Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On 06/12/2010 07:15 AM, Chris McQuistion wrote: Joey, what's your last name, so I can put your name on the site, along with Andrew McElroy, as the presenters? Chris Buttinski here. Joey Jackson, aka Roadrash Howard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
Great! I'll get the site updated. Yeah, we'll have a projector and a laptop or two (and Google Docs for whatever slideshow format you prefer...) Chris On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:41 AM, JMJ wrote: > On 6/12/2010 8:15 AM, Chris McQuistion wrote: >> >> Joey, what's your last name, so I can put your name on the site, along >> with Andrew McElroy, as the presenters? > > Jackson > > BTW, I'm assuming that we'll be using a projector, screen, all the usual > presentation stuff, etc. so let me know if that's not the case. Oh yeah, > you WILL have Powerpoint, right? ;-) har har har > > JMJ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On 6/12/2010 8:15 AM, Chris McQuistion wrote: Joey, what's your last name, so I can put your name on the site, along with Andrew McElroy, as the presenters? Jackson BTW, I'm assuming that we'll be using a projector, screen, all the usual presentation stuff, etc. so let me know if that's not the case. Oh yeah, you WILL have Powerpoint, right? ;-) har har har JMJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
Joey, what's your last name, so I can put your name on the site, along with Andrew McElroy, as the presenters? Chris On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:58 PM, JMJ wrote: > On 6/10/2010 4:55 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote: >> >> So can I put on the website that we will have a presentation called >> "Linux 101: Getting Started with Linux" at 2 PM, by Joey and Andrew? > > OK... got the work-related rumors figured out. I'll be available on the > 26th, so count me in... assuming that Andrew and/or others are willing to > help create the content of the presentation. :-) > > JMJ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
Excellent! On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:58 PM, JMJ wrote: > On 6/10/2010 4:55 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote: >> >> So can I put on the website that we will have a presentation called >> "Linux 101: Getting Started with Linux" at 2 PM, by Joey and Andrew? > > OK... got the work-related rumors figured out. I'll be available on the > 26th, so count me in... assuming that Andrew and/or others are willing to > help create the content of the presentation. :-) > > JMJ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On 6/10/2010 4:55 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote: So can I put on the website that we will have a presentation called "Linux 101: Getting Started with Linux" at 2 PM, by Joey and Andrew? OK... got the work-related rumors figured out. I'll be available on the 26th, so count me in... assuming that Andrew and/or others are willing to help create the content of the presentation. :-) JMJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On 6/10/2010 4:55 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote: So can I put on the website that we will have a presentation called "Linux 101: Getting Started with Linux" at 2 PM, by Joey and Andrew? I'm hearing rumors that the 3 shows I'm currently booked to work might end up being more than that, so let me check with the office and make sure what's going on. I should have some info before Friday is over. JMJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: The continuing saga of GRUB2 (was Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed)
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:29:30 -0500, Howard White wrote: You missed the play by play, gk. GRUB2 was never the problem. Oh no, we've never had a problem with a computer not wanting to do the right thing. LOL Seriously though a Thinkpad having problems is kinda weird because if you look up Lenovo/IBM most of the people who run them do Debian predominately 95% plus or minus a few. I had a problem with my DVD burner when I first got my box. The region was not set properly at the factory or the way the installer worked it just didn't like my drive. I was fearing that I had one of those hardware locked down drives that needed special software. Regionset did the job and I was up and running. The only other issues I ever had were screen brightness which I had a little one liner bash job to adjust /proc for me and wifi. Debians set up gave me the most problems. When I switched over to ArchLinux practically same driver same kernel revision and greater I never had a lick of probs again. The only way I'm going to ever have a full size lappie again is if it is a LED display and all solid state. At this time us mere mortals can't fork out $3000 to get something kinda like that ... I stick with the Asus EEE and my tower. gk -- Remember, it's not that we have something to hide; it's that we have nothing to show. --Keep tunneling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
The continuing saga of GRUB2 (was Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed)
