Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal/Resolved
On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 11:53, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:37:48 + Langsley T Russell disseminated the following: I'm not sure just which changes made the difference as I made several at one time. In the end I realized that the highest resolution I could achieve is 1280X960. Nothing I do will get it to use 1280X1024 Whackaroony IIANM, 1280x1024 is kind of an 'unnatural' resolution, no? It generally follows a 4:3 ratio, which is the natural dimensions of most monitors (excepting the 'theatre' type displays, of course). Normal Displays - listen up SchmoeGill: 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1600x1200 Make a note, empty your bong, clear your mind, drink green tea. Mind the catepillar. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- There are more ways of killing a cat than choking her with cream. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal/Resolved
On Saturday 20 March 2004 06:53 pm, JoeHill wrote: IIANM, 1280x1024 is kind of an 'unnatural' resolution, no? It generally follows a 4:3 ratio, which is the natural dimensions of most monitors (excepting the 'theatre' type displays, of course). This is true, but not for many LCD monitors. The native resolution for my 19.3 Samsung is 1280x1024 @ 80Hz. XFree runs it at 75Hz, which since it's over 70 is fine with me ;) It is a little wider in respect to height than CRT monitors. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
On Thursday 18 March 2004 09:41 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote: screen #0: dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (374x302 millimeters) resolution: 87x86 dots per inch depths (7): 24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32 I didn't try measuring in mm as I don't have a ruler that measures that well. Neither do I. I measured in inches an then Googled for 'distance converter'. FWIW, for most video card/monitor combinations it's best to use 24 depth. XFdrake is fairly smart, it'll probly default to 24x even if you choose 32x. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 18 March 2004 09:41 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote: screen #0: dimensions:1280x1024 pixels (374x302 millimeters) resolution:87x86 dots per inch depths (7):24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32 I didn't try measuring in mm as I don't have a ruler that measures that well. Neither do I. I measured in inches an then Googled for 'distance converter'. FWIW, for most video card/monitor combinations it's best to use 24 depth. XFdrake is fairly smart, it'll probly default to 24x even if you choose 32x. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com I'll try that. I probalby have it in 32. -- Troy T. Hall Registered Linux User #342150 Mandrake Club Member Abilene, KS. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
On Wednesday 17 March 2004 10:13 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote: Tom, while we're on the topic of Monitors, When I have to switch between XP and Linux I always have to hit the auto button. Can that be stopped? Also, anyway to make the fonts clearer? I've got the XFT set to 140 which is what I measured with GIMP. They are better now then they were before doing that. I don't know how some y'all are comin up with very high dpi numbers... xdpyinfo: screen #0: dimensions:1280x1024 pixels (382x313 millimeters) resolution:85x83 dots per inch If I do the Gimp calibration I come up with about 87 dpi. I measured the viewing area with a measuring tape an it was as 'xdpyinfo' reported, 382x313 mm. Maybe your 191T is a little better than my 191N but that much !? I don't have any font issues at 85x83. I also just use the fonts that come with the Mandrake distro. Usually Luxi Sans and Courier 10 Pitch. As to the 'Auto' button, it's not an issue for me ... no Winsux on the system. IIRC tho, the (old) fix was to run 'xvidtune' and use the modeline it suggests to put in yourXFree config file. I always thought it'd be simpler to use the 'Auto' button. Why trash Linux to be as screwed up as Winblows? -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
On Wednesday 17 Mar 2004 1:01 am, Langsley T Russell wrote: Hi all. I bought a beautiful new Samsung 191T plus 19 inch TFT LCD monitor. It has a resolution of 1280X1024 @75Hz. I'm running MDK 9.2. When I attach the new monitor and reboot everything goes fine through the entire boot process, then just as x starts to load (at least I think that's what's happening) the screen goes black and I get a dialogue box saying unusable signal. I don't see any way around this. Is there some way to setup my system using my CRT monitor so that when I attach my LCD monitor it will produce a usable signal? Or is there some way with the LCD monitor connected to do some sort of configuration of my system to make it usable? The monitor came with Linux setup instructions but I'll admit I don't really understand them and if I can't get a picture at