[NTG-context] translating LyX/LaTex book into ConTeXt (was Re: [Context] Xindy)

2019-07-21 Thread Gour
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:21:21 +0200
Hans Hagen  wrote:

Hello Hans,

It was long ago since I did work on two parts of my mother's
autobiography and it was done in LyX/LaTeX/xindy...

Now, after her departure, there is an interest to write down 3rd
(final) part and I'm considering to do it as single book using ConTeXt.

> you can define your own sort order (in mkiv this is somewhat easier 
> because there we're in unicode space)

The two parts along with the to-be-written 3rd part would make it over
1k pages (currently part I & II are over 900p), there is mix of
Croatian and English in each book (although we published editions in
both languages), there are lot of Sanskrit words written using
diacritics, bibliography, glossary as well as color pictures.

I'm sure there is no problem in doing English/Croatian, but wonder
about Sanskrit diacritics, eg. when I typeset small snippet from the
LyX source I notice things like:

fonts   > checking > char ṁ (U+01E41) in font
'LMRoman12-Regular' with id 1: missing backend > xmp > using
file '/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-pdx.xml'

so I wonder if you have some suggestions in regard to fonts which cover
those diacritics well?

When using LaTeX, accents were just handled by putting e.g. dot over
'm'. Any hint how to easily enter such things in one's editor?

Now, I wonder how can one "define one's own sort order" since I'd like
that words containing e.g. 'ṁ' are to be sorted as 'm'?

> personally i have no plans for using xindy (i looked into it real
> long ago but at that time it was rather latex oriented and could not
> carry enough info around which i want in context)

As far as I understand Xindy is not developed any longer, so I hope ConTeXt can
do everything?

What about generating Glossary?

> currently the index mechanism in mkiv still uses the same tex
> interface when typesetting the index itself, but i will provide a
> more extensive mechanism (first i redo the sectioning and list); at
> that point we will also have one-pass index handling

What is the status of the above now?


Any further hint in translating LyX/LaTeX sources into ConTeXt?


Sincerely,
Gour

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[NTG-context] GeoGebrra support (was Re: adjusting tikz pictures)

2019-04-26 Thread Gour
On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 09:44:03 +1200
Henri Menke  wrote:

> Apparently you can already do that.  

You're right!

I've contacted their technical support and received the following reply:

"You can access that in GeoGebra Classic 5, see attached
screenshot.

Sorry, but I have no idea how much is supported in the ConTeXt
export as we haven't touched that code for several years." 

I'm including screenshot...

That feature is available in Classic4 which I now installed on my machine and,
according to the message, it's also in Classic5, but is not there ƣn the latest
Classic5. :-(


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Re: [NTG-context] tikz is not found

2019-04-25 Thread Gour
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 13:15:14 -0400 (EDT)
Aditya Mahajan  wrote:

> Here is a more detailed example that mimics the tikz code that you
> sent in the other email.

Thank you very much - it is very useful for learning purposes.

> In ConTeXt, if you put quotes around the name of a color, it looks at
> the colors defined in tex rather than colors defined in metapost.
> This allows you to easily share the same colors in text and figures.

That's great and desirable!

> As an elegent example of this see this excellent imitation of Byrne's
> Euclid:
> https://github.com/jemmybutton/byrne-euclid/releases/download/0.6%2B0.3/byr
> ne_context.pdf
> 
> (Source at https://github.com/jemmybutton/byrne-euclid)

Wow!!

This is wonderful example and learning resource.

Thank you, all, for your replies. Such a friendly and helping
list/community!


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Re: [NTG-context] adjusting tikz pictures

2019-04-25 Thread Gour
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:49:08 -0400 (EDT)
Aditya Mahajan  wrote:

> You need to change \begin{tikzpicture} ... \end{tikpicture} to 
> \starttikzpicture ... \stoptikzpicture and any other \begin{...} ... 
> \end{...} pairs that occur in tikz (like \begin{axis}, \begin{scope},
> etc) to \start... \stop... pairs. There are a few other quirks which
> have simple workarounds. I am not sure if they are documented
> anywhere.

OK.

> If you are more comfortable using a visual tool like GeoGebra than
> writing the tikz/metapost code by hand, then I'd say that simply
> process the generate latex code through latex to generate standalone
> pdfs and include them in your context document using
> \externalfigure[...].

:-)

> So, simply including the generated figures using \externalfigure[...]
> will allow you to get productive right away. If and when you start
> noticing the limitations of this approach, then you can learn
> metapost/tikz :-)

Heh...I also got some offline replies and it looks that using metapost is
a way to go.


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Re: [NTG-context] tikz is not found

2019-04-24 Thread Gour
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:29:26 -0600
Alan Braslau  wrote:

> Hans explained that third party modules are not automatically
> distributed or installed (yet) by the lmtx install.sh script. 

Ahh...I apologize for creating extra noise then. :-(

> All that you need to do is to copy the texmf-modules directory from a
> standard context distribution to the lmtx tree.

OK. Will try to do it.

> If you are intending on preparing math exams, I may suggest that
> native MetaPost IS better adapted for many reasons AND easier to use
> in ConTeXt.

I believe it is, but it seems that learning curve is steeper, while
GeoGebra is quite easy to easy...However, I downloaded MetaPost manual
and will test how it goes.

> Because your (or someone's) mail application replaced -- with
> emdashes.

That I spotted and corrected, but I'm getting another error, I suppose:

$ cat  mp.tex
\starttext
Lorem Ipsum…

\startMPcode
draw ( (0,0)--(1,0)--(0,1)) with color red ;
\stopMPcode

\stoptext

gives:

$ context mp.tex 
mtx-context | run 1: luatex
--fmt="/var/lib/texmf/luatex-cache/context/b47c3d3cee7cb6c86268d0595268c442/formats/luatex/cont-en"
--jobname="mp"
--lua="/var/lib/texmf/luatex-cache/context/b47c3d3cee7cb6c86268d0595268c442/formats/luatex/cont-en.lui"
--no-parse-first-line --c:currentrun=1 --c:fulljobname="./mp.tex"
--c:input="./mp.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9 "cont-yes.mkiv"

This is LuaTeX, Version 1.07.0 (TeX Live 2019/dev/Debian) 
 system commands enabled.
open source > level 1, order 1, name
'/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/mkiv/cont-yes.mkiv' system
> system  > ConTeXt  ver: 2018.04.04 00:51 MKIV beta  fmt:
> 2019.4.24  int: english/english
system  > 
system  > 'cont-new.mkiv' loaded
open source > level 2, order 2, name
'/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/mkiv/cont-new.mkiv' close source
> level 2, order 2, name
> '/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/mkiv/cont-new.mkiv'
> system  > files > jobname 'mp', input './mp', result 'mp'
fonts   > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
languages   > language 'en' is active
open source > level 2, order 3, name '/home/gour/prj/tex/mp.tex'
fonts   > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
fonts   > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
metapost> initializing instance 'metafun' using format 'metafun'
metapost> loading 'metafun' as
'/usr/share/texmf/metapost/context/base/mpiv/metafun.mpiv' using method
'default' metapost> initializing number mode 'scaled'

tex error   > mp error on line 6 in file /home/gour/prj/tex/mp.tex:

>> currentpen.with
! Improper type.

color
<*> draw ( (0,0)--(1,0)--(0,1)) with color
red ; ;
Next time say `withpen ';
I'll ignore the bad `with' clause and look for another.

! Extra tokens will be flushed.

color
<*> draw ( (0,0)--(1,0)--(0,1)) with color
red ; ;
I've just read as much of that statement as I could fathom,
so a semicolon should have been next. It's very puzzling...
but I'll try to get myself back together, by ignoring
everything up to the next `;'. Please insert a semicolon
now in front of anything that you don't want me to delete.
(See Chapter 27 of The METAFONTbook for an example.)

[1]

1 \starttext
2 Lorem Ipsum…
3 
4 \startMPcode
5 draw ( (0,0)--(1,0)--(0,1)) with color red ;
6 >>  \stopMPcode
7 
8 \stoptext
9 


? 


Any hint?


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[NTG-context] adjusting tikz pictures

2019-04-24 Thread Gour
Hello,

I believe that using GeoGebra for drawing, exporting to TikZ is the most
approachable method for me to be able to create mathematic-related
material like exams for the children in the primary school, but need some
info how to adjust GeoGebra's TikZ output (suitable for LaTeX) for
ConTeXt?

The link on the wiki's page (https://wiki.contextgarden.net/TikZ) fior the
manual is dead..


Here is the simple example:

\documentclass[10pt]{article}
\usepackage{pgf,tikz,pgfplots}
\pgfplotsset{compat=1.15}
\usepackage{mathrsfs}
\usetikzlibrary{arrows}
\pagestyle{empty}
\begin{document}
\definecolor{zzttqq}{rgb}{0.6,0.2,0}
\definecolor{ududff}{rgb}{0.30196078431372547,0.30196078431372547,1}
\begin{tikzpicture}[line cap=round,line join=round,>=triangle 45,x=1cm,y=1cm]
\begin{axis}[
x=1cm,y=1cm,
axis lines=middle,
ymajorgrids=true,
xmajorgrids=true,
xmin=-12.678,
xmax=12.678,
ymin=-13.472,
ymax=8.91,
xtick={-12,-11,...,12},
ytick={-13,-12,...,8},]
\clip(-12.68,-13.47) rectangle (12.68,8.91);
\fill[line width=2pt,color=zzttqq,fill=zzttqq,fill opacity=0.1000149011612] 
(-7.7,2.75) -- (0.88,2.57) -- (-3.04,-3.37) -- cycle;
\draw [line width=2pt,color=zzttqq] (-7.7,2.75)-- (0.88,2.57);
\draw [line width=2pt,color=zzttqq] (0.88,2.57)-- (-3.04,-3.37);
\draw [line width=2pt,color=zzttqq] (-3.04,-3.37)-- (-7.7,2.75);
\draw [line width=2pt,domain=-12.68:12.68] plot(\x,{(--25.3932-4.84*\x)/0.04});
\draw [line width=2pt,domain=-12.68:12.68] plot(\x,{(-13.78-3.92*\x)/5.94});
\draw [line width=2pt,domain=-12.68:12.68] plot(\x,{(--29.7366--8.58*\x)/0.18});
\begin{scriptsize}
\draw [fill=ududff] (-7.7,2.75) circle (2.5pt);
\draw[color=ududff] (-7.54,3.18) node {$A$};
\draw [fill=ududff] (0.88,2.57) circle (2.5pt);
\draw[color=ududff] (1.04,3) node {$B$};
\draw [fill=ududff] (-3.04,-3.37) circle (2.5pt);
\draw[color=ududff] (-2.88,-2.94) node {$C$};
\draw[color=zzttqq] (-3.34,2.58) node {$c$};
\draw[color=zzttqq] (-1.28,0.02) node {$a$};
\draw[color=zzttqq] (-5.04,0.12) node {$b$};
\draw [fill=ududff] (5.2,5.63) circle (2.5pt);
\draw[color=ududff] (5.36,6.06) node {$D$};
\draw [fill=ududff] (5.24,0.79) circle (2.5pt);
\draw[color=ududff] (5.4,1.22) node {$E$};
\draw[color=black] (4.92,8.82) node {$f$};
\draw [fill=ududff] (-2,-1) circle (2.5pt);
\draw[color=ududff] (-1.84,-0.56) node {$F$};
\draw[color=black] (-12.5,5.84) node {$g$};
\draw[color=black] (-3.04,8.82) node {$h$};
\end{scriptsize}
\end{axis}
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}

How would such example be adjusted to be used with ConTeXt?


