[newbie] linux versus windows
I'm not trying to be unreasonable but I have worked on linux for well over a year and Id like to say that linux is greater than windows stability etc. But I've have enough of the critism that is passed around by the linux community, whats the matter with you people Bill Gates made a system that is so easy to use that an idiot could use it and add to it on the fly, and as for servers all companies that I have been to don't use linux for their servers they use NT, When I spend the time and the money which is scarce to download software for my linux off the Internet and run the installation it never works and what's more is that in order to get it to work if have know all about programming and text based linux/Unix if you like, and yet If you don't use this flavor of linux well too bad now you have have to learn a new flovour so that you get the feature you like. And 4 months later ... If you which to compete with windows you have to create a product that has have builtin server tools that an idiot can use, a graphic frontend that an idiot can understand, easy software addition that is idiot proof and just works No matter what I try to add i always need something else. I have 3 pcs on a network and flavours of linux on they are all unstable worse than windows ever was. So if you want to come and watch how when I insert a picture into netscape composer or office 2000 or even wordperfect eight how it crashes, the program just disspears off the screen and one has to start all over again. Star Office is so slow that I could go and have a 3 course meal while it eats up my cpu time and slows my pc down to the speed of a 486 sx before its ready to use. And yet is is advertised that you could run linux on a 486 with 16mb ram , I think somebody should pull that statement back. What more is that I did my courses on windows before I changed my bussiness to linux and I promise that windows is fussy about they condition of hardware and if your hardware is perfect windows will run well and without to much trouble bearing in mind it is only a machine. Freezing and hanging etc.. in win95 was fixed in 98 and yes buggered up in 2000. So in conclution I ask anyone out there If there is a flavour of linux that has server and tools built in for use as a pdc dns etc. the grapghic front end that i easy to understand and if i try to run the vmware that i bought for 400 dollars will it work with out telling me my kernel is an asshole and i must now try mdk, and loose the nice file manger that did my networking for me in corel os. Or Ihave a nice set of graphic tools suse but (cad3d) it's to complicated and takes months wich no in modern times can afford to spend learning . So now I'll just have corel because I can manage my network in the network neighbourhood that is like windows but now I cant do my graphic design because corel only provides me with and unstable gimp . this is where I would much prefer to just put windows back on all my pcs becuase I just cant win with this linux. so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in corel linux os v1.1 in my mandrake. I want a graphic ppp dialer that does not give the deamon died error all the time i want a download manager of some description and I want stability. More I want somethong that does not require me to try and be what I am not Iam not a c++ programer or software research and devepement, I am a user and thats what I do I run my bussiness and I play games and I download things to playwith then I sort the in network neighbourhood a pass on the good stuff to the others on my network simply by means of drag and drop or cut and paste ( quick and efficient)and that is what I do with my pc every night until 2am. Please Dont take this mail as an Insult or as an attack Iam simply stating the factsas I have experienced them PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . thanks Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 012 3332276
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
Hey, NO Flames on this one please, it is a desperate cry for HELP. I for one am having some difficulty in getting some thingys to work in Linux MDK as well and have so much to learn with reading all of this mail not much time each day to do some work on this system. I am NOT complaining most of this is MY prob, but I sympathize with Chadley on this and would like to read some constructive assistance for this... don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew. On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:31:49 -0700 Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not trying to be unreasonable but I have worked on linux for well over a year and Id like to say that linux is greater than windows stability etc. But I've have enough of the critism that is passed around by the linux community, whats the matter with you people Bill Gates made a system that is so easy to use that an idiot could use it and add to it on the fly, and as for servers all companies that I have been to don't use linux for their servers they use NT, When I spend the time and the money which is scarce to download software for my linux off the Internet and run the installation it never works and what's more is that in order to get it to work if have know all about programming and text based linux/Unix if you like, and yet If you don't use this flavor of linux well too bad now you have have to learn a new flovour so that you get the feature you like. And 4 months later ... If you which to compete with windows you have to create a product that has have builtin server tools that an idiot can use, a graphic frontend that an idiot can understand, easy software addition that is idiot proof and just works No matter what I try to add i always need something else. I have 3 pcs on a network and flavours of linux on they are all unstable worse than windows ever was. So if you want to come and watch how when I insert a picture