Re: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 4 Dec 2009 at 15:42, Sean Rector  wrote:

> My 1st HD was a 20MB Apple for my ][GS - back in 1987.

My first HDD was a $399 20mb Full Height 5-1/4" Seagate for my Zenith Z-152 
desktop, probably at the end of '87 or '88. I paid $3k for that machine with 
320k of RAM, dual 5-1/4" floppies (no HDD), a green monochrome monitor, and an 
Okidate ML-92 9-pin printer (which I still have). I souped it up from 4.77 MHz 
to 7 MHz with a V-20 chip and added RAM to 1 megabyte.  Also souped up my modem 
from a 1200-baud external to a 2400-baud external, after which I could no 
longer read the Compuserve forums as they downloaded -- had to get OzCIS to 
download the forums and read them off-line.

I ran a Wildcat BBS on that machine for many years  finally gave it away to 
my kid's preschool with a bunch of learning games after upgrading it to CGA ;-)



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
~!



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: HP drive sleds

[Richard Stovall]

The ones we have are the DL360 G4p model with SATA.

http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12166_div/12166_div.html

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Brian Desmond wrote:

> *Might be a DL320? *
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *c – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 04, 2009 8:56 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: HP drive sleds
>
>
>
> I'll check next week, but I know there is no ACU or ADU installed when you
> deploy the server with a SmartStart CD.  Maybe something in the BIOS is
> configurable for RAID, but I'm pretty sure I've looked there too.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:
>
> You sure ?  DL360 ?  I thought they all came with the Raid 0/1 SMART
> controller embedded, but then I never got a DL360 with SATA
>
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Stovall [mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: HP drive sleds
>
> Is the custom firmware bit true for the HP SATA drives as well?  I would
> never dream of using non-HP SCSI or FC drives, but I've got I've got a
> couple of out of warranty DL360s (not currently in use) and the old 80GB
> SATA drives in them would definitely need to be replaced if I ever put them
> back in to service.  There is no RAID controller on these, btw.
>
> Thanks,
> RS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:27 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: HP drive sleds
>
> With all due respect, you're still ignoring the fact that the HP drive
> controllers are designed to work with drives that have HP firmware ( and
> they provide firmware updates for them too )
>
> You can always find sleds and old drives from the refurb companies and then
> you can put whatever drive you want at your own risk.  Seems stupid to me
> though, like buying a high performance car and then complaining when you
> find out you have to buy the expensive high octane gas, when you think the
> performance engine should run on low octane.
>
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>
> Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
> replacement?
>
> Backups are good, m'kay?
>
> I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven Peck
> [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> 11:10:07 -0800
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>
>
> > You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> > HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> > pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> >
> > You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> > service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> >
> > Steven
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> >  wrote:
> > > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard
> > > drives from
> > the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> > >
> > > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> > insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
> > pass their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can
> > feel confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and
> > all, but it still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard
> > drive, shrink wrapped from Western Digital.
> > >
> > > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
> > > tested
> > and guaranteed by HP.
> > >
> > >
> > > --Matt Ross
> > > Ephrata School District
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Phillip Partipilo
> > > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > > 10:50:53 -0800
> > > Subject: HP drive sleds
> > >
> > >
> > >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
> > >> somebody else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took
> > >> delivery of a
> > HP
> > >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
> >  No
> > >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
> > >> cage without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive
> > >> when I can
> > get
> > >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to

RE: HP drive sleds

[Brian Desmond]

Might be a DL320?

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds

I'll check next week, but I know there is no ACU or ADU installed when you 
deploy the server with a SmartStart CD.  Maybe something in the BIOS is 
configurable for RAID, but I'm pretty sure I've looked there too.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Erik Goldoff 
mailto:egold...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You sure ?  DL360 ?  I thought they all came with the Raid 0/1 SMART
controller embedded, but then I never got a DL360 with SATA



Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security


-Original Message-
From: Richard Stovall 
[mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

Is the custom firmware bit true for the HP SATA drives as well?  I would
never dream of using non-HP SCSI or FC drives, but I've got I've got a
couple of out of warranty DL360s (not currently in use) and the old 80GB
SATA drives in them would definitely need to be replaced if I ever put them
back in to service.  There is no RAID controller on these, btw.

Thanks,
RS

-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

With all due respect, you're still ignoring the fact that the HP drive
controllers are designed to work with drives that have HP firmware ( and
they provide firmware updates for them too )

You can always find sleds and old drives from the refurb companies and then
you can put whatever drive you want at your own risk.  Seems stupid to me
though, like buying a high performance car and then complaining when you
find out you have to buy the expensive high octane gas, when you think the
performance engine should run on low octane.



Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross 
[mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds

Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
replacement?

Backups are good, m'kay?

I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven Peck
[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
11:10:07 -0800
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds


> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
>
> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
>
> Steven
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org>> wrote:
> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard
> > drives from
> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> >
> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
> pass their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can
> feel confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and
> all, but it still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard
> drive, shrink wrapped from Western Digital.
> >
> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
> > tested
> and guaranteed by HP.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > 10:50:53 -0800
> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> >
> >
> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
> >> somebody else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took
> >> delivery of a
> HP
> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
>  No
> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
> >> cage without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive
> >> when I can
> get
> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up
> >> and
> ship
> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> empty
> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still

Re: HP drive sleds

[Andrew Laya]

I have the same. It relies on software RAID under Windows. Would be
nice if it had a hardware controller.


On 12/4/09, Richard Stovall  wrote:
> I'll check next week, but I know there is no ACU or ADU installed when you
> deploy the server with a SmartStart CD.  Maybe something in the BIOS is
> configurable for RAID, but I'm pretty sure I've looked there too.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:
>
>> You sure ?  DL360 ?  I thought they all came with the Raid 0/1 SMART
>> controller embedded, but then I never got a DL360 with SATA
>>
>>
>>
>> Erik Goldoff
>> IT  Consultant
>> Systems, Networks, & Security
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Richard Stovall [mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com]
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:04 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: HP drive sleds
>>
>> Is the custom firmware bit true for the HP SATA drives as well?  I would
>> never dream of using non-HP SCSI or FC drives, but I've got I've got a
>> couple of out of warranty DL360s (not currently in use) and the old 80GB
>> SATA drives in them would definitely need to be replaced if I ever put
>> them
>> back in to service.  There is no RAID controller on these, btw.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> RS
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:27 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: HP drive sleds
>>
>> With all due respect, you're still ignoring the fact that the HP drive
>> controllers are designed to work with drives that have HP firmware ( and
>> they provide firmware updates for them too )
>>
>> You can always find sleds and old drives from the refurb companies and
>> then
>> you can put whatever drive you want at your own risk.  Seems stupid to me
>> though, like buying a high performance car and then complaining when you
>> find out you have to buy the expensive high octane gas, when you think the
>> performance engine should run on low octane.
>>
>>
>>
>> Erik Goldoff
>> IT  Consultant
>> Systems, Networks, & Security
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:15 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>>
>> Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
>> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for
>> a
>> replacement?
>>
>> Backups are good, m'kay?
>>
>> I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
>>
>>
>> --Matt Ross
>> Ephrata School District
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Steven Peck
>> [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
>> 11:10:07 -0800
>> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>>
>>
>> > You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
>> > HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
>> > pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
>> >
>> > You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
>> > service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
>> >
>> > Steven
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
>> >  wrote:
>> > > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard
>> > > drives from
>> > the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
>> > >
>> > > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
>> > insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
>> > pass their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can
>> > feel confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and
>> > all, but it still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard
>> > drive, shrink wrapped from Western Digital.
>> > >
>> > > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
>> > > tested
>> > and guaranteed by HP.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --Matt Ross
>> > > Ephrata School District
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > - Original Message -
>> > > From: Phillip Partipilo
>> > > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
>> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> > > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
>> > > 10:50:53 -0800
>> > > Subject: HP drive sleds
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
>> > >> somebody else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took
>> > >> delivery of a
>> > HP
>> > >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the
>> > >> cage.
>> >  No
>> > >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
>> > >> cage without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive
>> > >> when I can
>> > get
>> > >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up
>> > >> and
>> > ship
>> > >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
>> > empty
>> > >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I k

Re: HP drive sleds

[Richard Stovall]

I'll check next week, but I know there is no ACU or ADU installed when you
deploy the server with a SmartStart CD.  Maybe something in the BIOS is
configurable for RAID, but I'm pretty sure I've looked there too.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:

> You sure ?  DL360 ?  I thought they all came with the Raid 0/1 SMART
> controller embedded, but then I never got a DL360 with SATA
>
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Stovall [mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: HP drive sleds
>
> Is the custom firmware bit true for the HP SATA drives as well?  I would
> never dream of using non-HP SCSI or FC drives, but I've got I've got a
> couple of out of warranty DL360s (not currently in use) and the old 80GB
> SATA drives in them would definitely need to be replaced if I ever put them
> back in to service.  There is no RAID controller on these, btw.
>
> Thanks,
> RS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:27 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: HP drive sleds
>
> With all due respect, you're still ignoring the fact that the HP drive
> controllers are designed to work with drives that have HP firmware ( and
> they provide firmware updates for them too )
>
> You can always find sleds and old drives from the refurb companies and then
> you can put whatever drive you want at your own risk.  Seems stupid to me
> though, like buying a high performance car and then complaining when you
> find out you have to buy the expensive high octane gas, when you think the
> performance engine should run on low octane.
>
>
>
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>
> Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
> replacement?
>
> Backups are good, m'kay?
>
> I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven Peck
> [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> 11:10:07 -0800
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>
>
> > You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> > HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> > pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> >
> > You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> > service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> >
> > Steven
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> >  wrote:
> > > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard
> > > drives from
> > the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> > >
> > > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> > insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
> > pass their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can
> > feel confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and
> > all, but it still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard
> > drive, shrink wrapped from Western Digital.
> > >
> > > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
> > > tested
> > and guaranteed by HP.
> > >
> > >
> > > --Matt Ross
> > > Ephrata School District
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Phillip Partipilo
> > > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > > 10:50:53 -0800
> > > Subject: HP drive sleds
> > >
> > >
> > >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
> > >> somebody else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took
> > >> delivery of a
> > HP
> > >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
> >  No
> > >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
> > >> cage without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive
> > >> when I can
> > get
> > >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up
> > >> and
> > ship
> > >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> > empty
> > >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP
> > >> is a solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is
> > >> grinding
> > my
> > >> gears.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Phillip Partipilo
> > >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> > >> Jupiter, Florida
> > >> (561) 747-6107
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> THIS ELECTRONIC MES

RE: HP drive sleds

[Erik Goldoff]

You sure ?  DL360 ?  I thought they all came with the Raid 0/1 SMART
controller embedded, but then I never got a DL360 with SATA  



Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 


-Original Message-
From: Richard Stovall [mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

Is the custom firmware bit true for the HP SATA drives as well?  I would
never dream of using non-HP SCSI or FC drives, but I've got I've got a
couple of out of warranty DL360s (not currently in use) and the old 80GB
SATA drives in them would definitely need to be replaced if I ever put them
back in to service.  There is no RAID controller on these, btw.

Thanks,
RS

-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

With all due respect, you're still ignoring the fact that the HP drive
controllers are designed to work with drives that have HP firmware ( and
they provide firmware updates for them too )

You can always find sleds and old drives from the refurb companies and then
you can put whatever drive you want at your own risk.  Seems stupid to me
though, like buying a high performance car and then complaining when you
find out you have to buy the expensive high octane gas, when you think the
performance engine should run on low octane. 



Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds

Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
replacement?

Backups are good, m'kay?

I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven Peck
[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
11:10:07 -0800
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds


> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call 
> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the 
> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> 
> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the 
> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> 
> Steven
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross 
>  wrote:
> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard 
> > drives from
> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> >
> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not 
> pass their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can 
> feel confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and 
> all, but it still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard 
> drive, shrink wrapped from Western Digital.
> >
> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well 
> > tested
> and guaranteed by HP.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > 10:50:53 -0800
> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> >
> >
> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to 
> >> somebody else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took 
> >> delivery of a
> HP
> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
>  No
> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty 
> >> cage without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive 
> >> when I can
> get
> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up 
> >> and
> ship
> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> empty
> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP 
> >> is a solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is 
> >> grinding
> my
> >> gears.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phillip Partipilo
> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> >> Jupiter, Florida
> >> (561) 747-6107
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND 
> >> PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS INTENDED FOR 
> >> USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION, COPYING, 
> >> ACCESSING, OR DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED.
> >> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY 
> >> NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT 
> >> FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
> >>
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a reso

RE: HP drive sleds

[Richard Stovall]

Is the custom firmware bit true for the HP SATA drives as well?  I would never 
dream of using non-HP SCSI or FC drives, but I've got I've got a couple of out 
of warranty DL360s (not currently in use) and the old 80GB SATA drives in them 
would definitely need to be replaced if I ever put them back in to service.  
There is no RAID controller on these, btw.

Thanks,
RS

-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

With all due respect, you're still ignoring the fact that the HP drive
controllers are designed to work with drives that have HP firmware ( and
they provide firmware updates for them too )

You can always find sleds and old drives from the refurb companies and then
you can put whatever drive you want at your own risk.  Seems stupid to me
though, like buying a high performance car and then complaining when you
find out you have to buy the expensive high octane gas, when you think the
performance engine should run on low octane. 



Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds

Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
replacement?

Backups are good, m'kay?

I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven Peck
[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
11:10:07 -0800
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds


> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call 
> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the 
> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> 
> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the 
> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> 
> Steven
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross 
>  wrote:
> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard 
> > drives from
> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> >
> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not 
> pass their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can 
> feel confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and 
> all, but it still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard 
> drive, shrink wrapped from Western Digital.
> >
> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well 
> > tested
> and guaranteed by HP.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > 10:50:53 -0800
> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> >
> >
> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to 
> >> somebody else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took 
> >> delivery of a
> HP
> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
>  No
> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty 
> >> cage without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive 
> >> when I can
> get
> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up 
> >> and
> ship
> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> empty
> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP 
> >> is a solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is 
> >> grinding
> my
> >> gears.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phillip Partipilo
> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> >> Jupiter, Florida
> >> (561) 747-6107
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND 
> >> PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS INTENDED FOR 
> >> USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION, COPYING, 
> >> ACCESSING, OR DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED.
> >> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY 
> >> NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT 
> >> FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
> >>
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ 
> >> ~   ~
> >>
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> >   ~
> >
> >
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> 

RE: HyperV on same server as SCVMM-2K8R2

[Michael B. Smith]

Will it work? Probably.

Is it supported? No.

The hyper-v root/parent partition is only supported when dedicated to hyper-v.


From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: HyperV on same server as SCVMM-2K8R2

I need to move a few VMs from a MSVS-2K5  server for a short period so I can 
format and re-install the host machine with 2008R2 and HyperV.  Then migrate 
them back.

Does anyone know if there is any problem running HyperV on the same machine as 
SCVMM-2K8-R2?  There is plenty of memory and space of the SCVMM machine and I 
just need to use it for maybe a day.

Thanks, BF.





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

HyperV on same server as SCVMM-2K8R2

[Bob Fronk]

I need to move a few VMs from a MSVS-2K5  server for a short period so I can 
format and re-install the host machine with 2008R2 and HyperV.  Then migrate 
them back.

Does anyone know if there is any problem running HyperV on the same machine as 
SCVMM-2K8-R2?  There is plenty of memory and space of the SCVMM machine and I 
just need to use it for maybe a day.