Sincerely,
Gour


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[NTG-context] tikz is not found

2019-04-24 Thread Gour
Hello,

in order to try using TikZ figures (exported from Geogebra) I tried
with some simple TikZ example with lmtx install, but I get the
following: 

system  > ConTeXt  ver: 2019.04.16 09:07 MKIV beta  fmt:
2019.4.23  int: english/english system  > 
system  > 'cont-new.mkiv' loaded
open source > level 2, order 2, name
'/home/gour/opt/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/cont-new.mkiv'
system  > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv close
source    > level 2, order 2, name
'/home/gour/opt/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/cont-new.mkiv'
system  > files > jobname 'tik', input './tik', result 'tik'
fonts   > latin modern fonts are not preloaded languages
> language 'en' is active open source > level 2, order 3, name
> '/home/gour/prj/tex/tik.tex' colors  > 'rgb' color space is
> supported
colors  > 'cmyk' color space is supported
modules     > 'tikz' is not found
[...]

so wonder how to add missing tikz module?

I'm running Devuan (Debian) 'testing' (x86-64)...

Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: [NTG-context] preparing math exams

2019-04-24 Thread Gour
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 11:57:34 -0400
Fabrice L  wrote:

> Metapost (Metafun) is your best friend here. You can insert directly
> in context some MetaFun code, like this:
> 
> \starttext
> Lorem Ipsum…
> 
> \startMPcode
> draw ( (0,0) — (1,0) — (0,1)) with color red ;
> \stopMPcode
> 
> \stoptext
> 

That example does not work for me, but I've got a clue.

However, someone in other forum suggested me to use GeoGebra - that's
what even math textboooks use here which is interactive and can, amongst
several other formats, export to TikZ, and in the beginning it seems as
quicker/easier start.


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[NTG-context] preparing math exams

2019-04-23 Thread Gour
Hello,

I wonder what would be recommended way to prepare math exams for primary
school (e.g.  5th to 8th grade) which involves drawing lines, segments,
angles, polygons, circles, drawing functions etc.?

For regular formulas involving e.g. rational numbers, I'm sure that
input language for math is quite sufficient, but wonder about drawing
part?

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Re: [NTG-context] markdown module vs pandoc

2019-02-21 Thread Gour
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:50:41 +0100
Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:

> sorry for my delayed reply.

No problem - there is no rush here. ;)

> I’m still behind the environment itself, although I realized that
> these may not be relevant to everybody. I store the new commits in a
> private repository.

Aha...I believe I might be interested. :-)

> I use the XML handling (generating the XHTML with pandoc) in ConTeXt
> for almost all the documents I compile with ConTeXt. I think this is
> the way to go.

I admit it sounds/looks very good. Morever, it could allow me to e.g. use
org-mode for my original markup which I use anyway with Emacs and then do
org-mode --> XHTML.

> My environment is only an example. You may write another one for your
> own needs, you don’t have to use mine.

Heh, for that I must learn some things first. :-)
 
> There are other options, but LaTeX is a real problem for the
> development of pandoc, because many times users expect pandoc as a
> layer that spares them the actual dealing with LaTeX.

ConTeXt is certainly more appealing..

> But this is only my personal opinion. I hope it might help.

Thanks you very much!


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Re: [NTG-context] markdown module vs pandoc

2019-02-19 Thread Gour
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:08:44 +0100
Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:

Hello Pablo,

> I convert Markdown to XHTML and then I compile the XML sources with
> ConTeXt.

I've tried it and it works nicely. The possibility to have one-source-does-all
is tempting. ;)

Now I wonder if you're still behind the tool and/or whether it is still
actively used by you?

Another question for both you and Aditya in regard to the point made by Mojca
(suggesting to use Asciidoc markup) is whether you find that Pandoc's
(extended) Markdown is semantically rich-enough to cover more complex documents
or in such cases it would be better to use richer markup like Asciidoc or simpy
to directly use ConTeXt?


So far, one thing is clear: ConTeXt is the way to go instead of LaTeX and other
options, but now have to resolve whether to use pandoc's markdown, AsciiDoc or
just ConTeXt...

Sincerely,
Gour


> 
> I describe the method at http://www.from-pandoc-to-context.tk/.
> 
> Just in case it might help,
> 
> Pablo


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Re: [NTG-context] markdown module vs pandoc

2019-02-18 Thread Gour
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:40:44 +0100
Mojca Miklavec  wrote:

> If I was you, I would use AsciiDoc, convert it to DocBook and process
> the XML. (There is some simple proof-of-concept docbook processing
> already written.)

Uff, even when considering to just use AsciiDoc, I was always trying to stay
away from DocBook. :-)

Do you personally use that?

> Markdown is super ambiguous, with lots of different flavours, and
> often resorting to HTML for the lack of more expressive syntax.

I'm aware of that and that was the reason why in the past I was exploring
reST/AsciiDoc, but then I thƣnk that maybe I can use markdown just for
simpler/shorter content when publishing on web sites via static-site-generator
and for the rest (study notes, slide presentations, alreger texts and/or books)
to simply write directly in ConTeXt markup?

> There is relatively little syntax you need to learn to achive nearly
> anything,

This is something what I like - simplicity is always a virtue.

> I use TikZ when I need some ready-made stuff with possibly some fancy
> shading patterns (or when I would pass the images to LaTeX users). In
> those cases you might be able to achive the same in a lot less lines
> of code, but you usually constantly need the user manual at hand, and
> doing something low level is more tricky. ConTeXt support might be
> occasionally broken.

Thank you. It seems that metaPost/Fun is a way to go...


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: [NTG-context] markdown module vs pandoc

2019-02-18 Thread Gour
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:08:44 +0100
Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:

> I convert Markdown to XHTML and then I compile the XML sources with
> ConTeXt.
> 
> I describe the method at http://www.from-pandoc-to-context.tk/.
> 
> Just in case it might help,

Thank you, I'll explore that option...


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Re: [NTG-context] markdown module vs pandoc

2019-02-16 Thread Gour
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:34:33 -0500 (EST)
Aditya Mahajan  wrote:

> For simple documents, I use something like this (untested):

It does not work - maybe I have to install stand-alone version of ConTeXt, but
I got an idea.

> For more complicated documents (where I need both TeX and HTML
> output), I pre-process the input: 
> https://adityam.github.io/context-blog/post/markdown-with-gpp/

Thank you for the reference...some nice articles there. ;)

It looks as there is some learning ahead of me...btw, for illustrating
ConText documents and/or slide-presentation, do you recommend learning
MetaPost/MetaFun over .eg. TikZ if one wants to focus on single
(probably my learning plate is already quite full to go into something
else considering the need to learn ConTeXt itself) package?


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Re: [NTG-context] How to configure context command in Emacs

2019-02-16 Thread Gour
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 10:05:07 +0800
fv leung  wrote:

> I 've been using emacs + auctex for years and they work fine with
> ConTeXt: I modified the \etc\environment file as:

Thank you!

Do you possibly use RefTeX as well?


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Re: [NTG-context] markdown module vs pandoc

2019-02-15 Thread Gour
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 06:11:32 -0500 (EST)
Aditya Mahajan  wrote:

> For obvious reasons, the built in markdown module is faster than
> calling pandoc but I prefer using pandoc rather than the markdown
> module for two reasons. First, pandoc provides many extensions to the
> basic markdown syntax which I use frequently and second pandoc has
> better documentation. 

Thank you.

> Markdown is a loosely specified standard and sometimes it can be tricky to
> figure out how to get a particular behavior.

That's correct - I was using reST in the past, but lack of support for e.g.
nested inline markup leads to strange and ugly workarounds. Then I was
considering AsciiDoc(tor), but consider that for simpler stuff (Pnadoc)
markdown could be enough, but for larger bodies of text ConTeXt is without
comparison.

> So, if you are planning to use markdown for simple documents then go
> with the markdown module but if you have more complicated document
> structure, use pandoc. 

Do I inderstand you correctly: for more complicated documents you use Pandoc'
markdown and then do Pandoc --> ConTeXt conversion to typeset with the
ConTeXt at the end?


