Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation
here's a little snippet from a mesage I posted a few weeks ago, i hope this helps...
You should set up Mandrake in expert mode and chose not to use lilo, but create a boot
disk.
Look around and find the latest lilo rpm at a mandrake ftp site then copy it to a
floppy (it
should fit). Boot with the boot disk into Mandrake, take out the boot disk and put in
the one
with lilo. Then open the floppy and click on the rpm. The next screen should be the
installer.
Install it. Now open lilo.conf, create any partitions that you know you have that
aren't
displayed. Also add on a line by itself "lba32" without the quotes somewhere BEFORE
you specify
any of the partitions (i put it right before the "default=whatever" command. I have
Mandrake on a
partition at the end of my 20G, and a 6G that is strictly a system backup)
I hope this helps. ( I think the latest release of lilo is lilo 0.21.4.3-1)
Good Luck
Dave
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RE: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation
Or just go back into windows and turn bootmagic back on. that did the trick for me.
thanks,
bill
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explanation
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, you wrote:
Thanks for the explanation.
I bumped into the same problem a few days ago when
installing Linux for
the first time.
I gave up solving the problem and have been booting from a floppy,
trusting that eventually I'd run across a solution (as I became more
familiar with Linux).
My Mandrake 7.1 disks are on their way, so that should take
care of it.
Thanks!
KC
suggestion, Check an' see if you've got 'grub' installed. If
not you can get the rpm at any 7.1 or cooker ftp site. Start
reading 'info grub'. It's pretty straightforward, and you'll soon
learn how to edit and setup it's lilo.conf-type file, 'menu.lst'
You'll be that much ahead when you get 7.1
I chose grub when I installed 7.1. At first I wished I had lilo
back, but after a little reading in 'info grub', I'm glad I've got
grub. It's easy to switch back'n forth. Just have 'lilo.conf'
setup properly, and run '/sbin/lilo'. Conversely, have 'menu.lst'
correct and run '/sbin/grub'. I'm not 100% positive, but I believe
both the new lilo and grub, don't have the huge HDD/1024 cylinder
qualms.
--
~~ Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles A Edwards wrote:
The most likely causes of this error actually has
nothing to do with the
MBR, where it is at, or the size of any partitions. If
your hd was ever
formatted using a manufacturer floppy ( with IBM it is
EZDrive, Maxtor is
MaxBlast and I am sure others also have their own). The
program not only
formatted your drive but it also flashed your BIOS to
fool the hd size
limitation and UDMA 66 incompatibility that older BIOSs
had. If this is the
case then neither LILO nor BootMagic can or will work as
a bootloader on
your system.
SystemCommander will work and in Mandrake 7.1 GRUB
will work.If neither
of these 2 is an option then the only be able to boot
Linux is from a
floppy.
Charles
RE: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation
Where did you get the idea that Hard Disk Drivers flash the BIOS? Every different model of motherboard has a different BIOS, there is no way they could provide BIOS changes for every motherboard. Yes, these drivers can cause problems and they can be difficult to remove (though some do now have uninstallation procedures), but they are simply a driver that starts from the MBR and intercepts all disk access code. - Peter Ogden Perth, West Australia E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.esbconsult.com.au/ogden/ or: http://surf.to/locost/ -Original Message- From: Charles A Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2000 9:03 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation The most likely causes of this error actually has nothing to do with the MBR, where it is at, or the size of any partitions. If your hd was ever formatted using a manufacturer floppy ( with IBM it is EZDrive, Maxtor is MaxBlast and I am sure others also have their own). The program not only formatted your drive but it also flashed your BIOS to fool the hd size limitation and UDMA 66 incompatibility that older BIOSs had. If this is the case then neither LILO nor BootMagic can or will work as a bootloader on your system. SystemCommander will work and in Mandrake 7.1 GRUB will work.If neither of these 2 is an option then the only be able to boot Linux is from a floppy. Charles - Original Message - From: "Michael Scottaline" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] "aifusionextreme" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip The only Clue is the size: Boot magic actually gives an error message which says that the primary partition must be in the first 1023 cylnders. Why is cares about the rest of the HD and not just the mbr I cant farthom. But there you have it. Since boot magic wont install and lilo does but fails I assume they both cant handle larger drives. When I installed before I had nice neat partitions around the 2-4 GB mark. I assume this didnt exceed the 1023 cylders option, assuming that this is the cause. Currently I have a 14GB and a 40GB. Both exitbite the same behavoiur. if any body