Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 21 March 2004 13:48, robin wrote: It's hard to judge on just one release, since there's always variation between releases anyway (9.1 was a PITA for me, as was 8.1 - if I were superstitious, I'd definitely give 10.1 a skip). For me, installing 10.0 was a doddle, but configuring it gave me more fun than anything since RedHat 6.0 (Oh, those happy days of hacking modelines!). Still, I'd say the Community Edition is for the established community, not for anyone trying out Linux for the first time. That's my feeling, too. As for comparing releases, it's just about impossible. What is brilliant on one machine is a total disaster on others. 8.2 is lauded by most, but was a disaster for me. 9.0 worked, more or less and 9.1 was brilliant - I'm reluctant to change this box. There are no easy answers, but it's certainly an issue that has to be considered when thinking of giving linux to non-techy users. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXVKFkFAvMr/nNX8RAhrSAJ9SKoJfOXYs1jJLAREEUHgG6RfYuQCdGmkI gioau23Sn/NUiinlSu3o6GQ= =OsCk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Sunday 21 March 2004 09:29, Anne Wilson wrote: snip That's my feeling, too. As for comparing releases, it's just about impossible. What is brilliant on one machine is a total disaster on others. 8.2 is lauded by most, but was a disaster for me. 9.0 worked, more or less and 9.1 was brilliant - I'm reluctant to change this box. There are no easy answers, but it's certainly an issue that has to be considered when thinking of giving linux to non-techy users. /snip Like you Anne, I was reluctant to install 10.0 what with having spent weeks to get 9.2 running well. But surprise : yesterday I shuffled the CD2 into the cupholder and lo and behold, one hour later 10.0 CE runs like a charm. Not only that, it runs about 30 % faster, especially KDE. And, for the first time, I took the option of installing the updates right away, during the initial install. Everything worked well. Only minor glitches (so far) : Now my printer (HP 3820) performs some (noisy) drills during the boot process - but after a while it works. I had a /data partition (hda4) on 9.2, but 10.0 insisted to mount it as /mnt/windows (it is a FAT32 partition), but I don't like to see that word on my otherwise clean machine. So I had to edit fstab in order to get things straight. I'm a little confused about the Mandrake Update. Seems that the normal update repositories are gone and all updates are on the same directory, just with higher version numbers. Haven't browsed that many mirrors, though. Although I'm a Club Silver Member, I haven't been able to get my hands on Acrobat Reader or RealPlayer, but I can live with that. All in all : what a nice experience ! Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.3 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 21 March 2004 13:22, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Like you Anne, I was reluctant to install 10.0 what with having spent weeks to get 9.2 running well. But surprise : yesterday I shuffled the CD2 into the cupholder and lo and behold, one hour later 10.0 CE runs like a charm. Not only that, it runs about 30 % faster, especially KDE. And, for the first time, I took the option of installing the updates right away, during the initial install. Everything worked well. Only minor glitches (so far) : It's hard to guess whether my best bet is to stick to 9.2 and try to get it running, or start on 10. My main constraint on that box is that I have had an offer I can't refuse. A member of the wylug has offered me the loan of his video capture card to see whether it fills my need - it's £129 to buy, so it will be nice to try it first. He is bringing it to the next meeting. By that time I want a stable install. If I have to go back to 9.1 I'll do that, leaving a bare partition to install 10 later. Now my printer (HP 3820) performs some (noisy) drills during the boot process - but after a while it works. I had a /data partition (hda4) on 9.2, but 10.0 insisted to mount it as /mnt/windows (it is a FAT32 partition), but I don't like to see that word on my otherwise clean machine. So I had to edit fstab in order to get things straight. Minor issues, I agree. The frustrating thing about this 9.2 install is that it has lost the things that were working. I had network printing working to this box, but it didn't work yesterday. I know that the lack of time over the past month has contributed to my problems, but it is most frustrating. You think that once something is fixed it will stay fixed. I'm a little confused about the Mandrake Update. Seems that the normal update repositories are gone and all updates are on the same directory, just with higher version numbers. Haven't browsed that many mirrors, though. - From what is being said on the expert list, it sounds as though 10 gets its updates from cooker. Although I'm a Club Silver Member, I haven't been able to get my hands on Acrobat Reader or RealPlayer, but I can live with that. I'd really miss AR. I like it for its print options. All in all : what a nice experience ! Sounds encouraging - but then we are back to what performs really well on one box is hopeless on another. I'm not a gambler, but it looks as though gambling is inevitable for now. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXZp8kFAvMr/nNX8RAoLfAJwL15d2Na6bg99LGYa8TIPmxOw8YgCfcin7 pJCv5CNphT9c7TfFhYCKr1k= =8aC7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