all how can I configure anything? My monitor would work fine at lower resolutions, but I got the same thing as you for native resolution. It seems that the monitor specification for native res was tight, and it was too close to the top end of my (ancient) video card. Close to the top end (and that can appear to be a long way off the top end) the card is limited in what frequencies it can provide. I solved it by buying a cheap but newer card. eg. If the clock rate of the card is 10MHz, thats a fastest bit period of 100ns. It can produce 100ns, 200ns, 300ns, 400ns etc, but nothing in between. Those are frequencies of 10MHz, 5MHz, 3.3MHz, 2.5MHz... If your monitor needs 3.8-4.2MHz it isn't going to work. But replace it with a card with a clock rate of 150MHz and it will work fine. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 15:15, Troy Thomas Hall wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: SNIP idea to reboot after doing that (on the command line, type reboot) - then ya should be good to go from there. /SNIP Reboot is back? WOW!! I haven't seen reboot since MSDOS 3.1 ;-) Being a runlevel 3 person (I truly hate graphical logins and the lack of control you have) you have: * poweroff (turns off the computer - duh) * reboot (obvious as hell) * halt (well, here you want to know some switches) ...and the ever popular - PULL THE PLUG OUT DA WALL ...some things will never change. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Dead? No excuse for laying off work. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com cool, thanks for the tips. -- Troy T. Hall Registered Linux User #342150 Mandrake Club Member Abilene, KS. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 17 March 2004 10:13 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote: Tom, while we're on the topic of Monitors, When I have to switch between XP and Linux I always have to hit the auto button. Can that be stopped? Also, anyway to make the fonts clearer? I've got the XFT set to 140 which is what I measured with GIMP. They are better now then they were before doing that. I don't know how some y'all are comin up with very high dpi numbers... xdpyinfo: screen #0: dimensions:1280x1024 pixels (382x313 millimeters) resolution:85x83 dots per inch If I do the Gimp calibration I come up with about 87 dpi. I measured the viewing area with a measuring tape an it was as 'xdpyinfo' reported, 382x313 mm. Maybe your 191T is a little better than my 191N but that much !? I don't have any font issues at 85x83. I also just use the fonts that come with the Mandrake distro. Usually Luxi Sans and Courier 10 Pitch. As to the 'Auto' button, it's not an issue for me ... no Winsux on the system. IIRC tho, the (old) fix was to run 'xvidtune' and use the modeline it suggests to put in yourXFree config file. I always thought it'd be simpler to use the 'Auto' button. Why trash Linux to be as screwed up as Winblows? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com does it matter that xdpyinfo says I'm using the default monitor? I got pretty much that same as what you got... screen #0: dimensions:1280x1024 pixels (374x302 millimeters) resolution:87x86 dots per inch depths (7):24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32 I didn't try measuring in mm as I don't have a ruler that measures that well. -- Troy T. Hall Registered Linux User #342150 Mandrake Club Member Abilene, KS. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
On Tuesday 16 March 2004 07:01 pm, Langsley T Russell wrote:
Hi all.
I bought a beautiful new Samsung 191T plus 19 inch TFT LCD
monitor. It has a resolution of 1280X1024 @75Hz. I'm running
MDK 9.2. When I attach the new monitor and reboot everything
goes fine through the entire boot process, then just as x
starts to load (at least I think that's what's happening) the
screen goes black and I get a dialogue box saying unusable
signal. I don't see any way around this.
Is there some way to setup my system using my CRT monitor so
that when I attach my LCD monitor it will produce a usable
signal? Or is there some way with the LCD monitor connected to
do some sort of configuration of my system to make it usable?
The monitor came with Linux setup instructions but I'll admit I
don't really understand them and if I can't get a picture at
all how can I configure anything?
Thanks for any insight you can provide
LTR }}:{(
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've had a Samsung 191N for several months now. Originally
with 9.2-cooker 10.0, now 10.0CE+updates. Never had a problem.
I briefly looked at the instructions that came with the monitor.
Then threw them in the trash. To damn complicated, an looked to
be incorrect anyhow ;)
So when I first used the monitor I rebooted and when the lilo
screen came up I hit Esc and ran 'linux 3'. Actually I had
several kernels installed so I used 'kernel version init 3' to
get to a level 3 prompt (text based). I then logged in as root
and ran 'XFdrake', selected Generic Flat Panel @ 1280x1024,
made sure everything was as I wanted and saved/exited.
