Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hello Frank Thanks for that vote of confidence! No joy with df ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit Tried to do the attachments as requested. The only /etc/udev/udev is the .conf. I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a /etc/udev/udev/permission The files don't all match your requests. I've included old lilo seeing as it is there. The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d Hope this makes sense. Rosemary You missed the most important part Rosemary: Compare to two commands below: $ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [ Your closet command to my request ] $ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [ The correct command ~ notice the greater than symbol ] This is how [ whenever it is possible to do so ] we put the output of a command ( in this case $ df ) to a text file instead of printing it directly to the screen. This makes/overwrites a text file at the location ( path ) you choose. An extension of this is to use two greater than symbolsand this will add to the text file rather than overwrite it. Hope this becomes a useful tool for you to use. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hello Frank Thanks for that vote of confidence! No joy with df ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit Tried to do the attachments as requested. The only /etc/udev/udev is the .conf. I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a /etc/udev/udev/permission The files don't all match your requests. I've included old lilo seeing as it is there. The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d Hope this makes sense. Rosemary My second reply to this one sorry about that but needed to get the first part done. As to your attachments, these I can use and will study them but know they are mostly mandrake specific generated files and do not follow the usual udev conventions: more for me to learn 'cause I will properly face this setup myself when I upgrade. One thing stands out immediately: Within your 00-mdk.rules file is a section for sound devices: There is no mention here of Alsa at all, yet this is where things are usually initiated and I am surprised by Alsa's absence. You might want to start a thread at newbie@linux-mandrake.com about this. That is: alsa hangs the system during bootup and that it being missing from this file: Ask if this is normal? Now back to sorting the rest. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
On Monday 28 Mar 2005 14:47, SnapafunFrank wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hello Frank Thanks for that vote of confidence! No joy with df ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit Tried to do the attachments as requested. The only /etc/udev/udev is the .conf. I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a /etc/udev/udev/permission The files don't all match your requests. I've included old lilo seeing as it is there. The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d Hope this makes sense. Rosemary You missed the most important part Rosemary: Compare to two commands below: $ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [ Your closet command to my request ] $ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [ The correct command ~ notice the greater than symbol ] This is how [ whenever it is possible to do so ] we put the output of a command ( in this case $ df ) to a text file instead of printing it directly to the screen. This makes/overwrites a text file at the location ( path ) you choose. An extension of this is to use two greater than symbolsand this will add to the text file rather than overwrite it. Hope this becomes a useful tool for you to use. In fact I had tried it both ways, and have tried again. [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt On the first ocassion, some while ago, I got syntax error when I put the greater than sign in. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Monday 28 Mar 2005 14:47, SnapafunFrank wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hello Frank Thanks for that vote of confidence! No joy with df ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit Tried to do the attachments as requested. The only /etc/udev/udev is the .conf. I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a /etc/udev/udev/permission The files don't all match your requests. I've included old lilo seeing as it is there. The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d Hope this makes sense. Rosemary You missed the most important part Rosemary: Compare to two commands below: $ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [ Your closet command to my request ] $ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [ The correct command ~ notice the greater than symbol ] This is how [ whenever it is possible to do so ] we put the output of a command ( in this case $ df ) to a text file instead of printing it directly to the screen. This makes/overwrites a text file at the location ( path ) you choose. An extension of this is to use two greater than symbolsand this will add to the text file rather than overwrite it. Hope this becomes a useful tool for you to use. In fact I had tried it both ways, and have tried again. [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt On the first ocassion, some while ago, I got syntax error when I put the greater than sign in. Rosemary Well, I just tried it by highlighting and copy then pasting it into konsole just as you have reported it back here and on my desktop I now have the df.txt file ( changed rosemary to frank of course. Something else to fix because this is a great tool for sharing your problems AND for making text files of your files before you make alterations. In a previous post you sent me the output of df so I have that info at least and is why I have asked for the fdisk stuff. Try cd~ing to the Desktop and see if all the directories exist as to /home/rosemary/Desktop/ It may well be that there is something different here. *Er if either of the commands simply returned you directly to the prompt without doing anything then check your Desktop the file ( df.txt ) may actually be there...* -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
On Monday 28 Mar 2005 15:00, SnapafunFrank wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hello Frank Thanks for that vote of confidence! No joy with df ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit Tried to do the attachments as requested. The only /etc/udev/udev is the .conf. I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a /etc/udev/udev/permission The files don't all match your requests. I've included old lilo seeing as it is there. The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d Hope this makes sense. Rosemary My second reply to this one sorry about that but needed to get the first part done. As to your attachments, these I can use and will study them but know they are mostly mandrake specific generated files and do not follow the usual udev conventions: more for me to learn 'cause I will properly face this setup myself when I upgrade. One thing stands out immediately: Within your 00-mdk.rules file is a section for sound devices: There is no mention here of Alsa at all, yet this is where things are usually initiated and I am surprised by Alsa's absence. You might want to start a thread at newbie@linux-mandrake.com about this. That is: alsa hangs the system during bootup and that it being missing from this file: Ask if this is normal? I booted with ALSA disabled - but I guess there should still be an entry? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
