Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
Greg, thanks for the response. As far as my reply-to setting goes, I'm using a Web-based e-Mail client for this list and cannot change the reply-to setting. Sorry. --- | Aaron West | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - DATE: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:11:42 From: Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: On Sunday 05 October 2003 08:54 pm, Aaron West wrote: So, are you saying that I can't install Windows on the slave drive and Linux on the master drive? Sorry for my confusion. It depends on the version of Windows you are using. The 9x series (including ME) want to be on the first primary partition of the first drive in the system. This is not exactly true for Win2k and XP, but there are some issues with non-dos filesystems on partitions lower than the Windows partitions. Sometimes they are not seen and sometimes they impact drive performance. I have experienced both. If you are going to use the whole 15GB drive for Windows, and you are using Win2k or XP, then you should be able to do it as you are proposing. Most people install windows first, then install Mandrake, which will detect your windows install and make it a choice on the boot menu. So in your case, you might want to do something like this. 15GB drive for Windows as primary master. 80GB drive foe Linux as primary slave. Optical CDRW drive as secondary master and dvd/cdrom reader as secondary slave. Also, please clear the reply-yo in your mail client. Replies to your messages are going to you directly instead of to the list. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 5, 2003 05:04 pm, Aaron West wrote: Evening all, Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. Just to save yourself aggravation Windows should always go first. I know it's been said more than once that it shouldn't matter so much with 2000 or XP, and I've set partitions with the Mandrake installer then installed Windows after, but stuff happens and you'll be better off following the conventional Windows first pattern. I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? Thanks!! You just read it again here. You seem to have at least a basic grasp of the situation in re. the dual boot idea. I'd probably be inclined to just slave the new drive in and install Mandrake. What I'm saying is the 120 GB hard drive will have to be introduced to Windows somehow if you plan to have any part of it accessible from Windows, and the easiest way to do that is to use the Mandrake installer to set the partition table and forget the Windows bootloader. Lilo or Grub are more flexible anyway. NTFS is the default file system for 2000 and XP and it's preferable to FAT32 in _so_ many ways. But...write support for that file system in GNU/Linux is experimental at best, and Linux file system support under Windows isn't much better so you'll probably want a FAT32 buffer partition that both operating systems can save files to. Then you won't have to worry about not having access to things when you are booted to either. Bottom line; do the fresh Windows install and when you have your new drive just slave it in and boot from the first Mandrake install disk, pick the custom partition option and have fun. The graphics for partitioning are very clear. It isn't hard and you'll learn to love the power of making all your own decisions. Welcome to Open Source, and to unlimited choices. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 17:08:15 up 15 days, 6:29, 1 user, load average: 0.31, 0.59, 0.61 It is much easier to suggest solutions when you know nothing about the problem. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/gKp1G11CaRuZZSIRArSpAJoDx+CjIYk4ACBkYuUvCQii0K2eXwCgr4Ok 6ZsVRiekPhEZOsSKObN441I= =dpzP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 11:04 pm, Aaron West wrote: Evening all, Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? Yes. Points to remember: 1. Do not change which drive is the master and which the slave if you can help it. Windows will get confused if it sees drive C change to drive D. You should be fine if you leave the 15GB as the master drive with a single partition on it and install the new drive as slave. If you partition the 15GB then the primary partition of the new slave drive may (IIRC) be positioned between the 15GB primary and secondary partitions if it is recognised by Windows. But if all the partitions on the slave drive are Linux filesystems then Windows should ignore them. 1a. You may find that the CD changes drive letters if any partitions on the slave drive are readable by Windows. This will mean that any time it needs the install disk you will have to tell it where to find the CD. 2. Windows will not install a dual-boot bootsector. Linux will. That is why you install Linux second. 3. Linux support for ntfs is not perfect. It is recommended to use it read-only. vfat (FAT32 etc.) is not a good choice for a 15GB partition. Summary: install Windows first. Put a smallish vfat partition on the 15GB drive to act as common space between the OSs but use ntfs for the rest. Format the slave drive using only Linux filesystems. Disclaimer: the last time I did this sort of thing it was dual-booting between NT4 and Win95. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
