Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:19:46 -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part12 24601004 3389416 19961900 15% /backup Cool! Someone else with a hankering for a backup partition. I partition every HD with at least one backup partion (usually mounted on /backup/hda, /backup/hdb, etc) and usually give it 50% of the disk space. This way it's at least big enough to save a copy of the entire working partitions (or a good supply incremental backups), although to be honest, 20g backup more than covers my needs. And more importantly, having a backup partition on two drives guarantees you won't be toasted should one drive fail. Just my personal preferences... I'm curious. What is the reasoning for splitting /boot at all? Why not simply leave it in the root / partition? I've always seen it suggested to be split into it's own partion, I just don't see the point. Scott -- Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
Scott Mazur wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:19:46 -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part12 24601004 3389416 19961900 15% /backup Cool! Someone else with a hankering for a backup partition. I partition every HD with at least one backup partion (usually mounted on /backup/hda, /backup/hdb, etc) and usually give it 50% of the disk space. This way it's at least big enough to save a copy of the entire working partitions (or a good supply incremental backups), although to be honest, 20g backup more than covers my needs. And more importantly, having a backup partition on two drives guarantees you won't be toasted should one drive fail. Just my personal preferences... I'm curious. What is the reasoning for splitting /boot at all? Why not simply leave it in the root / partition? I've always seen it suggested to be split into it's own partion, I just don't see the point. Scott -- Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) The main reasion has to do with boot managers, and BIOS limits. Having a seperate /boot partition let you put it near the start of the disk, so boot managers that use the BIOS to load could be sure of being able to load their files. The old 1024 cylinder limit on older machines, and the drive size limits on some BIOS. While Linux can see the entire drive, even if the BIOS can not, LILO, and to a lesser extent Grub use the BIOS to load, and so their files need to be in the part of the drive the BIOS can access. If your BIOS can see the full drive, then it probably will not be a problem. (Old habits die hard!) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Monday 28 June 2004 11:42, Scott Mazur wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:19:46 -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part12 24601004 3389416 19961900 15% /backup Cool! Someone else with a hankering for a backup partition. I partition every HD with at least one backup partion (usually mounted on /backup/hda, /backup/hdb, etc) and usually give it 50% of the disk space. This way it's at least big enough to save a copy of the entire working partitions (or a good supply incremental backups), although to be honest, 20g backup more than covers my needs. And more importantly, having a backup partition on two drives guarantees you won't be toasted should one drive fail. Just my personal preferences... I'm curious. What is the reasoning for splitting /boot at all? Why not simply leave it in the root / partition? I've always seen it suggested to be split into it's own partion, I just don't see the point. Scott Cant answer that. I requested info about partitions and processed those into what I provided. No reason other than I didnt know enough to do it diffenently. The only reason for having a backup partition was because that was what was left over and I expected that to be cleared after transfer to cd-rw. It worked the first time and hasnt since. Now its too big for a single cd and I cant figure out how to get it on the cd without splitting some files and randomly placing the others, it would be a nightmare to restore when it exceeded 24gb. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Monday 28 Jun 2004 6:06 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: Cant answer that. I requested info about partitions and processed those into what I provided. No reason other than I didnt know enough to do it diffenently. The only reason for having a backup partition was because that was what was left over and I expected that to be cleared after transfer to cd-rw. It worked the first time and hasnt since. Now its too big for a single cd and I cant figure out how to get it on the cd without splitting some files and randomly placing the others, it would be a nightmare to restore when it exceeded 24gb. http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=222 Or if that splits badly: http://tinyurl.com/2ph56 -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:06:27 -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote On Monday 28 June 2004 11:42, Scott Mazur wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:19:46 -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part12 24601004 3389416 19961900 15% /backup Cool! Someone else with a hankering for a backup partition. I partition every HD with at least one backup partion (usually mounted on /backup/hda, /backup/hdb, etc) and usually give it 50% of the disk space. This way it's at least big enough to save a copy of the entire working partitions (or a good supply incremental backups), although to be honest, 20g backup more than covers my needs. And more importantly, having a backup partition on two drives guarantees you won't be toasted should one drive fail. Just my personal preferences... I'm curious. What is the reasoning for splitting /boot at all? Why not simply leave it in the root / partition? I've always seen it suggested to be split into it's own partion, I just don't see the point. Scott Cant answer that. I requested info about partitions and processed those into what I provided. No reason other than I didnt know enough to do it diffenently. The only reason for having a backup partition was because that was what was left over and I expected that to be cleared after transfer to cd-rw. It worked the first time and hasnt since. Now its too big for a single cd and I cant