[newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
Hi folks, my first experience with linux isnt going very well... Installing Mandrake from CD-ROM - it detects all my hardware ok (apart from my usb Epson C42 printer but let's worry about that later) including my Geforce4 card and here's the problem. Hitting the test button on the graphics card selection screen at any resolution or colour depth just gives me a black screen I continued with the installation anyway and after another hour or so it booted fine - hit the return key to run linux and it does all the xx [OK] lines until it gets to xinextd. at which point I get a black screen. I'm thinking maybe its actually loaded the gui at this point but I can't see it cos of the above problem Any ideas folks? BTW plug and play aware OS is SWITCHED OFF in my BIOS at the moment but Windoze XP explicitly says it should be and I am running (well hopefully) a dual boot system - plug and play aware os is important in linux right?? Thanks in advance - please nothing too technical cos I am a complete noob - please let me know if I can provide further info to help diagnose this Cheers Petey Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 16:31, Pete Stean wrote: Hi folks, my first experience with linux isnt going very well... Installing Mandrake from CD-ROM - it detects all my hardware ok (apart from my usb Epson C42 printer but let's worry about that later) including my Geforce4 card and here's the problem. Hitting the test button on the graphics card selection screen at any resolution or colour depth just gives me a black screen Ok - then there's definitely a prob...can you just choose a GF2 generic driver during the installation and get IT to at least show a test XWindows desktop? If so, then I'd highly recommend using that until you can actually get logged in and download the current NVidia driver for linux... The new machines I sell all have NVidia cards in 'em - what I do to bypass the BS during the installation (both with MDK and with RH) is to choose the generic driver and a generic resolution I can live with (generally it's 1280x1024 at 24-bit) - then once the system actually comes up nicely, I then install the proper NVidia driver and tweak the monitor res for the particular customer... HTH mate... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- They wouldn't listen to the fact that I was a genius, The man said We got all that we can use, So I've got those steadily-depressin', low-down, mind-messin', Working-at-the-car-wash blues. -- Jim Croce Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 19:05, Pete Stean wrote: Thanks for the advice - that doesn't work though unfortunately - none of the geforce drivers give me anything other than a blank screen on test.. :-( Petey Dot not goot. Zumptink ist wong. You should at least see SOMETHING - anything - even wavering lines; have you tried different monitor settings? Cuz even if it ain't the right driver, it should TELL you it can't display the test or similar...are you using generic plug'n'play monitor settings - or did MDK find the correct (supposedly correct) monitor? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Americans are people who insist on living in the present, tense. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 7:31 am, Pete Stean wrote: Hi folks, my first experience with linux isnt going very well... Installing Mandrake from CD-ROM - it detects all my hardware ok (apart from my usb Epson C42 printer but let's worry about that later) including my Geforce4 card and here's the problem. Hitting the test button on the graphics card selection screen at any resolution or colour depth just gives me a black screen I continued with the installation anyway and after another hour or so it booted fine - hit the return key to run linux and it does all the xx [OK] lines until it gets to xinextd. at which point I get a black screen. I'm thinking maybe its actually loaded the gui at this point but I can't see it cos of the above problem Any ideas folks? BTW plug and play aware OS is SWITCHED OFF in my BIOS at the moment but Windoze XP explicitly says it should be and I am running (well hopefully) a dual boot system - plug and play aware os is important in linux right?? Thanks in advance - please nothing too technical cos I am a complete noob - please let me know if I can provide further info to help diagnose this Cheers Peter Is your video card dual head? If so the GUI may be appearing on the 'other' output. You might also try Ctrl+Alt+F1 to see if you get a text based console ( Ctl + Alt +F7 puts you back to the GUI ) derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
Selected the 1024x768 generic flatpanel - and I have a DVI and analog in on the monitor and DVI and analog out on the card. I only have the DVI cable connected (why bother with analog) - could it be as simple as trying to install with the analog cable connected instead?? :-| this will be my third attempt at installing the o/s - we all love to hate MS but I'm beginning to see why people don't venture out into the wild unknown of linux phew! Derek Jennings wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 7:31 am, Pete Stean wrote: Hi folks, my first experience with linux isnt going very well... Installing Mandrake from CD-ROM - it detects all my hardware ok (apart from my usb Epson C42 printer but let's worry about that later) including my Geforce4 card and here's the problem. Hitting the test button on the graphics card selection screen at any resolution or colour depth just gives me a black screen I continued with the installation anyway and after another hour or so it booted fine - hit the return key to run linux and it does all the xx [OK] lines until it gets to xinextd. at which point I get a black screen. I'm thinking maybe its actually loaded the gui at this point but I can't see it cos of the above problem Any ideas folks? BTW plug and play aware OS is SWITCHED OFF in my BIOS at the moment but Windoze XP explicitly says it should be and I am running (well hopefully) a