Re: [newbie] dual boot with XP
Norman, You don't need to edit boot.ini LILO will boot XP for you. Did you install XP first or second? If Linux went in last, your boot loader install should have given you a lilo entry for both XP and Linux. If this isn't the case (sounds like it), then you can either add whatever lilo entries are not there manually and then run lilo as root, or you can boot off the install cd again, select expert and upgrade, and let the installer fix it for you. Here is my /etc/lilo.conf in case you want to do it the first way: boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=normal default=linux keytable=/boot/us.klt lba32 prompt timeout=50 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hda6 append= hdc=ide-scsi devfs=nomount quiet vga=788 read-only other=/dev/hda1 label=windoze table=/dev/hda This is for 8.1, so devfs is switched off. You will probably want to leave it on with 8.2 All you need is two entries like those above pointing as the right partitions and you will be in business. HTH Brian On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 17:48, Norman Zhang wrote: Hi, I am trying to dual boot Linux Mandrake 8.2 with XP. XP runs on the primary disk, and LM 8.2 runs on the secondary disk. They are both on the IDE slot 1. I put LILO on hdb. Would someone please tell me how I can edit boot.ini to make it boot for both OS? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] dual boot with XP
you have to put /boot on /dev/hda, I put my in the first 150mb of my hard disk and then I created a Partition for Windows XP about 5gb and then the rest is for Linux / /home /var /swap /tmp etc... and then I use LILO as my boot manager. Also make sure you use FDISK to make the 150mb partition active or else LILO won't load. At least this is what I had to do. As for editing the boot.ini As 'root', edit '/etc/lilo.conf': the first line of lilo.conf reads boot=hda, change the 'hda' to where ever the '/boot' partition is located (find out with mount). Run lilo Make a copy of the new boot sector with dd if=/dev/hda[x] bs=512 count=1 of=linux.lnx Note: 'hda[x]' is whatever the '/boot' partition is. Copy linux.lnx to the windows 'C: drive' cp linux.lnx /mnt/windows_c Modify the 'boot.ini' on the 'C: drive' by appending a line for Mandrake pointing to the location of the copied LILO boot sector: [boot loader] timeout=5 default=C:\ [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT=Microsoft Windows 2000 Pro /fastdetect C:\= Microsoft Windows 98se C:\Linux.lnx=Mandrake 8.0 Reboot. Login to Win98SE. Open a command line window and run: fdisk /mbr to restore the Windows boot sector. -Original Message- From: Norman Zhang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 3:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] dual boot with XP Hi, I am trying to dual boot Linux Mandrake 8.2 with XP. XP runs on the primary disk, and LM 8.2 runs on the secondary disk. They are both on the IDE slot 1. I put LILO on hdb. Would someone please tell me how I can edit boot.ini to make it boot for both OS? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] dual boot with XP
Norman Zhang wrote: Hi, I am trying to dual boot Linux Mandrake 8.2 with XP. XP runs on the primary disk, and LM 8.2 runs on the secondary disk. They are both on the IDE slot 1. I put LILO on hdb. Would someone please tell me how I can edit boot.ini to make it boot for both OS? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Put the boot record on the MBR. Easiest way is to use one CD to run Update, and cancel everything but bootloader then let it put the boot record where it belongs. It works fine dual-booting from there without disturbing the other OS. Of course if you reinstall the other OS you will need to use CD1 as a rescue to get back into linuc and re-run /sbin/lilo. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
windows2000 and presumably XP can handle Fat32, I know that for a fact as my entire drive on my win2000 pro laptop is running on Fat32... (great for testing CGI applications as you never have to worry about permissions..) Diskdrake will not resize your NTFS partition, since that requires writing to it, and as far as I know, linux can't do that reliable as of yet.. you are better off to remove the default XP and reinstall it yourself.. and set the partitions that you want before mandrake makes an apprearance.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Sherman Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 9:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 30 September 2001 08:11 am, Doug Anderson wrote: Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows partition? She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with XP. Will I have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition will be newer than the Linux utility that resizes it? To answer your question, DiskDrake (the partitioning utility) should have no trouble working with your Windows hard drive, as long as the existing filesystem is FAT16 or FAT32 (DOS- and Win9x-formatted). If you get a system with WinXP preinstalled, it may have the NTFS filesystem (NT-formatted, since XP is based on Windows NT/2000), and I don't know if DiskDrake can play with NTFS. I know in the past Dell has offered