Rebooted and the monitor was set up as you say at 1280x1024 @
75Hz. which is it's native resolution. IIRC, I also had to press
the Auto button on the front panel to correctly center the
screen. With the Mandrake Move live CD, the monitor starts at
1600x1200, and then I haft'a use XFdrake to resize it. So even
with the wrong XF-config settings the 191T should startup.
BUT, what you see on the monitor (any system) is a product of
your motherboard/PSU, your video card, and your monitor workin
together. Your problem doesn't sound like it's the monitor. I
have a nVidia GeF4 using the XFree 'nv' driver, on a Asus A7V600
(kt600 chipset) with a 430w Antec PSU. If you want, I'll send
you my XFree config file, 'ddcxinfos', and 'xdpyinfo' (offlist).
--
Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas
Proud to be an American
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RE: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
Title: RE: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
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Subject: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
Hi all.
I bought a beautiful new Samsung 191T plus 19 inch TFT LCD monitor. It
has a resolution of 1280X1024 @75Hz. I'm running MDK 9.2. When I attach
the new monitor and reboot everything goes fine through the entire boot
process, then just as x starts to load (at least I think that's what's
happening) the screen goes black and I get a dialogue box saying
unusable signal. I don't see any way around this.
Is there some way to setup my system using my CRT monitor so that when I
attach my LCD monitor it will produce a usable signal? Or is there
some way with the LCD monitor connected to do some sort of configuration
of my system to make it usable? The monitor came with Linux setup
instructions but I'll admit I don't really understand them and if I
can't get a picture at all how can I configure anything?
Thanks for any insight you can provide
LTR }}:{(
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Put your CD1 into the drive and reboot, at the first screen choose F1 and then type in rescue, once the rescue screen comes up you should be able to change your screen resolution. Alternative is to put the CD1 in and at the first screen hit enter and then run through the upgrade side without choosing any new packages, when it gets to the end click on the button for your screen resolution and make sure it has found the correct monitor etc, if not change it. HTH
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 12:01, Langsley T Russell wrote:
Hi all.
I bought a beautiful new Samsung 191T plus 19 inch TFT LCD monitor. It
has a resolution of 1280X1024 @75Hz. I'm running MDK 9.2. When I attach
the new monitor and reboot everything goes fine through the entire boot
process, then just as x starts to load (at least I think that's what's
happening) the screen goes black and I get a dialogue box saying
unusable signal. I don't see any way around this.
Is there some way to setup my system using my CRT monitor so that when I
attach my LCD monitor it will produce a usable signal? Or is there
some way with the LCD monitor connected to do some sort of configuration
of my system to make it usable? The monitor came with Linux setup
instructions but I'll admit I don't really understand them and if I
can't get a picture at all how can I configure anything?
Thanks for any insight you can provide
LTR }}:{(
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
When X is trying to start up (with the LCD plugged in) you can hit
CTRL-ALT-F2 which should take you to a secondary login in text mode; if
you can get to that, login in text mode and then after logging in, run
/usr/sbin/XFdrake - and change the monitor settings; probably a good
idea to reboot after doing that (on the command line, type reboot) -
then ya should be good to go from there.
stephen kuhn - owner
==
illawarra computer services
a kuhn media australia company
http://kma.0catch.com
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Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
Langsley T Russell wrote:
Hi all.
I bought a beautiful new Samsung 191T plus 19 inch TFT LCD monitor. It
has a resolution of 1280X1024 @75Hz. I'm running MDK 9.2. When I attach
the new monitor and reboot everything goes fine through the entire boot
process, then just as x starts to load (at least I think that's what's
happening) the screen goes black and I get a dialogue box saying
unusable signal. I don't see any way around this.
Is there some way to setup my system using my CRT monitor so that when I
attach my LCD monitor it will produce a usable signal? Or is there
some way with the LCD monitor connected to do some sort of configuration
of my system to make it usable? The monitor came with Linux setup
instructions but I'll admit I don't really understand them and if I
can't get a picture at all how can I configure anything?
