[NSP] Re: Composing location
I'm impressed that you find you can write decent tunes in your sleep, Valerio - I recently woke up from a dream with a world-beatingly fantastic tune in it, and to my glee found I could still remember part of it. Then as the layers of sleep peeled away I was mortified to realise I'd just re-hashed "I did it my way"... I don't even particularly like the song! Best wishes, Richard. Valerio M. Pelliccioni wrote: Richard, in my experience, every place is a good place for a new melody to come up. BTW the worst place (and the most frequent) is the bed during the REM phase... I have to immediately stand up and write down the melody otherwise, the day afte r, I'll forget it. Valerio - Original Message - From: [1]rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk To: [2]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Data: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:16:35 +0100 Subject: [NSP] Composing location On holiday I set myself the task of writing a tune a day whether it was rubbish or not, just to make me start writing again. We were camping in stunning Pembroke coastal scenery... but the most inspiring place to think of tunes, I found, was the shower; the only problem being the risk of 50p running out & the water stopping abruptly, so the ablutions had to happen first and fast! Where does anyone else find is a good place to invent tunes? Yours in hopefully non-contentious cheer, Richard. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk 2. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: C D or G
Well said Daphne, I think you explained it very well. I have a C chanter that I sing with, a D set that I just plain enjoy, an F set that I play most and a G set that I play when needs must and other instruments drown me out, but at least I joined in! Cheers Helen PS I went on the Whitley Bay course last year and loved every moment. It was BRILLIANT and well worth travelling to. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Composing location
The bath, definately the bath Helen - Original Message - From: "Richard York" To: "NSP group" Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:16 AM Subject: [NSP] Composing location On holiday I set myself the task of writing a tune a day whether it was rubbish or not, just to make me start writing again. We were camping in stunning Pembroke coastal scenery... but the most inspiring place to think of tunes, I found, was the shower; the only problem being the risk of 50p running out & the water stopping abruptly, so the ablutions had to happen first and fast! Where does anyone else find is a good place to invent tunes? Yours in hopefully non-contentious cheer, Richard. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] Lists and Wrists
Hello Richard and others, I mostly agree. There's been a lot of communication on these lists which has been embarrassing, tedious and even poignant without doing anything to serve the interests of the instrument, the repertoire and the enthusiasts who keep the whole thing alive. No doubt the same kind of thing was going on very many years ago with letters and newsletters. The whole slow business of assembling writing materials and a stamp, as well as a trip to the post office has been replaced by the 'send' button. Perhaps not such a good thing. The negative aspects of all this are painfully apparent. There are gains, too. There have been concerns about the NPS which any sensible individual might have hesitated to state in public. From a Transaltantic perspective, these may have seemed either puzzling or irrelevant and certainly annoying. However, they have been painful for some of those who have served the NPS whether as Committee members or active members. Some of those feelings are becoming very visible and I think that's not unhealthy; it will pass, anyway. A while ago, there was a lot of contentious discussion about some of the decisions of the NPS Committee. Many specially-tipped emails were flying fast and free. What more recent exchanges is making blazingly obvious is exactly why certain choices were made, or not made. For distant enquiring members, that's probably a good thing. Incidentally, enthusiast societies typically undergo these upheavals and the goings-on in the NPS are mild in comparison with some other organisations. There's been a certain amount of pulling down of public statues and a certain amount of public whooping. Perhaps it's not very edifying but it won't go on much longer. Why do the best among us have to continually fight each other? It certainly seems like that sometimes. But I don't think that's the reality. There are areas of profound disagreement about style but they are localised, permanent and remain within their usual boundaries. Other far more injurious things have been said about honorary members ( a player, a pipe-maker, and a course-organiser) have been said but none of them have responded on these lists. No fight there. I still recommend the archives and may even take my own advice. They are a useful reminder that anything said hastily and maybe regrettably has a permanence. No doubt it will provide extremely useful material for some distantly future PhD. By then, we will have all stopped getting excited about this stuff. Francis On 13 Aug 2009, at 01:26, Richard Shuttleworth wrote: What you write is perfectly true Francis but living as I do in Canada near the US border I hear comments from my North American friends who are beginning to look upon the NPS and some of its more prominent members as total misfits (to be polite about it). They neither know nor care about the machinations of politics and personal grudges within the NPS but are deeply interested in playing the Northumbrian small pipes. Viewed from this distance, we are a small band of players. Why do the best among us have to continually fight each other? I really feel that there are some eminent members of the NPS who are doing the rank and file a great disservice by arguing in public. A discussion group has been created for the purpose of airing more contentious issues and we should be careful where we post our views. Personally, I belong to both groups and derive great amusement from some of the more childish posts on the discussion group but then I have an odd sense of humour. I imagine that newer participants in the Dartmouth group have a very different reaction to some of he more recent postings. Richard Francis wrote: There are some puzzling misconceptions about how lists