into netscape composer or office 2000 or even wordperfect eight how it crashes, the program just disspears off the screen and one has to start all over again. Star Office is so slow that I could go and have a 3 course meal while it eats up my cpu time and slows my pc down to the speed of a 486 sx before its ready to use. And yet is is advertised that you could run linux on a 486 with 16mb ram , I think somebody should pull that statement back. What more is that I did my courses on windows before I changed my bussiness to linux and I promise that windows is fussy about they condition of hardware and if your hardware is perfect windows will run well and without to much trouble bearing in mind it is only a machine. Freezing and hanging etc.. in win95 was fixed in 98 and yes buggered up in 2000. So in conclution I ask anyone out there If there is a flavour of linux that has server and tools built in for use as a pdc dns etc. the grapghic front end that i easy to understand and if i try to run the vmware that i bought for 400 dollars will it work with out telling me my kernel is an asshole and i must now try mdk, and loose the nice file manger that did my networking for me in corel os. Or Ihave a nice set of graphic tools suse but (cad3d) it's to complicated and takes months wich no in modern times can afford to spend learning . So now I'll just have corel because I can manage my network in the network neighbourhood that is like windows but now I cant do my graphic design because corel only provides me with and unstable gimp . this is where I would much prefer to just put windows back on all my pcs becuase I just cant win with this linux. so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in corel linux os v1.1 in my mandrake. I want a graphic ppp dialer that does not give the deamon died error all the time i want a download manager of some description and I want stability. More I want somethong that does not require me to try and be what I am not Iam not a c++ programer or software research and devepement, I am a user and thats what I do I run my bussiness and I play games and I download things to playwith then I sort the in network neighbourhood a pass on the good stuff to the others on my network simply by means of drag and drop or cut and paste ( quick and efficient)and that is what I do with my pc every night until 2am. Please Dont take this mail as an Insult or as an attack Iam simply stating the factsas I have experienced them PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . thanks Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 012 3332276 YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
Fully understandable. Despite some of these frustrations, we are still drawn to linux because it represents the right thing to do. This way the next generation won't live under Microsoft protocols anymore than we have to. Seve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] linux versus windows Hey, NO Flames on this one please, it is a desperate cry for HELP. I for one am having some difficulty in getting some thingys to work in Linux MDK as well and have so much to learn with reading all of this mail not much time each day to do some work on this system. I am NOT complaining most of this is MY prob, but I sympathize with Chadley on this and would like to read some constructive assistance for this... don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew.
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, NO Flames on this one please, it is a desperate cry for HELP. I for one am having some difficulty in getting some thingys to work in Linux MDK as well and have so much to learn with reading all of this mail not much time each day to do some work on this system. I am NOT complaining most of this is MY prob, but I sympathize with Chadley on this and would like to read some constructive assistance for this... I agree with both. I have seen people that can't hold a keyboard do all kinds of things with Windows. I have seen people who have university degrees give up on Linux. It is not a matter of what is best. It is a matter of what is best _for_you_. Use what works for you. It is as simple as that... Paul )0(---)0( The fear of death keeps us from living, not from dying... )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]]-)0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
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Well, guyz, you seem to have a lot of problems with your linux boxes (espacially Chadley), but I can tell you that they ARE solvable. You CAN setup the servers you want with linux. I think that if you don't want to spend time configuring your system and understanding how it works, you'd better ask someone to help you. You got linux for free (or at least you could), so you could spend a part of the money you saved to pay a pizza to a linux guru near your place and ask him gently if he could do something for you. Or go to a linux party with your comp and see if you can get help there. But about the Win vs linux debate, I don't think this is the place to open such a thread here. It's a place to help linux users, not to have endless discussion about knowing if linux (or any un*x) is better than windows (I can tell you that MY opinion is done, and I don't think anybody will ever be able to make me change my mind) HTH Flupke On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, NO Flames on this one please, it is a desperate cry for HELP. I for one am having some difficulty in getting some thingys to work in Linux MDK as well and have so much to learn with reading all of this mail not much time each day to do some work on this system. I am NOT complaining most of this is MY prob, but I sympathize with Chadley on this and would like to read some constructive assistance for this... don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew. On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:31:49 -0700 Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not trying to be unreasonable but I have worked on linux for well over a year and Id like to say that linux is greater than windows stability etc. But I've have enough of the critism that is passed around by the linux community, whats the matter with you people Bill Gates made a system that is so easy to use that an idiot could use it and add to it on the fly, and as for servers all companies that I have been to don't use linux for their servers they use NT, When I spend the time and the money which is scarce to download software for my linux off the Internet and run the installation it never works and what's more is that in order to get it to work if have know all about programming and text based linux/Unix if you like, and yet If you don't use this flavor of linux well too bad now you have have to learn a new flovour so that you get the feature you like. And 4 months later ... If you which to compete with windows you have to create a product that has have builtin server tools that an idiot can use, a graphic frontend that an idiot can understand, easy software addition that is idiot proof and just works No matter what I try to add i always need something else. I have 3 pcs on a network and flavours of linux on they are all unstable worse than windows ever was. So if you want to come and watch how when I insert a picture into netscape composer or office 2000 or even wordperfect eight how it crashes, the program just disspears off the screen and one has to start all over again. Star Office is so slow that I could go and have a 3 course meal while it eats up my cpu time and slows my pc down to the speed of a 486 sx before its ready to use. And yet is is advertised that you could run linux on a 486 with 16mb ram , I think somebody should pull that statement back. What more is that I did my courses on windows before I changed my bussiness to linux and I promise that windows is fussy about they condition of hardware and if your hardware is perfect windows will run well and without to much trouble bearing in mind it is only a machine. Freezing and hanging etc.. in win95 was fixed in 98 and yes buggered up in 2000. So in conclution I ask anyone out there If there is a flavour of linux that has server and tools built in for use as a pdc dns etc. the grapghic front end that i easy to understand and if i try to run the vmware that i bought for 400 dollars will it work with out telling me my kernel is an asshole and i must now try mdk, and loose the nice file manger that did my networking for me in corel os. Or Ihave a nice set of graphic tools suse but (cad3d) it's to complicated and takes months wich no in modern times can afford to spend learning . So now I'll just have corel because I can manage my network in the network neighbourhood that is like windows but now I cant do my graphic design because corel only provides me with and unstable gimp . this is where I would much prefer to just put windows back on all my pcs becuase I just cant win with this linux. so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
Snippets: No matter what I try to add i always need something else. I have 3 pcs on a network and flavours of linux on they are all unstable worse than windows ever was. And yet is is advertised that you could run linux on a 486 with 16mb ram , I think somebody should pull that statement back. What more is that I did I cant do my graphic design because corel only provides me with and unstable gimp . this is where I would much prefer to just put windows back on all my pcs becuase I just cant win with this linux. so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in corel linux os v1.1 in my mandrake. I want a graphic ppp dialer that does not give the deamon died error all the time i want a download manager of some description and I want stability. More I want somethong that does not require me to try and be what I am not Iam not a c++ programer or software research and devepement, I am a user and thats what I do I run my bussiness and I play games and I download things PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . Webster makes a good spellchecker. Your post is nice attempt at a troll, but a little obvious. First try? Regards, Nathan
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: Snippets: Bit onesided like Linux Lewis fight :-) -- Regards John the Nadger http://www.mklinux.co.uk http://www.nadger.uklinux.net
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
I realize you're venting but let's go over some of these: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: I'm not trying to be unreasonable but I have worked on linux for well over a year and Id like to say that linux is greater than windows stability etc. But I've have enough of the critism that is passed around by the linux community, whats the matter with you people Bill Gates made a system that is so easy to use that an idiot could use it and add to it on the fly, and as for servers all companies that I have been to don't use linux for their servers they use NT, Yes, the windows bashing does get pretty intense at times but you've got your opinions too, so.. Besides I have had several experiences with windows where if I wasn't very familiar with the OS I would have given up in frustration, sometimes just because the OS was designed for idiots, that it made it harder. When I spend the time and the money which is scarce to download software for my linux off the Internet and run the installation it never works and what's more is that in order to get it to work if have know all about programming and text based linux/Unix if you like, and yet If you don't use this flavor of linux well too bad now you have have to learn a new flovour so that you get the feature you like. And 4 months later ... If you which to compete with windows you have to create a product that has have builtin server tools that an idiot can use, a graphic frontend