Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Virus
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:47:15 -0700 rikona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Heather/Femme, snip HF For now, seeing seniors use linux or any segment of the population HF that is of the mindset a comp shold be like a toaster (it just HF works), is a pipe dream. Actually, The seniors I know are rather sharp and need less care than the younger crowd (excluding teen gamers, of course). Many have more time to learn than the two-jobs-to-keep-alive group. One even does computer security consulting on the side. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK OK I pissed of the wrong group! Put the walkers canes down slowly... jeez! I got the message. :D Pissing off seniors everywhere, Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Virus
On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 23:47, rikona wrote: Hello Heather/Femme, Thursday, September 11, 2003, 10:44:15 AM, you wrote: HF Have to agree with Anne. Till linux becomes more pervasive, ppl HF who can only turn the comp on nothing else (and most don't want HF to know more) won't use linux nor is it feasible for them to be HF using it. It might depend on what they do. If they're clueless and insist on messing with the computer, there will be problems for Win or linux. If they just surf, email, etc and either don't want to or are not allowed to mess with it, either might be fine. Win is probably not as satisfactory because of the viruses, spyware, etc - these tend to ask too many questions and need a slight amount of knowledge and maintenance. Not good for this crowd. HF For now, seeing seniors use linux or any segment of the population HF that is of the mindset a comp shold be like a toaster (it just HF works), is a pipe dream. Actually, The seniors I know are rather sharp and need less care than the younger crowd (excluding teen gamers, of course). Many have more time to learn than the two-jobs-to-keep-alive group. One even does computer security consulting on the side. in the days of y-modem downloads, and BBS,,, I tried to setup a 286 in a hospice, that would allow the folks to connect to my BBS, but as soon as the connection was established, the first message that flashed (in text) on the screen was Connect 9600... Error Correction Protocol Established As soon as almost anyone say the 'error' message, they went for the plug in the wall, only the more savvy ones tried the power-button, and NONE waited to see what would happen. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Virus
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:03:42 -0700 rikona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello robin, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 1:17:15 PM, you wrote: r There is also the factor that the average Linux sysadmin is a lot r more savvy than a point-and-click NT sysadmin. And both are almost infinitely more savvy than the new XP user, sitting on the net with no firewall, no AV program, M$ security defaults (wide open), opening that (supposedly) luscious porn pix he just got in an email, clicking on all those unbelievable offers from those kooky web sites, and... well, you get the idea. Ahem, i tutor these people at SeniorNet. They get sold a box with a firewall, virus-checker and windows update. They wouldn't know it has a firewall, run the virus checker regularly but dont know about the update button, and wonder if the windows update reminder is a virus. I myself have only just learned about the joys/pains of system restore which may or may not have been turned on by the retailer. Many of the virus calls i get are solved with Ad-Aware or Sy-Bot Search Destroy. But it takes 2 hours to show them how to update windows and there virus checker database before i leave the house -- Michael Those who can, do; those who can't, teach. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Virus
Hello Heather/Femme, Thursday, September 11, 2003, 10:44:15 AM, you wrote: HF Have to agree with Anne. Till linux becomes more pervasive, ppl HF who can only turn the comp on nothing else (and most don't want HF to know more) won't use linux nor is it feasible for them to be HF using it. It might depend on what they do. If they're clueless and insist on messing with the computer, there will be problems for Win or linux. If they just surf, email, etc and either don't want to or are not allowed to mess with it, either might be fine. Win is probably not as satisfactory because of the viruses, spyware, etc - these tend to ask too many questions and need a slight amount of knowledge and maintenance. Not good for this crowd. HF For now, seeing seniors use linux or any segment of the population HF that is of the mindset a comp shold be like a toaster (it just HF works), is a pipe dream. Actually, The seniors I know are rather sharp and need less care than the younger crowd (excluding teen gamers, of course). Many have more time to learn than the two-jobs-to-keep-alive group. One even does computer security consulting on the side. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Virus
Hello robin, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 1:17:15 PM, you wrote: r There is also the factor that the average Linux sysadmin is a lot r more savvy than a point-and-click NT sysadmin. And both are almost infinitely more savvy than the new XP user, sitting on the net with no firewall, no AV program, M$ security defaults (wide open), opening that (supposedly) luscious porn pix he just got in an email, clicking on all those unbelievable offers from those kooky web sites, and... well, you get the idea. No wonder the net has problems. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Virus
Hello ed, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 6:45:13 AM, you wrote: et ahh NO! et http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ Sounds good. Is this going to be included in Mandrake? Killer system if it is. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Virus
Hello Russ, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 7:45:44 AM, you wrote: R I was having a discussion with an avid Mac user about viruses. He R claims there are no viruses for Macs because of the built in R security features (Mac is also a Unix based system like Linux). R The Mac OS does have a huge following so these script kiddies R could target them as well. They don't because they can't get in. R Windows vulnerability is what makes it the target, not it huge R user base (thats just icing on the cake). It is harder, but there's more to it. First, the base is important just for bragging rights [I got 35,000 zombies this week. How many did you get?]. It makes the numbers game much easier - for both the 14-year-olds-over-the-summer and the real crooks. Also easier in Win. There is much readily available code for the taking - well commented and easily changed to get a 'new' virus. Little talent required for the change, even though the original might have required quite a bit of knowledge. For many kids, it is just another kind of game, and it is made possible by the readily available virus 'kits'. MANY fewer kits for Mac/linux, plus the much smaller base = much less interest. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Virus - let's go over this again, shall we?u
Hello David, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 9:51:37 AM, you wrote: DEF So two morals -- don't use Outhouse, and don't put mailing list DEF email addresses in your contacts. If you don't use OE, then it might be OK to use a contact list. For example, TheBat email client uses its own list, in a different format, and in a different place - TheBat does NOT use any Win components. A virus looking for the Win address book will find it in the usual place, but it has nothing in it. :-) Make sure NO Win components get used, and you'll be much better off. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] Virus - let's go over this again, shall we?u
Hello ed, Sunday, September 7, 2003, 10:01:40 AM, you wrote: et you know, I would not want to be a manager for McAfee tho... et trying to 'work with M$' on a Corp. level must be a real nerve et racking experience. If you want to 'work with M$' on a Corp. level, you first need to turn around and bend over. It is not your nerves that will get racked. :-) -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] VIRUS... If it got you....
I also saw one at work (I do telephone tech support) 2 days ago: Boot to windows and you get a message that reads something like this: Kanga ANTI-Ko$oft says "Not Today" And you get no further. I have no idea how it's transmited, but thought the dual booters would like the info. Ty C. Mixon F.T.C. Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 26147713
