Re: [newbie] Mandrake RPM for XPde?
On Monday 05 April 2004 05:46, Andrew Archibald wrote: > On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 15:31, frankieh wrote: > > I have next to no knowledge of making rpms, > > > > but if nobody with more experiance pops up their heads and volenteers.. > > I will give it a shot and make it > > publically available.. > > Interestingly a story about the latest version of XPde has cropped up on > slashdot: > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/03/2322233&mode=thread&; >tid=106&tid=185&tid=189 > > I don't have any experience but from some browsing the installation > instructions are: > " > General installation instructions: > -Decompress the tar.gz in /usr/share as root > -Edit the .xinitrc file of the user you want to run XPde and put this > line: > /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde > -Start X > " > http://support.xpde.com/ > > If you're looking to build an rpm, you'd presumably have to write a > script, which does some of the above. I've heard that checkinstall is > very good for capturing the behaviour of the script and putting it all > together, if you work out how to write the script! I'm not quite sure > what you would do for the user specific stuff- maybe do it system wide > in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ? Or leave it to the user to actually enable > it if they want? Perhaps this software needs some adapting to work with > a package based system! > > Good luck! > > A. Check this page it specific to Mandrake. http://support.xpde.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=32 -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake RPM for XPde?
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 15:31, frankieh wrote: > I have next to no knowledge of making rpms, > but if nobody with more experiance pops up their heads and volenteers.. > I will give it a shot and make it > publically available.. Interestingly a story about the latest version of XPde has cropped up on slashdot: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/03/2322233&mode=thread&tid=106&tid=185&tid=189 I don't have any experience but from some browsing the installation instructions are: " General installation instructions: -Decompress the tar.gz in /usr/share as root -Edit the .xinitrc file of the user you want to run XPde and put this line: /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde -Start X " http://support.xpde.com/ If you're looking to build an rpm, you'd presumably have to write a script, which does some of the above. I've heard that checkinstall is very good for capturing the behaviour of the script and putting it all together, if you work out how to write the script! I'm not quite sure what you would do for the user specific stuff- maybe do it system wide in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ? Or leave it to the user to actually enable it if they want? Perhaps this software needs some adapting to work with a package based system! Good luck! A. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake RPM for XPde?
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 17:36, The Other wrote: > Does 'checkinstall' make actual RPMs? Yes, it does indeed. > because I was under the impression 'checkinstall' will make an RPM > entry into Mandrake's Software Manager section so everything can be > removed from the Uninstall Packages menus. (I'm not entirely You can uninstall the package using any of the rpm package managers (including mdk's). > I've never figured out if 'checkinstall' makes the actual RPM and > there is a file somewhere on computer. "Additionally, this script will leave a copy of the installed package in the source directory (or in the storage directory you specify) so you can install it wherever you want". http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/docs/README Archie. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake RPM for XPde?
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:46:42 -0500, Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: frankieh wrote: However I have to say I would feel alot better if someone that actually understands rpm's did it. Yeah, I would too. I've never had the time or patience to learn. With my luck it would turn into a Dos Batch file! Lanman Does 'checkinstall' make actual RPMs? When I get a tarball off the Internet and go through the configure and make commands, I let 'checkinstall' do the actual installation because I was under the impression 'checkinstall' will make an RPM entry into Mandrake's Software Manager section so everything can be removed from the Uninstall Packages menus. (I'm not entirely convinced that 'checkinstall' actually removes all the files off the computer.) During the installation process with 'checkinstall', it asks which type of RPM you'd like to create. I've never figured out if 'checkinstall' makes the actual RPM and there is a file somewhere on computer. Perhaps 'checkinstall' can do this job. (I was curious about this thread because I've always been on the PC side and have never developed a liking for icons in a file manager system. I'm using Midnight Commander for the file management duties.) The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake RPM for XPde?
frankieh wrote: However I have to say I would feel alot better if someone that actually understands rpm's did it. Yeah, I would too. I've never had the time or patience to learn. With my luck it would turn into a Dos Batch file! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake RPM for XPde?
