Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
No, it stands for switch user. If you look at the man or info page, you shall see that it allows you to switch to _any_ user, not only the superuser. On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:40:08 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, su stands for Super User; David Charles On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I assume that by localhost you mean the login prompt. If so, you need to log in as root, not su. su is a console command which stands for switch user; it is not a user in itself. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:36:15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You answered all my questions and It hinders on one factor only. Initial installation I left almost all checkboxes unchecked. I did not want items installed that I do not need. So I must assume when I cannot log in at localhost as the su, something is lacking. So it is best to add all then go back and remove. I assumed doing it the other way would work. A good learning experiment. Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:14:22 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope you have broad shoulders. I am getting no where and it may be your fault. You are helping me, because of the problems you are dealing with. Is it possible to have more than one desktop? Of course. GNU/Linux is all about choice :-) KDE bye, bye. The help section is beautiful. As I get to items such as type in the following command, it is unreadable. (special code?!!) I have no internet hook up on the linux yet. Checking out Gnome, I visited there site. Is the version you downloaded the one that has all the Java capabilities? Java has nothing to do with the desktop environment. You can get a Java Runtime Environment at java.sun.com. Is it possible to log in as su at localhost instead of user? Localhost is your computer name, not a user name. You _can_ log in directly as root (that's the superuser's name), but it is recommended that you do everything as a user and su (switch user) to root only when you need to (e.g. when installing RPMs). I am getting lazy. I too have the CD's. I noticed when checking out the rpm's installable, installed windows nothing that I have installed is showing. If the RPM is on your system doing an upgrade manually will ignore or override RPM? I guess we are to assume that the RPM and manual installs if done correctly will place files in the same locations on the file system? I did find a site that explained the drawbacks of using RPM. Do you know of a way to get the items off of the CD's without using RPM's? I'm not too sure what you mean here. If you want to look _inside_ RPM packages, you can do this with mc (Midnight Commander), a console file manager. Tools like Mandrake's Software Manager, GNOME's gnoRPM and KDE's KPackage all interface with the RPM system, and so can correctly install RPMs. Upgrading Mandrake as a whole (e.g. from the CDs) respects the existing RPM database, and upgrades rather than replaces it. Also, you can use the console RPM app to install packages. Kathy Peter Rymshaw wrote: The serious problems with gnome seemed to be fixed (I did find still another gnome RPM. Maybe that did it I still can't understand why it was necessary to do it manually, though. --- Peter Rymshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). I've found that some of these problems have gone away after I've installed more gnome files from the RPMs on CD-ROM, so that might be the heart of the problem (and also what I would consider a serious bug in the program). But I have installed everything that I can find named gnome and there are still problems. (And shouldn't the initial installation of Gnome from the install CD have worked even without what I've done?) What I've done now is gone to the Ximian signt and downloaded their gnome files (and also gnuCash which I had tried to install earlier without success). I figure I should install -core- first, then perhaps -applets-, -libs-, -utils- and the others I found. Ximian says that it is based on gnome 1.4, and instructions are that it is not necessary to first
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
ehhh.. I could have sworn it stood for SWITCH user and the defualt user to switch to is root, since I can su to any other user by su anyotheruser and it asks for and confirms the password. On Thursday 20 September 2001 20:40, you wrote: Hi, su stands for Super User; David Charles On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I assume that by localhost you mean the login prompt. If so, you need to log in as root, not su. su is a console command which stands for switch user; it is not a user in itself. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:36:15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You answered all my questions and It hinders on one factor only. Initial installation I left almost all checkboxes unchecked. I did not want items installed that I do not need. So I must assume when I cannot log in at localhost as the su, something is lacking. So it is best to add all then go back and remove. I assumed doing it the other way would work. A good learning experiment. Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:14:22 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope you have broad shoulders. I am getting no where and it may be your fault. You are helping me, because of the problems you are dealing with. Is it possible to have more than one desktop? Of course. GNU/Linux is all about choice :-) KDE bye, bye. The help section is beautiful. As I get to items such as type in the following command, it is unreadable. (special code?!!) I have no internet hook up on the linux yet. Checking out Gnome, I visited there site. Is the version you downloaded the one that has all the Java capabilities? Java has nothing to do with the desktop environment. You can get a Java Runtime Environment at java.sun.com. Is it possible to log in as su at localhost instead of user? Localhost is your computer name, not a user name. You _can_ log in directly as root (that's the superuser's name), but it is recommended that you do everything as a user and su (switch user) to root only when you need to (e.g. when installing RPMs). I am getting lazy. I too have the CD's. I noticed when checking out the rpm's installable, installed windows nothing that I have installed is showing. If the RPM is on your system doing an upgrade manually will ignore or override RPM? I guess we are to assume that the RPM and manual installs if done correctly will place files in the same locations on the file system? I did find a site that explained the drawbacks of using RPM. Do you know of a way to get the items off of the CD's without using RPM's? I'm not too sure what you mean here. If you want to look _inside_ RPM packages, you can do this with mc (Midnight Commander), a console file manager. Tools like Mandrake's Software Manager, GNOME's gnoRPM and KDE's KPackage all interface with the RPM system, and so can correctly install RPMs. Upgrading Mandrake as a whole (e.g. from the CDs) respects the existing RPM database, and upgrades rather than replaces it. Also, you can use the console RPM app to install packages. Kathy Peter Rymshaw wrote: The serious problems with gnome seemed to be fixed (I did find still another gnome RPM. Maybe that did it I still can't understand why it was necessary to do it manually, though. --- Peter Rymshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). I've found that some of these problems have gone away after I've installed more gnome files from the RPMs on CD-ROM, so that might be the heart of the problem (and also what I would consider a serious bug in the program). But I have installed everything that I can find named gnome and there are still problems. (And shouldn't the initial installation of Gnome from the install CD have worked even without what I've done?) What I've done now is gone to the Ximian signt and downloaded their gnome files (and also gnuCash which I had tried to install earlier without success). I figure I should install -core- first, then perhaps -applets-, -libs-, -utils- and the others I found. Ximian says that it is based on gnome 1.4, and
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
Hi, I apologize; I stand corrected. I got the following from http://linux.com/develop/man/1/su NAME su - run a shell with substitute user and group IDs SYNOPSIS su [OPTION]... [-] [USER [ARG]...] DESCRIPTION Change the effective user id and group id to that of USER. -, -l, --login make the shell a login shell -c, --commmand=COMMAND pass a single COMMAND to the shell with -c -f, --fast pass -f to the shell (for csh or tcsh) -m, --preserve-environment do not reset environment variables -p same as -m -s, --shell=SHELL run SHELL if /etc/shells allows it --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit A mere - implies -l. If USER not given, assume root. From this, I take it that it stands for Substitute User. (I got Super User from a book, and when I remember which one it was, I will post its name here) David Charles On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Michael Scottaline wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:40:08 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: Hi, su stands for Super User; David Charles == Isn't is switch user? If you su another user and give that user's password, you go to that users account rather than root. If you simply su, I believe root simply acts as the default and that password works. Mike -- No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution. Machiavelli from _The Art of War_ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize; I stand corrected. I got the following from http://linux.com/develop/man/1/su snip From this, I take it that it stands for Substitute User. (I got Super User from a book, and when I remember which one it was, I will post its name here) David, No need to post the name of the book. Referring to SU as the Super User seems to be a common thing to do, among users and books. I suspect that civileme gave the correct original answer in his post, but I forget exactly what he said -- was it Switch UID (or substitute UID? -- it was something uid). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:20:14 -0400, Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize; I stand corrected. I got the following from http://linux.com/develop/man/1/su snip From this, I take it that it stands for Substitute User. (I got Super User from a book, and when I remember which one it was, I will post its name here) David, No need to post the name of the book. Referring to SU as the Super User seems to be a common thing to do, among users and books. I suspect that civileme gave the correct original answer in his post, but I forget exactly what he said -- was it Switch UID (or substitute UID? It was SetUid (an old command from libc), which means Set User ID. Therefore, su means Set User. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