operate. The facts are simple: when you subscribe to a list you receive _all_ the postings. The rough with the smooth. As simple as that. There are two parallel lists of interest to Northumbrian pipers, many of whom are members of the NPS. They have purposes which at first sight seem distinct but in ordinary usage are not easily separable. We can try but there will inevitably be spillage between the two because some issues are shared. These vehement discussions will come and go as they always have done. Sometimes there will be quiet periods and at others there will be word- wars. They are not life threatening, though when they become livelihood-threatening, that's a fairly serious matter. For the most part, though, disagreements happen because people care about the music and the freedoms to play as they choose. Some topics will recur and occasionally a new insight will emerge. It can't all be interesting all of the time. For those people who find this manner of interaction either tedious or distasteful or both, there is a practical alternative and that is to follow
[NSP] Re: Composing location
Don't get the reed wet Helen :-) My favourite place (either there or just thinking about it) is a cliff path called "The Warren" outside of Polperro in Cornwall. Slow airs and waltzes mainly as it's so peaceful. Narrow path, gorse bushes and the sea. Perfect for the music to come. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Helen Capes" To: "Richard York" ; "NSP group" Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Composing location The bath, definately the bath Helen - Original Message - From: "Richard York" To: "NSP group" Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:16 AM Subject: [NSP] Composing location On holiday I set myself the task of writing a tune a day whether it was rubbish or not, just to make me start writing again. We were camping in stunning Pembroke coastal scenery... but the most inspiring place to think of tunes, I found, was the shower; the only problem being the risk of 50p running out & the water stopping abruptly, so the ablutions had to happen first and fast! Where does anyone else find is a good place to invent tunes? Yours in hopefully non-contentious cheer, Richard. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Composing location
On 13 Aug 2009, colin wrote: > My favourite place is a cliff > path called "The Warren" outside of Polperro in Cornwall. Druridge Bay. A beach for all seasons. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Composing location
Presumably that clifftop experience already mentioned by others is what inspired the famous novel 'Fatal Fall' by Eileen Dover. Francis On 13 Aug 2009, at 16:25, Julia Say wrote: On 13 Aug 2009, colin wrote: My favourite place is a cliff path called "The Warren" outside of Polperro in Cornwall. Druridge Bay. A beach for all seasons. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Composing location
Now that really is offensive. :O) Chris Harris > Presumably that clifftop experience already mentioned by others is > what inspired the famous novel 'Fatal Fall' by Eileen Dover. > > Francis > > On 13 Aug 2009, at 16:25, Julia Say wrote: > >> On 13 Aug 2009, colin wrote: >> >>> My favourite place is a cliff >>> path called "The Warren" outside of Polperro in Cornwall. >> >> Druridge Bay. A beach for all seasons. >> >> Julia >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
No problem as you are doing it as a group activity and there is no conflict with the NPS who I am sure welcomes it. CR -Original Message- From: Neil Tavernor To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:09 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available And if (nsp dartmouth) is only for material sanctioned by the NPS, why did we need (NPS discussion). And can I advertise the Manchester group Pipers' day (3rd October) run and risk taken by individuals (no financial support from the NPS) on the (NPS discusion) list. Well I'm going to anyway. Neil - Original Message - From: "Francis Wood" To: "Dartmouth NPS" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Oh, for goodness' sake! Francis On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:41, rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this > list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of > the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to > organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefisher @aol.com To: n...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested > in attending or would like some more information please contact me > offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except > absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – B&B £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, NE2land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
I have never directly advertised my business through the NPS or any other medium. All my activity in piping has been for the Society in terms of running events. I never advertised when I was taking the Pipemaking class I did at Killingworth although I must confess that I did mention on the Pipers List that I had a G chanter for sale. The thing that bugs me is that the Pipers'Week would have been an ideal event for the NPS to run at the time of the Concert and Competitions and would have strengthened the work of the Society and its image to fulfill the aims of the Society to encourage the playing of the pipes. CR -Original Message- From: Di Jevons To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; rosspi...@aol.com Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:23 Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available What about some 'give and take' here? What of the business I imagine inevitably generated over the years via the NPS for a professional pipemaker through holding the positions of Chairman of and Technical Adviser to, the Society? Di Jevons - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. Th is is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: n...