Thanks, BF.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: HP drive sleds

[Kurt Buff]

It's not a matter of 'can't be read' - it's a matter of 'the ROM is
just different enough that the read/write commands don't work the same
between all of the drives in the array, and data keeps getting
corrupted'. It usually boils down to a timing issue, and it's subtle
and nasty when it hits, sometimes causing BSOD, and sometimes a disk
check on every reboot, and sometimes just general system slowness as
the RAID controller tries to compensate. Or other oddities.

I'm becoming less of a fan of hardware RAID, beyond RAID1.

Kurt

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 14:34, Matthew W. Ross  wrote:
> So you're saying you've bumped into different revs of drives that won't be 
> read by different SATA controllers?
>
> Now that's nasty! I have NEVER had a drive not been recognized by a standard 
> controller (3ware, LSI, Adaptec, etc).
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff
> [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> 14:24:28 -0800
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>
>
>> I doubt he was implying that.
>>
>> However, It's really hard to get retail drives that are of the exact
>> same rev of their BIOS, and are guaranteed to interoperate with your
>> RAID card. This becomes especially problematic if you don't overbuy
>> (to provide one or more shelf spares) and have to replace one of the
>> drives later.
>>
>> I know - I've been bitten by this, with a 3ware card. I have to assume
>> that the same issue can crop up with other RAID cards, including HP
>> and Dell.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 13:44, Matthew W. Ross 
>> wrote:
>> > I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm
>> going to assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise.
>> >
>> > Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do
>> get what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to
>> pay much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive.
>> >
>> > An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford
>> dealer, and it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can
>> purchase the same Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a
>> different dealer, for $25k, without the maintenance package... I'd probably
>> buy the cheaper truck.
>> >
>> >
>> > --Matt Ross
>> > Ephrata School District
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: Steven Peck
>> > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
>> > 12:22:42 -0800
>> > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>> >
>> >
>> >> I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely.  Merely
>> >> why there was a cost to buying quality products with support.
>> >>
>> >> m'kay?
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep
>> me
>> >> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for
>> a
>> >> replacement?
>> >> >
>> >> > Backups are good, m'kay?
>> >> >
>> >> > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --Matt Ross
>> >> > Ephrata School District
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > - Original Message -
>> >> > From: Steven Peck
>> >> > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
>> >> > 11:10:07 -0800
>> >> > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
>> >> >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
>> >> >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
>> >> >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steven
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard
>> drives
>> >> from
>> >> >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
>> >> >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
>> >> pass
>> >> >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel
>> >> >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all,
>> but
>> >> it
>> >> >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink
>> >> >> wrapped from Western Digital.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
>> >> tested
>> >> >> and guaranteed by HP.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --Matt Ross
>> >> >> > Ephrata School District
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > - Original Message -
>> >> 

Re: HP drive sleds

[Matthew W. Ross]

So you're saying you've bumped into different revs of drives that won't be read 
by different SATA controllers?

Now that's nasty! I have NEVER had a drive not been recognized by a standard 
controller (3ware, LSI, Adaptec, etc).


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff
[mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
14:24:28 -0800
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds


> I doubt he was implying that.
> 
> However, It's really hard to get retail drives that are of the exact
> same rev of their BIOS, and are guaranteed to interoperate with your
> RAID card. This becomes especially problematic if you don't overbuy
> (to provide one or more shelf spares) and have to replace one of the
> drives later.
> 
> I know - I've been bitten by this, with a 3ware card. I have to assume
> that the same issue can crop up with other RAID cards, including HP
> and Dell.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 13:44, Matthew W. Ross 
> wrote:
> > I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm
> going to assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise.
> >
> > Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do
> get what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to
> pay much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive.
> >
> > An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford
> dealer, and it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can
> purchase the same Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a
> different dealer, for $25k, without the maintenance package... I'd probably
> buy the cheaper truck.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Steven Peck
> > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > 12:22:42 -0800
> > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
> >
> >
> >> I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely.  Merely
> >> why there was a cost to buying quality products with support.
> >>
> >> m'kay?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep
> me
> >> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for
> a
> >> replacement?
> >> >
> >> > Backups are good, m'kay?
> >> >
> >> > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --Matt Ross
> >> > Ephrata School District
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: Steven Peck
> >> > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> >> > 11:10:07 -0800
> >> > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> >> >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> >> >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> >> >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Steven
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard
> drives
> >> from
> >> >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> >> >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
> >> pass
> >> >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel
> >> >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all,
> but
> >> it
> >> >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink
> >> >> wrapped from Western Digital.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
> >> tested
> >> >> and guaranteed by HP.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --Matt Ross
> >> >> > Ephrata School District
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - Original Message -
> >> >> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> >> >> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> >> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> >> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> >> >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> >> >> > 10:50:53 -0800
> >> >> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
> >> somebody
> >> >> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery
> of
> >> a
> >> >> HP
> >> >> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the
> cage.
> >> >>  No
> >> >> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
> >> cage
> >> >> >> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I
> >> can
> >> 

Re: HP drive sleds

[Kurt Buff]

I doubt he was implying that.

However, It's really hard to get retail drives that are of the exact
same rev of their BIOS, and are guaranteed to interoperate with your
RAID card. This becomes especially problematic if you don't overbuy
(to provide one or more shelf spares) and have to replace one of the
drives later.

I know - I've been bitten by this, with a 3ware card. I have to assume
that the same issue can crop up with other RAID cards, including HP
and Dell.

Kurt

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 13:44, Matthew W. Ross  wrote:
> I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm going 
> to assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise.
>
> Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do get 
> what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to pay 
> much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive.
>
> An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford dealer, 
> and it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can purchase the 
> same Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a different dealer, for 
> $25k, without the maintenance package... I'd probably buy the cheaper truck.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven Peck
> [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> 12:22:42 -0800
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>
>
>> I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely.  Merely
>> why there was a cost to buying quality products with support.
>>
>> m'kay?
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross
>>  wrote:
>> > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
>> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
>> replacement?
>> >
>> > Backups are good, m'kay?
>> >
>> > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
>> >
>> >
>> > --Matt Ross
>> > Ephrata School District
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: Steven Peck
>> > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
>> > 11:10:07 -0800
>> > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>> >
>> >
>> >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
>> >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
>> >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
>> >>
>> >> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
>> >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
>> >>
>> >> Steven
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard drives
>> from
>> >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
>> >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
>> pass
>> >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel
>> >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, but
>> it
>> >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink
>> >> wrapped from Western Digital.
>> >> >
>> >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
>> tested
>> >> and guaranteed by HP.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --Matt Ross
>> >> > Ephrata School District
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > - Original Message -
>> >> > From: Phillip Partipilo
>> >> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
>> >> > 10:50:53 -0800
>> >> > Subject: HP drive sleds
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
>> somebody
>> >> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of
>> a
>> >> HP
>> >> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
>> >>  No
>> >> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
>> cage
>> >> >> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I
>> can
>> >> get
>> >> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up
>> and
>> >> ship
>> >> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
>> >> empty
>> >> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP
>> is a
>> >> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is
>> grinding
>> >> my
>> >> >> gears.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Phillip Partipilo
>> >> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
>> >> >> Jupiter, Florida
>> >> >> (561) 747-6107
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
>> >> >> AND PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS
>> >> >> INTENDED FOR USE BY THE 

Re: HP drive sleds

[John Cook]

I'll buy the used Honda and keep it 10 yrs .


From: James Kerr
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Fri Dec 04 17:21:50 2009
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds

I'd buy the cheaper Ford to because I can fix it myself!
- Original Message -
From: Steve Ens
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds

Solution - Dont' buy a Ford, and you won't need a maintenance package.  ;-)

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org>> wrote:
I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm going to 
assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise.

Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do get 
what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to pay 
much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive.

An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford dealer, and 
it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can purchase the same 
Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a different dealer, for $25k, 
without the maintenance package... I'd probably buy the cheaper truck.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven Peck
[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
12:22:42 -0800
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds


> I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely.  Merely
> why there was a cost to buying quality products with support.
>
> m'kay?
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org>> wrote:
> > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
> replacement?
> >
> > Backups are good, m'kay?
> >
> > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Steven Peck
> > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > 11:10:07 -0800
> > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
> >
> >
> >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> >>
> >> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> >>
> >> Steven
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> >> mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org>> wrote:
> >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard drives
> from
> >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> >> >
> >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
> pass
> >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel
> >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, but
> it
> >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink
> >> wrapped from Western Digital.
> >> >
> >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
> tested
> >> and guaranteed by HP.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --Matt Ross
> >> > Ephrata School District
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> >> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> >> > 10:50:53 -0800
> >> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
> somebody
> >> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of
> a
> >> HP
> >> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
> >>  No
> >> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
> cage
> >> >> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I
> can
> >> get
> >> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up
> and
> >> ship
> >> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> >> empty
> >> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP
> is a
> >> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is
> grinding
> >> my
> >> >> gears.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Phillip Partipilo
> >> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> >> >> Jupiter, Florida
> >> >> (561) 747-6107
>

Re: IDS appliance

[John Cook]

Awesome! Thx, I'll DL it Monday and play with it in my copius spare time (which 
equates to sometime in 2010!)

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Fri Dec 04 17:13:45 2009
Subject: Re: IDS appliance

http://www.alienvault.com/community.php?section=Vmware

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 13:21, John Cook  wrote:
> Any idea if this will run in a VM? Might be worth looking into.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> Systems Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: IDS appliance
>
>
>
> +1
>
> Get the OSS stuff in there first, and get a handle on what your needs
> actually are, then when you find you need something with more features,
> you'll be able to articulate and evaluate that more effectively.
>
> Consider starting with: http://www.untangle.com/
>
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>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich 
> wrote:
>>
>> Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
>> appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
>> to “phone home.” Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
>> catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
>> I’m not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS
>> appliance work?
>>
>>
>
> It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
> watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
> traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.
>
> Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.
>
> In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
> than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
> installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
> it all up in a pretty web interface.
>
> I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.
>
> You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
> install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
> to a central server that aggregates it.
>
> The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
> place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
> to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
> environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
> get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
> environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
> that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
> in your org.
>
> And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
> fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
> you're not extra careful.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: HP drive sleds

[James Kerr]

I'd buy the cheaper Ford to because I can fix it myself!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Ens 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM
  Subject: Re: HP drive sleds


  Solution - Dont' buy a Ford, and you won't need a maintenance package.  ;-)


  On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Matthew W. Ross  
wrote:

I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm 
going to assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise.

Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do 
get what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to 
pay much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive.

An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford dealer, 
and it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can purchase the 
same Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a different dealer, for 
$25k, without the maintenance package... I'd probably buy the cheaper truck.



--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven Peck
[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues

[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009

12:22:42 -0800
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds



> I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely.  Merely
> why there was a cost to buying quality products with support.
>
> m'kay?
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross
>  wrote:
> > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep 
me
> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for 
a
> replacement?
> >
> > Backups are good, m'kay?
> >
> > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Steven Peck
> > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]

> > To: NT System Admin Issues

> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > 11:10:07 -0800
> > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
> >
> >
> >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> >>
> >> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> >>
> >> Steven
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> >>  wrote:
> >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard drives
> from
> >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> >> >
> >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
> pass
> >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel
> >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, but
> it
> >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink
> >> wrapped from Western Digital.
> >> >
> >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
> tested
> >> and guaranteed by HP.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --Matt Ross
> >> > Ephrata School District
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -

> >> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> >> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]

> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues

> >> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> >> > 10:50:53 -0800
> >> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
> somebody
> >> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery 
of
> a
> >> HP
> >> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the 
cage.
> >>  No
> >> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
> cage
> >> >> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I
> can
> >> get
> >> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up
> and
> >> ship
> >> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> >> empty
> >> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP
> is a
> >> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is
> grinding
> >> my
> >> >> gears.
> >> >>
> >> >>

> >> >> Phillip Partipilo
> >> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> >> >> Jupiter, Florida
> >> >> (561) 747-6107
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>

Re: IDS appliance

[Kurt Buff]

If you the switch that your firewall plugs into (on the trusted side)
can span/mirror the firewall port, that will be just what you want.

Kurt

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 13:19, John Aldrich  wrote:
>
> Thanks, guys… I just might do that. ‘Course I have to find a machine first…. 
> ‘specially one that can handle the load. I thought I might put it in between 
> our firewall and the network…… or maybe I’ll find a small hub and put it in 
> there that way….
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: IDS appliance
>
>
>
> +1
>
> Get the OSS stuff in there first, and get a handle on what your needs 
> actually are, then when you find you need something with more features, 
> you'll be able to articulate and evaluate that more effectively.
>
> Consider starting with: http://www.untangle.com/
>
> ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich  
> wrote:
> >
> > Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS 
> > appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries 
> > to “phone home.” Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for 
> > catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that. 
> > I’m not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an 
> > IDS appliance work?
> >
> >
>
> It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
> watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
> traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.
>
> Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.
>
> In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
> than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
> installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
> it all up in a pretty web interface.
>
> I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.
>
> You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
> install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
> to a central server that aggregates it.
>
> The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
> place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
> to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
> environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
> get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
> environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
> that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
> in your org.
>
> And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
> fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
> you're not extra careful.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: IDS appliance

[Kurt Buff]

http://www.alienvault.com/community.php?section=Vmware

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 13:21, John Cook  wrote:
> Any idea if this will run in a VM? Might be worth looking into.
>
>
>
> John W. Cook
>
> Systems Administrator
>
> Partnership For Strong Families
>
> 315 SE 2nd Ave
>
> Gainesville, Fl 32601
>
> Office (352) 393-2741 x320
>
> Cell (352) 215-6944
>
> Fax (352) 393-2746
>
> MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: IDS appliance
>
>
>
> +1
>
> Get the OSS stuff in there first, and get a handle on what your needs
> actually are, then when you find you need something with more features,
> you'll be able to articulate and evaluate that more effectively.
>
> Consider starting with: http://www.untangle.com/
>
> ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich 
> wrote:
>>
>> Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
>> appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
>> to “phone home.” Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
>> catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
>> I’m not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS
>> appliance work?
>>
>>
>
> It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
> watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
> traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.
>
> Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.
>
> In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
> than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
> installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
> it all up in a pretty web interface.
>
> I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.
>
> You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
> install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
> to a central server that aggregates it.
>
> The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
> place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
> to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
> environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
> get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
> environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
> that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
> in your org.
>
> And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
> fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
> you're not extra careful.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Jacob]

My first system was a 386 compaq I bought from Service Merchandise. I think
I paid about $1300 for it.

 

About six month later, I needed to upgrade the hard drive. I do not remember
what the original hard drive was, but the new one was 250MB think.  I do
remember having to use to credit cards to make the purchase…

 

 

From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

Whoa.  I still have my old ST-225 in the closet.  A whopping 200-ish
kilobyte/sec transfer rate. I bet it still works.  We used to have a pretty
large MajorBBS here with game connection, and 4 of us would link up to play
Doom2, and everyone would complain because the game only loaded as fast as
the slowest machine, I guess it had to read the entire couple megabyte WAD
file before it launched.

 

(Yeah I had that on a 486.  Incremental upgrades!)

 

 

Phillip Partipilo

Parametric Solutions Inc.

