Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 15:40, frankieh wrote: Stephen, you are in Sydney aren't you??? Sydney is probably the most covered broadband city in Australia, why can't you get ADSL or Cable? Incidently, you also have wireless broadband options now with iBurst going online in Sydney as well... So whats the word? why have you not made the leap to broadband? (I'm in Perth, the ass end of australia and even I have ADSL... ) ILLAWARRA. Check your geography, Mr. Perth. The Illawarra is south of Sydney. Wollongong, Lake Illawarra and etc. On top of that, this entire area is a Telstra nightmare; two different sets of hardware, and several different types of fsck-ups that Telstra has been trying to hide from the public for more than twenty years. No joke. Telstra might tell someone they can have ADSL, but in reality, only about 40% of the folks they tell CAN have it CAN have it. No joke. It's something of a thorn in Telstra's side and it's been made public before but Telstra (and affiliates) do everything they can to hush it up (which they do quite a good job of)(and I'm sure you've dealt with Telstra before as they own all the hardware) Secondly, when I was marred, er, married, we lived in two different places that were completely ADSL unaccessible. No other forms were available either. BUT, now that Tina and I live at the entrance to Lake Illawarra in Windang, we're literally right next to the exchange junction and it's only a matter of her and I getting the money together to get it going. I already own an ADSL/modem/router (with firewall) so we're going to end up with 512/256 unlimited (yes, truly unlimited) service through Telpacific for $80 AUD per month (no caps, nothing - check their website)(oh, and I get a discount because of my tenure with them and due to the fact that I've worked on their dial-up exchange many times before as I'm the only one south of Chatswood that can be there in less than 15 minutes)(Ha!) But overall, Tina and I are saving our pennies to take a trip to SA for a Teddy Bear seminar at the end of June - and to have a complete servicing on the vehicle (a Ford Laser xsi w/1.8l engine) which is going to cost the better part of a thousand bucks... So, in about two months time, we'll be happily surfing at high speed - and it's nice that she at least understands the importance of high speed - the ex-wife certainly didn't (although she's whinging about it nowadays! Ha!) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Repartee is something we think of twenty-four hours too late. -- Mark Twain Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 15:44, frankieh wrote: So your saying the problem is money??? No - money isn't the problem - it's bills and other costs and other things we're saving up for that are even more important (car servicing, taking a trip to SA...etc...) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- QOTD: I drive my car quietly, for it goes without saying. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:14:18 -0400 lake-wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's very good advice, but for those that don't have the spare cash in their budget to join the club, you can download the i586 directory tree, create Why not get the CE ISO's as many have done, and then urpmi them up to final update status? -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
David E. Fox wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:14:18 -0400 lake-wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's very good advice, but for those that don't have the spare cash in their budget to join the club, you can download the i586 directory tree, create Why not get the CE ISO's as many have done, and then urpmi them up to final update status? I did that on my office machine, which has an ethernet connection, but I wouldn't want to try that at home with a modem connection! Sir Robin -- Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person. - Albert Camus Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 06:45, robin wrote: David E. Fox wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:14:18 -0400 lake-wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's very good advice, but for those that don't have the spare cash in their budget to join the club, you can download the i586 directory tree, create Why not get the CE ISO's as many have done, and then urpmi them up to final update status? I did that on my office machine, which has an ethernet connection, but I wouldn't want to try that at home with a modem connection! Sir Robin soapbox That is becoming something of an issue with me personally. Everyone else appears to be of the mindset that everyone else has a broadband connection and that they can happily urpmi everything to do this that and the other thing - which is not entirely true. Doing large scale updates is entirely out of the question for me unless I can do an upgrade or complete install from already created CD's. Really does tend to raise my ire. Aside from that, after many weeks of watching the MDK 10 issues and quirks, I'm resolved to sit and wait (as I always do) for a non whole number version. Every distro, every version that has been of a whole number has been, in my eyes, a testing ground and the .1 or .2 version has been the better bet. I've tested 10CE - played around with it enough to see that it's not going to be anything I can upgrade to or anything that I can install on my working box without heaps of headache, heaps of hacking, and heaps of change. And I'm certainly NOT going to get rid of my trusty linmodem just to get by. Mind you, I'd really like to have MDK 10+, but I fear it's going to be some time off - same as I waited for MDK 9.1 - which after I HAD waited, it was worth the wait in the end. I'm not trying to deter anyone from anything - I'm venting here. But bear in mind I'm also stating something that most of y'all oldies will already know. I'm also just mad as a wet hen that everyone seems to think that most of the world is capable of having broadband...ahem. /soapbox stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- You're growing out of some of your problems, but there are others that you're growing into. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 23:56, Stephen Kuhn wrote: soapbox That is becoming something of an issue with me personally. Everyone else appears to be of the mindset that everyone else has a broadband connection and that they can happily urpmi everything to do this that and the other thing - which is not entirely true. Doing large scale updates is entirely out of the question for me unless I can do an upgrade or complete install from already created CD's. Really does tend to raise my ire. Aside from that, after many weeks of watching the MDK 10 issues and quirks, I'm resolved to sit and wait (as I always do) for a non whole number version. Every distro, every version that has been of a whole number has been, in my eyes, a testing ground and the .1 or .2 version has been the better bet. I've tested 10CE - played around with it enough to see that it's not going to be anything I can upgrade to or anything that I can install on my working box without heaps of headache, heaps of hacking, and heaps of change. And I'm certainly NOT going to get rid of my trusty linmodem just to get by. Mind you, I'd really like to have MDK 10+, but I fear it's going to be some time off - same as I waited for MDK 9.1 - which after I HAD waited, it was worth the wait in the end. I'm not trying to deter anyone from anything - I'm venting here. But bear in mind I'm also stating something that most of y'all oldies will already know. I'm also just mad as a wet hen that everyone seems to think that most of the world is capable of having broadband...ahem. /soapbox stephen kuhn - owner Makes sense to me - the old saying 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' certainly applies. Another advantage of Linux over another operating system. BTW, moved here to Cyprus 2 years ago do have broadband (after a fashion - have to log on via an Active-X page), still can't get it where I used to live the the much more technologically advanced UK. -- Paul M. _ In the beginning, man created god. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 07:08, PM wrote: Makes sense to me - the old saying 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' certainly applies. Another advantage of Linux over another operating system. BTW, moved here to Cyprus 2 years ago do have broadband (after a fashion - have to log on via an Active-X page), still can't get it where I used to live the the much more technologically advanced UK. Technologically Advanced UK is an oxymoron. Now Turkey, OTOH... (And actually, Australia is rather amazing in most areas - we have wireless, ADSL, cable - just a matter of saving up the right amount of dollars to get my unlimited - yes - unlimited 512/256 connection going - along with a modem/router/vpn router) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. War is peace. -- George Orwell Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 00:17, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 07:08, PM wrote: Makes sense to me - the old saying 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' certainly applies. Another advantage of Linux over another operating system. BTW, moved here to Cyprus 2 years ago do have broadband (after a fashion - have to log on via an Active-X page), still can't get it where I used to live the the much more technologically advanced UK. Technologically Advanced UK is an oxymoron. Now Turkey, OTOH... (And actually, Australia is rather amazing in most areas - we have wireless, ADSL, cable - just a matter of saving up the right amount of dollars to get my unlimited - yes - unlimited 512/256 connection going - along with a modem/router/vpn router) stephen kuhn - owner Sorry, I should have put some kind of sarcastic warning about Technologically Advanced UK, forgot We're a multi-national group. -- Linux number 312953 June 1995 http://counter.li.org. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 07:48, PM wrote: Sorry, I should have put some kind of sarcastic warning about Technologically Advanced UK, forgot We're a multi-national group. That's alright - having lived DownUnder for the past four years, I've become quite adept at understanding any reference to technology and Britain is meant sarcastically. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Picking up the pieces of my sweet shattered dream, I wonder how the old folks are tonight, Her name was Ann, and I'll be damned if I recall her face, She left me not knowing what to do. Carefree Highway, let me slip away on you, Carefree Highway, you seen better days, The morning after blues, from my head down to my shoes, Carefree Highway, let me slip away, slip away, on you... Turning back the pages to the times I love best, I wonder if she'll ever do the same, Now the thing that I call livin' is just bein' satisfied, With knowing I got noone left to blame. Carefree Highway, I got to see you, my old flame... Searching through the fragments of my dream shattered sleep, I wonder if the years have closed her mind, I guess it must be wanderlust or tryin' to get free, From the good old faithful feelin' we once knew. -- Gordon Lightfoot, Carefree Highway Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Sunday 23 May 2004 04:56 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: snip soapbox That is becoming something of an issue with me personally. Everyone else appears to be of the mindset that everyone else has a broadband connection and that they can happily urpmi everything to do this that and the other thing - which is not entirely true. Doing large scale updates is entirely out of the question for me unless I can do an upgrade or complete install from already created CD's. Really does tend to raise my ire. Excellent point. One way around the dilemma that works here is to order update CD's from Cheapbytes. (Quick, efficient, up-to-date and inexpensive.) Is there anything like their service available in Australia? Aside from that, after many weeks of watching the MDK 10 issues and quirks, I'm resolved to sit and wait (as I always do) for a non whole number version. Every distro, every version that has been of a whole number has been, in my eyes, a testing ground and the .1 or .2 version has been the better bet. My experience is somewhat different than yours. The only version that never did work right for me was 7.2 (in retrospect, those problems were likely due to my own shortcomings compounded by the limitations of the hardware I had at the time). 9.2 wasn't any bargain, either -- lots and lots of updates were required. Luckily, a kind soul on the list took pity on me and mailed me an update CD -- even more current than the cheapbytes version. Even a slow CDROM is faster than any broadband connection. I've tested 10CE - played around with it enough to see that it's not going to be anything I can upgrade to or anything that I can install on my working box without heaps of headache, heaps of hacking, and heaps of change. And I'm certainly NOT going to get rid of my trusty linmodem just to get by. Ain't no such thing as a trusty winmodem. Too much fiddling about, and too dependent on driver support. External serial modems don't need no stinking drivers. Elsewhere on this list there is a message from some guy who has found out not only that his particular trusty winmodem is not supported in the 2.6 kernels, but there is no plan to create such support. Some folks might consider that to be one hell of a learning opportunity. I don't. Yeah, he could run 10.0 with a 2.4 kernel, but isn't the new kernel the main point of 10.0? Mind you, I'd really like to have MDK 10+, but I fear it's going to be some time off - same as I waited for MDK 9.1 - which after I HAD waited, it was worth the wait in the end. I'm not trying to deter anyone from anything - I'm venting here. But bear in mind I'm also stating something that most of y'all oldies will already know. I'm also just mad as a wet hen that everyone seems to think that most of the world is capable of having broadband...ahem. /soapbox stephen kuhn - owner Thanks for the use of your soapbox. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
On Friday 14 May 2004 12:08 am, Marc Lijour wrote: Le May 12, 2004 05:08 pm, Paul Smith a écrit : Dear All Does somebody here know when it is planned to have the iso CDs of MDK 10 Official for free download? Many thanks, Paul Get them at the club ;-) That's very good advice, but for those that don't have the spare cash in their budget to join the club, you can download the i586 directory tree, create your own ISO's and burn installation cd's from the ISO's. I posted this link in a previous message. Check out this thread posted at linuxquestions.org. I think you will find what you are looking for. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=926547#post926547 -- Registered Linux User: 271967 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
lake-wind wrote: On Friday 14 May 2004 12:08 am, Marc Lijour wrote: Does somebody here know when it is planned to have the iso CDs of MDK 10 Official for free download? Get them at the club ;-) That's very good advice, but for those that don't have the spare cash in their budget to join the club, you can download the i586 directory tree, create your own ISO's and burn installation cd's from the ISO's. I posted this link in a previous message. Check out this thread posted at linuxquestions.org. I think you will find what you are looking for. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?postid=926547#post926547 Thanks, Marc and Lake-wind! I am patient and I can wait for MDK 10.0 Official. Moreover, I am very satisfied with MDK 9.2. I installed MDK 10 CE, but I experienced some problems with my machine's sound (I could not listen to MP3 files, for instance) and I have come back to MDK 9.2. The only problem with MDK 9.2 is that drakewizard deceives the time settings of my computer and the e-mails sent to me display a time with one hour behind... Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
Le May 12, 2004 05:08 pm, Paul Smith a écrit : Dear All Does somebody here know when it is planned to have the iso CDs of MDK 10 Official for free download? Many thanks, Paul Get them at the club ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] MDK 10 Official, when?
Dear All Does somebody here know when it is planned to have the iso CDs of MDK 10 Official for free download? Many thanks, Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
