Re: [newbie] Partitioning questions
erm...I have no boot partition with lilo, a 2gi /partition and no home partition. Works through. I store a lot of data of my other hard drive which is full of fat32. It is weird, it wont do linux and it will not boot windows. I think it has a bad cilender. I found an alternative boot loader to lilo or grub, and this makes linux a bit more reliable by preventing windows from doing anything to it. Its calld the-switch-I-put-in-the-power-cables. Since I have 3 hard drives, all is working well. - Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lance Dow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Partitioning questions Lance, It sounds like our systems are identical. I'm running the same thing. The answers to your questions are simple enough. 1) Win95 will run on any size partition. I've had it running already on a 3.5GB, 5GB, and 13.5GB. No problem. 2) partition your linux partitions thusly: a real basic setup for a large disk sytem that will use LILO as a boot loader. /boot = 15MB / = however big you want to make it. (at least 3 GB) (the filesystem root) /home = at the very least 500MB - more if you're going to have more than one user You don't have to worry about 'how' the installation process knows how to put everything where it needs to go. For now you'll you have to take it on faith. It knows exactly where to put things. It can see and read the partition tables, understands the table definitions and loads things up accordingly. If you don't want to use LILO you can use the other boot loader called GRUB which doen't require a /boot partition since it's equiped to handle cylinder sizes above 1024. LILO can't see beyond this which is why a large disk needs to be partitioned with a /boot partition. Even with the use of Grub I still prefer to setup a /boot partition because it allows, in my opinion, the system to boot faster and more efficiently. Be ABSOLUTELY sure to create a 'boot' disk while you're installing Mandrake. In the event that something happens to your boot loader, or you're working on windows and wipe your MBR, where LILO and GRUB live, you will need that boot disk to be able to get back into Linux and reinstall your boot loader program. If you need any more assistance don't hesitate to holler. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Lance Dow wrote: Hi there In spite of all the horror stories I've been reading here in this forum over the last couple of weeks, I've decided to install Linux-Mandrake 7.1 on my PC. In preparation for this event I've been doing a lot of RTFM-ing (reading manuals and HOWTOs, for those who need a translation). One idea that appeals to me is having separate partitions for /, /boot, /home, etc. While the FMs are full of useful detail, they all seem to *just* fall short of answering my question. So I turn to the Linux-newbie brains trust for assistance. Right. I have a 13.6G disk drive which I want to set up as a dual-boot system. Once I've got Linux running, I plan to copy the Windows files from my existing drive onto the FAT32 partition of the new drive. My Windows system currently has a 3.2G disk partitioned as 2G and 1.2G (roughly). I have a lot of spare room on this so I think I can get by with a single 3G FAT32 partition on the new disk. [On reflection, this might not work as I'm still using Win95. I seem to recall this not being able to handle partitions over 2G.] So, with around 10G at my disposal for Linux, my first question is "How big do I need to make the individual partitions to use this space efficiently and effectively?" The second question is, having created all these partitions, how does the install program know which is which, so that what needs to go into /home (for example) actually goes to the right partition? As a Linux newbie I'm likely to want to install everything that comes with the distro, and probably install and try lots of other stuff as the months go by. I'd like to create an environment that doesn't make this any more difficult than it needs to be. For what it's worth my current system is three years old and uses an AMD K6 233 with 64M of RAM. I expect to upgrade it in the next few months to something like an Athlon 700 with maybe 128M of RAM. I look forward to your learned responses. Thanks in advance. Regards (Another) Lance
Re: [newbie] Partitioning questions
Rudimentary my dearehm... I like it! --Greg I found an alternative boot loader to lilo or grub, and this makes linux a bit more reliable by preventing windows from doing anything to it. Its calld the-switch-I-put-in-the-power-cables. Since I have 3 hard drives, all is working well. __ message envoye depuis http://www.ifrance.com emails (pop)-sites persos (espace illimite)-agenda-favoris (bookmarks)-forums Ecoutez ce message par tel ! : 08 92 68 92 15 (france uniquement)
Re: [newbie] Partitioning questions
I had to use it. Windows 95 insists on booting from hda, which is the only drive big enough to put linux on. Linux needs the whole drive. I fixed it by putting windows on another hard drive, the other hda. Selecting between them is done with a switch in the power cable and a few relays. windows hda is only 500mi, so I also have hdc which is slightly damaged 2gi. The slight damage makes it useless for anything except as a fat32 frive, and it cant boot. The system has an added advantage, it prevents windows from overwriteing lilo. - Original Message - From: Greg Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Partitioning questions Rudimentary my dearehm... I like it! --Greg I found an alternative boot loader to lilo or grub, and this makes linux a bit more reliable by preventing windows from doing anything to it. Its calld the-switch-I-put-in-the-power-cables. Since I have 3 hard drives, all is working well. __ message envoye depuis http://www.ifrance.com emails (pop)-sites persos (espace illimite)-agenda-favoris (bookmarks)-forums Ecoutez ce message par tel ! : 08 92 68 92 15 (france uniquement)