For RealPlayer and Acrobat, I suggest you take a look at the vendors websites. I have just been to adobe.com for acrobat for Winsucks, and there was a whole list I had to choose from. Linux, MAC, FreeBSD etc... as for realplayer, I'm sure I got the RPM for rp8 from the real site. If youre struggling, I have the RPM here, so I could always send it to you. On 9.2, Acrobat seems to be integrated into Konqueror, so thats what I use for .pdf work. HTH, JRH - Original Message - From: Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community On Sunday 21 March 2004 09:29, Anne Wilson wrote: snip That's my feeling, too. As for comparing releases, it's just about impossible. What is brilliant on one machine is a total disaster on others. 8.2 is lauded by most, but was a disaster for me. 9.0 worked, more or less and 9.1 was brilliant - I'm reluctant to change this box. There are no easy answers, but it's certainly an issue that has to be considered when thinking of giving linux to non-techy users. /snip Like you Anne, I was reluctant to install 10.0 what with having spent weeks to get 9.2 running well. But surprise : yesterday I shuffled the CD2 into the cupholder and lo and behold, one hour later 10.0 CE runs like a charm. Not only that, it runs about 30 % faster, especially KDE. And, for the first time, I took the option of installing the updates right away, during the initial install. Everything worked well. Only minor glitches (so far) : Now my printer (HP 3820) performs some (noisy) drills during the boot process - but after a while it works. I had a /data partition (hda4) on 9.2, but 10.0 insisted to mount it as /mnt/windows (it is a FAT32 partition), but I don't like to see that word on my otherwise clean machine. So I had to edit fstab in order to get things straight. I'm a little confused about the Mandrake Update. Seems that the normal update repositories are gone and all updates are on the same directory, just with higher version numbers. Haven't browsed that many mirrors, though. Although I'm a Club Silver Member, I haven't been able to get my hands on Acrobat Reader or RealPlayer, but I can live with that. All in all : what a nice experience ! Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.3 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Although I'm a Club Silver Member, I haven't been able to get my hands on Acrobat Reader or RealPlayer, but I can live with that. The old versions of commercial software should work on 10.0 - certainly RealPlayer does, as I've just installed it. One exception is the nVidia drivers, for which you have to download the latest versions. Sir Robin -- Have you googled yet? Willow, she's seventeen! - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Sunday 21 March 2004 15:39, JRH wrote: For RealPlayer and Acrobat, I suggest you take a look at the vendors websites. I have just been to adobe.com for acrobat for Winsucks, and there was a whole list I had to choose from. Linux, MAC, FreeBSD etc... as for realplayer, I'm sure I got the RPM for rp8 from the real site. If youre struggling, I have the RPM here, so I could always send it to you. On 9.2, Acrobat seems to be integrated into Konqueror, so thats what I use for .pdf work. HTH, Yes, thank you very much, JRH. I just finished installing RealPlayer8 - and some 9-codecs as well - Flashplayer and Acrobat Reader 5.0.8. Everything without a hiccup. Have all the commercial vendors become Linux-friendly all of a sudden ? Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer* * running Linux kernel 2.6.3 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Sunday 21 March 2004 12:49, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Sunday 21 March 2004 15:39, JRH wrote: Yes, thank you very much, JRH. I just finished installing RealPlayer8 - and some 9-codecs as well - Flashplayer and Acrobat Reader 5.0.8. Everything without a hiccup. Have all the commercial vendors become Linux-friendly all of a sudden ? Kaj Haulrich. Saw this over on cooker ML yesterday (posted by a Clive Dove), in case anybody needs a flash player source. BTW, they decided that posting it to contrib wouldn't be a good idea, since the flashplayer is not open source: In a thread in alt.os.linux.mandrake, Gary G. Taylor pointed to a fedora site with package flash-plugin-6.0.81-1.i386.rpm Accordingly, I checked with the Macromedia mirrors and the new version is there in both rpm and tarball packages, The mirrors are: USA West - http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/macromedia/site_ucsc.html USA East - http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/macromedia/site_ru.html Hawaii - http://macromedia.mplug.org/site_uh.html Europe - http://macromedia.rediris.es/site_ri.html I have downloaded and installed the rpm package and have removed the old libstdc++210 package and the flashplayer works fine without the old library. Perhaps the new version should be added to the contrib mirrors. Clive -- 14:00:59 up 1 day, 3:38, running Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586, kernel 2.6.3-4mdk Registered Linux user #324360 Why use Windows, since there is a door? (By [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andre Fachat) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