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Re: [NTG-context] Missing number, treated as zero

2019-02-15 Thread Gour
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:59:20 +0100
Henning Hraban Ramm  wrote:

> You mixed up the syntax,
> it’s either \section{Testing} or \startsection[title=Testing]

Ahh, what a shame. :-(


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[NTG-context] Missing number, treated as zero

2019-02-15 Thread Gour
Hello,

another attempt with ConTeXt and I'm getting this:

$  context t.tex
mtx-context | run 1: luatex 
--fmt="/home/gour/.texlive/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/0399a8df3aef8d154781d0a9c2b8e28d/formats/luatex/cont-en"
 --jobname="t" 
--lua="/home/gour/.texlive/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/0399a8df3aef8d154781d0a9c2b8e28d/formats/luatex/cont-en.lui"
 --no-parse-first-line --c:currentrun=1 --c:fulljobname="./t.tex" 
--c:input="./t.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9 "cont-yes.mkiv"

This is LuaTeX, Version 1.07.0 (TeX Live 2018/Arch Linux) 
 system commands enabled.
open source > level 1, order 1, name 
'/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/mkiv/cont-yes.mkiv'
system  > 
system  > ConTeXt  ver: 2018.04.04 00:51 MKIV beta  fmt: 2019.2.14  
int: english/english
system  > 
system  > 'cont-new.mkiv' loaded
open source > level 2, order 2, name 
'/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/mkiv/cont-new.mkiv'
close source> level 2, order 2, name 
'/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/mkiv/cont-new.mkiv'
system  > files > jobname 't', input './t', result 't'
fonts   > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
languages   > language 'en' is active
open source > level 2, order 3, name '/home/gour/tmp/t.tex'
fonts   > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
fonts   > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
structure   > sectioning > section @ level 3 : 0.0.1 -> Testing ConTeXt

tex error   > tex error on line 4 in file /home/gour/tmp/t.tex: ! Missing 
number, treated as zero

 
\23>>currentnamedsection 
\popmacro ...m_syst_helpers_push_macro \endcsname 
  \global \advance \lastname...
l.4 \stopsection
  

1 \starttext
2 \section[title={Testing ConTeXt}]
3 This is my document using Croatian chars: šŠ đĐ čČ ćĆ žŽ.
4 >>  \stopsection
5 \stoptext
6 
7 
8 
9 


? 


The file is:

$ cat t.tex 
\starttext
\section[title={Testing ConTeXt}]
This is my document using Croatian chars: šŠ đĐ čČ ćĆ žŽ.
\stopsection
\stoptext


I'm using Manjaro Linux (stable branch):

$ context --version
mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 1.02
mtx-context |
mtx-context | main context file: 
/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/mkiv/context.mkiv
mtx-context | current version: 2018.04.04 00:51

Any clue what's wrong?


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Re: [NTG-context] How to configure context command in Emacs

2019-02-14 Thread Gour
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 15:30:37 +0200
"Jan U. Hasecke"  wrote:

> I hope there are some Emacs users out there. ;-)

I also wonder about the current quality of ConTeXt support within Emacs?

In the past Patrick did some work on it, but, probably, atm he is busy with
Speedata Publisher...


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[NTG-context] markdown module vs pandoc

2019-02-14 Thread Gour
Hello,

I'm interested for using markdown markup and typeset such documents via
ConTeXt, but wonder whether it is recommended to use Markdown module or do
markdown --> ConTeXt via Pandoc?


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[NTG-context] speaker notes in context presentations

2018-01-03 Thread Gour
Hello!

I'm about to start working on series of slide-show presentations for
educational/teaching purposes...

While I was investigating the possibility of using (Pandoc) Markdowm to author
prsentation, I noticed that e.g. reveal.js
(https://github.com/hakimel/reveal.js) has capability to create 'speaker
notes':

"reveal.js comes with a speaker notes plugin which can be used to present
per-slide notes in a separate browser window. The notes window also gives you a
preview of the next upcoming slide so it may be helpful even if you haven't
written any notes. Press the 's' key on your keyboard to open the notes window.

A speaker timer starts as soon as the speaker view is opened. You can reset it
to 00:00:00 at any time by simply clicking/tapping on it."

However, just a thought that I would have to deal with downloading npm stuff,
running local server etc. instead of just having single PDF file is not
attractive to me at all.

However, I know that one can do it with LaTeX Beamer class - see e.g.

https://gist.github.com/andrejbauer/ac361549ac2186be0cdb

and there are even applications to help with that like pdfpc:

https://github.com/pdfpc/pdfpc

and wonder what would be the best way to do it in ConTeXt and/or whether
someone has some experience with ConTeXt-generated PDFs and e.g. pdfpc?


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: [NTG-context] Module for Markdown: any volunteer to make a ConTeXt interface?

2017-12-24 Thread Gour
On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 15:04:35 -0700
Alan Braslau  wrote:

> This analysis is not quite correct.

Thank you for your input.

> I use the "bibliography" subsystem as a general database tool,
> defining glossaries, tables of crystallographic symmetries, catalogs
> of diagrams, etc., so it is quite a bit more flexible than just to
> create bibliographies.

Does it mean there is no need for tools like JabRef, Zotero etc. if I'm staying
within the scope of ConTeXt?


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[NTG-context] where is latest vim-context?

2017-12-21 Thread Gour
Hello,

I've decided to use ConTeXt instead of LyX/LaTeX and at the same time moved
(back) to (n)vim from Emacs and wonder if
https://github.com/adityam/vim-context does contain latest vim support for
ConTeXt?


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Re: [NTG-context] Module for Markdown: any volunteer to make a ConTeXt interface?

2017-12-05 Thread Gour
On Sun, 7 May 2017 23:33:30 +0200
r.erm...@hccnet.nl wrote:

> I recently finished a book project in multimarkdown, which I
> converted to LaTeX (I could not use ConTeXt because of its limited
> bibliographical functions in comparison to BibLatex).

Just wonder, since I plan to embrace ConTeXt for a larger educational-based
project with the need to use bibliographical functions, what did you prevent
you to use it?

Let me say that I'm fully familiar with neither BibLatex's capabilities nor
with the similar things in MkIV... 

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Re: [NTG-context] WYSIWYM editor on top of ConTeXt / Lout

2017-12-02 Thread Gour
On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:40:35 +1100
Brian Ballsun-Stanton  wrote:

> A desktop editor, not so much. But it'd be wonderful to have a cloud
> based one with Git integration. 

+1 for desktop editor, although I plan to use Emacs for my ConTeXt writing, so
having better support in AUCTeX would be also nice. At the end, I believe that
Emacs is not so scary as it looks, especially for the folks ready to enter into
the world of things like ConTeXt...

As far as Git integration is concerned, not very important feature for me since
I prefer using Fossil. ;)

Btw, Lout is also interesting, but, iirc, it lacks proper Unicode
(UTF-8) support. Recently I was also looking at groff/mom...


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[NTG-context] org-mode & ConTeXt

2017-11-14 Thread Gour
Hello,

I plan to start working on series lectures/presentations for educational
purposes and I'm going to use ConTeXt for typesetting the whole material.

Considering that for smaller articles (e.g. blog posts) I use Emacs' org-mode
(with Hugo static-site-generator) and spend fair amount of time with org-mode,
I wonder whether you in general can recommend using org-mode for collecting
notes and then export to ConTeXt (via Pandoc)?

Another concern - disclaimer: still haven't go through excellent Bibliographies
manual - is whether it is possible to e.g. use org-ref
(https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref) - orgmode's support for RefTeX
(https://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/reftex.html) which is mentioned in the
wiki (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reftex) or is is better to excusively work
within the scope of ConTeXt?

I've also noticed that Bibliogrpahies manual does mention JabRef and Zotero for
managing databases, so I'd appreciate if ConTeXt users can share their
experience in regard?


Sincerely,
Gour

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which are due to contact with the material senses. O son of Kuntī,
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Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?

2014-07-15 Thread Gour
Hans Hagen  writes:

> (and the context mailing list is one of the more active tex related
> lists and not the smallest either)

I believe this is part of the problem as well of the solution - there is
so much knowledge scattered in different posts here and if it could be
put into manual form, there will be plenty of docs available.


Otoh, there is nothing even remotely close to ConteXt when it comes to
quality typesetting. ConTeXt is simply what LaTeX2e was supposed to be
and the state of LaTeX3 is not very promising i nthe sense of having
some release soon.


If I'd be asked, my proposal would be for all LaTeX users to simply
invest some time in learning to migrate to ConTeXt and similar advice
for the developers as well which could skyrocket development of ConTeXt
as well having ability to 'program' using Lua via LuaTeX.



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degrade himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, 
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt epub workflow

2014-07-03 Thread Gour
Aditya Mahajan  writes:

> In the long run, I think that the "easiest" way to generate multiple
> output formats for non-trivial input text is to use XML as your input
> format.

Although I do not like XML-based format as input for writing, I wonder
how is ConTeXt handling XML format *today* ?


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Re: [NTG-context] bibliography tool

2014-07-01 Thread Gour
Joshua Krämer 
writes:

> If you use a Debian package of ConTeXt, look in the system-wide texmf
> directory, which should be something like /usr/share/texmf/, and in the
> system-wide documentation directory, which should be something
> like /usr/share/doc/.

Didn't find it, but got it offline list from Wolfgang.


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Re: [NTG-context] bibliography tool

2014-06-30 Thread Gour
Wolfgang Schuster  writes:

> There should be a pdf named mkiv-publications.pdf in your context directory.

I'm using Debian (Sid), but there is, afaict, no such pdf.


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Re: [NTG-context] bibliography tool

2014-06-30 Thread Gour
Hans Hagen  writes:

> beware: the mkii derived bibliograpic support for mkiv is replaced so
> that page is kind of obsolete (the new manual is in the distribution)

You mean this one http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv is
also obsolete?

Where is the new manual and is the manual going to be published in paper
form?

> the bib pages on the wiki will be replaced (also pending a better
> split between mkii and mkiv pages)

It looks as ConTeXt (MkIV) is really becoming premiere typesetting
system!!


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Re: [NTG-context] bibliography tool

2014-06-30 Thread Gour
Jean Magnan de Bornier  writes:

> Please share your precious findings!

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography


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Re: [NTG-context] 'excursion' and MkIV/LuaTeX

2014-06-29 Thread Gour
Hans Hagen  writes:

> my collegue is working on that

Any info about ETA and the content which will be covered?


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Re: [NTG-context] bibliography tool

2014-06-29 Thread Gour
Gour  writes:

> I was browsing docs in the contextgarden but not sure what is available
> for handling bibliography in ConTeXt today?

Just a note that I've found the desired page(s), but my usage of Search
engine at contextgarden was a bitz faulty. :-(

> Sincerely,
> Gour

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[NTG-context] bibliography tool

2014-06-28 Thread Gour
I was browsing docs in the contextgarden but not sure what is available
for handling bibliography in ConTeXt today?

