Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
At 06:50 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: I never thought to go any further on my original answer, which might have given you some peace of mind on this. I have had one of those weeks, and my weekend was spent on my knees tearing my network apart and cleaning. (Yuck! I hate cleaning!) Maybe this will put it all into perspective for you, Femme... If you install a client, adapter and the TCP/IP protocol in any version of Windows 95 or newer, you technically the DHCP client already installed an available for use. Many Linux distros make it appear that simple upon installation. When you see that screen that asks you about how you want to configure your network card, there's usually a radio button or check box that you can click on to have the IP address automatically assigned (bootp or dhcp, depending on the distro and its age). Once you check off that you want to get your machine's IP automatically from an outside source, the distro installs the DHCP client from the CD. If you installed with static addressing in mind, and also asked for the ability to select what packages you want to install, you could purposely uncheck the anything to do with DHCP and therefore not have it on your system. I have no idea what Mandrake would do if you went into MCC and tried to configure the NIC for DHCP assigned IP addressing if the client wasn't on the system. Would it call for your CD to install? If it's on your system, it will just make it happen. The installation of the DHCP client in Linux is almost as automatic now as it is in Windows. Keep in mind that OEM installations of Windows have all the installation CABs on the hard drive, so every time you install a new feature or driver, it looks pretty much like it is doing it all for you. If you had the disk space and were so inclined, you could copy the contents of all your distro CDs onto the hard drive and then update the location in Package Manager. Not exactly as automatic, but a lot closer to being that way. Femme, if you installed telling Mandrake Linux that you wanted to see an assigned IP address to your NIC on boot-up, the DHCP client was installed then. Needing to statically address, or desiring to, just means something has been added to the system that needs to see some control, or lack of it. If it's just one box, statically addressing and doing the HOSTS stuff in no big deal. If you want some help, write me off-server. Glad to help you through, if you so desire. T Great. Now I feel like a total idiot. Heh, thx Slick :) Your explanation makes more sense...and I suppose I'm just a bit frustrated its not working the way I expect it to. Sigh. Sue me. I've used winsux too long? :P - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
At 06:56 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, you wrote: Femme, I took a look at your latest post to Spence just before sending off my response. I have been away from the list because of work, so my time here has been spotty, at best. You are right. If you asked for boot-up assigned IP addressing during the installation part of the O/S, it 'should' have installed the DHCP client. However, if you missed installing the client when you first installed MDK (maybe, because you were using dial-up then), you could need to install it manually. It would be the same with Windows, except as I mentioned in my precious post, that Windows would automatically go and grab it from your CAB files on your drive. I am sure that you already told us here before, but if I might indulge you further, could you tell me what the make and model is of your router? Maybe I can explain what to check for in your router and system set-up to make sure you covered all the should be done. It isn't difficult, but there are some things that must be set-up in the device if you want it to DHCP to your computer. Thanks! T ah Slick its fine... Its working with a static IP... For now, i'll leave it alone. It works why screw with it? I'll vent offlist if anything else comes to mind hows that? :P - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
At 06:10 PM 12/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: I should mention that I didn't install dhcpcd as an add-on stand alone install. I'm not sure which option I checked during the installation of Mandrake 9.0 that caused it to be installed but it was ready to go as soon as the OS installation finished. I think it probably was the Network Computer (client) option but I'm not sure. Also, I can't pretend to be an expert in this area and I'm happy to be corrected if proven wrong but I was under the impression that the name Linux primarily applies to the kernel and that pretty much __everything_else__ is GNU or some other 3rd party software. In this case, the Mandrake 9.0 distribution packages everything you need in order to use dynamic IP's from your DHCP server. Was it your contention that that functionality should be included in the kernel? Regards, Carl My contention was that I was frustrated as hell, have made an ass of myself am hereby shutting up Carl :P Heh to be more to the point, I guess I was wondering why the DHCP client isn't installed when I asked for DHCP services. I don't know it wasn't installed mind you either. But figuring it wasn't working seemed to point to something being uninstalled or amiss at the least. Anyway I'm leaving it alone... it works, so fook it. :) - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
