Re: [newbie] Microsoft User Group
Kesav Tadimeti wrote: Hi all, It makes sense to use some sensible linux distro instead of using pirated MS s/w. Consider - Windows OS ($8/-) + MS Office ($8/-) + MSVC ($8/-) + SqlServer ($8/-) + Adobe suite (acrobat, photoshop...$8/-) + ... = $40 atleast Boxed Mandrake Linux (standard) was $50/- (7.2) Or if you try Debian, FreeBSD = $10-15/- With linux/BSD you get a whole lot of software as well. Those were prices in Singapore. In India, it is 100/- for a CD (USD2/-). So a Linux CD set would cost upwards of Rs300/- when you could get it for half the price from the Linux users group. Like Indonesia, most people here buy Windows and Windows programs on the street for about $3. Now I know why the EU is reluctant to admit Turkey. g Cheers... LOL. I think software piracy is a minor issue compared to the fact that we have a populous country with a lousy economy (I suspect concerns about human rights, the role of the military etc. are a convenient way to avoid talking about this issue openly). Still, software piracy is massive here - often even the copy of Windows you get with a new PC is pirated. Software sells on the street for about $3 per CD, so you're talking around $15 for a pirated MS software suite - cheaper than a Mandrake boxed set, but more expensive than buying Linux on the street. Computer magazines often provide Linux distros (I got 7.2 and 9.0 like that, the latter being a stripped-down one-CD version). BTW, $3 is not a negligible amount of money here - you can get a pretty decent meal for that. Sir Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft User Group
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 19:48, robin wrote: LOL. I think software piracy is a minor issue compared to the fact that we have a populous country with a lousy economy (I suspect concerns about human rights, the role of the military etc. are a convenient way to avoid talking about this issue openly). Still, software piracy is massive here - often even the copy of Windows you get with a new PC is pirated. Software sells on the street for about $3 per CD, so you're talking around $15 for a pirated MS software suite - cheaper than a Mandrake boxed set, but more expensive than buying Linux on the street. Computer magazines often provide Linux distros (I got 7.2 and 9.0 like that, the latter being a stripped-down one-CD version). BTW, $3 is not a negligible amount of money here - you can get a pretty decent meal for that. Sir Robin Mmmmaybe I should enroll in one of your classes, Sir Robin - and motivate my physical self there...I've always wanted to do some digging around Turkey...(barring nuclear strikes by US Armed Forces) -- Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:00:00 +1100 8:00pm up 22:57, 4 users, load average: 0.18, 0.25, 0.29 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- `O' LEVEL COUNTER CULTURE Timewarp allowed: 3 hours. Do not scrawl situationalist graffiti in the margins or stub your rollups in the inkwells. Orange may be worn. Credit will be given to candidates who self-actualise. (1) Compare and contrast Pink Floyd with Black Sabbath and say why neither has street credibility. (2) Even Buddha would have been hard pushed to reach Nirvana squatting on a juggernaut route. Consider the dialectic of inner truth and inner city. (3) Discuss degree of hassle involved in paranoia about being sucked into a black hole. (4) The Egomaniac's Liberation Front were a bunch of revisionist ripoff merchants. Comment on this insult. (5) Account for the lack of references to brown rice in Dylan's lyrics. (6) Castenada was a bit of a bozo. How far is this a fair summing up of western dualism? (7) Hermann Hesse was a Pisces. Discuss. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Microsoft User Group
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 09:52, Robert Wideman wrote: In Asia he (Gates) is trying to crack down on piracy...its where 75% of piracy comes from in the world. Dont know how well it is working for him. About 3 months ago i heard about a ship in international waters off the coast of the Philipines (spelling?) and I dont know what happened to it but i do know that no country law could technically do anything since being in international waters. Anyone know about this? Rob Most of Asia could really care less about Microsoft's laws, or actually, Western laws - especially those that are wrought by business for business - as is fastly becoming the case with most of the major cases in the US today. China certainly doesn't give a hoot, South Korea, even though it's one of the most plugged in countries doesn't care - to them, the idea of the software police is more a joke than anything and it ain't gonna stop anyone from either making copies of