Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Sunday 28 March 2004 07:28 am, Margot wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. I believe the general trend with 2.4.x kernels would be to disable apic and/or acpi. With 2.6.x and newer hardware, I believe it'll be to make sure they're both enabled. The only exception to that I currently know of is nForce chipset systems which don't handle them properly. You've got a VIA chipset which will. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? Yep, trial'n error I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? No, edit lilo.conf, and try not to forget to run 'lilo' to write the changes before you reboot. (we all do sometimes ;) Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot A specification. Your Shuttle is a micro ATX. and the system is up to date enough, that I believe with 2.6.x kernels, you should (even need/want to) enable apic and acpi. You do so by removing any 'noapic', 'nolapic', and 'acpi=off' (or acpi-=ht) from the 2.6.x kernel stanza in your lilo.conf. These features are built into the kernel, no need to explicitly enable them. After sorting out some other problems, I finally found time to look at this again. I'm now using the tmb.5 kernel, tried all the possible combinations of acpi and apic settings I could think of, and have found that with the option acpi=on and no mention of apic or lapic, the computer now switches off automatically, the way I wanted it to. Thanks for your help. Now I just have to get the sound working... ;-) Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
Charlie wrote: This is probably no help, but just in case? For no reason this machine would not shut off, in fact I had to use shutdown -h now as root. I could get it to work by changing the sessions, saving, then changing them back. But only once after the first reboot, then it went back to this behaviour. In trying to get sound to work, I placed this line in my /etc/modules.conf which is called something different in 10.x options snd-via82xx index=0 dxs_support=2 Why this should effect the shutdown, I have no idea, but try some variations and it might just work? Charlie. Well, I managed to sort out the shutdown problem by using acpi=on, but my next project is to get the sound working so I've saved your suggestion in case it helps - or in case getting the sound working breaks my newly-fixed shutdown! Thanks Charlie! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
On Saturday 03 April 2004 07:06 am, Margot wrote: After sorting out some other problems, I finally found time to look at this again. I'm now using the tmb.5 kernel, tried all the possible combinations of acpi and apic settings I could think of, and have found that with the option acpi=on and no mention of apic or lapic, the computer now switches off automatically, the way I wanted it to. Thanks for your help. Now I just have to get the sound working... ;-) Margot Unless 'acpi=on' is undocumented, it's not a valid 2.6.x kernel parameter. See kernel-parameters.txt (you'll need kernel source installed. Any 2.6 kernel-source will do). Valid parameters are acpi=off, acpi=ht which both turn off acpi, and acpi=force, which forces acpi on. Simply not having any acpi parameter should turn acpi on, as it's built into the kernel as on by default. You can leave that parameter in tho, it's just being ignored by the kernel. .. Run 'draksound' as root in a term. Follow all the steps under trouble shooting. I'd add to also run 'll /dev/dsp'. Ouput should look like this tom # ll /dev/dsp lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 9 Apr 1 23:56 /dev/dsp - sound/dsp The last '-x' means user can execute sound, and '-' that dsp is linked to sound. 'fuser -v /dev/dsp' should return nothing. This means nothing is currently tyin up sound, which is what you want. Also, I didn't need aumix installed as draksound indicates. What enabled sound in 10.0 for me was to raise all the sliders in kmix to 100% . including the ones under the 'line-in' icons on the right side. At least one of 'em is the line-in from your speaker system. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2004 07:06 am, Margot wrote: After sorting out some other problems, I finally found time to look at this again. I'm now using the tmb.5 kernel, tried all the possible combinations of acpi and apic settings I could think of, and have found that with the option acpi=on and no mention of apic or lapic, the computer now switches off automatically, the way I wanted it to. Thanks for your help. Now I just have to get the sound working... ;-) Margot Unless 'acpi=on' is undocumented, it's not a valid 2.6.x kernel parameter. See kernel-parameters.txt (you'll need kernel source installed. Any 2.6 kernel-source will do). Valid parameters are acpi=off, acpi=ht which both turn off acpi, and acpi=force, which forces acpi on. Simply not having any acpi parameter should turn acpi on, as it's built into the kernel as on by default. You can leave that parameter in tho, it's just being ignored by the kernel. .. Run 'draksound' as root in a term. Follow all the steps under trouble shooting. I'd add to also run 'll /dev/dsp'. Ouput should look like this tom # ll /dev/dsp lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 9 Apr 1 23:56 /dev/dsp - sound/dsp The last '-x' means user can execute sound, and '-' that dsp is linked to sound. 'fuser -v /dev/dsp' should return nothing. This means nothing is currently tyin up sound, which is what you want. Also, I didn't need aumix installed as draksound indicates. What enabled sound in 10.0 for me was to raise all the sliders in kmix to 100% . including the ones under the 'line-in' icons on the right side. At least one of 'em is the line-in from your speaker system. Checked the obvious first - volume was set to 0 in Aumix, turned it up - sound now working! This 10 is very impressive - just about everything so far has been easier to fix than in 9.0 or 9.2, and the only real problem has been caused by malfunctioning unit between chair and keyboard ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown - SOLVED!