On Monday 28 Mar 2005 15:29, SnapafunFrank wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Monday 28 Mar 2005 14:47, SnapafunFrank wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hello Frank Thanks for that vote of confidence! No joy with df ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit Tried to do the attachments as requested. The only /etc/udev/udev is the .conf. I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a /etc/udev/udev/permission The files don't all match your requests. I've included old lilo seeing as it is there. The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d Hope this makes sense. Rosemary You missed the most important part Rosemary: Compare to two commands below: $ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [ Your closet command to my request ] $ df/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [ The correct command ~ notice the greater than symbol ] This is how [ whenever it is possible to do so ] we put the output of a command ( in this case $ df ) to a text file instead of printing it directly to the screen. This makes/overwrites a text file at the location ( path ) you choose. An extension of this is to use two greater than symbolsand this will add to the text file rather than overwrite it. Hope this becomes a useful tool for you to use. In fact I had tried it both ways, and have tried again. [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt On the first ocassion, some while ago, I got syntax error when I put the greater than sign in. Rosemary Well, I just tried it by highlighting and copy then pasting it into konsole just as you have reported it back here and on my desktop I now have the df.txt file ( changed rosemary to frank of course. Something else to fix because this is a great tool for sharing your problems AND for making text files of your files before you make alterations. In a previous post you sent me the output of df so I have that info at least and is why I have asked for the fdisk stuff. Try cd~ing to the Desktop and see if all the directories exist as to /home/rosemary/Desktop/ It may well be that there is something different here. *Er if either of the commands simply returned you directly to the prompt without doing anything then check your Desktop the file ( df.txt ) may actually be there...* Yes - it is there. I had looked but missed it - partly because it is so small, and also because I have a beautiful photo of Abel Tasman Park set as wallpaper, and it was lost in that. Apologies ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: On Monday 28 Mar 2005 15:00, SnapafunFrank wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hello Frank Thanks for that vote of confidence! No joy with df ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt bash: /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# df /home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt df: `/home/rosemary/Desktop/df.txt': No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosemary]# exit Tried to do the attachments as requested. The only /etc/udev/udev is the .conf. I can't attach the /etc/udev/permission.d and can't see a /etc/udev/udev/permission The files don't all match your requests. I've included old lilo seeing as it is there. The rules is /etc/udev/rules.d Hope this makes sense. Rosemary My second reply to this one sorry about that but needed to get the first part done. As to your attachments, these I can use and will study them but know they are mostly mandrake specific generated files and do not follow the usual udev conventions: more for me to learn 'cause I will properly face this setup myself when I upgrade. One thing stands out immediately: Within your 00-mdk.rules file is a section for sound devices: There is no mention here of Alsa at all, yet this is where things are usually initiated and I am surprised by Alsa's absence. You might want to start a thread at newbie@linux-mandrake.com about this. That is: alsa hangs the system during bootup and that it being missing from this file: Ask if this is normal? I booted with ALSA disabled - but I guess there should still be an entry? Yes we will need to rely on someone knowledgeable with alsa things to help with this one but you may wish to search for set up alsa howto . Let us know if you find anything. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Hello, I lost count of the number of times my blind experimentation (along with sheer stupidity (like the time I uninstalled the package installer DOH!). Do not be afraid of this. However, the best advice I ever got on this list was to mount your /home directory on a seperate partition. When (If!) you need to reinstall, only install the /root on the root partition, thus saving all your personal files. This isn't as technical as it sounds, but I would defer to someone better schooled in these matters to step you through it. - JHM PS: you might want to leave the reply to address blanc on your mail client (Kmail, etc). It makes it easier for people to simple reply to you. On Saturday 26 March 2005 1:20 am, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: I also am prepared to do a reinstall if things look too idiotic! I don't have a lot in Mandrake to lose. I have saved a heap of emails relating to Mandrake, but should be able to access them in the archive. I'm happy to atke advice and try fixes suggested, but not keen to have people spending too much time on it ... Appreciate your help Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
James Henry Maiewski wrote: Hello, I lost count of the number of times my blind experimentation (along with sheer stupidity (like the time I uninstalled the package installer DOH!). Do not be afraid of this. However, the best advice I ever got on this list was to mount your /home directory on a seperate partition. When (If!) you need to reinstall, only install the /root on the root partition, thus saving all your personal files. This isn't as technical as it sounds, but I would defer to someone better schooled in these matters to step you through it. - JHM PS: you might want to leave the reply to address blanc on your mail client (Kmail, etc). It makes it easier for people to simple reply to you. Thanks Yes - it's abit of a learning curve. Fortunately, if I do have to reinstall it's not important data lost, mostly list stuff, ad had not had Mandrake up for long. But point taken. When I get going again, some housekeeping will be in order. It's funny really - most men I have known have not been into housekeeping ... :-) Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