On 06/10/2010 05:35 PM, gk wrote: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide Honestly Grub2 is not that difficult. I had a stuck installation that all the files weren't generated properly and it really is an easy, easy fix. It took me 30secs with this. gk You missed the play by play, gk. GRUB2 was never the problem. First, I tried to install Windows XP Pro on my ThinkPad R60e but that installer would not go for love nor money. So then I installed Windows XP Pro on my ThinkPad T41, so far so good. Tried to do the Ubuntu 10.4 install to complete the dual boot config and _ga!_ Third try, installed Windows XP Pro on my ThinkPad R51 and then Ubunto 10.4, _ga!_ Then installed Ubuntu 9.10 (still GRUB2 but one beta version prior) and voila! WTF??!! For my next act, I want to put the Windows Vista disk that came with my ThinkPad R61i into the disk tray that replaces the DVD/CD and see if update-grub will allow me to configure a dual boot that way. By the time I goof around with that, I'm better off just swapping out hard drives as I normally do. Howard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 08:25:36PM -0500, gk wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:47:01 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: > > > >I personally could type those commands with ease, I just don't want to > >anymore. I'm sick of fixing Linux when it breaks. At what point do I > >get to quit having to be a Linux sys admin just to be a happy Linux > >user? Linux breaks? The only time I recall an issue where CentOS actually *broke* in the past few years was when a bad SELinux policy update was pushed from RH that stomped a specific postfix operation. Other than that my systems just keep on chugging. Now, to be completely fair... I don't run a classical Linux "desktop" environment: i.e. no X11 on any of my boxes. My Linux "desktop" consists of virtual consoles and screen sessions and I am perfectly content with it as such and my graphical stuff running on XP. 14 Linux physical and virtual machines and 3 XP desktops which includes a laptop - I can live with those numbers :) > the "geek squad" $300 to get your machine running. One of the MAJOR reasons > windows added the POWER shell is because so many technicians where > bitching about > not being able to fine tune a windows install with the GUI. They finally > listened. Then, to be perfectly frank, those same technicians needs to read up on what they are doing. Virtually every aspect of windows administrative tasks have been able to be completed from a cmd session since W2K, this includes being able to script everything. > Same holds true in Linux, and I've been around computers since the 80s. What holds true in Linux? I think I'm missing something here. > The other thing I've found is > that Linux is on more hardware everyday. People don't do their research on > compatability > with what they are running and get all frustrated at those stupid Linux > devs. How dare them. Indeed this is true. However the entitlement mentality of today dictates that someone expects everything to either just work or be no more than a driver disk away from working. And to be quite honest it really shouldn't be any more difficult than that. > Linux owes no one a thing, as does any person on this board. We do this > out of believing in > Freedom from IP/DRM, a sense of community. That is not entirely true. You are using "Linux" in the broadest sense possible and that's not accurate. There are commercial Linux offerings that do indeed owe their customers something and that's lifetime support over the lifetime of the release. > I am a perfectly happy Linux user. In fact it is much easier to install > Linux > on a desktop than it is a laptop. Now I know people are going to get their Yep, no argument there. And the biggest hurdle in this arena is wireless support. > shorts in a wad > with what I'll say next. I personally believe Canonical has done the > greatest > damage to Linux by trying to promote itself as the beginners mojo with a > flowery bed of > roses. Canonical is NOT a beginners distro, not even close. Ya they Canonical has indeed done a huge amount of damage, but not for the reasons you list. The damage is from Canonical being among the biggest bunch of leeches in existence. The number of patches they've dumped back to the kernel tree is astoundingly small in comparison with anyone else, including such as Novell/ SuSE who have always been fairly selfish in the grand scheme of things. There are, of course, other issues at play, but frankly their leechdom is at the top of the list. Of course, pushing a release out the door with the number of open and show-stopping bugs as Canonical does on a regular basis doesn't help. > "attracted" quite a few Debian devs > and started paying them. They hack around on what they freeze and release. > The only thing is SID and experimental are NOT complete distros in and of > themselves > they are pre-Alpha and Alpha software. Debian itself doesn't support you > if you use > those two repos. They tell you if you break it. You get to keep both > halves. So why > would I promote such applications as that to a newbee. I wouldn't. Debian != Ubuntu, no matter how closely related they may be. > Persaonlly if I have the time > and if I am in the local area and depending how I feel I could put Arch on > or Sabayon which I've never played with Sabayon but I've heard some good things about it. PCLinuxOS is another that might be useful for a new Linux user; not everything need be free. > is a VERY complete distro. I didn't have any hiccups for the few months I > used it on > my eee's. They actually discourage "compiling" and the use of the command > line. Thing