On Saturday 14 Dec 2002 9:22 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: FWIW, I had installed 8.2 when we put a router in for the adsl. The changeover from shared connection to PPPoE was painless, and I have seen no problems that relate to the router issue. When I upgraded to 9.0 no problems emerged either. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems on my experience to be a non-issue. HTH Anne Thx Anne. However my experience has been... Odd. I went to install linux, everything went fine I chose DHCP connection as I had always in the past. The Router I use is acting as a DHCP Server after all, giving out addy's for our comps here. Fine... Install went OK, it couldn't update packages but I expected that. Rebooted into linux, it was fine. No internet. That was my first clue something was amiss. Fiddling with things with both the expert novice controls I found out that I had to disable DHCP/Bootp enable a static IP addy. WTH? Makes no sense, and I had to put in gateway DNS numbers (the routers IP sufficed here). Yet in Winsucks it works fine as a DHCP Server!? OK something is amiss... but what? Maybe that's why my setup went so easily? I do prefer static ips, and set up a table on the router. The one laptop that connects does use dynamic, but it's windowsme, so anything goes there. Perhaps Denis's idea is the answer to your problem. Sorry I can't help more Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
On Saturday 14 Dec 2002 11:21 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: Ok, sorry, like I said I was behind on the thread. What linux wants is the static IP of your computer the gateway address whether it is your gateway or the IPs gateway and the IPs DNS addresses. So if you set up your internal computer with a 192.168.0.x type address then you should point it at the IP address such as 68.96.13.xxx and give it the IPs primary and secondary DNS numbers. Not real clear but the best explanation I can give. If you have that kind of configuration then I am at a loss as to the problem. Perhaps it's worth giving us your configuration for the dhcp connection? We may be able to track the problem down from that. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
On Sunday 15 December 2002 03:50 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 14 Dec 2002 11:21 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: Ok, sorry, like I said I was behind on the thread. What linux wants is the static IP of your computer the gateway address whether it is your gateway or the IPs gateway and the IPs DNS addresses. So if you set up your internal computer with a 192.168.0.x type address then you should point it at the IP address such as 68.96.13.xxx and give it the IPs primary and secondary DNS numbers. Not real clear but the best explanation I can give. If you have that kind of configuration then I am at a loss as to the problem. Perhaps it's worth giving us your configuration for the dhcp connection? We may be able to track the problem down from that. Anne Here is etc/resolve.conf -- nameserver 68.13.16.30 nameserver 68.9.16.30 search om.cox.net Those are the DNS IPs from my service provider Cox Cable as you can see. My router/firewall has an internal LAN address of 192.168.0.6 but an external address given as static by the Service Provider of 68.96.17.xxx. So I set the gateway on my workstation as 192.168.0.6 and set for dhcp . The firewall/router then provides the passthrough the internet and the DHCP addresses. I do this with the MCC and don't know which config file the info might be in to show in an orderly manner. Somebody give me a hint, cause I am a gui kind of guy and the 10 zillion files are not real familiar to me. HTH Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
You know, I recently had this problem on my LM9 installation, and never managed to get my router working with it. You probably will, but I could not be buggered trying any more. It beat me like a dog! But this is something I feel Mandrake need to really address, as my Red Hat system configured automatically, be it with a dhcp setting on my router, or using a static address. Never phased it one bit. I have never needed to touch a setting in RH for the internet, and I think this is were mandrake need to be with their install as well. I am waiting and hoping their next release has this all sorted, as I notice a number of people having real difficulty with it, not just me. Greg On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 03:04, Dennis Myers wrote: On Sunday 15 December 2002 03:50 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 14 Dec 2002 11:21 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: Ok, sorry, like I said I was behind on the thread. What linux wants is the static IP of your computer the gateway address whether it is your gateway or the IPs gateway and the IPs DNS addresses. So if you set up your internal computer with a 192.168.0.x type address then you should point it at the IP address such as 68.96.13.xxx and give it the IPs primary and secondary DNS numbers. Not real clear but the best explanation I can give. If you have that kind of configuration then I am at a loss as to the problem. Perhaps it's worth giving us your configuration for