Afaict, RefTeX is for LaTeX only, I recall there was(is).

(My dev environment is Debian Linux/Emacs/AUCTeX.)


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[NTG-context] 'excursion' and MkIV/LuaTeX

2014-06-28 Thread Gour
Is 'excursion' manual still mostly relevant for using ConTeXt MkIV &
LuaTeX?

Any plan to publish some new physical ConTeXt-related book soon?


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Re: [NTG-context] Preparing a weird index.

2014-06-27 Thread Gour
Wolfgang Schuster  writes:

> Yes, the register mechanism provides a language key where you can
> specify the language which is used for the sorting of the entries.

Excellent!!

It's time to dive into ConTeXt again...

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Re: [NTG-context] Preparing a weird index.

2014-06-27 Thread Gour
Hans Hagen  writes:

> See sort-lan.lua ... you could define a pseudo-language for this and
> use that one for sorting. The actual sorting is driven by a sequence
> of steps that (can) involve uppercase, lowercase, shape, unicode,
> specific order etc.

It looks very good. Congratulations?

Does it mean I can e.g. still use 'hr' as main language for writing and
then use my pseudo language *just* for sorting purposes?


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Re: [NTG-context] Configure AUCTeX to run context not texec

2014-06-27 Thread Gour
Peter Münster  writes:

> Also on my todo-list, but again at low priority: "View" is in my
> history, so just pressing "up" does it. And once the viewer (evince
> in my case) is launched, there is no further need for "View".

What is the recommnded way to configure one's preferred viewer in AUCTeX
to by used when processing ConTeXt files?


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Re: [NTG-context] meeting

2014-06-26 Thread Gour
Hans Hagen  writes:

> In case you didn't consider it yet ... in a couple of months we have
> the context meeting and this is a perfect opportunity to meet those
> involved in development and support. You can participate in
> discussions about upcoming developments, express wishes, get sneak
> previews, get your problems solved (meetings are quite efficient for
> that).

For several years I'm TUG member and always add some small donations for
the LuaTeX project, free fonts etc. so I wonder whether e.g. LuaTeX is
really getting some support from TUG membership?

Yearly fee of 40€ for ConTeXt group is for ordinary members, right?


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Re: [NTG-context] Preparing a weird index.

2014-06-26 Thread Gour
Hans Hagen  writes:

> i don't know xindy but normally the context mkiv index mechanism is
> flexible enough (and it can be configured)

Here are some snippets from my old xindy setup...

;; define order of sorting runs
(use-rule-set :run 0
  :rule-set ("resolve-sanskrit-diacritics" "hr-alphabetize" 
  "hr-ignore-special"))
(use-rule-set :run 1
  :rule-set ("hr-resolve-diacritics" "hr-ignore-special"))
(use-rule-set :run 2
  :rule-set ("hr-resolve-case" "hr-ignore-special"))
(use-rule-set :run 3
  :rule-set ("hr-resolve-special"))

which says that the sorting should be done in the following order: first
rules for sanskrit diacriticits, then alphabetic sort of Croatian (hr)
characters etc. followed by another set of rules saying to sort Croatian
diacritics (I was using latin2 encoding) etc.

Here is example of resolve-sanskrit-diacritics:

(define-rule-set "resolve-sanskrit-diacritics"

   :rules  (("\\={(a)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
("\\={\\i}" "i" :bregexp :again)
("\\={I}" "I" :bregexp :again)
("\\\.{(.)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
("\\d{(r)}" "ri" :bregexp :again)
("\\d{(t)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
("\\d{(T)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
("\\d{(d)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
("\\d{(n)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
("\\d{(s)}" "š" :bregexp :again)
("\\d{(S)}" "Š" :bregexp :again)
("\\~{(.)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
("\\'{(c)}" "ć" :bregexp :again)
("\\'{(C)}" "Ć." :bregexp :again)
("\\'{(s)}" "š" :bregexp :again)
("\\'{(S)}" "Š" :bregexp :again)
))

which says that e.g. 'ṣ' which is pronounced similar to Croatian 'š'
should go in the same letter-group, same with 'Ś' which goes to 'Š'. 'ṛ'
is pronounced as 'ri' and it should goes in the letter group 'ri' etc.

Of course, at that time, without proper Unicode support, it was a bit
cumbersome but I was able to see everything properly in LyX as well as
properly sorted in the final PDF/PS outputs.

Is something like that possible in ConTeXt?


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Re: [NTG-context] Preparing a weird index.

2014-06-26 Thread Gour
john Culleton  writes:

Hello,

> I have looked into Xindy for this job but the learning curve is pretty
> steep and the documentation pretty opaque. makeindex won't handle
> decimals for locators.

in the past when working on some books with the
English/Croatian/Sanskrit(diacritics) using Xindy in companion with
LyX/LaTeX was the only option to ger proper sorting.

I was playing with the ConTeXt more than 10 years ago, but lack of
proper docs was always keeping me back from fully embracing it.

Today after checking (again) I see that there are even some printed
books and MkIV/LuaTeX seems to be quite stable, so I wonder about
ConTeXt's capabilities to generate index/glossary in regard to xindy
which is powerful, but I never really grokked it properly?

Other typesetting features of ConTeXt are certainly very tempting and
along with Emacs/AUCTeX everything looks as very pleasant typesetting
environment.

@John: I'm curios if you were able to prepare desired index *without*
makeindex/xindy?


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Re: [NTG-context] simplefonts or Typecripts

2010-08-13 Thread Gour D.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:58:55 +0200
>>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen  wrote:

Hans> it depends ... simplefonts uses some heuristics and therefore can
Hans> make it easier but not all fonts fit into a systematic approach

I see.

Hans> for a long time project making a few typescripts (just use those
Hans> defined at the end of type-otf.mkiv as template) and using file:
Hans> is more robust esp as it will nicely fail when something
Hans> fundamental has changed (names or so)

Thanks for the hint.

By inspecting type-otf.mkiv from texlive & context-minimals, I see
that the latter is almost 4x bigger - probably it includes most of the
interesting free fonts available.

For now, it can be enough considering that atm we'll mostly write
markdown/reST and convert to ConTeXt via pandoc, but later we'll go
into final production and then there will be another question
relevant - whether there are some affordable commercial quality
fonts which could enhance the free collection and which cover extended
Unicode range (we need to use Sanskrit diacritics that were created via
TeX accent mechanism when we worked in old LaTeX).


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Re: [NTG-context] other markup to ConTeXt

2010-08-13 Thread Gour D.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:35:04 +0200
>>>>>> "Henning" == Henning Hraban Ramm  wrote:

Henning> Sounds interesting. What's your workflow? Do you use a special
Henning> editor (WYSIWYM?) for your markup?

Writing markdown/reST in Emacs which has nice modes for both markup
formats. (There is even pandoc-mode.). Then I plan to use Sphinx to
generate nice html and qthelp files.

Finally, for the high-quality output, we plan to convert to ConTeXt
(via pandoc since there is no ConTeXt writer for sphinx/docutils) for
high-quality PDF output (if rst2pdf won't be satisfying or if we would
like to provide paper putput.

Henning> For a new project I'm planning to use some simple markup
Henning> (probably ReST) with a Web CMS to create HTML and ConTeXt ->
Henning> PDF. (I won't need math.)

I don't need math as well. ;)


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Re: [NTG-context] simplefonts or Typecripts

2010-08-13 Thread Gour D.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:58:55 +0200
>>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen  wrote:  

Hans> it depends ... simplefonts uses some heuristics and therefore can
Hans> make it easier but not all fonts fit into a systematic approach  

I see.

Hans> for a long time project making a few typescripts (just use those
Hans> defined at the end of type-otf.mkiv as template) and using file:
Hans> is more robust esp as it will nicely fail when something
Hans> fundamental has changed (names or so)  

Thanks for the hint.

By inspecting type-otf.mkiv from texlive & context-minimals, I see
that the latter is almost 4x bigger - probably it includes most of the
interesting free fonts available.

For now, it can be enough considering that atm we'll mostly write
markdown/reST and convert to ConTeXt via pandoc, but later we'll go
into final production and then there will be another question
relevant - whether there are some affordable commercial quality
fonts which could enhance the free collection and which cover extended
Unicode range (we need to use Sanskrit diacritics that were created via
TeX accent mechanism when we worked in old LaTeX).


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[NTG-context] simplefonts or Typecripts

2010-08-13 Thread Gour D.
Hello!

I'd like to (finally) dive into ConTeXt (MkIV) using it for everything
and stop using LyX/LaTeX...ConText is installed via
context-minimals-git package on Archlinux (thank you Aditya).

The 'Using fonts' section on wiki says:

Handling fonts in LuaTeX can be done

* in a simple but limited way, using the simplefonts module;
* in the standard way, using TypeScripts 

and I've tried example with Delicious font (too bad there is no
Croatian characters available) and it works.

Considering I never learnt TypeScripts mechanism (and managed to
forget most of ConteXr I knew when fiddling with it some years ago), I
wonder if 'simplefonts' is THE way to go with fonts in MkIV and/or is
there something one may miss by not using TypeScripts mechanism?


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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 16:03:34 +0200
>>>>>> "Alain" == Alain Delmotte  wrote:

Alain> Can you read a sentence in full and not always cut out what
Alain> doesn't interest you, or should I mark every word as important?

Excuse me...it's my mistake...I had to enclose my sentence in:

\startirony
...
\endirony

:-)


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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:45:51 +0200
>>>>>> "Alain" == Alain Delmotte  wrote:

Alain> I think Taco didn't say *at all* that books are not important;
Alain> he just said that the books will not automatically increase the
Alain> use.

So you think that having book(s) will leave the number of the ConText
users on the same level or maybe decrease it?

Alain> What is more important: having a very good program and wait for
Alain> its documentation, or a very good documentation and a buggy
Alain> program???

(user) docs brings new users...
(dev) docs brings new devs...
(some) users become devs...
(more) devs increases bus-factor... 