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – B&B £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N’land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.51/2297 - Release Date: 08/11/09 18:27:00 AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Flaming right, I do have strong views on this matter but this is what these lists generate. I try not to be insulting in my postings only to express my views which are at odds with other folk with less information to hand in expressing their views. CR -Original Message- From: Simon James To: NSP List Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:38 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available From Wikipedia: Flaming is a [1]hostile and [2]insulting [3]interaction between [4]Internet users. Flaming usually occurs in the social context of a [5]discussion board, [6]Internet Relay Chat (IRC) or even through [7]e-mail. An Internet user typically generates a flame response to other posts or users posting on a site, and such a response is usually not constructive, does not clarify a discussion, and does not persuade others. Sometimes, flamers attempt to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority over other users. Other times, a flamer is simply an individual who believes he or she carries the only valid opinion. This leads him or her to [8]personally attack those who disagree. In some cases, flamers wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case t hey can be called "[9]trolls". Most often however, flames are angry or insulting messages transmitted by people who have strong feelings about a subject. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Di Jevons <[10...@picklewood.info> wrote: What about some 'give and take' here? What of the business I imagine inevitably generated over the years via the NPS for a professional pipemaker through holding the positions of Chairman of and Technical Adviser to, the Society? Di Jevons - Original Message - From: <[11]rosspi...@aol.com> To: <[12]...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: [13]suzefis...@aol.com To: [14]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attend ing or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee -L-230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation B&B -L-140 - -L-245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, Nland NE24 3JA 07764 483595 [15]suzefis...@aol.com ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html =2 0 ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [17]www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.51/2297 - Release Date: 08/11/09 18:27:00 -- References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulting 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interaction 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet 5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_board 6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail 8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_attacks 9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) 10. mailto:d...@picklewood.info 11. mailto:rosspi...@aol.com 12. mailto:nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu 13. mailto:suzefis...@
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Agreed. CR -Original Message- From: Philip Gruar To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:13 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Well said "colin" (Hill, of course) I have been reading this list (both lists) over the past month with a growing sense of detatchment and loss of interest. I wonder if I can really be bothered to open any new message, and very likely read yet more griping and point-scoring, or whether just to hit the delete button, and send NPS and NSP alike to join all the other spam. We have had the endless "what is proper piping?" debate yet again (have the Taliban got an internet discussion list about true Islam, I wonder? If so it must be very similar), continuing point-scoring about the presidency, about the society "rules" or lack of them, pipe-makers and pipe-making books and what the society has/hasn't/should/shouldn't have done about them, and now this latest extraordinary outburst. The suggested distinction between NPS discussion and NSP (Dartmouth) list isn't really being observed, often because the subject matter applies to both. Personally, I don't bother to look closely at the acronym to see what list a posting is meant for, I still read them all - and I'm sure most of us who have subscribed to both do the same. I used to follow the discussions with interest, and often contribute to20 them, but the level of debate recently (with a few honourable exceptions) has sunk so low I'm tempted to unsubscribe from both lists. Letting my Society subsciption lapse sometimes seems like a good idea too. Please can we have a Summer recess, or a moratorium or something, and all come back refreshed and nicer people, ready to discuss piping and its music tolerantly and positively? Can we also drop the (failed?) experiment of the NPS discussion list. Some of us ordinary members really don't care any more about the Society's internal battles. Just fight it out among yourselves and let us know the result by old-fashioned snail-mail newsletter when all the blood has been cleaned up. Philip - Original Message - From: "colin" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I'm, glad someone else aid it first. I wasn't aware that this particular list was only for NPS events and news. > I thought it was a general list for anyone interested in any aspect of the pipes. So, if a course is being run and ISN'T held by the NPS we can't read it/post it etc? This puerile twaddle has got to stop before we all leave the list and, the way it's going, the Society too. Please put personal feeling aside and talk pipes and piping. If non-society events can't be discussed, what's the point of us non-Northeasteners bothering to belong to the list. I certainly can't get to Newcastle for an event (too far, too expensive, > too ill to travel that distance). OK, if them's the rules How about starting a NEW list where we can discuss ANYTHING to do with piping then? I would agree, however, that this topic would not be permitted in the discussion list (which is for members only). I fail to see how a general, public list (not linked to the NPS as such) > can disallow private courses, tutoring, pipe sales etc. I know that certain society members consider themselves a bit of a clique. Most of us don't. We love the pipes (whether we play or not) and enjoy talking about them. I would be most interested to read about, say, KT doing a concert here. Apoplectic fits from many members I suppose. Very sad. This list used to be very open (and I've been here for a long > time as well) and honest. Now it's a point-scoring forum. I no longer look forward to reading the mails as I know what's coming. Sorry but I'm really getting fed up with reading the snide remarks these days (plus most is lost on me as I don't know the people concerned). Bah, Humbug... Colin Hill - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.51/2297 - Release Date: 08/11/09 18:27:00 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Halcyon days gone by