Jupiter, Florida

(561) 747-6107

 

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

And it was a ST-225N (SCSI) in the Apple enclosure.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

got me beat, my first HD was a Seagate ST-225 20mb MFM in 1990, and I can
buy 2 or 3 SATA 1.5 terabyte drives from Fry's for the same $$$

 

(uphill, in the snow, both ways !  )

 

  Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

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From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

My 1st HD was a 20MB Apple for my ][GS – back in 1987.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in our
original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of them.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

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From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro drives…wish I
had what was paid for them back then 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

 

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have the
drive firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure proper
operation and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big plus from my
experience.  I like knowing that all drives in an array will behave exactly
the same way each time to a commoand from the controller.  And I may have
been one of the lucky ones, but going all the way back to the old Compaq
SystemPro array controller , I've found the SMART array controllers from
Compaq/HP as better than decent, compared to problems I've had with generic
and older Dell PERCs.  Your mileage may vary

 


Erik Goldoff


 

 

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Re: HP drive sleds

[Steve Ens]

Solution - Dont' buy a Ford, and you won't need a maintenance package.  ;-)

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Matthew W. Ross wrote:

> I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm
> going to assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise.
>
> Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do
> get what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to
> pay much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive.
>
> An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford dealer,
> and it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can purchase the
> same Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a different dealer, for
> $25k, without the maintenance package... I'd probably buy the cheaper truck.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven Peck
> [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> 12:22:42 -0800
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>
>
> > I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely.  Merely
> > why there was a cost to buying quality products with support.
> >
> > m'kay?
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> >  wrote:
> > > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep
> me
> > up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for
> a
> > replacement?
> > >
> > > Backups are good, m'kay?
> > >
> > > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
> > >
> > >
> > > --Matt Ross
> > > Ephrata School District
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Steven Peck
> > > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
>  > > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > > 11:10:07 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
> > >
> > >
> > >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> > >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> > >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> > >>
> > >> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> > >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> > >>
> > >> Steven
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard
> drives
> > from
> > >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> > >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
> > pass
> > >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel
> > >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all,
> but
> > it
> > >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink
> > >> wrapped from Western Digital.
> > >> >
> > >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
> > tested
> > >> and guaranteed by HP.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --Matt Ross
> > >> > Ephrata School District
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > - Original Message -
> > >> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> > >> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> > >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>  > >> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > >> > 10:50:53 -0800
> > >> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
> > somebody
> > >> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery
> of
> > a
> > >> HP
> > >> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the
> cage.
> > >>  No
> > >> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
> > cage
> > >> >> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I
> > can
> > >> get
> > >> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up
> > and
> > >> ship
> > >> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> > >> empty
> > >> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP
> > is a
> > >> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is
> > grinding
> > >> my
> > >> >> gears.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Phillip Partipilo
> > >> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> > >> >> Jupiter, Florida
> > >> >> (561) 747-6107
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
>  > >> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
> > >> >> AND PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS
> > >> >> INTENDED FOR USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION,
> > >> >> COPYING, ACCESSING, OR DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED.
> > >> >> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY
> > >> >> NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT
> > >> >> FOR

RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Free, Bob]

I *think* we had some 286 DeskPros but I'm not positive. Up till the
DeskPros we had been using Banyan's proprietary BNS/CNS HW...yuk.
Although, in hindsight,  it was pretty amazing what they could get out
of a 286 or Moto 68000 processor

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

Yep !  First Novell servers were the Compaq Deskpro, the OLD style like
the IBM AT case, with 2x2 drive bays.  Even worked on a few old 286
systems in that form factor.  Back then used to be a big name storage
add-on cabinet that everyone swore by until the SystemPro came out.
Don't know what ever happened to them, but I don't think they made it
far past the DCB SCSI era

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

First Compaq servers I worked on were the 386/25 Deskpros, I think they
had 2 100MBs. We also had some AST crap, when we got the first
SystemPros we thought we died and went to heaven ...

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in
our original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of
them.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro
drives...wish I had what was paid for them back then 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: HP drive sleds

[Matthew W. Ross]

I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm going to 
assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise.

Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do get 
what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to pay 
much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive.

An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford dealer, and 
it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can purchase the same 
Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a different dealer, for $25k, 
without the maintenance package... I'd probably buy the cheaper truck.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven Peck
[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
12:22:42 -0800
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds


> I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely.  Merely
> why there was a cost to buying quality products with support.
> 
> m'kay?
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross
>  wrote:
> > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
> replacement?
> >
> > Backups are good, m'kay?
> >
> > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Steven Peck
> > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > 11:10:07 -0800
> > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
> >
> >
> >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> >>
> >> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> >>
> >> Steven
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> >>  wrote:
> >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard drives
> from
> >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> >> >
> >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
> pass
> >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel
> >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, but
> it
> >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink
> >> wrapped from Western Digital.
> >> >
> >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
> tested
> >> and guaranteed by HP.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --Matt Ross
> >> > Ephrata School District
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> >> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> >> > 10:50:53 -0800
> >> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
> somebody
> >> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of
> a
> >> HP
> >> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
> >>  No
> >> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
> cage
> >> >> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I
> can
> >> get
> >> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up
> and
> >> ship
> >> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> >> empty
> >> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP
> is a
> >> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is
> grinding
> >> my
> >> >> gears.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Phillip Partipilo
> >> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> >> >> Jupiter, Florida
> >> >> (561) 747-6107
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
> >> >> AND PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS
> >> >> INTENDED FOR USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION,
> >> >> COPYING, ACCESSING, OR DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED.
> >> >> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY
> >> >> NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT
> >> >> FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> >> ~   ~
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> > ~   ~
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powe

RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Erik Goldoff]

Yep !  First Novell servers were the Compaq Deskpro, the OLD style like the
IBM AT case, with 2x2 drive bays.  Even worked on a few old 286 systems in
that form factor.  Back then used to be a big name storage add-on cabinet
that everyone swore by until the SystemPro came out.  Don't know what ever
happened to them, but I don't think they made it far past the DCB SCSI era
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds



First Compaq servers I worked on were the 386/25 Deskpros, I think they had
2 100MBs. We also had some AST crap, when we got the first SystemPros we
thought we died and went to heaven .

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in our
original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of them.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro drives.wish I
had what was paid for them back then 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: IDS appliance

[John Cook]

Any idea if this will run in a VM? Might be worth looking into.

John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IDS appliance

+1

Get the OSS stuff in there first, and get a handle on what your needs actually 
are, then when you find you need something with more features, you'll be able 
to articulate and evaluate that more effectively.

Consider starting with: http://www.untangle.com/

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Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
>
> Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS 
> appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries to 
> "phone home." Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for 
> catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that. 
> I'm not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS 
> appliance work?
>
>
It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.

Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.

In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
it all up in a pretty web interface.

I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.

You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
to a central server that aggregates it.

The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
in your org.

And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
you're not extra careful.

Kurt








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RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Free, Bob]

First Compaq servers I worked on were the 386/25 Deskpros, I think they
had 2 100MBs. We also had some AST crap, when we got the first
SystemPros we thought we died and went to heaven ...

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in
our original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of
them.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro
drives...wish I had what was paid for them back then 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

 

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have
the drive firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure
proper operation and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big
plus from my experience.  I like knowing that all drives in an array
will behave exactly the same way each time to a commoand from the
controller.  And I may have been one of the lucky ones, but going all
the way back to the old Compaq SystemPro array controller , I've found
the SMART array controllers from Compaq/HP as better than decent,
compared to problems I've had with generic and older Dell PERCs.  Your
mileage may vary

 


Erik Goldoff


 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Phillip Partipilo]

Whoa.  I still have my old ST-225 in the closet.  A whopping 200-ish
kilobyte/sec transfer rate. I bet it still works.  We used to have a pretty
large MajorBBS here with game connection, and 4 of us would link up to play
Doom2, and everyone would complain because the game only loaded as fast as
the slowest machine, I guess it had to read the entire couple megabyte WAD
file before it launched.

 

(Yeah I had that on a 486.  Incremental upgrades!)

 

 

Phillip Partipilo

Parametric Solutions Inc.

Jupiter, Florida

(561) 747-6107

 

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

And it was a ST-225N (SCSI) in the Apple enclosure.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

got me beat, my first HD was a Seagate ST-225 20mb MFM in 1990, and I can
buy 2 or 3 SATA 1.5 terabyte drives from Fry's for the same $$$

 

(uphill, in the snow, both ways !  )

 

  Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

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From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

My 1st HD was a 20MB Apple for my ][GS – back in 1987.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in our
original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of them.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro drives…wish I
had what was paid for them back then 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

 

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have the
drive firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure proper
operation and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big plus from my
experience.  I like knowing that all drives in an array will behave exactly
the same way each time to a commoand from the controller.  And I may have
been one of the lucky ones, but going all the way back to the old Compaq
SystemPro array controller , I've found the SMART array controllers from
Compaq/HP as better than decent, compared to problems I've had with generic
and older Dell PERCs.  Your mileage may vary

 


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RE: IDS appliance

[John Aldrich]

Well, we already *have* a firewall.. a nice Cisco ASA 5510. :-) I don't need 
another firewall, just an IPS/IDS.



-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IDS appliance

Untangle doesn't look much like an IDS, based on the marketing on the
front page of the web site. It looks more like a web/spam filter.

Another possibility, if you want to set it up as a gateway, is pfsense
- http://pfsense.org - it can add snort and other things as packages
to its firewalling duties. But, that covers only one spot in the
network, though you could certainly argue that it's the most critical
spot.

Kurt

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:36, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> +1
>
> Get the OSS stuff in there first, and get a handle on what your needs
> actually are, then when you find you need something with more features,
> you'll be able to articulate and evaluate that more effectively.
>
> Consider starting with: http://www.untangle.com/
>
> ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
>> > appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
>> > to phone home. Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
>> > catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
>> > Im not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS
>> > appliance work?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
>> watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
>> traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.
>>
>> Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.
>>
>> In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
>> than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
>> installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
>> it all up in a pretty web interface.
>>
>> I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.
>>
>> You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
>> install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
>> to a central server that aggregates it.
>>
>> The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
>> place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
>> to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
>> environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
>> get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
>> environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
>> that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
>> in your org.
>>
>> And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
>> fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
>> you're not extra careful.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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RE: IDS appliance

[John Aldrich]

Thanks, guys. I just might do that. 'Course I have to find a machine first..
'specially one that can handle the load. I thought I might put it in between
our firewall and the network.. or maybe I'll find a small hub and put it in
there that way..

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: IDS appliance

 

+1

Get the OSS stuff in there first, and get a handle on what your needs
actually are, then when you find you need something with more features,
you'll be able to articulate and evaluate that more effectively.

Consider starting with: http://www.untangle.com/ 

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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich 
wrote:
>
> Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
to "phone home." Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
I'm not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS
appliance work?
>
>

It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.

Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.

In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
it all up in a pretty web interface.

I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.

You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
to a central server that aggregates it.

The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
in your org.

And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
you're not extra careful.

Kurt



 

 

 

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RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Sean Rector]

And it was a ST-225N (SCSI) in the Apple enclosure.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

got me beat, my first HD was a Seagate ST-225 20mb MFM in 1990, and I can buy 2 
or 3 SATA 1.5 terabyte drives from Fry's for the same $$$

 

(uphill, in the snow, both ways !  )

 

  Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

My 1st HD was a 20MB Apple for my ][GS - back in 1987.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in our 
original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of them.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro drives...wish I 
had what was paid for them back then 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

 

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have the drive 
firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure proper operation 
and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big plus from my experience.  
I like knowing that all drives in an array will behave exactly the same way 
each time to a commoand from the controller.  And I may have been one of the 
lucky ones, but going all the way back to the old Compaq SystemPro array 
controller , I've found the SMART array controllers from Compaq/HP as better 
than decent, compared to problems I've had with generic and older Dell PERCs.  
Your mileage may vary

 


Erik Goldoff


 

 

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Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org  
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Sean Rector]

With a hurricane blowing!

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

got me beat, my first HD was a Seagate ST-225 20mb MFM in 1990, and I can buy 2 
or 3 SATA 1.5 terabyte drives from Fry's for the same $$$

 

(uphill, in the snow, both ways !  )

 

  Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

My 1st HD was a 20MB Apple for my ][GS - back in 1987.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in our 
original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of them.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro drives...wish I 
had what was paid for them back then 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

 

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have the drive 
firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure proper operation 
and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big plus from my experience.  
I like knowing that all drives in an array will behave exactly the same way 
each time to a commoand from the controller.  And I may have been one of the 
lucky ones, but going all the way back to the old Compaq SystemPro array 
controller , I've found the SMART array controllers from Compaq/HP as better 
than decent, compared to problems I've had with generic and older Dell PERCs.  
Your mileage may vary

 


Erik Goldoff


 

 

Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org  
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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RE: VPN Client issue

[Todd Lemmiksoo]

I would also like to know if something like this will work on SonicWall.
We have the MOST trouble with there client hosing the TCP stack.
 
Todd



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VPN Client issue



Dunno... don't have em.

 

-sc

 

From: Trees, Ray [mailto:rtr...@key.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VPN Client issue

 

Does this work for SonicWall's also?  The website
doesn't mention it.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VPN Client issue

 

So I've heard.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: VPN Client issue

 

And they never will...  They are expecting everyone to move to SSL
AnyConnect...

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

Yup, use it here, as Cisco doesn't seem to have a working 64bit Win7
client..

-sc


> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: Re: VPN Client issue
>
> Shrewsoft has a free IPSec VPN client. Works pretty well, and has an
active
> support listserv.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 06:33, Bill Lambert 
wrote:
> >
> > Hi all...
> >
> >
> >
> > We have environments with mixed brands of firewalls.  Rackspace
hosts
> our production and uses Cisco VPN/Firewall products and our office
uses
> Netscreen.  We have mobile users that need to connect to both places
(not
> concurrently) but Cisco and Netscreen VPN client software can't exist
> together on any one given laptop.  Is there a generic or third party
product
> that can accommodate connections to both brands?  Is there a known
work
> around?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Lambert
> >
> > Windows System Administrator
> >
> > Concuity
> >
> > A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc.
> >
> > Phone  847-941-9206
> >
> > Fax  847-465-9147
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: VPN Client issue

[Phil Brutsche]

Why use a third-party VPN client when the Windows native L2TP/IPsec
client works just fine?

Any commercial firewall worth it's salt will support L2TP.

Kurt Buff wrote:
> Shrewsoft has a free IPSec VPN client. Works pretty well, and has an
> active support listserv.

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Re: IDS appliance

[Kurt Buff]

Untangle doesn't look much like an IDS, based on the marketing on the
front page of the web site. It looks more like a web/spam filter.

Another possibility, if you want to set it up as a gateway, is pfsense
- http://pfsense.org - it can add snort and other things as packages
to its firewalling duties. But, that covers only one spot in the
network, though you could certainly argue that it's the most critical
spot.

