Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
On Wednesday 07 July 2004 09:07, Lanman wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: --- Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If anyone else wants to submit a complaint, here's the link. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ Just select your language of choice and click on the Complaints and Inquiries link on the left menu. This will take you to a step-by-step complaint form. I am SO glad I don't use their service! I'll be sending a formal email out to all my known Sympatico clients later today. Finally - a good type of SPAM! Yeesh! Lanman Good luck you know how goverenments are. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
On July 17, 2004 12:57 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Wednesday 07 July 2004 09:07, Lanman wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: --- Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If anyone else wants to submit a complaint, here's the link. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ Just select your language of choice and click on the Complaints and Inquiries link on the left menu. This will take you to a step-by-step complaint form. I am SO glad I don't use their service! I'll be sending a formal email out to all my known Sympatico clients later today. Finally - a good type of SPAM! Yeesh! Lanman Good luck you know how goverenments are. Actually, in this case, the CRTC may actually do something. They've been coming down hard on people lately and they may just continue. Also, there's an election coming up in the next 12-18 months (current betting line). So the political appointees on this regulatory group may just listen to enough outrage particularly if it's directed at concern for privacy and such. I'd also suggest that people concerned complain to the federal privacy commissioner too. And, if Sypmpatico is stupid enough to let M$loth run an english only service then the languages commissioner is a good bet too. :-) Oh, I'm so glad Sympatico doesn't exist in the west anymore. :-) ttfn John -- *** Composed on a 100% Microsoft Free Computer Guaranteed Virus Free Mandrake Linux 10.0 OE *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
On Wednesday 07 July 2004 09:06 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: if someone uses a Micro$haft product knowingly That (to me) seems like such an oxymoron, no one but a moron (or someone giving a demostration of how morons act) would 'knowingly' use a M$ product. -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
et wrote: On Wednesday 07 July 2004 09:06 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: if someone uses a Micro$haft product knowingly That (to me) seems like such an oxymoron, no one but a moron (or someone giving a demostration of how morons act) would 'knowingly' use a M$ product. Actually et; The word you're looking for is probably dichotomy, not oxymoron. For Example, here's a list of oxymorons from where else? Oxymoron dot com in reverse order I was too lazy to Cut and Paste each one separately. I personally like example No.1. 20. Government Organization 19. Alone Together 18. Personal Computer 17. Silent Scream 16. Living Dead 15. Same Difference 14. Taped Live 13. Plastic Glasses 12. Tight Slacks 11. Peace Force 10. Pretty Ugly 9. Head Butt 8. Working Vacation 7. Tax Return 6. Virtual Reality 5. Dodge Ram 4. Work Party 3. Jumbo Shrimp 2. Healthy Tan 1. Microsoft Works Of course, they forgot my two other favourites; 1) Central Intelligence Agency, and, 2) Trust us, we're from the government, we're here to help! I'm fairly sure that Lyvim was simply expressing his annoyance at the depth to which Microsoft has deluded the general public. I have to say that I agree with him on that fact! It just proves that you don't have to build a great product to be No. 1, You just good at building in such a way that all the morons will buy it! Looks like Microsoft got it right the first time, which is a total shame, since their products really DO suck more often than not! It never ceases to amaze me at what the public will buy into if the marketing is done properly! The really funny thing is that their installation tools work flawlessly, while the stuff you're installing blows chunks! Huh! Go Figure! Fortunately, I've found quite a few free applications which replace Microsoft's products, whether they're made for Windows or for Linux, and I regularly install those for my clients as well as for my own use. There's just something about using someone else's brand of software to access Microsoft services that gives me a warm-fuzzy feeling! Especially when they're not loaded with adware and spyware! Speaking of free, has anyone else been to http://theopencd.sunsite.dk ? Or am I the only one who knows about it? Nice ISO file with an easy to use install GUI for anyone trying to get Windows users to switch to Free software. Nuff Said! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