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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:54:18 +0200
>>>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Schneider  wrote:

Hello Andreas,

Andreas> If you spend some time on the mailing list your probably make
Andreas> the contrary observation. There are countless cases where
Andreas> Hans, Taco or Wolfgang implement some features to fulfill a
Andreas> request of a user. Nearly every time I had a question/problem,
Andreas> a solution came up within _hours_. That's quite impressive
Andreas> imho. That also means that many solutions can be found by
Andreas> searching the mailing list archives ... not few things are
Andreas> also mentioned in the Wiki. And for the very basic problems,
Andreas> the "old" manuals still mostly apply.

Thank you for your post. You are touching one of the very important
aspects of ConTeXt which lot of people here do not or does not want to
understand...

I'm not the one who is living typography or for whom typesetting
and/or writing books is bread & butter...When I did two books some
years ago I was not confident I could make it due to the lack of
up-to-date docs.

I picked two LaTeX books (Kopka/Daly & Companion) which helped me to
publish the books using LaTeX/LyX and I helped the project by sending
donation as well as put credit in the book for all the tools which I
used. (These days I'm TUG member and give some modest donation for TeX
Gyre and LuaTeX projects.)

So, the main variable in equation here is: TIME!

I simply do not have time to research mailing lists, wikis etc. to
find about the 'application', but prefer to buy the book (I'm book guy
accustomed to learn from books) and read it afk to learn basic things.

Then, I might get into mailing list, IRC, forums etc. when faced with
very specific problems.

That's the reason, I believe, why many people are buying books - to
quickly get 'in action' as Manning publishers explain their book
series.

However, it might be that ConTeXt prefer to always stay niche-product
and to, as Haskellers say: "Avoid success at all costs.” :-)


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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 10:51:33 +0200
>>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen  wrote:

Hello Hans,

Hans> you must be kidding ... there are some 600 people on this list
Hans> whih makes it actually not that small tex list; it's also one of
Hans> the active tex lists

I just conveyed real message which I got, nothing else, i.e. I did not
paint that picture...

Here you can e.g. see reply from the main dev which I got 2 years ago
when asked about support for ConTexT in docutils (which does LaTeX):
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.text.docutils.user/4404

Hans> also keep in mind that lates (+amsmath) was declared 'a standard'
Hans> soon after tex surfaced ... just wonder why currently there are
Hans> only two main macro packages: latex and context .. it sometimes
Hans> surprises me that eventually we made it to this stage

I offer my deepest respect for your work and tireless enthusiasm.

Hans> as taco mentions ... 99% of the latex books are not written by
Hans> lamport

Nobody expects that you write the book...

Hans> anyway ... idris is writing a context book so push him to speed up

That's very nice to hear...much better than some other replies in this
thread. ;)

Hans> there are couple of folks out there (and on the list) who know
Hans> the source code pretty well so i would not worry to much about
Hans> that

OK. We hope there won't be need for the proof in practice.


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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 08:54:54 +0200
>>>>>> "Taco" == Taco Hoekwater  wrote:

Taco> Granted, often the first (and sometimes the best) books are by
Taco> the inventors, but the *number* of books on a subject just gives
Taco> an indication of the book market size, nothing more.

Well, I used example of jQuery which is hot for me atm, but I could
say Django as well or something.

Why do you think the books about different projects are written &
bought? It's not novel-market...

Taco> The availability of ConTeXt books will not automatically create
Taco> more users (nor even automatically create readers, for that
Taco> matter).

Hmm, interesting...

If even you think that ConTeXt books are not important (to bring new
users), then no wonder we do not have even a single one...


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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-03 Thread Gour
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:47:44 +0200
>>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec  wrote:

Mojca> > You can use MS-Word - it has a *huge* user base!
Mojca> 
Mojca> I really love that answer :) :) :) And it's definitely true.

I'm really sad to receive such foolish answers here. :-(

What do you think why I'm subscribed to the ntg-context list at the
first place?

Moreover, by inspecting X-Newsreader: header in my message you could
deduce that I most probably do not use OS for which MS-Word is
available...


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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-02 Thread Gour
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:32:50 -0500
>>>>>> "Russell" == Russell Urquhart  wrote:

Russell> As a tech writer for almost 30 years, and someone just getting
Russell> into Context, i am sorry to hear that was a joke! 

Just see the sad affair of Context's docs so that the 'book' is topic for
the April's 1st joke. :-(

If it wouldn't be so sad, it would be funny...

At the moment I'm looking to learn jQuery and, rest assured, there are
several books to choose from. Being a 'book' guy, it's hard to find
any significant project without either up-to-date manual or some books
available, and I definitely consider that ConTeXt could be one.

However, when I ask somewhere about the support for ConTeXt I'm
getting answers like: "This is the project which has only 5 or 6
users. Who actually uses it? Use LaTeX!" :-(

This raises another concern and that is: what is the future of ConTeXt
is Hans "get hit by the bus"? (Of course, we even do not want to think
about it...)

 
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Re: [NTG-context] updating Minimals for MKIV

2010-01-25 Thread Gour
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:54:46 -0500 (EST)
>>>>>> "Aditya" == Aditya Mahajan  wrote:

Aditya> Another attempt to fix this. Now I just use mtx-update to make
Aditya> the formats. However, this is done during building the package
Aditya> (rather than in the post-install stage). So, you will need to
Aditya> force a package update (pass -f to your package manager).

Now it works nicely. Thank you.

Aditya> The easiest way is to create a script called emacs-context with
Aditya> 
Aditya> source /opt/context-minimals/setuptex
Aditya>     emacs $@

Thanks.

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Re: [NTG-context] updating Minimals for MKIV

2010-01-23 Thread Gour
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:17:19 -0500 (EST)
>>>>>> "Aditya" ==  wrote:


Aditya> Is that a typo (--generate), or did your really type
Aditya> --generated?

Typo.

Aditya> Did you run source /opt/context-minimals/setuptex before that.

Ahh...forgot that. :-(

Aditya> This is the wrong luatools!!! My guess is that you are not
Aditya> running
Aditya> 
Aditya> source /opt/context-minimals/setuptex

Correct. Let me try again...Now it works, but I still have to press
Enter twice on two occassions.

Aditya> If you do not use texlive ever, you can add 
Aditya> source /opt/context-minimals/setuptex to your .bashrc
Aditya> (or the rc file for whatever shell you use). 

I had that in my .zshenv, but had to remove it 'cause I still have
some old LaTeX/LyX stuff around.

Aditya> If you invoke context from an editor, you can change the 
Aditya> editor's startup scripts so that setuptex is sourced before 
Aditya> the editor is started.

I plan to use it with Emacs/AUCTeX, so will look how to do it there.


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Re: [NTG-context] updating Minimals for MKIV

2010-01-23 Thread Gour
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:40:16 -0500 (EST)
>>>>>> "Aditya" == Aditya Mahajan  wrote:

Aditya> It is possible that the earlier build sometimes ended up
Aditya> creating a $HOME/texmf-cache directory as root. If that
Aditya> happened, you will need to forcably remove $HOME/texmf-cache
Aditya> before reinstalling the package.

I've removed  $HOME/texmf-cache and tried again (with bauerbill, yaourt
is becoming too buggy):

[r...@gaura-nitai gour] bb -Sy
context-minimals-git warning: context-minimals-git does not match any
package or group in sync db --> Searching for packages in AUR...
--> Loading AUR taurball data...
warning: about to
source /tmp/bauerbill/build/AUR/context-minimals-git/PKGBUILD view [v]
backup [b]  edit [e]  continue [ok]  abort [x]  ok --> an associated
install file was found for
context-minimals-git: 
/tmp/bauerbill/build/AUR/context-minimals-git/context-minimals-git.install
view [v]  backup [b]  edit [e]  continue [ok]  abort [x]  ok -->
Loading ABS taurball data... --> detected PKGDEST in /etc/makepkg.conf
--> Determining sizes of source files... --> Building
context-minimals-git... -->
Installing 
/var/abs/local/gaur/context-minimals-git-20100122-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.gz...
--> Running pacman: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/pacman --cachedir
"/var/cache/pacman/pkg"
-U  /var/abs/local/gaur/context-minimals-git-20100122-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.gz
loading package data... checking dependencies... (1/1) checking for
file conflicts
[]
100% (1/1) upgrading context-minimals-git
[]
100% mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf/ls-R... mktexlsr:
Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-context/ls-R... mktexlsr:
Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-fonts/ls-R... mktexlsr:
Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-linux-64/ls-R... mktexlsr:
Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-local/ls-R... mktexlsr: Done.

 Here I had to presee Enter twice in order to continue

Should I create the cache path /root/texmf-cache? [yes|no] [no] 
Should I create the cache path /root/texmf-cache? [yes|no] [no] MTXrun
| kpse fallback with progname 'context' initialized in 0.01 seconds
TeXExec | using search method 'kpsewhich' TeXExec | updating file
database mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-context/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-fonts/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-linux-64/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-local/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Done.
TeXExec | using tex engine pdftex
TeXExec | using tex format
path /opt/context-minimals/texmf-linux-64/web2c/pdftex TeXExec |
generating tex format cont-en This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10
(Web2C 2009) (INITEX) \write18 enabled.

[...]


 Here I had to press Enter twice (again)

TeXExec | 
TeXExec | tex: 23/01/2010 08:56:16
> /opt/context-minimals/texmf-linux-64/web2c/pdftex/cont-en.fmt
> (7366567) TeXExec | mps: 23/01/2010 08:56:16
> > /opt/context-minimals/texmf-linux-64/web2c/metafun.mem (486776)
TeXExec | 
TeXExec | runtime: 2.726559056
  


Should I create the cache path /root/texmf-cache? [yes|no] [no] 
Should I create the cache path /root/texmf-cache? [yes|no] [no] MTXrun
| kpse fallback with progname 'context' initialized in 0.01 seconds
TeXExec | using search method 'kpsewhich' TeXExec | updating file
database mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-context/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-fonts/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-linux-64/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Updating /opt/context-minimals/texmf-local/ls-R... 
mktexlsr: Done.
TeXExec | using tex engine xetex
TeXExec | using tex format
path /opt/context-minimals/texmf-linux-64/web2c/xetex TeXExec |
generating tex format cont-en This is XeTeX, Version
3.1415926-2.2-0.9995.2 (Web2C 7.5.6) (INITEX) \write18 enabled.