Thanks for any insight you can provide
LTR }}:{(
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I had this same problem, and also have a 19 TFT LCD monitor. What was
strange was the solution. when you go to install 9.2 and you get to the
last screen where you configure your location for time, and your network
and all that? Well, you'll notice that it thinks its got your screen
all figured out. IT DOESNT!! Its lieing to you. It has everything
right, but for whatever reason you have to go in there tell it test
also physically choose the same video card/monitor again. I don't know
why I had to do that. Maybe its just me. But once I did that it worked
first time, everytime. With 10 all I did was go there hit test and
*POOF* it worked.
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Registered Linux User #342150
Mandrake Club Member
Abilene, KS.
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Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Tuesday 16 March 2004 07:01 pm, Langsley T Russell wrote:
Hi all.
I bought a beautiful new Samsung 191T plus 19 inch TFT LCD
monitor. It has a resolution of 1280X1024 @75Hz. I'm running
MDK 9.2. When I attach the new monitor and reboot everything
goes fine through the entire boot process, then just as x
starts to load (at least I think that's what's happening) the
screen goes black and I get a dialogue box saying unusable
signal. I don't see any way around this.
Is there some way to setup my system using my CRT monitor so
that when I attach my LCD monitor it will produce a usable
signal? Or is there some way with the LCD monitor connected to
do some sort of configuration of my system to make it usable?
The monitor came with Linux setup instructions but I'll admit I
don't really understand them and if I can't get a picture at
all how can I configure anything?
Thanks for any insight you can provide
LTR }}:{(
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've had a Samsung 191N for several months now. Originally
with 9.2-cooker 10.0, now 10.0CE+updates. Never had a problem.
I briefly looked at the instructions that came with the monitor.
Then threw them in the trash. To damn complicated, an looked to
be incorrect anyhow ;)
So when I first used the monitor I rebooted and when the lilo
screen came up I hit Esc and ran 'linux 3'. Actually I had
several kernels installed so I used 'kernel version init 3' to
get to a level 3 prompt (text based). I then logged in as root
and ran 'XFdrake', selected Generic Flat Panel @ 1280x1024,
made sure everything was as I wanted and saved/exited.
Rebooted and the monitor was set up as you say at 1280x1024 @
75Hz. which is it's native resolution. IIRC, I also had to press
the Auto button on the front panel to correctly center the
screen. With the Mandrake Move live CD, the monitor starts at
1600x1200, and then I haft'a use XFdrake to resize it. So even
with the wrong XF-config settings the 191T should startup.
BUT, what you see on the monitor (any system) is a product of
your motherboard/PSU, your video card, and your monitor workin
together. Your problem doesn't sound like it's the monitor. I
have a nVidia GeF4 using the XFree 'nv' driver, on a Asus A7V600
(kt600 chipset) with a 430w Antec PSU. If you want, I'll send
you my XFree config file, 'ddcxinfos', and 'xdpyinfo' (offlist).
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Tom, while we're on the topic of Monitors, When I have to switch between
XP and Linux I always have to hit the auto button. Can that be
stopped? Also, anyway to make the fonts clearer? I've got the XFT set
to 140 which is what I measured with GIMP. They are better now then
they were before doing that.
--
Troy T. Hall
Registered Linux User #342150
Mandrake Club Member
Abilene, KS.
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
Stephen Kuhn wrote: SNIP idea to reboot after doing that (on the command line, type reboot) - then ya should be good to go from there. /SNIP Reboot is back? WOW!! I haven't seen reboot since MSDOS 3.1 ;-) -- Troy T. Hall Registered Linux User #342150 Mandrake Club Member Abilene, KS. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] LCD Monitor-Unusable signal
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 15:15, Troy Thomas Hall wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: SNIP idea to reboot after doing that (on the command line, type reboot) - then ya should be good to go from there. /SNIP Reboot is back? WOW!! I haven't seen reboot since MSDOS 3.1 ;-) Being a runlevel 3 person (I truly hate graphical logins and the lack of control you have) you have: * poweroff (turns off the computer - duh) * reboot (obvious as hell) * halt (well, here you want to know some switches) ...and the ever popular - PULL THE PLUG OUT DA WALL ...some things will never change. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Dead? No excuse for laying off work. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