the dhcp connection? We may be able to track the problem down from that. Anne Here is etc/resolve.conf -- nameserver 68.13.16.30 nameserver 68.9.16.30 search om.cox.net Those are the DNS IPs from my service provider Cox Cable as you can see. My router/firewall has an internal LAN address of 192.168.0.6 but an external address given as static by the Service Provider of 68.96.17.xxx. So I set the gateway on my workstation as 192.168.0.6 and set for dhcp . The firewall/router then provides the passthrough the internet and the DHCP addresses. I do this with the MCC and don't know which config file the info might be in to show in an orderly manner. Somebody give me a hint, cause I am a gui kind of guy and the 10 zillion files are not real familiar to me. HTH Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
At 11:12 PM 12/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: I know I'm coming into this thread a little late but I thought I'd throw my $.02 in anyway. I'm running 9.0 behind a Linksys router that's operating as a DHCP server and I'm not having any problems accessing the internet at all. But then, I also have dhcpcd version 1.3.22pl1-3mdk installed. The description from the rpm is as follows: dhcpcd is an implementation of the DHCP client specified in draft-ietf-dhc-dhcp-09 (when -r option is not speci- fied) and RFC1541 (when -r option is specified). It gets the host information (IP address, netmask, broad- cast address, etc.) from a DHCP server and configures the network interface of the machine on which it is running. It also tries to renew the lease time according to RFC1541 or draft-ietf-dhc-dhcp-09. From that description it seems clear that I need a DHCP client if I'm expecting to receive and use a dynamic IP from a DHCP server. Personally, I think you probably would too but it's up to you. ;-) Regards, Carl This is the part where I wonder why the hell I Need a DHCP Client in the first place!??? Linux was I thought meant to be a Network aware OS from the ground up? so.. wtf? Sigh ... sorry but the cynicism is slipping out. This is still one aspect of Linux I'm not impressed with. It was made to be network aware/workable from the get go, yet we still need to install 3rd party software to get basic functionality? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:14:09 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:12 PM 12/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: I know I'm coming into this thread a little late but I thought I'd throw my $.02 in anyway. I'm running 9.0 behind a Linksys router that's operating as a DHCP server and I'm not having any problems accessing the internet at all. But then, I also have dhcpcd version 1.3.22pl1-3mdk installed. The description from the rpm is as follows: dhcpcd is an implementation of the DHCP client specified in draft-ietf-dhc-dhcp-09 (when -r option is not speci- fied) and RFC1541 (when -r option is specified). It gets the host information (IP address, netmask, broad- cast address, etc.) from a DHCP server and configures the network interface of the machine on which it is running. It also tries to renew the lease time according to RFC1541 or draft-ietf-dhc-dhcp-09. From that description it seems clear that I need a DHCP client if I'm expecting to receive and use a dynamic IP from a DHCP server. Personally, I think you probably would too but it's up to you. ;-) Regards, Carl This is the part where I wonder why the hell I Need a DHCP Client in the first place!??? Linux was I thought meant to be a Network aware OS from the ground up? so.. wtf? Sigh ... sorry but the cynicism is slipping out. This is still one aspect of Linux I'm not impressed with. It was made to be network aware/workable from the get go, yet we still need to install 3rd party software to get basic functionality? Where you have a limited number of network aware devices ( such as other computers, printers, etc ), it is not necessary to have DHCP as a server OR as a client. All devices can be configured with static internal IP addresses such as 192.168.x.x. Where DHCP really shines is when you have laptops or other devices coming and going on your home network. In the case of laptops, it allows them to get a local IP for whatever network they are plugged into. There is no need for any third party software needed when configuring a ML router/firewall. Hope that helps;-) Spence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice (a freebie script I wrote for connection monitoring.)
I had a problem where my pppoe connection was lost two or three times a
day..
Since I use it to host works stuff. I needed it to be able to reconnect
itself..
so I wrote this script.. it needs a few perl modules installed.. but it
works great..
Its rough, but it works..
It goes and checks if it can access both google and yahoo and if it can't
get one.. (it doesn't need to be able to get both.)
it will restart the connection and email you to tell you it did..
copy everything from the start to the end lines.. and put it in a file.. put
it in /usr/bin or similiar.. and make it executable.. then put an entry in
contab like this:
-0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * /usr/sbin/monitor_connection /dev/null
That will run the script every ten minutes., and fix the connection if it
goes down..
I have another version that monitors a dialup connection on another box..
