Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
Hello Charlie, Friday, December 26, 2003, 10:26:33 AM, you wrote: I agree. I was also looking for this. It is really too bad they don't have a linux version. CM So start whining to the developers of The Bat!; I have asked about it, and, no, I was not whining, despite your obvious bias. :-) CM and stop feeling abused I don't feel the slightest bit abused, despite your obvious bias. :-) CM posting about your perceived slight and disappointment over it on CM Mandrake mailing lists. I didn't start the thread, and was just responding. Do I detect a bit of sensitivity here? :-) CM Nobody here, other than you few, seems to feel left out that this application CM isn't available for GNU/Linux; Likely because it is not used by that many people, just those of us smart enough to avoid M$ by using a superior product. :-) Even YOU might like, if you tried it. :-) CM and since the developers of the software CM obviously have to eat CM If it ain't GPL, it doesn't get into the download release. Of course. That's OK with me. I'd be willing to buy a Mandrake version. Well worth the modest price. CM In all seriousness; I still think it's a stupid name for an e-mail client, It is a bit odd, but most people remember it because it is so unusual. Perhaps just a smart marketing idea? :-) Stupid? Well, I guess with your bias :-) CM but CM that's probably just me. Could be. :-) CM Peace; Peace? With a post like this? :-) -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
Hello Ronald, Friday, December 26, 2003, 10:38:03 AM, you wrote: RJH On Friday 26 December 2003 01:26 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote: - In all seriousness; I still think it's a stupid name for an e-mail client, RJH Nope, I've been trying to figure out why they call it TB as RJH well (I guess its my medical background - I keep thinking RJH Tuberculosis!) grin Me too, at times. :-) RJH At least most Linux names have a reason/background - somebody enlighten us RJH poor souls - why do they call it The Bat? :-) I think some people from Transylvania were involved in the development. :-) I heard the story some time ago, centered on some of the interesting characteristics of bats, and how the ideas might apply to email communications, IIRC. A bit of a stretch, as I remember, but I'm not from Transylvania. :-) see, no teeth -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
Op zondag 28 december 2003 08:41, schreef rikona: Likely because it is not used by that many people, just those of us smart enough to avoid M$ by using a superior product. :-) Even YOU might like, if you tried it. :-) hey Ricona, this discussion made me curious, so I installed crossover office and The Bat! Christmas edition and it works, cannot tell you about the plugins, as kmail user I'am not familiar with this program and it looks like there is a lot to configure :-) greetingsronald -- Registered Linux User #163597 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
On Sunday 28 December 2003 02:50 am, rikona wrote: snip - I think some people from Transylvania were involved in the - development. :-) I heard the story some time ago, centered on some of - the interesting characteristics of bats, and how the ideas might apply - to email communications, IIRC. A bit of a stretch, as I remember, but - I'm not from Transylvania. :-) see, no teeth - grin Ahso that explains it - thanks much Rikona! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
Hello Melissa, Sunday, December 21, 2003, 9:47:31 PM, you wrote: MR I haven't seen *any* email client that really impresses me when I MR compare to TB!). I agree. I was also looking for this. It is really too bad they don't have a linux version. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 26 December 2003 1:03 am, rikona wrote: Hello Melissa, Sunday, December 21, 2003, 9:47:31 PM, you wrote: MR I haven't seen *any* email client that really impresses me when I MR compare to TB!). I agree. I was also looking for this. It is really too bad they don't have a linux version. So start whining to the developers of The Bat!; and stop feeling abused and posting about your perceived slight and disappointment over it on Mandrake mailing lists. (-; Nobody here, other than you few, seems to feel left out that this application isn't available for GNU/Linux; and since the developers of the software obviously have to eat it'll never be included in a download edition of the distribution anyway. Since that's the version of Mandrake the vast majority of the people posting on/lurking on this and other Mandrake lists use it's up to you. Offer them money to develop a port for GNU/Linux, that often works. If it ain't GPL, it doesn't get into the download release. In all seriousness; I still think it's a stupid name for an e-mail client, but that's probably just me. Peace; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdk 11:18:15 up 5 days, 21:07, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.09, 0.09 There is very little future in being right when your boss is wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/7H1ZZqvqlrLPr5YRAn1qAJ9xFZuozrea0GBrF0kstggRbpHi1ACeJ+iB 9OX7HG0wcmky5a0YwaPwp24= =rQie -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
On Friday 26 December 2003 01:26 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote: - In all seriousness; I still think it's a stupid name for an e-mail client, but - that's probably just me. - - Peace; - Charlie Nope, I've been trying to figure out why they call it TB as well (I guess its my medical background - I keep thinking Tuberculosis!) grin At least most Linux names have a reason/background - somebody enlighten us poor souls - why do they call it The Bat? :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
