Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 13:28, Graham Watkins wrote: Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt Give us the URL then we can all have a look - might be able to give you an opinion that's worth something then. Here it is: http://www.angelfire.com/or2/awakingdream/realNeville Hmm, most curious. Opened it in Mozilla and all I got was text - at first glance, the html seemed to be all over the place and it made me wonder if it was due to it's being a poorly written page - two html and body tags for a start. Saved it to my 'puter and then opened it using Konqueror and it displayed as a web page. The link to the rainforest page worked though the rm file (some kind of audio format that realplayer doesn't recognise?) links didn't. Someone on this thread mentioned that it displayed in IE6 yet I don't see any alien code that might appear had it been written with Word or Frontpage. You could e-mail the site to tell them that there's something wrong with the page (and if it isn't browser platform independent then there *is* something wrong with it) or if you are a web designer with spare time on your hands, you could offer to rewrite the page for them. Then again you could take the easy way out and view it using Konqueror. Hope this helps (though I can't see how). -- Graham Watkins For me, morning begins when I realize that the soft warm body curled up next to me is a cat. (Kinky Friedman - Frequent Flyer) Registered Linux user number 265254 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
Nope: [EMAIL PROTECTED] postfix]# cat /etc/httpd/conf/commonhttpd.conf | grep DefaultType # DefaultType is the default MIME type the server will use for a document DefaultType text/plain Sames as yours. regards Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Slater Sent: Saturday, 19 July 2003 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML Frankie, This is getting interesting because the link you provided wrapped in my mail so I didn't get the .txt extension; however, dillo opened it up as if it were HTML. Only after adding the .txt did dillo display the source. Same with firebird. I found in /etc/httpd/conf/commonhttpd.conf (line 121): # DefaultType is the default MIME type the server will use for a document # if it cannot otherwise determine one, such as from filename extensions. # If your server contains mostly text or HTML documents, text/plain is # a good value. If most of your content is binary, such as applications # or images, you may want to use application/octet-stream instead to # keep browsers from trying to display binary files as though they are # text. # DefaultType text/plain Is what I have; I wonder if yours has text/html? Todd On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:38:44 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
On Friday 18 Jul 2003 10:37 pm, Bob Read wrote: Just add .htm (no quotes) and you get the page. Out of curiosity, I did, but I only got 'the URL is not valid and cannot be loaded'. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt Give us the URL then we can all have a look - might be able to give you an opinion that's worth something then. -- Graham Watkins For me, morning begins when I realize that the soft warm body curled up next to me is a cat. (Kinky Friedman - Frequent Flyer) Registered Linux user number 265254 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 13:28, Graham Watkins wrote: Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt Give us the URL then we can all have a look - might be able to give you an opinion that's worth something then. Here it is: http://www.angelfire.com/or2/awakingdream/realNeville -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #2046 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~60.51518 N, 150.79705 W*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 01:43:33PM -0500, Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 13:28, Graham Watkins wrote: Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt Give us the URL then we can all have a look - might be able to give you an opinion that's worth something then. Here it is: http://www.angelfire.com/or2/awakingdream/realNeville It has no extension (.html, .htm, .shtml, .php etc.). It's not a directory, so it just gets displayed as text. HTH, Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 13:28, Graham Watkins wrote: Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt Give us the URL then we can all have a look - might be able to give you an opinion that's worth something then. Here it is: http://www.angelfire.com/or2/awakingdream/realNeville On my Mandrake box: it displays the source in Opera, Mozilla, Firebird, Konqueror. On my Windows 2000 box: it works in IE6 and doesn't work in Mozilla or Firebird. Is there code in there, specific to IE, that won't allow the others to render the page? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) Maxims for Revolutionists Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 15:22, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 01:43:33PM -0500, Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 13:28, Graham Watkins wrote: Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt Give us the URL then we can all have a look - might be able to give you an opinion that's worth something then. Here it is: http://www.angelfire.com/or2/awakingdream/realNeville It has no extension (.html, .htm, .shtml, .php etc.). It's not a directory, so it just gets displayed as text. HTH, Todd __ I don't get it If it wasn't saved as *.html even IE wouldn't display it as HTML, right? The html at the top of the page is what a browser uses to identify it as an html page. Would you clarify what you're saying? Thanks, Curt -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #2046 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~60.51518 N, 150.79705 W*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
Just add .htm (no quotes) and you get the page. Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 15:22, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 01:43:33PM -0500, Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 13:28, Graham Watkins wrote: Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt Give us the URL then we can all have a look - might be able to give you an opinion that's worth something then. Here it is: http://www.angelfire.com/or2/awakingdream/realNeville It has no extension (.html, .htm, .shtml, .php etc.). It's not a directory, so it just gets displayed as text. HTH, Todd __ I don't get it If it wasn't saved as *.html even IE wouldn't display it as HTML, right? The html at the top of the page is what a browser uses to identify it as an html page. Would you clarify what you're saying? Thanks, Curt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- -- Bob Read // Registered Linux user #287118 http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/e/bestill.htm Soli Deo Gloria-Solus Christus-Sola Gratia-Sola Fide-Sola Scriptura The Church of The Master [Baptist] Providence, Rhode Island http://users.ids.net/~bobread/cotm.