Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:15:42 +, candlish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.: Abuse is always possible! Should this be the reason for a lack of progress. Would you prefer to watch 'black white' television, or limit any other technical advance? Sound is already here and slots on e-mail clients could be small to accommodate slender sound files until technology move forward. I believe I am going to the mailfilter-devel list to ask for a soundfilter. Or should I go to the audio store? ;-) BTW, please unset your `reply-to`. It upsets some people enormously. Cheers, =Dick Gevers= -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Encryption is an envelope - the contents are private. iD8DBQE/uU/GwC/zk+cxEdMRAhDzAKCS10aAtNUyyPjtmK5y/vjOFsQ6twCfRaQz JPVRqKJkXUYLKMGgJprenxE= =4B+k -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
This singing spam thing has me intrigued though -- anyone know any words that rhyme with v***ra other than Niagara? He could be on to something here... And I'm getting tired of mashed potato sandwiches 3X a day. The result of this message going to the list gave me a chuckle. You wouldn't believe the number of bounces this caused to go to the list. There are a lot of servers out there that bounce spam back. It does reinforce a little bit how silly it is to bounce this stuff: most of the ones who get the response aren't really trying to spam so much as talk about spam... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
Melissa, Thank you for your comments. Very sadly for Linux enthusiasts that we are, the dreaded MS does tend to lead the way. It is possible to send e-cards to recipients, not requiring them to search the web for their prized picture and sound. The sound files can easily be found in 'openoffice' and these are around 35 k. This is indeed a small download which with a dial-up connection may take 3 seconds! Technology will and must move forward. Best wishes, Malcolm Candlish. On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 02:05, Melissa Reese wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Malcolm, I'm sorry I can't help you with your question, but I will offer a comment or two anyway... On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 12:17:22 PM PST, you wrote: I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. Eek! I suppose you have your reasons for wanting such a thing, and perhaps all your intended recipients for such a message would be willing to accept the message(s) as you intend, but in general, this sort of thing is best left to web pages if anywhere, and can be rather annoying in email (just my general opinion). Many people, for all sorts of reasons, will *only* read email in plain text (or at least disable all but the most basic HTML elements), and therefore, unless they feel inclined to open up such an HTML message into their browser, will not even benefit from your efforts. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/tttWjVbXUvsE8ukRAlxPAKD1Jm2mXFl2rHzE03zJzeX8Ui9vOgCg2cha WNh5E6f0ac9DtHqYbywgOHE= =Gi1Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
Dear Carroll, Thank you for your comments. Please have no fear! The technology is already there and the potential for development phenomenal. Anti-virus scanners should recognise wav, ogg, or mp3 files. It only requires placing in the background of the e-mail, hopefully without the need for hmtl. I think that you are going to be very pleased with this development in spite of your current sentiments. Best wishes, Malcolm Candlish. On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 02:41, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 15 November 2003 03:17 pm, candlish wrote: Sir or Madam, I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. I tend to use Evolution and Mozilla in the main, but could use any e-mail client. What I wanted was for the sound to travel with the e-mail and to be activated on opening. This may be seen as a virus however? This surely be made possible! Thank you in anticipation. Malcolm Candlish. Malcolm: No, no, no! Sober up, man! Take a cold shower! Forget it! Feel better now? Good. Let's begin by remembering that the Number One transport mechanism for Windows viruses and worms is Outlook/Outlook Express because they are diabolically designed to execute attached files. What's the very first thing that Windows users are told to do to tighten security? That's right, change the default settings to defeat the automatic execution feature. It's also why mail filter programs strip all such attachments from incoming mail -- those things are potential bombs. Hell, most of us are paranoid about just getting HTML; your musical alerts would really light the place up. Possible under Linux? No. That's why you don't see postings here from folks who just opened an e-mail, and now they find that they have become a major distributor of spam and malware, their system is doing goofy things, and the mouse pointer has developed a mind of its own. It isn't be accident, my friend, it's by design. KMail (and others) can provide an audible notice that email has arrived, but it is controlled by the receiver, not the sender. Let's think a little further. I, for one, do not wish to hear whatever hit of the week accompanies your last missive, especially should you decide that the complete Slim