Re: [newbie] Re: Frontpage like application for Linux
On Monday 11 February 2002 08:46 am, Chuck Henson wrote: At 02:29 AM 2/11/02 +0100, you wrote: Now Hanan, why on earth use a mediocre WYSIWYG-editor when it's so simple to write real HTML ? As a web designer myself, I can only give one answer. There is no excuse for using a mediocre editor when there are some very good ones available. At least ones that can handle the more monotonous tasked involved in page layout. Then as long, as long as you do know how to hand code, you can shape things up as you see fit, and make things happen much more quickly in my opinion. I wouldn't throw Dreamweaver away if you paid me to. Of course, I can't get it to work with Linux so I'm forced to have a Windows/Linux partition battle. Anyhow, if I had to loose DW then I would probably still try to use NoteTab, UltraEdit, or HTML-kit to make things a little bit more automated. Thank you! I used to use UltraEdit and was quite satisfied with the way it works. I agree that Quanta has equivalent or better functionality, though, plus it runs on Linux. If that's the SOLE reason you're keeping Windows,kill it! Cathal ap Donnchadh ... Tobar naomh, ruith a steach mise! Teinne naomh, ls a steach mise! Crann naomh, fas a steach mise! ... My Gaelic's rusty. What does this translate as? Off-list is fine. Regards, David R -- Natives who beat drums to drive off evil spirits are objects of scorn to smart Americans who blow horns to break up traffic jams. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Frontpage like application for Linux
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:25:49 -0600 David Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] revealed these words to me: snip Thank you! I used to use UltraEdit and was quite satisfied with the way it works. I agree that Quanta has equivalent or better functionality, though, plus it runs on Linux. If that's the SOLE reason you're keeping Windows,kill it! snip hi, if its of any interest, i have run ultra-edit in linux using the transgaming winex (well i was just testing what applications i could run ;-). it's usable so you could try installing it using winex to your all-linux platform but YMMV. ciao! -- Programming, an artform that fights back. = Anuerin G. Diaz Design Engineer Millennium Software, Incorporated 2305 B West Tower, Philippines Stocks Exchange Center, Exchange Road, Ortigas Center, Pasig City Tel# 638-3070 loc. 72 Fax# 638-3079 = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: Frontpage like application for Linux
Geee.. Thanks everyone :-) I really liked blufish boy this linux box is like a box of wonders .. u never know how FULL it is !! one more thing... why do I have the feeling that everybody is trying to sned me the message: hey ... using a WYSIWYG app is not considered a good thing ?? :-) -- Hanan Z. Shargi Registered Linux User# 259916 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Frontpage like application for Linux
On Sunday 10 February 2002 06:28 pm, Hanan Z. Shargi wrote: Geee.. Thanks everyone :-) I really liked blufish boy this linux box is like a box of wonders .. u never know how FULL it is !! one more thing... why do I have the feeling that everybody is trying to sned me the message: hey ... using a WYSIWYG app is not considered a good thing The problem is that most WYSIWYG editors don't know how to code as well as the average human. HTML may be simpler than some languages out there but that doesn't mean it doesn't have its complexities. Having 47 different font tag changes in a document isn't good coding practice, but it's what I end up with after FrontPage gets ahold of my average page. (Well, they weren't there before). The computer may not understand that I really DO want to keep the same font throughout the same page. That's why I like Quanta - I can code the way I want, then see it immediately (though admittedly it doesn't do too well with Server Side Includes, but that's what Konq is for). Style sheets are also a Good Thing, though not all older browsers use them well. Another good link is the Backward Compatability Viewer at http://www.delorie.com/web/wpbcv.html - this lets you see your webpage under virtually any still-used browser out there. Heck, if you want mail me off the list and I'll send you my bookmarks for HTML editing. It took me about 4 days of crash course studying to learn most of the new tricks, and I hadn't touched HTML since about version 2.0. The three books I have on my desk, in addition to the websites, are: QUE's Special Edition Using HTML 4, Fifth Edition (probably not the most recent, but it's what the library had), by Molly E. Holzschlag. This one is good for beginner to midrange resources, sort of like a readable HTML bible. Effective Web Design, Second Edition, by Ann Navarro. This one covers the topic of XHTML/XML fairly well. JavaScript for the World Wide Web, 3rd Edition, by Tom Negrino and Dori Smith. I realize not everyone uses JavaScript but I found the book pretty well written. Hope that helps, David R ?? :-) -- Hanan Z. Shargi Registered Linux User# 259916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: -- Natives who beat drums to drive off evil spirits are objects of scorn to smart Americans who blow horns to break up traffic jams. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Frontpage like application for Linux
Hanan Z. Shargi wrote: Geee.. Thanks everyone :-) I really liked bluefish boy this linux box is like a box of wonders .. u never know how FULL it is !! one more thing... why do I have the feeling that everybody is trying to send me the message: hey ... using a WYSIWYG app is not considered a good thing ?? :-) Hanan, that's because using a WYSIWYG-editor is WEB-Cockney ! - It labels you as an illaterate fool ! - Of course, that's not your fault, but no WYSIWYG-editor - so far - complies to WWW-standards. Most of them - especially M$ Front Page - assumes that the reader of the pages so created uses EXACTLY the same browser, i.e. M$ Internet Explorer. In fact, that's a perversion of the original idea, created by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN about 1995 : a simple mark-up-language, readable by all and everyone owning a simple browser, for instance Mosaic. During the first years, several improved browsers appeared, i.e. Netscape, but eventually commercialazition entered the scene : Micro$oft ! - The result : fragmentation, imcompatibilities, arrogance and merciless rip-off of naive costumers prevails. Now Hanan, why on earth use a mediocre WYSIWYG-editor when it's so simple to write real HTML ? If you have something to tell the world, use the simplest possible editor and reach everyone ! Regards Kaj Haulrich Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