that an idiot can understand, easy software addition that is idiot proof and just works No matter what I try to add i always need something else. I have 3 pcs on a network and flavours of linux on they are all unstable worse than windows ever was. This I just don't get. RPM's are as easy or easier than any setup program in windows, and will warn you if you need something on you system. Sure, every program could include all the libraries etc. it needs but can you imagine how much of your scarce time that would involve? Besides what MSWindows bundle includes just about every application you'll need on one or 2 CD's for 0 - 70 bucks? So if you want to come and watch how when I insert a picture into netscape composer or office 2000 or even wordperfect eight how it crashes, the program just disspears off the screen and one has to start all over again. Star Office is so slow that I could go and have a 3 course meal while it eats up my cpu time and slows my pc down to the speed of a 486 sx before its ready to use. And yet is is advertised that you could run linux on a 486 with 16mb ram , I think somebody should pull that statement back. -snip- I would agree with you here, because the distributions out of the box Are configures to run too much at boot time for a newbie and there is no evident way to configure it otherwise, or to tell what everything does. Cleaned up though I would think a 486 with 16 MB is reasonable. Every tried to run windows on that set-up. I have. Slow. How about a 386 with 8 MB, win95 minimum configuration. A Joke. So in conclution I ask anyone out there If there is a flavour of linux that has server and tools built in for use as a pdc dns etc. the grapghic front end that i easy to understand and if i try to run the vmware that i bought for 400 dollars will it work with out telling me my kernel is an asshole and i must now try mdk, and loose the nice file manger that did my networking for me in corel os. Or Ihave a nice set of graphic tools suse but (cad3d) it's to complicated and takes months wich no in modern times can afford to spend learning . So now I'll just have corel because I can manage my network in the network neighbourhood that is like windows but now I cant do my graphic design because corel only provides me with and unstable gimp . this is where I would much prefer to just put windows back on all my pcs becuase I just cant win with this linux. You are mixing Linux and the applications. Some administrative tools are distribution specific but the applications can be used with almost any distro. Get'em and install them. -snip- Please Dont take this mail as an Insult or as an attack Iam simply stating the factsas I have experienced them PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . Works for me but I don't need it : ) thanks Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 012 3332276
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Just my 2 cents, I think everyone should have the choice to run what os most suitably fits them, so that they can use their computers in the most efficient way. Whether someone runs windows, macOS, Linux, OS2, Unix SVR4, minix or whatever, I noticed that the 3 most popular platforms have been Mac, win, and Linux, more software is being written for the Linux users, as there is already a buttload of stuff being developed for windows/dos, mac comes in 2nd, then Linux. Whenever these 3 platforms are the closest to being as equalised as is humanly possible, will we have the best cross-compatibility. Windows works for some, Mac works for some, and Linux works for some just to name a few. I use Linux because it works for me, my buddie in town uses mac because it works the best for him and my buddie in Idaho uses windows because it is what works the best for him and they are both still my buddies and I am barely affected by what OS they use, sure some .exe self extracting utilities I have to send to my windows using buddie so he can extract the soundfiles that I would like, and he takes a copy if he wants to also, if I can't use wine to extract it, but my wish is for things to become less proprietary, (I know I sound like a dreamer, but if I don't dream, I die) but when we can all use our own OS's and have more 'universal' formats of data transfer, it will make things easier I think. On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in corel linux os v1.1 in my mandrake. I want a graphic ppp dialer that does not give the deamon died error all the time i want a download manager of some description and I want stability. More I want somethong that does not require me to try and be what I am not Iam not a c++ programer or software research and devepement, I am a user and thats what I do I run my bussiness and I play games and I download things to playwith then I sort the in network neighbourhood a pass on the good stuff to the others on my network simply by means of drag and drop or cut and paste ( quick and efficient)and that is what I do with my pc every night until 2am. Please Dont take this mail as an Insult or as an attack Iam simply stating the factsas I have experienced them PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . thanks Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 012 3332276 Hey Chadley, I feel your pain! I've spent MANY late nights working to no avail (because of the same reasons you list) and I've gone to bed frustrated more times than I can count. I guess you just have to decide what you're looking for; Windows does offer a lot more indirect support in that everyone uses it, everybody makes drivers for it, and it's available everywhere. Mac, from what I hear, offers much greater stability, much easier to use, and not nearly as many people use it. Linux has tremendous potential, it's free, there are always upgrades available (if you know where to find them) and one of the greatest features - it's fun! Yeah, I know, fun? I've already said how frustrating it can be, what