NT workstations and servers with FAT16 partitions as an option (usually, C is FAT16 and is only used for the OS, and D is NTFS, used for data and applications), so you may be able to get your XP system setup the same way. I don't know if Gateway will do this. Last time I checked, NT4 could not handle FAT32 partitions, thus the FAT16 option offered by Dell. I don't know if Win2000/WinXP has been improved to handle FAT32. Even if DiskDrake *is* able to work with your NTFS partition to resize it, you may run into problems later because at this time, NTFS write support in the Linux kernel is experimental, and I think Mandrake is still only including read-only support for NTFS in their stock kernel. What this means is, you will be able to read from your NTFS partition, but not save files to it, when you are in Linux. Or, you can recompile your kernel with full read-write support for NTFS, however this is considered experimental, and you could actually damage your files by trying to write/save them to the NTFS partition. Dave - -- Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit. (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7tyU/A68l26XsZUYRAqY6AKDjoRztVM/03iH6H/2hRFJpDb7MQQCfX9LX m1EUY5myyh2j63a1PRdnFKI= =Wl5d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Fw: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
Is it possible to use a win98 floppy to partition the disk to the partition you want XP to use and then load XP and mandrake after that??? that should work shouldn't it?? rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 11:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Charles A Edwards Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:46, Charles A Edwards wrote: Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:26:46 -0400 From: Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:11:50 -0400 Doug Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time to buy a replacement for my wife's old Gateway that's running dual boot with Caldera 2.3 and W95. She wants one with a USB port for a digital camera, which also means she will need a bigger HD. My new ASL PC came with LM 7.2 installed. I am sold on LM but I have never installed it. I want to run the replacement PC (probably a low-end Gateway or Dell - any thoughts?) dual boot with LM 8.1 and some version of Windows, which brings me to the question: Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows partition? She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with XP. Will I have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition will be newer than the Linux utility that resizes it? 8.1 and WinXP will dual boot without problem. I am doing so with 8.1 and XP RC2 using Lilo and have had no problems. BUT!! The Mandrake installation CanNot resize NTFS, which is how XP will come pre-installed. If you can afford the $49-69 I would suggest getting PartitionMagic. It works very well and is easy to use. If you prefer not to do so, there are a few 'free' programs which profess the ability of PM. Just do a google search for partitioning programs. A side note on XP. Also if the cost is not prohibitive get XP Professional not not version marketed as Home/Desktop. Charles If the manufacturer has installed XP with the NTFS made for XP, there is _NO_ chance that you can even install Mandrake there without first wiping the hard disk. If they have installed with FAT32 filesystem, then there is _NO_ problem at all, Mandrake will make room for itself and install without disturbing XP. XP is not difficult to install, but the manufacturer may supply you only with a system restore disk which will simply put XP the way the manufacturer wanted it right ion your disk taking up all the space with an NT Filesystem that linux cannot read because it is a Microsoft trade secret. There is no particular advantage to XP, and like all win systems, it is suicidal to operate it connected to the internet. My tests showed it was smooth enough, and would cooperate well with mandrake's bootloaders if it was either NTFS and installed on only part of the disk or FAT32 and installed on all or part of the disk. COSMOS engineering supplies hard disks with linux preinstalled, and I think it is pretty much to order as to what system you have. That may be the necessary workaround if you buy a cheap, mass-produced system with a System Restoration CD. Much the same statements apply to Win2K which also has an unreadable filesystem that is probably illegal to reverse engineer. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:46, Charles A Edwards wrote: Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:26:46 -0400 From: Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:11:50 -0400 Doug Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time to buy a replacement for my wife's old Gateway that's running dual boot with Caldera 2.3 and W95. She wants one with a USB port for a digital camera, which also means she will need a bigger HD. My new ASL PC came with LM 7.2 installed. I am sold on LM but I have never installed it. I want to run the replacement PC (probably a low-end Gateway or Dell - any thoughts?) dual boot with LM 8.1 and some version of Windows, which brings me to the question: Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows partition? She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with XP. Will I have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition will be newer than the Linux utility that resizes it? 8.1 and WinXP will dual boot without problem. I am doing so with 8.1 and XP RC2 using Lilo and have had no problems. BUT!! The Mandrake installation CanNot resize NTFS, which is how XP will come pre-installed. If you can afford the $49-69 I would suggest getting PartitionMagic. It works very well and is easy to use. If you prefer not to do so, there are a few 'free' programs which profess the ability of PM. Just do a google search for partitioning programs. A side note on XP. Also if the cost is not prohibitive get XP Professional not not version marketed as Home/Desktop. Charles If the manufacturer has installed XP with the NTFS made for XP, there is _NO_ chance that you can even install Mandrake there without first wiping the hard disk. If they have installed with FAT32 filesystem, then there is _NO_ problem at all, Mandrake will make room for itself and install without disturbing XP. XP is not difficult to install, but the manufacturer may supply you only with a system restore disk which will simply put XP the way the manufacturer wanted it right ion your disk taking up all the space with an NT Filesystem that linux cannot read because it is a Microsoft trade secret. There is no particular advantage to XP, and like all win systems, it is suicidal to operate it connected to the internet. My tests showed it was smooth enough, and would cooperate well with mandrake's bootloaders if it was either NTFS and installed on only part of the disk or FAT32 and installed on all or part of the disk. COSMOS engineering supplies hard disks with linux preinstalled, and I think it is pretty much to order as to what system you have. That may be the necessary workaround if you buy a cheap, mass-produced system with a System Restoration CD. Much the same statements apply to Win2K which also has an unreadable filesystem that is probably illegal to reverse engineer. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:59, Dave Sherman wrote: On Sunday 30 September 2001 08:11 am, Doug Anderson wrote: Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows partition? She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with XP. Will I have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition will be newer than the Linux utility that resizes it? To answer your question, DiskDrake (the partitioning utility) should have no trouble working with your Windows hard drive, as long as the existing filesystem is FAT16 or FAT32 (DOS- and Win9x-formatted). If you get a system with WinXP preinstalled, it may have the NTFS filesystem (NT-formatted, since XP is based on Windows NT/2000), and I don't know if DiskDrake can play with NTFS. I know in the past Dell has offered NT workstations and servers with FAT16 partitions as an option (usually, C is FAT16 and is only used for the OS, and D is NTFS, used for data and applications), so you may be able to get your XP system setup the same way. I don't know if Gateway will do this. Last time I checked, NT4 could not handle FAT32 partitions, thus the FAT16 option offered by Dell. I don't know if Win2000/WinXP has been improved to handle FAT32. Even if DiskDrake *is* able to work with your NTFS partition to resize it, you may run into problems later because at this time, NTFS write support in the Linux kernel is experimental, and I think Mandrake is still only including read-only support for NTFS in their stock kernel. What this means is, you will be able to read from your NTFS partition, but not save files to it, when you are in Linux. Or, you can recompile your kernel with full read-write support for NTFS, however this is considered experimental, and you could actually damage your files by trying to write/save them to the NTFS partition. Dave NT Write support is experimental for NTFS 4--the reason is that NTFS is a Microsoft trade secret, and what has been done has been done by careful guesswork. Win2K uses NTFS5 -- not even read support Win XP uses YET ANOTHER VARIATION -- not even read support And there may be little or no hope of ever getting any read support, because the DMCA might be used to protect the filesystem from reverse engineering. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
I don't really understand microsofts thinking on that one.. Since we know that unix and linux (mostly unix) hold a large portion of the high end server market, wouldn't it make sense for M$ to make ntfs read and writable by unix/linux? seems that there would be alot of sysadmins who have server farms of unix machines who would not let the bean counters try XP or 2000 on servers (not that they should anyway...) The pain that non readable/writable would cause for things like unified backup and stuff would be a complete pain in the ass... dumb decision that one,, then again, who can honestly say that they are surprised... If someone asked M$ why, they'd say that the recommended method involves bining the unix, installing 2000 or XP on everything, get 50 extra servers to do the same work as the unix systems and use M$ Task scheduler to schedule reboots every 5 hours under load... (or