Hi Jason, On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 22:23, you wrote: have you tried evolution?? I'm writing this email from Evolution. i like evolution but i do want something better... i havent tried the mozilla one yet.. i have seen some emails people send that indent the replies in the same email that came from a diff reply, hope yu can understand what im getting at.. Um...I have to admit that I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. I suppose I could guess, but could you explain a bit more? what do u think is the best in the linux world.. i dont like using M$ programs with wine cuz its the reason i dont use M$ programs.. heheh Just to be clear about something...The Bat! is not a MS program, as it's just a program that happens to be written for use on Windows. When I deal with Windows, the OS itself is the only MS program that I use. Evolution feels too much like OE to me (eek!), so that alone kinda makes me cringe. That may not be the most rational reason to dislike it, but there are other things I don't like about it as well. In fact, in order to re-format the cut up quoted text above, I had to resort to using a Windows text cleanup/re-formatting utility that I currently have working under Wine. Also...I don't know why this happens, but very often, Evolution freezes for several seconds, and this is quite annoying. I must admit (again and again), that I'm quite spoiled by using The Bat! for email, so I can only really evaluate the various Linux email clients I've tried in terms of being the least offensive of the bunch. In that sense, even though Sylpheed-claws seems to have more options, I'm finding Kmail has earned my least offensive award for the moment. :-) As far as running The Bat! under Wine goes, I wish I didn't feel that it was my only chance to be really happy with an email client in Linux, but at this point, it is. What I really wish for is to have TB! ported to Linux, so I wouldn't have to deal with Wine at all (I could then even use the TB! editor to enhance Knode or Pan composition, and wouldn't have to use the cleanup/re-formatting utility I'm currently using under Wine to work with those). I know that many here will refuse to try any program written for Windows, so I don't expect them to really understand why I'm not very impressed with the various Linux email clients when I compare them to The Bat!, but what can I say?...what you don't know can't impress you! :-) -- Melissa signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Me, On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 11:22:44 PM PST, I wrote: I'm writing this email from Evolution. Eek! I get a bad GnuPG signature verification on my Evolution signed message. :-( - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/5p5YjVbXUvsE8ukRAnAjAKCxEjswgdH+L05Ge+c47bFs6ytlHgCfc9Aq WysRBcSrGApMej9PQZHWeCA= =BApL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 00:22, Melissa Reese wrote: Hi Jason, On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 22:23, you wrote: have you tried evolution?? I'm writing this email from Evolution. i like evolution but i do want something better... i havent tried the mozilla one yet.. i have seen some emails people send that indent the replies in the same email that came from a diff reply, hope yu can understand what im getting at.. Um...I have to admit that I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. I suppose I could guess, but could you explain a bit more? what do u think is the best in the linux world.. i dont like using M$ programs with wine cuz its the reason i dont use M$ programs.. heheh Just to be clear about something...The Bat! is not a MS program, as it's just a program that happens to be written for use on Windows. When I deal with Windows, the OS itself is the only MS program that I use. Evolution feels too much like OE to me (eek!), so that alone kinda makes me cringe. That may not be the most rational reason to dislike it, but there are other things I don't like about it as well. In fact, in order to re-format the cut up quoted text above, I had to resort to using a Windows text cleanup/re-formatting utility that I currently have working under Wine. Also...I don't know why this happens, but very often, Evolution freezes for several seconds, and this is quite annoying. I must admit (again and again), that I'm quite spoiled by using The Bat! for email, so I can only really evaluate the various Linux email clients I've tried in terms of being the least offensive of the bunch. In that sense, even though Sylpheed-claws seems to have more options, I'm finding Kmail has earned my least offensive award for the moment. :-) As far as running The Bat! under Wine goes, I wish I didn't feel that it was my only chance to be really happy with an email client in Linux, but at this point, it is. What I really wish for is to have TB! ported to Linux, so I wouldn't have to deal with Wine at all (I could then even use the TB! editor to enhance Knode or Pan composition, and wouldn't have to use the cleanup/re-formatting utility I'm currently using under Wine to work with those). I know that many here will refuse to try any program written for Windows, so I don't expect them to really understand why I'm not very impressed with the various Linux email clients when I compare them to The Bat!, but what can I say?...what you don't know can't impress you! :-) ok the evolution freezing every few seconds only happens on my 64 bit box... on my 9.2 32 bit it does not freeze.. i havent checked the version numbers but i thought i was the only one that had that problem.. and what i was gettin at before is that ill get and email that is a