Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
On Monday 17 December 2001 06:04, Brian Parish wrote: 1. install apt (apt-0.3.19cnc51-1mdk.i586.rpm) I could not find this in my 8.1 Mandrake archive. Where can I get a copy? I've heard of some really good experiences with apt from Debian people, and have wanted this on Mandrake. MandrakeUpdate/urpmi whatever it's called is OK but can eat up a lot of RAM. rpmfind is a little better at finding dependencies and installing, but not (from what I've heard) as good as apt is. I think it's debatable whether or not the Debian package format is supposed to make this depencency problem better than RPM - the feedback I have gotten suggest .deb is better. I've found apt faster and more reliable than Mandrake's own *rpmi (MandrakeUpdate); the downside is that it doesn't tell you when something brand new has been added to the cooker. It also seems to ignore packages Apparently, the Debian people get around that by just doing an apt-get dist-upgrade in a cron job and wake up in the morning with any/all new additions. rsyncing a local mirror of cooker might be just as well, but that won't automagicaly install any new RPMS that it finds. Last time (back when I was using 7.2) I tried a version of apt I found somewhere on Cooker but I was not able to get it to work, mostly because of unconfigured sample files and stuff like that. I'd really like to get a resource file for apt that is well-configured for Mandrake (cooker or otherwise). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
dfox wrote: On Monday 17 December 2001 06:04, Brian Parish wrote: 1. install apt (apt-0.3.19cnc51-1mdk.i586.rpm) I could not find this in my 8.1 Mandrake archive. Where can I get a copy? I've heard of some really good experiences with apt from Debian people, and have wanted this on Mandrake. MandrakeUpdate/urpmi whatever it's called is OK but can eat up a lot of RAM. rpmfind is a little better at finding dependencies and installing, but not (from what I've heard) as good as apt is. I think it's debatable whether or not the Debian package format is supposed to make this depencency problem better than RPM - the feedback I have gotten suggest .deb is better. Actually not. .deb packages are under much stricter prep guidelines and are prepared by a much smaller group. There is nothing in the tech specs that makes them better. But rpms are used by a much broader audience and have developed much more rapidly, so expect them to surpass debs in all capabilities eventually. The big thing is standardizing them because some distros use 3 others 4 and not everyone uses rpmlint. You want rpm-get to load debs. Also note that mandrake rpms are apt-get capable. Civileme I've found apt faster and more reliable than Mandrake's own *rpmi (MandrakeUpdate); the downside is that it doesn't tell you when something brand new has been added to the cooker. It also seems to ignore packages Apparently, the Debian people get around that by just doing an apt-get dist-upgrade in a cron job and wake up in the morning with any/all new additions. rsyncing a local mirror of cooker might be just as well, but that won't automagicaly install any new RPMS that it finds. Last time (back when I was using 7.2) I tried a version of apt I found somewhere on Cooker but I was not able to get it to work, mostly because of unconfigured sample files and stuff like that. I'd really like to get a resource file for apt that is well-configured for Mandrake (cooker or otherwise). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
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Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
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Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
On Monday 17 December 2001 06:04, Brian Parish wrote: Usually when I get to this point I give up because I knew a little about what I tried to do first, less about the next layer and so on until I figure I know so little about what I'm doing that all I'll acheive is a totally screwed system. Well, maybe not a great philosophy, but it works for me - at least to the extent that my system still boots ;-) Comments? Advice? 1. install apt (apt-0.3.19cnc51-1mdk.i586.rpm) 2. as root, type apt-get update in a terminal 3. type apt-get install mozilla 4. wait a while; it will tell you exactly what needs to be installed. I've found apt faster and more reliable than Mandrake's own *rpmi (MandrakeUpdate); the downside is that it doesn't tell you when something brand new has been added to the cooker. It also seems to ignore packages in the RPMS2 directories, which is where some of the interesting client-side stuff is hidden. Also, I've found it best to install a few outdated packages at a time and watch out for error messages, rather than risking all on a dist-upgrade. But all in all, a great little package. -- Michel Clasquin, D Litt et Phil (Unisa) [EMAIL PROTECTED]/unisa.ac.za http://www.geocities.com/clasqm This message was posted from a Microsoft-free PC f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n nx dmnstrtn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