James Henry Maiewski wrote: Hello, I lost count of the number of times my blind experimentation (along with sheer stupidity (like the time I uninstalled the package installer DOH!). Do not be afraid of this. However, the best advice I ever got on this list was to mount your /home directory on a seperate partition. When (If!) you need to reinstall, only install the /root on the root partition, thus saving all your personal files. This isn't as technical as it sounds, but I would defer to someone better schooled in these matters to step you through it. - JHM PS: you might want to leave the reply to address blanc on your mail client (Kmail, etc). It makes it easier for people to simple reply to you. On Saturday 26 March 2005 1:20 am, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: I also am prepared to do a reinstall if things look too idiotic! I don't have a lot in Mandrake to lose. I have saved a heap of emails relating to Mandrake, but should be able to access them in the archive. I'm happy to atke advice and try fixes suggested, but not keen to have people spending too much time on it ... Appreciate your help Rosemary Rosemary. I think you will find that at present both Mikkel and I are enjoying time with our families, it being easter and all. We will assist you no matter what you decide but I believe you need to make a choice that suits you yourself first. Either re-install or repair. I believe you will learn heaps more of linux if you should attempt your own linux installation recovery [ albeit with our assistance ] rather than going for the re-install. But this must be your choice. Should you decide to go for a rescue attempt then lets start at the beginning and get some tools organized whilst you are still within windows. Try doing this: search for, download and burn to floppy the tomsrtbt image. You will need rawrite or possibly rawrite2 to do this within windows. Have a read of what you find. While within windows send us a copy of /etc/lilo.conf ~ a copy of /etc/fstab [ not /etc/fstab.save ] ~ and a copy of your /etc/inittab At present, I take it that you cannot even get to the login screen ? -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
James Henry Maiewski wrote: Hello, I lost count of the number of times my blind experimentation (along with sheer stupidity (like the time I uninstalled the package installer DOH!). Do not be afraid of this. However, the best advice I ever got on this list was to mount your /home directory on a seperate partition. When (If!) you need to reinstall, only install the /root on the root partition, thus saving all your personal files. This isn't as technical as it sounds, but I would defer to someone better schooled in these matters to step you through it. - JHM PS: you might want to leave the reply to address blanc on your mail client (Kmail, etc). It makes it easier for people to simple reply to you. Yes ... I installed using the defaults, but obviously have stuffed something up since! Oh .. sigh I don't know how - am paranoid about the CLI but actually now prefer that for package installation because at least know when I go into root and not. Sorry about the email reply to. I blame windows! eg I keep setting plain text and it keep defaulting! But the reply to is me .. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
I think you will find that at present both Mikkel and I are enjoying time with our families, it being easter and all. Yes - I totally understand that. Simply posting that stuff because i have the head space to do it. We will assist you no matter what you decide but I believe you need to make a choice that suits you yourself first. I'm prepared to wait - but *very* aware of the time people put into this, and feel very humbled by it. Also not my thing to be dependent .. Either re-install or repair. I believe you will learn heaps more of linux if you should attempt your own linux installation recovery [ albeit with our assistance ] rather than going for the re-install. I agree But this must be your choice. Should you decide to go for a rescue attempt then lets start at the beginning and get some tools organized whilst you are still within windows. Try doing this: search for, download and burn to floppy the tomsrtbt image. You will need rawrite or possibly rawrite2 to do this within windows. Have a read of what you find. While within windows send us a copy of /etc/lilo.conf ~ a copy of /etc/fstab [ not /etc/fstab.save ] ~ and a copy of your /etc/inittab At present, I take it that you cannot even get to the login screen ? No - stalls at ALSA, and don't think it is a sound problem. Will do the above ... Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Okay - I tried this. At the cd it said home not set so I added / after looking down at the vi instructions - hope that was right, now thinking it should have been ~! Anyway - rebooted and it stalled at ALSA again. In windows explore2fs, now see only hda2, hda3 and hda6. In hda2 fstab.save shows this: /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Rosemary Hi Rosemary, Yes, it should have been cd / and not cd. The reasion for that is so that your current directory is not inside the partition you are trying to unmount. Otherwise you would get a message about the partition being in use. While you could do a shutdown without unmounting the partition, and probably not have any problems, I like to play it safe when working remotely. End result - we have a tempary fix for one source of trouble. But we still have the origional problem. The next step is to see if we can isolate it a bit. We have a couple of ways to go here. MOre then I had thought we would, because of the boot menu choice you use to boot the system. You have said that you are not using the linux entry to boot the system. Was there a problem where the system would not boot when you used that option? Things to try: Boot with the linux-nonfb option, and see if that makes a difference. Try the I (interactive) option when booting, and do not start ALSA. Does the system boot then? This should give you a system without sound. The hit I for interactive boot is displayed as part of the boot messages. If you normaly have the bootsplash screen with the progress bar showing when booting, you will have to hit the Esc key to see the messages. There is a fairly long period between when the message is displayed, and when you actualy enter the interactive mode. It does several things after displaying the message, before it reaches the decision point. (Display message, do other things while giving the user time to react, then check for user responce. No user timeout delay.) If the system boots fine without ALSA starting, then we can work on getting ALSA fixed. If it doesn't, then we know the problem is elseware. From the way the problem apeared, I suspect that there may be an interupt sharing problem between the sound card and the USB interface, but this is just a guess at this point. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Okay - I tried this. At the cd it said home not set so I added / after looking down at the vi instructions - hope that was right, now thinking it should have been ~! Anyway - rebooted and it stalled at ALSA again. In windows explore2fs, now see only hda2, hda3 and hda6. In hda2 fstab.save shows this: /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Rosemary Hi Rosemary, Yes, it should have been cd / and not cd. The reasion for that is so that your current directory is not inside the partition you are trying to unmount. Otherwise you would get a message about the partition being in use. While you could do a shutdown without unmounting the partition, and probably not have any problems, I like to play it safe when working remotely. End result - we have a tempary fix for one source of trouble. But we still have the origional problem. The next step is to see if we can isolate it a bit. We have a couple of ways to go here. MOre then I had thought we would, because of the boot menu choice you use to boot the system. You have said that you are not using the linux entry to boot the system. Was there a problem where the system would not boot when you used that