How nostalgic I am for those halcyon days of blissful ignorance when the gods of the NPS did not cast thunder bolts down from Mt. Olympus on this humble little village of a newsgroup, but rather busied themselves ordering silver badges of office. Pr'haps bright Phebus will shine again upon this sodden plain! - Original Message - From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu To: si...@simonjames.net Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thu Aug 13 12:10:37 2009 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Flaming right, I do have strong views on this matter but this is what these lists generate. I try not to be insulting in my postings only to express my views which are at odds with other folk with less information to hand in expressing their views. CR -Original Message- From: Simon James To: NSP List Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:38 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available From Wikipedia: Flaming is a [1]hostile and [2]insulting [3]interaction between [4]Internet users. Flaming usually occurs in the social context of a [5]discussion board, [6]Internet Relay Chat (IRC) or even through [7]e-mail. An Internet user typically generates a flame response to other posts or users posting on a site, and such a response is usually not constructive, does not clarify a discussion, and does not persuade others. Sometimes, flamers attempt to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority over other users. Other times, a flamer is simply an individual who believes he or she carries the only valid opinion. This leads him or her to [8]personally attack those who disagree. In some cases, flamers wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case t hey can be called "[9]trolls". Most often however, flames are angry or insulting messages transmitted by people who have strong feelings about a subject. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Di Jevons <[10...@picklewood.info> wrote: What about some 'give and take' here? What of the business I imagine inevitably generated over the years via the NPS for a professional pipemaker through holding the positions of Chairman of and Technical Adviser to, the Society? Di Jevons - Original Message - From: <[11]rosspi...@aol.com> To: <[12]...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: [13]suzefis...@aol.com To: [14]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attend ing or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee -L-230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation B&B -L-140 - -L-245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, Nland NE24 3JA 07764 483595 [15]suzefis...@aol.com ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html =2 0 ___ _ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - [17]www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.1
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
However, the NPS didn't organise the Pipers' Week - it has, as you say, been done independently. I don't think it matters who does it, so long as it is organised well and run at a fair price. Or is it better for the NPS to not do something than for someone else to do it? John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of rosspi...@aol.com Sent: 13 August 2009 17:04 To: d...@picklewood.info Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I have never directly advertised my business through the NPS or any other medium. All my activity in piping has been for the Society in terms of running events. I never advertised when I was taking the Pipemaking class I did at Killingworth although I must confess that I did mention on the Pipers List that I had a G chanter for sale. The thing that bugs me is that the Pipers'Week would have been an ideal event for the NPS to run at the time of the Concert and Competitions and would have strengthened the work of the Society and its image to fulfill the aims of the Society to encourage the playing of the pipes. CR -Original Message- From: Di Jevons To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; rosspi...@aol.com Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:23 Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available What about some 'give and take' here? What of the business I imagine inevitably generated over the years via the NPS for a professional pipemaker through holding the positions of Chairman of and Technical Adviser to, the Society? Di Jevons - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this list. Th is is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefis...@aol.com To: n...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested in attending or would like some more information please contact me offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th - Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee - £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation - B&B £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants' expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, N'land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.51/2297 - Release Date: 08/11/09 18:27:00 AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
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[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
tim rolls BT wrote: --===AVGMAIL-00EC37ED==Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg?rt; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.53/2299 - Release Date: 08/12/09 18:12:00 --===AVGMAIL-00EC37ED===-- Hi, Is anyone else having problems reading Tim's posts? I copied this from the list FAQ in case it helps: To get rid of those funny character codes you have to eliminate 'quoted-printable' from your messages. Usually there is a place to choose how the message is formatted - plain-text, html, rtf, etc, and a place to choose how the letters are encoded - plain-text, base64, or quoted-printable. The latter may be under an 'advanced' button somewhere. Plain-text works more smoothly with the lute (nsp) list then quoted-printable. Base64 may work, but sometimes it appears as a solid block of random letters. -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Competitions and those far away.......
