Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:25:53 +, Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DJ As usual Mandrake has a nice newbie friendly tool to do backups DJ for you. DJ Make sure drakxtools is installed then, DJ Mandrake Control CentreSystemBackups DJ It will back up your /home and /etc folders to CD, ftp, rsync, DJ webdav or ssh automatically at regular intervals. You can DJ configure drakbackup to do a full backup, or an incremental backup DJ from the previous one. Is it possible to back up only certain (and previously specified) directories and NOT the whole /home? Thanks in advance, Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Saturday 05 March 2005 11:23, Paul Smith wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:25:53 +, Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DJ As usual Mandrake has a nice newbie friendly tool to do backups DJ for you. DJ Make sure drakxtools is installed then, DJ Mandrake Control CentreSystemBackups DJ It will back up your /home and /etc folders to CD, ftp, rsync, DJ webdav or ssh automatically at regular intervals. You can DJ configure drakbackup to do a full backup, or an incremental backup DJ from the previous one. Is it possible to back up only certain (and previously specified) directories and NOT the whole /home? Thanks in advance, Paul yes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:17:24 +, Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to back up only certain (and previously specified) directories and NOT the whole /home? yes Thanks, Derek. But, how? Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
Op Sat, 5 Mar 2005 14:04:02 + schreef Paul Smith: On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:17:24 +, Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to back up only certain (and previously specified) directories and NOT the whole /home? yes *grin* That almost looks like the answer of MS-tech support. ;-) Thanks, Derek. But, how? I had a quick look at drakbackup. You can click an 'advanced' button, and from there you can select exactly what you want backed up. Just run the program yourself (as root), it is very simple. And it won't start doing things on its own. If you don't trust what you do, just end it and try again. Mandrake is sooo nice... Paul -- Truth has no special time of its own. Its hour is now - always. - Albert Schweitzer http://www.nlpagan.net/linux.php Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:18:24 +0100, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to back up only certain (and previously specified) directories and NOT the whole /home? yes *grin* That almost looks like the answer of MS-tech support. ;-) Thanks, Derek. But, how? I had a quick look at drakbackup. You can click an 'advanced' button, and from there you can select exactly what you want backed up. Just run the program yourself (as root), it is very simple. And it won't start doing things on its own. If you don't trust what you do, just end it and try again. Mandrake is sooo nice... Found it. Thanks a lot, Paul. Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Saturday 05 March 2005 09:18, Paul wrote: I had a quick look at drakbackup. You can click an 'advanced' button, and from there you can select exactly what you want backed up. Just run the program yourself (as root), it is very simple. And it won't start doing things on its own. If you don't trust what you do, just end it and try again. Mandrake is sooo nice... Also, just in case anyone is interested in doing things the other way, you can create a file in your /home directory called .backupignore and add all files, directories that you want to NOT be included in the backup. Drakbackup will ignore all files and directories so listed. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:24:35 -0500, Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a quick look at drakbackup. You can click an 'advanced' button, and from there you can select exactly what you want backed up. Just run the program yourself (as root), it is very simple. And it won't start doing things on its own. If you don't trust what you do, just end it and try again. Mandrake is sooo nice... Also, just in case anyone is interested in doing things the other way, you can create a file in your /home directory called .backupignore and add all files, directories that you want to NOT be included in the backup. Drakbackup will ignore all files and directories so listed. Thanks, Bryan. I am planning to make my backups to my hard disk and, from time to time, I will save them to CDs. However, I fear that a backup file may be bigger than the storage capacity of a CD. So, I would like to ask whether there exists a way of circumvent this difficulty. Thanks in advance, Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Saturday 05 March 2005 10:52, Paul Smith wrote: Thanks, Bryan. I am planning to make my backups to my hard disk and, from time to time, I will save them to CDs. However, I fear that a backup file may be bigger than the storage capacity of a CD. So, I would like to ask whether there exists a way of circumvent this difficulty. That is fairly easy, make backups the normal way you would to a hard drive. Then, use an archive program like zip to create an archive of the backup but tell it to keep the file sizes at 600MB or so and span the archive. That will create multiple files small enough to fit on CD. Then, you simpy burn each file to a CD. Of course, this takes space on a hd to do and with DVD burners hitting about $60-80 for dual mode models, I can't see any reason to accept that limitation when you can spend $100, get a DVD burner with a couple of +RW media and burn 4.6 gb of files to a single disk. And, if you have more than 4.6 gb of data in your home directory, let me be the first to suggest that you might consider figuring out how much you do or don't need regularly and archiving some of it to permanent storage. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:50:56 -0500, Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Bryan. I am planning to make my backups to my hard disk and, from time to time, I will save them to CDs. However, I fear that a backup file may be bigger than the storage capacity of a CD. So, I would like to ask whether there exists a way of circumvent this difficulty. That is fairly easy, make backups the normal way you would to a hard drive. Then, use an archive program like zip to create an archive of the backup but tell it to keep the file sizes at 600MB or so and span the archive. That will create multiple files small enough to fit on CD. Then, you simpy burn each file to a CD. Of course, this takes space on a hd to do and with DVD burners hitting about $60-80 for dual mode models, I can't see any reason to accept that limitation when you can spend $100, get a DVD burner with a couple of +RW media and burn 4.6 gb of files to a single disk. And, if you have more than 4.6 gb of data in your home directory, let me be the first to suggest that you might consider figuring out how much you do or don't need regularly and archiving some of it to permanent storage. Good ideas, Bryan. Thanks. Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
On Friday 04 Mar 2005 01:23, riccardo wrote: On Thursday 03 March 2005 12:01 pm, Christopher Taylor wrote: nice not to have to re-install and loose all the data. _ ~ guess it is un-neccessary to lose any Data . . . ever :-O . . . have CRON Daemon do frequent backups of /home directory, using RSYNC script . . . like :- ___ #!/bin/sh # # use rsync to backup /home to /dev/hda6 # mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda6 /mnt # df cd rsync -avr --delete --delete-after /home /mnt df umount /mnt cd best rgds Just copy and paste that into shell using an editor? Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
On Friday 04 Mar 2005 21:09, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Friday 04 Mar 2005 01:23, riccardo wrote: On Thursday 03 March 2005 12:01 pm, Christopher Taylor wrote: nice not to have to re-install and loose all the data. _ ~ guess it is un-neccessary to lose any Data . . . ever :-O . . . have CRON Daemon do frequent backups of /home directory, using RSYNC script . . . like :- ___ #!/bin/sh # # use rsync to backup /home to /dev/hda6 # mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda6 /mnt # df cd rsync -avr --delete --delete-after /home /mnt df umount /mnt cd best rgds Just copy and paste that into shell using an editor? Thanks Rosemary Further question. Have been looking at cron directories (I think anyway!). Have a long list of /etc/rc or etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.hourly and so on. With regard to the above script - do I navigate to the appropriate line eg /etc/cron.daily then insert the script? I know this sounds basic to experienced users, but it is like speaking a foreign language to me. Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Friday 04 March 2005 09:04, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: SNIP Further question. Have been looking at cron directories (I think anyway!). Have a long list of /etc/rc or etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.hourly and so on. With regard to the above script - do I navigate to the appropriate line eg /etc/cron.daily then insert the script? I know this sounds basic to experienced users, but it is like speaking a foreign language to me. Thanks Rosemary As usual Mandrake has a nice newbie friendly tool to do backups for you. Make sure drakxtools is installed then, Mandrake Control CentreSystemBackups It will back up your /home and /etc folders to CD, ftp, rsync, webdav or ssh automatically at regular intervals. You can configure drakbackup to do a full backup, or an incremental backup from the previous one. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Friday 04 Mar 2005 22:29, Derek Jennings wrote: On Friday 04 March 2005 09:04, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: SNIP Further question. Have been looking at cron directories (I think anyway!). Have a long list of /etc/rc or etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.hourly and so on. With regard to the above script - do I navigate to the appropriate line eg /etc/cron.daily then insert the script? I know this sounds basic to experienced users, but it is like speaking a foreign language to me. Thanks Rosemary As usual Mandrake has a nice newbie friendly tool to do backups for you. Make sure drakxtools is installed then, Mandrake Control CentreSystemBackups It will back up your /home and /etc folders to CD, ftp, rsync, webdav or ssh automatically at regular intervals. You can configure drakbackup to do a full backup, or an incremental backup from the previous one. derek Thanks derek - suppose I ought to have thought Mandrake would do something like this. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Friday 04 Mar 2005 21:09, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Friday 04 Mar 2005 01:23, riccardo wrote: On Thursday 03 March 2005 12:01 pm, Christopher Taylor wrote: nice not to have to re-install and loose all the data. _ ~ guess it is un-neccessary to lose any Data . . . ever :-O . . . have CRON Daemon do frequent backups of /home directory, using RSYNC script . . . like :- ___ #!/bin/sh # # use rsync to backup /home to /dev/hda6 # mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda6 /mnt # df cd rsync -avr --delete --delete-after /home /mnt df umount /mnt cd best rgds Just copy and paste that into shell using an editor? Thanks Rosemary Further question. Have been looking at cron directories (I think anyway!). Have a long list of /etc/rc or etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.hourly and so on. With regard to the above script - do I navigate to the appropriate line eg /etc/cron.daily then insert the script? I know this sounds basic to experienced users, but it is like speaking a foreign language to me. Thanks Rosemary I missed this one Rosemary... Did you get it sorted or would you care for an instructing for vim ? -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Friday 04 Mar 2005 21:09, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Further question. Have been looking at cron directories (I think anyway!). Have a long list of /etc/rc or etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.hourly and so on. With regard to the above script - do I navigate to the appropriate line eg /etc/cron.daily then insert the script? I know this sounds basic to experienced users, but it is like speaking a foreign language to me. Thanks Rosemary A quick guide to the cron directories. If you put a script in the cron.frequency directory, and it is executable, then it will be run every frequency. So, if you put a script called backup in cron.daily, cron run chmod +x backup, then it will be run every night with the rest of the executable files in that directory. If you want to disable a script, you can run chmod -x script and it will not be run, until you enable it again. This is handy because you don't have to hunt for the script when you want to enable it again. This is handy for system scripts. It is not for user scripts. Users normally can not install scripts in the cron directories. If user cron job are enabled, a user can run crontab -e to add their own jobs. You will want to read up on this if you are going to use it, because you are entering the script here. Instead, you are setting up when the script will be run, and what script to run. The format is a bit cryptic at first. But it will allow fins control of when a job will be run. Do you want it to run on Thursday mornings at 8:27? It can be set here. You could also set a job to run every 5 minutes on Monday night from 6 to 9 pm. Or you can set a job to only run on the 11 day of the month. One thing you have to be careful of when writing scripts to be run as cron jobs - the envirment is not the same one as you get when you log in as a user. So a script that will run just fine from the command line may not run as a cron job. It helps to specify the path to programs, or to set PATH at the start of the script, so that you can be sure any programs you call in the script are found... (Well, enough rambling for one day!) Mikkel -- Remember: Sometimes the dragon wins! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
Hello Derek, Friday, March 4, 2005, 1:29:09 AM, Derek wrote: DJ As usual Mandrake has a nice newbie friendly tool to do backups DJ for you. DJ Make sure drakxtools is installed then, DJ Mandrake Control CentreSystemBackups DJ It will back up your /home and /etc folders to CD, ftp, rsync, DJ webdav or ssh automatically at regular intervals. You can DJ configure drakbackup to do a full backup, or an incremental backup DJ from the previous one. Does this backup include a verify step, especially if to CD/DVD, for us paranoid types? :-)) -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT - backups
On Friday 04 March 2005 20:30, rikona wrote: Hello Derek, Friday, March 4, 2005, 1:29:09 AM, Derek wrote: DJ As usual Mandrake has a nice newbie friendly tool to do backups DJ for you. DJ Make sure drakxtools is installed then, DJ Mandrake Control CentreSystemBackups DJ It will back up your /home and /etc folders to CD, ftp, rsync, DJ webdav or ssh automatically at regular intervals. You can DJ configure drakbackup to do a full backup, or an incremental backup DJ from the previous one. Does this backup include a verify step, especially if to CD/DVD, for us paranoid types? :-)) I have never tried it to CD, but I can confirm when you do an ssh backup you will be sent an email with a positive acknowledgement that the files were received intact on the server. I took a look at the code, and it does not seem to do a verify after write on CD. If you need that feature then raise a feature request on Bugzilla. Drakbackup is maintained by Stew Benedict. He often can be found on the expert list. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:15:26 +, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 March 2005 10:14 pm, Christopher Taylor wrote: This is to help me in case I need to re-install In Linux, most things can be fixed, without re-installing. best rgds I'm still used to Windows. It would be nice not to have to re-install and loose all the data. I think I'm going to like this. Chris Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Fwd: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christopher - I know gmail does not make it easy to deal with the reply-to issue, so it is polite to put (either at the top or bottom of your messages) a reminder to readers that you are a gmail user, and they will need to use 'Reply to List' or re-write the To field. Anne - -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT Date: Thursday 03 Mar 2005 12:05 From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Christopher Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 03 Mar 2005 12:01, Christopher Taylor wrote: On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:15:26 +, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 March 2005 10:14 pm, Christopher Taylor wrote: This is to help me in case I need to re-install In Linux, most things can be fixed, without re-installing. best rgds I'm still used to Windows. It would be nice not to have to re-install and loose all the data. I think I'm going to like this. Even better - you don't have to reboot every time you make a change. It's only when you've been using linux a while then come to do something on a friend's windows box that you realise just how much you hate that reboot ;-) Anne - - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCJv2QkFAvMr/nNX8RAuD2AJ9eaLF87bGGB8ZBQVtkdqifqEryOgCeIr4Y X9qYhs3Gw16/b0x0PpB0b2M= =LPH2 - -END PGP SIGNATURE- - --- - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCJv+EkFAvMr/nNX8RApUfAKCHBxxpR3mA9eBHUix3wx/lLm7olgCfRsDP awmtY9UsE0POz2ZE3LYy89o= =ZNoU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
On Thursday 03 March 2005 12:01 pm, Christopher Taylor wrote: nice not to have to re-install and loose all the data. _ ~ guess it is un-neccessary to lose any Data . . . ever :-O . . . have CRON Daemon do frequent backups of /home directory, using RSYNC script . . . like :- ___ #!/bin/sh # # use rsync to backup /home to /dev/hda6 # mount -t reiserfs /dev/hda6 /mnt # df cd rsync -avr --delete --delete-after /home /mnt df umount /mnt cd best rgds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
On Thursday 03 March 2005 13:01, Christopher Taylor wrote: On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:15:26 +, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 March 2005 10:14 pm, Christopher Taylor wrote: This is to help me in case I need to re-install In Linux, most things can be fixed, without re-installing. best rgds I'm still used to Windows. It would be nice not to have to re-install and loose all the data. I think I'm going to like this. Chris One of the best things in linux is exactly that. Allow me an advice : use the partitioning wisely. If you keep especially your /home directory on a separate partition you can keep all your personal files, settings and whatnot forever. Next time you install a newer version or do a kernel upgrade, just don't format that partition and everything will work right away. A good partitioning scheme for a complete newbie could look like this : Make a root partition (/) of about 10 GB Make a swap partition equal to your RAM size Make a /home partition on the rest. ...and for the file system, use a journalling one, like ReiserFS, ext3, XFS or JFS. (no file system for the swap partition). Of course one can elaborate ad infinitum on this, but IMHO this is the basics. Enjoy... Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:14:37 -0500 Christopher Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to linux in general (1 week) and have decided to put my individual experiences on the internet in a forum format. I have posted small messages for each of the experiences that I have had in the past week. This is to help me in case I need to re-install and need to remember what I needed to do to get things to work. I also hope that it may help others. I have posted here to find out if this is a good idea or not. The link is http://mandrake.cjt-design.com. Different members of the list have helped me and I hope that I can return the favor in the future. Christopher Taylor Welcome to Mandrake, Christopher! Another place you can post articles on Linux solutions is the Twiki at http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org It's been awhile since i did a test run of pretending i was new to it, so if you do try to submit or use it, and run into trouble, let us know. I'm sometimes a little slow on my list reading these days, so feel free to cc me directly when you post. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Mandrake Forum - OT
I am new to linux in general (1 week) and have decided to put my individual experiences on the internet in a forum format. I have posted small messages for each of the experiences that I have had in the past week. This is to help me in case I need to re-install and need to remember what I needed to do to get things to work. I also hope that it may help others. I have posted here to find out if this is a good idea or not. The link is http://mandrake.cjt-design.com. Different members of the list have helped me and I hope that I can return the favor in the future. Christopher Taylor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