option? Things to try: Boot with the linux-nonfb option, and see if that makes a difference. Try the I (interactive) option when booting, and do not start ALSA. Does the system boot then? This should give you a system without sound. The hit I for interactive boot is displayed as part of the boot messages. If you normaly have the bootsplash screen with the progress bar showing when booting, you will have to hit the Esc key to see the messages. There is a fairly long period between when the message is displayed, and when you actualy enter the interactive mode. It does several things after displaying the message, before it reaches the decision point. (Display message, do other things while giving the user time to react, then check for user responce. No user timeout delay.) If the system boots fine without ALSA starting, then we can work on getting ALSA fixed. If it doesn't, then we know the problem is elseware. From the way the problem apeared, I suspect that there may be an interupt sharing problem between the sound card and the USB interface, but this is just a guess at this point. Mikkel Hi Mikkel: Rosemary has sent me directly some info which I think you ought to be privy to. Her lilo.conf gives the devfs=nomount append only on the one she appears able to boot with. ( albeit that it stalls at ALSA later ) Her append lines also include resume=/mnt/hda8 which is a new one for me, so I'm off to learn something about that one. Hope this helps us help Rosemary, I'm learning heaps off things I did'nt need to know before, so am staying very interested in helping Rosemary out. I've also started another thread df table file . If you get a chance, see if you can assist with this one please. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
SnapafunFrank wrote: Hi Mikkel: Rosemary has sent me directly some info which I think you ought to be privy to. Her lilo.conf gives the devfs=nomount append only on the one she appears able to boot with. ( albeit that it stalls at ALSA later ) Her append lines also include resume=/mnt/hda8 which is a new one for me, so I'm off to learn something about that one. This is used for software suspend. It is the swap partition where the information needed to restore the system from suspend is stored. It probably isn't being used. Hope this helps us help Rosemary, I'm learning heaps off things I did'nt need to know before, so am staying very interested in helping Rosemary out. Definitly more to think about. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on /mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to see exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all kinds of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets mounted before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. I am not sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not be susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory in the base directory on hda6. What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, drop to the console, and run: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc mv fstab fstab.save grep -v hda6 fstab.save fstab cd umount /mnt reboot What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 line in it. If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with grep, and renaming files, use this instead. mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc cp fstab fstab.save vi fstab move down to line starting /dev/hda6 Enter i#Esc Enter :wq cd / umount /mnt eboot For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe. Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should be mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should not hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to get it mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!) Mikkel Okay - I tried this. At the cd it said home not set so I added / after looking down at the vi instructions - hope that was right, now thinking it should have been ~! Anyway - rebooted and it stalled at ALSA again. In windows explore2fs, now see only hda2, hda3 and hda6. In hda2 fstab.save shows this: /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: SnapafunFrank wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file. Here it is /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Regards Rosemary This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on /mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to see exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all kinds of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets mounted before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. I am not sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not be susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory in the base directory on hda6. What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, drop to the console, and run: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc mv fstab fstab.save grep -v hda6 fstab.save fstab cd umount /mnt reboot What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 line in it. If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with grep, and renaming files, use this instead. mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc cp fstab fstab.save vi fstab move down to line starting /dev/hda6 Enter i#Esc Enter :wq cd / umount /mnt eboot For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe. Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should be mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should not hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to get it mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!) Mikkel OK Mikkel, I did not see it that way and submit that you know more about this than I but I'm not clear about this and wonder if Rosemary will be able to follow the logic you mention. First, I agree that hda6 as the /mnt directory is out of place, and wonder why the /mnt directory even has it's own partition. The directories inside my /mnt directory are afterall only to allow linking to partitions and/or devices. Hence my windows partition would be something like /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win with win being the partition and not mnt . I now see even more issues and can understand your concern so would ask how we could get the result printf from her windows side that would give us the same result we can get when we issue: # df when within our running system. eg: mine looks like this ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mnt]# df FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda5 966M 711M 206M 78% / /dev/hda1 966M 14M 903M 2% /boot /dev/hda6 9.4G 5.1G 4.0G 57% /usr /dev/hda8 9.4G 8.7G 730M 93% /home /dev/hda91020M 303M 666M 32% /var /dev/hda3 12G 1.3G 9.5G 13% /mnt/empty /dev/hda4 3.4G 2.7G 713M 80% /mnt/win_h /dev/hdb2 16M 2.3M 13M 16% /mnt/hdb2_boot /dev/hdb5 92M 55M 33M 63% /mnt/hdb5_root /dev/hdb6 92M 62M 25M 72% /mnt/hdb6_var /dev/hdb7 3.1G 1.9G 1.1G 64% /mnt/hdb7_usr /dev/hdb9 1.5G 1.4G 151M 91% /mnt/hdb9_home /dev/hdb1 14G 13G 1.2G 92% /mnt/win_c2 From this printf we would be able to determine the correct layout for /etc/fstab for her hard drive, and I agree, before she gets to cdrom, floppies, etc. [ An alternative is to get her up with the rescue option as you described above and take her step by step through the commands she needs to get us the relevant info. ~ your thoughts ? ] But I reiterate ~ /mnt should not be a partition on it's own ? Your thoughts here also please. Thinking back on some other posts of hers, I think it should be /data instead of /mnt. I am not sure how to explain about what would be going on here - it is not a newbie topic, as the logic is a bit hard to follow. The things is, you can