I assume that by localhost you mean the login prompt. If so, you need to log in as root, not su. su is a console command which stands for switch user; it is not a user in itself. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:36:15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You answered all my questions and It hinders on one factor only. Initial installation I left almost all checkboxes unchecked. I did not want items installed that I do not need. So I must assume when I cannot log in at localhost as the su, something is lacking. So it is best to add all then go back and remove. I assumed doing it the other way would work. A good learning experiment. Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:14:22 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope you have broad shoulders. I am getting no where and it may be your fault. You are helping me, because of the problems you are dealing with. Is it possible to have more than one desktop? Of course. GNU/Linux is all about choice :-) KDE bye, bye. The help section is beautiful. As I get to items such as type in the following command, it is unreadable. (special code?!!) I have no internet hook up on the linux yet. Checking out Gnome, I visited there site. Is the version you downloaded the one that has all the Java capabilities? Java has nothing to do with the desktop environment. You can get a Java Runtime Environment at java.sun.com. Is it possible to log in as su at localhost instead of user? Localhost is your computer name, not a user name. You _can_ log in directly as root (that's the superuser's name), but it is recommended that you do everything as a user and su (switch user) to root only when you need to (e.g. when installing RPMs). I am getting lazy. I too have the CD's. I noticed when checking out the rpm's installable, installed windows nothing that I have installed is showing. If the RPM is on your system doing an upgrade manually will ignore or override RPM? I guess we are to assume that the RPM and manual installs if done correctly will place files in the same locations on the file system? I did find a site that explained the drawbacks of using RPM. Do you know of a way to get the items off of the CD's without using RPM's? I'm not too sure what you mean here. If you want to look _inside_ RPM packages, you can do this with mc (Midnight Commander), a console file manager. Tools like Mandrake's Software Manager, GNOME's gnoRPM and KDE's KPackage all interface with the RPM system, and so can correctly install RPMs. Upgrading Mandrake as a whole (e.g. from the CDs) respects the existing RPM database, and upgrades rather than replaces it. Also, you can use the console RPM app to install packages. Kathy Peter Rymshaw wrote: The serious problems with gnome seemed to be fixed (I did find still another gnome RPM. Maybe that did it I still can't understand why it was necessary to do it manually, though. --- Peter Rymshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). I've found that some of these problems have gone away after I've installed more gnome files from the RPMs on CD-ROM, so that might be the heart of the problem (and also what I would consider a serious bug in the program). But I have installed everything that I can find named gnome and there are still problems. (And shouldn't the initial installation of Gnome from the install CD have worked even without what I've done?) What I've done now is gone to the Ximian signt and downloaded their gnome files (and also gnuCash which I had tried to install earlier without success). I figure I should install -core- first, then perhaps -applets-, -libs-, -utils- and the others I found. Ximian says that it is based on gnome 1.4, and instructions are that it is not necessary to first remove regular gnome installation--that it will automatically upgrade files. My hopes are that whatever files are giving me problems will be replaced and most if not all of my problems solved. But I also seem to remember having read somewhere that installation of Ximian must be on a sound gnome base. Do I need to find and fix my gnome problems before installing Ximian? That's the key question. Sorry to go on so long with this. Anyone know? Just occurred to me, I should ask
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:40:08 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: Hi, su stands for Super User; David Charles == Isn't is switch user? If you su another user and give that user's password, you go to that users account rather than root. If you simply su, I believe root simply acts as the default and that password works. Mike -- No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution. Machiavelli from _The Art of War_ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:14:22 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope you have broad shoulders. I am getting no where and it may be your fault. You are helping me, because of the problems you are dealing with. Is it possible to have more than one desktop? Of course. GNU/Linux is all about choice :-) KDE bye, bye. The help section is beautiful. As I get to items such as type in the following command, it is unreadable. (special code?!!) I have no internet hook up on the linux yet. Checking out Gnome, I visited there site. Is the version you downloaded the one that has all the Java capabilities? Java has nothing to do with the desktop environment. You can get a Java Runtime Environment at java.sun.com. Is it possible to log in as su at localhost instead of user? Localhost is your computer name, not a user name. You _can_ log in directly as root (that's the superuser's name), but it is recommended that you do everything as a user and su (switch user) to root only when you need to (e.g. when installing RPMs). I am getting lazy. I too have the CD's. I noticed when checking out the rpm's installable, installed windows nothing that I have installed is showing. If the RPM is on your system doing an upgrade manually will ignore or override RPM? I guess we are to assume that the RPM and manual installs if done correctly will place files in the same locations on the file system? I did find a site that explained the drawbacks of using RPM. Do you know of a way to get the items off of the CD's without using RPM's? I'm not too sure what you mean here. If you