After that I run: luatools --generated and attempt to typeset 'hello
world example 

\starttext
Hello World šŠ đĐ čČ ćĆ žŽ
\stoptext


gives:

[g...@gaura-nitai tmp] context lt.tex 
MTXrun | warning: no format found, forcing remake (commandline driven)
MTXrun | running command: luatools --generate 
LuaTools | fileio: variable SELFAUTOLOC set to /usr/bin
LuaTools | fileio: variable SELFAUTODIR set to /usr
LuaTools | fileio: variable SELFAUTOPARENT set to /
LuaTools | fileio: variable TEXMFCNF set to
{$SELFAUTODIR,$SELFAUTOPARENT}{,{/share,}/texmf{-local,.local,}/web2c}
LuaTools | fileio: loading /usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
LuaTools | fileio: preparing configuration for /usr/share/texmf/web2c
LuaTools | fileio: configuration saved
in 
/home/gour/luatex-cache/c

Re: [NTG-context] updating Minimals for MKIV

2010-01-22 Thread Gour
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:53:11 -0500 (EST)
>>>>>> "Aditya" == Aditya Mahajan  wrote:

Aditya> This is the best compromise I could get for running MkIV in a
Aditya> multi-user environment. I do not ask the mtx-update script to
Aditya> generate the formats (the --make flag is missing), because this
Aditya> script is running as root. Generating the formats means that
Aditya> luatex-cache will be generated by root, and then a user will
Aditya> never be able to writing anything in the cache directory. So, I
Aditya> do not generate the formats during the update.  

Thank you for explanation.

Aditya> I generate the pdftex and xetex formats, and ask the user to
Aditya> run luatools --generate. When run for the first time, luatools
Aditya> --generate creates the $TEXMFCACHE directory. Since the command
Aditya> is run by the user, TEXMFCACHE is writable by the user.

Ahh, cool.

Aditya> Once luatools --generate is run, you can simply run "context
Aditya> filename". ConTeXt sees that the formats are wrong and
Aditya> regenerates them on the fly. The first luatools --generate is
Aditya> needed so that mtxrun can find the mtx-context script. (context
Aditya> is just a wrapper around mtx-context.lua).

Interesting...


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Re: [NTG-context] updating Minimals for MKIV

2010-01-22 Thread Gour
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:59:39 +0100
>>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen  wrote:  

Hans> if you download the minimals installer script from the garden and
Hans> run
Hans> 
Hans>./first-update.sh --engine=luatex  

Hmm, the build script does not run first-update.sh but it invokes the
following:

...
msg "Starting download or update of ConTeXt distribution"
 $srcdir/bin/texlua $srcdir/bin/mtxrun --script
$srcdir/bin/mtx-update.lua  \ --platform=$_platform
--texroot=$srcdir/tex --engine=all --extras=all \ --context=beta
--update  --force || return 1

Maybe I should wait for Aditya to explain what is he doing...

In any case, thank you Hans for your continuing work on ConTeXt/LuaTeX
and I sincerely hope this year will bring many new users here...


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Re: [NTG-context] updating Minimals for MKIV

2010-01-22 Thread Gour
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:59:39 +0100
>>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen  wrote:

Hans> if you download the minimals installer script from the garden and
Hans> run
Hans> 
Hans>./first-update.sh --engine=luatex

Hmm, the build script does not run first-update.sh butit invokes the
following:

...
msg "Starting download or update of ConTeXt distribution"
 $srcdir/bin/texlua $srcdir/bin/mtxrun --script
$srcdir/bin/mtx-update.lua  \ --platform=$_platform
--texroot=$srcdir/tex --engine=all --extras=all \ --context=beta
--update  --force || return 1


Maybe I should wait for Aditya to explain what is he doing...

In any case, thank you Hans for your continuing work on ConTeXt/LuaTeX
and I sincerely hope this year will bring many new users here...


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Re: [NTG-context] updating Minimals for MKIV

2010-01-22 Thread Gour
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:59:39 +0100
>>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen  wrote:

Hans> if you download the minimals installer script from the garden and
Hans> run
Hans> 
Hans>./first-update.sh --engine=luatex

Hmm, the build script does not run first-update.sh but it invokes the
following:

...
msg "Starting download or update of ConTeXt distribution"
 $srcdir/bin/texlua $srcdir/bin/mtxrun --script
$srcdir/bin/mtx-update.lua  \ --platform=$_platform
--texroot=$srcdir/tex --engine=all --extras=all \ --context=beta
--update  --force || return 1

Maybe I should wait for Aditya to explain what is he doing...

In any case, thank you Hans for your continuing work on ConTeXt/LuaTeX
and I sincerely hope this year will bring many new users here...


Sincerely,
Gour

p.s. Excuse me for sending it twice to the list instead of using
Gmane - somehow 'Reply' did not send to the newsgroup. :-(

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Re: [NTG-context] updating Minimals for MKIV

2010-01-22 Thread Gour
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:01:33 +0100
>>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec  wrote:


Mojca> luatools --generate is definitely needed on fresh install (it
Mojca> should be done automatically, but it isn't for some weird
Mojca> md5-related reason I suppose).

Hmm here is post_install script:

post_install() {
 source /opt/context-minimals/setuptex
 mktexlsr
 texexec --make cont-en metafun
 texexec --make --xetex
 echo "*"
 echo "To use ConTeXt minimals run"
 echo "/opt/context-minimals/setuptex"
 echo "To use MkIV run"
 echo """
 echo "*"
}


which, if I understand correctly just states to run: luatools --generate
to get MKIV format.

Mojca> Once you have mkiv working, the "context --make" is executed
Mojca> automatically in case that formts don't match.

I see...that may be part of explanation we're looking for.

Mojca> I guess that's because mkiv generates new formats automatically
Mojca> (I'm not sure if it also calls luatools --generate in that case,
Mojca> but it could if it doesn't).

OK. I hope Aditya will show up here - it's his 'sabji' :-)


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[NTG-context] updating Minimals for MKIV

2010-01-22 Thread Gour
Hiya!

I've decide to (finally) learn ConTeXt and use it exclusively as well
as port (some of) the old documents from LaTeX/LyX.

In order to do that I've installed context-minimals-git package
available for Arch Linux (thank you Aditya! - mahajano yena gatah sa
panthah) ;)
 
I've some issues with update (left the note on AUR), but I'm curious
what is the proper way to update ConTeXt for MKIV format? (I do not
need MKII and want to focus on MKIV exclusively - to help with
testing and because I've no need to keep any MK II document.)

The wiki page (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals) says:

*  For making MKIV format 

luatools --selfupdate
mtxrun --selfupdate
luatools --generate
context --make


while the package for Archlinux has the following update function:

post_upgrade() {
 source /opt/context-minimals/setuptex
 mktexlsr
 texexec --make cont-en metafun
 texexec --make --xetex
 echo "*"
 echo "To use ConTeXt minimals run"
 echo "/opt/context-minimals/setuptex"
 echo "To use MkIV run"
 echo "luatools --generate"
 echo "*****"
}


i.e. only "luatools --generate".

Anyone can clarify?


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Re: [NTG-context] Thoughts on ConTeXt: ditched

2009-12-28 Thread Gour
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:54:47 +0100
>>>>>> "Manuel" == "Manuel P."  wrote:

Manuel> A little wish: I hope that when I'll return here there'll be
Manuel> good documentation (user-oriented) 

What about the above part?

Atm, whatever I write is done using reST, but the day will come when
something should be typeset for nice PDF...so I wonder what is with the
plan to get, as Hans wrote some time ago: "taco and i are thinking
about a solution for providing printed manuals at some point". Is it
0.50 the right time for it or we still have to wait?

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Re: [NTG-context] muse, pandoc and context

2008-12-02 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Jörg" == Jörg Hagmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hello,

Jörg> Dear list members, 

Jörg> Despite using a text editor (emacs) and context almost
Jörg> exclusively, I need a way to communicate with other members of the
Jörg> institute. 

I was in the similar boat - using Emacs with muse markup but wanting to
have something which is more 'standard'- it's not that everyone is using
Emacs (yet) :-)

Jörg> I'm evaluating two possibilities: 1. Writing in markdown and using
Jörg> pandoc for conversion to either context or something openable by a
Jörg> word processor.  

I tried with markdown and gave it up - it's too limiting for my writing
needs.

Jörg> I would like to know the following: - Has anybody done the same
Jörg> and come to a conclusion? Reasons?  - Is my impression correct
Jörg> that with muse one has fewer possibilities such as
Jörg> sub/superscripts?

I've settled on reST which is richer markup (see
e.g. http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/roles.html#subscript)
which is more standard than 'muse' and it enables easy conversion to
*.html (e.g. sphinx produces nice output from *.reST), and there is even
direct conversion to pdf with rst2pdf. Of course, you can enjoy rst-mode
as well.

In regard to the ConTeXt side of the equation, I hope that Pandoc will
get full parser for reST and then it will be possible to use it produce
nice ConTeXt as well (see Pandoc' archive) or we should write and/or ask
(I did) for ConTeXt back-end in docutils ;)


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Re: [NTG-context] emacs

2008-10-22 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Marcin" == Marcin Borkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Marcin> I know that these are not *serious* problems; but the UX is poor
Marcin> with them...  

I agree :-/

Marcin> I plan to learn emacs lisp a bit in my spare time (though I
Marcin> almost forgot what "spare time" means;P), but I certainly won't
Marcin> do any serious hacking there.

Same here...when I learn about 'spare time', I'll join you ;)

For now, I'm simply writing in *.rst (restructured text) hoping that
Pandoc will get full* parser for it so that one will be able to convert
to ConTeXt :-)


* atm there is only partial support for rst markup.


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Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?

2008-09-15 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Armando" == Armando Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Armando> Any idea about the most Tex-friendly Linux distribution,
Armando> please?  

I'm quite happy with Archlinux (texlive 2008 entered 'extra' repository
few days ago).


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Re: [NTG-context] [Context] Xindy

2008-09-13 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hans> you can define your own sort order (in mkiv this is somewhat
Hans> easier because there we're in unicode space)

Well, Xindy works with utf-8, but it 's nice to hear about mkiv's
features.