Kurt

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:36, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> +1
>
> Get the OSS stuff in there first, and get a handle on what your needs
> actually are, then when you find you need something with more features,
> you'll be able to articulate and evaluate that more effectively.
>
> Consider starting with: http://www.untangle.com/
>
> ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
>> > appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
>> > to “phone home.” Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
>> > catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
>> > I’m not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an 
>> > IDS
>> > appliance work?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
>> watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
>> traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.
>>
>> Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.
>>
>> In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
>> than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
>> installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
>> it all up in a pretty web interface.
>>
>> I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.
>>
>> You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
>> install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
>> to a central server that aggregates it.
>>
>> The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
>> place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
>> to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
>> environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
>> get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
>> environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
>> that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
>> in your org.
>>
>> And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
>> fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
>> you're not extra careful.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Erik Goldoff]

got me beat, my first HD was a Seagate ST-225 20mb MFM in 1990, and I can
buy 2 or 3 SATA 1.5 terabyte drives from Fry's for the same $$$
 
(uphill, in the snow, both ways !  )
 
  Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds



My 1st HD was a 20MB Apple for my ][GS - back in 1987.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in our
original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of them.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro drives.wish I
had what was paid for them back then 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

 

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have the
drive firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure proper
operation and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big plus from my
experience.  I like knowing that all drives in an array will behave exactly
the same way each time to a commoand from the controller.  And I may have
been one of the lucky ones, but going all the way back to the old Compaq
SystemPro array controller , I've found the SMART array controllers from
Compaq/HP as better than decent, compared to problems I've had with generic
and older Dell PERCs.  Your mileage may vary

 


Erik Goldoff


 

 
Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association 

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Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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RE: OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Sean Rector]

My 1st HD was a 20MB Apple for my ][GS - back in 1987.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT RE: HP drive sleds

 

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in
our original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of
them.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro
drives...wish I had what was paid for them back then 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

 

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have
the drive firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure
proper operation and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big
plus from my experience.  I like knowing that all drives in an array
will behave exactly the same way each time to a commoand from the
controller.  And I may have been one of the lucky ones, but going all
the way back to the old Compaq SystemPro array controller , I've found
the SMART array controllers from Compaq/HP as better than decent,
compared to problems I've had with generic and older Dell PERCs.  Your
mileage may vary

 


Erik Goldoff


 

 

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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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OT RE: HP drive sleds

[Erik Goldoff]

500mb ??? wow, those are whoppers !  IIRC, the first drives we had in our
original SystemPro ( 386/33 ) were the Connor 210mb drives, eight of them.
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds



LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro drives.wish I
had what was paid for them back then 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

 

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have the
drive firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure proper
operation and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big plus from my
experience.  I like knowing that all drives in an array will behave exactly
the same way each time to a commoand from the controller.  And I may have
been one of the lucky ones, but going all the way back to the old Compaq
SystemPro array controller , I've found the SMART array controllers from
Compaq/HP as better than decent, compared to problems I've had with generic
and older Dell PERCs.  Your mileage may vary

 


Erik Goldoff



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: IDS appliance

[Andrew S. Baker]

+1

Get the OSS stuff in there first, and get a handle on what your needs
actually are, then when you find you need something with more features,
you'll be able to articulate and evaluate that more effectively.

Consider starting with: http://www.untangle.com/

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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich 
> wrote:
> >
> > Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
> appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
> to “phone home.” Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
> catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
> I’m not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS
> appliance work?
> >
> >
>
> It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
> watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
> traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.
>
> Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.
>
> In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
> than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
> installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
> it all up in a pretty web interface.
>
> I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.
>
> You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
> install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
> to a central server that aggregates it.
>
> The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
> place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
> to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
> environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
> get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
> environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
> that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
> in your org.
>
> And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
> fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
> you're not extra careful.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: HP drive sleds

[Free, Bob]

LOL, I just came across a pair of new 500MB Compaq SystemPro
drives...wish I had what was paid for them back then 

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

 

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have
the drive firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure
proper operation and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big
plus from my experience.  I like knowing that all drives in an array
will behave exactly the same way each time to a commoand from the
controller.  And I may have been one of the lucky ones, but going all
the way back to the old Compaq SystemPro array controller , I've found
the SMART array controllers from Compaq/HP as better than decent,
compared to problems I've had with generic and older Dell PERCs.  Your
mileage may vary

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 



From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds

Agreed, a rant  heh J  Also, reading other posts, regarding some magical
ROM on the drive, I would imagine a decent RAID controller, which the HP
Smartarray is supposed to be a good one, would monitor SMART parameters,
and even if the drive thinks it is just fine, still set off alarms. For
example, I am about to change out a Seagate SATA disk in one of my Linux
workstations where smartd has been spamming /var/log/messages with
increasing numbers of reallocated sectors.  That sort of thing,
regardless of some magical ROM (if such a thing even exists), should
trigger a good RAID card to alert you.

 

 

Phillip Partipilo

Parametric Solutions Inc.

Jupiter, Florida

(561) 747-6107

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: HP drive sleds

[Steven Peck]

I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely.  Merely
why there was a cost to buying quality products with support.

m'kay?

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross
 wrote:
> Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me 
> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a 
> replacement?
>
> Backups are good, m'kay?
>
> I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven Peck
> [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> 11:10:07 -0800
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
>
>
>> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
>> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
>> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
>>
>> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
>> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
>>  wrote:
>> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard drives from
>> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
>> >
>> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
>> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not pass
>> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel
>> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, but it
>> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink
>> wrapped from Western Digital.
>> >
>> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well tested
>> and guaranteed by HP.
>> >
>> >
>> > --Matt Ross
>> > Ephrata School District
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: Phillip Partipilo
>> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
>> > 10:50:53 -0800
>> > Subject: HP drive sleds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
>> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a
>> HP
>> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
>>  No
>> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
>> >> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can
>> get
>> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and
>> ship
>> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
>> empty
>> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
>> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding
>> my
>> >> gears.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Phillip Partipilo
>> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
>> >> Jupiter, Florida
>> >> (561) 747-6107
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
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>> >> INTENDED FOR USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION,
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>> >> FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> >> ~   ~
>> >>
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> > ~   ~
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

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~   ~

RE: HP drive sleds

[Erik Goldoff]

'magical' ROM ???  I think that's stretching it a bit ... but to have the
drive firmware closely *matched* to the drive controller to ensure proper
operation and compatibility with different OS drivers is a big plus from my
experience.  I like knowing that all drives in an array will behave exactly
the same way each time to a commoand from the controller.  And I may have
been one of the lucky ones, but going all the way back to the old Compaq
SystemPro array controller , I've found the SMART array controllers from
Compaq/HP as better than decent, compared to problems I've had with generic
and older Dell PERCs.  Your mileage may vary
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: HP drive sleds



Agreed, a rant  heh J  Also, reading other posts, regarding some magical ROM
on the drive, I would imagine a decent RAID controller, which the HP
Smartarray is supposed to be a good one, would monitor SMART parameters, and
even if the drive thinks it is just fine, still set off alarms. For example,
I am about to change out a Seagate SATA disk in one of my Linux workstations
where smartd has been spamming /var/log/messages with increasing numbers of
reallocated sectors.  That sort of thing, regardless of some magical ROM (if
such a thing even exists), should trigger a good RAID card to alert you.

 

 

Phillip Partipilo

Parametric Solutions Inc.

Jupiter, Florida

(561) 747-6107

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

OT: Any Cacti on Windows users?

[Sean Rector]

I need some help getting Cacti to pull data from my Windows servers
(hodge-podge of 2k3, 2k8, and 2k8 R2).  Can anyone give me a hand
off-list?

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 


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RE: VPN Client issue

[Steven M. Caesare]

Dunno... don't have em.

 

-sc

 

From: Trees, Ray [mailto:rtr...@key.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VPN Client issue

 

Does this work for SonicWall's also?  The website
doesn't mention it.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VPN Client issue

 

So I've heard.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: VPN Client issue

 

And they never will...  They are expecting everyone to move to SSL
AnyConnect...

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

Yup, use it here, as Cisco doesn't seem to have a working 64bit Win7
client..

-sc


> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: Re: VPN Client issue
>
> Shrewsoft has a free IPSec VPN client. Works pretty well, and has an
active
> support listserv.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 06:33, Bill Lambert 
wrote:
> >
> > Hi all...
> >
> >
> >
> > We have environments with mixed brands of firewalls.  Rackspace
hosts
> our production and uses Cisco VPN/Firewall products and our office
uses
> Netscreen.  We have mobile users that need to connect to both places
(not
> concurrently) but Cisco and Netscreen VPN client software can't exist
> together on any one given laptop.  Is there a generic or third party
product
> that can accommodate connections to both brands?  Is there a known
work
> around?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Lambert
> >
> > Windows System Administrator
> >
> > Concuity
> >
> > A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc.
> >
> > Phone  847-941-9206
> >
> > Fax  847-465-9147
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > NASDAQ: TTPA
> >
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RE: HP drive sleds

[Brian Desmond]

HP Part Surfer

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
> 
> Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
> replacement?
> 
> Backups are good, m'kay?
> 
> I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven Peck
> [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> 11:10:07 -0800
> Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
> 
> 
> > You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> > HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> > pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> >
> > You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> > service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> >
> > Steven
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
> >  wrote:
> > > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard
> > > drives from
> > the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> > >
> > > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> > insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not
> > pass their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can
> > feel confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and
> > all, but it still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard
> > drive, shrink wrapped from Western Digital.
> > >
> > > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well
> > > tested
> > and guaranteed by HP.
> > >
> > >
> > > --Matt Ross
> > > Ephrata School District
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Phillip Partipilo
> > > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > > 10:50:53 -0800
> > > Subject: HP drive sleds
> > >
> > >
> > >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to
> > >> somebody else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took
> > >> delivery of a
> > HP
> > >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
> >  No
> > >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty
> > >> cage without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive
> > >> when I can
> > get
> > >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up
> > >> and
> > ship
> > >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> > empty
> > >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP
> > >> is a solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is
> > >> grinding
> > my
> > >> gears.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Phillip Partipilo
> > >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> > >> Jupiter, Florida
> > >> (561) 747-6107
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE
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> > >> ~   ~
> > >>
> > >
> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> > >   ~
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
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> >
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RE: VPN Client issue

[Trees, Ray]

Does this work for SonicWall's also?  The website doesn't 
mention it.

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VPN Client issue

So I've heard.

-sc

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: VPN Client issue

And they never will...  They are expecting everyone to move to SSL AnyConnect...
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
Yup, use it here, as Cisco doesn't seem to have a working 64bit Win7 client..

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: VPN Client issue
>
> Shrewsoft has a free IPSec VPN client. Works pretty well, and has an active
> support listserv.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 06:33, Bill Lambert 
> mailto:blamb...@concuity.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all...
> >
> >
> >
> > We have environments with mixed brands of firewalls.  Rackspace hosts
> our production and uses Cisco VPN/Firewall products and our office uses
> Netscreen.  We have mobile users that need to connect to both places (not
> concurrently) but Cisco and Netscreen VPN client software can't exist
> together on any one given laptop.  Is there a generic or third party product
> that can accommodate connections to both brands?  Is there a known work
> around?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Lambert
> >
> > Windows System Administrator
> >
> > Concuity
> >
> > A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc.
> >
> > Phone  847-941-9206
> >
> > Fax  847-465-9147
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > NASDAQ: TTPA
> >
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RE: VPN Client issue

[Steven M. Caesare]

So I've heard.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: VPN Client issue

 

And they never will...  They are expecting everyone to move to SSL
AnyConnect...

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

Yup, use it here, as Cisco doesn't seem to have a working 64bit Win7
client..

-sc


> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: Re: VPN Client issue
>
> Shrewsoft has a free IPSec VPN client. Works pretty well, and has an
active
> support listserv.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 06:33, Bill Lambert 
wrote:
> >
> > Hi all...
> >
> >
> >
> > We have environments with mixed brands of firewalls.  Rackspace
hosts
> our production and uses Cisco VPN/Firewall products and our office
uses
> Netscreen.  We have mobile users that need to connect to both places
(not
> concurrently) but Cisco and Netscreen VPN client software can't exist
> together on any one given laptop.  Is there a generic or third party
product
> that can accommodate connections to both brands?  Is there a known
work
> around?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Lambert
> >
> > Windows System Administrator
> >
> > Concuity
> >
> > A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc.
> >
> > Phone  847-941-9206
> >
> > Fax  847-465-9147
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > NASDAQ: TTPA
> >
> > The information contained in this e-mail message, including any
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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~   ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: VPN Client issue

[Don Ely]

And they never will...  They are expecting everyone to move to SSL
AnyConnect...

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> Yup, use it here, as Cisco doesn't seem to have a working 64bit Win7
> client..
>
> -sc
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>  > Subject: Re: VPN Client issue
> >
> > Shrewsoft has a free IPSec VPN client. Works pretty well, and has an
> active
> > support listserv.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 06:33, Bill Lambert 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all…
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We have environments with mixed brands of firewalls.  Rackspace hosts
> > our production and uses Cisco VPN/Firewall products and our office uses
> > Netscreen.  We have mobile users that need to connect to both places (not
> > concurrently) but Cisco and Netscreen VPN client software can’t exist
> > together on any one given laptop.  Is there a generic or third party
> product
> > that can accommodate connections to both brands?  Is there a known work
> > around?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Lambert
> > >
> > > Windows System Administrator
> > >
> > > Concuity
> > >
> > > A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc.
> > >
> > > Phone  847-941-9206
> > >
> > > Fax  847-465-9147
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > NASDAQ: TTPA
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>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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RE: New virus trick

[Ben Schorr]

I killed a Vundo variant with ListDLLs too.  Made it easy to pick out
the malware files and delete them.

 

Ben M. Schorr

Chief Executive Officer

Roland Schorr & Tower

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From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: New virus trick

 

I'm kind of amazed how ineffective mbam is these days based on a few
cases I've dealt with recently. I have had a couple clients and a couple
family members bring their machines to me and mbam detected things but
wasn't able to clean any of it after repeated attempts. I had to
manually remove things as lately I've been curious as to the reach and
tactics of current malware. The latest one was Windows Enterprise Suite.
It installs in the users %appdata%\local  & %userprofile%\Recent folder.
Before that I cleaned a Vundo variant. I read an article that someone
used sysinternal's listdlls to find it, as it was dll based. The dll's
for that have no version number. Redirecting listdll's output to a test
file made it easy to identify the last three dll's that didn't belong.

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

 

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had
a chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent
malware incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before
so I thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the
lookout for it. Basically it was the same old malware that's been going
around with the Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even
using Malware Bytes we were not able to get rid of it. After I was
poking around a bit, (I don't recall why I was looking at the root of
C:, but I was) I noticed a batch file in the root of the C: drive that,
when I opened it and looked at it, it created a bunch of scheduled tasks
to re-download the malware/adware. I wised up and deleted that file,
then went into the Scheduled Tasks and deleted all the malware-created
scheduled tasks. Then I was able to successfully clean the stuff out!

What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it
needed to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake
antivirus was right back there. What I believe it was doing was
re-downloading itself from the internet each time we cleaned it. So,
anyway, if you guys ever have a problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to
check the scheduled tasks!

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: VPN Client issue

[Steven M. Caesare]

Yup, use it here, as Cisco doesn't seem to have a working 64bit Win7 client..

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: VPN Client issue
> 
> Shrewsoft has a free IPSec VPN client. Works pretty well, and has an active
> support listserv.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 06:33, Bill Lambert  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all…
> >
> >
> >
> > We have environments with mixed brands of firewalls.  Rackspace hosts
> our production and uses Cisco VPN/Firewall products and our office uses
> Netscreen.  We have mobile users that need to connect to both places (not
> concurrently) but Cisco and Netscreen VPN client software can’t exist
> together on any one given laptop.  Is there a generic or third party product
> that can accommodate connections to both brands?  Is there a known work
> around?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Lambert
> >
> > Windows System Administrator
> >
> > Concuity
> >
> > A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc.
> >
> > Phone  847-941-9206
> >
> > Fax  847-465-9147
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > NASDAQ: TTPA
> >
> > The information contained in this e-mail message, including any attached
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: New virus trick

[Phillip Partipilo]

I think it was a vundo variant, according to virustotal.com at least, that I
ran across that would delete any file named mbam.exe.