### START OF SCRIPT
#!/usr/bin/perl
use LWP::UserAgent;
use HTTP::Request::Common qw(GET);
use MIME::Lite;
my $url = 'http://www.yahoo.com';
my $url2 = 'http://www.google.com';
my @email_address = ('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');
my $SMTP_server = '127.0.0.1';
my $response = LWP::UserAgent-new(env_proxy = 1)-simple_request(GET
$url);
unless ($response-is_success)
sleep 15;
my $response2 = LWP::UserAgent-new(env_proxy = 1)-simple_request(GET
$url2);
Bunless ($response2-is_success)
{
our $date = get_date;
my $message_txt = ADSL connection was down and was restarted at
$date;
system('/usr/sbin/adsl-stop');
sleep 5;
system('/usr/bin/killall -9 adsl-connect');
system('/usr/bin/killall -9 pppd');
sleep 5;
system('/usr/sbin/adsl-start');
foreach my $mailer (@email_address)
{
mail_data('[EMAIL PROTECTED]',$mailer, ADSL WARNING!
$date, $message
}
}# end of unless2
} # end of unless1
#email and date subs follow.
sub mail_data
{
#usage: mail_data(mail from address,Mail to address,
subject, message_txt);
my $from_address = shift;
my $to_address = shift;
my $subject = shift;
my $message_txt = shift;
# Start the email body details.
my $email_msg = MIME::Lite-new(
From= $from_address,
To = $to_address,
#Cc = '[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]',
Subject = $subject,
Type='TEXT',
Data= $message_txt
);
$email_msg-send('smtp', $SMTP_server);
} # end of mail_data;
sub get_date
{
my ($sec,$min,$hour,$mday,$mon,$year,$wday,$yday,$isdst,$date);
my @days = ('Sunday','Monday','Tuesday','Wednesday','Thursday',
'Friday','Saturday');
my @months =
('January','February','March','April','May','June','July','August','Septembe
r','Oc
($sec,$min,$hour,$mday,$mon,$year,$wday,$yday,$isdst) = localtime(time);
if ($hour 10)
{
$hour = 0$hour;
}
if ($min 10)
{
$min = 0$min;
}
if ($sec 10)
{
$sec = 0$sec;
}
$year += 1900;
$date = $days[$wday], $months[$mon] $mday, $year at $hour\:$min\:$sec;
return $date;
}
exit(0);
END OF SCRIPT ###
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2002 9:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
On Friday 13 Dec 2002 10:18 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
All I'm asking is there any special things I need to know when installing
linux behind a router?
I bought one recently, works great with the windows installs... Took some
fiddling but its all good now.
So any special caveats, instructions, advice? warnings?
Thx
-
FemmeFatale
Good Decisions You boss Made:
We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
character from Peanuts.
- Source: Dilbert
FWIW, I had installed 8.2 when we put a router in for the adsl. The
changeover from shared connection to PPPoE was painless, and I have seen no
problems that relate to the router issue. When I upgraded to 9.0 no
problems
emerged either.
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems on my experience to be a
non-issue.
HTH
Anne
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
FWIW, I had installed 8.2 when we put a router in for the adsl. The changeover from shared connection to PPPoE was painless, and I have seen no problems that relate to the router issue. When I upgraded to 9.0 no problems emerged either. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems on my experience to be a non-issue. HTH Anne Thx Anne. However my experience has been... Odd. I went to install linux, everything went fine I chose DHCP connection as I had always in the past. The Router I use is acting as a DHCP Server after all, giving out addy's for our comps here. Fine... Install went OK, it couldn't update packages but I expected that. Rebooted into linux, it was fine. No internet. That was my first clue something was amiss. Fiddling with things with both the expert novice controls I found out that I had to disable DHCP/Bootp enable a static IP addy. WTH? Makes no sense, and I had to put in gateway DNS numbers (the routers IP sufficed here). Yet in Winsucks it works fine as a DHCP Server!? OK something is amiss... but what? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice (a freebie script I wrote for connection monitoring.)