reply to what i wrote and it will be indented.. and if there is a reply to a reply in that email it will be included in the new email but indented even further... unless someone ran a script to make it do that.. but i think its whatever email program they r using. i guess ill look for bat and see what its about :) -- jason pearl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ Keep your friends close and your enemies closer-Tupac ++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZregistered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 03:22, Melissa Reese wrote: under Wine. Also...I don't know why this happens, but very often, Evolution freezes for several seconds, and this is quite annoying. Hi Melissa: I also had this problem with Evolution and some other applications. After I put: 127.0.0.1 myhostname.mydomain myhostname in /etc/hosts it started to work flawlessly. Happy Holidays, Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
Ever try Mulberry? http://www.cyrusoft.com/index.html Shawn On Monday, Dec 22, 2003, at 01:35 US/Central, jason pearl wrote: On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 00:22, Melissa Reese wrote: Hi Jason, On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 22:23, you wrote: have you tried evolution?? I'm writing this email from Evolution. i like evolution but i do want something better... i havent tried the mozilla one yet.. i have seen some emails people send that indent the replies in the same email that came from a diff reply, hope yu can understand what im getting at.. Um...I have to admit that I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. I suppose I could guess, but could you explain a bit more? what do u think is the best in the linux world.. i dont like using M$ programs with wine cuz its the reason i dont use M$ programs.. heheh Just to be clear about something...The Bat! is not a MS program, as it's just a program that happens to be written for use on Windows. When I deal with Windows, the OS itself is the only MS program that I use. Evolution feels too much like OE to me (eek!), so that alone kinda makes me cringe. That may not be the most rational reason to dislike it, but there are other things I don't like about it as well. In fact, in order to re-format the cut up quoted text above, I had to resort to using a Windows text cleanup/re-formatting utility that I currently have working under Wine. Also...I don't know why this happens, but very often, Evolution freezes for several seconds, and this is quite annoying. I must admit (again and again), that I'm quite spoiled by using The Bat! for email, so I can only really evaluate the various Linux email clients I've tried in terms of being the least offensive of the bunch. In that sense, even though Sylpheed-claws seems to have more options, I'm finding Kmail has earned my least offensive award for the moment. :-) As far as running The Bat! under Wine goes, I wish I didn't feel that it was my only chance to be really happy with an email client in Linux, but at this point, it is. What I really wish for is to have TB! ported to Linux, so I wouldn't have to deal with Wine at all (I could then even use the TB! editor to enhance Knode or Pan composition, and wouldn't have to use the cleanup/re-formatting utility I'm currently using under Wine to work with those). I know that many here will refuse to try any program written for Windows, so I don't expect them to really understand why I'm not very impressed with the various Linux email clients when I compare them to The Bat!, but what can I say?...what you don't know can't impress you! :-) ok the evolution freezing every few seconds only happens on my 64 bit box... on my 9.2 32 bit it does not freeze.. i havent checked the version numbers but i thought i was the only one that had that problem.. and what i was gettin at before is that ill get and email that is a reply to what i wrote and it will be indented.. and if there is a reply to a reply in that email it will be included in the new email but indented even further... unless someone ran a script to make it do that.. but i think its whatever email program they r using. i guess ill look for bat and see what its about :) -- jason pearl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ Keep your friends close and your enemies closer-Tupac ++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZregistered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N signature.asc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 06:50, Shawn Protsman wrote: Ever try Mulberry? http://www.cyrusoft.com/index.html dont look to bad but it looks like it costs $ hehe i can live with evo -- jason pearl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ Keep your friends close and your enemies closer-Tupac ++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZregistered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
