Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 12:21 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: Hi Tom. Three ideas; you ran out'a disk space or ram/swap or failed to limit upload rate. Another consideration is you need to be very careful on movie torrent sites. Most are uploaded (the torrent file) by really clueless Winblow$ users. Some are redirects to WaReZ sites. Some are malicious, not a worry for Linux, as they are targeted to fsck'up Win$ux boxes. I've got 800 megs of swap, and 25 gigs of HD space free on /home. I also had the upload rate limited to 6. Using these cautions, I haven't encountered too many bad torrents.. yet. But if seeds disappear, a bad torrent could still tryin keep messin with you. IMO, torrents are the least desirable way to get movies. Without the 'bad' problems, some are only an archive of corrupt .rars, with no par files for repair. Avoid 'cam' movies too. Many Windoze user torrents are erroneously encoded (aspect ratio), and you'll need to use mencoder to fix 'em. I agree here - 99% of cam movies suck royally. :-) So next time you try a torrent, monitor memory use (top), and monitor the d/l directory's partition for disk space (df) from early on. 'kdirstat' is also useful for this. Also check your ~/.xsession-errors file to make sure it's not inflating rapidly. I'll keep all these suggestions in mind, thanks much. Don't know though - after all this trouble I think I'll just buy the darned DVD. grin If you want further opinion, you'll need to send me the torrent file. Thats just it - I don't have it - I believe it was the odd file that reiserfsck kept deleting, when --rebuild-tree ran. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 06:33, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 11 January 2005 02:31 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Sounds like something with bittorrent. What did the error message say ? What torrent were you downloading/uploading ? Did you set your firewall to open for torrents ? Kaj Haulrich. It does, doesn't it? The error message was something about time out, bad info on file or somesuch. It was Lokitorrent, and it was a movie. :-) Yes, I had done a service shorewall stop (I know, I should set it to open the individual ports). So the 6xxx ports should have been open. Besides, I've d'/led other bittorrent files this way, no problem. I still don't see what it did to my /home directory that the reiserfs couldn't handle. :-( Just a guess : the message bad info on file + shorewall stopped could mean you have been compromised somehow. On other file-sharing networks like kazaa it's common to find malware, uploaded by the RIAA-type companies in order to scare people off. On the other hand, it's unlikely they could come up with something able to run on Linux. Another guess : were you running out of space on the /home partition ? - Some movies consume more than 2-3 GB ? - Do you have partmon running ? When I use bittorrent I always open ports 6xxx only. Never had a problem and I often leave it running for a considerable time after finishing the download. I don't know what happens if - let's say - you've only one peer and that one suddenly shuts down ? Did you get the problem fixed somehow ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 03:27 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 12 January 2005 06:33, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 11 January 2005 02:31 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Sounds like something with bittorrent. What did the error message say ? What torrent were you downloading/uploading ? Did you set your firewall to open for torrents ? Kaj Haulrich. It does, doesn't it? The error message was something about time out, bad info on file or somesuch. It was Lokitorrent, and it was a movie. :-) Yes, I had done a service shorewall stop (I know, I should set it to open the individual ports). So the 6xxx ports should have been open. Besides, I've d'/led other bittorrent files this way, no problem. I still don't see what it did to my /home directory that the reiserfs couldn't handle. :-( Just a guess : the message bad info on file + shorewall stopped could mean you have been compromised somehow. On other file-sharing networks like kazaa it's common to find malware, uploaded by the RIAA-type companies in order to scare people off. On the other hand, it's unlikely they could come up with something able to run on Linux. Another guess : were you running out of space on the /home partition ? - Some movies consume more than 2-3 GB ? - Do you have partmon running ? /home or /tmp or where ever bt is storing the download until it writes to the completed file? When I use bittorrent I always open ports 6xxx only. Never had a problem and I often leave it running for a considerable time after finishing the download. I don't know what happens if - let's say - you've only one peer and that one suddenly shuts down ? Did you get the problem fixed somehow ? Kaj Haulrich. -- linux counter #167806 (http://counter.li.org/) website=http://ed-tharp.kicks-ass.org; Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 03:27 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Just a guess : the message bad info on file + shorewall stopped could mean you have been compromised somehow. On other file-sharing networks like kazaa it's common to find malware, uploaded by the RIAA-type companies in order to scare people off. On the other hand, it's unlikely they could come up with something able to run on Linux. I doubt that too... :-) Another guess : were you running out of space on the /home partition ? - Some movies consume more than 2-3 GB ? - Do you have partmon running. No - it was a roughly 800 meg file. I've got a 120 gigger, lots of space on home, and partmon -is- running. When I use bittorrent I always open ports 6xxx only. Never had a problem and I often leave it running for a considerable time after finishing the download. I don't know what happens if - let's say - you've only one peer and that one suddenly shuts down ? I'm not sure what happens then either. Did