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: SnapafunFrank wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file. Here it is /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Regards Rosemary This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on /mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to see exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all kinds of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets mounted before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. I am not sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not be susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory in the base directory on hda6. What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, drop to the console, and run: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc mv fstab fstab.save grep -v hda6 fstab.save fstab cd umount /mnt reboot What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 line in it. If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with grep, and renaming files, use this instead. mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc cp fstab fstab.save vi fstab move down to line starting /dev/hda6 Enter i#Esc Enter :wq cd / umount /mnt eboot For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe. Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should be mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should not hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to get it mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!) Mikkel OK Mikkel, I did not see it that way and submit that you know more about this than I but I'm not clear about this and wonder if Rosemary will be able to follow the logic you mention. First, I agree that hda6 as the /mnt directory is out of place, and wonder why the /mnt directory even has it's own partition. The directories inside my /mnt directory are afterall only to allow linking to partitions and/or devices. Hence my windows partition would be something like /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win with win being the partition and not mnt . I now see even more issues and can understand your concern so would ask how we could get the result printf from her windows side that would give us the same result we can get when we issue: # df when within our running system. eg: mine looks like this ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mnt]# df FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda5 966M 711M 206M 78% / /dev/hda1 966M 14M 903M 2% /boot /dev/hda6 9.4G 5.1G 4.0G 57% /usr /dev/hda8 9.4G 8.7G 730M 93% /home /dev/hda91020M 303M 666M 32% /var /dev/hda3 12G 1.3G 9.5G 13% /mnt/empty /dev/hda4 3.4G 2.7G 713M 80% /mnt/win_h /dev/hdb2 16M 2.3M 13M 16% /mnt/hdb2_boot /dev/hdb5 92M 55M 33M 63% /mnt/hdb5_root /dev/hdb6 92M 62M 25M 72% /mnt/hdb6_var /dev/hdb7 3.1G 1.9G 1.1G 64% /mnt/hdb7_usr /dev/hdb9 1.5G 1.4G 151M 91% /mnt/hdb9_home /dev/hdb1 14G 13G 1.2G 92% /mnt/win_c2 From this printf we would be able to determine the correct layout for /etc/fstab for her hard drive, and I agree, before she gets to cdrom, floppies, etc. [ An alternative is to get her up with the rescue option as you described above and take her step by step through the commands she needs to get us the relevant info. ~ your thoughts ? ] But I reiterate ~ /mnt should not be a partition on it's own ? Your thoughts here also please. Thinking back on some other posts of hers, I think it should be /data instead of /mnt. I am not sure how to explain about what would be going on here - it is not a newbie topic, as the logic is a bit hard to follow. The things is, you can
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
SnapafunFrank wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file. Here it is /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Regards Rosemary This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on /mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to see exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all kinds of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets mounted before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. I am not sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not be susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory in the base directory on hda6. What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, drop to the console, and run: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc mv fstab fstab.save grep -v hda6 fstab.save fstab cd umount /mnt reboot What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 line in it. If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with grep, and renaming files, use this instead. mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc cp fstab fstab.save vi fstab move down to line starting /dev/hda6 Enter i#Esc Enter :wq cd / umount /mnt eboot For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe. Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should be mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should not hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to get it mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!) Mikkel OK Mikkel, I did not see it that way and submit that you know more about this than I but I'm not clear about this and wonder if Rosemary will be able to follow the logic you mention. And Rosemary is wondering about it too! :-) Not doing anything until I am off nights and recovered, and can think straight. Also see my other post re other possibilities of error ... First, I agree that hda6 as the /mnt directory is out of place, and wonder why the /mnt directory even has it's own partition. The directories inside my /mnt directory are afterall only to allow linking to partitions and/or devices. Hence my windows partition would be something like /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win with win being the partition and not mnt . I now see even more issues and can understand your concern so would ask how we could get the result printf from her windows side that would give us the same result we can get when we issue: # df when within our running system. eg: mine looks like this ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mnt]# df FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda5 966M 711M 206M 78% / /dev/hda1 966M 14M 903M 2% /boot /dev/hda6 9.4G 5.1G 4.0G 57% /usr /dev/hda8 9.4G 8.7G 730M 93% /home /dev/hda91020M 303M 666M 32% /var /dev/hda3 12G 1.3G 9.5G 13% /mnt/empty /dev/hda4 3.4G 2.7G 713M 80% /mnt/win_h /dev/hdb2 16M 2.3M 13M 16% /mnt/hdb2_boot /dev/hdb5 92M 55M 33M 63% /mnt/hdb5_root /dev/hdb6 92M 62M 25M 72% /mnt/hdb6_var /dev/hdb7 3.1G 1.9G 1.1G 64% /mnt/hdb7_usr /dev/hdb9 1.5G 1.4G 151M 91% /mnt/hdb9_home /dev/hdb1 14G 13G 1.2G 92% /mnt/win_c2 From this printf we would be able to determine the correct layout for /etc/fstab for her hard drive, and I agree, before she gets to cdrom, floppies, etc. [ An alternative is to get her up with the rescue option as you described above and take her step by step through the commands she needs to get us the relevant info. ~ your thoughts ? ] But I reiterate ~ /mnt should not be a partition on it's own ? Your thoughts here also please.