software, selling copies of software (or movies) or anything else for that matter. Some of that Asian Attitude is prevalent here in Australia as well - due to it's locale and proximity. Microsoft has already pissed off several key governmental departments with high priced upgrades - and threats about licensing - we don't have heaps of money like back in the US, and some US based companies end up loosing the Aussie market due to that lack of forethought and arrogance. I personally could care less if the software police came after me - I'm cleaning up my stuff and changing EVERYTHING in the house over to opensource - my wife has been reading through enough of the news lately to formulate her own ideas about the whole picture, and well, it's better than me forcing her to switch over. She just needs to get familiar with some more bits and bobs, but she knows how stable it is and how much more cool and configurable linux is... (If I can only get the damn Canon 265SP printer to work happily and get the damn Canon LIDE scanner working happily, all will be history) Meanwhile, in the waters around Asia-Pacific - any boat that's in international waters is open to literally anything - or vice-versa. It's strange coming from a country that has the Coast Guard always watchful... -- Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:05:00 +1100 11:05pm up 2:02, 4 users, load average: 1.42, 1.38, 1.20 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Minors in Kansas City, Missouri, are not allowed to purchase cap pistols; they may buy shotguns freely, however. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft User Group
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 30 January 2003 11:25 am, Kesav Tadimeti wrote: Hi all, It makes sense to use some sensible linux distro instead of using pirated MS s/w. Consider - Windows OS ($8/-) + MS Office ($8/-) + MSVC ($8/-) + SqlServer ($8/-) + Adobe suite (acrobat, photoshop...$8/-) + ... = $40 atleast Boxed Mandrake Linux (standard) was $50/- (7.2) Or if you try Debian, FreeBSD = $10-15/- With linux/BSD you get a whole lot of software as well. Those were prices in Singapore. In India, it is 100/- for a CD (USD2/-). So a Linux CD set would cost upwards of Rs300/- when you could get it for half the price from the Linux users group. Like Indonesia, most people here buy Windows and Windows programs on the street for about $3. Now I know why the EU is reluctant to admit Turkey. g In Indonesia, it is difficult to eliminate software piracy because the lecturers at University/College use Windows and Software under Windows to teach their Computer Science students. Microsoft Indonesia bound the campus with Campus Agreement, so the campus can buy microsoft product at the discount price (10% off). I am sad if I see computer students using pirated softwares to finish their homeworks. What do they feel if they become programmers and someone crack or pirate their softwares ?. I use linux because I don't want to use pirated softwares. I feel guilty if I use pirated softwares. Well, it is about ethics. Law can be buy but your heart know that it is wrong. - -- Rifza Adriansyah Are you using GnuPG ? Find my public key at http://belgium.keyserver.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+OSSzH9VEhcXPGz4RApefAJ47I0MmQplg/5wTGjKouHWQdMZCYACgxC+W ytIJpmC/4VGKv2IIdacUngc= =pRdA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft User Group
On Thursday 30 Jan 2003 1:12 pm, Rifza Adriansyah wrote: In Indonesia, it is difficult to eliminate software piracy because the lecturers at University/College use Windows and Software under Windows to teach their Computer Science students. Microsoft Indonesia bound the campus with Campus Agreement, so the campus can buy microsoft product at the discount price (10% off). I am sad if I see computer students using pirated softwares to finish their homeworks. What do they feel if they become programmers and someone crack or pirate their softwares ?. I use linux because I don't want to use pirated softwares. I feel guilty if I use pirated softwares. Well, it is about ethics. Law can be buy but your heart know that it is wrong. Even in more affluent countries like the UK students are caught out be this. Colleges and universities were initially given a veery good deal by Microsoft but then found themselves tied in. The result is that all courses are taught on MS software, and submissions have to be in MS format. For one module I took I bought Visual Basic - I was a part-time student with a full-time job, so had to be able to work in my own time. Close to the end of the module we were required to include an activex component. The standard package won't do that - you need the pro version. I ended up having to borrow a pirated copy just to do that one job. I could not afford the package and I will never use it again. I bitterly resent being forced into what I consider an immoral situation. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Microsoft User Group
