Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 13:30, Miark wrote: It's not quite like that. In the event that Microsoft offers a replacement or modified version of or any upgrade to the SOFTWARE, (a) your continued use of the SOFTWARE is conditioned on your acceptance of such replacement or modified version of or upgrade to the SOFTWARE and any accompanying superseding EULA... in other words you have to explicitly accept a change to Messenger or its EULA. As much as they'd love to, they can't just change it and mail you an invoice. Miark Fsck them anyways. They're getting way too pervasive, intrusive and overbearing. I hope that a million script kiddies get on the band wagon and ride M$'s hole-ee OS's down to the ground. Really. And I'll be laughing my way to the bank on it. Piss on Gates. He could care less about anything or anyone, and for someone that's only a few years older than most of us, he certainly ain't going to dictate WHAT kind of computer experience *I* want or enjoy, or WHAT type of content *I* want or enjoy - frag'em. ...sorry, didn't mean to sound sore... stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 11:32 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Here's a tidbit to think about for anyone that really really wants to use the MSN Messenger on Windows; the past EULA's and the new EULA literally state that Microsoft has the right to view the contents of that particular machine without permission of the user/owner. Now what do they think? You're preaching to the converted, Stephen, but generally teenages are more interested in what their mates do than in security. It's a crazy world. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:48:45 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Fsck them anyways. and don't forget the horse they rode in on... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If a man has a strong faith he can indulge in the luxury of skepticism. -- Friedrich Nietzsche Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 04:51, Angus Auld wrote: Hi folks, I'm using gaim v0.66 w/msn plugin. It seems to be working OK, except for the past couple days I've been getting this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (13:43:47) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are running a version of messenger that requires an immediate security update. Please visit http://messenger.msn.com/Help/Upgrades.aspx to complete the update. Obviously I can't get the update from MS. :-| The message comes up each time I login. Maybe I won't be logging in for much longer? Anyone else get this message? Yep, get that using kopete and also with the MSN Messenger plugin for MozillaFirebird. I get the feeing that M$ will be blocking access to OSS clients in the near future. Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:15:03AM +1200, Sharrea Day wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 04:51, Angus Auld wrote: Hi folks, I'm using gaim v0.66 w/msn plugin. It seems to be working OK, except for the past couple days I've been getting this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (13:43:47) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are running a version of messenger that requires an immediate security update. Please visit http://messenger.msn.com/Help/Upgrades.aspx to complete the update. Obviously I can't get the update from MS. :-| The message comes up each time I login. Maybe I won't be logging in for much longer? Anyone else get this message? Yep, get that using kopete and also with the MSN Messenger plugin for MozillaFirebird. I get the feeing that M$ will be blocking access to OSS clients in the near future. I'm using psi jabber client with a server that has a gateway to msn and I haven't had this message pop up yet. t Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 22:10, HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:48:45 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Fsck them anyways. and don't forget the horse they rode in on... Cruelty is for humans, not animals. stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - Give me a fish and I will eat today. Teach me to fish and I will eat forever. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
For those using MSN Messenger, I suggest finding another service while you still can. According to the new EULA that you have to agree to to use MSN Messenger, MS reserves the right to charge for all future upgrades and you agree to accept all future upgrades, whether you want them or not, even if they charge you for them. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11124 -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 1:46 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: For those using MSN Messenger, I suggest finding another service while you still can. According to the new EULA that you have to agree to to use MSN Messenger, MS reserves the right to charge for all future upgrades and you agree to accept all future upgrades, whether you want them or not, even if they charge you for them. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11124 Did it really say that? I thought it was on the lines of 'pay up or stop using msn'. Well, kopete does fine for us. I wonder if there's any similar option for windows users? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:03:59PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 1:46 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: For those using MSN Messenger, I suggest finding another service while you still can. According to the new EULA that you have to agree to to use MSN Messenger, MS reserves the right to charge for all future upgrades and you agree to accept all future upgrades, whether you want them or not, even if they charge you for them. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11124 Did it really say that? I thought it was on the lines of 'pay up or stop using msn'. Well, kopete does fine for us. I wonder if there's any similar option for windows users? Are you able to connect to MSN with kopete? I use various jabber clients and for the last week or so, since this MSN stuff came out, I haven't been able to connect to MSN (or Yahoo! for that matter) via the jabber gateways. I'm assuming the MSN snafu is a result of their commitment to standards and interoperability, but I'm stumped on Yahoo! Unless there's something up with my jabber server's gateways. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 2:24 pm, Todd Slater wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:03:59PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 1:46 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: For those using MSN Messenger, I suggest finding another service while you still can. According to the new EULA that you have to agree to to use MSN Messenger, MS reserves the right to charge for all future upgrades and you agree to accept all future upgrades, whether you want them or not, even if they charge you for them. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11124 Did it really say that? I thought it was on the lines of 'pay up or stop using msn'. Well, kopete does fine for us. I wonder if there's any similar option for windows users? Are you able to connect to MSN with kopete? I use various jabber clients and for the last week or so, since this MSN stuff came out, I haven't been able to connect to MSN (or Yahoo! for that matter) via the jabber gateways. I'm assuming the MSN snafu is a result of their commitment to standards and interoperability, but I'm stumped on Yahoo! Unless there's something up with my jabber server's gateways. I'll see if my grandson is on-line this evening and try it. It worked before, but I haven't tried for at least a week. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
- Original Message - From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:20:44 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff Todd - I just ran a short test with my grandson. Everything's working fine. I'm on kopete and he's on m$ msn Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 *** Hi folks, I'm using gaim v0.66 w/msn plugin. It seems to be working OK, except for the past couple days I've been getting this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (13:43:47) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are running a version of messenger that requires an immediate security update. Please visit http://messenger.msn.com/Help/Upgrades.aspx to complete the update. Obviously I can't get the update from MS. :-| The message comes up each time I login. Maybe I won't be logging in for much longer? Anyone else get this message? Best regards to all. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber *** ~Linux Powered by Mandrake 9.1~ *** ~Reg. Linux User #278931~ *** -- http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
*** Hi folks, I'm using gaim v0.66 w/msn plugin. It seems to be working OK, e= xcept for the past couple days I've been getting this message from messen= [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (13:43:47) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are running a version of messeng= er that requires an immediate security update. Please visit http://messen= ger.msn.com/Help/Upgrades.aspx to complete the update. Obviously I can't get the update from MS. :-| The message comes up each time I login. Maybe I won't be logging in for m= uch longer? Anyone else get this message? Best regards to all. --Angus i'm also getting that message. gaim's site also states their support of msn is at least partially contingent on whether msn begins requiring fees for non-ms clients, so it's entirely possible msn may lose far more than it gains by these actions if they continue thier stroll down Anal Ave. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 10:08 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Microsoft is once again trying to block the MSN protocol from usage by GPL/OSS programs - in reality, it's not a very good protocol in the first place, so hopefully, the public will start shying away from using MSN and stick to the ICQ/AIM protocols and JABBER amongst other things; the M$ EULA is reflecting their rabid nature; they can legally do what they want and when they want as long as someone clicks I Agree. I'm trying, Stephen. I've given them the spiel about it starting to cost, and whenever M$ decide they want more cash Granddaughter has agreed to mention it to her mates, but I'm not so sure it will get anywhere. I might have to lean a little harder. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:24:56 -0400 Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you able to connect to MSN with kopete? I use various jabber clients and for the last week or so, since this MSN stuff came out, I haven't been able to connect to MSN (or Yahoo! for that matter) via the jabber gateways. I'm assuming the MSN snafu is a result of their commitment to standards and interoperability, but I'm stumped on Yahoo! Unless there's something up with my jabber server's gateways. I haven't had any troubles connecting to them with my server (URL below). The only annoying thing is that bloody message from MSN each time ;-) Greetings Ralph -- http://axljab.homelinux.org:8080/ ...the software said Win95 or better, so I installed Linux pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 08:01, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 10:08 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Microsoft is once again trying to block the MSN protocol from usage by GPL/OSS programs - in reality, it's not a very good protocol in the first place, so hopefully, the public will start shying away from using MSN and stick to the ICQ/AIM protocols and JABBER amongst other things; the M$ EULA is reflecting their rabid nature; they can legally do what they want and when they want as long as someone clicks I Agree. I'm trying, Stephen. I've given them the spiel about it starting to cost, and whenever M$ decide they want more cash Granddaughter has agreed to mention it to her mates, but I'm not so sure it will get anywhere. I might have to lean a little harder. Anne Here's a tidbit to think about for anyone that really really wants to use the MSN Messenger on Windows; the past EULA's and the new EULA literally state that Microsoft has the right to view the contents of that particular machine without permission of the user/owner. Now what do they think? stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - A housewife, an accountant and a lawyer were asked to add 2 and 2. The housewife replied, Four!. The accountant said, It's either 3 or 4. Let me run those figures through my spread sheet one more time. The lawyer pulled the drapes, dimmed the lights and asked in a hushed voice, How much do you want it to be? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:24:56AM -0400, Todd Slater wrote: Are you able to connect to MSN with kopete? I use various jabber clients and for the last week or so, since this MSN stuff came out, I haven't been able to connect to MSN (or Yahoo! for that matter) via the jabber gateways. I'm assuming the MSN snafu is a result of their commitment to standards and interoperability, but I'm stumped on Yahoo! Unless there's something up with my jabber server's gateways. The problem was the idiot sitting at the keyboard. Somehow my password got changed and that's why I couldn't get in. Chalk one up for M$'s Secure Computing Initiative! Todd -- Zinn-Chomsky 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 18:32, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 08:01, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 10:08 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Microsoft is once again trying to block the MSN protocol from usage by GPL/OSS programs - in reality, it's not a very good protocol in the first place, so hopefully, the public will start shying away from using MSN and stick to the ICQ/AIM protocols and JABBER amongst other things; the M$ EULA is reflecting their rabid nature; they can legally do what they want and when they want as long as someone clicks I Agree. I'm trying, Stephen. I've given them the spiel about it starting to cost, and whenever M$ decide they want more cash Granddaughter has agreed to mention it to her mates, but I'm not so sure it will get anywhere. I might have to lean a little harder. Anne Here's a tidbit to think about for anyone that really really wants to use the MSN Messenger on Windows; the past EULA's and the new EULA literally state that Microsoft has the right to view the contents of that particular machine without permission of the user/owner. Now what do they think? stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - A housewife, an accountant and a lawyer were asked to add 2 and 2. The housewife replied, Four!. The accountant said, It's either 3 or 4. Let me run those figures through my spread sheet one more time. The lawyer pulled the drapes, dimmed the lights and asked in a hushed voice, How much do you want it to be? as I read it (and IANL) they have the right to charge you forever and ever whatever they want. period. you took this software, and agreed to pay us for an upgrade and I ain't even sure you ever have the right not to, from then on, even if you don't use it ever again. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 09:22, ed tharp wrote: as I read it (and IANL) they have the right to charge you forever and ever whatever they want. period. you took this software, and agreed to pay us for an upgrade and I ain't even sure you ever have the right not to, from then on, even if you don't use it ever again. I'd like to see the f-wits locate my proper mailing address so they can bill me. Then again, if I were to ever see a bill from M$ I'd either kick'em in the nuts, or put it in the circular file. stephen kuhn == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * - Q: How do you fix all Windows bugs at once? A: Type DELTREE C:\WINDOWS Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MSN Messenger sutff
On 02 Sep 2003 19:22:05 -0400, ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as I read it (and IANL) they have the right to charge you forever and ever whatever they want. period. you took this software, and agreed to pay us for an upgrade and I ain't even sure you ever have the right not to, from then on, even if you don't use it ever again. It's not quite like that. In the event that Microsoft offers a replacement or modified version of or any upgrade to the SOFTWARE, (a) your continued use of the SOFTWARE is conditioned on your acceptance of such replacement or modified version of or upgrade to the SOFTWARE and any accompanying superseding EULA... in other words you have to explicitly accept a change to Messenger or its EULA. As much as they'd love to, they can't just change it and mail you an invoice. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