 

 

Phillip Partipilo

Parametric Solutions Inc.

Jupiter, Florida

(561) 747-6107

 

 

From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: New virus trick

 

I'm kind of amazed how ineffective mbam is these days based on a few cases
I've dealt with recently. I have had a couple clients and a couple family
members bring their machines to me and mbam detected things but wasn't able
to clean any of it after repeated attempts. I had to manually remove things
as lately I've been curious as to the reach and tactics of current malware.
The latest one was Windows Enterprise Suite. It installs in the users
%appdata%\local  & %userprofile%\Recent folder. Before that I cleaned a
Vundo variant. I read an article that someone used sysinternal's listdlls to
find it, as it was dll based. The dll's for that have no version number.
Redirecting listdll's output to a test file made it easy to identify the
last three dll's that didn't belong.

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

 

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had a
chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent malware
incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before so I
thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the lookout for
it. Basically it was the same old malware that's been going around with the
Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even using Malware Bytes
we were not able to get rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, (I don't
recall why I was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed a batch
file in the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked at it, it
created a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the malware/adware. I
wised up and deleted that file, then went into the Scheduled Tasks and
deleted all the malware-created scheduled tasks. Then I was able to
successfully clean the stuff out!

What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it needed
to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake antivirus
was right back there. What I believe it was doing was re-downloading itself
from the internet each time we cleaned it. So, anyway, if you guys ever have
a problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to check the scheduled tasks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: HP drive sleds

[Phillip Partipilo]

Agreed, a rant  heh J  Also, reading other posts, regarding some magical ROM
on the drive, I would imagine a decent RAID controller, which the HP
Smartarray is supposed to be a good one, would monitor SMART parameters, and
even if the drive thinks it is just fine, still set off alarms. For example,
I am about to change out a Seagate SATA disk in one of my Linux workstations
where smartd has been spamming /var/log/messages with increasing numbers of
reallocated sectors.  That sort of thing, regardless of some magical ROM (if
such a thing even exists), should trigger a good RAID card to alert you.

 

 

Phillip Partipilo

Parametric Solutions Inc.

Jupiter, Florida

(561) 747-6107

 

 

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds

 


As this appears to be a rant, I can jump in and say that all our Dell PE
servers also came with empty place holders rather than cages, too.  (Never
tried to see if we could get an empty sled.)
-- 
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"Phillip Partipilo"  wrote on 12/04/2009 12:50:53 PM:

> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a
HP
> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.  No
> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can get
> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and ship
> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with empty
> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding my
> gears.
> 
>  
> Phillip Partipilo
> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> Jupiter, Florida
> (561) 747-6107
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
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RE: HP drive sleds

[Erik Goldoff]

With all due respect, you're still ignoring the fact that the HP drive
controllers are designed to work with drives that have HP firmware ( and
they provide firmware updates for them too )

You can always find sleds and old drives from the refurb companies and then
you can put whatever drive you want at your own risk.  Seems stupid to me
though, like buying a high performance car and then complaining when you
find out you have to buy the expensive high octane gas, when you think the
performance engine should run on low octane. 



Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds

Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me
up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a
replacement?

Backups are good, m'kay?

I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven Peck
[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
11:10:07 -0800
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds


> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call 
> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the 
> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> 
> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the 
> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> 
> Steven
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross 
>  wrote:
> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard 
> > drives from
> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> >
> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not 
> pass their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can 
> feel confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and 
> all, but it still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard 
> drive, shrink wrapped from Western Digital.
> >
> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well 
> > tested
> and guaranteed by HP.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > 10:50:53 -0800
> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> >
> >
> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to 
> >> somebody else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took 
> >> delivery of a
> HP
> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
>  No
> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty 
> >> cage without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive 
> >> when I can
> get
> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up 
> >> and
> ship
> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> empty
> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP 
> >> is a solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is 
> >> grinding
> my
> >> gears.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phillip Partipilo
> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> >> Jupiter, Florida
> >> (561) 747-6107
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >   ~
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> 

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Re: HP drive sleds

[Jonathan Link]

I bought trays for a PowerEdge 2900 from CDW a few months ago.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM,  wrote:

>
> As this appears to be a rant, I can jump in and say that all our Dell PE
> servers also came with empty place holders rather than cages, too.  (Never
> tried to see if we could get an empty sled.)
> --
> Richard D. McClary
> Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group
>
> *ASPCA®*
> 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
> Urbana, IL  61802
>
> richardmccl...@aspca.org
>
> P: 217-337-9761
> C: 217-417-1182
> F: 217-337-9761
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>
>
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>
> "Phillip Partipilo"  wrote on 12/04/2009 12:50:53 PM:
>
>
> > Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
> > else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a
> HP
> > DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
>  No
> > empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
> > without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can get
> > 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and
> ship
> > it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with empty
> > sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
> > solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding
> my
> > gears.
> >
> >
> > Phillip Partipilo
> > Parametric Solutions Inc.
> > Jupiter, Florida
> > (561) 747-6107
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: HP drive sleds

[Matthew W. Ross]

Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me up? 
What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a 
replacement?

Backups are good, m'kay?

I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven Peck
[mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
11:10:07 -0800
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds


> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.
> 
> You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.
> 
> Steven
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
>  wrote:
> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard drives from
> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
> >
> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly
> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not pass
> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel
> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, but it
> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink
> wrapped from Western Digital.
> >
> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well tested
> and guaranteed by HP.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Phillip Partipilo
> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> > 10:50:53 -0800
> > Subject: HP drive sleds
> >
> >
> >> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a
> HP
> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.
>  No
> >> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
> >> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can
> get
> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and
> ship
> >> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with
> empty
> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding
> my
> >> gears.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phillip Partipilo
> >> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> >> Jupiter, Florida
> >> (561) 747-6107
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
> >> AND PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS
> >> INTENDED FOR USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION,
> >> COPYING, ACCESSING, OR DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED.
> >> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY
> >> NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT
> >> FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
> >>
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> ~   ~
> >>
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
> >
> >
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: HP drive sleds

[Steven Peck]

You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call
HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the
pre-failure warning shows up in SIM.

You are not paying for a drive so much.  You are also paying for the
service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly.

Steven

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross
 wrote:
> I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard drives from 
> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.
>
> Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly 
> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not pass 
> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel 
> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, but it 
> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink wrapped 
> from Western Digital.
>
> That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well tested 
> and guaranteed by HP.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Phillip Partipilo
> [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
> 10:50:53 -0800
> Subject: HP drive sleds
>
>
>> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
>> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a HP
>> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.  No
>> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
>> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can get
>> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and ship
>> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with empty
>> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
>> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding my
>> gears.
>>
>>
>> Phillip Partipilo
>> Parametric Solutions Inc.
>> Jupiter, Florida
>> (561) 747-6107
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
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>> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY
>> NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL ATTACHMENTS. DO NOT
>> FORWARD THIS MESSAGE WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE SENDER.
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: HP drive sleds

[Matthew W. Ross]

I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard drives from the 
likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous.

Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly insignificant 
measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not pass their tests 
before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel confident that the 
drive is "server quality". That's great and all, but it still shouldn't be 5-10 
times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink wrapped from Western Digital.

That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well tested and 
guaranteed by HP.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Phillip Partipilo
[mailto:p...@psnet.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
10:50:53 -0800
Subject: HP drive sleds


> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a HP
> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.  No
> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can get
> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and ship
> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with empty
> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding my
> gears.
> 
>  
> Phillip Partipilo
> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> Jupiter, Florida
> (561) 747-6107
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
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> INTENDED FOR USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION,
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> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY
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> 
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> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 

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~   ~

Re: Good Messaging App for iPhone

[Sean Martin]

Sam,

Thanks for forwarding this information. We've also been a Good customer for
several years but were forced to implement EAS to support iPhones. The lack
of local device security and reporting (Exch 2003) were always a pain point
for me. We still have Good in our environment but a large majority of our
mobile users made the switch to iPhone/ActiveSync.

I shared this information with my VP and have already received verbal
approval to get Good up-to-date and provide an implementation plan for
transitioning all of our mobile users back to the Good application.

- Sean

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

>  I know Good Messaging by Motorola is often left in the dark compared to
> EAS and BES, but I have been using their product for about 5 years and I
> have nothing bad to say about them.
>
> There has been complaints of the security of the iPhone on this list.  This
> should help alleviate many, if not all of them.
>
> http://www.good.com/iphone/
>
> http://www.good.com/enterprise/mobile-messaging
>
> I have no affiliation to Good or Motorola.
>
>
> * *
>
> *Sam Cayze*
> Information Technology Administrator
> *ROLLOUTS**
> **ONSITE • ON DEMAND**
> *
> LinkedIn Profile 
> Facebook Profile 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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~   ~

RE: HP drive sleds

[Erik Goldoff]

Normally if you go to the trouble of using HP hardware with their support
and warranty ( and pre-fail warranty ) it makes sense to use their HP-ROM'd
drives with their controllers too.  In the past I've had HP replace a drive
BEFORE it failed based on Compaq Insight Manager reports, but only because
it was an HP drive.

Every once and a while you get what you pay for.

On the flip side, I know of an IT guy for a law office running a Dell server
with Dell PERC2 running RAID5, and thought he could save a buck or two and
some time by replacing a drive with a SATA drive purchased at the local
computer/electronics supplier.  The ROMS were NOT supported by the PERC, and
ultimately the entire RAID became corrupt as he used the Dell utilities to
correct inconsistencies caused by his thrifty actions  



Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 


-Original Message-
From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: HP drive sleds

Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a HP
DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.  No
empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can get
2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and ship
it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with empty
sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding my
gears.

 
Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107
 
 




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RE: HP drive sleds

[Brian Desmond]

Go on HP part surfer and find the part number and you can order from there or 
plug the part numbers into the web and buy them elsewhere.

Personally I don't go assembling servers from multiple vendors as you lose half 
the benefit of dealing with an HP or a Dell which is the warranty/service. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


> -Original Message-
> From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:51 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: HP drive sleds
> 
> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody else
> here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a HP DL185,
> and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.  No empty
> cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage without a
> drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can get 2tb Hitachis 
> for
> $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and ship it right back.  
> Every
> Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with empty sleds, and every
> one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a solid server and 
> that's
> why we made this purchase, but this is grinding my gears.
> 
> 
> Phillip Partipilo
> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> Jupiter, Florida
> (561) 747-6107
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
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> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: HP drive sleds

[John Aldrich]

I know Dell will sell you empty sleds, but they're not cheap! Try eBay.
They're a lot cheaper on eBay than direct from the vendor!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: HP drive sleds

 


As this appears to be a rant, I can jump in and say that all our Dell PE
servers also came with empty place holders rather than cages, too.  (Never
tried to see if we could get an empty sled.)
-- 
Richard D. McClary 
Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group 
  
ASPCAR 
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 
Urbana, IL  61802 
  
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"Phillip Partipilo"  wrote on 12/04/2009 12:50:53 PM:

> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a
HP
> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.  No
> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can get
> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and ship
> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with empty
> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding my
> gears.
> 
>  
> Phillip Partipilo
> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> Jupiter, Florida
> (561) 747-6107
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
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Re: HP drive sleds

[RichardMcClary]

As this appears to be a rant, I can jump in and say that all our Dell PE 
servers also came with empty place holders rather than cages, too.  (Never 
tried to see if we could get an empty sled.)
--
Richard D. McClary
Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group
 
ASPCA®
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
Urbana, IL  61802
 
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"Phillip Partipilo"  wrote on 12/04/2009 12:50:53 PM:

> Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a 
HP
> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage. 
No
> empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
> without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can 
get
> 2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and 
ship
> it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with 
empty
> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding 
my
> gears.
> 
> 
> Phillip Partipilo
> Parametric Solutions Inc.
> Jupiter, Florida
> (561) 747-6107
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SAN vendors

[John Aldrich]

Yeah..I kind of don't want to be one of the first to try a new SAN
manufacturer, only to find out a couple years down the road that they
decided they didn't want to do SANs any more or even worse, buy something
and it not work right. I think I will narrow it down to my top 3 and then
ask for a demo unit.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SAN vendors

 

Nope, not heard of them.  In going down the road you're going down last
year, I came up with a set of requirements for a SAN.  I then judged each
product I came across on where it stood in relation to that list.  Until you
do that, you're going to continually chase your tail.  I also did my own
research and didn't get sales guys involved until the very end of the
process when I had enough knowledge to ask appropriate questions and cut
through their bull.  From your previous emails I get the sense (based on my
experience) that you got sales involved too soon in the process and you're
just swimming in information.  My suggestion is to back away from all the
sales material and start digging again fresh.

 

On a related note, if you haven't heard of them and you can't dig anything
up via google, I'd say stay away.  Do you really want your storage (all of
your eggs) in a fragile, untested, untrusted basket?

 

-Jonathan

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

I don't recall if I've asked this particular question here, but if I have,
I'd like to apologize in advance. J My question is, does anyone know
anything first-hand about AMI as a SAN manufacturer? I know they make darn
good BIOSes, and I think they have stand-alone RAID cards, but I don't know
anything about their SAN products. I'd like to get some feedback from
someone who's used them if there's anyone here that has. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~   ~<><>

HP drive sleds

[Phillip Partipilo]

Whoa this is insane.  On the phone, err, handed off the call to somebody
else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of a HP
DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage.  No
empty cages provided.  They claim there is no way to get an empty cage
without a drive.  WTF.  They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I can get
2tb Hitachis for $140.  This is bull.  We're ready to box this up and ship
it right back.  Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with empty
sleds, and every one of those servers are still running.  I know HP is a
solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is grinding my
gears.

 
Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107
 
 




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Re: SAN vendors

[Jonathan Link]

Nope, not heard of them.  In going down the road you're going down last
year, I came up with a set of requirements for a SAN.  I then judged each
product I came across on where it stood in relation to that list.  Until you
do that, you're going to continually chase your tail.  I also did my own
research and didn't get sales guys involved until the very end of the
process when I had enough knowledge to ask appropriate questions and cut
through their bull.  From your previous emails I get the sense (based on my
experience) that you got sales involved too soon in the process and you're
just swimming in information.  My suggestion is to back away from all the
sales material and start digging again fresh.

On a related note, if you haven't heard of them and you can't dig anything
up via google, I'd say stay away.  Do you really want your storage (all of
your eggs) in a fragile, untested, untrusted basket?

-Jonathan

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:14 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  I don’t recall if I’ve asked this particular question here, but if I
> have, I’d like to apologize in advance. J My question is, does anyone know
> anything first-hand about AMI as a SAN manufacturer? I know they make darn
> good BIOSes, and I think they have stand-alone RAID cards, but I don’t know
> anything about their SAN products. I’d like to get some feedback from
> someone who’s used them if there’s anyone here that has… J
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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~   ~<><>

Re: VPN Client issue

[Kurt Buff]

Shrewsoft has a free IPSec VPN client. Works pretty well, and has an
active support listserv.

Kurt

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 06:33, Bill Lambert  wrote:
>
> Hi all…
>
>
>
> We have environments with mixed brands of firewalls.  Rackspace hosts our 
> production and uses Cisco VPN/Firewall products and our office uses 
> Netscreen.  We have mobile users that need to connect to both places (not 
> concurrently) but Cisco and Netscreen VPN client software can’t exist 
> together on any one given laptop.  Is there a generic or third party product 
> that can accommodate connections to both brands?  Is there a known work 
> around?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
>
> Bill Lambert
>
> Windows System Administrator
>
> Concuity
>
> A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc.
>
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>
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Re: IDS appliance

[Kurt Buff]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich  wrote:
>
> Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS 
> appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries to 
> “phone home.” Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for 
> catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that. 
> I’m not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS 
> appliance work?
>
>

It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.

Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.

In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
it all up in a pretty web interface.

I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.

You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
to a central server that aggregates it.

The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
in your org.

And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
you're not extra careful.

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: IDS appliance

[Kurt Buff]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:29, John Aldrich  wrote:
>
> Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS 
> appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries to 
> “phone home.” Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for 
> catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that. 
> I’m not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS 
> appliance work?
>
>

It depends on the appliance. However, the general theory is that it
watches the bit stream, and sends alerts when it sees suspicious
traffic. Often they also trend traffic and do other spiffy things.

Before committing to a commercial product, I'd try the free OSS stuff.

In particular, OSSIM is a very interesting package, though it's more
than just an IDS. It's got an installer that puts Linux on a box and
installs snort, ntop, nagios and a bunch of other software, and wraps
it all up in a pretty web interface.

I'm trying to find the time (and a spare PC) to dive into it.

You can install it on one machine (with several NICs), or use it to
install a set of sensors at various points in your network that talk
to a central server that aggregates it.

The critical things are 1) to get enough box to handle the load, 2) to
place the sensor(s) at points in your network where you're most likely
to see attacks, 3) dial down the alerts so that they fit your
environment. They tend to be really noisy - lots of alerts - until you
get them tuned to only look for things that are relevant to your
environment. For instance, you don't want to see alerts on traffic
that looks like an attack on an Oracle server if you don't have Oracle
in your org.

And, an IPS is basically an IDS that can operate your firewall on the
fly. They can be as dangerous as combining tequila and handguns, if
you're not extra careful.

Kurt

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~   ~

RE: New virus trick

[Carol Fee]

I've had one where it failed me despite repeated attempts.

CFee
From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: New virus trick

I'm kind of amazed how ineffective mbam is these days based on a few cases I've 
dealt with recently. I have had a couple clients and a couple family members 
bring their machines to me and mbam detected things but wasn't able to clean 
any of it after repeated attempts. I had to manually remove things as lately 
I've been curious as to the reach and tactics of current malware. The latest 
one was Windows Enterprise Suite. It installs in the users %appdata%\local  & 
%userprofile%\Recent folder. Before that I cleaned a Vundo variant. I read an 
article that someone used sysinternal's listdlls to find it, as it was dll 
based. The dll's for that have no version number. Redirecting listdll's output 
to a test file made it easy to identify the last three dll's that didn't belong.

--
Mike Gill

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had a 
chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent malware 
incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before so I thought 
I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the lookout for it. 
Basically it was the same old malware that's been going around with the 
Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even using Malware Bytes we 
were not able to get rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, (I don't 
recall why I was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed a batch file 
in the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked at it, it created 
a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the malware/adware. I wised up and 
deleted that file, then went into the Scheduled Tasks and deleted all the 
malware-created scheduled tasks. Then I was able to successfully clean the 
stuff out!
What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it needed to 
reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake antivirus was 
right back there. What I believe it was doing was re-downloading itself from 
the internet each time we cleaned it. So, anyway, if you guys ever have a 
problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to check the scheduled tasks!

[cid:image001.jpg@01CA74E0.097F8990][cid:image002@01ca74e0.097f8990]










~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: New virus trick

[David Lum]

Deep Freeze == smash your index finger with a hammer. Then smash the other one.

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: New virus trick

Well, MBAM has worked fine for pretty much everything here... I did end up 
wiping and reinstalling one machine because of some stuff that couldn't be 
removed from the content.ie5 directory, but I think that may have been a 
conflict with Deep Freeze (I *hate* that software!)

[cid:image001.jpg@01CA74C5.28E5F960][cid:image002@01ca74c5.28e5f960]

From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: New virus trick

I'm kind of amazed how ineffective mbam is these days based on a few cases I've 
dealt with recently. I have had a couple clients and a couple family members 
bring their machines to me and mbam detected things but wasn't able to clean 
any of it after repeated attempts. I had to manually remove things as lately 
I've been curious as to the reach and tactics of current malware. The latest 
one was Windows Enterprise Suite. It installs in the users %appdata%\local  & 
%userprofile%\Recent folder. Before that I cleaned a Vundo variant. I read an 
article that someone used sysinternal's listdlls to find it, as it was dll 
based. The dll's for that have no version number. Redirecting listdll's output 
to a test file made it easy to identify the last three dll's that didn't belong.

--
Mike Gill

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had a 
chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent malware 
incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before so I thought 
I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the lookout for it. 
Basically it was the same old malware that's been going around with the 
Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even using Malware Bytes we 
were not able to get rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, (I don't 
recall why I was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed a batch file 
in the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked at it, it created 
a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the malware/adware. I wised up and 
deleted that file, then went into the Scheduled Tasks and deleted all the 
malware-created scheduled tasks. Then I was able to successfully clean the 
stuff out!
What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it needed to 
reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake antivirus was 
right back there. What I believe it was doing was re-downloading itself from 
the internet each time we cleaned it. So, anyway, if you guys ever have a 
problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to check the scheduled tasks!

[cid:image001.jpg@01CA74C5.28E5F960][cid:image002@01ca74c5.28e5f960]










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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release Date: 12/04/09 
07:32:00





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~   ~<><>

RE: New virus trick

[John Aldrich]

Well, MBAM has worked fine for pretty much everything here. I did end up
wiping and reinstalling one machine because of some stuff that couldn't be
removed from the content.ie5 directory, but I think that may have been a
conflict with Deep Freeze (I *hate* that software!)

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: New virus trick

 

I'm kind of amazed how ineffective mbam is these days based on a few cases
I've dealt with recently. I have had a couple clients and a couple family
members bring their machines to me and mbam detected things but wasn't able
to clean any of it after repeated attempts. I had to manually remove things
as lately I've been curious as to the reach and tactics of current malware.
The latest one was Windows Enterprise Suite. It installs in the users
%appdata%\local  & %userprofile%\Recent folder. Before that I cleaned a
Vundo variant. I read an article that someone used sysinternal's listdlls to
find it, as it was dll based. The dll's for that have no version number.
Redirecting listdll's output to a test file made it easy to identify the
last three dll's that didn't belong.

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

 

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had a
chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent malware
incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before so I
thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the lookout for
it. Basically it was the same old malware that's been going around with the
Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even using Malware Bytes
we were not able to get rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, (I don't
recall why I was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed a batch
file in the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked at it, it
created a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the malware/adware. I
wised up and deleted that file, then went into the Scheduled Tasks and
deleted all the malware-created scheduled tasks. Then I was able to
successfully clean the stuff out!

What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it needed
to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake antivirus
was right back there. What I believe it was doing was re-downloading itself
from the internet each time we cleaned it. So, anyway, if you guys ever have
a problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to check the scheduled tasks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release Date: 12/04/09
07:32:00


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: New virus trick

[Mike Gill]

I'm kind of amazed how ineffective mbam is these days based on a few cases
I've dealt with recently. I have had a couple clients and a couple family
members bring their machines to me and mbam detected things but wasn't able
to clean any of it after repeated attempts. I had to manually remove things
as lately I've been curious as to the reach and tactics of current malware.
The latest one was Windows Enterprise Suite. It installs in the users
%appdata%\local  & %userprofile%\Recent folder. Before that I cleaned a
Vundo variant. I read an article that someone used sysinternal's listdlls to
find it, as it was dll based. The dll's for that have no version number.
Redirecting listdll's output to a test file made it easy to identify the
last three dll's that didn't belong.

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

 

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had a
chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent malware
incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before so I
thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the lookout for
it. Basically it was the same old malware that's been going around with the
Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even using Malware Bytes
we were not able to get rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, (I don't
recall why I was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed a batch
file in the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked at it, it
created a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the malware/adware. I
wised up and deleted that file, then went into the Scheduled Tasks and
deleted all the malware-created scheduled tasks. Then I was able to
successfully clean the stuff out!

What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it needed
to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake antivirus
was right back there. What I believe it was doing was re-downloading itself
from the internet each time we cleaned it. So, anyway, if you guys ever have
a problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to check the scheduled tasks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: Replacements for Trend Worry Free

[David Lum]

No problems with RealTime being stopped, and it's one of many services I 
monitor on both servers and workstations and I get notified if they do get 
stopped. Their servers are:  1 Win2K file/print, 2003 SBS, 2003 R2 domain 
controller, and a 2003 R2 "utility" server that handles Trend, WSUS, etc. Never 
stops on any of them.

If you put up some monitoring on that service perhaps you can find a 
uhtrend on when they stop. Maybe it happens at every agent check in or some 
other scheduled Trend (or maybe not even a Trend job) event.
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764



From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Replacements for Trend Worry Free

I don't know about renewal process.  My boss handles that part.  I suspect it 
is probably more an issue with Tech Data than with Trend, but I really don't 
know.  You haven't had issues with the Trend/Micro Client/Server Security Agent 
RealTime Scan service being in a stopped state?  We've seen it occur on 6 
servers.  Trend set us up with a hotfix as a "know issue" about the same time 
SP1 released.  The hotfix worked for 4, but one got borked up so bad the SMEX 
stopped working which caused a bit of a ruckus for that client, and my boss 
hates it when these things cause "unbillable" work...
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
Renewal process is a hassle? All I (well , my client) have to do is renew every 
year and then at the console do a license check and presto, updated. It's run 
for years on SBS 2003 at a client and they've has zero issues with it on the 
server or the PC's . You can contact me offlist if you want to keep Trend, 
maybe I can help. I have moved some clients to Vipre but this client has had 
good success with Trend so no need to switch.
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764



From: Jim Majorowicz 
[mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Replacements for Trend Worry Free

We're currently discussing the option of changing our AV choice for our Small 
Business clients.  We're currently pretty entrenched with Trend and their 
Worry-Free products with our clients, but we're looking to possibly start 
recommending other options.  The renewal process for Trend is a hassle no 
matter how we try and do it, and we've been having issues with 6.0 client 
randomly stopping on SBS servers for no apparent reason and having to be 
manually restarted.  Support's solution to the issue has been hit and miss.

Anyway, I suggested Vipre right off because Stu and crew and pretty hip froody 
dudes who listen when we ask questions around these parts, but my boss wants to 
try Panda.  A 15 minute search of our archive seems to contain a mixed bag of 
comments, mostly about Panda 2008.  AVG isn't an option.  Any thoughts on Panda 
or other options to consider?














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~   ~

SAN vendors

[John Aldrich]

I don't recall if I've asked this particular question here, but if I have,
I'd like to apologize in advance. J My question is, does anyone know
anything first-hand about AMI as a SAN manufacturer? I know they make darn
good BIOSes, and I think they have stand-alone RAID cards, but I don't know
anything about their SAN products. I'd like to get some feedback from
someone who's used them if there's anyone here that has. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 


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~   ~<><>

RE: Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?

[Richard Stovall]

Doh!  I'm having knee surgery (minor - arthroscopic) in a couple of
hours and I guess my brain is elsewhere at the moment.  Sorry about the
unintended diversion...

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?

Well, that's good info for Terminal Services CALs... 

I meant good old regular client access... which a quick search found me
this:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/client-licensing.aspx

Which also ends up with the short answer = no.

Thanks!


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Richard Stovall
[mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
08:51:28 -0800
Subject: RE: Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?


> Short answer = no.
> 
> From
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-terminal.aspx
> .
> 
> Q.  Can I use my Windows Server 2008 TS CALs to access RDS on a server
> running Windows Server 2008 R2?
> 
> A.  Yes, Windows Server 2008 TS CALs are functionally equivalent to
RDS
> CALs, and can be used for connecting to Windows Server 2008 R2 RD
> Session Hosts and RD Virtualization Hosts.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:48 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?
> 
> Hey list.
> 
> we purchased enough Windows Server 2008 device CALs to cover our
> network... now we're looking at upgrading to Server 2008 R2. Will we
> need to purchase a new batch of R2 CALs?
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?

[Matthew W. Ross]

Well, that's good info for Terminal Services CALs... 

I meant good old regular client access... which a quick search found me this:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/client-licensing.aspx

Which also ends up with the short answer = no.

Thanks!


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Richard Stovall
[mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009
08:51:28 -0800
Subject: RE: Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?


> Short answer = no.
> 
> From
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-terminal.aspx
> .
> 
> Q.  Can I use my Windows Server 2008 TS CALs to access RDS on a server
> running Windows Server 2008 R2?
> 
> A.  Yes, Windows Server 2008 TS CALs are functionally equivalent to RDS
> CALs, and can be used for connecting to Windows Server 2008 R2 RD
> Session Hosts and RD Virtualization Hosts.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:48 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?
> 
> Hey list.
> 
> we purchased enough Windows Server 2008 device CALs to cover our
> network... now we're looking at upgrading to Server 2008 R2. Will we
> need to purchase a new batch of R2 CALs?
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Replacements for Trend Worry Free

[Jim Majorowicz]

I don't know about renewal process.  My boss handles that part.  I suspect
it is probably more an issue with Tech Data than with Trend, but I really
don't know.  You haven't had issues with the Trend/Micro Client/Server
Security Agent RealTime Scan service being in a stopped state?  We've seen
it occur on 6 servers.  Trend set us up with a hotfix as a "know issue"
about the same time SP1 released.  The hotfix worked for 4, but one got
borked up so bad the SMEX stopped working which caused a bit of a ruckus for
that client, and my boss hates it when these things cause "unbillable"
work...

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM, David Lum  wrote:

>  Renewal process is a hassle? All I (well , my client) have to do is renew
> every year and then at the console do a license check and presto, updated.
> It’s run for years on SBS 2003 at a client and they’ve has zero issues with
> it on the server or the PC’s . You can contact me offlist if you want to
> keep Trend, maybe I can help. I have moved some clients to Vipre but this
> client has had good success with Trend so no need to switch.
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:00 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Replacements for Trend Worry Free
>
>
>
> We're currently discussing the option of changing our AV choice for our
> Small Business clients.  We're currently pretty entrenched with Trend and
> their Worry-Free products with our clients, but we're looking to possibly
> start recommending other options.  The renewal process for Trend is a hassle
> no matter how we try and do it, and we've been having issues with 6.0 client
> randomly stopping on SBS servers for no apparent reason and having to be
> manually restarted.  Support's solution to the issue has been hit and miss.
>
> Anyway, I suggested Vipre right off because Stu and crew and pretty hip
> froody dudes who listen when we ask questions around these parts, but my
> boss wants to try Panda.  A 15 minute search of our archive seems to contain
> a mixed bag of comments, mostly about Panda 2008.  AVG isn't an option.  Any
> thoughts on Panda or other options to consider?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?

[Richard Stovall]

Short answer = no.

From
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/licensing-terminal.aspx
.

Q.  Can I use my Windows Server 2008 TS CALs to access RDS on a server
running Windows Server 2008 R2?

A.  Yes, Windows Server 2008 TS CALs are functionally equivalent to RDS
CALs, and can be used for connecting to Windows Server 2008 R2 RD
Session Hosts and RD Virtualization Hosts.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?

Hey list.

we purchased enough Windows Server 2008 device CALs to cover our
network... now we're looking at upgrading to Server 2008 R2. Will we
need to purchase a new batch of R2 CALs?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Are there Server 2008 R2 speciffic CALs?