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi friends, I bought Microsoft User Group Indonesia magazine (www.mugi.or.id). I think it is a strategy to compete with Linux User Group. But, I am not sure the member of MUGI use microsoft original softwares. In Indonesia, you can buy illegal copies of M$ Windows 2000 Pro just only USD 2. Bill Gates might be crying when he sees his software whose are sold very cheap. Are there Microsoft User Group outside Indonesia ?. Perhaps in Europe or other countries. - -- Rifza Adriansyah Are you using GnuPG ? Find my public key at http://belgium.keyserver.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+NopzH9VEhcXPGz4RAu/jAKC+VqZgM6IPzMuawr4DOnO9TLkAwgCfSWB9 exA0BLqQF0t1IyOtU6LWAlg= =uqUd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft User Group
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 00:49, Rifza Adriansyah wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi friends, I bought Microsoft User Group Indonesia magazine (www.mugi.or.id). I think it is a strategy to compete with Linux User Group. But, I am not sure the member of MUGI use microsoft original softwares. In Indonesia, you can buy illegal copies of M$ Windows 2000 Pro just only USD 2. Bill Gates might be crying when he sees his software whose are sold very cheap. Are there Microsoft User Group outside Indonesia ?. Perhaps in Europe or other countries. - -- Rifza Adriansyah ...and to think I was charing 2 AUDdang...have to raise my prices... -- Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:40:00 +1100 9:40pm up 4:39, 5 users, load average: 0.20, 0.12, 0.22 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- It would be nice to say that the tiny frogs thought long and hard about the new flower, about life in the old flower, about the need to explore, about the possibility that the world was bigger than a pool with petals around the edge. In fact, what they thought was: ._._.mipmip._._.mipmip._._.mipmip. (Wings) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Microsoft User Group
Rifza Adriansyah wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi friends, I bought Microsoft User Group Indonesia magazine (www.mugi.or.id). I think it is a strategy to compete with Linux User Group. But, I am not sure the member of MUGI use microsoft original softwares. In Indonesia, you can buy illegal copies of M$ Windows 2000 Pro just only USD 2. Bill Gates might be crying when he sees his software whose are sold very cheap. Are there Microsoft User Group outside Indonesia ?. Perhaps in Europe or other countries. There are MS user groups here in Turkey. Like Indonesia, most people here buy Windows and Windows programs on the street for about $3. There are rumours that the government may try to root out software piracy, which would be good for Open Source. One of my friends (who runs a small hardware company) is about to install OpenOffice because his pirated MS Office is getting too risky to have on his computers. Sir Robin -- Like these cutters, and hackers, who will take the wall of men, and picke quarrells. - G. Pettie Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Microsoft User Group
In Asia he (Gates) is trying to crack down on piracy...its where 75% of piracy comes from in the world. Dont know how well it is working for him. About 3 months ago i heard about a ship in international waters off the coast of the Philipines (spelling?) and I dont know what happened to it but i do know that no country law could technically do anything since being in international waters. Anyone know about this? Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rifza Adriansyah Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:50 AM To: Mandrake milis Subject: [newbie] Microsoft User Group -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi friends, I bought Microsoft User Group Indonesia magazine (www.mugi.or.id). I think it is a strategy to compete with Linux User Group. But, I am not sure the member of MUGI use microsoft original softwares. In Indonesia, you can buy illegal copies of M$ Windows 2000 Pro just only USD 2. Bill Gates might be crying when he sees his software whose are sold very cheap. Are there Microsoft User Group outside Indonesia ?. Perhaps in Europe or other countries. - -- Rifza Adriansyah Are you using GnuPG ? Find my public key at http://belgium.keyserver.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+NopzH9VEhcXPGz4RAu/jAKC+VqZgM6IPzMuawr4DOnO9TLkAwgCfSWB9 exA0BLqQF0t1IyOtU6LWAlg= =uqUd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