Lanman wrote: franki wrote: As the question in the subject states, I'm looking for mandrake rpms for XPde.. I am always on the lookout for things that will make linux seem less threatning for windows users.. To that end I recently discovered XPde http://xpde.com/ which is designed to look like Windows XP, but has ended up looking like 98/2000 but will have themes available later to match XP's look. Anyway, this thing is so close to 98/2000, that I'd be surprised if newbie users would even know they were not using 98/2000 if they were to find themselves in front of an Linux/XPde machine.. Now I know all the arguements of why would you want to copy windoze, it sux and there are better wm around.. but the point is that a newbie linux/win user will feel more comfortably with this then they would having to learn their way around a completely different wm/GUI... So to that effect I am looking to find or make an rpm of XPde so that I can put it on the systems of users that are "unsure" about linux.. I am surprised that the likes of Mandrake, Xandros, Lindows have not been looking at this app.. not as a default desktop, but say for example they add a "user class" question to the install screens, and if the user selected "windows newbie" then it could set up XPde for them. One of the particularly impressive features is the version of windows explorer they have created. it is seriously similiar to windows explorer and would be MUCH more freindly to windows users then Konqueror or one of the others... see for yourself. http://xpde.com/shots/explorer.png While I don't believe that the windoze user interface has any particulary merits that bear copying.. I just say that for someone turning on a pc and expecting win9x, they would be hard pressed to tell that this isn't and would probably feel right at home.. then a month later you tell them they've been using linux and show them some more powerful and customizable window managers... (I had a look on rpmfind, and some googling but so far have found no rpms for any distro, let along mandrake, however it was mentioned on mandrake club as a potential rpm.. so if your a club member, you should go and vote for XPde so that those of us that spend our time at the front end trying to convert companies to Linux.. have another tool in our chest to do so.) rgds Franki I have to agree. With Linux popularity gaining new ground each day, we have to consider that the easier it is for the masses to switch to Linux, the more of them will make the switch. I've been making a point of using KDE with a Windows 2000 Look and Feel for my clients, and usually ( more often than not ), I've been getting phone calls from them after a few months, saying "Hey, did you know that you can make major changes to the desktop?" Of course, that usually gets a little grin and chuckle out of me, but it shows that once they have acquired a "comfort level", users are usually stunned by the flexibility of the desktops alone. These conversations typically happen on a weekly basis for me, during which I often point the clients to a LUG and other websites for extra help, and to learn more. I've rarely gone back to a client 6 months later and seen the same desktop in place without some serious modificfations having been done. Of course, the client and their staff, typically have a smug little smile on their faces concerning their accomplishments. I know from having worked in large enterprises that sysadmins typically end up locking down a lot of the functionality of M$ Windows and the desktops so as to reduce security problems, to save time for the IT support staff and to minimize user dissatisfaction. But I'm actually seeing users with smiles on their faces again ! Has anyone else noticed that? The trust is back ! When users have a system that crashes or causes them problems, they usually blame the IT staff. As a result, they don't trust the IT guys, blaming the problems on them instead of an inferior O/S and desktop system. But those of my clients using Linux are smiling at me again, and now they're eager to learn new things. Of all the improvements I've ever seen in Linux and all the justifications for using it, this has to be the best of them all. Giving new users a desktop like that would just make it happen that much faster. So, if anyone here is brave enough to tackle Franki's suggestion, that would probably be the most significant contribution someone could make to help promote Linux. Now,h, if it was only capable of running on Mandrake,h! Grin! Here's to World Domination Folks! It's our turn! OK, go back to your normal stuff, now. I'm done. Lanman Way to go Lanman, I agree completely... I have next to no knowledge of making rpms, The closest I have come is installing rpm's, editing their spec files and the code of the src in question and then compiling them into binary rpms... but if nobody with more experiance pops u
Re: [newbie] Mandrake RPM for XPde?