figure out how to get it on the cd without splitting some files and randomly placing the others, it would be a nightmare to restore when it exceeded 24gb. So it sounds like the /boot partition is a left over from the good old days and doesn't apply to anything even moderatly new anymore (died with the 10G limit?). I'm a big believer in backup up to HD (as opposed to burning disks or dumping to tape). First by backup up to a dedicated backup partition, and even better, syncing 2 backup partitions on separate drives, and even better better, syncing the backups to yet another computer (in case the entire box fries). Of course, I've also customized my full (and incremental) backup scripts to take care of everything nicely so backing up (and restoring) is very convienient. As another personal preference, I always create a single partition mounted as /system at 1g size. I use this partiton to keep custom scripts (like backup/recovery and setup), copies of config files, browser links, misc info, etc. It's just big enough to be useful without taking up to much space. It's my permanent storage area. Between installs and upgrades I can wipe every other partition (including /home) if I have to, without loosing all my own hard work. I'm also guaranteed that no other install/ugrade process will try to touch my stuff. Scott -- Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Monday 28 June 2004 12:50, Richard Urwin wrote: On Monday 28 Jun 2004 6:06 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: Cant answer that. I requested info about partitions and processed those into what I provided. No reason other than I didnt know enough to do it diffenently. The only reason for having a backup partition was because that was what was left over and I expected that to be cleared after transfer to cd-rw. It worked the first time and hasnt since. Now its too big for a single cd and I cant figure out how to get it on the cd without splitting some files and randomly placing the others, it would be a nightmare to restore when it exceeded 24gb. http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=222 Or if that splits badly: http://tinyurl.com/2ph56 Which it very likely will. Thanks for the reference it might help. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Monday 28 June 2004 12:56, Scott Mazur wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:06:27 -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote On Monday 28 June 2004 11:42, Scott Mazur wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:19:46 -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part12 24601004 3389416 19961900 15% /backup Cool! Someone else with a hankering for a backup partition. I partition every HD with at least one backup partion (usually mounted on /backup/hda, /backup/hdb, etc) and usually give it 50% of the disk space. This way it's at least big enough to save a copy of the entire working partitions (or a good supply incremental backups), although to be honest, 20g backup more than covers my needs. And more importantly, having a backup partition on two drives guarantees you won't be toasted should one drive fail. Just my personal preferences... I'm curious. What is the reasoning for splitting /boot at all? Why not simply leave it in the root / partition? I've always seen it suggested to be split into it's own partion, I just don't see the point. Scott Cant answer that. I requested info about partitions and processed those into what I provided. No reason other than I didnt know enough to do it diffenently. The only reason for having a backup partition was because that was what was left over and I expected that to be cleared after transfer to cd-rw. It worked the first time and hasnt since. Now its too big for a single cd and I cant figure out how to get it on the cd without splitting some files and randomly placing the others, it would be a nightmare to restore when it exceeded 24gb. So it sounds like the /boot partition is a left over from the good old days and doesn't apply to anything even moderatly new anymore (died with the 10G limit?). I'm a big believer in backup up to HD (as opposed to burning disks or dumping to tape). First by backup up to a dedicated backup partition, and even better, syncing 2 backup partitions on separate drives, and even better better, syncing the backups to yet another computer (in case the entire box fries). Of course, I've also customized my full (and incremental) backup scripts to take care of everything nicely so backing up (and restoring) is very convienient. As another personal preference, I always create a single partition mounted as /system at 1g size. I use this partiton to keep custom scripts (like backup/recovery and setup), copies of config files, browser links, misc info, etc. It's just big enough to be useful without taking up to much space. It's my permanent storage area. Between installs and upgrades I can wipe every other partition (including /home) if I have to, without loosing all my own hard work. I'm also guaranteed that no other install/ugrade process will try to touch my stuff. And when your HD goes to the happy hunting ground what then. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:14:43 -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote On Monday 28 June 2004 12:56, Scott Mazur wrote: As another personal preference, I always create a single partition mounted as /system at 1g size. I use this partiton to keep custom scripts (like backup/recovery and setup), copies of config files, browser links, misc info, etc. It's just big enough to be useful without taking up to much space. It's my permanent storage area. Between installs and upgrades I can wipe every other partition (including /home) if I have to, without loosing all my own hard work. I'm also guaranteed that no other install/ugrade process will try to touch my stuff. And when your HD goes to the happy hunting ground what then. The /system partition gets copied entirely to the /backup/hda partition, which in turn is copied directly to the /backup/hdb partition (second drive). /backup/hda is also copied entirely to a second box, which in turn keeps it safe by duplicating it on two drives. It's maybe excessive redundancy (and wasted disk space), but nothing short of my house burning down is ever going to knock out 4 drives in 2 boxes (knock on wood). And if my house burns down, well then I've got more things to worry about than the melted cdrom/tape backups I had sitting on the shelf. /system never really goes away ;) Actually the scripts I keep in /system are far more involved. They also catalogue users, installed RPMS, network settings and modify server config files (apache, named, nfs, postfix, shorewall, etc). In fact the /system directory (and a full /backup)is all I need to bring a blank box up to full running and configured status with the minumum fuss (the important stuff anyway). Makes upgrading a breeze (or at least repeatable). It's really nice to just click through the default install cdroms then let the scripts in /system take over (post-install) to install/configure the missing pieces to bring the machine back to my prefered settings. Scott -- Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