I currently have Mozilla 0.9.4, running on 8.1. I used to have Moz 0.9.5, from Cooker, but had to remove it, for some reason (I forget why). Anyway, I can't seem to find that version anymore, only 0.9.6 ... which uses a different libpng. I'm a bit leery about updating libpng, since many apps depend on it. I tried rebuilding from src.rpms, but that didn't work. I also tried using RedHat's rpms, but had no luck rebuilding. Has anybody done this - updated to 0.9.6 from Cooker, with associated libpng upgrade? And if so, has it broken any applications? I'm thinking specifically of things like Evolution, Konqueror, Opera, GIMP, etc. -- -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 50453890 AIM: MikeLeone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF PGP public key: http://www.mike-leone.com/~turgon/turgon-public-key.gpg Foreman, roving paving crew, Dept. of Roads, Hades. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 12:45:55PM -0500, Michael Leone wrote: I currently have Mozilla 0.9.4, running on 8.1. I used to have Moz 0.9.5, from Cooker, but had to remove it, for some reason (I forget why). Anyway, I can't seem to find that version anymore, only 0.9.6 ... which uses a different libpng. I'm a bit leery about updating libpng, since many apps depend on it. I tried rebuilding from src.rpms, but that didn't work. I also tried using RedHat's rpms, but had no luck rebuilding. Has anybody done this - updated to 0.9.6 from Cooker, with associated libpng upgrade? And if so, has it broken any applications? I'm thinking specifically of things like Evolution, Konqueror, Opera, GIMP, etc. Michael, I've always had better luck using the official Mozilla binaries/installer. I'm using 8.1 as well and I've never had to worry about this dependency you're having and I'm using the latest nightly. Since you appear to have an official Mandrake mozilla package, leave it installed and install using mozilla's net install. Then all you need to do is call mozilla from the command line using the default path, which is /usr/local/mozilla. A bit of a kludge but it's the easiest way to do things IMHO. HTH. -- Cheers, Stephen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
On Sunday 16 December 2001 10:45 am, you wrote: Has anybody done this - updated to 0.9.6 from Cooker, with associated libpng upgrade? And if so, has it broken any applications? I'm thinking specifically of things like Evolution, Konqueror, Opera, GIMP, etc. I used rpmfind to grab all the required rpms to go with the cooker version of Mozilla 0.9.6 and updated the whole kit kaboodle at one time. No problems as yet and it's been about a week. It did clean up several problems that I was seeing - broken display of pages with html showing in the middle, etc. It feel a little bit faster as well, but that could be perception. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
Ditto. I've had some good experiences like Steve below with Mozilla's installer. Don't forget that to install flash and java you may need some extra steps. Flash is pretty straight forward, follow the README. You will need to download and install jre from java.sun.com . Then create a symlink from /usr/java/jre1.3.1_01/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so to you mozilla plugin directory, for me: ln -s /usr/java/jre1.3.1_01/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/ To give credit where it's due, someone on #mandrake on irc.openprojects.org helped me figure this out. You can get help there too if you need it, try xhcat from the networking menu. -Paul Rodríguez On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 13:12, Steve wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 12:45:55PM -0500, Michael Leone wrote: I currently have Mozilla 0.9.4, running on 8.1. I used to have Moz 0.9.5, from Cooker, but had to remove it, for some reason (I forget why). Anyway, I can't seem to find that version anymore, only 0.9.6 ... which uses a different libpng. I'm a bit leery about updating libpng, since many apps depend on it. I tried rebuilding from src.rpms, but that didn't work. I also tried using RedHat's rpms, but had no luck rebuilding. Has anybody done this - updated to 0.9.6 from Cooker, with associated libpng upgrade? And if so, has it broken any applications? I'm thinking specifically of things like Evolution, Konqueror, Opera, GIMP, etc. Michael, I've always had better luck using the official Mozilla binaries/installer. I'm using 8.1 as well and I've never had to worry about this dependency you're having and I'm using the latest nightly. Since you appear to have an official Mandrake mozilla package, leave it installed and install using mozilla's net install. Then all you need to do is call mozilla from the command line using the default path, which is /usr/local/mozilla. A bit of a kludge but it's the easiest way to do things IMHO. HTH. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