I'm say now is, it's still a fairly new system, and the people that are doing the developing aren't sitting in huge building in Redmond, Washington making a million a year. It's people that, for the most part, have other jobs and just happen to take some of their expertise and share it with rest of us. There is also a lot of developing going on at places like Red Hat, SuSE and Mandrake, but that's not where most of it is coming from. I would suggest this; until you become more familiar with Linux, use it as a dual boot set up on one machine. Pick one machine and repartition your drive into two sections, then install WinNT or whatever as your first OS, then install Mandrake on the last part of the drive. Do your regular work on your comfortable system, then when you have some spare time, just play with Linux. After all, if you don't enjoy it, why bother? If after a few months, you find that Linux is just a waste of time, delete that partition and reformat it as an extended dos partition and move on happily with the blue screen of death (sorry, had to put that in there!) Good luck! Mike -- ** Signature: Want to make some extra pocket change listening to your realplayer while you surf? http://www.radiofreecash.com/home.asp?ref=kittypuss Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
Re: [newbie] linux versus windows
You make good sense Vic. A little tolerance goes a long way :) Diversity is the spice of life. We are not all alike, thank goodness. Bambi Vic wrote: Just my 2 cents, I think everyone should have the choice to run what os most suitably fits them, so that they can use their computers in the most efficient way. Whether someone runs windows, macOS, Linux, OS2, Unix SVR4, minix or whatever, I noticed that the 3 most popular platforms have been Mac, win, and Linux, more software is being written for the Linux users, as there is already a buttload of stuff being developed for windows/dos, mac comes in 2nd, then Linux. Whenever these 3 platforms are the closest to being as equalised as is humanly possible, will we have the best cross-compatibility. Windows works for some, Mac works for some, and Linux works for some just to name a few. I use Linux because it works for me, my buddie in town uses mac because it works the best for him and my buddie in Idaho uses windows because it is what works the best for him and they are both still my buddies and I am barely affected by what OS they use, sure some .exe self extracting utilities I have to send to my windows using buddie so he can extract the soundfiles that I would like, and he takes a copy if he wants to also, if I can't use wine to extract it, but my wish is for things to become less proprietary, (I know I sound like a dreamer, but if I don't dream, I die) but when we can all use our own OS's and have more 'universal' formats of data transfer, it will make things easier I think. On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: so here is my final attempt I want a file manager that works just like the one in corel linux os v1.1 in my mandrake. I want a graphic ppp dialer that does not give the deamon died error all the time i want a download manager of some description and I want stability. More I want somethong that does not require me to try and be what I am not Iam not a c++ programer or software research and devepement, I am a user and thats what I do I run my bussiness and I play games and I download things to playwith then I sort the in network neighbourhood a pass on the good stuff to the others on my network simply by means of drag and drop or cut and paste ( quick and efficient)and that is what I do with my pc every night until 2am. Please Dont take this mail as an Insult or as an attack Iam simply stating the factsas I have experienced them PS: excuse the spelling the kmail spellchecker doesnt work properly so i gave up with it . thanks Chadley Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 012 3332276 Hey Chadley, I feel your pain! I've spent MANY late nights working to no avail (because of the same reasons you list) and I've gone to bed frustrated more times than I can count. I guess you just have to decide what you're looking for; Windows does offer a lot more indirect support in that everyone uses it, everybody makes drivers for it, and it's available everywhere. Mac, from what I hear, offers much greater stability, much easier to use, and not nearly as many people use it. Linux has tremendous potential, it's free, there are always upgrades available (if you know where to find them) and one of the greatest features - it's fun! Yeah, I know, fun? I've already said how frustrating it can be, what I'm say now is, it's still a fairly new system, and the people that are doing the developing aren't sitting in huge building in Redmond, Washington making a million a year. It's people that, for the most part, have other jobs and just happen to take some of their expertise and share it with rest of us. There is also a lot of developing going on at places like Red Hat, SuSE and Mandrake, but that's not where most of it is coming from. I would suggest this; until you become more familiar with Linux, use it as a dual boot set up on one machine. Pick one machine and repartition your drive into two sections, then install WinNT or whatever as your first OS, then install Mandrake on the last part of the drive. Do your regular work on your comfortable system, then when you have some spare time, just play with Linux. After all, if you don't enjoy it, why bother? If after a few months, you find that Linux is just a waste of time, delete that partition and reformat it as an extended dos partition and move on happily with the blue screen of death (sorry, had to put that in there!) Good luck! Mike -- ** Signature: Want to make some extra pocket change listening to your realplayer while you surf? http://www.radiofreecash.com/home.asp?ref=kittypuss Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