Asa Rossoff wrote: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] exclaimed, I haven't forgotten, Charlie. As has happened once or twice before, you got the backlash when I'm feeling fed up about people who know very little about the os installing what is still, really, cooker, then complaining. Sorry. You didn't deserve that. Hi Anne. I'm new to Mandrake, and new to Linux even... but my impression from the Mandrake's announcement of the Community Edition's purpose was that the C.E. could be expected to be _as reliable_ as the standard releases of the past -- and the new final edition would be even _more reliable_. So if I had tried to install 10.0 without reading the posts of other users' tribulations, I would have probably been surprised and dissapointed to find it buggier than 9.2 was out of the box. As it is, I didn't put myself through that :) .. I'm still trying to get 9.2 running smoothly. It's hard to judge on just one release, since there's always variation between releases anyway (9.1 was a PITA for me, as was 8.1 - if I were superstitious, I'd definitely give 10.1 a skip). For me, installing 10.0 was a doddle, but configuring it gave me more fun than anything since RedHat 6.0 (Oh, those happy days of hacking modelines!). Still, I'd say the Community Edition is for the established community, not for anyone trying out Linux for the first time. Sir Robin -- Have you googled yet? Willow, she's seventeen! - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 18, 2004 02:32 pm, John Zoetebier wrote: whack Mandrake web site mentiones explicitly that people who want a rock solid release should wait for Mandrake Official, which is relase 2 - 3 months after Community edition. Mandrake Community Edition is for the explorers under us. I recently tried mandrake 9.2 for the first time since years on a Toshiba laptop. I am very impressed with the stability (zero defects) and the quality of the display under KDE (just is good as Windows 2000, more user friendly than Windows XP) Regards, You're not really telling me anything I didn't know or that I cared about here. Thanks. When I'm doing installs and upgrades for free the last thing I need is to have to return to the same address 2 or 3 Months later to have to re-install or upgrade a system. Again for free. The first look excitement will be gone and the potential Open Source convert will be a Windows lock-in again until they decide a new system is in order. How many shots do I have to lead a person out of the darkness? Especially if that install won't work because it wasn't properly debugged in QA. It makes me feel and look stupid, and it doesn't do a Hell of a lot for MandrakeSoft's reputation either. As to why anyone should care; they shouldn't. At all. But remember that of the people that I've assembled systems for, and introduced to GNU/Linux by installing Mandrake, more than half have spent money to support the company. Whether box sets or memberships. It's good to know that you're so happy, it would be even better if I hadn't posted such a gripe in the first place. I'm starting not to give a damn. I'm also thinking it's time for me to drop Mandrake mail list subscriptions again, permanently this time. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org No sooner had Edger Allen Poe Finished his old Raven, then he started his Old Crow. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWxtqZqvqlrLPr5YRAqmHAJ4qszEGiDvkaiPT06k3Eq0NESGPRQCgpphG XPPFVNSIvWsVuFVMZPiN4Us= =KS2f -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 16:10, Charlie Mahan wrote: It makes me feel and look stupid, and it doesn't do a Hell of a lot for MandrakeSoft's reputation either. MandrakeSoft can't do right, whatever they do. With recent versions they've been bad-mouthed for releasing distros with insufficient testing. Not enough people can or want to run cooker, so this time they announced that the release would be around three months later, but available for download at the usual time for those who love to mess around with bleeding edge. The moral's simple - if you don't want to do that, wait for the full release. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWzGpkFAvMr/nNX8RAhlFAJ9PvyPsjYNkYwiaTjSyJKFevhKVCwCfVWHo ukwszRzGP4Qun6rizM29WaU= =Ms2F -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 19, 2004 10:45 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 16:10, Charlie Mahan wrote: It makes me feel and look stupid, and it doesn't do a Hell of a lot for MandrakeSoft's reputation either. MandrakeSoft can't do right, whatever they do. With recent versions they've been bad-mouthed for releasing distros with insufficient testing. Not enough people can or want to run cooker, so this time they announced that the release would be around three months later, but available for download at the usual time for those who love to mess around with bleeding edge. The moral's simple - if you don't want to do that, wait for the full release. Anne As with almost everyone that's responded directly to my complaints Anne you're assuming that I don't want to test. That's the opposite of the facts. I not only want to test on my own system, I want to do a test (at least) install on every system I assemble for someone else. Then if it's stable enough I'll usually set up an easy way for the owner(s) to keep it current and send an e-mail with instructions on how and when to change the sources from cooker/beta/release candidate whatever to the current stable repositories. Or show up and do it for them myself. The point of my continuing and soon to terminate diatribes has been that I found the Won't boot from disk 1 problem