This Saturday will see Glasgow hosting the World Pipe Band Championships and for the first time the BBC will be streaming the event world wide. http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/music/worlds/2009/ Is it possible for some clever person with a webcam and laptop to work out a way to broadcast competitions from Northumberland for those of us living in lesser places? Ian To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Makes a lot more sense than some stuff people have been sending lately! -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anita Evans Sent: 13 August 2009 18:50 To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available tim rolls BT wrote: > --===AVGMAIL-00EC37ED==Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg?rt; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Description: "AVG certification" > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.53/2299 - Release Date: > 08/12/09 18:12:00 > > --===AVGMAIL-00EC37ED===-- > Hi, Is anyone else having problems reading Tim's posts? I copied this from the list FAQ in case it helps: To get rid of those funny character codes you have to eliminate 'quoted-printable' from your messages. Usually there is a place to choose how the message is formatted - plain-text, html, rtf, etc, and a place to choose how the letters are encoded - plain-text, base64, or quoted-printable. The latter may be under an 'advanced' button somewhere. Plain-text works more smoothly with the lute (nsp) list then quoted-printable. Base64 may work, but sometimes it appears as a solid block of random letters. -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Gibbons, John wrote: Makes a lot more sense than some stuff people have been sending lately! indeed -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] the piping course
I really hate to prolong this discussion, but just want to point out that in the mid '90s I persistently begged and pleaded, in person, by e-mail and?by snail mail, ?with the NPS chairman and committee members to organize a week-long piping course such as Susan is now doing, and was told it was quite out of the question, for numerous reasons.? For the two (?) years that the Northumberland (Northumbria?) Festival took place, it would have been an ideal?combination.??? As it was, there were all manner of wonderfully interesting events taking place in the evenings, but absolutely nothing during the day.??Dave Burleigh and Maureen Davison could not have been more helpful with suggestions for places to visit and things to do to make valuable use of the time, and for?most generous hospitality.???No one was interested in playing ?a couple of duets - probably fair enough - you don't just welcome with open arms every stray who lands on you doorstep,?but finally I was put in contact w! ith Lance Robson, who could not have been friendlier.? And Colin Ross was most helpful in fettling the drone reeds he had installed a few years previously and which by then needed some further TLC. At that point in time there were no other pipers in Western Pennsylvania, and there were fairly cheap, direct flights from USA to England.??And now, ironically, over a decade later,? there is this course, which by all accounts is excellent, but air fares are much more expensive, there are no direct flights to UK from our local airport, and I have become so involved with musical activities in this area this autumn that I can't leave.? Good luck, Susan.?? It is great that you have this course, now in its 2nd year.?? Long may it continue.?? Hopefully I'll be better organized?another year and be able to join in.? And how would we all know about it if it were not mentioned on the Dartmouth NSP list?? Keep on smiling and keep on piping, (and, yes, there are now a couple of good pipers living close by, and I do play the pipes with lots of other instruments) Sheila??? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Competitions and those far away.......
It would be possible to record, and post on t'internet for someone to download ... not that i have a camera or live anywhere near, but it wuld be possible, maybe not live streamining but definitely to post as a downloadable file at one of those 'huge attachment' type sites. good idea. snippets on youtube too?? 2009/8/13 Ian Lawther <[1]irlawt...@comcast.net> This Saturday will see Glasgow hosting the World Pipe Band Championships and for the first time the BBC will be streaming the event world wide. [2]http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/music/worlds/2009/ Is it possible for some clever person with a webcam and laptop to work out a way to broadcast competitions from Northumberland for those of us living in lesser places? Ian To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:irlawt...@comcast.net 2. http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/music/worlds/2009/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
I'll try again Hi Philip, re Can we also drop the (failed?) experiment of the NPS discussion list. Some of us ordinary members really don't care any more about the Society's internal battles. When we set up the NPS discussion list it was explicitly to allow people to wash their dirty linen in private, and to give dartmouth a break. We said so at the time. I would say on the whole it has been a success, although of late there has been a fair amount of soapy water sloshing over here too. If you find, as many do, that the NPS list is not to your taste, then it is easy to unsubscribe, or you can simply block the e-mails from those people whose postings you find offensive. I fear if we closed down the NPS list, dartmouth would again become the only outlet for people to air their views and I'm sure none of us would want that. Meanwhile, can I put in a plea to people to keep the NPS stuff over there, and leave over here for NSP matters, try not to post to both lists simultaneously as it gets confusing for recipients of both lists. Thanks Tim. - Original Message - From: "Philip Gruar" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Well said "colin" (Hill, of course) I have been reading this list (both lists) over the past month with a growing sense of detatchment and loss of interest. I wonder if I can really be bothered to open any new message, and very likely read yet more griping and point-scoring, or whether just to hit the delete button, and send NPS and NSP alike to join all the other spam. We have had the endless "what is proper piping?" debate yet again (have the Taliban got an internet discussion list about true Islam, I wonder? If so it must be very similar), continuing