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file. Here it is /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Regards Rosemary This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on /mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to see exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all kinds of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets mounted before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. I am not sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not be susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory in the base directory on hda6. What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, drop to the console, and run: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc mv fstab fstab.save grep -v hda6 fstab.save fstab cd umount /mnt reboot What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 line in it. If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with grep, and renaming files, use this instead. mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc cp fstab fstab.save vi fstab move down to line starting /dev/hda6 Enter i#Esc Enter :wq cd / umount /mnt eboot For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe. Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should be mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should not hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to get it mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!) Mikkel OK Mikkel, I did not see it that way and submit that you know more about this than I but I'm not clear about this and wonder if Rosemary will be able to follow the logic you mention. First, I agree that hda6 as the /mnt directory is out of place, and wonder why the /mnt directory even has it's own partition. The directories inside my /mnt directory are afterall only to allow linking to partitions and/or devices. Hence my windows partition would be something like /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win with win being the partition and not mnt . I now see even more issues and can understand your concern so would ask how we could get the result printf from her windows side that would give us the same result we can get when we issue: # df when within our running system. eg: mine looks like this ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mnt]# df FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda5 966M 711M 206M 78% / /dev/hda1 966M 14M 903M 2% /boot /dev/hda6 9.4G 5.1G 4.0G 57% /usr /dev/hda8 9.4G 8.7G 730M 93% /home /dev/hda91020M 303M 666M 32% /var /dev/hda3 12G 1.3G 9.5G 13% /mnt/empty /dev/hda4 3.4G 2.7G 713M 80% /mnt/win_h /dev/hdb2 16M 2.3M 13M 16% /mnt/hdb2_boot /dev/hdb5 92M 55M 33M 63% /mnt/hdb5_root /dev/hdb6 92M 62M 25M 72% /mnt/hdb6_var /dev/hdb7 3.1G 1.9G 1.1G 64% /mnt/hdb7_usr /dev/hdb9 1.5G 1.4G 151M 91% /mnt/hdb9_home /dev/hdb1 14G 13G 1.2G 92% /mnt/win_c2 From this printf we would be able to determine the correct layout for /etc/fstab for her hard drive, and I agree, before she gets to cdrom, floppies, etc. [ An alternative is to get her up with the rescue option as you described above and take her step by step through the commands she needs to get us the relevant info. ~ your thoughts ? ] But I reiterate ~ /mnt should not be a partition on it's own ? Your thoughts here also please. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
SnapafunFrank wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file. Here it is /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Regards Rosemary This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on /mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to see exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all kinds of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets mounted before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. I am not sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not be susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory in the base directory on hda6. What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, drop to the console, and run: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc mv fstab fstab.save grep -v hda6 fstab.save fstab cd umount /mnt reboot What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 line in it. If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with grep, and renaming files, use this instead. mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc cp fstab fstab.save vi fstab move down to line starting /dev/hda6 Enter i#Esc Enter :wq cd / umount /mnt eboot For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe. Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should be mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should not hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to get it mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!) Mikkel OK Mikkel, I did not see it that way and submit that you know more about this than I but I'm not clear about this and wonder if Rosemary will be able to follow the logic you mention. First, I agree that hda6 as the /mnt directory is out of place, and wonder why the /mnt directory even has it's own partition. The directories inside my /mnt directory are afterall only to allow linking to partitions and/or devices. Hence my windows partition would be something like /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win with win being the partition and not mnt . I now see even more issues and can understand your concern so would ask how we could get the result printf from her windows side that would give us the same result we can get when we issue: # df when within our running system. eg: mine looks like this ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mnt]# df FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda5 966M 711M 206M 78% / /dev/hda1 966M 14M 903M 2% /boot /dev/hda6 9.4G 5.1G 4.0G 57% /usr /dev/hda8 9.4G 8.7G 730M 93% /home /dev/hda91020M 303M 666M 32% /var /dev/hda3 12G 1.3G 9.5G 13% /mnt/empty /dev/hda4 3.4G 2.7G 713M 80% /mnt/win_h /dev/hdb2 16M 2.3M 13M 16% /mnt/hdb2_boot /dev/hdb5 92M 55M 33M 63% /mnt/hdb5_root /dev/hdb6 92M 62M 25M 72% /mnt/hdb6_var /dev/hdb7 3.1G 1.9G 1.1G 64% /mnt/hdb7_usr /dev/hdb9 1.5G 1.4G 151M 91% /mnt/hdb9_home /dev/hdb1 14G 13G 1.2G 92% /mnt/win_c2 From this printf we would be able to determine the correct layout for /etc/fstab for her hard drive, and I agree, before she gets to cdrom, floppies, etc. [ An alternative is to get her up with the rescue option as you described above and take her step by step through the commands she needs to get us the relevant info. ~ your thoughts ? ] But I reiterate ~ /mnt should not be a partition on it's own ? Your thoughts here also please. Thinking back on some other posts of hers, I think it should be /data instead of /mnt. I am not sure how to explain about what would be going on here - it is not a newbie topic, as the logic is a bit hard to follow. The things is, you can use ANY directory as a mount