at the first pre beta cooker snapshot and posted about it on cooker, then kept trying every new release and hoped for a clue as to why. Now someone is working on the bugalmost 8 weeks later. In simple language the point was this; I've been trying for _two freakin' months_ to install the release so that I *could* test it. It ain't working, there are no message displayed anywhere, it's almost as though the system hangs without locking anything but the CD-ROM and the display. I can understand ignoring bug reports with no information. That isn't what I did since I couldn't _find any information_ because the disk wouldn't boot, and some versions would boot but wouldn't go past stage 1, graphically or in text mode. With or without flags. The moral therefore is even simpler; people need to remember how much complaining about Mandrake I've done in the years I've been on these lists versus how much I've tried to help others. With that in mind it may be advisable to either; 1.) ignore me totally as happens on the rare occasion that I post on cooker, or; 2.) learn to read and try to understand what I actually did post and why. There's no need to jump to Mandrake's defense here. The statement; in context, was that if the installer doesn't work at all, or if a working Windows install is terminated and destroyed due to installer action such problems make me *and MandrakeSoft* look stupid and does not help develop a reputation for Quality. Locally anyway. I've kicked this dead horse long enough. I'm dropping it. Warm regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org If I promised you the moon and the stars, would you believe it? -- Alan Parsons Project -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAW0uwZqvqlrLPr5YRAjevAJ0Zh6PFAxQtvjO5dIa5RXuYn5hvQQCeKRGd E4+QPzNESwum5Rq+Tk7N7fc= =MHZP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 19:36, Charlie Mahan wrote: snip I've kicked this dead horse long enough. I'm dropping it. /snip Just to let you know, Charlie : You have been a tremendous help here on the list, and I would be very sorry indeed if you decide to leave. Kaj Haulrich. I am sure we all echo that. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Friday 19 March 2004 03:26 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 19:36, Charlie Mahan wrote: snip I've kicked this dead horse long enough. I'm dropping it. /snip Just to let you know, Charlie : You have been a tremendous help here on the list, and I would be very sorry indeed if you decide to leave. Kaj Haulrich. I was just about to post the same sentiment Kaj. Charlie, if you need to, just take a break for a while. I do so all the time ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Friday 19 March 2004 04:02 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 03:26 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 19:36, Charlie Mahan wrote: snip I've kicked this dead horse long enough. I'm dropping it. /snip Just to let you know, Charlie : You have been a tremendous help here on the list, and I would be very sorry indeed if you decide to leave. Kaj Haulrich. I was just about to post the same sentiment Kaj. Charlie, if you need to, just take a break for a while. I do so all the time ;) Charlie, what can I say--I always read your posts, even when I'm not interested in the topic. BTW, to dredge up an old topic (or hijack this one, as the case may be), I can't get Flash6 to run on 9.2 either, but Flash5 works fine. Someone else had this problem, and I think you said you didn't have it. The Flash6 rpm installs with no errors and the 2 Flash6 files are in the proper directory, but it won't work with Moz. Copy the 2 Flash5 files to the plugins dir. and Moz sees it instantly. Strange. e. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:33:54 -0700, Charlie Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 18, 2004 12:31 pm, JoeHill wrote: Despite the problems above, I must say that I have re-affirmed my trust to Mandrake Linux. All previous Mandrakes were filled with dissapointment for me, but this time I believe MandrakeSoft has created something that is much-much better than in the past. If MandrakeSoft pulls it off and fixes the problems above, they got a winner. In fact, I believe that this is the highest score I ever gave to any Linux distro so far. Link: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6327 Better than 9.2? Wow. I must be missing something, cuz 9.2 is (until I send this) pretty rock solid, and I can't think of anything I'm missing. Must...resist...urge...to...upgrade... I wasn't overly enamoured of 9.2 to be perfectly honest. While it was an improvement over 9.1 in many ways there were things that I didn't find user friendly. Some of the repetitive problems/posts on this and other lists are evidence of that IMHO. rant mode Don't_need_to_resist_urge_to_upgrade._ Not all is coming up roses for everyone, and I'd be a total jerk if I didn't mention my weekend. Mandrake 10 will not install at all on my system. Period. One of the systems that RC1 installed on without trouble died a horrible death when I tried to upgrade it to 10.0 Community Edition on the weekend. I then tried to upgrade via ftp to full cooker with even less success. It self destructed to the point that it corrupted the partition table beyond recognition and that wonderful trick destroyed the Windows install that was on the disk as well. Recovery required a full low level format and re-partitioning of the hard