Whitman collection would be exactly what it takes to get me to read your e-mail. Now, if I were still laboring away in a cubicle farm, and was subjected to the musical announcement of the arrival of Malcolm's latest e-mail from each of the surrounding cubes, be assured that I'd be at the forefront of the mob coming after you. (First offense: tar, feathers and a rail; subsequent offense: Nasty. Very nasty. Involves a rope and a tree. No jury will convict us.) Add to the above the overhead of your demonic thought -- bigger files, longer downloads, yada, yada... and you'll understand why the only acceptable medium for e-mail -- particularly on mail lists -- is plain text. The frou-frou is neither necessary nor acceptable. OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. Please do not include my name on any patent application that you may file. -- cmg __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
Dear Sir, Thank you for your comments. If the sound file were to be active as an exe file, on the opening it should trigger action. It must be possible to do, although I do realise could be anti-social if abused. Perhaps the Mozilla or Evolution people may have ideas. Best wishes, Malcolm Candlish. On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 21:52, et wrote: On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:41 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 15 November 2003 03:17 pm, candlish wrote: Sir or Madam, I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. I tend to use Evolution and Mozilla in the main, but could use any e-mail client. What I wanted was for the sound to travel with the e-mail and to be activated on opening. This may be seen as a virus however? This surely be made possible! Thank you in anticipation. Malcolm Candlish. Malcolm: No, no, no! Sober up, man! Take a cold shower! Forget it! Feel better now? Good. Let's begin by remembering that the Number One transport mechanism for Windows viruses and worms is Outlook/Outlook Express because they are diabolically designed to execute attached files. What's the very first thing that Windows users are told to do to tighten security? That's right, change the default settings to defeat the automatic execution feature. It's also why mail filter programs strip all such attachments from incoming mail -- those things are potential bombs. Hell, most of us are paranoid about just getting HTML; your musical alerts would really light the place up. Possible under Linux? No. That's why you don't see postings here from folks who just opened an e-mail, and now they find that they have become a major distributor of spam and malware, their system is doing goofy things, and the mouse pointer has developed a mind of its own. It isn't be accident, my friend, it's by design. KMail (and others) can provide an audible notice that email has arrived, but it is controlled by the receiver, not the sender. Let's think a little further. I, for one, do not wish to hear whatever hit of the week accompanies your last missive, especially should you decide that the complete Slim Whitman collection would be exactly what it takes to get me to read your e-mail. Now, if I were still laboring away in a cubicle farm, and was subjected to the musical announcement of the arrival of Malcolm's latest e-mail from each of the surrounding cubes, be assured that I'd be at the forefront of the mob coming after you. (First offense: tar, feathers and a rail; subsequent offense: Nasty. Very nasty. Involves a rope and a tree. No jury will convict us.) Add to the above the overhead of your demonic thought -- bigger files, longer downloads, yada, yada... and you'll understand why the only acceptable medium for e-mail -- particularly on mail lists -- is plain text. The frou-frou is neither necessary nor acceptable. OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. Please do not include my name on any patent application that you may file. -- cmg OTH, you can attach a file of what ever you wish in linux, just like in 'lookout excuse', but the folks at the other end would have to use lookout to have it open automagically __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
Dear Sir, Thank you for your comments. Abuse is always possible! Should this be the reason for a lack of progress. Would you prefer to watch 'black white' television, or limit any other technical advance? Sound is already here and slots on e-mail clients could be small to accommodate slender sound files until technology move forward. Best wishes, Malcolm Candlish. On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 03:47, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 15 November 2003 04:52 pm, et wrote: On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:41 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: whack OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. OTH, you can attach a file of what ever you wish in linux, just like in 'lookout excuse', but the folks at the other end would have to use lookout to have it open automagically et: Yes, but the OP's notion was that every recipient of one of his emails would be treated to a rendition of Slim Whitman, Brahms, the Hoosier Hot Shots, whatever -- when they opened a message. While it was not explicit that he planned to inflict this pain on us Linuxers, my intent was to discourage any further exploration of this topic on his part. This singing spam thing has me intrigued though -- anyone know any words that rhyme with viagra other than Niagara? He could be on to something here... And I'm getting tired of mashed potato sandwiches 3X a day. -- cmg __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
