[NSP] Re: smallpipes
The link doesn't work correctly but you can cut and paste the URL to see it.
Ian Lawther wrote:
Adrian wrote:
What are the Northumberland bagpipes;what are they?
They are something extremely raremust be true - it says so here
http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isg&mediauid={8A307924-903A-4ECE-ABF4-5C68EBAD5E6E}
Ian
To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
Adrian wrote:
What are the Northumberland bagpipes;what are they?
They are something extremely raremust be true - it says so here
http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isg&mediauid={8A307924-903A-4ECE-ABF4-5C68EBAD5E6E}
Ian
To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] smallpipes
I have read and contbulalated-(is this a word?) Irish.English and Scotttish.What are the Northumberland bagpipes;what are they? Are they distinct from other bagpipes? Yes, the chanter the end is blocked up. Adian -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: F.a.o. Francis & others
Hello Francis I think, bonny lad, you need to see a bit of Armstrong and Miller! And here's me thinking I was being cool and modern. I have to say, however, I did think there was a tinge of poisoning the wells in some of your postings. As for members of the committee - I don't doubt their skills of administration or their integrity. What seems to be in doubt is their knowledge of the feelings of the full spectrum of Society members and their naivety in voting to exclude members from any say in this matter in the full knowledge that the members will be called upon to ratify their decision. It seems obvious to me that if the ratification process has to take place, a vote for steps to exclude those members is questionable. I'm asking the questions and so far have only received partial answers. I am well aware of Colin's abrasive nature and have disagreed with him over details of the repertoire and other issues, but he is a rare beast in that he understands that we are dealing with a fundamentally oral tradition here. A tradition that needs to be learnt through 90% listening and 10% playing. If the dots are used they need to be informed by true insight into the nuances displayed within the spectrum of traditional players. It seems that this approach is not fully appreciated by all in authority in our Society and that worries quite a few of us. As aye Anthony --- On Tue, 26/5/09, Francis Wood wrote: From: Francis Wood Subject: Re: [NSP] F.a.o. Francis & others To: "Anthony Robb" Cc: "Dartmouth NPS" Date: Tuesday, 26 May, 2009, 7:54 PM On 26 May 2009, at 16:53, Anthony Robb wrote: > Mmmma| rather harsh Francis. Hello Anthony, I'm not sure I've really tried 'harsh' . . . 'Robust' might do quite well. I'd add 'fair'. We'll probably not agree on that one. Francis P. S. I'll leave it to anyone else to respond point by point to Anthony's mail if they have a mind to do so. I'd advise adherence to known facts, awareness that the issue is not only painful but complex, some regard for the integrity of those people who have already posted thoughtfully and carefully on this subject and above all, due consideration for the welfare of the person this is really all about. May I also reiterate my confidence in the NPS Committee and their decision. I base this on my knowledge of the people serving on the Committee and my admiration of their integrity and administrative abilities. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Pipes programme
Thanks for this, Francis - it's interesting. I think there's internal evidence to date the programme fairly specifically. The commentator says that the new bagpipe museum at The Chantry opened "last year". If The Chantry museum celebrated its 21st anniversary last year (2008) then the programme must have been made twenty years before that, which suggests 1988. Just for interest, one of the artifacts rescued by Anne Moore and her helpers from the floods last year was a photo of Jack Armstrong taken while he was in Hollywood, presumably on the trip during which he made the recording with Burl Ives. Richard >- Original Message - >From: "Francis Wood" >To: "pipers list" >Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:21 PM >Subject: [NSP] Pipes programme > > >> >> Whilst sorting out some cassettes, I came across this BBC programme about >> NSP, broadcast about 20 years ago, I think. >> I can't claim it is of huge interest but it does include the curiosity of >> a song with Burl Ives accompanied by Jack Armstrong, recorded in >> Hollywood, a peculiar bit of NSP history. The intervening decades have >> made have made our pipes far more publically familiar than when this item >> was recorded: >> >> http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=09ff1cf99500a89441446e35a78dc463e04e75f6e8ebb871 >> >> Francis >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > > > > Get paid to recycle old mobile phones - www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle
[NSP] Re: What oil to use?