On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:10 pm, many eyes viewed Margot's words:- Charlie wrote: This is probably no help, but just in case? For no reason this machine would not shut off, in fact I had to use shutdown -h now as root. I could get it to work by changing the sessions, saving, then changing them back. But only once after the first reboot, then it went back to this behaviour. In trying to get sound to work, I placed this line in my /etc/modules.conf which is called something different in 10.x options snd-via82xx index=0 dxs_support=2 ^^ Why this should effect the shutdown, I have no idea, but try some variations and it might just work? Charlie. Well, I managed to sort out the shutdown problem by using acpi=on, but my next project is to get the sound working so I've saved your suggestion in case it helps - or in case getting the sound working breaks my newly-fixed shutdown! Thanks Charlie! Margot Though I didn't mention it here Margot, that support line:- dxs_support=2 try several numbers at the end of that I started from 0 and got to 2 before it not only made my sound work, but shut down my computer without the root command, in Mandrake 9.2 Though previous versions of Mandrake had no trouble, either shutting down or with sound. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 + The generative energy, which, when we are loose, dissipates and makes us unclean, when we are continent invigorates and inspires us. Chastity is the flowering of man; and what are called Genius, Heroism, Holiness, and the like, are but various fruits which succeed it. ...Henry David Thoreau This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Just a side note I heard acpi and the rest was broken in some of the 2.6 kernels. The reason main reason is when I turned them off my machine does not power-off but does when they were turned on in 2.4 kernel. I can't have them on in 2.6 as I have an Nforce2 chipset and it does not work. Tony. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown On Sunday 28 March 2004 07:28 am, Margot wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. I believe the general trend with 2.4.x kernels would be to disable apic and/or acpi. With 2.6.x and newer hardware, I believe it'll be to make sure they're both enabled. The only exception to that I currently know of is nForce chipset systems which don't handle them properly. You've got a VIA chipset which will. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? Yep, trial'n error I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? No, edit lilo.conf, and try not to forget to run 'lilo' to write the changes before you reboot. (we all do sometimes ;) Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot A specification. Your Shuttle is a micro ATX. and the system is up to date enough, that I believe with 2.6.x kernels, you should (even need/want to) enable apic and acpi. You do so by removing any 'noapic', 'nolapic', and 'acpi=off' (or acpi-=ht) from the 2.6.x kernel stanza in your lilo.conf. These features are built into the kernel, no need to explicitly enable them. With those option enabled, post the results of (should look somethin like mine): tom # cat /var/log/dmesg | grep -i acpi BIOS-e820: 1fffc000 - 1000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 1000 - 2000 (ACPI NVS) ACPI: RSDP (v000 ASUS ) @ 0x000f62a0 ACPI: RSDT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc000 ACPI: FADT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc0b2 ACPI: BOOT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc030 ACPI: MADT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc058 ACPI: DSDT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x1000 MSFT 0x010b) @ 0x ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee0 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x02] address[0xfec0] global_irq_base[0x0]) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl edge) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 low level) ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0xe408 Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040311 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12) ACPI: PCI
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Monday 29 March 2004 03:26 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Just a side note I heard acpi and the rest was broken in some of the 2.6 kernels. The reason main reason is when I turned them off my machine does not power-off but does when they were turned on in 2.4 kernel. I can't have them on in 2.6 as I have an Nforce2 chipset and it does not work. Tony. 2.6.x ACPI is in very good health. It's nForce* based motherboards that are broken. I believe the kludge I've seen for nForce junk is to use 'apm=power-off' in lilo.conf See the source/comments in /usr/src/linux-2.6.?-?mdk/arch/i386/kernel/apm.c /rant/ Now before y'all nForce owners get upset, I use junk to describe win-hardware. nVidia designs and builds its chips to fully optimize under M$ operating systems, and in collaboration with M$. The rave reviews and hyperbole you read (based your hardware choice on?) have no relevance to use under a Linux OS. Mainly because nVidia refuses (isn't allowed by M$ licensing) to furnish source and hardware specs to kernel.org/OSS community. So if ya get upset with anybody, direct it at Billy Goate$ first. This is his main crime, not integrating IE (US), or Winsux Media Player (EU). -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