franki wrote: As the question in the subject states, I'm looking for mandrake rpms for XPde.. I am always on the lookout for things that will make linux seem less threatning for windows users.. To that end I recently discovered XPde http://xpde.com/ which is designed to look like Windows XP, but has ended up looking like 98/2000 but will have themes available later to match XP's look. Anyway, this thing is so close to 98/2000, that I'd be surprised if newbie users would even know they were not using 98/2000 if they were to find themselves in front of an Linux/XPde machine.. Now I know all the arguements of why would you want to copy windoze, it sux and there are better wm around.. but the point is that a newbie linux/win user will feel more comfortably with this then they would having to learn their way around a completely different wm/GUI... So to that effect I am looking to find or make an rpm of XPde so that I can put it on the systems of users that are "unsure" about linux.. I am surprised that the likes of Mandrake, Xandros, Lindows have not been looking at this app.. not as a default desktop, but say for example they add a "user class" question to the install screens, and if the user selected "windows newbie" then it could set up XPde for them. One of the particularly impressive features is the version of windows explorer they have created. it is seriously similiar to windows explorer and would be MUCH more freindly to windows users then Konqueror or one of the others... see for yourself. http://xpde.com/shots/explorer.png While I don't believe that the windoze user interface has any particulary merits that bear copying.. I just say that for someone turning on a pc and expecting win9x, they would be hard pressed to tell that this isn't and would probably feel right at home.. then a month later you tell them they've been using linux and show them some more powerful and customizable window managers... (I had a look on rpmfind, and some googling but so far have found no rpms for any distro, let along mandrake, however it was mentioned on mandrake club as a potential rpm.. so if your a club member, you should go and vote for XPde so that those of us that spend our time at the front end trying to convert companies to Linux.. have another tool in our chest to do so.) rgds Franki I have to agree. With Linux popularity gaining new ground each day, we have to consider that the easier it is for the masses to switch to Linux, the more of them will make the switch. I've been making a point of using KDE with a Windows 2000 Look and Feel for my clients, and usually ( more often than not ), I've been getting phone calls from them after a few months, saying "Hey, did you know that you can make major changes to the desktop?" Of course, that usually gets a little grin and chuckle out of me, but it shows that once they have acquired a "comfort level", users are usually stunned by the flexibility of the desktops alone. These conversations typically happen on a weekly basis for me, during which I often point the clients to a LUG and other websites for extra help, and to learn more. I've rarely gone back to a client 6 months later and seen the same desktop in place without some serious modificfations having been done. Of course, the client and their staff, typically have a smug little smile on their faces concerning their accomplishments. I know from having worked in large enterprises that sysadmins typically end up locking down a lot of the functionality of M$ Windows and the desktops so as to reduce security problems, to save time for the IT support staff and to minimize user dissatisfaction. But I'm actually seeing users with smiles on their faces again ! Has anyone else noticed that? The trust is back ! When users have a system that crashes or causes them problems, they usually blame the IT staff. As a result, they don't trust the IT guys, blaming the problems on them instead of an inferior O/S and desktop system. But those of my clients using Linux are smiling at me again, and now they're eager to learn new things. Of all the improvements I've ever seen in Linux and all the justifications for using it, this has to be the best of them all. Giving new users a desktop like that would just make it happen that much faster. So, if anyone here is brave enough to tackle Franki's suggestion, that would probably be the most significant contribution someone could make to help promote Linux. Now,h, if it was only capable of running on Mandrake,h! Grin! Here's to World Domination Folks! It's our turn! OK, go back to your normal stuff, now. I'm done. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Mandrake RPM for XPde?
As the question in the subject states, I'm looking for mandrake rpms for XPde.. I am always on the lookout for things that will make linux seem less threatning for windows users.. To that end I recently discovered XPde http://xpde.com/ which is designed to look like Windows XP, but has ended up looking like 98/2000 but will have themes available later to match XP's look. Anyway, this thing is so close to 98/2000, that I'd be surprised if newbie users would even know they were not using 98/2000 if they were to find themselves in front of an Linux/XPde machine.. Now I know all the arguements of why would you want to copy windoze, it sux and there are better wm around.. but the point is that a newbie linux/win user will feel more comfortably with this then they would having to learn their way around a completely different wm/GUI... So to that effect I am looking to find or make an rpm of XPde so that I can put it on the systems of users that are "unsure" about linux.. I am surprised that the likes of Mandrake, Xandros, Lindows have not been looking at this app.. not as a default desktop, but say for example they add a "user class" question to the install screens, and if the user selected "windows newbie" then it could set up XPde for them. One of the particularly impressive features is the version of windows explorer they have created. it is seriously similiar to windows explorer and would be MUCH more freindly to windows users then Konqueror or one of the others... see for yourself. http://xpde.com/shots/explorer.png While I don't believe that the windoze user interface has any particulary merits that bear copying.. I just say that for someone turning on a pc and expecting win9x, they would be hard pressed to tell that this isn't and would probably feel right at home.. then a month later you tell them they've been using linux and show them some more powerful and customizable window managers... (I had a look on rpmfind, and some googling but so far have found no rpms for any distro, let along mandrake, however it was mentioned on mandrake club as a potential rpm.. so if your a club member, you should go and vote for XPde so that those of us that spend our time at the front end trying to convert companies to Linux.. have another tool in our chest to do so.) rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
