Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 17:30, you wrote: Thanks Derek, I've found drakbackup and I am downloading right now Mondo. One thing puzzles me though. I can see how these programmes can from the desktop so to speak create backup files , and I can see how they might write to disc from desktop, but I cannot see how one restores from CD still in the desktop. You are asking the system to write over it's own existance, so to speak. All other restore backup programmes I have ever worked with create a mini OS in memory of the basic hardware and load a small graphical programme into memory as well, to do the restore. Can someone please explain this to me. John Well in the case of Mondo the first CD in the set it creates is a bootable CD with its own mini Linux distro on it. You just boot from that CD and then you can restore partions,directories or the entire installation. Trouble with Mondo is it needs 7 CD's for my system so I cannot be bothered running it very often. Now that explains it. I've downloaded and installed Mondo and Mini, (I though this was a Robbin Williams joke , at first) Have yet to create the bootdisks, I assume like the others backup programmes of this type you can do the whole lot in this mode, if you want, which would mean that once you have created the CD then you could remove the programme from desktop if you so wish. However from my point of view this seems to have the two obvious poor points that it is both commandline only,and more importantly ,has poor compression, but it's not to be ruled out. Your post reminded me to take a closer look at drakbackup which I had not looked at since the 8.2beta2. Drakbackup makes an incremental backup to ftp, or a Directory (local or NFS) at present. It does not backup to CD, and it only backs up home directories, the /etc directory and other directories you specify. The thinking there is you can restore the other folders by installing again from your install CD's so you only need to backup the 'volatile' data. Drakbackup can be run from the GUI or the terminal, although I have not been able to get it to run in a cron job yet. Now I like the gui , seems simple enough, and I got it doing something, but as a system backup it hardly equates. The whole point of creating an OS backup is to do away with all those hours of install and configuration. The aim is to create a pristine new install with everything in apple pie order, and back it up to discs so that you can replace it anytime you want in a few minutes, PQ drive image would take about half an hour to do an OS of about 2.5gigs and I suppose I am looking for a replacement in the linux world in this manner. I guess one does not exist ? Another problem with drakbackup appears that it is unable to create multiple disk files for writing to CD discs. I mean 2.5 to 3.0gigs of OS even with full compression is at least 2 discs worth in any backup system. To date no one has mentioned dump. Anyone know anything about this programme. Is it any use for OS backups. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 May 2002 1:18 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I have never managed to get to grips with the linux method of OS backups. It goes without saying they are big files, with the need to create compressed multi CD writes. So how do you backup Linux OS's , write them to CD, and restore. I don't bother (but your needs may be different from mine) :) What I do is: - - make sure I save the list of packages chosen to floppy when installing Mandrake; - - copy all .rpm and .tar.gz files not into the Mandrake 8.2 baseline to CD-R every week; - - write a script which .tar.bz2s and encrypts settings I want to keep in /home, Mail directory etcetera then copies it to my FTP site (every day) and CD-R (every week); - - copy my ADSL modem drivers to CD-R as well. Then, when it comes to a reinstall, I: - - reformat and install Mandrake using the floppy to restore the package settings; - - copy the ADSL modem drivers from CD-R; - - ftp the kept settings, decrypt and decompress then run another script to put them back; - - do a few urpmi and configure/make/make install to install from the .rpm and .tar.gz files on CD-R. The whole reinstall from scratch takes about 45 minutes. I'm not clear why you need to have a byte-by-byte copy of the existing setup (which, in my case, would be a dreadful idea as my various experiments would probably have half-wrecked the configuration it was keeping :) Alastair - -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE89hylCv59vFiSU4YRAozNAKC5fOO5YgBuQvXxc2GhQRqUsz2pFgCfVKre YR6iE4jMkttP4ee8+VVUDzc= =I3kt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
SNIP Well in the case of Mondo the first CD in the set it creates is a bootable CD with its own mini Linux distro on it. You just boot from that CD and then you can restore partions,directories or the entire installation. Trouble with Mondo is it needs 7 CD's for my system so I cannot be bothered running it very often. Now that explains it. I've downloaded and installed Mondo and Mini, (I though this was a Robbin Williams joke , at first) Have yet to create the bootdisks, I assume like the others backup programmes of this type you can do the whole lot in this mode, if you want, which would mean that once you have created the CD then you could remove the programme from desktop if you so wish. However from my point of view this seems to have the two obvious poor points that it is both commandline only,and more importantly ,has poor compression, but it's not to be ruled out. SNIP Mondo actually does quite good compression. You can set it for up to 7 levels of compression. I think my problem is in defining the partitions to back up. I think it tries to back up my Windows partition as well which in turn has a backup image of my sons computer. (He is still in 'transit' from Windows to Linux) Its hard to know with Mondo what it is going to backup until it actually does it. I am clearly doing something wrong since even by excluding almost every directory in sight it still makes a backup of 5 CDs derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OS BACKUPS