On Sunday 05 October 2003 07:04 pm, Aaron West wrote: Evening all, Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? Thanks!! | Aaron West Aaron: Sounds like an excellent plan to me, and one that is commonly used. When you get to partitioning the Mandrake disk, I'd suggest that you do not accept the default paritioning scheme, but create some extra partitions. I've found it very useful to have one partition (using a Linux-based format) for Linux backups, and a second partition formatted in FAT32. The latter partition can be used for storing data files that you may wish to access from either OS. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
So, are you saying that I can't install Windows on the slave drive and Linux on the master drive? Sorry for my confusion. --- | Aaron West | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.trajiklyhip.com - Original Message - DATE: 05 Oct 2003 19:32:06 -040 From: ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 19:04, Aaron West wrote: Evening all, Simple question here. I'm getting closer to the point of being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions. Since I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB hard drive. Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux, I've been trying to determine the order of OS install. I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before you install Linux. I'm going to completely wipe my current Windows install in order to start fresh. And then will be installing Linux on the new hard drive. Is it the right idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go? Thanks!! --- | Aaron West | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.trajiklyhip.com M$ wants to see an M$ product on the first sector of the first partition on the first disk on the first ide chain. win 9x ME require them to be on that partition. win2k can sit elsewhere as long as a M$ product is in that first spot. Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:53:55 + Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Do not change which drive is the master and which the slave if you can help it. Windows will get confused if it sees drive C change to drive D. There is a very simple way around this that works for Any version of windows. Keep the old hd as is, windows only, and move it to the slave position. Set the new hd as master. Install Mandrake on the new drive, using all or as such space as you wish. When the linux bootloader is installed an entry will automatically be made for windows. Anytime you boot windows it will not be able to 'see' your linux drive so will still believe that it is C. I have done the above with 98, 200 and XP with never a problem. It has the added benefit, as picky and fickle as it can at time be, the win bootsector/MBR is never touched. Charles -- Nobody ever died from oven crude poisoning. - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-10.tmb.4mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup
On Sunday 05 October 2003 08:54 pm, Aaron West wrote: So, are you saying that I can't install Windows on the slave drive and Linux on the master drive? Sorry for my confusion. It depends on the version of Windows you are using. The 9x series (including ME) want to be on the first primary partition of the first drive in the system. This is not exactly true for Win2k and XP, but there are some issues with non-dos filesystems on partitions lower than the Windows partitions. Sometimes they are not seen and sometimes they impact drive performance. I have experienced both. If you are going to use the whole 15GB drive for Windows, and you are using Win2k or XP, then you should be able to do it as you are proposing. Most people install windows first, then install Mandrake, which will detect your windows install and make it a choice on the boot menu. So in your case, you might want to do something like this. 15GB drive for Windows as primary master. 80GB drive foe Linux as primary slave. Optical CDRW drive as secondary master and dvd/cdrom reader as secondary slave. Also, please clear the reply-yo in your mail client. Replies to your messages are going to you directly instead of to the list. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Re: [newbie] dual boot setup]
No, I expect you're right. After all I am a living example as to why this would not be good for them! Ernie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] dual boot setup] "Ernie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must confess however, that I do like my IE5 and the OutLook Express e-mail reader in Windoze better than the Netscape Communicator provided with Linux. This is a personal preference, and in no way should be construed as any kind of an endorsement for the former. If they (the guys in Redmond) would produce a version of IE5 for Linux, I most likely would not use Win for anything, and remove it from my system. === I also liked IE5 and Outlook Express better. I've learned to adjust to k-mail (quite good actually) though I can't get it to read html. IE5 (IMHO) is superior to Netscape4.x..., but not enough to persuade me to boot into Windoze. I sincerely doubt you'll be seeing a M$ producted ported to Linux anytime soon. Mike ++ Michael Scottaline COL 2.2 Linux 2.2.5 * * * * * * * * * * * It's a fresh wind that Blows Against the Empire Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] dual boot setup