point-scoring about the presidency, about the society "rules" or lack of them, pipe-makers and pipe-making books and what the society has/hasn't/should/shouldn't have done about them, and now this latest extraordinary outburst. The suggested distinction between NPS discussion and NSP (Dartmouth) list isn't really being observed, often because the subject matter applies to both. Personally, I don't bother to look closely at the acronym to see what list a posting is meant for, I still read them all - and I'm sure most of us who have subscribed to both do the same. I used to follow the discussions with interest, and often contribute to them, but the level of debate recently (with a few honourable exceptions) has sunk so low I'm tempted to unsubscribe from both lists. Letting my Society subsciption lapse sometimes seems like a good idea too. Please can we have a Summer recess, or a moratorium or something, and all come back refreshed and nicer people, ready to discuss piping and its music tolerantly and positively? Can we also drop the (failed?) experiment of the NPS discussion list. Some of us ordinary members really don't care any more about the Society's internal battles. Just fight it out among yourselves and let us know the result by old-fashioned snail-mail newsletter when all the blood has been cleaned up. Philip - Original Message - From: "colin" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available I'm, glad someone else aid it first. I wasn't aware that this particular list was only for NPS events and news. I thought it was a general list for anyone interested in any aspect of the pipes. So, if a course is being run and ISN'T held by the NPS we can't read it/post it etc? This puerile twaddle has got to stop before we all leave the list and, the way it's going, the Society too. Please put personal feeling aside and talk pipes and piping. If non-society events can't be discussed, what's the point of us non-Northeasteners bothering to belong to the list. I certainly can't get to Newcastle for an event (too far, too expensive, too ill to travel that distance). OK, if them's the rules How about starting a NEW list where we can discuss ANYTHING to do with piping then? I would agree, however, that this topic would not be permitted in the discussion list (which is for members only). I fail to see how a general, public list (not linked to the NPS as such) can disallow private courses, tutoring, pipe sales etc. I know that certain society members consider themselves a bit of a clique. Most of us don't. We love the pipes (whether we play or not) and enjoy talking about them. I would be most interested to read about, say, KT doing a concert here. Apoplectic fits from many members I suppose. Very sad. This list used to be very open (and I've been here for a long time as well) and honest. Now it's a point-scoring forum. I no longer look forward to reading the mails as I know what's coming. Sorry but I'm really getting fed up with reading the snide remarks these days (plus most is lost on me as I don't
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Can someone please enlighten me on something as I am obviously too old and doddering to understand. Is this particular list an "open" list for matters pertaining to piping in general or only as it concerns the Society? For the life of me, I can't see the problem with self-advertising provided that it is to do with piping. Presumably, If I had heard of a piping course and then written a post "hey pipers, there's a course being held at...". That would be piping news surely and quite acceptable? Please explain the difference to me between a course held by the Society and one held by an individual as far as this (open) list is concerned (if it is open). Many people on this list are not members of the Society (hence the opening of the "dirty laundry" alternative list). Please inform us as to whether this list is to discuss piping in all it's aspects or only those aspects that the Society have a hand in. I think we need this clarification. If it is, indeed, NOT an open list but one being run for and on behalf of the Society, I think that needs pointing out notwithstanding the fact that the Society "runs" it and benefits from it (by spreading the word that it exists). If it IS a Society bases list only, maybe a change of name should be considered. Again, if it's an open list, maybe we shouldn't have details of the Society's contributions either (to make it fair). You can't have it both ways. An open list or a NPS list? That would, I think, help many of us to understand what is acceptable and what is not. If it IS a specific NPS list, maybe it should be restricted to members. Maybe a truly open list (such as the English Bagpipes list on Yahoo) should be started as an alternative to those who wish to discuss ALL aspects of piping and where the news of a course on piping would be accepted as news regardless of who was running it? Colin Hill (Life Member of NPS since around 1972/3) - Original Message - From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available No problem as you are doing it as a group activity and there is no conflict with the NPS who I am sure welcomes it. CR -Original Message- From: Neil Tavernor To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:09 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available And if (nsp dartmouth) is only for material sanctioned by the NPS, why did we need (NPS discussion). And can I advertise the Manchester group Pipers' day (3rd October) run and risk taken by individuals (no financial support from the NPS) on the (NPS discusion) list. Well I'm going to anyway. Neil - Original Message - From: "Francis Wood" To: "Dartmouth NPS" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Oh, for goodness' sake! Francis On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:41, rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this > list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of > the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to > organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefisher @aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested > in attending or would like some more information please contact me > offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except > absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – B&B £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, NE2land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Si
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