Please may I suggest that whatever form the Great Reformed NPS takes, it should be inclusive rather than exclusive? The traditional ways of playing are necessarily vital. They have informed the instrument and the music, and they only survived because they are very good music; but there are people who play in various different ways, some of which are very attractive to many. It's mainly an amateur tradition. Music is kept alive only by its players, and they have to like what they're playing, otherwise they won't play it. Amateur - literally, in the best sense of the word: because we love it. If the society admits only a One True Way, I feel the tendency of the others will be to be aggrieved and simply write the Society off as stick-in-the-mud. These may include very good creative musicians. As Philip Gruar wisely said, it would be like the various forms of some churches fragmenting into ever tinier mutually exclusive groups, which is ultimately not good for the health of the whole faith, nor attractive to the rest of the onlooking world. If on t'other hand all creeds are admitted, the One True Way is accessible and promotable to a greater number of people, played by welcoming people who make it attractive, rather than grumpy and exclusive: it then stands much more chance of surviving. Presumably we do want people to want to join, in order to have future carriers of the instrument and its tradition. It may take some people a long time to come to the One True Way, and they may need to work through other stuff first to get there, (perhaps, shock horror, even a few choytes and slides), but at least they still may feel it's their society, including the players of the proper traditional music, rather than that miserable old lot who didn't want them, so bother their music too. Hopefully it's less inflammable, Francis, but it won't cure squeaks! Best wishes, Richard P.S. I meant to send this much earlier, sent it straight to Francis instead - sorry! Francis Wood wrote: Can anybody suggest a suitable oil to pour on these troubled waters? Ideally, it should be capable of spreading evenly and fairly as well as making the tone of everything seem much brighter. Should lubricate roughened areas. Capable of curing squeaks as well as growls, howls and other distressing noises. Must be totally non-imflammable. Non-oxidising would be nice too. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Pipes programme
Thank you. I found that a really good listen. Why can't we have stuff like this on the radio now? Shame you didn't get the AA stuff from Pebble Mill as well. :) Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Francis Wood" To: "pipers list" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [NSP] Pipes programme Whilst sorting out some cassettes, I came across this BBC programme about NSP, broadcast about 20 years ago, I think. I can't claim it is of huge interest but it does include the curiosity of a song with Burl Ives accompanied by Jack Armstrong, recorded in Hollywood, a peculiar bit of NSP history. The intervening decades have made have made our pipes far more publically familiar than when this item was recorded: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=09ff1cf99500a89441446e35a78dc463e04e75f6e8ebb871 Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: What oil to use?
Religious analogies work quite well here. Are you perhaps leading us subtly towards the contemplation of the Holy Trinity and the realisation that 3-IN-ONE oil is what is really called for? Fun apart, you say wise words. A broad church is a stable one and it needs to be inclusive. I really enjoyed Philip's reminder about the fragmentation of organisations. Perhaps it's labouring the religious point, but I think the Old Testament stuff . . . the strict earlier style needs to be heard and promoted too, as well as whatever has developed later. . . . but I've said Far Too Much on this list already today! Thanks for a nice post, Richard. Francis On 26 May 2009, at 13:22, Richard York wrote: Please may I suggest that whatever form the Great Reformed NPS takes, it should be inclusive rather than exclusive? The traditional ways of playing are necessarily vital. They have informed the instrument and the music, and they only survived because they are very good music; but there are people who play in various different ways, some of which are very attractive to many. It's mainly an amateur tradition. Music is kept alive only by its players, and they have to like what they're playing, otherwise they won't play it. Amateur - literally, in the best sense of the word: because we love it. If the society admits only a One True Way, I feel the tendency of the others will be to be aggrieved and simply write the Society off as stick-in-the-mud. These may include very good creative musicians. As Philip Gruar wisely said, it would be like the various forms of some churches fragmenting into ever tinier mutually exclusive groups, which is ultimately not good for the health of the whole faith, nor attractive to the rest of the onlooking world. If on t'other hand all creeds are admitted, the One True Way is accessible and promotable to a greater number of people, played by welcoming people who make it attractive, rather than grumpy and exclusive: it then stands much more chance of surviving. Presumably we do want people to want to join, in order to have future carriers of the instrument and its tradition. It may take some people a long time to come to the One True Way, and they may need to work through other stuff first to get there, (perhaps, shock horror, even a few choytes and slides), but at least they still may feel it's their society, including the players of the proper traditional music, rather than that miserable old lot who didn't want them, so bother their music too. Hopefully it's less inflammable, Francis, but it won't cure squeaks! Best wishes, Richard Francis Wood wrote: Can anybody suggest a suitable oil to pour on these troubled waters? Ideally, it should be capable of spreading evenly and fairly as well as making the tone of everything seem much brighter. Should lubricate roughened areas. Capable of curing squeaks as well as growls, howls and other distressing noises. Must be totally non- imflammable. Non-oxidising would be nice too. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: F.a.o. Francis & others
On 26 May 2009, at 16:53, Anthony Robb wrote: Mmmma| rather harsh Francis. Hello Anthony, I'm not sure I've really tried 'harsh' . . . 'Robust' might do quite well. I'd add 'fair'. We'll probably not agree on that one. Francis P. S. I'll leave it to anyone else to respond point by point to Anthony's mail if they have a mind to do so. I'd advise adherence to known facts, awareness that the issue is not only painful but complex, some regard for the integrity of those people who have already posted thoughtfully and carefully on this subject and above all, due consideration for the welfare of the person this is really all about. May I also reiterate my confidence in the NPS Committee and their decision. I base this on my knowledge of the people serving on the Committee and my admiration of their integrity and administrative abilities. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: What oil to use?