On Monday 12 July 2004 01:37 pm, Lanman wrote: Speaking of free, has anyone else been to http://theopencd.sunsite.dk ? Or am I the only one who knows about it? Nice ISO file with an easy to use install GUI for anyone trying to get Windows users to switch to Free software. Nuff Said! Lanman I've been d/l'g new releases an makin CD's for those that are willin for a few years. Few takers, even fewer who actually used the CD's to install anything. Most all of which were victims of M$ viruses, but hopelessly cling to IE, and Outlook Express. I usually try'n give 'em a Knoppix CD too. I'm firmly convinced the 90% of clinging M$ users are just that hopeless. One new laptop user (HP with XP) didn't even last a few days before he was infected. He refused the Knoppix CD sayin his owners manual warned not to try and use Linux on it. But when challenged, he couldn't find that part, admitted he just 'heard that'. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday 12 July 2004 01:37 pm, Lanman wrote: Speaking of free, has anyone else been to http://theopencd.sunsite.dk ? Or am I the only one who knows about it? Nice ISO file with an easy to use install GUI for anyone trying to get Windows users to switch to Free software. Nuff Said! Lanman I've been d/l'g new releases an makin CD's for those that are willin for a few years. Few takers, even fewer who actually used the CD's to install anything. Most all of which were victims of M$ viruses, but hopelessly cling to IE, and Outlook Express. I usually try'n give 'em a Knoppix CD too. I'm firmly convinced the 90% of clinging M$ users are just that hopeless. One new laptop user (HP with XP) didn't even last a few days before he was infected. He refused the Knoppix CD sayin his owners manual warned not to try and use Linux on it. But when challenged, he couldn't find that part, admitted he just 'heard that'. Tom; I hear ya Man! It's a bit different for me, and possibly for other folks too, because most of them ask for Windows (where I immediately go into my you should consider Linux and this is what it looks like, and this is what it costs - routine), but almost all of them try to get me to install M$ Office for free. My reply sounds a lot like Sorry! That's not gonna happen!, and that's when I show them OpenOffice, Trillian (replacement for MSN Messenger), Firefox, Mozilla or Netscape with only the web-browser component installed, and Thunderbird for email. Then I start telling them the benefits of each, and they either get tired of hearing me talk, or they see the sense of what I'm saying. Most of the users out there ( or as I prefer to call them - Victims ) are just afraid of change, not of the actual programs themselves. Something else I'm noticing is that a lot of my new clients are hearing about Microsoft's issues before they even come to me. Still others try to get me to fix their Microsoft programs while I'm fixing something else, and that's when I install the ones I mentioned above. I'm constantly amazed (although I probably shouldn't be, by now) at how often I get calls from people who have virus-related problems! For the most part, they have no idea of the fact that the have to UPDATE their anti-virus definitions, and in fact many of them actually shut the damn things off because they get annoyed about the pop-up that's displayed when the update is occurring. Needless to say, a lot of PC builders are probably kept very busy just from re-installs. I'm almost guaranteed a phone call from a Windows client 4 months into the warranty period. They don't run scandisk, defrag, or anti-virus updates, and can't understand why they see pop-ups or find spyware on their systems! Thinking I could do my clients a favour, I created a document which I place in the All Users folder under C:\Documents and Settings, and you'd be surprised at how many clients go out of their way to delete it! Anyway, I agree that the majority of users will cling to M$ stuff, until something drastic happens to change their minds. Until then, we shall have to console ourselves with the fact that we are the chosen few who were smart enough to go with Linux to begin with! Sigh! It's lonely at the top! Grin! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 07:19:18 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: If you're a Sympatico client, check your email settings and take a close look at your PoP3 and SMTP server names. If they contain host names like pophm and smtphm , your account has already been moved! If they don't contain those hostnames, then you'll be receiving an update from Sympatico sometime in the next 6 months. The hm in the hostname stands for HOTMAIL, because that's the server that will be handling your emails! Sorry, been otherwise occupied lately... Just to be clear: at some point, I'm going to get a notice from Sympatico telling me to change my e-mail settings to the new server names in order to send and receive mail? IStop here I come! I've already got the Alcatel modem, so no installation fee, no modem rental, and I pay the same price I'm paying now. Oh wait, with IStop I get a static IP for that same price :-) Joe; Welcome back. According to new information, you were supposed to get an email from Microsoft or Bell-Sympatico, telling you to re-register with Passport so that Sympatico or Microsoft