Dear Charlie, Thank you for your comments. E-mail sound may not have a need for html and the requirement for hugh downloads can be avoided. E-mail sounds tend to be around 35k or 3 seconds modem action. Not very much fun sending a Christmas card to a recipient, who has to look up a web page to find a manufactured e-mail to get a result. Linux must be able to do this and better than MS. Best wishes, Malcolm Candlish. On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 10:17, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Saturday 15 November 2003 7:41 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 15 November 2003 03:17 pm, candlish wrote: Sir or Madam, I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. I tend to use Evolution and Mozilla in the main, but could use any e-mail client. What I wanted was for the sound to travel with the e-mail and to be activated on opening. This may be seen as a virus however? This surely be made possible! Thank you in anticipation. Malcolm Candlish. Malcolm: No, no, no! Sober up, man! Take a cold shower! Forget it! Feel better now? Good. Let's begin by remembering that the Number One transport mechanism for Windows viruses and worms is Outlook/Outlook Express because they are diabolically designed to execute attached files. What's the very first thing that Windows users are told to do to tighten security? That's right, change the default settings to defeat the automatic execution feature. It's also why mail filter programs strip all such attachments from incoming mail -- those things are potential bombs. Hell, most of us are paranoid about just getting HTML; your musical alerts would really light the place up. Possible under Linux? No. That's why you don't see postings here from folks who just opened an e-mail, and now they find that they have become a major distributor of spam and malware, their system is doing goofy things, and the mouse pointer has developed a mind of its own. It isn't be accident, my friend, it's by design. KMail (and others) can provide an audible notice that email has arrived, but it is controlled by the receiver, not the sender. Let's think a little further. I, for one, do not wish to hear whatever hit of the week accompanies your last missive, especially should you decide that the complete Slim Whitman collection would be exactly what it takes to get me to read your e-mail. Now, if I were still laboring away in a cubicle farm, and was subjected to the musical announcement of the arrival of Malcolm's latest e-mail from each of the surrounding cubes, be assured that I'd be at the forefront of the mob coming after you. (First offense: tar, feathers and a rail; subsequent offense: Nasty. Very nasty. Involves a rope and a tree. No jury will convict us.) Add to the above the overhead of your demonic thought -- bigger files, longer downloads, yada, yada... and you'll understand why the only acceptable medium for e-mail -- particularly on mail lists -- is plain text. The frou-frou is neither necessary nor acceptable. OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. Please do not include my name on any patent application that you may file. -- cmg I'll agree completely to the above comments. I've been known to design digital birthday, anniversary, condolences cards for friends on occasion; but I've only once succumbed to the temptation to send one through email. That one called a musical accompaniment and fancy background, fonts, etc., that I knew were already resident on her hard drive because I put them there when I built the system. Just an awful lot of html code in other words. Since that time I'll instead send an html link message, such as Happy Birthday or whatever is appropriate, but stored temporarily on web space I control. Never any huge downloads without prior consent in other words. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 03:06:36 up 5 days, 15:12, 1 user, load average: 0.26, 0.22, 0.19 Nuclear war would really set back cable. - - Ted Turner -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/t07PG11CaRuZZSIRApd/AJ9ZQt0Ljb9SWhIB9bmtTBc+F27HAgCgr5kg 6wavkBjkg5g9+TzS8LJEXeo= =s/ug -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday 16 November 2003 12:15 pm, candlish wrote: Dear Charlie, Thank you for your comments. You may have missed my point (the one on my head (-;) though. E-mail sound may not have a need for html and the requirement for hugh downloads can be avoided. E-mail sounds tend to be around 35k or 3 seconds modem action. The only time I did anything resembling the proposal that started this diatribe was one birthday card that was e-mailed to the person in question the day I delivered and set up her system. I used files from her hard drive called by html because it was; a.) a much lighter message in terms of size, b.) I knew exactly what I could call for effect because I had placed the files on her system before I delivered it. Less than 15 minutes later all scripting in e-mail was turned off and the Outlook Express quick launch icon actually called Opera