want to look _inside_ RPM packages, you can do this with mc (Midnight Commander), a console file manager. Tools like Mandrake's Software Manager, GNOME's gnoRPM and KDE's KPackage all interface with the RPM system, and so can correctly install RPMs. Upgrading Mandrake as a whole (e.g. from the CDs) respects the existing RPM database, and upgrades rather than replaces it. Also, you can use the console RPM app to install packages. Kathy Peter Rymshaw wrote: The serious problems with gnome seemed to be fixed (I did find still another gnome RPM. Maybe that did it I still can't understand why it was necessary to do it manually, though. --- Peter Rymshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). I've found that some of these problems have gone away after I've installed more gnome files from the RPMs on CD-ROM, so that might be the heart of the problem (and also what I would consider a serious bug in the program). But I have installed everything that I can find named gnome and there are still problems. (And shouldn't the initial installation of Gnome from the install CD have worked even without what I've done?) What I've done now is gone to the Ximian signt and downloaded their gnome files (and also gnuCash which I had tried to install earlier without success). I figure I should install -core- first, then perhaps -applets-, -libs-, -utils- and the others I found. Ximian says that it is based on gnome 1.4, and instructions are that it is not necessary to first remove regular gnome installation--that it will automatically upgrade files. My hopes are that whatever files are giving me problems will be replaced and most if not all of my problems solved. But I also seem to remember having read somewhere that installation of Ximian must be on a sound gnome base. Do I need to find and fix my gnome problems before installing Ximian? That's the key question. Sorry to go on so long with this. Anyone know? Just occurred to me, I should ask Ximian, even though this is the free download I'm talking about. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
Use Ximian is you are going to use GNOME. Makes life easier. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Peter Rymshaw wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). I've found that some of these problems have gone away after I've installed more gnome files from the RPMs on CD-ROM, so that might be the heart of the problem (and also what I would consider a serious bug in the program). But I have installed everything that I can find named gnome and there are still problems. (And shouldn't the initial installation of Gnome from the install CD have worked even without what I've done?) What I've done now is gone to the Ximian signt and downloaded their gnome files (and also gnuCash which I had tried to install earlier without success). I figure I should install -core- first, then perhaps -applets-, -libs-, -utils- and the others I found. Ximian says that it is based on gnome 1.4, and instructions are that it is not necessary to first remove regular gnome installation--that it will automatically upgrade files. My hopes are that whatever files are giving me problems will be replaced and most if not all of my problems solved. But I also seem to remember having read somewhere that installation of Ximian must be on a sound gnome base. Do I need to find and fix my gnome problems before installing Ximian? That's the key question. Sorry to go on so long with this. Anyone know? Just occurred to me, I should ask Ximian, even though this is the free download I'm talking about. -- Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
-Original Message- From: civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 5:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Peter Rymshaw Subject: Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome? On Tuesday 18 September 2001 17:16, Peter Rymshaw wrote: (..snip..) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). (..snip..) Well, you need to select a GNOME menu for GNOME and forget our integrated menu structure. But actually your freezes are most likely related to a bad default theme from nautilus. Use the security update feature of Software Manager to update mandrake_desk and the problems should vanish. No need to DL Ximian for that. Civileme Another thing is you might test to see if you have bad memory. I had the same symptoms plus constant crashes whenever I ran something bigger than a terminal windows. When I ran a thorough memory test I found that I had a bad stick. When I removed that stick everything ran much better... http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
A login is a core OS function, and has nothing to do with what you have installed. Have you configured a firewall? I know that the Bastille firewall setup process gives the option of denying direct logins to root as a security precaution. That way, a cracker must crack a user account before they can attempt to get root access. What security setting did you choose when you installed Mandrake? I think the medium setting (the default) does not lock out direct root access, but the higher settings do. I would strongly suggest that you keep things as they are. A root login is not recommended at all, and most experienced users _never_ log in as root. It is far more secure to log in as a user and then use the su command to switch users to root. On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:51:54 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You assume correctly. I would type in the root information, in the localhost login screen. Super user name, then super user password and receive Login Failed. I am going to strip all and reinstall. It may have a lot to do with dependencies. I think I only checked KDE, upon initial installation and even parts of that were unchecked. I could of unchecked what I needed. So it's best to reinstall, and If I find something I don't want later. . . Thank you so much for the help! Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I assume that by localhost you mean the login prompt. If so, you need to log in as root, not su. su is a console command which stands for switch user; it is not a user in itself. On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:36:15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You answered all my questions and It hinders on one factor only. Initial installation I left almost all checkboxes unchecked. I did not want items installed that I do not need. So I must assume when I cannot log in at localhost as the su, something is lacking. So it is best to add all then go back and remove. I assumed doing it the other way would work. A good learning experiment. Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:14:22 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope you have broad shoulders. I am getting no where and it may be your fault. You are helping me, because of the problems you are dealing with. Is it possible to have more than one desktop? Of course. GNU/Linux is all about choice :-) KDE bye, bye. The help section is beautiful. As I get to items such as type in the following command, it is unreadable. (special code?!!) I have no internet hook up on the linux yet. Checking out Gnome, I visited there site. Is the version you downloaded the one that has all the Java capabilities? Java has nothing to do with the desktop environment. You can get a Java Runtime Environment at java.sun.com. Is it possible to log in as su at localhost instead of user? Localhost is your computer name, not a user name. You _can_ log in directly as root (that's the superuser's name), but it is recommended that you do everything as a user and su (switch user) to root only when you need to (e.g. when installing RPMs). I am getting lazy. I too have the CD's. I noticed when checking out the rpm's installable, installed windows nothing that I have installed is showing. If the RPM is on your system doing an upgrade manually will ignore or override RPM? I guess we are to assume that the RPM and manual installs if done correctly will place files in the same locations on the file system? I did find a site that explained the drawbacks of using RPM. Do you know of a way to get the items off of the CD's without using RPM's? I'm not too sure what you mean here. If you want to look _inside_ RPM packages, you can do this with mc (Midnight Commander), a console file manager. Tools like Mandrake's Software Manager, GNOME's gnoRPM and KDE's KPackage all interface with the RPM system, and so can correctly install RPMs. Upgrading Mandrake as a whole (e.g. from the CDs) respects the existing RPM database, and upgrades rather than replaces it. Also, you can use the console RPM app to install packages. Kathy Peter Rymshaw wrote: The serious problems with gnome seemed to be fixed (I did find still another gnome RPM. Maybe that did it I still can't understand why it was necessary to do it manually, though. --- Peter Rymshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
On Tuesday 18 September 2001 17:16, Peter Rymshaw wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). I've found that some of these problems have gone away after I've installed more gnome files from the RPMs on CD-ROM, so that might be the heart of the problem (and also what I would consider a serious bug in the program). But I have installed everything that I can find named gnome and there are still problems. (And shouldn't the initial installation of Gnome from the install CD have worked even without what I've done?) What I've done now is gone to the Ximian signt and downloaded their gnome files (and also gnuCash which I had tried to install earlier without success). I figure I should install -core- first, then perhaps -applets-, -libs-, -utils- and the others I found. Ximian says that it is based on gnome 1.4, and instructions are that it is not necessary to first remove regular gnome installation--that it will automatically upgrade files. My hopes are that whatever files are giving me problems will be replaced and most if not all of my problems solved. But I also seem to remember having read somewhere that installation of Ximian must be on a sound gnome base. Do I need to find and fix my gnome problems before installing Ximian? That's the key question. Sorry to go on so long with this. Anyone know? Just occurred to me, I should ask Ximian, even though this is the free download I'm talking about. Well, you need to select a GNOME menu for GNOME and forget our integrated menu structure. But actually your freezes are most likely related to a bad default theme from nautilus. Use the security update feature of Software Manager to update mandrake_desk and the problems should vanish. No need to DL Ximian for that. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