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Greg Donald wrote: > One of the keynotes today at RailsConf was @unclebobmartin explaining > how our software is not in any way keeping up with our hardware: > > http://en.oreilly.com/rails2010/public/schedule/detail/14134 > > It's so fucking true. Why are we still driving cars? Why aren't they > driving us? The hardware and mechanical engineering obviously works, but the software still sucks ass. > So cars last 80 years? If the software emulates the human brain, then the hardware should be like the human body. The hardware has the life expectancy of a dog. Don't expect much more from the software. -- Robert Wohlfarth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:55:04 -0500, Chris McQuistion wrote: The progression you mention is spot on: LiveCD, load linux on a spare beater computer (dual boot is a pretty advanced topic; just look at the fight I had last night before my presentation about GRUB2), boot from USB http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide Honestly Grub2 is not that difficult. I had a stuck installation that all the files weren't generated properly and it really is an easy, easy fix. It took me 30secs with this. Commands list This is a list of the commands executed in order, 1. sudo fdisk -l 2. sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt 3. sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev 4. sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc 5. sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys 6. sudo chroot /mnt 7. (optional, only if you're on Ubuntu/Debian) apt-get install grub-pc 8. grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg 9. grub-install /dev/sda (try grub-install --recheck /dev/sda if it fails) 10. Ctrl+D (to exit out of chroot) 11. sudo umount /mnt/dev 12. sudo umount /mnt gk -- Remember, it's not that we have something to hide; it's that we have nothing to show. --Keep tunneling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:47:01 -0500, Greg Donald wrote: It might be easy if you're a Linux enthusiast, sys admin, or the like. Personally I'm sick of dealing with stuff like you describe. I've been hearing Linux is going to become mainstream and easy for something like 13 years now. I've given up all hope. I'm using Win7 on my desktop at home and Mac OS X on my laptop. They work great, and I can deduct the cost from my taxes. I am still using Linux at work and on some headless file servers I have out in the garage, but I'm done fighting Linux on my desktop. I have been using Linux for about 7 years now and it has gotten much easier over time then it used to be. Not to mention I'm not behind the learning curve. Even if you run windows you have to sys admin your box. The geek squad will surely help empty you wallet quickly if you don't want to do it. I personally could type those commands with ease, I just don't want to anymore. I'm sick of fixing Linux when it breaks. At what point do I get to quit having to be a Linux sys admin just to be a happy Linux user? I run ArchLinux and very, very very, very infrequently do I have to fix something that breaks. Usually if something breaks it's PEBCAK. They don't really mess with the source from upstream unless there is some bug and they make sure it is both modular to keep with KISS and able to incorporate meta packages. Okay you don't want to type those commands. Are you going to pay the "geek squad" $300 to get your machine running. One of the MAJOR reasons windows added the POWER shell is because so many technicians where bitching about not being able to fine tune a windows install with the GUI. They finally listened. Same holds true in Linux, and I've been around computers since the 80s. The other thing I've found is that Linux is on more hardware everyday. People don't do their research on compatability with what they are running and get all frustrated at those stupid Linux devs. How dare them. Linux owes no one a thing, as does any person on this board. We do this out of believing in Freedom from IP/DRM, a sense of community. I am a perfectly happy Linux user. In fact it is much easier to install Linux on a desktop than it is a laptop. Now I know people are going to get their shorts in a wad with what I'll say next. I personally believe Canonical has done the greatest damage to Linux by trying to promote itself as the beginners mojo with a flowery bed of roses. Canonical is NOT a beginners distro, not even close. Ya they "attracted" quite a few Debian devs and started paying them. They hack around on what they freeze and release. The only thing is SID and experimental are NOT complete distros in and of themselves they are pre-Alpha and Alpha software. Debian itself doesn't support you if you use those two repos. They tell you if you break it. You get to keep both halves. So why would I promote such applications as that to a newbee. I wouldn't. Persaonlly if I have the time and if I am in the local area and depending how I feel I could put Arch on or Sabayon which is a VERY complete distro. I didn't have any hiccups for the few months I used it on my eee's. They actually discourage "compiling" and the use of the command line. Thing is everything works. I had one laptop