Large doses of castor oil, taken internally, might help. - Original Message - From: "Francis Wood" To: "pipers list" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:50 AM Subject: [NSP] What oil to use? Can anybody suggest a suitable oil to pour on these troubled waters? Ideally, it should be capable of spreading evenly and fairly as well as making the tone of everything seem much brighter. Should lubricate roughened areas. Capable of curing squeaks as well as growls, howls and other distressing noises. Must be totally non-imflammable. Non-oxidising would be nice too. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] F.a.o. Francis & others
Mmmma| rather harsh Francis. Anyone could be forgiven for thinking I'd been going around saying nasty things about the committee and persuading people to sign a petition to oust them. For those interested in the facts: AS: When the news reached me that Joyce Quin (single n is correct btw) had been approached re the presidency of the Society I wondered what on earth was going on. Over thirty years in the Royal Society of Chemistry has inured me to the idea that a president of an organisation is an expert in the field chosen from that organisation. This seems an eminently reasonable and sensible state of affairs. Joyce Quin sounds a wonderful woman and had the committee in its wisdom proposed her as a patron they would have received my hearty congratulations and admiration for a brilliant stroke in redressing a political bias on the patron front. As a president a I'm sorry but for me she is lacking the real expertise we need. AS: My misgivings were amplified when I discovered that the committee voted against asking ordinary members in the March Newsletter for their ideas for nominations for the position. AS: I then wondered why Colin Ross had not been persuaded to stand down from the chairmanship and take on the role for which he is eminently suitable. AS: When I voiced these views and asked like-minded members of the Society to contact me I received over 20 emails from supporters voicing their concerns and passing on names of like-minded individuals. This gave me a list of over 30 possible supporters AS: I then approached Colin to get his take on matters and it was clear to me that there are certain factions who would like to see him have nothing to do with the Society. He naturally found this extremely hurtful and after that conversation I wondered what could be done. AS: I then approached Julia Say about the procedure for calling an EGM to examine the committee's decision and she dutifully supplied me with the correct procedure. AS: Then back to the list of possible supporters who were given various wordings of a motion (I'd already rejected the vote of no confidence in the committee idea as too confrontational, divisive and drastic) and after various ideas settled on the wording now made public AS: Far from taking time to plot and spread dissatisfaction I spent time checking and double checking the list of people who wished to sign the letter asking for an EGM. This process continues but is being done methodically and carefully. If such a meeting is called it will be done with due protocol and respect. AS: Believe it or not I don't want to spread division in the committee or Society. I am aggrieved that a suggestion to involve ordinary members in the selection process was turned down by the committee. It was also clear to me that many others felt the same way and any split in the Society had already taken place. My hope was to talk and sort things out. AS: Far from subversion as one posting suggested, I'm about openness and full discussion. If to ask for this in an open and forthright manner really is subversion then perhaps I am guilty as charged. As aye Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Pipes programme
Whilst sorting out some cassettes, I came across this BBC programme about NSP, broadcast about 20 years ago, I think. I can't claim it is of huge interest but it does include the curiosity of a song with Burl Ives accompanied by Jack Armstrong, recorded in Hollywood, a peculiar bit of NSP history. The intervening decades have made have made our pipes far more publically familiar than when this item was recorded: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=09ff1cf99500a89441446e35a78dc463e04e75f6e8ebb871 Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: What oil to use?