[Matthew W. Ross]

Hey list.

we purchased enough Windows Server 2008 device CALs to cover our network... now 
we're looking at upgrading to Server 2008 R2. Will we need to purchase a new 
batch of R2 CALs?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Terminal Server CAL's

[Webster]

For 2003, License Server discovery is automatically done for DCs.  You
either have to set a registry key or Group Policy if the License Server is
not on a DC.

 

 

Webster

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Subject: RE: Terminal Server CAL's

 

My DC's are 2003, my test environment is on 2003 but I could use 2008 Server
for the production TS systems.

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] 
Subject: RE: Terminal Server CAL's

 

2003 or 2008?

 

2003 put on DC

 

OR for 2003 or 2008

 

Put on any server and use Group Policy to set the license server location.

 

Webster

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Subject: Terminal Server CAL's

 

I'm a victim of my own success, we had an issue here that I solved by
creating a Terminal Server machine and loading apps on the server.
Performance is great and I've been told to roll it out. Cool!

 

Uh, ok now I need to plan it out J. I will have two Terminal Servers and we
have 50 CAL's, does it make sense just to make one of these the Terminal
Services License server as well? On my development TS servers running the
Terminal Server Licensing tool it's pointing at my DC, for production I
should just make one of the two TS server the TS license server right? 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Terminal Server CAL's

[David Lum]

My DC's are 2003, my test environment is on 2003 but I could use 2008 Server 
for the production TS systems.
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Terminal Server CAL's

2003 or 2008?

2003 put on DC

OR for 2003 or 2008

Put on any server and use Group Policy to set the license server location.

Webster

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Subject: Terminal Server CAL's

I'm a victim of my own success, we had an issue here that I solved by creating 
a Terminal Server machine and loading apps on the server. Performance is great 
and I've been told to roll it out. Cool!

Uh, ok now I need to plan it out :). I will have two Terminal Servers and we 
have 50 CAL's, does it make sense just to make one of these the Terminal 
Services License server as well? On my development TS servers running the 
Terminal Server Licensing tool it's pointing at my DC, for production I should 
just make one of the two TS server the TS license server right?





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RE: Terminal Server CAL's

[Webster]

2003 or 2008?

 

2003 put on DC

 

OR for 2003 or 2008

 

Put on any server and use Group Policy to set the license server location.

 

Webster

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Subject: Terminal Server CAL's

 

I'm a victim of my own success, we had an issue here that I solved by
creating a Terminal Server machine and loading apps on the server.
Performance is great and I've been told to roll it out. Cool!

 

Uh, ok now I need to plan it out J. I will have two Terminal Servers and we
have 50 CAL's, does it make sense just to make one of these the Terminal
Services License server as well? On my development TS servers running the
Terminal Server Licensing tool it's pointing at my DC, for production I
should just make one of the two TS server the TS license server right?


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~   ~

Terminal Server CAL's

[David Lum]

I'm a victim of my own success, we had an issue here that I solved by creating 
a Terminal Server machine and loading apps on the server. Performance is great 
and I've been told to roll it out. Cool!

Uh, ok now I need to plan it out :). I will have two Terminal Servers and we 
have 50 CAL's, does it make sense just to make one of these the Terminal 
Services License server as well? On my development TS servers running the 
Terminal Server Licensing tool it's pointing at my DC, for production I should 
just make one of the two TS server the TS license server right?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764


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RE: New virus trick

[tony patton]

but then they'll just use voice-recognition software, would they not?

Regards

Tony Patton
Desktop Operations Cavan
Ext 8078
Direct Dial 049 435 2878
email: tony.pat...@quinn-insurance.com



From:
"Maglinger, Paul" 
To:
"NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:
04/12/2009 15:08
Subject:
RE: New virus trick



I?m still in favor of the ?Ball-peen hammer to fingers? method of 
behavioral modification used in the movie Casino?
 
From: Lee Douglas [mailto:lee.doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: New virus trick
 
Or at least public flogging!
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
Man, these malware creators are evil! I vote we bring back public 
hangings! 
 
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:39 AM, John Aldrich  wrote:
I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had a 
chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent malware 
incident I?d cleaned up. He?d never heard of such a trick before so I 
thought I?d bring it to y?all?s attention so you can be on the lookout for 
it. Basically it was the same old malware that?s been going around with 
the Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even using Malware 
Bytes we were not able to get rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, 
(I don?t recall why I was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed 
a batch file in the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked 
at it, it created a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the 
malware/adware. I wised up and deleted that file, then went into the 
Scheduled Tasks and deleted all the malware-created scheduled tasks. Then 
I was able to successfully clean the stuff out!
What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it 
needed to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake 
antivirus was right back there. What I believe it was doing was 
re-downloading itself from the internet each time we cleaned it. So, 
anyway, if you guys ever have a problem like this, it wouldn?t hurt to 
check the scheduled tasks!
 

 
 
 



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RE: VPN Client issue

[Bill Lambert]

Wow, Fergal, thanks for the great advice!  I'll give this a try!
 
Bill...



From: Fergal O'Connell [mailto:foconn...@curamsoftware.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: VPN Client issue



Bill,

 

Can you this - 

 

STARTNETSCREEN.BAT

net stop "Cisco Systems, Inc. VPN Service"

 

net start "SafeNet IKE Service"

net start "SafeNet Monitor Service"

net start "NetScreen-Remote Security Client"

 

"C:\Program Files\Juniper\NetScreen-Remote\SafeCfg.exe"

 

pause

 

STARTCISCO.BAT

 

net stop "SafeNet IKE Service"

net stop "SafeNet Monitor Service"

net stop "NetScreen-Remote Security Client"

taskkill /f SafeCfg.exe

 

net start "Cisco Systems, Inc. VPN Service"

 

pause

 

First one has to uninstall NetScreen VPN completely.  Then install Cisco
VPN. 

Netscreen VPN needs to be installed on top of Cisco.  The two bat files
are

used to start and stop respective VPN.  By default the services for both
need

been to set to  "manual" instead of "Automatic" type.

 

From: Bill Lambert [mailto:blamb...@concuity.com] 
Sent: 04 December 2009 14:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VPN Client issue

 

Hi all...

 

We have environments with mixed brands of firewalls.  Rackspace hosts
our production and uses Cisco VPN/Firewall products and our office uses
Netscreen.  We have mobile users that need to connect to both places
(not concurrently) but Cisco and Netscreen VPN client software can't
exist together on any one given laptop.  Is there a generic or third
party product that can accommodate connections to both brands?  Is there
a known work around?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Bill Lambert

Windows System Administrator

Concuity

A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc.  

Phone  847-941-9206

Fax  847-465-9147

 

 

 

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Re: OT: Message Clipped...

[Jonathan Link]

I'm seeing this on the Exchange list today.
Did Sunbelt make a change to lyris configuration or version?
Did google make a change to gmail?

It's a feature of gmail, so they can load your inbox fast.  I'll go back to
slow if it makes any difference.  The clipping is hitting messages that are
quite small and is making gmail next worthless as a mail reader.  I might
have to switch to Outlook 2010 beta to get the threaded conversations.


On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Rob Bonfiglio wrote:

> This whole message clipped is sufficiently annoying.  I've only seen it
> happen to messages on this list.  I quickly looked through the Exchange list
> and the Active Directory list and haven't seen it on any of those message.
>
> Has anyone found a way around this?  I went looking through the gmail
> settings yesterday but didn't see a way to turn it off.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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~   ~

Re: IDS appliance

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

I want a system that will send Arnold back in time to kill the hacker as a
small child.


On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:

>  Do you want an IDS (Intrusion Detection System) system that will only, at
> best, alert you to activity taking place, or do you want an IPS (Intrusion
> PREVENTION System) ???  ( you can run open source IDS like SNORT, but I've
> used IPS by TopLayer and by 3Com/Tipping Point )
>
>  Erik Goldoff
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
>
>  --
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 04, 2009 10:30 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* IDS appliance
>
>  Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
> appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
> to “phone home.” Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
> catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
> I’m not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS
> appliance work?
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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-- 

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and more. It turns denial into acceptance, chaos into order, confusion into
clarity…Gratitude makes sense of our past, brings peace for today, and
creates a vision for tomorrow.

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RE: IDS appliance

[John Aldrich]

Well, I did some Googling and found a nice article on Wikipedia about the
differences. I think I would like a hybrid IPS system of some sort,
preferably one that would work with my ASA. J I don't know if I can upgrade
my ASA or not. I know that was an option to include an IDS on the ASA, but I
didn't think we'd need it and no one pushed me to get it, so we went with
just the firewall. 

 

After going to the Sunbelt seminar yesterday, I'm convinced security needs
to be like the layers of an onion and an IPS/IDS system is the missing
layer.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IDS appliance

 

Do you want an IDS (Intrusion Detection System) system that will only, at
best, alert you to activity taking place, or do you want an IPS (Intrusion
PREVENTION System) ???  ( you can run open source IDS like SNORT, but I've
used IPS by TopLayer and by 3Com/Tipping Point )

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: IDS appliance

Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
to "phone home." Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
I'm not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS
appliance work?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release Date: 12/04/09
07:32:00


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RE: VA scanners questions

[Ziots, Edward]

Yep, Rapid 7 Nexpose product, already been talking with them...

Z

Edward Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +
ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone:401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: VA scanners questions

No experience, but just for the record, metasploit has just gained a
vuln scanner...

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 05:47, Ziots, Edward  wrote:
> To the list,
>
>
>
> If you are using any of the following in your day to day jobs, and
would
> like to give feedback on there performance, I would be greatly
indebted to
> you...
>
>
>
> RAPID 7 Nexpose
>
> Qualsys
>
> Core-IMPACT
>
> Nessus
>
>
>
> I am spearheading a project to bring a VA/Pen-Testing suite into the
> organization and would love some feedback before putting these vendors
> through the ringer...
>
>
>
> Z
>
>
>
> Edward Ziots
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Lifespan Organization
>
> MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +
>
> ezi...@lifespan.org
>
> Phone:401-639-3505
>
>
>
>

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RE: IDS appliance

[Erik Goldoff]

Do you want an IDS (Intrusion Detection System) system that will only, at
best, alert you to activity taking place, or do you want an IPS (Intrusion
PREVENTION System) ???  ( you can run open source IDS like SNORT, but I've
used IPS by TopLayer and by 3Com/Tipping Point )
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: IDS appliance



Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
to "phone home." Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
I'm not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS
appliance work?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 


 


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~   ~<><>

Good Messaging App for iPhone

[Sam Cayze]

I know Good Messaging by Motorola is often left in the dark compared to
EAS and BES, but I have been using their product for about 5 years and I
have nothing bad to say about them.
 
There has been complaints of the security of the iPhone on this list.
This should help alleviate many, if not all of them.
 
http://www.good.com/iphone/
 
http://www.good.com/enterprise/mobile-messaging
 
I have no affiliation to Good or Motorola.
 

 

Sam Cayze
Information Technology Administrator
ROLLOUTS
ONSITE * ON DEMAND

LinkedIn Profile  
Facebook Profile  

 


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RE: VPN Client issue

[Fergal O'Connell]

Bill,

Can you this -

STARTNETSCREEN.BAT
net stop "Cisco Systems, Inc. VPN Service"

net start "SafeNet IKE Service"
net start "SafeNet Monitor Service"
net start "NetScreen-Remote Security Client"

"C:\Program Files\Juniper\NetScreen-Remote\SafeCfg.exe"

pause

STARTCISCO.BAT

net stop "SafeNet IKE Service"
net stop "SafeNet Monitor Service"
net stop "NetScreen-Remote Security Client"
taskkill /f SafeCfg.exe

net start "Cisco Systems, Inc. VPN Service"

pause

First one has to uninstall NetScreen VPN completely.  Then install Cisco VPN.
Netscreen VPN needs to be installed on top of Cisco.  The two bat files are
used to start and stop respective VPN.  By default the services for both need
been to set to  "manual" instead of "Automatic" type.

From: Bill Lambert [mailto:blamb...@concuity.com]
Sent: 04 December 2009 14:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VPN Client issue

Hi all...

We have environments with mixed brands of firewalls.  Rackspace hosts our 
production and uses Cisco VPN/Firewall products and our office uses Netscreen.  
We have mobile users that need to connect to both places (not concurrently) but 
Cisco and Netscreen VPN client software can't exist together on any one given 
laptop.  Is there a generic or third party product that can accommodate 
connections to both brands?  Is there a known work around?

Thanks in advance!

Bill Lambert
Windows System Administrator
Concuity
A healthcare division of Trintech, Inc.
Phone  847-941-9206
Fax  847-465-9147
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IDS appliance

[John Aldrich]

Guys, I was talking to my boss this morning about how we need an IDS
appliance to help catch malware as it comes in from the web or as it tries
to "phone home." Now up until yesterday I though an IDS was just good for
catching hackers trying to get through our firewall or something like that.
I'm not that knowledgeable about this sort of thing. How exactly does an IDS
appliance work?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 


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Re: Solved: sync PDA phone

[Jon Harris]

You could use x64 and maybe load up the virtual XP in it.  You could then
sync to the virtual XP and transfer the infomation to your W7 install.

Jon

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Len Hammond  wrote:

> This one has been hanging fire for a long time now but I finally figured
> out a solution to it.
>
> This PDA phone is about 3 years old and has WinMobile 5.0 in it. It is
> labeled a Cingular 8525 but is manufactured by HTC and is the HTC 8525. Been
> great phone by the way. The final solution came to me after I had been to a
> Microsoft Event in the Detroit area and they were touting the new Windows
> Phone in the lobby. They had a laptop running Win7 and bragged about how it
> would hook up to my phone easily. So I let them try and to my surprise it
> did just fine. Later, thinking about how the driver was just right there and
> loaded easily and correctly, I had to wonder what I was doing wrong on my
> machine at home. To make this long story shorter I blew away my W7x64 and
> installed a 32bit version and the phone driver installed and connected and
> synced just fine without any errors or drama. Bottom line is this, there is
> no 64bit driver for this particular device. So the solution is to run my
> desktop with the 32bit version of Windows 7.  Kind of a shame as I have 4gb
> RAM in it and with the 32bit version it only will use 3.5gb.
>
> That's my story and I'm sticking to it. But I thought that this might help
> a few folks who are expected to tie some older hardware to Windows 7. Anyway
> the sync has been solid now for a couple of weeks. I guess I can activate
> this build now that I'm going to keep it for a while.
>
> Thanks to all who offered thoughts, ideas and support.
>
> Len Hammond
> CSI:Hartland
> lenhamm...@gmail.com
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Len Hammond 
> Date: Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: sync PDA phone
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
>
>
> Just had a BSOD trying to remove WMDC update. This would indicate a WMDC
> problem.
>
>
> http://maximumpcguides.com/windows-vista/stop-0x9f-or-driver_power_state_failure/
>
> Got the WMDC and the WMDC updateremoved. Rebooting now. Will reinstall the
> WMDC again and try conneting again with the RESET phone.
>
> If all this fails, I'll have rebuild both my machines with XP and abandon
> both Vista and Win7 (which I really like) in favor of something that can be
> made to function. I'm almost out of time to play these silly games.
>
> Frustration level mounting.
>
> 
>
> 
> Len Hammond
> CSI:Hartland
> lenhamm...@gmail.com
>
>
>   On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Len Hammond wrote:
>
>> Can I get an explanation? I'm not seeing or at least not recognizing that
>> I'm seeing some kind of connection compensation as no connection is evident.
>> Got a link of something to read to enlighten me?
>>
>> Len Hammond
>> CSI:Hartland
>> lenhamm...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>   On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Rod Trent wrote:
>>
>>>  BTW: Win7 **does** compensate for connection issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Len Hammond [mailto:lenhammo...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:35 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: sync PDA phone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK.  I reset the phone with the reset button. What they call a soft
>>> reset. Not the hard reset with the power button held down while touching the
>>> reset button that results in total data loss. No joy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So now I'm back to removing the software and reinstalling with the device
>>> reset.
>>>
>>>
>>> Len Hammond
>>> CSI:Hartland
>>> lenhamm...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>  On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Rod Trent 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For the record, it’s not WMDC, it’s the phone.  Have you reset the phone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Len Hammond [mailto:lenhammo...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:56 PM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* sync PDA phone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know there are those of you that have had success with this ==
>>> connecting and syncing a PDA/smartphone with Outlook on Vista/Windows 7.
>>>  So, what is the trick to making it connect reliably? I get one connection
>>> and sync per installation of the Windows Mobile Device Center software.  I
>>> can remove WMDC and reinstall and finally get it to connect and sync. I
>>> remove the device and try again later - with or without a reboot -  and
>>> Nothing. No connection and no recognition of the device. The device is a 2
>>> year-old HTC 8525 with WM5 that has been reliably connecting and syncing
>>> with an XP box for 2+ years. At least I can get some kind of communications
>>> with Win7. That's a huge improvement over Vista with which I NEVER got a
>>> connection at all. With XPpro the connections were pretty consistent, and
>>> whenever it lost connectivity, I just had to reboot both devices and it
>>> would re-establish a connection and function normally for whil

RE: New virus trick

[Erik Goldoff]

Possible it had a keylogger or other spy installed that found his CC account
# and phoned home with it ?
 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

  _  

From: Jim Slattery [mailto:jslatt...@medexassist.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: New virus trick



I had the same thing happen. several reboots before I figured it out.  Since
then, I run autoruns and go through it with a fine-tooth comb when cleaning
up an infection.  scheduled tasks can be killed from autoruns.