Mail. Belt'n'braces as some would say. The message was less than ten kilo bytes but the background, music and fonts were all displayed as intended. Size does matter, even though here in Canada there are few people that don't have access to broadband connections, it's not exactly effective to your intended purpose to have a person on dial up have a card that takes 2 to 10 minutes to load, now is it? I think my method now is a more reasonable response. By that I mean a small animated Happy Birthday gif for example, or just a link to a page that expresses the appropriate sentiment, as an e-card that I've stored on my own web space gives the flexibility that I want without having to reverse the effect of my years of screaming at people to never allow remote images, applications, or scripts to run in e-mail clients. I choose not to have to fight that battle again. Viruses, trojans, and worms, are an unfortunate reality; and having spent all of this time trying to convince people whose systems I'm responsible for not to open the door to malware, even by accident, means I'm damned if I'll condone anything more that what I've already stated. The way the last few worms have been written means that even my method is suspect, since they can be activated easily from a corrupted gif, jpeg, or a simple hyper link or through simple instant messenger connections. Or worse. None of the systems in question have anything like that level of vulnerability since I won't allow it, but who knows what the authors of malicious software are going to think up next. With Microsoft's unwitting(???) help of course. If you think I feel that this is a war, and that e-mail is one of the primary battle fields; DUH! Not very much fun sending a Christmas card to a recipient, who has to look up a web page to find a manufactured e-mail to get a result. Look up what Malcolm? The links I've sent to people are direct to a web page designed to convey my greetings/message. The whole page, and no external links. One click on an e-mail link versus increased vulnerability. I know which I prefer since I have to clean any resultant nasties out if and when Linux must be able to do this and better than MS. It does, by not allowing such ridiculous abuses by default. Best wishes, Malcolm Candlish. chop I wish you well with your idea, but I'd prefer to think safety before ear and eye candy. Just my humble opinion. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 13:14:04 up 6 min, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.26, 0.15 If puns were deli meat, this would be the wurst. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/t+JxG11CaRuZZSIRAkFQAJ47kcBLbpfNgt9B4GheNyKabC3mUwCfQp2O HvjuF3YRWPUuIK66+A1fv+0= =wtTY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:15 pm, candlish wrote: I think that you are going to be very pleased with this development in spite of your current sentiments. Malcolm: If you really want me to enjoy some music with my e-mail, send me a harmonica and I'll take it from there. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:15 pm, candlish wrote: Linux must be able to do this and better than MS. The fact that it doesn't do this is one of the things that makes Linux better than MS. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Malcolm, I'm sorry I can't help you with your question, but I will offer a comment or two anyway... On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 12:17:22 PM PST, you wrote: I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. Eek! I suppose you have your reasons for wanting such a thing, and perhaps all your intended recipients for such a message would be willing to accept the message(s) as you intend, but in general, this sort of thing is best left to web pages if anywhere, and can be rather annoying in email (just my general opinion). Many people, for all sorts of reasons, will *only* read email in plain text (or at least disable all but the most basic HTML elements), and therefore, unless they feel inclined to open up such an HTML message into their browser, will not even benefit from your efforts. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/tttWjVbXUvsE8ukRAlxPAKD1Jm2mXFl2rHzE03zJzeX8Ui9vOgCg2cha WNh5E6f0ac9DtHqYbywgOHE= =Gi1Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
On Saturday 15 November 2003 03:17 pm, candlish wrote: Sir or Madam, I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. I tend to use Evolution and Mozilla in the main, but could use any e-mail client. What I wanted was for the sound to travel with the e-mail and to be activated on opening. This may be seen as a virus however? This surely be made possible! Thank you in anticipation. Malcolm Candlish. Malcolm: No, no, no! Sober up, man! Take a cold shower! Forget it! Feel better now? Good. Let's begin by remembering that the Number One transport mechanism for Windows viruses and worms is Outlook/Outlook Express because they are diabolically designed to execute attached files. What's the very first thing that Windows users are told to do to tighten security? That's right, change the default settings to defeat the automatic execution feature. It's also why mail filter programs strip all such attachments from incoming mail -- those things are potential bombs. Hell, most of us are paranoid about just getting HTML; your musical alerts would really light the place