On Sunday 16 December 2001 11:56, you wrote: Ditto. I've had some good experiences like Steve below with Mozilla's installer. Don't forget that to install flash and java you may need some extra steps. Flash is pretty straight forward, follow the README. You will need to download and install jre from java.sun.com . Then create a symlink from /usr/java/jre1.3.1_01/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so to you mozilla plugin directory, for me: ln -s /usr/java/jre1.3.1_01/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/ To give credit where it's due, someone on #mandrake on irc.openprojects.org helped me figure this out. You can get help there too if you need it, try xhcat from the networking menu. *smiles and winks* Cheers -Paul Rodríguez On Sun, 2001-12-16 at 13:12, Steve wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 12:45:55PM -0500, Michael Leone wrote: I currently have Mozilla 0.9.4, running on 8.1. I used to have Moz 0.9.5, from Cooker, but had to remove it, for some reason (I forget why). Anyway, I can't seem to find that version anymore, only 0.9.6 ... which uses a different libpng. I'm a bit leery about updating libpng, since many apps depend on it. I tried rebuilding from src.rpms, but that didn't work. I also tried using RedHat's rpms, but had no luck rebuilding. Has anybody done this - updated to 0.9.6 from Cooker, with associated libpng upgrade? And if so, has it broken any applications? I'm thinking specifically of things like Evolution, Konqueror, Opera, GIMP, etc. Michael, I've always had better luck using the official Mozilla binaries/installer. I'm using 8.1 as well and I've never had to worry about this dependency you're having and I'm using the latest nightly. Since you appear to have an official Mandrake mozilla package, leave it installed and install using mozilla's net install. Then all you need to do is call mozilla from the command line using the default path, which is /usr/local/mozilla. A bit of a kludge but it's the easiest way to do things IMHO. HTH. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- H. L. Mencken's Law: Those who can -- do. Those who can't -- teach. Martin's Extension: Those who cannot teach -- administrate. --- 12:28pm up 3:33, 2 users, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla 0.9.4?
That sounds good to me too, but I seem to be getting into one of these chase the dependencies until you forget what you were trying to install in the first place loops. DL'd the RPMs mentioned below. Galeon demands something called GConf whatever LM 8.1 installed. Found and DL'd a tarball of the required GConf version - configure can't find something called oaf-config. Usually when I get to this point I give up because I knew a little about what I tried to do first, less about the next layer and so on until I figure I know so little about what I'm doing that all I'll acheive is a totally screwed system. Well, maybe not a great philosophy, but it works for me - at least to the extent that my system still boots ;-) Comments? Advice? Brian On Monday 17 December 2001 10:32 am, you wrote: Go here ftp://ftp.eastwind.net/pub/mirrors/texstar/Mandrake-8.1-i686 Texstar keeps lots of nice RPM's on his site. The mozilla0.9.6 here is compiled against libpng2, so no need to mess up your system. Also here is galeon 1.01 compiled against libpng2. They work just dandy. Derek On Sunday 16 December 2001 17:45, Michael Leone wrote: I currently have Mozilla 0.9.4, running on 8.1. I used to have Moz 0.9.5, from Cooker, but had to remove it, for some reason (I forget why). Anyway, I can't seem to find that version anymore, only 0.9.6 ... which uses a different libpng. I'm a bit leery about updating libpng, since many apps depend on it. I tried rebuilding from src.rpms, but that didn't work. I also tried using RedHat's rpms, but had no luck rebuilding. Has anybody done this - updated to 0.9.6 from Cooker, with associated libpng upgrade? And if so, has it broken any applications? I'm thinking specifically of things like Evolution, Konqueror, Opera, GIMP, etc. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