I will tell you how I did the deed, if this will help. My system was partitioned into four partitions for Windoze. I used Partition Magic to resize these to provide room on the disk for Linux. I then made room before the secondary partition for the main (root) Linux partition. I also created space in the secondary partition for a Linux partition to be used as the /home folder ( I wanted to be able to re-install without the need for re-downloading stuff I get off the Internet, I am bound to mess things up while learning Linux). Next, I re-started from the Linux boot disk, and created the two partitions I wanted using the Linux partition tool provided (not f-disk for Linux) setting the entry points as / on hda3 and /home on hda5 ( these were the partition designations for my system, yours may be different ) while following the screen prompts. and reading everything quite carefully. The installation went without problems, so if something like this does not work for you, I can not be of much help. It is likely that if there was not any free space on your HD for a Linux partition, this may have been the culprit that stopped everything cold. I did not want to mess around with Linux for DOS or anything like that, as I wanted my Linux installation to be as simple and straight forward as possible. I do a dual-boot with the LILO loader, and all works for me without problems. I must confess however, that I do like my IE5 and the OutLook Express e-mail reader in Windoze better than the Netscape Communicator provided with Linux. This is a personal preference, and in no way should be construed as any kind of an endorsement for the former. If they (the guys in Redmond) would produce a version of IE5 for Linux, I most likely would not use Win for anything, and remove it from my system. I hope that this is helpful, Ernie - Original Message - From: Tony Zocolillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:03 AM Subject: [newbie] dual boot setup Hello, I apologise for asking this as I know it was just discussed (but i wasn't paying attention), but I need help setting up a dual boot for Linux and Windows. Is there a place I can search the archives of this list? If so, I'll read that first. If not, here's what has been happening when I try I first created a DOS partion for my entire hard drive, install Windows 98, then attempted to install Mandrake through the lnx4win.exe program...it started the install, but crashed hard right before the partition step. (So, I though I may have to create a DOS partion that is smaller, leaving room for the Linux partition on the same hard drive). I then restarted, formated a DOS partiton of 3.5 Gb, leaving about 2.9 Gb for Linux. I formatted, installed Windows 98, then tried to reinstall Mandrake and I crashed again at the same point. I set the swap partition to 100 and user partition to 2000 (as to not exceed what was left). I also tried starting Mandrake from the boot disk and install on the Linux partition but it still keeps crashing. If someone can point me to list archives or point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. Thanks, Tony Zoccolillo
Re: [newbie] dual boot setup
Ernie, Thanks. I'm doing everyting the same as you did. I set LILO loader from linuxconfig program in KDE, but I'm not going into Linux when I choose Linux from the menu during boot. I think the problem may be that lnx4Win.exe (which was installed in Windows98) is in the autoexec.bat and still trying to install Mandrake (even though it's already installed...thus, your right, not partition space left and I crash). I'm going to try unistalling lnx4Win.exe in Win98 and clear the line from the autoexec.bat and see if that helps. I think my mistake was installing lnx4win.exe and not having enough partition space available for the parameter I set at the start of lnx4Win.exe...now, lnx4Win.exe is still trying to do that load, but can't because I already have the partitions full. Since lnx4Win.exe never finished it operation...the start is still in the bat file trying to finishI think? Thanks again, Tony Zoccolillo - Original Message - From: Ernie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] dual boot setup I did not want to mess around with Linux for DOS or anything like that, as I wanted my Linux installation to be as simple and straight forward as possible. I do a dual-boot with the LILO loader, and all works for me without problems.
Re: [newbie] dual boot setup
On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, you wrote: John, Thanks for the help. What does the fdisk/mbr (I working from memory here...rec'd that email home and now at work) do? Gives you a "clean" master boot record, which is where LILO resides. What I did was, using fdisk, clear all Linux partitions but left the DOS partition. I then rebooted to the Mandrake CDROM and went through the setup with no probelms. Everything installed and when I rebooted, I went into Linux. Every time I rebooted I go into Linux with no boot menu allowing me into Windows. I used the linuxcong program in KDE to set the boot config to give me the menu and then rebooted. HUH???What boot menu??? I just use LILO here. Here's my lilo.conf for a dual-boot system (RedHat/Win98 here at work.) begin lilo.conf= boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.5-15 label=linux root=/dev/hda5 read-only other=/dev/hda1 label=dos table=/dev/hda ===end lilo.conf=== I now get the menu, but when I pick Lunix the lnx4Win.exe program starts and tries to do another install...then fails and shuts down. In the autoexec.bat there is a command related to lnx4Win.exe that has parameters on it. I'm guessing this is the boot menu/install program. Can I edit this command line to not start install, but rather just load Linux? or... Does lnx4win.exe install Linux on the same filesystem or does it partition the hard drive? IIRC, you partitioned it. Go