I don't use oil. I like it dry; no seeping of moisture where it can travel down the bore and spread it's oily film of corruption and interfere with other parts, where it can't get on to ones tight detatched fingers, making them slack and letting the chanter slip away from beneath. Adrian To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: What oil to use?
On 26 May 2009, at 12:17, Paul Gretton wrote: Francis Wood, he say: "I'd like to teach the world to sing, In perfect harmony. I'd rather it spent some time learning proper closed fingering. And hear them echo through the hills . . . As long as it's not 'Rothbury Hills', which is far from being my favourite. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: What oil to use?
Confucius, he say: "Flee argument; seek peace, quiet, harmony." Rodney King, he say: "People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?" NSP Committee, they say: "Come all without, come all within, You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quin." Francis Wood, he say: "I'd like to teach the world to sing, In perfect harmony. I'd like to hold it in my arms and keep it company. I'd like to see the world for once All standing hand in hand And hear them echo through the hills 'Ah, peace throughout the land.'" And then comes that bugger Hegel and says: "FIRST the dialectic, folks, and ONLY THEN the synthesis! (baby)" Cheers, Paul "Mr Nasty" Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: 26 May 2009 07:50 To: pipers list Subject: [NSP] What oil to use? Can anybody suggest a suitable oil to pour on these troubled waters? Ideally, it should be capable of spreading evenly and fairly as well as making the tone of everything seem much brighter. Should lubricate roughened areas. Capable of curing squeaks as well as growls, howls and other distressing noises. Must be totally non-imflammable. Non-oxidising would be nice too. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] re chiefs and Indians
Having followed with interest the current debate regarding Colin's stepping down from his position of chairman, I join with many to salute him for all that he has achieved for Northumbrian piping in general, pipe-making and the N.S.P. Soc. I also think that the wide ranging response of those who have added their contributions show a healthy liveliness in matters piping that denote well for the future of the society. How awful if these matters fell on apathetic ears! However, in all things, a balance is needed if lively debate is not to turn into a grinding of a personal agenda mill. With this in mind, I would like to add my thanks for all the hard work done by our committee and the reasoned and balanced approach of our hon. sec. in dealing with all the disparate views which have been put forward with regard to a choice of successor and the direction we see our society heading. Peter Dunn -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: What oil to use?
Wail oil might be appropriate. Dave Dave Shaw, Northumbrian and Scottish Smallpipes, Irish Pipes and SHAW Whistles www.daveshaw.co.uk - Original Message - From: "Francis Wood" To: "pipers list" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:50 AM Subject: [NSP] What oil to use? Can anybody suggest a suitable oil to pour on these troubled waters? Ideally, it should be capable of spreading evenly and fairly as well as making the tone of everything seem much brighter. Should lubricate roughened areas. Capable of curing squeaks as well as growls, howls and other distressing noises. Must be totally non-imflammable. Non-oxidising would be nice too. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00
[NSP] Re: What oil to use?
Praps some would prefer oil of vitriol. Just kidding. >-Original Message- >From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu >[mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood >Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:50 AM >To: pipers list >Subject: [NSP] What oil to use? > >Can anybody suggest a suitable oil to pour on these troubled waters? >Ideally, it should be capable of spreading evenly and fairly as well >as making the tone of everything seem much brighter. Should lubricate >roughened areas. Capable of curing squeaks as well as growls, howls >and other distressing noises. Must be totally non-imflammable. > >Non-oxidising would be nice too. > >Francis > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[NSP] Back
Hello Folks You may well have gathered that I've been "gallivantin' aboot" over the Bank Holiday. One part of this was playing in th Merchant Adverturers Hall in York - well worth a visit if you are in the area! I've returened to find 45 new emails in my piping box and 15 in my official box (University, TSG, St Mary's etc.). Once I've worked my way through the official mail I'll do my best to get through the others. In the meantime, thank you for your patience and goodwill. Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: what oil to use
H ... Neatsfoot oil wouldn't do, then: it tends to get a bit crusty with age Not to say, crotchety Roger -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: What oil to use?
Francis -- how about neck oil for the many and gunpowder lapsong for the few Dave Francis Wood wrote: Can anybody suggest a suitable oil to pour on these troubled waters? Ideally, it should be capable of spreading evenly and fairly as well as making the tone of everything seem much brighter. Should lubricate roughened areas. Capable of curing squeaks as well as growls, howls and other distressing noises. Must be totally non-imflammable. Non-oxidising would be nice too. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.39/2134 - Release Date: 05/25/09 18:14:00