not under load, much the same with M$ on servers...) (I know cos we have a couple,,, I loaded a software firewall on one of ours, just for some extra piece of mind, (its also behind other firewalls) and the 2000 machine core dumps on a regular basis, when the firewall is loaded, yet the same firewall runs perfectly on win2000pro. its almost like win2000 server doesnt want protection.. ) The firewall was Tiny Firewall for anyones interest... I put it on more for the checksom on files more then the firewall itself but I can't use either without a core dump... bloody Winblows!!! just my rambling for the evening... :-) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 11:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave Sherman Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:59, Dave Sherman wrote: On Sunday 30 September 2001 08:11 am, Doug Anderson wrote: Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows partition? She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with XP. Will I have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition will be newer than the Linux utility that resizes it? To answer your question, DiskDrake (the partitioning utility) should have no trouble working with your Windows hard drive, as long as the existing filesystem is FAT16 or FAT32 (DOS- and Win9x-formatted). If you get a system with WinXP preinstalled, it may have the NTFS filesystem (NT-formatted, since XP is based on Windows NT/2000), and I don't know if DiskDrake can play with NTFS. I know in the past Dell has offered NT workstations and servers with FAT16 partitions as an option (usually, C is FAT16 and is only used for the OS, and D is NTFS, used for data and applications), so you may be able to get your XP system setup the same way. I don't know if Gateway will do this. Last time I checked, NT4 could not handle FAT32 partitions, thus the FAT16 option offered by Dell. I don't know if Win2000/WinXP has been improved to handle FAT32. Even if DiskDrake *is* able to work with your NTFS partition to resize it, you may run into problems later because at this time, NTFS write support in the Linux kernel is experimental, and I think Mandrake is still only including read-only support for NTFS in their stock kernel. What this means is, you will be able to read from your NTFS partition, but not save files to it, when you are in Linux. Or, you can recompile your kernel with full read-write support for NTFS, however this is considered experimental, and you could actually damage your files by trying to write/save them to the NTFS partition. Dave NT Write support is experimental for NTFS 4--the reason is that NTFS is a Microsoft trade secret, and what has been done has been done by careful guesswork. Win2K uses NTFS5 -- not even read support Win XP uses YET ANOTHER VARIATION -- not even read support And there may be little or no hope of ever getting any read support, because the DMCA might be used to protect the filesystem from reverse engineering. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP?
On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 17:41:40 +0200 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 September 2001 15:46, Charles A Edwards wrote: Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:26:46 -0400 From: Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Boot with XP? On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:11:50 -0400 Doug Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time to buy a replacement for my wife's old Gateway that's running dual boot with Caldera 2.3 and W95. She wants one with a USB port for a digital camera, which also means she will need a bigger HD. My new ASL PC came with LM 7.2 installed. I am sold on LM but I have never installed it. I want to run the replacement PC (probably a low-end Gateway or Dell - any thoughts?) dual boot with LM 8.1 and some version of Windows, which brings me to the question: Does the Linux utility that creates the partitions when LM is installed over an existing Windows partition care what is in the Windows partition? She would prefer to wait a few weeks and buy the new PC with XP. Will I have a problem because the contents of the Windows partition will be newer than the Linux utility that resizes it? 8.1 and WinXP will dual boot without problem. I am doing so with 8.1 and XP RC2 using Lilo and have had no problems. BUT!! The Mandrake installation CanNot resize NTFS, which is how XP will come pre-installed. If you can afford the $49-69 I would suggest getting PartitionMagic. It works very well and is easy to use. If you prefer not to do so, there are a few 'free' programs which profess the ability of PM. Just do a google search for partitioning programs. A side note on XP. Also if the cost is not prohibitive get XP Professional not not version marketed as Home/Desktop. Charles If the manufacturer has installed XP with the NTFS made for XP, there is _NO_ chance that you can even install Mandrake there without first wiping the hard disk. If they have installed with FAT32 filesystem, then there is _NO_ problem at all, Mandrake will make room for itself and install without disturbing XP. PM 7.0 is MS certified for XP and Can resize such partitions. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