At 02:39 AM 12/15/2002 +0800, you wrote: I had a problem where my pppoe connection was lost two or three times a day.. Since I use it to host works stuff. I needed it to be able to reconnect itself.. so I wrote this script.. it needs a few perl modules installed.. but it works great.. Its rough, but it works.. It goes and checks if it can access both google and yahoo and if it can't get one.. (it doesn't need to be able to get both.) it will restart the connection and email you to tell you it did.. copy everything from the start to the end lines.. and put it in a file.. put it in /usr/bin or similiar.. and make it executable.. then put an entry in contab like this: -0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * /usr/sbin/monitor_connection /dev/null That will run the script every ten minutes., and fix the connection if it goes down.. I have another version that monitors a dialup connection on another box.. snip out (ir)relevant scripting :) Thx Frank. If I need it I'll use it. :) You don't say which Perl libs though? Care to enlighten us? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
On Saturday 14 December 2002 03:22 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: FWIW, I had installed 8.2 when we put a router in for the adsl. The changeover from shared connection to PPPoE was painless, and I have seen no problems that relate to the router issue. When I upgraded to 9.0 no problems emerged either. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems on my experience to be a non-issue. HTH Anne Thx Anne. However my experience has been... Odd. I went to install linux, everything went fine I chose DHCP connection as I had always in the past. The Router I use is acting as a DHCP Server after all, giving out addy's for our comps here. Fine... Install went OK, it couldn't update packages but I expected that. Rebooted into linux, it was fine. No internet. That was my first clue something was amiss. Fiddling with things with both the expert novice controls I found out that I had to disable DHCP/Bootp enable a static IP addy. WTH? Makes no sense, and I had to put in gateway DNS numbers (the routers IP sufficed here). Yet in Winsucks it works fine as a DHCP Server!? OK something is amiss... but what? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Sorry, I have lost track of this thread, but do you have both the DHCP server and client installed on your machine? Not sure but think you need both. (Oh, I get so confused, he,he.) Mostly it is somehymers. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice (a freebie script I wrote for connection monitoring.)
sure, This written at the top of the script.. sorry, should have been more precise... use LWP::UserAgent; use HTTP::Request::Common qw(GET); use MIME::Lite; so just go to seach.cpan.org and use the search facility to find: LWP::UserAgent MIME::Lite HTTP::Request the download links will be on the search results.. Though there are probably mandrake RPM's for this on the disks or contribs... MIME::Lite is for sending the email and LWP::UserAgent and HTTP::Request are for getting the google/yahoo request... Thats all you need.. I use variations of this script for monitoring our work servers and telling me when they are down as well. very handy.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FemmeFatale Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2002 5:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice (a freebie script I wrote for connection monitoring.) At 02:39 AM 12/15/2002 +0800, you wrote: I had a problem where my pppoe connection was lost two or three times a day.. Since I use it to host works stuff. I needed it to be able to reconnect itself.. so I wrote this script.. it needs a few perl modules installed.. but it works great.. Its rough, but it works.. It goes and checks if it can access both google and yahoo and if it can't get one.. (it doesn't need to be able to get both.) it will restart the connection and email you to tell you it did.. copy everything from the start to the end lines.. and put it in a file.. put it in /usr/bin or similiar.. and make it executable.. then put an entry in contab like this: -0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * /usr/sbin/monitor_connection /dev/null That will run the script every ten minutes., and fix the connection if it goes down.. I have another version that monitors a dialup connection on another box.. snip out (ir)relevant scripting :) Thx Frank. If I need it I'll use it. :) You don't say which Perl libs though? Care to enlighten us? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
At 03:33 PM 12/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: Thx Anne. However my experience has been... Odd. I went to install linux, everything went fine I chose DHCP connection as I had always in the past. The Router I use is acting as a DHCP Server after all, giving out addy's for our comps here. Fine... Install went OK, it couldn't update packages but I expected that. Rebooted into linux, it was fine. No internet. That was my first clue something was amiss. Fiddling with things with both the expert novice controls I found out that I had to disable DHCP/Bootp enable a static IP addy. WTH? Makes no sense, and I had to put in gateway DNS numbers (the routers IP sufficed here). Yet in Winsucks it works fine as a DHCP Server!? OK something is amiss... but what? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Sorry, I have lost track of this thread, but do you have both the DHCP server and client installed on your machine? Not sure but think you need both. (Oh, I get so confused, he,he.) Mostly it is somehymers. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Sweety: I've never needed a DHCP CLient before... why the hell would I need one now? The router itself acts as the DHCP server so it serves up address like: 192.168.1.100 or ... 1.101, etc... What I don't understand is why in winsux, it operates correctly as that DHCP server, yet Linux demands a static address from me, gateway DNS numbers...? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