 

Speaking of tricky viruses, I know someone that swears they didn't give
their credit card information out (I trust this person to not be that stupid
to give a credit card number to an anti-virus window that pops up and asks
for it. and he's well aware he has Norton AV), got a charge from Pope
Software for $40. seems to be one of those same fake AV programs, Pope Green
Defender The bank has refunded their money, and gone after the company, but
this worried me.  Any other user, I'd be thinking they screwed up, but this
person is OCD about money. Anyone else heard of this happening with Pope or
any other fakeAV?

 

Jim Slattery

Systems Administrator

 

MEDEX Global Group

8501 LaSalle Road, Suite 200

Baltimore, MD 21286 USA

Direct: 1-410-308-7931

Main: 1-410-453-6300

Toll free: 1-800-537-2029

Fax: 1-410-308-7905

www.medexassist.com  

  _  

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

 

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had a
chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent malware
incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before so I
thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the lookout for
it. Basically it was the same old malware that's been going around with the
Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even using Malware Bytes
we were not able to get rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, (I don't
recall why I was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed a batch
file in the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked at it, it
created a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the malware/adware. I
wised up and deleted that file, then went into the Scheduled Tasks and
deleted all the malware-created scheduled tasks. Then I was able to
successfully clean the stuff out!

What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it needed
to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake antivirus
was right back there. What I believe it was doing was re-downloading itself
from the internet each time we cleaned it. So, anyway, if you guys ever have
a problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to check the scheduled tasks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 


 


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Solved: sync PDA phone

[Len Hammond]

This one has been hanging fire for a long time now but I finally figured out
a solution to it.

This PDA phone is about 3 years old and has WinMobile 5.0 in it. It is
labeled a Cingular 8525 but is manufactured by HTC and is the HTC 8525. Been
great phone by the way. The final solution came to me after I had been to a
Microsoft Event in the Detroit area and they were touting the new Windows
Phone in the lobby. They had a laptop running Win7 and bragged about how it
would hook up to my phone easily. So I let them try and to my surprise it
did just fine. Later, thinking about how the driver was just right there and
loaded easily and correctly, I had to wonder what I was doing wrong on my
machine at home. To make this long story shorter I blew away my W7x64 and
installed a 32bit version and the phone driver installed and connected and
synced just fine without any errors or drama. Bottom line is this, there is
no 64bit driver for this particular device. So the solution is to run my
desktop with the 32bit version of Windows 7.  Kind of a shame as I have 4gb
RAM in it and with the 32bit version it only will use 3.5gb.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. But I thought that this might help a
few folks who are expected to tie some older hardware to Windows 7. Anyway
the sync has been solid now for a couple of weeks. I guess I can activate
this build now that I'm going to keep it for a while.

Thanks to all who offered thoughts, ideas and support.

Len Hammond
CSI:Hartland
lenhamm...@gmail.com


-- Forwarded message --
From: Len Hammond 
Date: Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: sync PDA phone
To: NT System Admin Issues 


Just had a BSOD trying to remove WMDC update. This would indicate a WMDC
problem.

http://maximumpcguides.com/windows-vista/stop-0x9f-or-driver_power_state_failure/

Got the WMDC and the WMDC updateremoved. Rebooting now. Will reinstall the
WMDC again and try conneting again with the RESET phone.

If all this fails, I'll have rebuild both my machines with XP and abandon
both Vista and Win7 (which I really like) in favor of something that can be
made to function. I'm almost out of time to play these silly games.

Frustration level mounting.



Len Hammond
CSI:Hartland
lenhamm...@gmail.com


On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Len Hammond  wrote:

> Can I get an explanation? I'm not seeing or at least not recognizing that
> I'm seeing some kind of connection compensation as no connection is evident.
> Got a link of something to read to enlighten me?
>
> Len Hammond
> CSI:Hartland
> lenhamm...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>
>>  BTW: Win7 **does** compensate for connection issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Len Hammond [mailto:lenhammo...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: sync PDA phone
>>
>>
>>
>> OK.  I reset the phone with the reset button. What they call a soft reset.
>> Not the hard reset with the power button held down while touching the reset
>> button that results in total data loss. No joy.
>>
>>
>>
>> So now I'm back to removing the software and reinstalling with the device
>> reset.
>>
>>
>> Len Hammond
>> CSI:Hartland
>> lenhamm...@gmail.com
>>
>>  On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Rod Trent 
>> wrote:
>>
>> For the record, it’s not WMDC, it’s the phone.  Have you reset the phone?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Len Hammond [mailto:lenhammo...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:56 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* sync PDA phone
>>
>>
>>
>> I know there are those of you that have had success with this ==
>> connecting and syncing a PDA/smartphone with Outlook on Vista/Windows 7.
>>  So, what is the trick to making it connect reliably? I get one connection
>> and sync per installation of the Windows Mobile Device Center software.  I
>> can remove WMDC and reinstall and finally get it to connect and sync. I
>> remove the device and try again later - with or without a reboot -  and
>> Nothing. No connection and no recognition of the device. The device is a 2
>> year-old HTC 8525 with WM5 that has been reliably connecting and syncing
>> with an XP box for 2+ years. At least I can get some kind of communications
>> with Win7. That's a huge improvement over Vista with which I NEVER got a
>> connection at all. With XPpro the connections were pretty consistent, and
>> whenever it lost connectivity, I just had to reboot both devices and it
>> would re-establish a connection and function normally for while again.
>> Nothing seems to help WMDC get going again - short of a removal and
>> reinstallatin of the whole thing. The device shows in the WMDC app but flat
>> refuses to do anything with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> This should not be this difficult - I'm sure I'm just missing some kind of
>> setting change and all will be well. I just can't seem to stumble on what to
>> change. Do I ha

RE: Simple web upload/download app?

[Erik Goldoff]

 
Serv-U client FREE ??? do you have a link ?  I didn't see anything FREE on
the Serv-U site 

Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

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From: Chris Orovet [mailto:coro...@atsi-inc.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Simple web upload/download app?



its free too. We also use the enterprise version and serve huge amts of
audio files through encrypted connections. Its been flawless for months now.

 

Regards,

 

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Re: Print Auditing

[Vicky Spelshaus]

Print Manager plus

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Brumbaugh, Luke <
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>  What software do you use to audit print, like number of pages per
> user/department?
>
> I have been tasked with finding this out for the whole company, so we can
> charge back paper and toner.
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: New virus trick

[RichardMcClary]

Ever need to deal with "The Coppertop" (Tammy)?  She's Sunbelt's malware 
analyst and is extremely knowledgable regarding the boot processes, what 
belongs, what does not, what drivers should be loaded and when (ie, knows 
how to spot root kits), etc.

VIPRE (and CSE) customers have access to her services, and she has helped 
us clean out some well-hidden crud more than once!  Add her services to 
the reasons to consider VIPRE.
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"John Aldrich"  wrote on 12/04/2009 09:07:40 
AM:

> Yeah?this malware had literally at least a dozen scheduled tasks, 
> which makes me think it was probably 1) running at boot/login 2) 
> hourly at the very least.
> 
> [image removed] [image removed] 
> 
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:54 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: New virus trick
> 
> saw a similar mechanism used to reinfect qakbot systems, scheduled 
> task was on a 4 day timer.
> 
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security 
> 
> 
> 
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:39 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: New virus trick
> I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I 
> had a chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a 
> recent malware incident I?d cleaned up. He?d never heard of such a 
> trick before so I thought I?d bring it to y?all?s attention so you 
> can be on the lookout for it. Basically it was the same old malware 
> that?s been going around with the Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but 
> the twist was that even using Malware Bytes we were not able to get 
> rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, (I don?t recall why I 
> was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed a batch file in 
> the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked at it, it
> created a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the 
> malware/adware. I wised up and deleted that file, then went into the
> Scheduled Tasks and deleted all the malware-created scheduled tasks.
> Then I was able to successfully clean the stuff out!
> What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say 
> it needed to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the
> fake antivirus was right back there. What I believe it was doing was
> re-downloading itself from the internet each time we cleaned it. So,
> anyway, if you guys ever have a problem like this, it wouldn?t hurt 
> to check the scheduled tasks!
> 
> [image removed] [image removed] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release Date: 
> 12/04/09 07:32:00
> 
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RE: New virus trick

[Jim Slattery]

I had the same thing happen... several reboots before I figured it out.
Since then, I run autoruns and go through it with a fine-tooth comb when
cleaning up an infection...  scheduled tasks can be killed from
autoruns.

 

Speaking of tricky viruses, I know someone that swears they didn't give
their credit card information out (I trust this person to not be that
stupid to give a credit card number to an anti-virus window that pops up
and asks for it... and he's well aware he has Norton AV), got a charge
from Pope Software for $40... seems to be one of those same fake AV
programs, Pope Green Defender The bank has refunded their money, and
gone after the company, but this worried me.  Any other user, I'd be
thinking they screwed up, but this person is OCD about money. Anyone
else heard of this happening with Pope or any other fakeAV?

 

Jim Slattery

Systems Administrator

 

MEDEX Global Group

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Baltimore, MD 21286 USA

Direct: 1-410-308-7931

Main: 1-410-453-6300

Toll free: 1-800-537-2029

Fax: 1-410-308-7905

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From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

 

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had
a chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent
malware incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before
so I thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the
lookout for it. Basically it was the same old malware that's been going
around with the Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even
using Malware Bytes we were not able to get rid of it. After I was
poking around a bit, (I don't recall why I was looking at the root of
C:, but I was) I noticed a batch file in the root of the C: drive that,
when I opened it and looked at it, it created a bunch of scheduled tasks
to re-download the malware/adware. I wised up and deleted that file,
then went into the Scheduled Tasks and deleted all the malware-created
scheduled tasks. Then I was able to successfully clean the stuff out!

What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it
needed to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake
antivirus was right back there. What I believe it was doing was
re-downloading itself from the internet each time we cleaned it. So,
anyway, if you guys ever have a problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to
check the scheduled tasks!

 

  

 

 

 

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RE: New virus trick

[John Aldrich]

Yeah.this malware had literally at least a dozen scheduled tasks, which
makes me think it was probably 1) running at boot/login 2) hourly at the
very least.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: New virus trick

 

saw a similar mechanism used to reinfect qakbot systems, scheduled task was
on a 4 day timer.

 


Erik Goldoff


IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

 

 

  _  

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had a
chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent malware
incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before so I
thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the lookout for
it. Basically it was the same old malware that's been going around with the
Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even using Malware Bytes
we were not able to get rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, (I don't
recall why I was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed a batch
file in the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked at it, it
created a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the malware/adware. I
wised up and deleted that file, then went into the Scheduled Tasks and
deleted all the malware-created scheduled tasks. Then I was able to
successfully clean the stuff out!

What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it needed
to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake antivirus
was right back there. What I believe it was doing was re-downloading itself
from the internet each time we cleaned it. So, anyway, if you guys ever have
a problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to check the scheduled tasks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release Date: 12/04/09
07:32:00


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RE: New virus trick

[Maglinger, Paul]

I'm still in favor of the "Ball-peen hammer to fingers" method of
behavioral modification used in the movie Casino...

 

From: Lee Douglas [mailto:lee.doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: New virus trick

 

Or at least public flogging!

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:

Man, these malware creators are evil! I vote we bring back public
hangings! 

 

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:39 AM, John Aldrich <
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had
a chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent
malware incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before
so I thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the
lookout for it. Basically it was the same old malware that's been going
around with the Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even
using Malware Bytes we were not able to get rid of it. After I was
poking around a bit, (I don't recall why I was looking at the root of
C:, but I was) I noticed a batch file in the root of the C: drive that,
when I opened it and looked at it, it created a bunch of scheduled tasks
to re-download the malware/adware. I wised up and deleted that file,
then went into the Scheduled Tasks and deleted all the malware-created
scheduled tasks. Then I was able to successfully clean the stuff out!

What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it
needed to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake
antivirus was right back there. What I believe it was doing was
re-downloading itself from the internet each time we cleaned it. So,
anyway, if you guys ever have a problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to
check the scheduled tasks!

 

  

 

 

 




-- 
Mike Sullivan
neog...@gmail.com

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: New virus trick

[John Aldrich]

Glad I could help!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:jmor...@mjmc.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: New virus trick

 

Conficker uses scheduled tasks to run periodically looking for new
infectable computers.

 

A friend asked me to take a look at their laptop last night, which I haven't
had the time to yet, but I'm positive this is the same thing they have.
Thanks for pointing out the batch file on the root of C:

 

Jason

 

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: New virus trick

 

I was at a seminar yesterday put on by Sunbelt and during a break I had a
chance to talk to one of the presenters and told him of a recent malware
incident I'd cleaned up. He'd never heard of such a trick before so I
thought I'd bring it to y'all's attention so you can be on the lookout for
it. Basically it was the same old malware that's been going around with the
Antivirus Pro sort of stuff, but the twist was that even using Malware Bytes
we were not able to get rid of it. After I was poking around a bit, (I don't
recall why I was looking at the root of C:, but I was) I noticed a batch
file in the root of the C: drive that, when I opened it and looked at it, it
created a bunch of scheduled tasks to re-download the malware/adware. I
wised up and deleted that file, then went into the Scheduled Tasks and
deleted all the malware-created scheduled tasks. Then I was able to
successfully clean the stuff out!

What really got us was that Malware Bytes would clean it, then say it needed
to reboot to finish, and then as soon as we came back, the fake antivirus
was right back there. What I believe it was doing was re-downloading itself
from the internet each time we cleaned it. So, anyway, if you guys ever have
a problem like this, it wouldn't hurt to check the scheduled tasks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

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