- Original Message - From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available No problem as you are doing it as a group activity and there is no conflict with the NPS who I am sure welcomes it. CR -Original Message- From: Neil Tavernor To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:09 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available And if (nsp dartmouth) is only for material sanctioned by the NPS, why did we need (NPS discussion). And can I advertise the Manchester group Pipers' day (3rd October) run and risk taken by individuals (no financial support from the NPS) on the (NPS discusion) list. Well I'm going to anyway. Neil - Original Message - From: "Francis Wood" To: "Dartmouth NPS" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Oh, for goodness' sake! Francis On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:41, rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this > list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of > the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to > organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefisher @aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested > in attending or would like some more information please contact me > offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except > absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – B&B £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, NE2land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
May I please apologise for filling mailboxes by hitting "reply all" and not removing the individual names and just sending one copy to the list, sorry. Colin Hill (told you I was old) :-) - Original Message - From: "Gibbons, John" To: "'Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site'" Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:02 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Makes a lot more sense than some stuff people have been sending lately! -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anita Evans Sent: 13 August 2009 18:50 To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available tim rolls BT wrote: --===AVGMAIL-00EC37ED==Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg?rt; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.53/2299 - Release Date: 08/12/09 18:12:00 --===AVGMAIL-00EC37ED===-- Hi, Is anyone else having problems reading Tim's posts? I copied this from the list FAQ in case it helps: To get rid of those funny character codes you have to eliminate 'quoted-printable' from your messages. Usually there is a place to choose how the message is formatted - plain-text, html, rtf, etc, and a place to choose how the letters are encoded - plain-text, base64, or quoted-printable. The latter may be under an 'advanced' button somewhere. Plain-text works more smoothly with the lute (nsp) list then quoted-printable. Base64 may work, but sometimes it appears as a solid block of random letters. -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Halcyon days gone by
Most illuminating! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Halcyon days gone by
Is this some new kind of notation / tab I can't read? If I look hard enough I'm sure I can make out harvest home .. 2009/8/13 <[1]gibbonssoi...@aol.com> Most illuminating! -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:gibbonssoi...@aol.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Dear Colin Hill, The NSP dartmouth list has nothing to do with the Northumbrian Pipers' Society other than the fact that many Society members post to this list. It is run out of Dartmouth College by a very patient and long-suffering chap called Wayne. Anyone can join the list and post any piping relevant topic that they feel would be of interest to other list members. Richard Colin (Hill) wrote: Can someone please enlighten me on something as I am obviously too old and doddering to understand. Is this particular list an "open" list for matters pertaining to piping in general or only as it concerns the Society? For the life of me, I can't see the problem with self-advertising provided that it is to do with piping. Presumably, If I had heard of a piping course and then written a post "hey pipers, there's a course being held at...". That would be piping news surely and quite acceptable? Please explain the difference to me between a course held by the Society and one held by an individual as far as this (open) list is concerned (if it is open). Many people on this list are not members of the Society (hence the opening of the "dirty laundry" alternative list). Please inform us as to whether this list is to discuss piping in all it's aspects or only those aspects that the Society have a hand in. I think we need this clarification. If it is, indeed, NOT an open list but one being run for and on behalf of the Society, I think that needs pointing out notwithstanding the fact that the Society "runs" it and benefits from it (by spreading the word that it exists). If it IS a Society bases list only, maybe a change of name should be considered. Again, if it's an open list, maybe we shouldn't have details of the Society's contributions either (to make it fair). You can't have it both ways. An open list or a NPS list? That would, I think, help many of us to understand what is acceptable and what is not. If it IS a specific NPS list, maybe it should be restricted to members. Maybe a truly open list (such as the English Bagpipes list on Yahoo) should be started as an alternative to those who wish to discuss ALL aspects of piping and where the news of a course on piping would be accepted as news regardless of who was running it? Colin Hill (Life Member of NPS since around 1972/3) - Original Message - From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available No problem as you are doing it as a group activity and there is no conflict with the NPS who I am sure welcomes it. CR -Original Message- From: Neil Tavernor To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:09 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available And if (nsp dartmouth) is only for material sanctioned by the NPS, why did we need (NPS discussion). And can I advertise the Manchester group Pipers' day (3rd October) run and risk taken by individuals (no financial support from the NPS) on the (NPS discusion) list. Well I'm going to anyway. Neil - Original Message - From: "Francis Wood" To: "Dartmouth NPS" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Oh, for goodness' sake! Francis On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:41, rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this > list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of > the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to > organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefisher @aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested > in attending or would like some more information please contact me > offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except > absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs: Tuition (over 5 days), events, outings etc. Includes lunch, tea and coffee – £230 per player (individual lessons may be available at extra cost) Accommodation – B&B £140 - £245 for 7 nights (depending on level of facilities chosen) Evening meals at participants’ expense Part-week bookings will be considered. For further details and an application form contact: Susan Craven 166 Plessey Road, BLYTH, NE2land NE24 3JA 07764 483595 suzefis...@aol.com AOL