Femme, For the longest time, I was letting my Lynksys router/firewall/gateway do the DHCP for my mixed O/S network. During that time, my NT 4.0 Server was acting as a Primary Domain Control (PDC) and a secured resource center file sharing between my business and family needs. I had no problems with this set-up, letting my MDK 8.2, 9.0 and RH systems acting as DHCP clients. All that was necessary was to make sure that my router/firewall.gateway was set up correctly to assign addresses as I wanted them to be. Once I set-up the RH 8.0 file sharing server (I had already removed the NT server from the network long before), I had some issues with this set-up using Samba. Instead of playing to much with this, I just went to static addressing all around, making sure that my HOSTS and LMHOSTS files were proper and synchronized. It's been this way since and I have had no problems or complaints to share. With my own network, being down is really difficult for me to accept. Sometimes, it causes me to take the shortest means to my goal and I lose the chance to learn how to get what I want done my way. Sorry, I can't give you any ideas at to why the static addressing was the way that worked for me. However, you can mix and match. Keep the router DHCP server, Windows boxes as clients and make the Linux boxes static. You will need to set-up HOSTS/LMHOSTS files on every machine for the static addressed machines to be seeable by the DHCP clients by their netbios name, and you will need to make sure you set-up the router as your gateway for the Linux machines and your ISP DNS server(s) for DNS. HOSTS and LMHOSTS files only need to be created once and then copied to all machines as needed, so this isn't as messy as it sounds for a small network. Does this help any? T - Original Message - From: FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice FWIW, I had installed 8.2 when we put a router in for the adsl. The changeover from shared connection to PPPoE was painless, and I have seen no problems that relate to the router issue. When I upgraded to 9.0 no problems emerged either. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems on my experience to be a non-issue. HTH Anne Thx Anne. However my experience has been... Odd. I went to install linux, everything went fine I chose DHCP connection as I had always in the past. The Router I use is acting as a DHCP Server after all, giving out addy's for our comps here. Fine... Install went OK, it couldn't update packages but I expected that. Rebooted into linux, it was fine. No internet. That was my first clue something was amiss. Fiddling with things with both the expert novice controls I found out that I had to disable DHCP/Bootp enable a static IP addy. WTH? Makes no sense, and I had to put in gateway DNS numbers (the routers IP sufficed here). Yet in Winsucks it works fine as a DHCP Server!? OK something is amiss... but what? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
At 05:46 PM 12/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: Femme, For the longest time, I was letting my Lynksys router/firewall/gateway do the DHCP for my mixed O/S network. During that time, my NT 4.0 Server was acting as a Primary Domain Control (PDC) and a secured resource center file sharing between my business and family needs. I had no problems with this set-up, letting my MDK 8.2, 9.0 and RH systems acting as DHCP clients. All that was necessary was to make sure that my router/firewall.gateway was set up correctly to assign addresses as I wanted them to be. Once I set-up the RH 8.0 file sharing server (I had already removed the NT server from the network long before), I had some issues with this set-up using Samba. Instead of playing to much with this, I just went to static addressing all around, making sure that my HOSTS and LMHOSTS files were proper and synchronized. It's been this way since and I have had no problems or complaints to share. With my own network, being down is really difficult for me to accept. Sometimes, it causes me to take the shortest means to my goal and I lose the chance to learn how to get what I want done my way. Sorry, I can't give you any ideas at to why the static addressing was the way that worked for me. However, you can mix and match. Keep the router DHCP server, Windows boxes as clients and make the Linux boxes static. You will need to set-up HOSTS/LMHOSTS files on every machine for the static addressed machines to be seeable by the DHCP clients by their netbios name, and you will need to make sure you set-up the router as your gateway for the Linux machines and your ISP DNS server(s) for DNS. HOSTS and LMHOSTS files only need to be created once and then copied to all machines as needed, so this isn't as messy as it sounds for a small network. Does this help any? T Well honestly theres just me using linux. Its a dualboot machine. Yes I see what you're getting at Slick, and I'm not sure it would be overkill to follow your advice. Using a static address for now works so I'll see what happens If/when I find another answer as to why this is the way it is, I shall post it. Ty for the reply, quite an interesting way to do things. - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
