Re: [newbie] SCO reversal -- Or is it this week's installment of User Friendly
On August 29, 2003 03:36 pm, Sharrea Day wrote: So they've changed their minds then... surprise, surprise... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050642514.html Sharrea Ye Gads! If nothing else this article shows all the flip-flops, changes of mind (assuming that SCO has a mind to change), selective threats and FUD, and a general sense of utter confusion on the part of SCO. But, of course, according to Marshall McBride what they are really standing up for are IP rights of old technology companies in the 21st Century..people that can't cut it on their own. It was interesting to read some tool maker who can't sell his products for love nor money because the gcc complier and tools suites run circles around his stuff. He's moaning because it's free and blames that not the minor fact that it's simply better. Of course, later in the day, SCO changed it's mind again saying we may or may not sue you depending on the time of day, the tides, phase of the moon and after discovery of the entrails of a crow that dropped on their front lawn dead of West Nile. All this cheered on by semi survivors of the dot com bubble who still believe that free lunches, something for nothing and a shiny used Beamer somehow translates into a profit. Do you think Illiad at User Friendly might have thought this up and it's all just a really awfull nightmare? ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On August 30, 2003 04:37 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: snip Maybe what the bloke in Sydney said doesn't gel with the yank stance from SCO's HQ in Mormonland, but it's quite close to the truth of where they're standing right now. Aussies just don't have that colourful bullshit like the American CEO's have. No, Aussies have thier own, much improved version of colourful bullshit that leaves people like McBride gasping in the outback dust. It's one of the few things about the Aussie national character that I wish we Canucks would take on. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 08:36, Sharrea Day wrote: So they've changed their minds then... surprise, surprise... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050642514.html Sharrea I think the point is more that they're finding out what little (if any) grounds they've got; this whole thing has been a sham/scam - there could be heaps of darkness behind it...either which, though, as has been shown, shareholders have reaped the benefits of the scare...Microsoft could be deep behind the whole scene as has been speculated... Either which, no matter what, they're going to loose and go down in infamy... -- Sat Aug 30 09:00:00 EST 2003 09:00:00 up 4 days, 22:46, 3 users, load average: 1.61, 1.09, 0.99 - |____ | illawarra computer services| | /-oo /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn | | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-13mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * If you are of the opinion that the contemplation of suicide is sufficient evidence of a poetic nature, do not forget that actions speak louder than words. -- Fran Lebowitz, Metropolitan Life Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
Sounds to me like its the old directors, panicking that SCO can't cut it, do something to bump up the share price, sell at inflated price and then watch it all go under and hope nobody notices that they made a tidy little earner on the side. Trouble is they have upset to many people for that kind of thing to go unnoticed! -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 07:03:05 up 9:46, 2 users, load average: 0.77, 0.81, 0.71 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
Sharrea Day wrote: So they've changed their minds then... surprise, surprise... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050642514.html Sharrea operative words being, Today SCO also said it had no current plans to take a commercial Linux customer to court. So it's going to sue non-commercial users, ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:53:56 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharrea Day wrote: So they've changed their minds then... surprise, surprise... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050642514.html Sharrea operative words being, Today SCO also said it had no current plans to take a commercial Linux customer to court. So it's going to sue non-commercial users, ? John I think the reply was from someone in Sydney that has drunk too much Fosters. It doesn't gel with the rest of the PR. I think its a c-ck-up! A retraction / reversal wouldn't be handled this way. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 03:53, John Richard Smith wrote: Sharrea Day wrote: So they've changed their minds then... surprise, surprise... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050642514.html Sharrea operative words being, Today SCO also said it had no current plans to take a commercial Linux customer to court. So it's going to sue non-commercial users, ? John or the plans are for the future, therefore no 'current' plans. all plans to sue are for some time in the future, our current plans are to keep everyone off balance and try to cover our asses while we attempt to throw out more 'red herrings'. come to think of it, isn't herrings what penguins eat? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On 30 Aug 2003 08:11:58 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: come to think of it, isn't herrings what penguins eat? Holy Mary Mother of God, that's what this has all been about??!! Now SCO is going to demand that the Linux community find the largest tree in the forest and chop it down with a... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ If you fool around with something long enough, it will eventually break. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