The serious problems with gnome seemed to be fixed (I did find still another gnome RPM. Maybe that did it I still can't understand why it was necessary to do it manually, though. --- Peter Rymshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). I've found that some of these problems have gone away after I've installed more gnome files from the RPMs on CD-ROM, so that might be the heart of the problem (and also what I would consider a serious bug in the program). But I have installed everything that I can find named gnome and there are still problems. (And shouldn't the initial installation of Gnome from the install CD have worked even without what I've done?) What I've done now is gone to the Ximian signt and downloaded their gnome files (and also gnuCash which I had tried to install earlier without success). I figure I should install -core- first, then perhaps -applets-, -libs-, -utils- and the others I found. Ximian says that it is based on gnome 1.4, and instructions are that it is not necessary to first remove regular gnome installation--that it will automatically upgrade files. My hopes are that whatever files are giving me problems will be replaced and most if not all of my problems solved. But I also seem to remember having read somewhere that installation of Ximian must be on a sound gnome base. Do I need to find and fix my gnome problems before installing Ximian? That's the key question. Sorry to go on so long with this. Anyone know? Just occurred to me, I should ask Ximian, even though this is the free download I'm talking about. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
I retract my recent self-response to this message, saying all was OK with Gnome. I tried to shutdown and reboot (before beginning my Ximian install) and found that Gnome froze immediately upon loading. I restarted the computer and the same happened again. But the third time, I started as root Gnome (fortunately, I had turned autostart off) and that, as well as KDE, seems to be OK. So, all of my original message below is more or less still true. Thanks. --- Peter Rymshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). I've found that some of these problems have gone away after I've installed more gnome files from the RPMs on CD-ROM, so that might be the heart of the problem (and also what I would consider a serious bug in the program). But I have installed everything that I can find named gnome and there are still problems. (And shouldn't the initial installation of Gnome from the install CD have worked even without what I've done?) What I've done now is gone to the Ximian signt and downloaded their gnome files (and also gnuCash which I had tried to install earlier without success). I figure I should install -core- first, then perhaps -applets-, -libs-, -utils- and the others I found. Ximian says that it is based on gnome 1.4, and instructions are that it is not necessary to first remove regular gnome installation--that it will automatically upgrade files. My hopes are that whatever files are giving me problems will be replaced and most if not all of my problems solved. But I also seem to remember having read somewhere that installation of Ximian must be on a sound gnome base. Do I need to find and fix my gnome problems before installing Ximian? That's the key question. Sorry to go on so long with this. Anyone know? Just occurred to me, I should ask Ximian, even though this is the free download I'm talking about. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Will Ximian install fix Gnome?
On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:49:59 -0700 (PDT), Peter Rymshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I retract my recent self-response to this message, saying all was OK with Gnome. I tried to shutdown and reboot (before beginning my Ximian install) and found that Gnome froze immediately upon loading. I restarted the computer and the same happened again. But the third time, I started as root Gnome (fortunately, I had turned autostart off) and that, as well as KDE, seems to be OK. So, all of my original message below is more or less still true. Thanks. --- Peter Rymshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided that I like Gnome more than KDE and want to learn and begin using it. But I'm having problems beyond the normal (like getting CD floppy access from the desktop or panel. I won't have to manually monunt/unmount will I?) Supermount makes using removable media totally transparent. There is no need to mount or unmount media. Check your /etc/fstab to see if you have supermount configured for your removable drives. That's not the problem. When I try to select many of the Gnome features, the computer freezes--completely, I have to turn the power off and on (which I worry about each time). I've found that some of these problems have gone away after I've installed more gnome files from the RPMs on CD-ROM, so that might be the heart of the problem (and also what I would consider a serious bug in the program). But I have installed everything that I can find named gnome and there are still problems. (And shouldn't the initial installation of Gnome from the install CD have worked even without what I've done?) What I've done now is gone to the Ximian signt and downloaded their gnome files (and also gnuCash which I had tried to install earlier without success). I figure I should install -core- first, then perhaps -applets-, -libs-, -utils- and the others I found. Ximian says that it is based on gnome 1.4, and instructions are that it is not necessary to first remove regular gnome installation--that it will automatically upgrade files. My hopes are that whatever files are giving me problems will be replaced and most if not all of my problems solved. But I also seem to remember having read somewhere that installation of Ximian must be on a sound gnome base. Do I need to find and fix my gnome problems before installing Ximian? That's the key question. Sorry to go on so long with this. Anyone know? Just occurred to me, I should ask Ximian, even though this is the free download I'm talking about. Firstly, try renaming or moving your ~/.gnome directory. This will force GNOME to regenerate it the next time it loads. It wouldn't hurt to try Ximian GNOME. Download the installer and use that to install the packages (it's easier than installing manually). Also, remember that Mandrake 8.1 is just around the corner. If you instal Mandrake 8.1, do a fresh installation, not an upgrade. If those don't work, you may have a hardware problem. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