At 03:59 PM 6/27/04, John Drouhard wrote: I got a new hard drive today. (yay!) It is 160 GB Maxtor and I don't know how to chop it up. Are you the only user and you have no remote access (apache, mail, ftp, etc) services running? Go with one big partition. Multiple partitions are for protecting various parts of your system from crashing if a service goes out of control and takes all the disk space. A separate home paritition will allow system services to continue running even though a user might take all available space for his files. If it's your own system and something goes wild, just boot from CDROM, fix problem and reboot again. With separate partitions you may be able to keep some services running while fixing a problem with single service, but if that situation will never happen (like on a home use machine) don't bother with so many partitions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Monday 28 June 2004 23:24, Frank Bax wrote: At 03:59 PM 6/27/04, John Drouhard wrote: I got a new hard drive today. (yay!) It is 160 GB Maxtor and I don't know how to chop it up. Are you the only user and you have no remote access (apache, mail, ftp, etc) services running? Go with one big partition. Multiple partitions are for protecting various parts of your system from crashing if a service goes out of control and takes all the disk space. A separate home paritition will allow system services to continue running even though a user might take all available space for his files. If it's your own system and something goes wild, just boot from CDROM, fix problem and reboot again. With separate partitions you may be able to keep some services running while fixing a problem with single service, but if that situation will never happen (like on a home use machine) don't bother with so many partitions. Sorry, but I have to disagree. One of the - innurable - advantages of having separate partitions is the ease of upgrading. Having a separate /home partition rather than a /home directory makes is a snap to install system upgrades : just don't format the /home partition and everything installs, leaving your settings, documents and whatnot intact, ready for use, sparing you the hazzle of making backups prior to upgrading. At least I would recommend : a / partition around 5-10 GB a /swap partition equal to the RAM size a /home partition for the remaining disk space An additional partition for backups, sharing and one thing and another often comes in handy. Call it /misc or something. And make its file system FAT32. Just my 0,02 ยค Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * http://www.haulrich.net * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Monday 28 June 2004 15:28, Scott Mazur wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:14:43 -0500, Hoyt Bailey wrote On Monday 28 June 2004 12:56, Scott Mazur wrote: As another personal preference, I always create a single partition mounted as /system at 1g size. I use this partiton to keep custom scripts (like backup/recovery and setup), copies of config files, browser links, misc info, etc. It's just big enough to be useful without taking up to much space. It's my permanent storage area. Between installs and upgrades I can wipe every other partition (including /home) if I have to, without loosing all my own hard work. I'm also guaranteed that no other install/ugrade process will try to touch my stuff. And when your HD goes to the happy hunting ground what then. The /system partition gets copied entirely to the /backup/hda partition, which in turn is copied directly to the /backup/hdb partition (second drive). /backup/hda is also copied entirely to a second box, which in turn keeps it safe by duplicating it on two drives. It's maybe excessive redundancy (and wasted disk space), but nothing short of my house burning down is ever going to knock out 4 drives in 2 boxes (knock on wood). And if my house burns down, well then I've got more things to worry about than the melted cdrom/tape backups I had sitting on the shelf. /system never really goes away ;) Actually the scripts I keep in /system are far more involved. They also catalogue users, installed RPMS, network settings and modify server config files (apache, named, nfs, postfix, shorewall, etc). In fact the /system directory (and a full /backup)is all I need to bring a blank box up to full running and configured status with the minumum fuss (the important stuff anyway). Makes upgrading a breeze (or at least repeatable). It's really nice to just click through the default install cdroms then let the scripts in /system take over (post-install) to install/configure the missing pieces to bring the machine back to my prefered settings. Scott -- Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! (http://www.littlefish.ca) Sounds like you got it covered. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Monday 28 June 2004 11:50, Richard Urwin wrote: http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexr eq=viewarticleartid=222 Or if that splits badly: http://tinyurl.com/2ph56 Thanks for that link. Why didn't I know about this site long ago g? -- 18:36:46 up 2 days, 9:26, running Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586, kernel 2.6.3-7mdk Registered Linux user #324360 If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments. -- Earl Wilson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] partition suggestions?