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:08:02 -0500 Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 15:22, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 01:43:33PM -0500, Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 13:28, Graham Watkins wrote: Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt Give us the URL then we can all have a look - might be able to give you an opinion that's worth something then. Here it is: http://www.angelfire.com/or2/awakingdream/realNeville It has no extension (.html, .htm, .shtml, .php etc.). It's not a directory, so it just gets displayed as text. HTH, Todd ___ ___ I don't get it If it wasn't saved as *.html even IE wouldn't display it as HTML, right? The html at the top of the page is what a browser uses to identify it as an html page. Would you clarify what you're saying? Thanks, Curt I don't know the technical reasons, but yes, the extension has something to do with what happens with the file. This is why you have to add certain extensions to relate them to their mime-types in Apache config. That's why when you click a link to any type of file, the server needs to know what type it is to send that to the browser. (So the browser knows what to do with it.) AFAIK, if a file doesn't have any extension, it just displays the file as text, just as if it had a .txt extension. If it is an unknown file type (to the server), the user is generally prompted to save the file. However, it is interesting that you say it works for other folks. Internet Explorer, I presume? If you look at the Page Info in Mozilla or Firebird it says it's text/plain. So while this may be a feature of IE, I would say the problem is with the page and not the browsers you've tried. They are doing just what they are supposed to by rendering it as text. Somebody with a better understanding of mime-types and document headers can probably tell you the *real* reason :) If the page has a contact, I'd email him or her about it. (As a workaround, just save it with a .html extension and open it locally since the links seem to be absolute paths.) Todd -- If those in charge of our society--politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television--can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves. -Howard Zinn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:08:02 -0500 Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get it If it wasn't saved as *.html even IE wouldn't display it as HTML, right? It probably wouldn't open it if it were saved and opened locally, probably IE thinks since it's http:// it must be html. BTW, the page code is not valid, but that doesn't have anything to do with this problem. html head titleNeville Audio Archive/title /head body html body Todd -- Anybody but a Republican or Democrat 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
I can tell you also that if you upload a file with the name myfile.txt to your server and that file contains HTML tags.. IE will render them, most all others we tried will display the source text.. The only way we could get IE to display the page's source code.. was to insert this into the top of the page: plaintext only IE had this problem.. so it obviously doesn't care about the extension. If the page has disernable tags, IE will render them... An example of a page to demonstraite this: http://htmlfixit.com/tutes/html_tables_bring_order_to_chaos_resources/table1 .txt Its part of a tute on HTML tables for HTML newbies... regards Franki http://htmlfixit.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Slater Sent: Saturday, 19 July 2003 5:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:08:02 -0500 Curt Tresenriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 15:22, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 01:43:33PM -0500, Curt Tresenriter wrote: On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 13:28, Graham Watkins wrote: Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt Give us the URL then we can all have a look - might be able to give you an opinion that's worth something then. Here it is: http://www.angelfire.com/or2/awakingdream/realNeville It has no extension (.html, .htm, .shtml, .php etc.). It's not a directory, so it just gets displayed as text. HTH, Todd ___ ___ I don't get it If it wasn't saved as *.html even IE wouldn't display it as HTML, right? The html at the top of the page is what a browser uses to identify it as an html page. Would you clarify what you're saying? Thanks, Curt I don't know the technical reasons, but yes, the extension has something to do with what happens with the file. This is why you have to add certain extensions to relate them to their mime-types in Apache config. That's why when you click a link to any type of file, the server needs to know what type it is to send that to the browser. (So the browser knows what to do with it.) AFAIK, if a file doesn't have any extension, it just displays the file as text, just as if it had a .txt extension. If it is an unknown file type (to the server), the user is generally prompted to save the file. However, it is interesting that you say it works for other folks. Internet Explorer, I presume? If you look at the Page Info in Mozilla or Firebird it says it's text/plain. So while this may be a feature of IE, I would say the problem is with the page and not the browsers you've tried. They are doing just what they are supposed to by rendering it as text. Somebody with a better understanding of mime-types and document headers can probably tell you the *real* reason :) If the page has a contact, I'd email him or her about it. (As a workaround, just save it with a .html extension and open it locally since the links seem to be absolute paths.) Todd -- If those in charge of our society--politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television--can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves. -Howard Zinn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
Frankie, This is getting interesting because the link you provided wrapped in my mail so I didn't get the .txt extension; however, dillo opened it up as if it were HTML. Only after adding the .txt did dillo display the source. Same with firebird. I found in /etc/httpd/conf/commonhttpd.conf (line 121): # DefaultType is the default MIME type the server will use for a document # if it cannot otherwise determine one, such as from filename extensions. # If your server contains mostly text or HTML documents, text/plain is # a good value. If most of your content is binary, such as applications # or images, you may want to use application/octet-stream instead to # keep browsers from trying to display binary files as though they are # text. # DefaultType text/plain Is what I have; I wonder if yours has text/html? Todd On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:38:44 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can tell you also that if you upload a file with the name myfile.txt to your server and that file contains HTML tags.. IE will render them, most all others we tried will display the source text.. The only way we could get IE to display the page's source code.. was to insert this into the top of the page: plaintext only IE had this problem.. so it obviously doesn't care about the extension. If the page has disernable tags, IE will render them... An example of a page to demonstraite this: http://htmlfixit.com/tutes/html_tables_bring_order_to_chaos_resources/table1 .txt Its part of a tute on HTML tables for HTML newbies... regards Franki http://htmlfixit.com -- Name that tune #12: Let's stop off at the Metroplex, that little dancer's got some style; she's the one I'll be waiting for at the stage door. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] web site displays source instead of HTML
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:26:43AM -0500, Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm trying to access a web site - an audio archive - but it's only displaying the code. Konq, Galeon,Opera - doesn't matter. I would have suspected the web site itself, but for other folks on the list it is displaying properly , links are accessible etc. So it must be hereright? What could it be? thanks, Curt It could be the site. I was working on a web-based survey (using Mod_survey) and it worked in all Moz-based browsers but wouldn't work in IE. Turns out it was something to do with the header info--the browser didn't recognize it as a web page and therefore prompted to save the page. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