could verify that your email address was legit - ie; you weren't using some old email address from Sympatico which you may/may not have been using in the past via Hotmail or MSN. Read the article for yourself and let me know if it makes any sense; http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.viewcategory_id=60content_id=2109 In addition to this confusing piece of tripe, new users of Sympatico are required to change their Sympatico email password AT Microsoft's Passport site (not at Sympatico's site), so that they can activate their Sympatico email account! Those new customers will also have to get a M$ Passport if they don't already have one, including Hotmail and MSN, since you can't get a Passport without getting a Hotmail account. They are also required to use the new POP3 and SMTP servers for their accounts (named as pophm.sympatico.ca and smtphm.sympatico.ca on Sympatico's new documentation), and I was told by a Sympatico supervisor that all customers would be getting moved gradually to the new system. I suspect that the hm in the server names represents Sympatico's name policy for HotMail or Home-Microsoft, so that their techno-weenies can tell what configuration is required when dealing with clients who are having email problems. In addition, those new servers will be parked at Microsoft's server-farm. Don't that give you a warm, fuzzy feeling for Sympatico? FYI, I've already filed a complaint with the CRTC and Sympatico has 30 days to respond, after which the CRTC will have a complaints panel review the situation. Now you have the latest info. Sleep well! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
On Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:07:30 -0500 Lanman disseminated the following: Joe; Welcome back. According to new information, you were supposed to get an email from Microsoft or Bell-Sympatico, telling you to re-register with Passport so that Sympatico or Microsoft could verify that your email address was legit - ie; you weren't using some old email address from Sympatico which you may/may not have been using in the past via Hotmail or MSN. ...I read the article, but what I'm not clear on yet is: I do not use Passport, Hotmail, or any other MS 'service', so I'm assuming this does not apply to me, no? Read the article for yourself and let me know if it makes any sense; http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.viewcategory_id=60content_id=2109 In addition to this confusing piece of tripe, new users of Sympatico are required to change their Sympatico email password AT Microsoft's Passport site (not at Sympatico's site), so that they can activate their Sympatico email account! Those new customers will also have to get a M$ Passport if they don't already have one, including Hotmail and MSN, since you can't get a Passport without getting a Hotmail account. ...but again, I do not use Hotmail or .Not or MSN or any of their garbage. This is why I'm doubtful I'll really see any changes (from the link you provided): Please be advised that your @Sympatico.ca e-mail address and Sympatico Internet service will not be affected by any of these changes. Anyway, it's all moot since I'm not going to continue to pay Sympatico when even one dime of that is going to the Borg. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 10:03:53 up 10 days, 12:34, 6 users, load average: 1.52, 1.52, 1.44 +++ I believe what I said yesterday ... I don't know what I said, er, but I know what I think, and ... well, I assume it's what I said. -- Donald Rumsfeld Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:07:30 -0500 Lanman disseminated the following: Joe; Welcome back. According to new information, you were supposed to get an email from Microsoft or Bell-Sympatico, telling you to re-register with Passport so that Sympatico or Microsoft could verify that your email address was legit - ie; you weren't using some old email address from Sympatico which you may/may not have been using in the past via Hotmail or MSN. ...I read the article, but what I'm not clear on yet is: I do not use Passport, Hotmail, or any other MS 'service', so I'm assuming this does not apply to me, no? Read the article for yourself and let me know if it makes any sense; http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.viewcategory_id=60content_id=2109 In addition to this confusing piece of tripe, new users of Sympatico are required to change their Sympatico email password AT Microsoft's Passport site (not at Sympatico's site), so that they can activate their Sympatico email account! Those new customers will also have to get a M$ Passport if they don't already have one, including Hotmail and MSN, since you can't get a Passport without getting a Hotmail account. ...but again, I do not use Hotmail or .Not or MSN or any of their garbage. This is why I'm doubtful I'll really see any changes (from the link you provided): Please be advised that your @Sympatico.ca e-mail address and Sympatico Internet service will not be affected by any of these changes. Anyway, it's all moot since I'm not going to continue to pay Sympatico when even one dime of that is going to the