you get the problem fixed somehow ? Kaj Haulrich. I won't know I guess - until/if it happens again. (heavers forbid!). As far as recovery, yes, I was able to use CD1 to fake an update, deselect all packages, reformat /dev/hda8 (home) and reinstall from backup CD/DVD. I guess it could have been worse. Any crash you walk away fromright? :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 05:43 am, et wrote: /home or /tmp or where ever bt is storing the download until it writes to the completed file? As far as I know - it usually (but not always) creates (it asks) a folder on /home that it d/ls the file to. I've probably got 20 gigs free on /home, so really, I don't think thats it. :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 17:26, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 12 January 2005 03:27 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Just a guess : the message bad info on file + shorewall stopped could mean you have been compromised somehow. On other file-sharing networks like kazaa it's common to find malware, uploaded by the RIAA-type companies in order to scare people off. On the other hand, it's unlikely they could come up with something able to run on Linux. I doubt that too... :-) Another guess : were you running out of space on the /home partition ? - Some movies consume more than 2-3 GB ? - Do you have partmon running. No - it was a roughly 800 meg file. I've got a 120 gigger, lots of space on home, and partmon -is- running. When I use bittorrent I always open ports 6xxx only. Never had a problem and I often leave it running for a considerable time after finishing the download. I don't know what happens if - let's say - you've only one peer and that one suddenly shuts down ? I'm not sure what happens then either. Did you get the problem fixed somehow ? Kaj Haulrich. I won't know I guess - until/if it happens again. (heavers forbid!). As far as recovery, yes, I was able to use CD1 to fake an update, deselect all packages, reformat /dev/hda8 (home) and reinstall from backup CD/DVD. I guess it could have been worse. Any crash you walk away fromright? :-) Agreed. On the other hand, under those circumstances it should be doable to fix a corrupt partition by using reiserfsck. Dark Lady in the machine, perhaps ? - Anyway, I'm glad you got it fixed. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 11:34 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Any crash you walk away fromright? :-) Agreed. On the other hand, under those circumstances it should be doable to fix a corrupt partition by using reiserfsck. Dark Lady in the machine, perhaps ? - Anyway, I'm glad you got it fixed. Kaj Haulrich. And thats the 2 million dollare question! Why wouldn't reiserfsck fix it? What was the file that it (apparently) deleted everytime I ran it, and why would it lockup hard after 80% completion on --rebuild-tree everytime? When I first did the rescue attempt with CD1, it couldn't/wouldn't even mount /dev/hda8 after that little episode. (I guess because --rebuild-tree hadn't completed). -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 11:33 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 11 January 2005 02:31 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Sounds like something with bittorrent. What did the error message say ? What torrent were you downloading/uploading ? Did you set your firewall to open for torrents ? Kaj Haulrich. It does, doesn't it? The error message was something about time out, bad info on file or somesuch. It was Lokitorrent, and it was a movie. :-) Yes, I had done a service shorewall stop (I know, I should set it to open the individual ports). So the 6xxx ports should have been open. Besides, I've d'/led other bittorrent files this way, no problem. I still don't see what it did to my /home directory that the reiserfs couldn't handle. :-( Three ideas; you ran out'a disk space or ram/swap or failed to limit upload rate. Another consideration is you need to be very careful on movie torrent sites. Most are uploaded (the torrent file) by really clueless Winblow$ users. Some are redirects to WaReZ sites. Some are malicious, not a worry for Linux, as they are targeted to fsck'up Win$ux boxes. Using these cautions, I haven't encountered too many bad torrents.. yet. But if seeds disappear, a bad torrent could still tryin keep messin with you. IMO, torrents are the least desirable way to get movies. Without the 'bad' problems, some are only an archive of corrupt .rars, with no par files for repair. Avoid 'cam' movies too. Many Windoze user torrents are erroneously encoded (aspect ratio), and you'll need to use mencoder to fix 'em. So next time you try a torrent, monitor memory use (top), and monitor the d/l directory's partition for disk space (df) from early on. 'kdirstat' is also useful for this. Also check your ~/.xsession-errors file to make sure it's not inflating rapidly. If you want further opinion, you'll need to send me the torrent file. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 19:44, Ronald J. Hall wrote: As in, I've just had one in the last little bit. :-( I was attempting a d/l via bittorrent. It timed out, and gave an error message. I had to kill it via controlaltesc. Nothing seemed to come of this for a few moments - then I started losing my system. I couldn't right-click on the desktop and get a popup menu, then icons wouldn't respond. Finally, the taskbar kinda faded out. I went for the KDE task manager to see if something was grabbing all my resources and kill it, but it wouldn't open up. Finally, I killed the x server with a control backspace. I was dropped to a prompt, instead of the graphical login I usually get. (this all happened pretty fast folks). I decided not to take any chances and reboot. I su'ed and 'shutdown -r now but it wouldn't go past the shutdown message. I let it set for about 10 minutes before trying to go to another console, but by this point - everything was locked up hard. So...I gritted my teeth and powered off. (I should mention that I tried the raising skinny elephants bit