to your Linux CD to the /dosutils directory. Get the program "rawrite.exe" and copy it to your hard drive somewhere. Then, take a blank floppy (preferably new/fresh from the box) stick it into your floppy drive and go back to your Mandrake CD to the /images directory and type "rawrite resuce.img" and hit enter. Then, shut down windows and reboot from the install disk. When prompted, type "rescue" and wait. A minute or so later, it will prompt you to put in the next disk. This will be the disk you made. Then, when it's done booting, check out your /dev/hda5/etc/lilo.conf to make sure it looks something like the one I posted here. If it doesn't, you'll need to edit it to make it look like that. Then, run /dev/hda5/sbin/lilo and then reboot. After that, you can type "linux" or hit your tab button to bring up a list of boot images. The "label" is what you'll see listed. I use "linux" or "dos" YMMV. Good luck! John
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John, The boot program is lnx4Win.exe. This is where all (or at least this one) my problems stem. I'm beginning to see that I don't need this program at all. Just install Mandrake on the free partitons and use LILO to set up a boot menu (There should be a screen with a menu like... 1. Linux 2.Windows). What's screwing me up must be lnx4Win.exe (which is on the Mandrake 6.1 disk). I'm restarting and going into KDE, then use linuxconfig to set up LILO Thanks, Tony Z. - Original Message - From: John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] dual boot setup On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, you wrote: HUH???What boot menu??? I just use LILO here. Here's my lilo.conf for a dual-boot system (RedHat/Win98 here at work.) begin lilo.conf= boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.5-15 label=linux root=/dev/hda5 read-only other=/dev/hda1 label=dos table=/dev/hda ===end lilo.conf===
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"Ernie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must confess however, that I do like my IE5 and the OutLook Express e-mail reader in Windoze better than the Netscape Communicator provided with Linux. This is a personal preference, and in no way should be construed as any kind of an endorsement for the former. If they (the guys in Redmond) would produce a version of IE5 for Linux, I most likely would not use Win for anything, and remove it from my system. === I also liked IE5 and Outlook Express better. I've learned to adjust to k-mail (quite good actually) though I can't get it to read html. IE5 (IMHO) is superior to Netscape4.x..., but not enough to persuade me to boot into Windoze. I sincerely doubt you'll be seeing a M$ producted ported to Linux anytime soon. Mike ++ Michael Scottaline COL 2.2 Linux 2.2.5 * * * * * * * * * * * It's a fresh wind that Blows Against the Empire Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] dual boot setup
John, Thanks for the reply. This is what I did except I set the partion size for Linux using th lnx4win.exe utility in Windows 98. I started with a bare un-fdisked 6.4Gb drivemade a 3.75 Gb DOS primary partition...formatted /s/v...installed Windows 98.then set my Linux partition to 100Mb swap and 2Gb user (figuring I had about 2.5Gb left and playing it safe...)...then the system reboots...goes into Mandrake setup, booting from the CDROM...answer the initial questions prior to partitioning...and hard crash shutdown. So...your saying to not use the lnx4win.exe and boot to the Mandrake CDROM and create the partition from there... I'll give it a try tonight. I may have to start from scratch as any corruption of the partition from using lnx4win can't be fixed, as Mandrake crashes before I get to that step. thanks, Tony Z. - Original Message - From: John Aldrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] dual boot setup Ok...here's what worked best for me... wipe the drive (completely) and then partition out what you want for Windows. Install Windows. Next, boot to the floppy boot disk and select "install from CDROM." Assuming you don't have a wierd cdrom (say running off your third IDE channel on a sound card or something) it should work fine from here. Just make sure you have the area you want Linux on UN-FORMATTED, AND UN-PARTITIONED! Just leave it "empty." Linux can partition and format it for you. From there it should be a matter of just following the prompts! John
Re: [newbie] dual boot setup
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, you wrote: So...your saying to not use the lnx4win.exe and boot to the Mandrake CDROM and create the partition from there... I'll give it a try tonight. I may have to start from scratch as any corruption of the partition from using lnx4win can't be fixed, as Mandrake crashes before I get to that step. That's what I'd do. I'd use a plain, bootable DOS floppy with "fdisk" on it and type "fdisk /mbr" and then "fdisk" and wipe the drive clean and start over from scratch. First thing to install will be Windows, as otherwise, Windows will reset the MBR and you won't be able to get to Linux. Then, after Windows is installed, shut down Windows all the way (power down) and boot to the boot floppy that came with Linux. If it won't boot off that one, boot back to Windows and install the "rawrite" util off the CDROM onto your hard drive and use that to make a new boot disk from the CDROM (from your CDROM drive in the /images directory, type "rawrite boot.img" and have a blank floppy ready to go -- preferably a brand new floppy!) John