Borg. Joe; Since you're changing ISP, you're right, it won't matter. But if anyone is staying with Sympatico, they'll be getting moved to the new system. As part of that move, users must apply for a Passport, which automatically set's them up for Hotmail, and subsequently MSN Messenger. But the defacto policy from Microsoft (a.k.a. The Borg), is that users must check in to Hotmail at least once a month or their Hotmail accounts (and thereby your Passport AND POSSIBLY your Passport and Sympatico accounts), will be suspended or shutdown completely. This looks like another attempt by Microsoft to grab a big chunk of new Hotmail users before any of the other webmail providers get their hands on them! I suspect that once M$ finds a way to dominate the global webmail market, they'll also find a way to start charging fees for it. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 07:19:18 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: If you're a Sympatico client, check your email settings and take a close look at your PoP3 and SMTP server names. If they contain host names like pophm and smtphm , your account has already been moved! If they don't contain those hostnames, then you'll be receiving an update from Sympatico sometime in the next 6 months. The hm in the hostname stands for HOTMAIL, because that's the server that will be handling your emails! Sorry, been otherwise occupied lately... Just to be clear: at some point, I'm going to get a notice from Sympatico telling me to change my e-mail settings to the new server names in order to send and receive mail? IStop here I come! I've already got the Alcatel modem, so no installation fee, no modem rental, and I pay the same price I'm paying now. Oh wait, with IStop I get a static IP for that same price :-) -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 17:52:13 up 9 days, 20:22, 6 users, load average: 1.54, 1.53, 1.38 +++ The Chretien government's decision not to enter the Iraq war is a defining moment in Canada's foreign-policy history. It is now supported, according to a recent CBC poll, by a staggering 79 per cent of the population. -- Globe and Mail, June 3, 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 23:06, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: --- Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: essentially forcing Yahoo and Google IMAP clients to move to Passport. Most users won't pay attention to what's being done until some hacker get's into their Passport account and gets all their passwords and usernames for POP email as well as Hotmail and MSN accounts! Too bad I didn't record the conversation from last night, but my client still has the Sympatico instruction documents at her place. I intend to scour those documents for anything I can find out! If anyone has more details on this, I'd appreciate hearing from you! Lanman Thanks to The Legend Lanman for bringing this out into the light. Good work. I'm amazed that the arrogance of these people just keeps on coming. snip LX - good on ya. How poignant. So how to tell the public? stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products Without a goal, a life is nothing. Sometimes the goal becomes a man's entire life, an all-consuming passion. But once that goal is achieved, what then? Oh, poor man, what then? -LADY HELENA ATREIDES, her personal journals Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sympatico gives their clients the Microshaft!
--- Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 23:06, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: --- Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: essentially forcing Yahoo and Google IMAP clients to move to Passport. Most users won't pay attention to what's being done until some hacker get's into their Passport account and gets all their passwords and usernames for POP email as well as Hotmail and MSN accounts! Too bad I didn't record the conversation from last night, but my client still has the Sympatico instruction documents at her place. I intend to scour those documents for anything I can find out! If anyone has more details on this, I'd appreciate hearing from you! Lanman Thanks to The Legend Lanman for bringing this out into the light. Good work. I'm amazed that the arrogance of these people just keeps on coming. snip LX - good on ya. How poignant. So how to tell the public? Print out an iron-on and make a t shirt? I don't know, get creative. Come up with something. How about getting a mailing list of all Sympatico customers, and then let a Sympatico customer email the other Sympatico customers with what's going on. That's one idea. May work out, may not. Or some Sympatico customers could get together with a Krispy Kreme doughnut fund raiser and then use the money to rent either some billboard space or some space in some newspapers. Or some Sympatico customers could call their local news station with the story that their personal email passwords are being taken by others without their approval or knowledge. The local news stations might be interested in a story like that. Just some examples. LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