Just for my 23 cents worth, I was using evolution for over a year and just switched to kmail, I am not so thrilled with either to tell the truth. I would have stayed with evolution if not for the lockups I kept having and it's lack of proper hebrew support. I get the feeling that the real big boys email programs on linux aren't the gui ones but the text based ones. I tried mutt for a short time but just didn't have the time or patience to set it up the way I needed, but I saw that it was more powerful and had the ability to do anything I would ever need. I never tried gnus but I would guess it is also true. That fact that they have been around longer than the gui's is most probably the reason. Anyone try Sylpheed?? Balsa?? A lot of people are raving about thunderbird, I might try it and see. Aaron Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi The Other, On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 6:25:55 AM PST, you wrote: Has anyone familiar with The Bat! looked into M2 and Opera 7.23? I'm in Windows at the moment, but I don't suppose the Opera package would look and behave much differently under Linux. Next time I'm in Mandrake, I'll install Opera and have a look anyway. I haven't looked at Opera since I got my new computer, so after reading your message, I installed it, set up an account in M2, and had a look around. Frankly, I'm not impressed...not even a wee bit. :-) I've never seen a browser/email/news combination that I felt had a decent email client (or news reader). For that matter, I've never seen an email client/news reader combination that I felt did both equally well (or at least as well as I would like). The closest I've seen to a half-way decent browser connected email client is Mozilla (and even there, I would prefer the stand alone Mozilla/Thunderbird email client with the Enigmail GnuPG integration). Still though, even Moz/Thunderbird/Enigmail doesn't impress me when I compare it to The Bat! (no surprise there, as I haven't seen *any* email client that really impresses me when I compare to TB!). Even looking into the additional options in the M2 .ini file, I didn't see nearly the range of options available in most real email clients (my use of the term real is of course subjective, but so be it). Even having to manually edit the .ini file for some very basic email options is really clumsy. If you don't deal with much email, and all you want is the ability to send and receive email, and have a very basic address book, I suppose just about anything that calls itself an email client will do...including M2 (I suppose even AOL can do that much! :-)). If you want much greater functionality in terms of just about every aspect of email presentation, management, and composition, I would suggest looking elsewhere. Again, these are just my subjective opinions, so take them for what they're worth to you. :-) If you're working in Linux, I do feel that the available stand alone email clients (including Moz/Thunderbird) are all better than Opera's M2. I haven't had much of a chance to work on my Mandrake installation these past few days, and probably can't get back to it for another week or so, but when I do, I'm going to see if I can get The Bat! working through Wine. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/5oUKjVbXUvsE8ukRAl1KAKCtIQHJ81KrwF/qC6pLzNRCHEBGoQCfRRzR mVI7wEVeaMlYCbqMTPQyC1w= =lLYV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 22:47, Melissa Reese wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi The Other, On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 6:25:55 AM PST, you wrote: Has anyone familiar with The Bat! looked into M2 and Opera 7.23? I'm in Windows at the moment, but I don't suppose the Opera package would look and behave much differently under Linux. Next time I'm in Mandrake, I'll install Opera and have a look anyway. I haven't looked at Opera since I got my new computer, so after reading your message, I installed it, set up an account in M2, and had a look around. Frankly, I'm not impressed...not even a wee bit. :-) I've never seen a browser/email/news combination that I felt had a decent email client (or news reader). For that matter, I've never seen an email client/news reader combination that I felt did both equally well (or at least as well as I would like). The closest I've seen to a half-way decent browser connected email client is Mozilla (and even there, I would prefer the stand alone Mozilla/Thunderbird email client with the Enigmail GnuPG integration). Still though, even Moz/Thunderbird/Enigmail doesn't impress me when I compare it to The Bat! (no surprise there, as I haven't seen *any* email client that really impresses me when I compare to TB!). Even looking into the additional options in the M2 .ini file, I didn't see nearly the range of options available in most real email clients (my use of the term real is of course subjective, but so be it). Even having to manually edit the .ini file for some very basic email options is really clumsy. If you don't deal with much email, and all you want is the ability to send and receive email, and have a very basic address book, I suppose just about anything that calls itself an email client will do...including M2 (I suppose even AOL can do that much! :-)). If you want much greater functionality in terms of just about every aspect of email presentation, management, and composition, I would suggest looking elsewhere. Again, these are just my subjective opinions, so take them for what they're worth to you. :-) If you're working in Linux, I do feel that the available stand alone email clients (including Moz/Thunderbird) are all better than Opera's M2. I haven't had much of a chance to work on my Mandrake installation these past few days, and probably can't get back to it for another week or so, but when I do, I'm going to see if I can get The Bat! working through Wine. - -- Melissa have you tried evolution?? i like evolution but i do want something better... i havent tried the mozilla one yet.. i have seen some emails people send that indent the replies in the same email that came from a diff reply, hope yu can understand what im getting at.. what do u think is the best in the linux world.. i dont like using M$ programs with wine cuz its the reason i dont use M$ programs.. heheh -- jason pearl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ Keep your friends close and your enemies closer-Tupac ++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZregistered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