I have never managed to get to grips with the linux method of OS backups. It goes without saying they are big files, with the need to create compressed multi CD writes. So how do you backup Linux OS's , write them to CD, and restore. The only utility I know of is dump , it's command line, which scares me stiff where backups are conscerned, all that time and effort spent configuring your OS, and it can so easily go wrong, but still there is a time for all men to learn and perhaps this is mine. One thing to consider, I am dual linux booting,and therefore have /boot /root /swap partitions. Do I create seperate backups for each, or one big backup file . Obviously one doesn't back up the /swap partiton. Hitherto I have always used a drive image programme. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 1:18 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I have never managed to get to grips with the linux method of OS backups. It goes without saying they are big files, with the need to create compressed multi CD writes. So how do you backup Linux OS's , write them to CD, and restore. The only utility I know of is dump , it's command line, which scares me stiff where backups are conscerned, all that time and effort spent configuring your OS, and it can so easily go wrong, but still there is a time for all men to learn and perhaps this is mine. One thing to consider, I am dual linux booting,and therefore have /boot /root /swap partitions. Do I create seperate backups for each, or one big backup file . Obviously one doesn't back up the /swap partiton. Hitherto I have always used a drive image programme. John Two solutions for you John 1/ Mondo http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ It is on your CD's but I think the latest version is better. It will comoress and copy your image to multiple CDs Very hihjly spoken of, but I'm afraid it is command line. 2/ drakbackup - It is in the rpm drakxtools on your CD In a root terminal just type drakbackup and you get a nice little GUI complete with a wizard. I have no idea why this application is not in Mandrake Control Centre. It was in there in Mandrake 8.2beta2, but somehow it got taken out again. HTH derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 12:48, you wrote: So how do you backup Linux OS's , write them to CD, and restore. Two solutions for you , John 1/ Mondo http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ It is on your CD's but I think the latest version is better. It will comoress and copy your image to multiple CDs Very hihjly spoken of, but I'm afraid it is command line. 2/ drakbackup - It is in the rpm drakxtools on your CD In a root terminal just type drakbackup and you get a nice little GUI complete with a wizard. I have no idea why this application is not in Mandrake Control Centre. It was in there in Mandrake 8.2beta2, but somehow it got taken out again. HTH derek Thanks Derek, I've found drakbackup and I am downloading right now Mondo. One thing puzzles me though. I can see how these programmes can from the desktop so to speak create backup files , and I can see how they might write to disc from desktop, but I cannot see how one restores from CD still in the desktop. You are asking the system to write over it's own existance, so to speak. All other restore backup programmes I have ever worked with create a mini OS in memory of the basic hardware and load a small graphical programme into memory as well, to do the restore. Can someone please explain this to me. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 4:44 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: On Wednesday 29 May 2002 12:48, you wrote: So how do you backup Linux OS's , write them to CD, and restore. Two solutions for you , John 1/ Mondo http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ It is on your CD's but I think the latest version is better. It will comoress and copy your image to multiple CDs Very hihjly spoken of, but I'm afraid it is command line. 2/ drakbackup - It is in the rpm drakxtools on your CD In a root terminal just type drakbackup and you get a nice little GUI complete with a wizard. I have no idea why this application is not in Mandrake Control Centre. It was in there in Mandrake 8.2beta2, but somehow it got taken out again. HTH derek Thanks Derek, I've found drakbackup and I am downloading right now Mondo. One thing puzzles me though. I can see how these programmes can from the desktop so to speak create backup files , and I can see how they might write to disc from desktop, but I cannot see how one restores from CD still in the desktop. You are asking the system to write over it's own existance, so to speak. All other restore backup programmes I have ever worked with create a mini OS in memory of the basic hardware and load a small graphical programme into memory