with the no-how can help in confirming this theory or indictae what limitations the software might have the Please Help. It is not just me as you acan see from the posting. If there is a cyclionder limitation can you explain why a boot manager needs to know about anythning but the mbr ? More importantly how can go about fixing this bug ? = The size of the drive is NOT that critical, provided the boot sector is BELOW the 1024 limit (usually about 8 gig). Thus create a small (10-12 meg) boot partition below that limit (entirely) and linux should boot just fine. Caldera has included a new booter in their eDesktop 2.4 distribution that evidently doesn't have this limitation. My guess is that most distro will be following suit with something similar in upcoming editions of their own distros. Mike "Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." --Winston Churchill Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation
Right, that's my impression as well. EZ-BIOS is actually referred to as a "BIOS overlay", it loads after the BIOS. I have dealt with EZ-BIOS and other pre-installed HD software (as on HP-distributed SCSI drives, Compaqs, etc.) in various ways, including: For EZ-BIOS, I've used unistall on the EZ-BIOS setup disk. For any IDE disk, I often use clear.hdd (acquired from Western Digital's site), which blows away any and all cylinder boundary markers in a few seconds. I've never used it on any of the new huge IDE drives (18GB+), so do so with caution. This is my preferred method, as it's quick and final. Finally, you should be able to use fdisk and format (DOS or Linux) to kill any offending partitions/MBR code. Just don't try to deal with this issue by reinstalling your BIOS! -- Peter Yellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Ogden wrote: Where did you get the idea that Hard Disk Drivers flash the BIOS? Every different model of motherboard has a different BIOS, there is no way they could provide BIOS changes for every motherboard. Yes, these drivers can cause problems and they can be difficult to remove (though some do now have uninstallation procedures), but they are simply a driver that starts from the MBR and intercepts all disk access code. - Peter Ogden Perth, West Australia E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.esbconsult.com.au/ogden/ or: http://surf.to/locost/ -Original Message- From: Charles A Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2000 9:03 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation The most likely causes of this error actually has nothing to do with the MBR, where it is at, or the size of any partitions. If your hd was ever formatted using a manufacturer floppy ( with IBM it is EZDrive, Maxtor is MaxBlast and I am sure others also have their own). The program not only formatted your drive but it also flashed your BIOS to fool the hd size limitation and UDMA 66 incompatibility that older BIOSs had. If this is the case then neither LILO nor BootMagic can or will work as a bootloader on your system. SystemCommander will work and in Mandrake 7.1 GRUB will work.If neither of these 2 is an option then the only be able to boot Linux is from a floppy. Charles - Original Message - From: "Michael Scottaline" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] "aifusionextreme" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip The only Clue is the size: Boot magic actually gives an error message which says that the primary partition must be in the first 1023 cylnders. Why is cares about the rest of the HD and not just the mbr I cant farthom. But there you have it. Since boot magic wont install and lilo does but fails I assume they both cant handle larger drives. When I installed before I had nice neat partitions around the 2-4 GB mark. I assume this didnt exceed the 1023 cylders option, assuming that this is the cause. Currently I have a 14GB and a 40GB. Both exitbite the same behavoiur. if any body with the no-how can help in confirming this theory or indictae what limitations the software might have the Please Help. It is not just me as you acan see from the posting. If there is a cyclionder limitation can you explain why a boot manager needs to know about anythning but the mbr ? More importantly how can go about fixing this bug ? = The size of the drive is NOT that critical, provided the boot sector is BELOW the 1024 limit (usually about 8 gig). Thus create a small (10-12 meg) boot partition below that limit (entirely) and linux should boot just fine. Caldera has included a new booter in their eDesktop 2.4 distribution that evidently doesn't have this limitation. My guess is that most distro will be following suit with something similar in upcoming editions of their own distros. Mike "Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." --Winston Churchill Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation
The most likely causes of this error actually has nothing to do with the MBR, where it is at, or the size of any partitions. If your hd was ever formatted using a manufacturer floppy ( with IBM it is EZDrive, Maxtor is MaxBlast and I am sure others also have their own). The program not only formatted your drive but it also flashed your BIOS to fool the hd size limitation and UDMA 66 incompatibility that older BIOSs had. If this is the case then neither LILO nor BootMagic can or will work as a bootloader on your system. SystemCommander will work and in Mandrake 7.1 GRUB will work.If neither of these 2 is an option then the only be able to boot Linux is from a floppy. Charles - Original Message - From: "Michael Scottaline" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] "aifusionextreme" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip The only Clue is the size: Boot magic actually gives an error message which says that the primary partition must be in the first 1023 cylnders. Why is cares about the rest of the HD and not just the mbr I cant farthom. But there you have it. Since boot magic wont install and lilo does but fails I assume they both cant handle larger drives. When I installed before I had nice neat partitions around the 2-4 GB mark. I assume this didnt exceed the 1023 cylders option, assuming that this is the cause. Currently I have a 14GB and a 40GB. Both exitbite the same behavoiur. if any body with the no-how can help in confirming this theory or indictae what limitations the software might have the Please Help. It is not just me as you acan see from the posting. If there is a cyclionder limitation can you explain why a boot manager needs to know about anythning but the mbr ? More importantly how can go about fixing this bug ? = The size of the drive is NOT that critical, provided the boot sector is BELOW the 1024 limit (usually about 8 gig). Thus create a small (10-12 meg) boot partition below that limit (entirely) and linux should boot just fine. Caldera has included a new booter in their eDesktop 2.4 distribution that evidently doesn't have this limitation. My guess is that most distro will be following suit with something similar in upcoming editions of their own distros. Mike "Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." --Winston Churchill Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation
Thanks for the explanation. I bumped into the same problem a few days ago when installing Linux for the first time. I gave up solving the problem and have been booting from a floppy, trusting that eventually I'd run across a solution (as I became more familiar with Linux). My Mandrake 7.1 disks are on their way, so that should take care of it. Thanks! KC Charles A Edwards wrote: The most likely causes of this error actually has nothing to do with the MBR, where it is at, or the size of any partitions. If your hd was ever formatted using a manufacturer floppy ( with IBM it is EZDrive, Maxtor is MaxBlast and I am sure others also have their own). The program not only formatted your drive but it also flashed your BIOS to fool the hd size limitation and UDMA 66 incompatibility that older BIOSs had. If this is the case then neither LILO nor BootMagic can or will work as a bootloader on your system. SystemCommander will work and in Mandrake 7.1 GRUB will work.If neither of these 2 is an option then the only be able to boot Linux is from a floppy. Charles
Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, you wrote: Thanks for the explanation. I bumped into the same problem a few days ago when installing Linux for the first time. I gave up solving the problem and have been booting from a floppy, trusting that eventually I'd run across a solution (as I became more familiar with Linux). My Mandrake 7.1 disks are on their way, so that should take care of it. Thanks! KC suggestion, Check an' see if you've got 'grub' installed. If not you can get the rpm at any 7.1 or cooker ftp site. Start reading 'info grub'. It's pretty straightforward, and you'll soon learn how to edit and setup it's lilo.conf-type file, 'menu.lst' You'll be that much ahead when you get 7.1 I chose grub when I installed 7.1. At first I wished I had lilo back, but after a little reading in 'info grub', I'm glad I've got grub. It's easy to switch back'n forth. Just have 'lilo.conf' setup properly, and run '/sbin/lilo'. Conversely, have 'menu.lst' correct and run '/sbin/grub'. I'm not 100% positive, but I believe both the new lilo and grub, don't have the huge HDD/1024 cylinder qualms. -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles A Edwards wrote: The most likely causes of this error actually has nothing to do with the MBR, where it is at, or the size of any partitions. If your hd was ever formatted using a manufacturer floppy ( with IBM it is EZDrive, Maxtor is MaxBlast and I am sure others also have their own). The program not only formatted your drive but it also flashed your BIOS to fool the hd size limitation and UDMA 66 incompatibility that older BIOSs had. If this is the case then neither LILO nor BootMagic can or will work as a bootloader on your system. SystemCommander will work and in Mandrake 7.1 GRUB will work.If neither of these 2 is an option then the only be able to boot Linux is from a floppy. Charles
RE: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation
Or just go back into windows and turn bootmagic back on. that did the trick for me. thanks, bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, you wrote: Thanks for the explanation. I bumped into the same problem a few days ago when installing Linux for the first time. I gave up solving the problem and have been booting from a floppy, trusting that eventually I'd run across a solution (as I became more familiar with Linux). My Mandrake 7.1 disks are on their way, so that should take care of it. Thanks! KC suggestion, Check an' see if you've got 'grub' installed. If not you can get the rpm at any 7.1 or cooker ftp site. Start reading 'info grub'. It's pretty straightforward, and you'll soon learn how to edit and setup it's lilo.conf-type file, 'menu.lst' You'll be that much ahead when you get 7.1 I chose grub when I installed 7.1. At first I wished I had lilo back, but after a little reading in 'info grub', I'm glad I've got grub. It's easy to switch back'n forth. Just have 'lilo.conf' setup properly, and run '/sbin/lilo'. Conversely, have 'menu.lst' correct and run '/sbin/grub'. I'm not 100% positive, but I believe both the new lilo and grub, don't have the huge HDD/1024 cylinder qualms. -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles A Edwards wrote: The most likely causes of this error actually has nothing to do with the MBR, where it is at, or the size of any partitions. If your hd was ever formatted using a manufacturer floppy ( with IBM it is EZDrive, Maxtor is MaxBlast and I am sure others also have their own). The program not only formatted your drive but it also flashed your BIOS to fool the hd size limitation and UDMA 66 incompatibility that older BIOSs had. If this is the case then neither LILO nor BootMagic can or will work as a bootloader on your system. SystemCommander will work and in Mandrake 7.1 GRUB will work.If neither of these 2 is an option then the only be able to boot Linux is from a floppy. Charles
Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation
There is no unistall available for that type of program. It is possible to remove it by restoring your original BIOS and reformatting your hd in DOS but you then take the chance that your hd will not be supported by your mobo making it unusable. My reccomendation would be to run fdisk/MBR to remove LILO and then to reinstall Linux choosing boot from floppy rather than installing LILO. In the future should you decide to upgrade to 7.1 you would be able to GRUB ae your bootloader without any problem. When I ran 7.0 I had to boot from a floppy. Other than having to keep up with the disk, booting from it worked just as well and took no longer than if LILO had been installed. Charles - Original Message - From: "aifusionextreme" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation This is slightly off topic so I appolligse, it is entirly possible that easy bios is the cause if you are correct. It installed itself when I got my 40GB a short itme ago. Since you seem to know about this, how do you get rid of it. I have spent ages trying to find an uninstall. for ezbios. you say it flashes the bios, if I reflash it will that work ? It appears to load some code itno the partitions as well. Thanks - Original Message - From: "Charles A Edwards" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] new explanation The most likely causes of this error actually has nothing to do with the MBR, where it is at, or the size of any partitions. If your hd was ever formatted using a manufacturer floppy ( with IBM it is EZDrive, Maxtor is MaxBlast and I am sure others also have their own). The program not only formatted your drive but it also flashed your BIOS to fool the hd size limitation and UDMA 66 incompatibility that older BIOSs had. If this is the case then neither LILO nor BootMagic can or will work as a bootloader on your system. SystemCommander will work and in Mandrake 7.1 GRUB will work.If neither of these 2 is an option then the only be able to boot Linux is from a floppy. Charles - Original Message - From: "Michael Scottaline" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Fw: LILO Boot Magic install ?] "aifusionextreme" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip The only Clue is the size: Boot magic actually gives an error message which says that the primary partition must be in the first 1023 cylnders. Why is cares about the rest of the HD and not just the mbr I cant farthom. But there you have it. Since boot magic wont install and lilo does but fails I assume they both cant handle larger drives. When I installed before I had nice neat partitions around the 2-4 GB mark. I assume this didnt exceed the 1023 cylders option, assuming that this is the cause. Currently I have a 14GB and a 40GB. Both exitbite the same behavoiur. if any body with the no-how can help in confirming this theory or indictae what limitations the software might have the Please Help. It is not just me as you acan see from the posting. If there is a cyclionder limitation can you explain why a boot manager needs to know about anythning but the mbr ? More importantly how can go about fixing this bug ? = The size of the drive is NOT that critical, provided the boot sector is BELOW the 1024 limit (usually about 8 gig). Thus create a small (10-12 meg) boot partition below that limit (entirely) and linux should boot just fine. Caldera has included a new booter in their eDesktop 2.4 distribution that evidently doesn't have this limitation. My guess is that most distro will be following suit with something similar in upcoming editions of their own distros. Mike "Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me." --Winston Churchill Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