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Dennis Myers wrote: On Monday 21 March 2005 07:26 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Card reader arrived today so thought I would try it out! Big mistake! I read instructions on a board and following that took a look using HardDrake - don't know if this is it or not. Instructions said to look at hda. It says "old device file: /dev/hda" and just below " New devfs device: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc". That's when I should have posted! Thought I would plug it in and see if it would auto detect on reboot, but it hung at "starting ALSA". So unplugged it and rebooted without it, but still hung at ALSA. So here I am in windows begging for help to get mandrake going again. Frank I don't where I'm at with your requests because I can't get to my emails in mandrake! Thanks in advance Rosemary It may be hanging because it is looking for the card reader. Try putting Disk 1 in and booting and when you get the first screen do the F1 enter and then type "rescue" at the prompt. When it brings up a dos like screen arrow to the mount partitions and enter and when done do an exit and reboot the computer. Let us know what happens, HTH Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file. Here it is /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Regards Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Dennis Myers wrote: On Monday 21 March 2005 07:26 pm, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Card reader arrived today so thought I would try it out! Big mistake! I read instructions on a board and following that took a look using HardDrake - don't know if this is it or not. Instructions said to look at hda. It says old device file: /dev/hda and just below New devfs device: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc. That's when I should have posted! Thought I would plug it in and see if it would auto detect on reboot, but it hung at starting ALSA. So unplugged it and rebooted without it, but still hung at ALSA. So here I am in windows begging for help to get mandrake going again. Frank I don't where I'm at with your requests because I can't get to my emails in mandrake! Thanks in advance Rosemary It may be hanging because it is looking for the card reader. Try putting Disk 1 in and booting and when you get the first screen do the F1 enter and then type rescue at the prompt. When it brings up a dos like screen arrow to the mount partitions and enter and when done do an exit and reboot the computer. Let us know what happens, HTH Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file. Here it is /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Regards Rosemary Nothing there Rosemary : And the fact that you can post it means you did not upset things when you copied your files for me. Now my system IS different from yours and where I have /etc/udev/udev.rules [ So does yours ] you may also have /etc/udev/50-udev.rules. If so could you please give me a copy of that ? What I am looking for is entries within the udev system such as I have in my /etc/udev/udev.rules file. Like: ...snip... # alsa devices KERNEL=controlC[0-9]*, NAME=snd/%k KERNEL=hw[CD0-9]*, NAME=snd/%k KERNEL=pcm[CD0-9cp]*, NAME=snd/%k KERNEL=midi[CD0-9]*, NAME=snd/%k KERNEL=timer, NAME=snd/%k KERNEL=seq,NAME=snd/%k My thought here is that we temporarily stop this lot happening to see whether or not there is a problem : we would do that by commenting out all the lines by editing this file and placing a # at the beginning of each of these lines. It's just that I'm not sure where on your system this is likely to be at present. [ I believe you are using MDK10.1 ? whereas I'm staying with MDK10 Official for now.] Not at home during the day but I'm sure there are plenty of helpers out there for immediate advise and I will be sure to check my email each night. Can't beat going at things one step at a time. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Frank suggested I install explore2fs and post the fstab file. Here it is /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda9 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,noauto,ro,exec,users 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 swap swap defaults 0 0 Regards Rosemary This is strange. You are mounting hda6 on /mnt, and then the CD-ROM is mounting on /mnt/cdrom. It is not normal proactice to mount anyting on /mnt, as you normaly have mount points for removable devices in this directory. In your case, your CD-ROM is mounted there, as well as your Windows partition. I would have to look into things a lot deeper, to see exactly what order things would get mounted, but I can picture all kinds of strange things going on here. If the Windows partition gets mounted before hda6, then you are probably going to lose access to it. I am not sure what is going to happen with the CD-ROM, but I would not be susprised if it failed to mount if there is not a cdrom directory in the base directory on hda6. What you may want to try is to boot the install CD in the rescue mode, drop to the console, and run: mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc mv fstab fstab.save grep -v hda6 fstab.save fstab cd umount /mnt reboot What you are doing is to mount your root partition, and change to what is normaly the /etc direcroty. You are then renaming fstab to fstab.save. The grep command is cheating a new fstab without the hda6 line in it. If you are more comfortable using vi instead of messing around with grep, and renaming files, use this instead. mount /dev/hda5 /mnt cd /mnt/etc cp fstab fstab.save vi fstab move down to line starting /dev/hda6 Enter i#Esc Enter :wq cd / umount /mnt eboot For the vi commands, do not enter the , and the Esc is the Esc key. Use the down arrow key to move down the hage. What you are doing is putting the # at the start of the line to comment it out. You do not realy need to make a backup copy of fstab, but I like to play it safe. Now, I don't know if this will fix the problem you are having, and we will have to discover what is going on with hda6, and where it should be mounted. But it is one problem that I do see, so fixing it should not hurt. (If it is susposed to be mounted of /usr, then we have to get it mounted correctly before the will boot correctly!) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