as well, to do the restore. Can someone please explain this to me. John Well in the case of Mondo the first CD in the set it creates is a bootable CD with its own mini Linux distro on it. You just boot from that CD and then you can restore partions,directories or the entire installation. Trouble with Mondo is it needs 7 CD's for my system so I cannot be bothered running it very often. Your post reminded me to take a closer look at drakbackup which I had not looked at since the 8.2beta2. Drakbackup makes an incremental backup to ftp, or a Directory (local or NFS) at present. It does not backup to CD, and it only backs up home directories, the /etc directory and other directories you specify. The thinking there is you can restore the other folders by installing again from your install CD's so you only need to backup the 'volatile' data. Drakbackup can be run from the GUI or the terminal, although I have not been able to get it to run in a cron job yet. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OS BACKUPS
Are you running the Beta version of drakbackup Jerry? I'm running version 1.0 from drakxtools-1.1.7-98.1mdk and it does not offer CD backup, but I notice the changelog says some 'unstable features' were removed in January to satisfy Mandrake QA Sorry no idea about toto. derek On Wednesday 29 May 2002 10:35 pm, Jerry wrote: I ran drakbackup in /usr/sbin from a root command prompt and it did give me the option to backup the entire system or parts.. and option for cd-rom.. but it's saying i need to install toto. i did a search in the 8.2 disks for toto, looked on rpmfind.net for toto, ... nothing anyone know what this toto is? are we not in kansas anymore ? lol thanks Jerry On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 10:30, Derek Jennings wrote: On Wednesday 29 May 2002 4:44 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: On Wednesday 29 May 2002 12:48, you wrote: So how do you backup Linux OS's , write them to CD, and restore. Two solutions for you , John 1/ Mondo http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ It is on your CD's but I think the latest version is better. It will comoress and copy your image to multiple CDs Very hihjly spoken of, but I'm afraid it is command line. 2/ drakbackup - It is in the rpm drakxtools on your CD In a root terminal just type drakbackup and you get a nice little GUI complete with a wizard. I have no idea why this application is not in Mandrake Control Centre. It was in there in Mandrake 8.2beta2, but somehow it got taken out again. HTH derek Thanks Derek, I've found drakbackup and I am downloading right now Mondo. One thing puzzles me though. I can see how these programmes can from the desktop so to speak create backup files , and I can see how they might write to disc from desktop, but I cannot see how one restores from CD still in the desktop. You are asking the system to write over it's own existance, so to speak. All other restore backup programmes I have ever worked with create a mini OS in memory of the basic hardware and load a small graphical programme into memory as well, to do the restore. Can someone please explain this to me. John Well in the case of Mondo the first CD in the set it creates is a bootable CD with its own mini Linux distro on it. You just boot from that CD and then you can restore partions,directories or the entire installation. Trouble with Mondo is it needs 7 CD's for my system so I cannot be bothered running it very often. Your post reminded me to take a closer look at drakbackup which I had not looked at since the 8.2beta2. Drakbackup makes an incremental backup to ftp, or a Directory (local or NFS) at present. It does not backup to CD, and it only backs up home directories, the /etc directory and other directories you specify. The thinking there is you can restore the other folders by installing again from your install CD's so you only need to backup the 'volatile' data. Drakbackup can be run from the GUI or the terminal, although I have not been able to get it to run in a cron job yet. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie]OS idenity,Dhcp Eth0 and more!!
Phil, I am one of the lucky ones. I am using the Road Runner service, and I have had no problem connecting with Linux. I got my connection working by going to DrakConfNetwork and Internet Configuration and then selecting 'Configure cable connection'. If memory serves me, I did have to go into Linuxconfig and set the DNS info manually. I also re-booted to make sure my changes took effect. (Can you tell I'm a windows convert?) Now, I'm no expert, but a couple things come to mind; 1). Is it possible that your RR franchise has given you a static IP address, and is not using DHCP? 2). You may need to set a specific host name. Check with customer support. 3). I'm sure you've already checked this, but what the heck, I'll ask anyway. Is your network card supported under Linux? If you have everything set up correctly, you may just have to wait a while for the dhcp server to dole you out an IP address. Hope that helps, Andy On Monday 16 April 2001 00:22, you wrote: Any comments thanks in advance?? When i run ifup eth0 I get an error message unable to get ip info via dhcpcd. I have went thru netconf a dozen times.If i am using dhcp then no need to enter the Ip address or any of the other things DNS etc. Correct? FYI: Linux for Windows (7.2 Mandrake) on a Hp 600mhz ceoron 256mb ram, realtek networkcard trying to get online via Cable modem Road Runner acess.