Hans> personally i have no plans for using xindy (i looked into it real
Hans> long ago but at that time it was rather latex oriented and could
Hans> not carry enough info around which i want in context)

Hmm, iirc, (it was long ago when I read Xindy's docs), Xindy is quite
markup agnostic. The very web site says:

"xindy is an index processor that can be used to generate book-like
indexes for arbitrary document-preparation systems. This includes
systems such as TeX and LaTeX, the roff-family, SGML/XML-based systems
(e.g., HTML) that process some kind of text and generate indexing
information. The kernel system is not fixed to any specific system, but
can be configured to work together with such systems."

You can also read http://xindy.sourceforge.net/features.html page...

Can ConTeXt process e.g. indexes like Bible's example mentioned under
"Manage Non-Standard Locations" section in the above page?

Hans> of course, if someone wants to write a m-xindy, i can provide
Hans> additional interfaces/hooks if needed

I'll be definitely interested to have it. However, probably not enough
time before the end of the year.

m-xindy is tsupposed to be written in TeX macro or Lua?


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[NTG-context] test files for Xindy (was Re: [Context] Xindy)

2008-09-12 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Arthur" == Arthur Reutenauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hello Arthur!

Arthur>   At for the original question, it certainly sounds like a good
Arthur> idea to me, but it needs investigation.  Gour, can you make a
Arthur> small test file with usage instruction?

I've found some old post from Xindy list (Jan 2003) with some
interesting info:

"I have completed my project to demonstrate the use of Xindy in
conjunction with Context. The results are available in the following
(identical) collections of files:
http://wexfordpress.com/tex/culleton.zip
http://wexfordpress.com/tex/culleton.tar.gz

I look forward to a more elegant implementation by a more elegant
programmer.  But mine works for now.  :-) Anyone who needs to index a 
non-English document in Context (or pdfetex or whatever) need only
create an alphabet file and proceed onward."


So, if some ConTeXt expert can take a look and improve it, maybe we are
not far from having full Xindy support in ConTeXt.


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Re: [NTG-context] [Context] Xindy

2008-09-12 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mojca> Hello Gour, This is not a question for this mailing list, but
Mojca> rather for Hans himself.

OK.

Mojca> ConTeXt doesn't use makeindex, so I don't really understand your
Mojca> complaints about makeindex.

Well, I mentioned 'makeindex' in the context of the tool which cannot
properly handle Unicode, afaik.

Mojca> What features exactly do you miss? 

I'm not sure if indexing-feature in ConTeXt allow me to use English,
Croatian and Sanskrit diacritics (not Devanagari) all in one document and 
define that I
want e.g. that \'{s}, \d{s} has to be sorted under 'Š' ?

In short, xindy allows one to define his own sort-rules.

Mojca> It makes no sense to discuss distributing something before it can
Mojca> be used with ConTeXt.)

Right, that's why also asked "Now I'm interested how is support for
Xindy in ConTeXt" hoping that the context-distribution list has enough
knowledgeable people able to answer it.

Excuse me for the noise...redirecting to other list...


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Re: [NTG-context] Happy ConTeXt Community Day :)

2008-08-31 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mojca> Today could be declared the "ConTeXt Community Day" :)

Mojca> Patrick, alles gutes zum Geburtstag!  Taco, van harte
Mojca> gefeliciteerd met je verjaardag!

Long (and healthily) live Patrick & Taco to make ConTeXt mainstream
typesetting system!

Ohh, did I forget about those Emacs-patches :-D


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals

2008-06-06 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mojca> But you can always consult about details in Bohinj :)

Hey, what is this:

Sunday  (24.08.)  Hard work all day (& night) long

Not even a free Sunday?

That's heretic ;)


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals

2008-06-06 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mojca> But you can always consult about details in Bohinj :)

Well, I'm considering to visit for a few days...let's see.

Last week-end we were in Logarska Dolina (na Rinki).


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals

2008-06-06 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hans> you can try to read our minds; mojca is very good in that -)

Heh, this feature God marked as 'female-only' ;)


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals

2008-06-05 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hmm,
Mojca> Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future
Mojca> LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web
Mojca> server is already there, print server and post script interpreter
Mojca> not far away from being done, fonts are there, editor support may
Mojca> come from Jonathan Kew, international support is there, login
Mojca> mechanism is probably also hidden somewhere already [reading from
Mojca> zip files and from web etc.]  ...)

Where can one find more about the above stuff or everything is sealed in
some big box deep under the earth's surface?


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Re: [NTG-context] markup format ---> ConTeXt (Out of Topic)

2008-06-04 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Maurice" == Maurice Diamantini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hi!

Excuse me for the noise...

Maurice> port info ghc => ghc 6.8.2, Revision 3, lang/ghc (Variants:
Maurice> universal, darwin_6, darwin_7, darwin_8_powerpc, darwin_8_i386,
Maurice> darwin_9_powerpc, darwin_9_i386, no_opengl) http://haskell.org/

but just received another message from pandoc dev:

"Thanks!  As luck would have it, the patch was committed to macports
just after your message.  So the workaround should no longer be
necessary -- after a 'port sync', pandoc should again be installable
using macports."

Pls. try it!


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Re: [NTG-context] markup format ---> ConTeXt (Out of Topic)

2008-06-04 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Maurice" == Maurice Diamantini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Maurice> Le 4 juin 08 à 15:34, Gour a écrit :

Hello!

Maurice> port info ghc => ghc 6.8.2, Revision 3, lang/ghc (Variants:
Maurice> universal, darwin_6, darwin_7, darwin_8_powerpc, darwin_8_i386,
Maurice> darwin_9_powerpc, darwin_9_i386, no_opengl) http://haskell.org/

Here is the reply from pandoc main developer:

"This problem was introduced when MacPorts updated to the most recent
version of the haddock documentation tool.  I submitted a patch to
MacPorts a long time ago, but nobody has committed it to the repository.
(The committer who looked at the patch has had trouble building
GHC 6.8.2 on his Mac, so he can't test the pandoc patch.)

There's a description of a workaround here:
http://groups.google.com/group/pandoc-discuss/browse_thread/thread/c9ecef59465c12c6";


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Re: [NTG-context] markup format ---> ConTeXt

2008-06-04 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Maurice" == Maurice Diamantini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Maurice> About docbook: --

Maurice> But one current need is about docbook, because file already
Maurice> exists as a "dokuwiki hacked" generated file (by a php expert
Maurice> from jelix team) !  So other wiki format is not an option?
Maurice> docbook is request

Export Docbook to html and then import (e.g. with pandoc) into
e.g. markdown ;)


Maurice> But Gour said alsewhere:
>> ...it doesn’t handle tables,...

pandoc's extended markdown handles tables.


Which ghc?


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Re: [NTG-context] markup format ---> ConTeXt

2008-06-03 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Maurice" == Maurice Diamantini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Maurice> Just some remarks/questions: - docbook seems to be the standard
Maurice> for describing documentation data, - dblatex seams to be a
Maurice> currently good supported tools for **easely** provide pdf
Maurice> output from docbook input, and cutomize the output with .xsl
Maurice> parameters or LaTeX .sty files - dbcontext seams not to be
Maurice> maintained very much - ConTeXt seams to be able to directly
Maurice> parse xml without external tools

Heh, for me (and I'm not alone), docbook is an overkill for many
documentation tasks - way too big :-/

Maurice> If ConTeXt provide an easy way for translate docbook to pdf
Maurice> file (usable by a non (ie. not yet) ConTeXt user as dblatex
Maurice> is), I think poeple could switch to ConTeXt only for that
Maurice> feature (not everybody have dependency with LaTeX!)  Then the
Maurice> problem would resume to find a good "yourPreferedWikiFormat" to
Maurice> docbook...  (I'v not seen any "t-bocbook" file on
Maurice> http://dl.contextgarden.net/modules)


Take a look at http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ - it uses 'extended'
markdown syntax and can export to ConTeXt.

If pandoc would not be enough for our documentation needs, I'd probably
look at reST or Asciidoc which do Docbook, but no ConTeXt back-end :-(


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Re: [NTG-context] markup format ---> ConTeXt

2008-05-30 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Aditya" == Aditya Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hello Mahajan ;)

Aditya> Have a look at pandoc which converts markdown to ConTeXt and
Aditya> also to many other formats including html. There was also some
Aditya> discussion for conversion to OO, but I do not know the current
Aditya> status of that.

Heh, shortly after posting to the list I found out about pandoc.

One thing which worries me is the info from user-guide: "...For example,
it doesn’t handle tables, option lists, or footnotes." 

Do you have any experience with pandoc and reST as well as quality of
ConTeXt output?

It looks that markdown is first class citizen in pandoc, but no idea how
it compares with ReST.


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[NTG-context] markup format ---> ConTeXt

2008-05-30 Thread Gour
Hi!

At the moment I use Emacs Muse for writing my study notes which I then
have to submit as *.doc file (muse --> html -> OO --> doc).

I like it 'cause it enables me to combine all the notes and convert into
ConTeXt later.

However, the only disadvantage of it is that Muse markup is tied to
Emacs editor and not so popular for those using other editors. Therefore
I am considering some other 'easy' markup with the ConTeXt back-end.

Some of the more popular markup-formats are AsciiDoc
(http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/index.html) and reStructuredText
(http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html), but according to what I see
both are missing ConTeXt back-end (latex only) :-(

Any suggestion for 'popular' markup with ConTexT back-end?


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Re: [NTG-context] [LUATEX] uname() volunteers needed

2008-05-21 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Taco" == Taco Hoekwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hi!

Taco> Thanks in advance, Taco

Output on my x86-64 laptop

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~> uname -a
Linux nitai 2.6.24-zen5-20080404 #6 SMP PREEMPT Fri Apr 4 13:18:03 CEST
2008 x86_64 AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile ML-34 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

gives:

sysname:  Linux
nodename: nitai
release:  2.6.24-zen5-20080404
version:  #6 SMP PREEMPT Fri Apr 4 13:18:03 CEST 2008
machine:  x86_64


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Minimals & NixoS

2008-05-06 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Mojca> I got exactly the same question asked yesterday (concerning Mac
Mojca> installer).

Interesting...something is in the ether ;)

Mojca> I don't know anyone who would be volunteering to do torture
Mojca> tests, except that Sanjoy did some basic work by collecing test
Mojca> files, but they do not run automatically, and a more extensive
Mojca> system is needed.