with a Broadcom card that fired up right out of the box. The same thing happened with PuppyLinux 4.3.1. Another thing I find lacking is people haven't defined in their own minds what they really want to accomplish with their boxen. I'd say 90% want just an appliance, which all OS's are moving to hence the ARM architecture. I think with Google putting out their OS, HTML5 -- which Apple is in the lead with for production/research, old M$ is going to have to follow the crowd. With a cloud you never have to install an OS, a program or save your data locally. It's all out there in never never land. I won't go any further there. I remeber one guy who came to an installfest out west. He travelled extensively in South America, loved having Linux on his box. He wanted to upgrade. The distros we had availabe we went through every one of them and had major issues that just can't be solved in a few hours time and leave the facilited a promised. His "sweet" spot was a version that at the time was 2 years old. But everything on his box ran with no issues, It zipped along. My suggestion to him was if it's not broke don't fix it. You don't have to upgrade to every new this and that. I know ppl that install millions of dollares of hardware and software for a myriad of companies all around the world. Basically unless there is a serious threat or have to have some new feature DON'T update/grade your OS and apps. They get more people that have once again tested the compatibility of their new toy with the toys they have in their box already. gk -- Remember, it's not that we have something to hide; it's that w
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:35 PM, gk wrote: > Honestly Grub2 is not that difficult. I had a stuck installation that all > the files weren't generated properly and it really is an easy, easy fix. It > took me 30secs with this. It might be easy if you're a Linux enthusiast, sys admin, or the like. Personally I'm sick of dealing with stuff like you describe. I've been hearing Linux is going to become mainstream and easy for something like 13 years now. I've given up all hope. I'm using Win7 on my desktop at home and Mac OS X on my laptop. They work great, and I can deduct the cost from my taxes. I am still using Linux at work and on some headless file servers I have out in the garage, but I'm done fighting Linux on my desktop. I personally could type those commands with ease, I just don't want to anymore. I'm sick of fixing Linux when it breaks. At what point do I get to quit having to be a Linux sys admin just to be a happy Linux user? One of the keynotes today at RailsConf was @unclebobmartin explaining how our software is not in any way keeping up with our hardware: http://en.oreilly.com/rails2010/public/schedule/detail/14134 It's so fucking true. Why are we still driving cars? Why aren't they driving us? The hardware and mechanical engineering obviously works, but the software still sucks ass. Why does Linux still suck? How is it possible users are still left with un-bootable systems? Why must I suffer broken sound input just because I chose to upgrade to a .04 version? I did my anti- early adopter due diligence, I avoided the .0 version. WTF? I know, I know.. here's the part where someone tells me to fix it myself, it is open source software after all. But if minds much, much smarter than mine can't do it.. well, all I can think is we're screwed. > Commands list > > This is a list of the commands executed in order, > > 1. > sudo fdisk -l > 2. > sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt > 3. > sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev > 4. > sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc > 5. > sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys > 6. > sudo chroot /mnt > 7. > (optional, only if you're on Ubuntu/Debian) apt-get install grub-pc > 8. > grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg > 9. > grub-install /dev/sda (try grub-install --recheck /dev/sda if it fails) > 10. > Ctrl+D (to exit out of chroot) > 11. > sudo umount /mnt/dev > 12. > sudo umount /mnt -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:55:04 -0500, Chris McQuistion wrote: The progression you mention is spot on: LiveCD, load linux on a spare beater computer (dual boot is a pretty advanced topic; just look at the fight I had last night before my presentation about GRUB2), boot from USB http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide Honestly Grub2 is not that difficult. I had a stuck installation that all the files weren't generated properly and it really is an easy, easy fix. It took me 30secs with this. Commands list This is a list of the commands executed in order, 1. sudo fdisk -l 2. sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt 3. sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev 4. sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc 5. sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys 6. sudo chroot /mnt 7. (optional, only if you're on Ubuntu/Debian) apt-get install grub-pc 8. grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg 9. grub-install /dev/sda (try grub-install --recheck /dev/sda if it fails) 10. Ctrl+D (to exit out of chroot) 11. sudo umount /mnt/dev 12. sudo umount /mnt gk -- Remember, it's not that we have something to hide; it's that we have nothing to show. --Keep tunneling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