On Saturday 14 December 2002 04:40 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: At 03:33 PM 12/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: Thx Anne. However my experience has been... Odd. I went to install linux, everything went fine I chose DHCP connection as I had always in the past. The Router I use is acting as a DHCP Server after all, giving out addy's for our comps here. Fine... Install went OK, it couldn't update packages but I expected that. Rebooted into linux, it was fine. No internet. That was my first clue something was amiss. Fiddling with things with both the expert novice controls I found out that I had to disable DHCP/Bootp enable a static IP addy. WTH? Makes no sense, and I had to put in gateway DNS numbers (the routers IP sufficed here). Yet in Winsucks it works fine as a DHCP Server!? OK something is amiss... but what? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Sorry, I have lost track of this thread, but do you have both the DHCP server and client installed on your machine? Not sure but think you need both. (Oh, I get so confused, he,he.) Mostly it is somehymers. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Sweety: I've never needed a DHCP CLient before... why the hell would I need one now? The router itself acts as the DHCP server so it serves up address like: 192.168.1.100 or ... 1.101, etc... What I don't understand is why in winsux, it operates correctly as that DHCP server, yet Linux demands a static address from me, gateway DNS numbers...? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Ok, sorry, like I said I was behind on the thread. What linux wants is the static IP of your computer the gateway address whether it is your gateway or the IPs gateway and the IPs DNS addresses. So if you set up your internal computer with a 192.168.0.x type address then you should point it at the IP address such as 68.96.13.xxx and give it the IPs primary and secondary DNS numbers. Not real clear but the best explanation I can give. If you have that kind of configuration then I am at a loss as to the problem. -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
I know I'm coming into this thread a little late but I thought I'd throw my $.02 in anyway. I'm running 9.0 behind a Linksys router that's operating as a DHCP server and I'm not having any problems accessing the internet at all. But then, I also have dhcpcd version 1.3.22pl1-3mdk installed. The description from the rpm is as follows: dhcpcd is an implementation of the DHCP client specified in draft-ietf-dhc-dhcp-09 (when -r option is not speci- fied) and RFC1541 (when -r option is specified). It gets the host information (IP address, netmask, broad- cast address, etc.) from a DHCP server and configures the network interface of the machine on which it is running. It also tries to renew the lease time according to RFC1541 or draft-ietf-dhc-dhcp-09. From that description it seems clear that I need a DHCP client if I'm expecting to receive and use a dynamic IP from a DHCP server. Personally, I think you probably would too but it's up to you. ;-) Regards, Carl FemmeFatale wrote: I've never needed a DHCP CLient before... why the hell would I need one now? The router itself acts as the DHCP server so it serves up address like: 192.168.1.100 or ... 1.101, etc... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
All I'm asking is there any special things I need to know when installing linux behind a router? I bought one recently, works great with the windows installs... Took some fiddling but its all good now. So any special caveats, instructions, advice? warnings? Thx - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:18:11 -0700, you wrote: All I'm asking is there any special things I need to know when installing linux behind a router? I bought one recently, works great with the windows installs... Took some fiddling but its all good now. So any special caveats, instructions, advice? warnings? Mandrake-linux, for me, is actually easier to get going when behind a router. I don't think you should have any problems. Thx - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert peace, Rog The very purpose of existence is to reconcile the glowing opinion we have of ourselves with the appalling things that other people think about us. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux installation Router Advice
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 09:18, FemmeFatale wrote: All I'm asking is there any special things I need to know when installing linux behind a router? I bought one recently, works great with the windows installs... Took some fiddling but its all good now. So any special caveats, instructions, advice? warnings? Thx - FemmeFatale Shouldn't be...unless you're accessing your linbox from the outside world... -- Sat Dec 14 10:15:01 EST 2002 10:15am up 3 days, 2:37, 5 users, load average: 1.79, 0.67, 0.39 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn What happened last night can happen again. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