In ~two weeks I'll finish with some other assignments and then there
will be more time for testing as well.

Mojca> Te main idea about the minimals was to reduce web traffic by
Mojca> providing a quick way to update o the latest version o
Mojca> everything. In the case of a proper package one till needs to
Mojca> download 100 MB each time and has no option to choose what to
Mojca> install. But that's fine by me if people want to use the files
Mojca> that way. 

I see that Minimals offer great advantage for those not wanting to taint
their texlive installations as well as those using e.g. ConTeXt/luaTeX
only.

Mojca> However, torture tests are waiting for volunteers. It's not a
Mojca> problem to provide stable snapshot, but to decide which one is
Mojca> stable.

It does not matter. If the newer 'stable' snapshot is broken, it's easy
(in NixOS) to just rollback ;)

Thank you for your work on Minimals. I'll join to help...


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Minimals & NixoS

2008-05-05 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mojca> I can put any files on the server and can reshuffle them if
Mojca> needed, but you need to send me some kind of specifications what
Mojca> exactly you need. 

Well, I'm mostly interested if there is a plan to make some kind of
'release' for Minimals, or periodically to provide a kind of 'stable
snapshot' 'cause rsync-update in not in 'sync' with NiXOS philosophy?

Mojca> I can also put a nixos package to the garden, but you need to
Mojca> prepare it (and possibly provide the proper binaries). Try to
Mojca> shuffle the files on your local machine and play with it to see
Mojca> if it works.

Unfortunately, due to Murphy's law, the main server (no mirrors yet) is
still down from the last week (it hit right before the holidays in
Netherlands), so I'm waiting for a server to come back online (probably
tomorrow).

Then I can install NiXOS and play with Minimals.

Mojca> Would you like to provide sources or binaries?

I'd like to provide both - source expression can go into NiXOS's svn
trunk, while it would be nice to have binaries available at
contextgarden.

Mojca> Man pages? Improve mtx-update.lua? Some other things as well,
Mojca> I'll try to move everything to the new server in some reasonable
Mojca> time.

Thank you for reply. Let me move my laptop to NixOS first, then I plan
to help having Minimals available for it.


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Re: [NTG-context] minimal example for Cyrillic

2008-05-05 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Mikael" == Mikael Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mikael> Please update it with the current example. I think everybody
Mikael> agree that the solution from this thread is the way to go.

I can update the wiki, but the question is what about those users not using
MKIV or XeTeX?


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Re: [NTG-context] minimal example for Cyrillic

2008-04-29 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Wolfgang" == <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Wolfgang> You could also write

Wolfgang> % engine=xetex

Wolfgang> or

Wolfgang> texexec --xtx myfile

Thanks. I know about that and checked that it works with both xetex and
luatex, although I'm mostly interested in luatex.

Wolfgang> As Hraban told you need a font with the symbols.

Right. Therefore it would be nice to have working example on wiki.


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Re: [NTG-context] minimal example for Cyrillic

2008-04-29 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Wolfgang" == <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Wolfgang> You could also write

Wolfgang> % engine=xetex

Wolfgang> or

Wolfgang> texexec --xtx myfile

Thanks. I know about that and checked that it works with both xetex and
luatex, although I'm mostly interested in luatex.

Wolfgang> As Hraban told you need a font with the symbols.

Right. Therefore it would be nice to have working example on wiki.


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2008-04-29 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Wolfgang" ==  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Wolfgang> % engine=luatex

[...]

Thanks a lot ;)


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Re: [NTG-context] minimal example for Cyrillic

2008-04-28 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Henning" == Henning Hraban Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Henning> Since I just adapted a ConTeXt based business card generator to
Henning> work with cyrillic type, I can assure that it's possible - with
Henning> XeTeX or LuaTeX.

That's my conviction as well...
Henning> There you just need to encode your sources in UTF-8 and use
Henning> OpenType fonts that contain cyrillic glyphs, like TeX Gyre.

...however an (working) example or two would help.

The guy tried example (which I posted here) from Contextgarden and based
on that concluded that ConTeXt does not support Cyrillic.


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Minimals & NixoS

2008-04-28 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Taco" == Taco Hoekwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Taco> It sounds intriguing, but I have no time to look into it.

Yes, it is, but it's better for you to wait a bit and do luatex. NixOS
will hopefully become more user-friendly with the time.

Let me help 'em to have proper luatex support...


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Minimals & NixoS

2008-04-28 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Taco" == Taco Hoekwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Taco> If it has .dev or .rpm (or an import function thereof) you could
Taco> use Norberts packages instead of the 'upstream' releases?

No it uses source deployment, although it's possible to use binaries as
well.

NixOS puts all the build packages in separate folder and does not use
standard /usr /lib /lib etc. folders, but one is assured that build deps
are always correct, as well as ability to e.g. have multiple versions of
some libs, atomic updates, easy to rollback to some previous
'generation'...see
http://nixos.org/releases/nix/nix-0.11/manual/#sec-profiles

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[NTG-context] minimal example for Cyrillic

2008-04-28 Thread Gour
Hello!

I was able to persuade one user to prepare ConTeXt package for NixOS
distro, but, unfortunately, being from Russia he quickly discovered that
he minimal example from wiki (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Russian)
does not work, i.e.

\enableregime[utf]
\useencoding[cyr]

\definetypeface [russian]
  [rm] [serif] [computer-modern] [default] [encoding=t2a]

\setupbodyfont[russian]
\starttext
Мама и Папа % Some Russian characters
\stoptext


does transliterate Russian characters.

I do not have any experience working with Cyrillic, so if anyone can
provide minimal working example it would be very nice?

I persistently claimed that "it must work!" :-)


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[NTG-context] ConTeXt Minimals & NixoS

2008-04-28 Thread Gour
Hello!

Soon I plan to move to NixOS (http://nixos.org/) distro which uses
purely functional package manager (Nix) and does not allow 'destructive'
updates which happen with e.g. ConTeXt Minimals and rsync.

I'd like to use Luatex and due to its rapid development I am interested
to know whether it would be feasible to do rsync locally and then
provide Minimals 'snapshot' ? (the question is how to deploy luatex via
Minimals'distro'?)

Anything what can be done to help with Minimals?


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Re: [NTG-context] metapsot vs. graphviz

2008-04-27 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Andrea" == Andrea Valle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Andrea> If you're on mac, you can try NodeBox.
Andrea> http://nodebox.net/code/index.php/Home

No, running Linux and decided I'll try to learn metapost.


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Re: [NTG-context] metapsot vs. graphviz

2008-04-24 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Aditya" == Aditya Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hello Aditya!


Aditya> Metapost is for drawing all kinds of graphics. It give you a
Aditya> very fine control on where to place objects, and is very well
Aditya> integrated with ConTeXt (your labels will be the same font as
Aditya> the rest of the document).  With the new mplib, using metapost
Aditya> in ConTeXt is very fast (for me I do not notice any difference;
Aditya> with mkii it used to take aboud 3-4 sec).

This is very nice feature...

Aditya> Graphviz is good for automatic positioning of nodes. If you have
Aditya> a large number of nodes, it can figure out the best way to place
Aditya> them. There are different versions, dot (for directed graphs),
Aditya> circo (for circular graphs), neato (for undirected graphs), fps
Aditya> (uses a different model for undirected graphs). For most of the
Aditya> cases, the output is average: the node placement is very good,
Aditya> but then it is difficult to get tex to process the labels, it is
Aditya> limited in terms of color effects that you can get. I find it
Aditya> very hard to modify the output.

I will probably not deal with many modes, but having support for all
kinds of graphics is preferred.

Aditya> Graphiz does give metapost output, but I found it to be a bit
Aditya> akward to use. The good part about graphiz is that is very easy
Aditya> to learn, and for most cases the output is acceptable.

But, as you wrote above, it is not a 'general' graphic package?

Aditya> There is dot2tex, which a python script that converts from dot
Aditya> (graphviz) to tikz. I have not tried it, but from the examples
Aditya> it appears to remove all the drawbacks of integrated graphviz
Aditya> with tex. It is tailored towards integration with latex, but it
Aditya> should not be too hard to configure it for context.

Thanks a lot for your input.

It seems that metapost is not the most easy way, but considering that
luatex & context are future, it looks worth to sit & have metafun ;)


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[NTG-context] metapsot vs. graphviz

2008-04-24 Thread Gour
Hi!

While writing some written assignments I have a need to draw some simple
diagrams.

Tried with Dia, but it's not superb. That's why I'm thinking about
learning some graphic programming language...

Anyone familiar with metapost & graphviz can write few words how the two
compare?

Any other suggestion?

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Re: [NTG-context] GNU Emacs - Context Command Reference

2008-04-24 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Suno" == Suno Ano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Suno> However, since I am a big GNU Info fanboy -- I love to not leave
Suno> Emacs while writing Context source etc. -- I was looking for
Suno> something "faster" than fiddling around with some PDF manual
Suno> respectively the on-line command reference. I am now using [1]
Suno> which works quite nice [2] ...

Heh, same here...I'd like to have all docs available in emacs...

iirc, Patrick spoke sometime ago that he might update etexshow...


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Re: [NTG-context] Discussion: correspondence with ConTeXt

2008-04-17 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Wolfgang" == <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Wolfgang> LaTeX has two packages to create invoices and we could also
Wolfgang> have one for ConTeXt but it makes only sense to use it with
Wolfgang> LuaTeX, TeX's arithmetic to limited for longer calculations.

Let me just say that I'd found a use for invoices and letters in ConTeXt
with LuaTeX...


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTEXt - produced book

2008-04-08 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Andrea" == Andrea Valle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Andrea> Always asked for.  But nobody raise a hand...:-)

Andrea> I would read it eagerly

I would even buy it ;)

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTEXt - produced book

2008-04-08 Thread Gour
>>>>> "Henning" == Henning Hraban Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Henning> How about a list of books (or everything else) made with
Henning> ConTeXt?

How about to make book about ConTeXt?


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt book

2008-02-06 Thread Gour
>>>>> "PChot" == PChot  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

PChot> I believe that no one would print this on printer. So I wonder if
PChot> there would be interest for published book?

I'd buy a book for sure, but in the meantime printed the above stuff in
local copy-shop and put in spiral binding ;)

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