I wasn't looking for blame to be placed anywhere, though MS is the door to lay all blame. I will try the apm=power-off though and see if it helps me. Thanks, Tony. It was reviews of speed which helped me decide to use Nforce. How naive, sorry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown On Monday 29 March 2004 03:26 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Just a side note I heard acpi and the rest was broken in some of the 2.6 kernels. The reason main reason is when I turned them off my machine does not power-off but does when they were turned on in 2.4 kernel. I can't have them on in 2.6 as I have an Nforce2 chipset and it does not work. Tony. 2.6.x ACPI is in very good health. It's nForce* based motherboards that are broken. I believe the kludge I've seen for nForce junk is to use 'apm=power-off' in lilo.conf See the source/comments in /usr/src/linux-2.6.?-?mdk/arch/i386/kernel/apm.c /rant/ Now before y'all nForce owners get upset, I use junk to describe win-hardware. nVidia designs and builds its chips to fully optimize under M$ operating systems, and in collaboration with M$. The rave reviews and hyperbole you read (based your hardware choice on?) have no relevance to use under a Linux OS. Mainly because nVidia refuses (isn't allowed by M$ licensing) to furnish source and hardware specs to kernel.org/OSS community. So if ya get upset with anybody, direct it at Billy Goate$ first. This is his main crime, not integrating IE (US), or Winsux Media Player (EU). -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have recieved it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Sunday 28 March 2004 07:28 am, Margot wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1 m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. I believe the general trend with 2.4.x kernels would be to disable apic and/or acpi. With 2.6.x and newer hardware, I believe it'll be to make sure they're both enabled. The only exception to that I currently know of is nForce chipset systems which don't handle them properly. You've got a VIA chipset which will. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? Yep, trial'n error I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? No, edit lilo.conf, and try not to forget to run 'lilo' to write the changes before you reboot. (we all do sometimes ;) Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot A specification. Your Shuttle is a micro ATX. and the system is up to date enough, that I believe with 2.6.x kernels, you should (even need/want to) enable apic and acpi. You do so by removing any 'noapic', 'nolapic', and 'acpi=off' (or acpi-=ht) from the 2.6.x kernel stanza in your lilo.conf. These features are built into the kernel, no need to explicitly enable them. With those option enabled, post the results of (should look somethin like mine): tom # cat /var/log/dmesg | grep -i acpi BIOS-e820: 1fffc000 - 1000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 1000 - 2000 (ACPI NVS) ACPI: RSDP (v000 ASUS ) @ 0x000f62a0 ACPI: RSDT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc000 ACPI: FADT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc0b2 ACPI: BOOT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc030 ACPI: MADT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x1fffc058 ACPI: DSDT (v001 ASUS A7V600 0x1000 MSFT 0x010b) @ 0x ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee0 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x02] address[0xfec0] global_irq_base[0x0]) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl edge) ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 low level) ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0xe408 Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040311 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 *10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 *5 6 7 9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12) ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT]
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:28 pm, many eyes viewed Margot's words:- Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Well, I've now experimented with several kernels, and the one which works best so far is 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - machine still doesn't actually switch off, but everything else seems pretty stable. Perhaps now is the time to look at the acpi and apic settings that Tony suggested. I've seen these mentioned in other threads, but mainly relating to laptops. Mine's a desktop machine. Are there any standard settings for acpi and apic for different types of machine, or is is just a question of trying various combinations until I find one that works? I know that the settings appear in the append line in lilo.conf, but is this where I actually edit them, or is there another file for the settings which transfers the details into lilo.conf? Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. Is ATX a brand name, or is it some sort of specification? Mine's a Shuttle Spacewalker MV42N - I don't want to start fiddling with bios settings until I have some idea of what I'm doing! Margot This is probably no help, but just in case? For no reason this machine would not shut off, in fact I had to use shutdown -h now as root. I could get it to work by changing the sessions, saving, then changing them back. But only once after the first reboot, then it went back to this behaviour. In trying to get sound to work, I placed this line in my /etc/modules.conf which is called something different in 10.x options snd-via82xx index=0 dxs_support=2 Why this should effect the shutdown, I have no idea, but try some variations and it might just work? Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 + In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life. It goes on. ---Robert Frost This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Do you have acpi or apic turned off? Tony. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Margot Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2004 01:11 am, Margot wrote: Thanks Charlie, I'll give the new kernel a try once I can get my internet connection to stay up long enough to download the file! I have an 'unlimited' monthly-paid dialup package, but each session is supposedly time-limited to 2 hours - and unfortunately, I frequently get dropped well before the 2 hour limit. I can redial immediately of course, but that doesn't help when I'm trying to download a file the size of a kernel :-( There's an even newer version available just now. 17.6 MB's, should be about one hour on a 56K dialup. I don't know if Thomas' site supports resume. http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have recieved it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2004 21:55, Margot wrote: snip Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? /snip Margot, om my system - from 9.0 and upwards to 10.0 CE - my power never switched off. When the shutdown procedure reads Power off I can hear a tiny click inside the case, but the beast won't die. I just unplug the thing and all is well. No harm done. Same thing on the new kernel 2.6.4 from Thomas. HTH Kaj Haulrich. On this my machine, that problem was solves in bios by Enabling, enable power something, cannot quite remember which, but doing the same thing on another machine did not work. So I don't know if this is resevent to your problem, but it sometimes works. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Thursday 25 March 2004 02:03 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1m dk.nosrc.rpm Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? Margot No sooner did I post the link to Thomas' kernel, than he released an updated version2.6.4-1.tmb.4mdk Margot, the behavior you describe is probly a hardware or bios configuration deficiency. Specially if you close all applications you don't want to start on the next boot, open a term and su to root, and type 'halt'. You might also experiment with 'reboot'. In any event, yes, you're probly OK to use the power switch, particularly if you don't see any file system warnings on the next boot. On an ATX motherboard, try either 4 sec delay or instant off bios settings to see if one works better than the other. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Thursday 25 March 2004 04:14 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2004 21:55, Margot wrote: snip Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? /snip Margot, om my system - from 9.0 and upwards to 10.0 CE - my power never switched off. When the shutdown procedure reads Power off I can hear a tiny click inside the case, but the beast won't die. I just unplug the thing and all is well. No harm done. Same thing on the new kernel 2.6.4 from Thomas. HTH Kaj Haulrich. On this my machine, that problem was solves in bios by Enabling, enable power something, cannot quite remember which, but doing the same thing on another machine did not work. So I don't know if this is resevent to your problem, but it sometimes works. John There was a problem like that with some of the intel mouther boards at on time. I think the problem dates all the way back to ML 9.0 I have seen it on several machines. In fact when I have seen the problem after you see the power down message you actually have to press and hold down the power button to get the machine to shut down. I have no idea if it has been fixed in 10.0 Marc -- Composed on a 100% Microsoft and windows free computer using Mandrake Linux 10.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Thursday 25 Mar 2004 12:23 pm, Marc wrote: There was a problem like that with some of the intel mouther boards at on time. I think the problem dates all the way back to ML 9.0 I have seen it on several machines. In fact when I have seen the problem after you see the power down message you actually have to press and hold down the power button to get the machine to shut down. I have no idea if it has been fixed in 10.0 Marc This machine developed the problem by itself while I was running 9.0. Since upgrading to 9.1 (and then 9.2) I haven't seen it. Probably only because I haven't done the same daft thing, whatever it was. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 01:11 am, Margot wrote: Thanks Charlie, I'll give the new kernel a try once I can get my internet connection to stay up long enough to download the file! I have an 'unlimited' monthly-paid dialup package, but each session is supposedly time-limited to 2 hours - and unfortunately, I frequently get dropped well before the 2 hour limit. I can redial immediately of course, but that doesn't help when I'm trying to download a file the size of a kernel :-( Meanwhile, what does the extra 'S' stand for? Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly So Boring? An extra sync just before unmounting the filesystems and rebooting. It's the way I first learned the shutdown procedure raising skinny elephants is sometimes utterly boring R S E I S U B Margot There's an even newer version available just now. 17.6 MB's, should be about one hour on a 56K dialup. I don't know if Thomas' site supports resume. http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.nosrc.rpm ... here is the changelog * Tue Mar 23 12:00:00 2004 Thomas Backlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - fix specfile rm -rf for ppc(64) and missing 'asm-' in *x86* includes * thanks to Danny for reporting this - remove orinoco 0.14alpha2 patch, it's to buggy at this stage... - drop lirc patch MD07, as it's merged in the updated MD05 - fix ZS99 menu-cleanups patch to actually allow ppc builds (Danny) - new ppc(64) configs (Danny) - map sysrq to powerbutton on power and ibooks (Danny) - acpi 20040311 (Svetljo) - update packet writing support (Svetljo) - support ITE it8212 RAID chip (Svetljo) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2004 01:11 am, Margot wrote: Thanks Charlie, I'll give the new kernel a try once I can get my internet connection to stay up long enough to download the file! I have an 'unlimited' monthly-paid dialup package, but each session is supposedly time-limited to 2 hours - and unfortunately, I frequently get dropped well before the 2 hour limit. I can redial immediately of course, but that doesn't help when I'm trying to download a file the size of a kernel :-( Meanwhile, what does the extra 'S' stand for? Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly So Boring? An extra sync just before unmounting the filesystems and rebooting. It's the way I first learned the shutdown procedure raising skinny elephants is sometimes utterly boring R S E I S U B Margot There's an even newer version available just now. 17.6 MB's, should be about one hour on a 56K dialup. I don't know if Thomas' site supports resume. http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm http://www.iki.fi/tmb/Cooker/kernel-tmb-2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk-1-1mdk.nosrc.rpm ... here is the changelog * Tue Mar 23 12:00:00 2004 Thomas Backlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.6.4-1.tmb.3mdk - fix specfile rm -rf for ppc(64) and missing 'asm-' in *x86* includes * thanks to Danny for reporting this - remove orinoco 0.14alpha2 patch, it's to buggy at this stage... - drop lirc patch MD07, as it's merged in the updated MD05 - fix ZS99 menu-cleanups patch to actually allow ppc builds (Danny) - new ppc(64) configs (Danny) - map sysrq to powerbutton on power and ibooks (Danny) - acpi 20040311 (Svetljo) - update packet writing support (Svetljo) - support ITE it8212 RAID chip (Svetljo) Thanks Tom - I'll give it a try and see what I get. Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 21:55, Margot wrote: snip Well, some success... I managed to download and install the new kernel (without getting cut off this time), and the shutdown now goes past the original hang point, but now it gets to this: md: md0 switched to read-only mode. Power down. ...but it doesn't actually switch off! I assume that it is safe to just hit the power switch at this point, but is there some setting I could change so it will switch off automatically? /snip Margot, om my system - from 9.0 and upwards to 10.0 CE - my power never switched off. When the shutdown procedure reads Power off I can hear a tiny click inside the case, but the beast won't die. I just unplug the thing and all is well. No harm done. Same thing on the new kernel 2.6.4 from Thomas. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
On Tuesday 23 Mar 2004 6:45 pm, Margot wrote: Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get as far as this... uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered ... and then it hangs. I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix on the way, but meanwhile... Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean shutdown and poweroff? To answer the original question - the cheat sheet I have here has O for Off... Unless It turns something else off... -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 23, 2004 11:45 am, Margot wrote: Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get as far as this... uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered ... and then it hangs. I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix on the way, but meanwhile... Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean shutdown and poweroff? Margot Yeah, install Thomas Backlund's latest kernel from contrib. It seems to have fixed the USB glitch for most people. Including 4 of the systems I was screaming at last week. g BTW adding another S to your magic keys sequence may be warranted Margot. I mean between the U and B. Just in case. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org When you speak to others for their own good it's advice; when they speak to you for your own good it's interference. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAYIlUZqvqlrLPr5YRAjwkAJ9BkfwCLl6PptDOfU8NP0bhA7Xo2wCfQvNZ ilKQZdq9PM4e4wKjoqfavIU= =Bqde -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 CE Shutdown
Charlie Mahan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 23, 2004 11:45 am, Margot wrote: Newly installed 10 CE won't shutdown/poweroff cleanly - using either the root terminal shutdown process or the KDE logout button I get as far as this... uhci_hcd :00:11.2: USB bus 1 deregistered ... and then it hangs. I know this is a known issue, and apparently there is a kernel fix on the way, but meanwhile... Alt + SysRq + R S E I U B will give me a reboot from where the shutdown hangs - is there a similar trick which will give me a clean shutdown and poweroff? Margot Yeah, install Thomas Backlund's latest kernel from contrib. It seems to have fixed the USB glitch for most people. Including 4 of the systems I was screaming at last week. g BTW adding another S to your magic keys sequence may be warranted Margot. I mean between the U and B. Just in case. Regards; Charlie Thanks Charlie, I'll give the new kernel a try once I can get my internet connection to stay up long enough to download the file! I have an 'unlimited' monthly-paid dialup package, but each session is supposedly time-limited to 2 hours - and unfortunately, I frequently get dropped well before the 2 hour limit. I can redial immediately of course, but that doesn't help when I'm trying to download a file the size of a kernel :-( Meanwhile, what does the extra 'S' stand for? Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly So Boring? Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