Re: [newbie] OS idenity,Dhcp Eth0 and more!!
Yes when i still bring do ifup eth0 i still get IP info via dhcpcd failed At 08:29 PM 4/15/2001, you wrote: Phil, Have you tried the below page? I have DSL myself, so I can't vouch for its accuracy. However, I have found mandrakeuser.org to be reliable for finding help in other areas. http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/ccable.html Dave On Sunday 15 April 2001 21:23, thus spake phil: Any comments thanks in advance?? When i run ifup eth0 I get an error message unable to get ip info via dhcpcd. I have went thru netconf a dozen times.If i am using dhcp then no need to enter the Ip address or any of the other things DNS etc. Correct? FYI: Linux for Windows (7.2 Mandrake) on a Hp 600mhz ceoron 256mb ram, realtek networkcard trying to get online via Cable modem Road Runner acess. I have read everthing online(well almost) And Tried almost Everything. concerning Road Runner Cable service,Apparently I am not the only Linux user that has tried to get online thru Road Runner? Does anyone know anything about if my eth0 card is Bind to the dhcp,could that be the prob? From what I have read I really think that Road runner would prefer that I stick with Windows. from further reading http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap-fingerprinting-article.html http://www.sans.org/newlook/resources/IDFAQ/TCP_fingerprinting.htm Even though with DHCP the OS should not matter right?IN THEORY. Could Road runner be preventing me from getting online thru there service?THey are able to Idenify Your OS Is Linux considered the Hackers OS? to some people Although that is not my intentions! I enjoy trying to get Linux to run, And after all this Windows Quite boring. I might as well sign up for AOLaargh LOL PS please dont flame me. -- "...[W]e preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Cor 1:23-24)
[newbie]OS idenity,Dhcp Eth0 and more!!
Any comments thanks in advance?? When i run ifup eth0 I get an error message unable to get ip info via dhcpcd. I have went thru netconf a dozen times.If i am using dhcp then no need to enter the Ip address or any of the other things DNS etc. Correct? FYI: Linux for Windows (7.2 Mandrake) on a Hp 600mhz ceoron 256mb ram, realtek networkcard trying to get online via Cable modem Road Runner acess. I have read everthing online(well almost) And Tried almost Everything. concerning Road Runner Cable service,Apparently I am not the only Linux user that has tried to get online thru Road Runner? Does anyone know anything about if my eth0 card is Bind to the dhcp,could that be the prob? From what I have read I really think that Road runner would prefer that I stick with Windows. from further reading http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap-fingerprinting-article.html http://www.sans.org/newlook/resources/IDFAQ/TCP_fingerprinting.htm Even though with DHCP the OS should not matter right?IN THEORY. Could Road runner be preventing me from getting online thru there service?THey are able to Idenify Your OS Is Linux considered the Hackers OS? to some people Although that is not my intentions! I enjoy trying to get Linux to run, And after all this Windows Quite boring. I might as well sign up for AOL aargh LOLPS please dont flame me.