So can I put on the website that we will have a presentation called "Linux 101: Getting Started with Linux" at 2 PM, by Joey and Andrew? Chris On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Howard White wrote: > On 06/09/2010 04:41 PM, JMJ wrote: >> >> On 06/09/2010 04:13 PM, andrew mcelroy wrote: >> >> > I wouldn't mind collaborating with someone on a bash 101 or >> > linux 101 workshop/interactive presentation. >> >> Depending on what you have in mind for "Linux 101" I might be able to >> help. My first interpretation of "getting started with Linux" was to >> answer the question "How do I check out this Linux software I've been >> hearing/reading about?" >> >> My thought was to describe how to find Linux (online sources, describe >> different distros), try it out (live CD's, dual-booting, etc.), and how >> to get help (e-mail lists & etiquette, asking good questions, etc.) > > < major [OT] snippage > > >> JMJ >> > > Joey, you are perfect for the Linux 101 topic and presentation! Specifically > at the meeting last night, we reviewed the wide spectrum of participants. > One of our newer members is further past newbie than he realizes but would > appreciate some more coaching on the "getting started" and "getting to know" > linux topics. > > Fair warning, I plan to be out of town June 26, the day of the LinuxFest. > Had I not been otherwise engaged, I also would have been very happy to > participate in said presentation. Try to recruit a tag team. > > The progression you mention is spot on: LiveCD, load linux on a spare > beater computer (dual boot is a pretty advanced topic; just look at the > fight I had last night before my presentation about GRUB2), boot from USB > stick. You might spend a few minutes on distributions (look at > DistroWatch.com), a few minutes on window managers (gnome, kde, xfce, > enlightenment). Show and discuss gparted and partitions (note to self: > partitions are a topic for a meeting presentation). Pick out three > important commands and work through looking at the man pages to discuss how > arguments are added to commands. Try to show as much in the graphical > window manager and then compare to CLI. > > Just that will fill half a day :) > > I'll try to dig out my O'Reilly linux handbooks as suggested readings on > getting more comfortable with linux commands and CLI. > > Note to the new members: don't worry about collecting style points! All of > us hacked and whacked a long time to get the hang of linux; most of us (your > humble scribe in particular) have never stopped whacking. Remember - > experience is knowing how to make the same mistake, differently. > > Howard > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 16:41 -0500, JMJ wrote: > On 06/09/2010 04:13 PM, andrew mcelroy wrote: > > > I wouldn't mind collaborating with someone on a bash 101 or > > linux 101 workshop/interactive presentation. > > Depending on what you have in mind for "Linux 101" I might be able to > help. My first interpretation of "getting started with Linux" was to > answer the question "How do I check out this Linux software I've been > hearing/reading about?" > > My thought was to describe how to find Linux (online sources, describe > different distros), try it out (live CD's, dual-booting, etc.), and how > to get help (e-mail lists & etiquette, asking good questions, etc.) I would think that this could be followed by a Linux "102" along the lines of "I used to do it this way in Windows, how do I do it in Linux?" Jim Peterson Technology Coordinator Goodnight Memorial Library 203 S. Main St. Franklin, KY 42134 (270) 586-8397 www.gmpl.org Tweet me @GMLGeek Library Technology Blog I'm on Facebook, too! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On 06/09/2010 04:41 PM, JMJ wrote: On 06/09/2010 04:13 PM, andrew mcelroy wrote: > I wouldn't mind collaborating with someone on a bash 101 or > linux 101 workshop/interactive presentation. Depending on what you have in mind for "Linux 101" I might be able to help. My first interpretation of "getting started with Linux" was to answer the question "How do I check out this Linux software I've been hearing/reading about?" My thought was to describe how to find Linux (online sources, describe different distros), try it out (live CD's, dual-booting, etc.), and how to get help (e-mail lists & etiquette, asking good questions, etc.) < major [OT] snippage > JMJ Joey, you are perfect for the Linux 101 topic and presentation! Specifically at the meeting last night, we reviewed the wide spectrum of participants. One of our newer members is further past newbie than he realizes but would appreciate some more coaching on the "getting started" and "getting to know" linux topics. Fair warning, I plan to be out of town June 26, the day of the LinuxFest. Had I not been otherwise engaged, I also would have been very happy to participate in said presentation. Try to recruit a tag team. The progression you mention is spot on: LiveCD, load linux on a spare beater computer (dual boot is a pretty advanced topic; just look at the fight I had last night before my presentation about GRUB2), boot from USB stick. You might spend a few minutes on distributions (look at DistroWatch.com), a few minutes on window managers (gnome, kde, xfce, enlightenment). Show and discuss gparted and partitions (note to self: partitions