up. Possible under Linux? No. That's why you don't see postings here from folks who just opened an e-mail, and now they find that they have become a major distributor of spam and malware, their system is doing goofy things, and the mouse pointer has developed a mind of its own. It isn't be accident, my friend, it's by design. KMail (and others) can provide an audible notice that email has arrived, but it is controlled by the receiver, not the sender. Let's think a little further. I, for one, do not wish to hear whatever hit of the week accompanies your last missive, especially should you decide that the complete Slim Whitman collection would be exactly what it takes to get me to read your e-mail. Now, if I were still laboring away in a cubicle farm, and was subjected to the musical announcement of the arrival of Malcolm's latest e-mail from each of the surrounding cubes, be assured that I'd be at the forefront of the mob coming after you. (First offense: tar, feathers and a rail; subsequent offense: Nasty. Very nasty. Involves a rope and a tree. No jury will convict us.) Add to the above the overhead of your demonic thought -- bigger files, longer downloads, yada, yada... and you'll understand why the only acceptable medium for e-mail -- particularly on mail lists -- is plain text. The frou-frou is neither necessary nor acceptable. OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. Please do not include my name on any patent application that you may file. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:41 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 15 November 2003 03:17 pm, candlish wrote: Sir or Madam, I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. I tend to use Evolution and Mozilla in the main, but could use any e-mail client. What I wanted was for the sound to travel with the e-mail and to be activated on opening. This may be seen as a virus however? This surely be made possible! Thank you in anticipation. Malcolm Candlish. Malcolm: No, no, no! Sober up, man! Take a cold shower! Forget it! Feel better now? Good. Let's begin by remembering that the Number One transport mechanism for Windows viruses and worms is Outlook/Outlook Express because they are diabolically designed to execute attached files. What's the very first thing that Windows users are told to do to tighten security? That's right, change the default settings to defeat the automatic execution feature. It's also why mail filter programs strip all such attachments from incoming mail -- those things are potential bombs. Hell, most of us are paranoid about just getting HTML; your musical alerts would really light the place up. Possible under Linux? No. That's why you don't see postings here from folks who just opened an e-mail, and now they find that they have become a major distributor of spam and malware, their system is doing goofy things, and the mouse pointer has developed a mind of its own. It isn't be accident, my friend, it's by design. KMail (and others) can provide an audible notice that email has arrived, but it is controlled by the receiver, not the sender. Let's think a little further. I, for one, do not wish to hear whatever hit of the week accompanies your last missive, especially should you decide that the complete Slim Whitman collection would be exactly what it takes to get me to read your e-mail. Now, if I were still laboring away in a cubicle farm, and was subjected to the musical announcement of the arrival of Malcolm's latest e-mail from each of the surrounding cubes, be assured that I'd be at the forefront of the mob coming after you. (First offense: tar, feathers and a rail; subsequent offense: Nasty. Very nasty. Involves a rope and a tree. No jury will convict us.) Add to the above the overhead of your demonic thought -- bigger files, longer downloads, yada, yada... and you'll understand why the only acceptable medium for e-mail -- particularly on mail lists -- is plain text. The frou-frou is neither necessary nor acceptable. OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. Please do not include my name on any patent application that you may file. -- cmg OTH, you can attach a file of what ever you wish in linux, just like in 'lookout excuse', but the folks at the other end would have to use lookout to have it open automagically Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
On Saturday 15 November 2003 04:52 pm, et wrote: On Sunday 16 November 2003 02:41 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: whack OTOH, you may have come up with a new concept here -- singing spam. OTH, you can attach a file of what ever you wish in linux, just like in 'lookout excuse', but the folks at the other end would have to use lookout to have it open automagically et: Yes, but the OP's notion was that every recipient of one of his emails would be treated to a rendition of Slim Whitman, Brahms, the Hoosier Hot Shots, whatever -- when they opened a message. While it was not explicit that he planned to inflict this pain on us Linuxers, my intent was to discourage any further exploration of this topic on his part. This singing spam thing has me intrigued though -- anyone know any words that rhyme with viagra other than Niagara? He could be on to something here... And I'm getting tired of mashed potato sandwiches 3X a day. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