RE: [newbie] OS boot order
when machine boots and yu c start-up for linux hit f1 the type lnx4win, that's it... Thanks, Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jas Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OS boot order yo you got lnx4win working i still can't get it working ive been trying to find a solution for a week no answers. Maybe you would know since you actually have it. Can you tell me what exactly you did when you installed lnx4win because i just cant get to my gui for some reason . - Original Message - From: "Erik Salisbury" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: [newbie] OS boot order i recently installed mandrake 7.2 with the lnx4win feature, and i love it! the only problem (or invonvenience) that i have faced is the OS boot list that comes up allowing you to chose what OS to go into (linux, windows, and the other options). linus is on the top, though...and while i think linux is really great, i still currently use windows much more frequently. is there any way to put windows on the top of the list so that it is the default loader (if nothing else is selected in the 5 seconds or whatever)? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thank you very much! -erik BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;Bill Addison FN:Bill Addison ORG:The Locate Corner, Inc. NOTE:We specialize in hard to locate collateral TEL;WORK;FAX:(678) 292-4071 ADR;WORK:;(770) 251-5433;P.O.B.98;Moreland;Ga.;30259;United States of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:(770) 251-5433=0D=0AP.O.B.98=0D=0AMoreland, Ga. 30259=0D=0AUnited States of = America URL: URL:http://www.The-Locate-Corner.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Bill@The-Locate-Corner. com REV:20010126T195515Z END:VCARD
[newbie] OS boot order
i recently installed mandrake 7.2 with the lnx4win feature, and i love it! the only problem (or invonvenience) that i have faced is the OS boot list that comes up allowing you to chose what OS to go into (linux, windows, and the other options). linus is on the top, though...and while i think linux is really great, i still currently use windows much more frequently. is there any way to put windows on the top of the list so that it is the default loader (if nothing else is selected in the 5 seconds or whatever)? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thank you very much! -erik
Re: [newbie] OS boot order
yo you got lnx4win working i still can't get it working ive been trying to find a solution for a week no answers. Maybe you would know since you actually have it. Can you tell me what exactly you did when you installed lnx4win because i just cant get to my gui for some reason . - Original Message - From: "Erik Salisbury" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: [newbie] OS boot order i recently installed mandrake 7.2 with the lnx4win feature, and i love it! the only problem (or invonvenience) that i have faced is the OS boot list that comes up allowing you to chose what OS to go into (linux, windows, and the other options). linus is on the top, though...and while i think linux is really great, i still currently use windows much more frequently. is there any way to put windows on the top of the list so that it is the default loader (if nothing else is selected in the 5 seconds or whatever)? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thank you very much! -erik
Re: [newbie] OS Sucks-Rules-o-Meter
I noticed it, but I couldn't view it or save it to a file. I decided to leave it be, in the hope it wasn't anything intresting. - Original Message - From: Doug McGarrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] OS Sucks-Rules-o-Meter Whoever you are: DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS TO THE LIST. NOT EVER! Of course I erased it. I'm not crazy. I don't need any viruses or other gadgets. DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS. NEVER! At 18:34 08/29/2000 +, you wrote: For anyone who hasn't seen this, it really is quite intersting http://srom.zgp.or
[newbie] OS Sucks-Rules-o-Meter
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Re: [newbie] OS Sucks-Rules-o-Meter
Whoever you are: DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS TO THE LIST. NOT EVER! Of course I erased it. I'm not crazy. I don't need any viruses or other gadgets. DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS. NEVER! At 18:34 08/29/2000 +, you wrote: For anyone who hasn't seen this, it really is quite intersting http://srom.zgp.or
Re: [newbie] OS/2 and Beos
"Matt G. Ellis" wrote: No. OS/2 is not a Linux clone, infact it was co-developed by micrsoft (for a short while) as the Windows/DOS killer. In fact (gasp) a significant portion of Windows 95 code came out of OS/2 -- something made possible by Microsoft and IBMs parting agreement when the OS/2 collaboration was killed. -Stephen-
[newbie] OS/2 and Beos
sorta off topic here but arn't os/2 and beos linux/unix clones adn where can you download os/2 or can ya had Beos and it wouldn't find my hardware modem can ya believe it found my winmodem with no trouble but my hardware modem dodn't exist LOL MicroSoft Get's Hit With Anti Trust And Bill Has A hissy fit Look Out Winblows The Courts Want Linux To The Future Of Linux Together Let's Crush Microsoft And Take BAck Our Desktops
[newbie] OS
Q: How many Internet mailing list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? Nice one David. At the same time as I posted the odd digit fact I sent a copy to Bill Gates. I've had an email from an M$VP assuring me that Windows 3111 will correct this problem but it's too far ahead to give me a price in the UK. I read all the group mail. Problem is that both my linux boxes run OK and do all I want of them. John the Nadger http://www.goon.freeuk.com
Re: [newbie] OS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: How many Internet mailing list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? Nice one David. At the same time as I posted the odd digit fact I sent a copy to Bill Gates. I've had an email from an M$VP assuring me that Windows 3111 will correct this problem but it's too far ahead to give me a price in the UK. Now THAT's humor! Thanks for the laugh John -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