[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available
Thanks Richard. That's what I had presumed so as the original post was information to do with piping it was quite valid in my eyes (whether anyone makes money from it is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned). Nice and open rather than being underhand and asking someone else to post the information. Why all the fuss then? Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Richard Shuttleworth" To: ; ; "colin" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Dear Colin Hill, The NSP dartmouth list has nothing to do with the Northumbrian Pipers' Society other than the fact that many Society members post to this list. It is run out of Dartmouth College by a very patient and long-suffering chap called Wayne. Anyone can join the list and post any piping relevant topic that they feel would be of interest to other list members. Richard Colin (Hill) wrote: Can someone please enlighten me on something as I am obviously too old and doddering to understand. Is this particular list an "open" list for matters pertaining to piping in general or only as it concerns the Society? For the life of me, I can't see the problem with self-advertising provided that it is to do with piping. Presumably, If I had heard of a piping course and then written a post "hey pipers, there's a course being held at...". That would be piping news surely and quite acceptable? Please explain the difference to me between a course held by the Society and one held by an individual as far as this (open) list is concerned (if it is open). Many people on this list are not members of the Society (hence the opening of the "dirty laundry" alternative list). Please inform us as to whether this list is to discuss piping in all it's aspects or only those aspects that the Society have a hand in. I think we need this clarification. If it is, indeed, NOT an open list but one being run for and on behalf of the Society, I think that needs pointing out notwithstanding the fact that the Society "runs" it and benefits from it (by spreading the word that it exists). If it IS a Society bases list only, maybe a change of name should be considered. Again, if it's an open list, maybe we shouldn't have details of the Society's contributions either (to make it fair). You can't have it both ways. An open list or a NPS list? That would, I think, help many of us to understand what is acceptable and what is not. If it IS a specific NPS list, maybe it should be restricted to members. Maybe a truly open list (such as the English Bagpipes list on Yahoo) should be started as an alternative to those who wish to discuss ALL aspects of piping and where the news of a course on piping would be accepted as news regardless of who was running it? Colin Hill (Life Member of NPS since around 1972/3) - Original Message - From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available No problem as you are doing it as a group activity and there is no conflict with the NPS who I am sure welcomes it. CR -Original Message- From: Neil Tavernor To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:09 Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available And if (nsp dartmouth) is only for material sanctioned by the NPS, why did we need (NPS discussion). And can I advertise the Manchester group Pipers' day (3rd October) run and risk taken by individuals (no financial support from the NPS) on the (NPS discusion) list. Well I'm going to anyway. Neil - Original Message - From: "Francis Wood" To: "Dartmouth NPS" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available Oh, for goodness' sake! Francis On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:41, rosspi...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if this advert for a privately run course is allowed on this > list. This is a course that is not run by the NPS but for the benefit of > the person who is running it who although taking the risk and time to > organise it is also taking any profit that may arise. CR -Original Message- From: suzefisher @aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:24 Subject: [NSP] Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available There are still a few places left on this course, if anyone is interested > in attending or would like some more information please contact me > offlist. Thanks Susan. 2nd NORTHUMBRIA PIPING WEEK Sunday 11th – Friday 16th October 2009 A residential piping course suitable for all playing levels (except > absolute beginners) based in a licensed hotel in Whitley Bay. Tutors for the week include Andy May, Chris Ormston, Chris Evans. Plus other guest tutors and performers. Limited accommodation for non-playing partners. Some non-residential playing places will be available. Costs
[NSP] Re: Halcyon days gone by
The "Most illuminating" was in response to that message of John Dally's beginning, eloquently, "SG93IG5vc3RhbGdpYyBJIGFtIGZvciB0aG9zZSBoYWxjeW9uIGRheXMgb2YgYmxpc3NmdW wgaWdu b3JhbmNlIHdoZW4gdGhlIGdvZHMgb2YgdGhlIE5QUyBkaWQgbm90IGNhc3QgdGh1bmRlciB ib2x0 cyBkb3duIGZyb20gTXQuIE9seW1wdXMgb24gdGhpcyBodW1ibGUgbGl0dGxlIHZpbGxhZ2U gb2Yg YSBuZXdzZ3JvdXAsIGJ1dCByYXRoZXIgYnVzaWVkIHRoZW1zZWx2ZXMgb3JkZXJpbmcgc2l sdmVy..." I don't know if the "References" were added by the mailer or by Dartmouth, though. John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Halcyon days gone by
On 13 Aug 2009, gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: >The "Most illuminating" was in response to that message of John >Dally's beginning, eloquently, >"SG93IG5vc.etc. Can't be right, John. It only seems to have four strains. Just rustle up a couple more variations, there's a good chap! I'd do it myself but I'm just chasing up Wm. Dixon's ancestors in the PRO. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