Michael Adams wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:53:56 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharrea Day wrote: So they've changed their minds then... surprise, surprise... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050642514.html Sharrea operative words being, Today SCO also said it had no current plans to take a commercial Linux customer to court. So it's going to sue non-commercial users, ? John I think the reply was from someone in Sydney that has drunk too much Fosters. It doesn't gel with the rest of the PR. I think its a c-ck-up! A retraction / reversal wouldn't be handled this way. I agree, it's too off the cuff remark like. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:02:44 +1200 Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I think the reply was from someone in Sydney that has drunk too much Fosters. It doesn't gel with the rest of the PR. I think its a c-ck-up! A retraction / reversal wouldn't be handled this way. I'm the list Nazi todayplease set your line wrap at less than 72 characters... Thanks! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Immortality -- a fate worse than death. -- Edgar A. Shoaff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
ed tharp wrote: On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 03:53, John Richard Smith wrote: Sharrea Day wrote: So they've changed their minds then... surprise, surprise... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050642514.html Sharrea operative words being, Today SCO also said it had no current plans to take a commercial Linux customer to court. So it's going to sue non-commercial users, ? John or the plans are for the future, therefore no 'current' plans. all plans to sue are for some time in the future, our current plans are to keep everyone off balance and try to cover our asses while we attempt to throw out more 'red herrings'. come to think of it, isn't herrings what penguins eat? Of course you are right don't need to even sue , just threaten to sue, so really it needs a big firm like IBM to force the issue, with a pre-emptive strike via the courts to settle the matter once and for all. Though knowing the legal profession nothing is once and for all. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On 30 Aug 2003 09:38:00 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: no, you do fine,,,(it seems to me) Stephen Kuhns numbers are down this month, from his normally expansive and impressive digits. Hopefully it is just while he earns some cash to pay for his case mod habit g Blaster and Sobig are paying his bills and much much more, plus I think taking up a lot of his time... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Saturday 30 August 2003 09:24 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I think the reply was from someone in Sydney that has drunk too much Fosters. It doesn't gel with the rest of the PR. I think its a c-ck-up! A retraction / reversal wouldn't be handled this way. I agree, it's too off the cuff remark like. This may be something very specific to the Australia region. Like Germany, there is a Linux group there threatening to sue to force SCO to stop making unsubstantiated remarks about Linux violating their IP. They may be trying to get this group to lay off additional lawsuits that provide a counter to their FUD. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On 30 Aug 2003 09:38:00 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 09:25, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 30 Aug 2003 2:03 pm, ed tharp wrote: On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 08:47, HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:02:44 +1200 Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I think the reply was from someone in Sydney that has drunk too much Fosters. It doesn't gel with the rest of the PR. I think its a c-ck-up! A retraction / reversal wouldn't be handled this way. I'm the list Nazi todayplease set your line wrap at less than 72 characters... Thanks! Are you sure it is your day/week? on my 'list-nazi schedule' your week does not start until Sunday.g I still have it as Anne's week. but I also notice that she took over for Stephen while he was busy... maybe the schedule is in need of updating. Oops - Have I been slacking? g Anne no, you do fine,,,(it seems to me) Stephen Kuhns numbers are down this month, from his normally expansive and impressive digits. Hopefully it is just while he earns some cash to pay for his case mod habit g Or possibly He needs more slim dusty cds G -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Friday August 29 2003 08:56 pm, David E. Fox wrote: So they've changed their minds then... surprise, surprise... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050642514.html hahahahahaa Now it's our turn. Isn't false presentment of legal action where no action is contemplated actionable in an of itself? I work in a collections company and it's possible for our company to be sued if we tell a person we are going to take a certain action and not have an intent of pursuing that action. If they've attempted (using that letter) to create a debtor-consumer relationship vis a vis the linux community or corporate users, SCO may have violated the law. That's what SCO said Friday mornin, later in the day they changed their tune ... again http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11273 -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Saturday 30 August 2003 08:11 am, ed tharp wrote: come to think of it, isn't herrings what penguins eat? Best comment I've seen on this whole sorry mess. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Saturday 30 Aug 2003 5:14 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday August 29 2003 08:56 pm, David E. Fox wrote: That's what SCO said Friday mornin, later in the day they changed their tune ... again http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11273 Not quite sure what Blake Stowell did say :-( For some reason on some sites I have problems such as you can see on the attached file Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? attachment: webpage.jpgWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 23:38, ed tharp wrote: no, you do fine,,,(it seems to me) Stephen Kuhns numbers are down this month, from his normally expansive and impressive digits. Hopefully it is just while he earns some cash to pay for his case mod habit g Oy - I could quite easily be like OTHERS that we know - and spend my time and money and efforts on say, beer, booze (Sir Robin might get offended on that note), wacky-tabacky or other assundry nonproductive items...I'll have you know that just by showcasing my cases I've sold some systems...a-hem...(yeah, the wife likes the money coming into the house...goes so nicely on her finger...picture to follow sometime shortly) -- Sat Aug 30 23:50:01 EST 2003 23:50:01 up 5 days, 13:36, 3 users, load average: 1.09, 0.96, 0.91 - |____ | illawarra computer services| | /-oo /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn | | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-13mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Once harm has been done, even a fool understands it. -- Homer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 23:03, ed tharp wrote: Are you sure it is your day/week? on my 'list-nazi schedule' your week does not start until Sunday.g I still have it as Anne's week. but I also notice that she took over for Stephen while he was busy... maybe the schedule is in need of updating. Why not let Anne be the ListNazi for a while longer? She likes having that kinda power over us ratbags... -- Sat Aug 30 23:50:01 EST 2003 23:50:01 up 5 days, 13:36, 3 users, load average: 1.09, 0.96, 0.91 - |____ | illawarra computer services| | /-oo /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn | | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-13mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Once harm has been done, even a fool understands it. -- Homer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 11:56, David E. Fox wrote: Now it's our turn. Isn't false presentment of legal action where no action is contemplated actionable in an of itself? I work in a collections company and it's possible for our company to be sued if we tell a person we are going to take a certain action and not have an intent of pursuing that action. If they've attempted (using that letter) to create a debtor-consumer relationship vis a vis the linux community or corporate users, SCO may have violated the law. What's this may have shit? They HAVE violated US laws (and international laws as well); attempting to extort the public for license fees where no fees are to be paid? Waddafrag ya call that? ...and why do y'all think the SUDDEN TURNAROUND? Hmmm? Don't y'all reckon the FTC's starting to sniff around them a bit more than they originally were? SCO's done heaps illegally; driving up share prices so that shareholders can sell off stock...ain't that called insider trading? Hmmm...not to mention the damage they've done and will continue to do until they're shut down - damaging small companies, large companies - spreading FUD is just as damaging as well, mate... Every dog has his day. Their's is coming. -- Sat Aug 30 17:20:00 EST 2003 17:20:00 up 5 days, 7:06, 3 users, load average: 0.87, 0.81, 0.57 - |____ | illawarra computer services| | /-oo /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn | | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-13mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * The happiest time of a person's life is after his first divorce. -- J.K. Galbraith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SCO reversal
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 19:02, Michael Adams wrote: I think the reply was from someone in Sydney that has drunk too much Fosters. It doesn't gel with the rest of the PR. I think its a c-ck-up! A retraction / reversal wouldn't be handled this way. 1.) If it's truly from Sydney, they certainly wouldn't be drinking Fosters. VB or Toohey's - possibly. Fosters - NOT. 2.) SCO ain't being looked on quite nicely here in Oz...Australian's have to pay incredible amounts of money for American software that generally ends up being more trouble than it's worth, so the general attitude right now toward either Microsoft or SCO ain't a good one. A lot of people are seeking to move to GNU/linux due to many reasons - ONE is that it ain't controlled by a yank company. Sorry to piss off my fellow countrymen, but it ain't like I'm a patriot to Big Biz anyways. 3.) There are an unbelievable amount of linux users here - those that dual boot and those that are just hardcore into it full on, flat out and over the top. That group ain't been happy with the SCO charade. Go figure. 4.) SCO's on the verge of loosing out in Australia very shortly. A lot of medical based systems were BOUND to SCO and due to it's lack of flexibility, lack of performance, lack of really anything modern, a few agencies are looking to get out of the contracts they have because, well, Unixware sucks bigtime, and doesn't have near the feature set that GNU/linux has - nor will it ever. Maybe what the bloke in Sydney said doesn't gel with the yank stance from SCO's HQ in Mormonland, but it's quite close to the truth of where they're standing right now. Aussies just don't have that colourful bullshit like the American CEO's have. -- Sat Aug 30 21:30:00 EST 2003 21:30:00 up 5 days, 11:16, 3 users, load average: 0.72, 0.78, 0.69 - |____ | illawarra computer services| | /-oo /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn | | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-13mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Look out! Behind you! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] SCO reversal
So they've changed their minds then... surprise, surprise... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/29/1062050642514.html Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