first). Starting backup, it goes fine until reiserfs starts complaining about not having shutdown correctly (expected), but where normally this is recovered and the boot process continues - it drops to a prompt, where you can login as root. So I did. Started doing the usual reiserfsck stuff, --check, --rebuild-tree and all that. Everything is fine until we get to /dev/hda8 (home). It gets to about 80% complete - then says there is a file that has to be deleted - it reports it does, but then locks up there every time. I tried about 3 times like this, reboots always gives the error that --rebuild-tree did not finish (duh). Anyways, so in a complete reversal of what usually happens, where you keep home and have to redo everything else, I had to do the upgrade, select no packages - and format hda8 (home). Odd. Fortunately, I do have recent backups so I didn't lose anything vital but I wold appreciate comments on what anyone thinks may have happened and why reiserfsck, which has been ultra-reliable here, couldn't handle whatever happened to my home directory. Thanks guys! :-) Sounds like something with bittorrent. What did the error message say ? What torrent were you downloading/uploading ? Did you set your firewall to open for torrents ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 05:44, Ronald J. Hall wrote: As in, I've just had one in the last little bit. :-( I was attempting a d/l via bittorrent. It timed out, and gave an error message. I had to kill it via controlaltesc. Nothing seemed to come of this for a few moments - then I started losing my system. I couldn't right-click on the desktop and get a popup menu, then icons wouldn't respond. Finally, the taskbar kinda faded out. I went for the KDE task manager to see if something was grabbing all my resources and kill it, but it wouldn't open up. Finally, I killed the x server with a control backspace. I was dropped to a prompt, instead of the graphical login I usually get. (this all happened pretty fast folks). I decided not to take any chances and reboot. I su'ed and 'shutdown -r now but it wouldn't go past the shutdown message. I let it set for about 10 minutes before trying to go to another console, but by this point - everything was locked up hard. So...I gritted my teeth and powered off. (I should mention that I tried the raising skinny elephants bit first). Starting backup, it goes fine until reiserfs starts complaining about not having shutdown correctly (expected), but where normally this is recovered and the boot process continues - it drops to a prompt, where you can login as root. So I did. Started doing the usual reiserfsck stuff, --check, --rebuild-tree and all that. Everything is fine until we get to /dev/hda8 (home). It gets to about 80% complete - then says there is a file that has to be deleted - it reports it does, but then locks up there every time. I tried about 3 times like this, reboots always gives the error that --rebuild-tree did not finish (duh). Anyways, so in a complete reversal of what usually happens, where you keep home and have to redo everything else, I had to do the upgrade, select no packages - and format hda8 (home). Odd. Fortunately, I do have recent backups so I didn't lose anything vital but I wold appreciate comments on what anyone thinks may have happened and why reiserfsck, which has been ultra-reliable here, couldn't handle whatever happened to my home directory. Thanks guys! :-) What I would have done is to boot with the installation CD and do a linux rescue - then run the reiserfsck all ReiserFS partitions. I experienced something similar a few months back on a workstation here - bootup reiserfsck choked and puked, whereas when I did it from the linux rescue the errors got fixed and all was well and good after that. IME, that is. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Dear Emily: How can I choose what groups to post in? -- Confused Dear Confused: Pick as many as you can, so that you get the widest audience. After all, the net exists to give you an audience. Ignore those who suggest you should only use groups where you think the article is highly appropriate. Pick all groups where anybody might even be slightly interested. Always make sure followups go to all the groups. In the rare event that you post a followup which contains something original, make sure you expand the list of groups. Never include a Followup-to: line in the header, since some people might miss part of the valuable discussion in the fringe groups. -- Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions on Netiquette Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 02:31 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Sounds like something with bittorrent. What did the error message say ? What torrent were you downloading/uploading ? Did you set your firewall to open for torrents ? Kaj Haulrich. It does, doesn't it? The error message was something about time out, bad info on file or somesuch. It was Lokitorrent, and it was a movie. :-) Yes, I had done a service shorewall stop (I know, I should set it to open the individual ports). So the 6xxx ports should have been open. Besides, I've d'/led other bittorrent files this way, no problem. I still don't see what it did to my /home directory that the reiserfs couldn't handle. :-( -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd experience
On Tuesday 11 January 2005 02:30 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: What I would have done is to boot with the installation CD and do a linux rescue - then run the reiserfsck all ReiserFS partitions. I experienced something similar a few months back on a workstation here - bootup reiserfsck choked and puked, whereas when I did it from the linux rescue the errors got fixed and all was well and good after that. IME, that is. Er, I did - forgot to mention that - it gave that same error after about 80% completion on --rebuild-tree. Same thing about deleting a file right before the lockup. One time it segfaulted though. I don't know. Gremlins, I guess! :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