[newbie] Partitioning questions
Hi there In spite of all the horror stories I've been reading here in this forum over the last couple of weeks, I've decided to install Linux-Mandrake 7.1 on my PC. In preparation for this event I've been doing a lot of RTFM-ing (reading manuals and HOWTOs, for those who need a translation). One idea that appeals to me is having separate partitions for /, /boot, /home, etc. While the FMs are full of useful detail, they all seem to *just* fall short of answering my question. So I turn to the Linux-newbie brains trust for assistance. Right. I have a 13.6G disk drive which I want to set up as a dual-boot system. Once I've got Linux running, I plan to copy the Windows files from my existing drive onto the FAT32 partition of the new drive. My Windows system currently has a 3.2G disk partitioned as 2G and 1.2G (roughly). I have a lot of spare room on this so I think I can get by with a single 3G FAT32 partition on the new disk. [On reflection, this might not work as I'm still using Win95. I seem to recall this not being able to handle partitions over 2G.] So, with around 10G at my disposal for Linux, my first question is "How big do I need to make the individual partitions to use this space efficiently and effectively?" The second question is, having created all these partitions, how does the install program know which is which, so that what needs to go into /home (for example) actually goes to the right partition? As a Linux newbie I'm likely to want to install everything that comes with the distro, and probably install and try lots of other stuff as the months go by. I'd like to create an environment that doesn't make this any more difficult than it needs to be. For what it's worth my current system is three years old and uses an AMD K6 233 with 64M of RAM. I expect to upgrade it in the next few months to something like an Athlon 700 with maybe 128M of RAM. I look forward to your learned responses. Thanks in advance. Regards (Another) Lance
Re: [newbie] Partitioning questions
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Lance Dow wrote: appeals to me is having separate partitions for /, /boot, /home, etc. While /boot can be between 10 and 50 megs, depending on your hunger to play with different kernels. I have a 15 meg partition for it, with 5 kernels on it and 11 megs free. / with me is 1.5 Gb, don't know if that is a lot or not. /home is 4 GB, and I have a separate 8Gb /usr partition also. The second question is, having created all these partitions, how does the install program know which is which, so that what needs to go into /home (for example) actually goes to the right partition? Don't worry, it knows :) As a Linux newbie I'm likely to want to install everything that comes with the distro, and probably install and try lots of other stuff as the months go by. I'd like to create an environment that doesn't make this any more difficult than it needs to be. If you want to install everything, you will at least need 13Gb, if you just install the first 2 CD's! Paul -- Some people will never burn out, for they were never on fire to begin with... )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21+Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: [newbie] Partitioning questions
Lance, It sounds like our systems are identical. I'm running the same thing. The answers to your questions are simple enough. 1) Win95 will run on any size partition. I've had it running already on a 3.5GB, 5GB, and 13.5GB. No problem. 2) partition your linux partitions thusly: a real basic setup for a large disk sytem that will use LILO as a boot loader. /boot = 15MB / = however big you want to make it. (at least 3 GB) (the filesystem root) /home = at the very least 500MB - more if you're going to have more than one user You don't have to worry about 'how' the installation process knows how to put everything where it needs to go. For now you'll you have to take it on faith. It knows exactly where to put things. It can see and read the partition tables, understands the table definitions and loads things up accordingly. If you don't want to use LILO you can use the other boot loader called GRUB which doen't require a /boot partition since it's equiped to handle cylinder sizes above 1024. LILO can't see beyond this which is why a large disk needs to be partitioned with a /boot partition. Even with the use of Grub I still prefer to setup a /boot partition because it allows, in my opinion, the system to boot faster and more efficiently. Be ABSOLUTELY sure to create a 'boot' disk while you're installing Mandrake. In the event that something happens to your boot loader, or you're working on windows and wipe your MBR, where LILO and GRUB live, you will need that boot disk to be able to get back into Linux and reinstall your boot loader program. If you need any more assistance don't hesitate to holler. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Lance Dow wrote: Hi there In spite of all the horror stories I've been reading here in this forum over the last couple of weeks, I've decided to install Linux-Mandrake 7.1 on my PC. In preparation for this event I've been doing a lot of RTFM-ing (reading manuals and HOWTOs, for those who need a translation). One idea that appeals to me is having separate partitions for /, /boot, /home, etc. While the FMs are full of useful detail, they all seem to *just* fall short of answering my question. So I turn to the Linux-newbie brains trust for assistance. Right. I have a 13.6G disk drive which I want to set up as a dual-boot system. Once I've got Linux running, I plan to copy the Windows files from my existing drive onto the FAT32 partition of the new drive. My Windows system currently has a 3.2G disk partitioned as 2G and 1.2G (roughly). I have a lot of spare room on this so I think I can get by with a single 3G FAT32 partition on the new disk. [On reflection, this might not work as I'm still using Win95. I seem to recall this not being able to handle partitions over 2G.] So, with around 10G at my disposal for Linux, my first question is "How big do I need to make the individual partitions to use this space efficiently and effectively?" The second question is, having created all these partitions, how does the install program know which is which, so that what needs to go into /home (for example) actually goes to the right partition? As a Linux newbie I'm likely to want to install everything that comes with the distro, and probably install and try lots of other stuff as the months go by. I'd like to create an environment that doesn't make this any more difficult than it needs to be. For what it's worth my current system is three years old and uses an AMD K6 233 with 64M of RAM. I expect to upgrade it in the next few months to something like an Athlon 700 with maybe 128M of RAM. I look forward to your learned responses. Thanks in advance. Regards (Another) Lance
Re: [newbie] Partitioning questions
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:12:45 +0100,Lance wrote: One idea that appeals to me is having separate partitions for /, /boot, /home, etc. --- Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:33:32 a perfect idea Lance, as It mirrors my thoughts precisely 8-), in my opinion the most important one to have separate is /home...that way you can install op sys and format other partitions without losing your personal files and settings...makes it the prime candidate for backups also. One caution...if you make separate partitions for /usr and usr local ...do not make my mistake and spell them /user and user local with the rediculous assumption that Linux can spell.usr ..hrumph! Otherwise the install will filter into the correct partitions automatically. While the FMs are full of useful detail, they all seem to *just* fall short of answering my question. So I turn to the Linux-newbie brains trust for assistance. I also ran into this, and the reason for it is, there is no correct answer that will work for every system...so everyone talks around the issue and you never get an answer that is meaningful. another caution here...a lot of the info you will find was written way back when hard drives were the size of dimes and will not depict your requirements for your thirteen gig drive. but no matter how you carve it up in about three weeks you will see that you should have done it some other wayfor my purposes 13g is way larger than I need so I am just holding my plan for some future install with room to spare for now. Right. I have a 13.6G disk drive which I want to set up as a dual-boot system. Once I've got Linux running, I plan to copy the Windows files from my existing drive onto the FAT32 partition of the new drive. My Windows system currently has a 3.2G disk partitioned as 2G and 1.2G (roughly). I have a lot of spare room on this so I think I can get by with a single 3G FAT32 partition on the new disk. [On reflection, this might not work as I'm still using Win95. I seem to recall this not being able to handle partitions over 2G.] If you are really running fat 32 you must have a later version W95a is restricted to fat 16 and 2.1g drives...but you can make a 2g and a one gig to get threein fact I would make two 2g fat 16 partitions and still be below the cylinder limit for lilo easy, as that occurs at near 8 gigIf that is a consideration for the version of lilo you are planning to install? W95a does like to be the first os on the disk though, you might want to install it before linux? with usr and var and all on my 2g root partition it is running 71% usage with a 6.1 mdk install, the lions share of this is usr, next time I will have them in a partition of their own . later Olly P Biloxi Mississippi
Re: [newbie] Partitioning Questions
Alex Flinsch wrote: I will be getting my new system on Monday evening, and intend on converting it to a dual boot win98/linux system. Anyway, I will have a whole 8.4G drive totally devoted to Linux and was wondering what the optimal partitioning scheme and mount points should be. Anyway I realize that the above question is somewhat subjective and based upon the intended usage of the machine. What I plan on using it for is mostly learning Linux/Unix type of programming (I'm a MVS guy with 15 years experience looking for something new). I am also considering on using it to share a cable or dsl modem with some win98 machines in the house sometime early next year ( don't know which yet as both the phone comapny and cable company have promised access in early February, but I am leaning towards dsl). Any ideas on installation options and partitioning schemes? I am open to all ideas. For a newbie, first time install, I'd suggest: 10M /dev/hda1 /boot 127M/dev/hda2 swap 8.3G/dev/hda3 / Nice and easy and you'll probably never run out of space in some odd little partition. Actually, that's what my home machine looks like. It doesn't provide any Internet services, so I don't have alot of worries about people on the outside screwing with the machine. The server we installed at work is, of course, a bit more detailed in it's partitioning. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