i am so sorry to hear about that, Rosemary ... i was so sure it would work, i never heard of anyone getting problems for pluging in a usb drive ... otherwise i would have told you to make a backup first. do you also think that maybe your version of mandrake has some underlying problems ? ALSA is the sound server, right ? what if you installed a fresh version of mandrake ? i often needed to do that, with any operating system i had. kind regards philippe -- Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Card reader arrived today so thought I would try it out! Big mistake! I read instructions on a board and following that took a look using HardDrake - don't know if this is it or not. Instructions said to look at hda. It says old device file: /dev/hda and just below New devfs device: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc. That's when I should have posted! Thought I would plug it in and see if it would auto detect on reboot, but it hung at starting ALSA. So unplugged it and rebooted without it, but still hung at ALSA. So here I am in windows begging for help to get mandrake going again. Frank I don't where I'm at with your requests because I can't get to my emails in mandrake! Thanks in advance Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Philippe Landau wrote: i am so sorry to hear about that, Rosemary ... i was so sure it would work, i never heard of anyone getting problems for pluging in a usb drive ... otherwise i would have told you to make a backup first. do you also think that maybe your version of mandrake has some underlying problems ? ALSA is the sound server, right ? what if you installed a fresh version of mandrake ? i often needed to do that, with any operating system i had. kind regards philippe Reinstalling Mandrake should be a last resort. It isn't something you should have to resort to. Knowing what you did before you had the problem is always a good place to start... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Philippe Landau wrote: i am so sorry to hear about that, Rosemary ... i was so sure it would work, i never heard of anyone getting problems for pluging in a usb drive ... otherwise i would have told you to make a backup first. Hey - not your fault. do you also think that maybe your version of mandrake has some underlying problems ? ALSA is the sound server, right ? For some reason it hung there too when a I attempted to install a USB mouse a few weeks ago. what if you installed a fresh version of mandrake ? i often needed to do that, with any operating system i had. Maybe - will wait and see. Guess this is where linux fixability is put to the test! Only problem is the operator! :-) regards Rosemary -- Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Card reader arrived today so thought I would try it out! Big mistake! I read instructions on a board and following that took a look using HardDrake - don't know if this is it or not. Instructions said to look at hda. It says "old device file: /dev/hda" and just below " New devfs device: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc". That's when I should have posted! Thought I would plug it in and see if it would auto detect on reboot, but it hung at "starting ALSA". So unplugged it and rebooted without it, but still hung at ALSA. So here I am in windows begging for help to get mandrake going again. Frank I don't where I'm at with your requests because I can't get to my emails in mandrake! Thanks in advance Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
Reinstalling Mandrake should be a last resort. It isn't something you should have to resort to. Knowing what you did before you had the problem is always a good place to start... Mikkel I have also posted to a local user group, and if I cannot get it going myself have the option of trying to get to one of their meetings, and they will help me there. The nearest group is over an hour away though - why I don't go to the meetings. Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Linux maintenance - fresh install (Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
i am so sorry to hear about that, Rosemary ... i was so sure it would work, i never heard of anyone getting problems for pluging in a usb drive ... otherwise i would have told you to make a backup first. Hey - not your fault. thanks :-) do you also think that maybe your version of mandrake has some underlying problems ? ALSA is the sound server, right ? For some reason it hung there too when a I attempted to install a USB mouse a few weeks ago. someone mentions the same problem with mandrake on his box tonight. what if you installed a fresh version of mandrake ? i often needed to do that, with any operating system i had. Maybe - will wait and see. Guess this is where linux fixability is put to the test! Only problem is the operator! :-) yes. and i am not inclined to dabble in CLI for days sorting out traffic problems in Linux's guts :-) so i do a new and additional backup of /home and /data (my data :-) to an external harddisk, disconnect, format the internal harddisk (enjoy the fresh air :-) and install a spanking new copy of my favourite Linux :-) it's like a bath in a mountain river. kind regards philippe -- Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Card reader arrived today so thought I would try it out! Big mistake! I read instructions on a board and following that took a look using HardDrake - don't know if this is it or not. Instructions said to look at hda. It says old device file: /dev/hda and just below New devfs device: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc. That's when I should have posted! Thought I would plug it in and see if it would auto detect on reboot, but it hung at starting ALSA. So unplugged it and rebooted without it, but still hung at ALSA. So here I am in windows begging for help to get mandrake going again. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Linux maintenance - fresh install (Re: [newbie] USB card reader problem
thanks :-) do you also think that maybe your version of mandrake has some underlying problems ? ALSA is the sound server, right ? For some reason it hung there too when a I attempted to install a USB mouse a few weeks ago. someone mentions the same problem with mandrake on his box tonight. I gather from the reading I've done that USB is a bit of an issue for some Mandrake users. what if you installed a fresh version of mandrake ? i often needed to do that, with any operating system i had. Maybe - will wait and see. Guess this is where linux fixability is put to the test! Only problem is the operator! :-) yes. and i am not inclined to dabble in CLI for days sorting out traffic problems in Linux's guts :-) so i do a new and additional backup of /home and /data (my data :-) to an external harddisk, disconnect, format the internal harddisk (enjoy the fresh air :-) and install a spanking new copy of my favourite Linux :-) it's like a bath in a mountain river. kind regards philippe No - well I'm still wary of the command line as root, anything as root. I'd have a go at a reinstall but worry about Lilo and losing the dual boot. In any case I think it'll be recoverable, I just don't know how, but will follow Dennis's suggestion, which matches what the local LUG advised. Regards Rosemary -- Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Card reader arrived today so thought I would try it out! Big mistake! I read instructions on a board and following that took a look using HardDrake - don't know if this is it or not. Instructions said to look at hda. It says "old device file: /dev/hda" and just below " New devfs device: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc". That's when I should have posted! Thought I would plug it in and see if it would auto detect on reboot, but it hung at "starting ALSA". So unplugged it and rebooted without it, but still hung at ALSA. So here I am in windows begging for help to get mandrake going again. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