I got a new hard drive today. (yay!) It is 160 GB Maxtor and I don't know how to chop it up. Currently I have a 40 GB: /dev/hda1 275 MB /boot /dev/hda5 6.44 GB / /dev/hda6 8.64 GB /usr /dev/hda7 400 MB swap /dev/hda8 11.06 GB/home /dev/hda9 10.49 GB/misc (partition for storing downloads, backups, and other random stuff) I would like to keep the same general partitioning scheme, but I don't know whether I should have it in so many pieces. If I just have a /boot, /, and a /misc, then everything can share in one large partition and I wouldn't have to worry about being low on space for one and tons of space on another. (my /home is tight on space, but my /usr has about 5 GB free) Sorry if this is confusing, but if anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate them... thanks, john Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
John Drouhard wrote: I got a new hard drive today. (yay!) It is 160 GB Maxtor and I don't know how to chop it up. Currently I have a 40 GB: /dev/hda1275 MB/boot /dev/hda56.44 GB/ /dev/hda68.64 GB/usr /dev/hda7400 MBswap /dev/hda811.06 GB/home /dev/hda910.49 GB/misc (partition for storing downloads, backups, and other random stuff) I would like to keep the same general partitioning scheme, but I don't know whether I should have it in so many pieces. If I just have a /boot, /, and a /misc, then everything can share in one large partition and I wouldn't have to worry about being low on space for one and tons of space on another. (my /home is tight on space, but my /usr has about 5 GB free) Sorry if this is confusing, but if anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate them... With 160GB, it doesn't really matter how you chop it up, you'll still have loads of room. I'd put a bit more into /usr just in case you want to install some new application larger than anything yet known, and divide the rest between /home and /misc. You might want to have another partition for /etc (I'm told this means you can do an install without scratching your existing settings, but I've never tried it). Sir Robin -- Time is an illusion - lunch time doubly so. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:02:44 -0400 robin wrote: You might want to have another partition for /etc No, do not do that. The configuration files in /etc must be avaiable during boot and should always remain as part of / Charles -- You cannot use your friends and have them too. - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.5-1.tmb.6mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgpXSUNYn4Oxx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
Charles A Edwards wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:02:44 -0400 robin wrote: You might want to have another partition for /etc No, do not do that. The configuration files in /etc must be avaiable during boot and should always remain as part of / Charles Normaly, you need /bin, /sbin, and /etc all on the root partition. It is also a good idea to have /root there. There are ways around having /etc in the root partition, but they usualy are not worth the trouble, unless you are doing something like booting a diskless workstation, or running off a CD. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] partition suggestions?
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:30:51 -0500 Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles A Edwards wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:02:44 -0400 robin wrote: You might want to have another partition for /etc No, do not do that. The configuration files in /etc must be avaiable during boot and should always remain as part of / Charles Normaly, you need /bin, /sbin, and /etc all on the root partition. It is also a good idea to have /root there. There are ways around having /etc in the root partition, but they usualy are not worth the trouble, unless you are doing something like booting a diskless workstation, or running off a CD. Mikkel Ok, this is what I was thinking: /boot 500 MB / 15 GB /usr25 GB swap400 MB /home 35 GB /misc 84 GB That will give me enough room to rip a few dvd's and still have plenty of room on my home partition :-). Does this look good? john Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