drive with the manufacturer's disk utilities, and a re-install of Windows. Since the customer no longer had the RC1 disks, and since Community Edition and trying an ftp install from the (then) current boot.iso both tried to do the same thing all over again they are running Windows only for now. They're using a Knoppix disk to satisfy their GNU/Linux jones. I thought the idea was to get rid of the rest of the FSCKING bugs by using Community as a final testing/bug hunting release, then having an Official Release, not screw up what was already working. sigh I'll give it the rest of this week and next; but after that if the same shit is happening Mandrake can colour me gone. Along with my friends/customers/acquaintances/family. /rant mode Apologies for the rant. Mandrake web site mentiones explicitly that people who want a rock solid release should wait for Mandrake Official, which is relase 2 - 3 months after Community edition. Mandrake Community Edition is for the explorers under us. I recently tried mandrake 9.2 for the first time since years on a Toshiba laptop. I am very impressed with the stability (zero defects) and the quality of the display under KDE (just is good as Windows 2000, more user friendly than Windows XP) Regards, -- John Zoetebier Web site: http://www.transparent.co.nz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 21:32, John Zoetebier wrote: Mandrake web site mentiones explicitly that people who want a rock solid release should wait for Mandrake Official, which is relase 2 - 3 months after Community edition. Mandrake Community Edition is for the explorers under us. I recently tried mandrake 9.2 for the first time since years on a Toshiba laptop. I am very impressed with the stability (zero defects) and the quality of the display under KDE (just is good as Windows 2000, more user friendly than Windows XP) Regards, ...dang - and I'm still running 9.1+ stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Get Revenge! Live long enough to be a problem for your children! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:53:49 +1100 Stephen Kuhn disseminated the following: ...dang - and I'm still running 9.1+ well, if you would sit still for awhile, maybe someone would mail you the 9.2 ISO's ;-) ...unless you've finally got broadband...? -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 17:45:10 up 7 days, 8:15, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ One of the most dangerous errors of our time is the belief that human beings are uniquely violent animals, barely restrained from committing atrocities on each other by the constraints of ethics, religion, and the state. -- Eric S. Raymond Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 09:46, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:53:49 +1100 Stephen Kuhn disseminated the following: ...dang - and I'm still running 9.1+ well, if you would sit still for awhile, maybe someone would mail you the 9.2 ISO's ;-) ...unless you've finally got broadband...? I have this inane habit of moving into areas where I can't get broadband. Can't get wireless where I'm at now, neither. I have customers that have broadband, but it's rather slack of me to suck up their bandwidth ya reckon? I'll wait for the 9.2 ISO's or the 10c ISO's to get sent...patiently... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- nerd pack, n.: Plastic pouch worn in breast pocket to keep pens from soiling clothes. Nerd's position in engineering hierarchy can be measured by number of pens, grease pencils, and rulers bristling in his pack. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Thursday 18 March 2004 02:53 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 09:46, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:53:49 +1100 Stephen Kuhn disseminated the following: ...dang - and I'm still running 9.1+ well, if you would sit still for awhile, maybe someone would mail you the 9.2 ISO's ;-) ...unless you've finally got broadband...? I have this inane habit of moving into areas where I can't get broadband. Can't get wireless where I'm at now, neither. I have customers that have broadband, but it's rather slack of me to suck up their bandwidth ya reckon? I'll wait for the 9.2 ISO's or the 10c ISO's to get sent...patiently... My tennant just moved in he has a microwave connection 29.00/mo 850kb down and 256 up sob and the phillistine is running Win$ux stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- nerd pack, n.: Plastic pouch worn in breast pocket to keep pens from soiling clothes. Nerd's position in engineering hierarchy can be measured by number of pens, grease pencils, and rulers bristling in his pack. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Some positive reviews for 10.0 Community
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:53:12 +1100 Stephen Kuhn disseminated the following: I'll wait for the 9.2 ISO's or the 10c ISO's to get sent...patiently... If yer gonna be in one place awhile, I'll make good on that commitment to mail 'em to ya, plus all that other shite. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 19:22:10 up 7 days, 9:52, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ The United States Drug Enforcement Agency estimates pot smuggling from the western province of British Columbia alone is worth more than $1 billion a year. This is *very* bad, because Bush and his pals are not seeing one dime of that. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