are a topic for a meeting presentation). Pick out three important commands and work through looking at the man pages to discuss how arguments are added to commands. Try to show as much in the graphical window manager and then compare to CLI. Just that will fill half a day :) I'll try to dig out my O'Reilly linux handbooks as suggested readings on getting more comfortable with linux commands and CLI. Note to the new members: don't worry about collecting style points! All of us hacked and whacked a long time to get the hang of linux; most of us (your humble scribe in particular) have never stopped whacking. Remember - experience is knowing how to make the same mistake, differently. Howard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On 06/09/2010 04:13 PM, andrew mcelroy wrote: > I wouldn't mind collaborating with someone on a bash 101 or > linux 101 workshop/interactive presentation. Depending on what you have in mind for "Linux 101" I might be able to help. My first interpretation of "getting started with Linux" was to answer the question "How do I check out this Linux software I've been hearing/reading about?" My thought was to describe how to find Linux (online sources, describe different distros), try it out (live CD's, dual-booting, etc.), and how to get help (e-mail lists & etiquette, asking good questions, etc.) How about how to top post in a conversation string? I don't know how to do that... I'm exclusively an "in-liner." LOL > *ducks* Are you referring to "Mandrake"? ;-) JMJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM, JMJ wrote: > On 06/09/2010 11:58 AM, Chris McQuistion wrote: > >> Would anyone be interested in making a presentation at the Linux Fest >> (on June 26) about one of the following topics (or any other topic >> you're interested in)? >> > > I'm always willing to do presentations, I'm just a little short on the > technical knowledge required for most topics. If someone wants to train me > on a specific topic, I'd be happy to make the presentation. Just consider > me a "mercenary presenter." :-) > > I am already doing a presentation on appcelerator. That said, I wouldn't mind collaborating with someone on a bash 101 or linux 101 workshop/ interactive presentation. > I might be able to handle something like "getting started with Linux," and > might have some time in the next few days to ponder it. What would be the > basic material to be covered? > How about how to top post in a conversation string? *ducks* Andrew McElroy > > JMJ > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
On 06/09/2010 11:58 AM, Chris McQuistion wrote: Would anyone be interested in making a presentation at the Linux Fest (on June 26) about one of the following topics (or any other topic you're interested in)? I'm always willing to do presentations, I'm just a little short on the technical knowledge required for most topics. If someone wants to train me on a specific topic, I'd be happy to make the presentation. Just consider me a "mercenary presenter." :-) I might be able to handle something like "getting started with Linux," and might have some time in the next few days to ponder it. What would be the basic material to be covered? JMJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
I would just love to be at an installfest, but the buses in that area do NOT run on the wkends at all. That area is mostly govt buildings that are utilized during the week so there must not be enough traffic. gk On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:58:22 -0500, Chris McQuistion wrote: Would anyone be interested in making a presentation at the Linux Fest (on June 26) about one of the following topics (or any other topic you're interested in)? - Getting Started with Linux (or something along those lines for beginners) - Using ndiswrapper to fix wireless problems (or other common wireless fixes) If we can get a couple presentation volunteers, then we can get the poster finalized and sent out to the list, so it can be posted and passed around. (I've already contacted the Tennessean about posting a notice about the Linux Fest, by the way.) So far, Andrew McElroy has volunteered to do a presentation on Appcelerator at 11 AM (more details at www.nlug.org) and I've volunteered to do a "Using Dirvish for local and remote backups" presentation at 1 PM. Thanks, Chris -- Remember, it's not that we have something to hide; it's that we have nothing to show. --Keep tunneling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
[nlug] Presentation volunteers for Linux Fest needed
Would anyone be interested in making a presentation at the Linux Fest (on June 26) about one of the following topics (or any other topic you're interested in)? - Getting Started with Linux (or something along those lines for beginners) - Using ndiswrapper to fix wireless problems (or other common wireless fixes) If we can get a couple presentation volunteers, then we can get the poster finalized and sent out to the list, so it can be posted and passed around. (I've already contacted the Tennessean about posting a notice about the Linux Fest, by the way.) So far, Andrew McElroy has volunteered to do a presentation on Appcelerator at 11 AM (more details at www.nlug.org) and I've volunteered to do a "Using Dirvish for local and remote backups" presentation at 1 PM. Thanks, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