dual boot system - plug and play aware os is important in linux right?? Thanks in advance - please nothing too technical cos I am a complete noob - please let me know if I can provide further info to help diagnose this Cheers Peter Is your video card dual head? If so the GUI may be appearing on the 'other' output. You might also try Ctrl+Alt+F1 to see if you get a text based console ( Ctl + Alt +F7 puts you back to the GUI ) derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:07:32 +0100 Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: this will be my third attempt at installing the o/s - we all love to hate MS but I'm beginning to see why people don't venture out into the wild unknown of linux phew! Well, talk to Tom Brinkman about that. Not to excuse the lag in hardware support in Linux, but there is a very good reason. When a hardware vendor comes out with a new product, in your case I believe the display is the prob, not the Nvidia, they are lined up at MS's door to get software support, while Linux hackers have to beg and plead and hack and reverse engineer support for the latest and greatest. My point is, considering the way Linux is deliberately and egregiously shut out of the hardware advancement train with closed-source drivers and the like, it's a miracle that Linux developers are able to even keep up. These people are to be lauded and praised for their continues efforts, in many if not most cases for *free*. You don't choose Linux, as I think you implied, for the whiz-bang multimedia support, though it is fairly good for that too, you choose it because it is an alternative to the insecurity, instability, and wickedly bloodthirsty licensing and upgrade paths of MS OS's. Am I getting this right Tom? Tom? Wake up Tom! Don't worry, the peeps on this list are crazy but endlessly helpful. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. -- William Allen White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 07:07, Pete Stean wrote: Selected the 1024x768 generic flatpanel - and I have a DVI and analog in on the monitor and DVI and analog out on the card. I only have the DVI cable connected (why bother with analog) - could it be as simple as trying to install with the analog cable connected instead?? yes :-| this will be my third attempt at installing the o/s - we all love to hate MS but I'm beginning to see why people don't venture out into the wild unknown of linux phew! Derek Jennings wrote: On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 7:31 am, Pete Stean wrote: Hi folks, my first experience with linux isnt going very well... Installing Mandrake from CD-ROM - it detects all my hardware ok (apart from my usb Epson C42 printer but let's worry about that later) including my Geforce4 card and here's the problem. Hitting the test button on the graphics card selection screen at any resolution or colour depth just gives me a black screen I continued with the installation anyway and after another hour or so it booted fine - hit the return key to run linux and it does all the xx [OK] lines until it gets to xinextd. at which point I get a black screen. I'm thinking maybe its actually loaded the gui at this point but I can't see it cos of the above problem Any ideas folks? BTW plug and play aware OS is SWITCHED OFF in my BIOS at the moment but Windoze XP explicitly says it should be and I am running (well hopefully) a dual boot system - plug and play aware os is important in linux right?? Thanks in advance - please nothing too technical cos I am a complete noob - please let me know if I can provide further info to help diagnose this Cheers Peter Is your video card dual head? If so the GUI may be appearing on the 'other' output. You might also try Ctrl+Alt+F1 to see if you get a text based console ( Ctl + Alt +F7 puts you back to the GUI ) derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 07:32, HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:07:32 +0100 Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: this will be my third attempt at installing the o/s - we all love to hate MS but I'm beginning to see why people don't venture out into the wild unknown of linux phew! Well, talk to Tom Brinkman about that. Not to excuse the lag in hardware support in Linux, but there is a very good reason. When a hardware vendor comes out with a new product, in your case I believe the display is the prob, not the Nvidia, they are lined up at MS's door to get software support, while Linux hackers have to beg and plead and hack and reverse engineer support for the latest and greatest. My point is, considering the way Linux is deliberately and egregiously shut out of the hardware advancement train with closed-source drivers and the like, it's a miracle that Linux developers are able to even keep up. These people are to be lauded and praised for their continues efforts, in many if not most cases for *free*. You don't choose Linux, as I think you implied, for the whiz-bang multimedia support, gee,, George Lucas, and Industrial Light and Magic choose Linux. AMD and NVidia just for that. the August Linux Journal has a great writeup about the Rackspace built linux powered ILM 'deathstar' render-farm. some 1500 AMD athlon 1600, on 750 MoBos, each with 2 gigs ram. ahhh to dream of such power... just wait a few years (like 20),, I swear I will have that much power. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On 06 Sep 2003 08:25:37 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: gee,, George Lucas, and Industrial Light and Magic choose Linux. AMD and NVidia just for that. the August Linux Journal has a great writeup about the Rackspace built linux powered ILM 'deathstar' render-farm. some 1500 AMD athlon 1600, on 750 MoBos, each with 2 gigs ram. ahhh to dream of such power... just wait a few years (like 20),, I swear I will have that much power. that's comparing apples and oranges. they are using Linux for the raw power, not too support an advanced flat panel display. there's a difference between computing power and hardware support, no? I betcha they still use Mac's at the end-user level, the Linux rendering farms are just for nuclear-powered computing at the level of drawing huge amounts of polygons in a short time (and without crashing, LOL!). -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. -- Gandhi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 05:23, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 19:05, Pete Stean wrote: Thanks for the advice - that doesn't work though unfortunately - none of the geforce drivers give me anything other than a blank screen on test.. :-( Petey Dot not goot. Zumptink ist wong. You should at least see SOMETHING - anything - even wavering lines; have you tried different monitor settings? Cuz even if it ain't the right driver, it should TELL you it can't display the test or similar...are you using generic plug'n'play monitor settings - or did MDK find the correct (supposedly correct) monitor? stephen kuhn - owner he figured it out I think, it is a dual head card, and only the analog head is active until twinview or Xfree sets up the DVI head Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 2:06 pm, Pete Stean wrote: Thanks folks - a simple problem by the looks of it but I couldn't see the wood for the trees - here's hoping they're all that easy - now to find out if anyone has ever managed to get an MS Trackball Optical to work !! Thanks again Petey. A grateful noob! If you are interested it will be possible to use the DVI cable with a little editing of the X11 Config file. But maybe you should get to know the system a bit first :-) derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Saturday September 6 2003 06:32 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:07:32 +0100 Pete Stean [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: this will be my third attempt at installing the o/s - we all love to hate MS but I'm beginning to see why people don't venture out into the wild unknown of linux phew! Well, talk to Tom Brinkman about that. Not to excuse the lag in hardware support in Linux, but there is a very good reason. When a hardware vendor comes out with a new product, in your case I believe the display is the prob, not the Nvidia, they are lined up at MS's door to get software support, while Linux hackers have to beg and plead and hack and reverse engineer support for the latest and greatest. My point is, considering the way Linux is deliberately and egregiously shut out of the hardware advancement train with closed-source drivers and the like, it's a miracle that Linux developers are able to even keep up. These people are to be lauded and praised for their continues efforts, in many if not most cases for *free*. You don't choose Linux, as I think you implied, for the whiz-bang multimedia support, though it is fairly good for that too, you choose it because it is an alternative to the insecurity, instability, and wickedly bloodthirsty licensing and upgrade paths of MS OS's. Am I getting this right Tom? Tom? Wake up Tom! You did fine. Tho I'd stress blaming Bill Gates and his licensing agreements, arm twisting, and shady backroom deals, rather than the hardware vendors. M$ develops many windoze hardware drivers for, or in cooperation with the vendors, and forbids releasing any source in order to protect M$ IP. Yeah right. Truth is Billy Goat doesn't want the latest and greatest to work properly on any other OS's but his. M$ can dictate to the hardware manufactures because Windoze is over 90% of their market. The result is the same old poor cooperation with the open source community. What's needed is an open source spy to infiltrate TSMC (http://www.tsmc.com/english/default.htm). They make most of the chips hardware manufacturers and vendors use. Have all the plans and specs ;) EG, they make all the chips for both ATI and nVidia, most of the latest other video, sound, network chips, et al out there. Then Linux would soon have better drivers and hardware support than Windoze ; jus need to find someone willing to go to prison for a long time ;( -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.1 installation problem - Geforce4 recognised but doesn't work....
On Saturday September 6 2003 08:12 am, ed tharp wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 08:42, HaywireMac wrote: On 06 Sep 2003 08:25:37 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: gee,, George Lucas, and Industrial Light and Magic choose Linux. AMD and NVidia just for that. the August Linux Journal has a great writeup about the Rackspace built linux powered ILM 'deathstar' render-farm. some 1500 AMD athlon 1600, on 750 MoBos, each with 2 gigs ram. ahhh to dream of such power... just wait a few years (like 20),, I swear I will have that much power. that's comparing apples and oranges. they are using Linux for the raw power, not too support an advanced flat panel display. there's a difference between computing power and hardware support, no? I betcha they still use Mac's at the end-user level, the Linux rendering farms are just for nuclear-powered computing at the level of drawing huge amounts of polygons in a short time (and without crashing, LOL!). the article does not say what sort of display they are using, only that use Kodak Cineon for film capture, OpenEXR (an Open Source Software released by ILM) as a new floating point image format, and does mention that Cinepaint (formerly Film-Gimp),Alais|wavefront Maya, pixar renderman and Mental Images Mental Ray as the software run. It does say however that the desktops are Linux, and that after everyone goes home, instead of shutting them down, they are included in the cluster for use as render nodes, considerably increasing the load that can be handled (some 70 terrabytes of info a day over the network). These large enterprises sign licensing agreements, and make deals for closed source proprietary hardware support. They'd need to in any event because of their specialized needs, regardless of OS. Something the open source community can't and won't do. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
