Re: VNC for Windows 7?
I use ultravnc, it works just fine on Windows 7. I love Royal TS. The latest edition of Royal limits connections to 10; but it's great for servers, etc. And you can still use the older versions for unlimited connections. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason Gauthier jgauth...@lastar.comwrote: A suggestion by someone who doesn’t do end user support all day.. =) *From:* Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 3:00 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VNC for Windows 7? What about plain ole’ RDP? Unless you need it to be interactive while the user is still logged on as themselves. GPO it and you’re all set. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com *From:* Jason Gauthier [mailto:jgauth...@lastar.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 2:58 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VNC for Windows 7? I use UltraVNC, but my biggest complaint is lack of IPv6 support. If anyone knows of a truly free VNC type system that supports IPv6 that wou;ld be great. Someone mentioned Teamviewer. Unless you pay for it, you cannot use it for commercial use. I recommend it for personal use, and it works really well. *From:* Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 2:12 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VNC for Windows 7? Still using UltraVNC on Win7 and XP. *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 12:08 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* VNC for Windows 7? I am curious - what VNC (or other remote desktop utilities) do you guys like for Win7 machines? . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VNC for Windows 7?
We use Bomgar. It is pricy, but chock full o' features. http://www.bomgar.com/remotedesktopaccess/supportrepfeatures.htm Bill David Mazzaccaro wrote: I am curious - what VNC (or other remote desktop utilities) do you guys like for Win7 machines? . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VNC for Windows 7?
MRemote kicks ass on everything. Supports ssh, telnet, ICA, RDP, http - all from one console where you can group things into folders as your environment dictates. IronPorts, WebSense, VMWare View, Citrix, RDP, ESX consoles, Unix-based stuff - all your remote logons in one go. As for Windows 7 or other client-end stuff, I used DameWare in the situations (very rare) that RDP doesn't do the job. On 28 September 2010 13:59, Candee can...@gmail.com wrote: I use ultravnc, it works just fine on Windows 7. I love Royal TS. The latest edition of Royal limits connections to 10; but it's great for servers, etc. And you can still use the older versions for unlimited connections. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason Gauthier jgauth...@lastar.comwrote: A suggestion by someone who doesn’t do end user support all day.. =) *From:* Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 3:00 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VNC for Windows 7? What about plain ole’ RDP? Unless you need it to be interactive while the user is still logged on as themselves. GPO it and you’re all set. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com *From:* Jason Gauthier [mailto:jgauth...@lastar.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 2:58 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VNC for Windows 7? I use UltraVNC, but my biggest complaint is lack of IPv6 support. If anyone knows of a truly free VNC type system that supports IPv6 that wou;ld be great. Someone mentioned Teamviewer. Unless you pay for it, you cannot use it for commercial use. I recommend it for personal use, and it works really well. *From:* Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 2:12 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VNC for Windows 7? Still using UltraVNC on Win7 and XP. *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 12:08 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* VNC for Windows 7? I am curious - what VNC (or other remote desktop utilities) do you guys like for Win7 machines? . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Remote Control PC Software
https://join.me? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Remote Control PC Software
TeamViewer? Free for personal use. T typed slowly on HTC Desire On 28 Sep 2010 14:41, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Remote Control PC Software
FYI, as budget permits, I'd like to move this to a new PC, probably running Windows Server 2003, in stand-alone (non-domain) mode. John-AldrichPerception_2 From: Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Remote Control PC Software TeamViewer? Free for personal use. T typed slowly on HTC Desire On 28 Sep 2010 14:41, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
Small server
I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. John-AldrichPerception_2 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
Re: Remote Control PC Software
I've seen a few suggested already, but not yet www.crossloop.com ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Remote Control PC Software
Sorry replied to the wrong message. Please disregard. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Remote Control PC Software FYI, as budget permits, Id like to move this to a new PC, probably running Windows Server 2003, in stand-alone (non-domain) mode. From: Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Remote Control PC Software TeamViewer? Free for personal use. T typed slowly on HTC Desire On 28 Sep 2010 14:41, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Remote Control PC Software
I suggested that one! :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Remote Control PC Software I've seen a few suggested already, but not yet www.crossloop.comhttp://www.crossloop.com/ ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.commailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
Re: Remote Control PC Software
YES!! Thanks Richard! It was https://join.me that I was trying to remember! Cheers! Cameron On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: https://join.me? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dells Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless Im mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? Were primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
Stay away from software RAID. Time and attendance software would have a necessarily high SLA, so some sort of physical RAID is important, beyond that, no idea. Frankly, your question is best answered by a consultation of your applications requirements and working with a Dell rep to get a machine to fill those requirements, and any additional requirements you might have, such as no software RAID. In any decent size environment nowadays, I'm looking to virtualize as much as possible. Small servers get expensive quite fast, because you get into server creep. When I started with my current employer as an accountant nearly 5 years ago, we had one server. By the time I took over the IT position, we had three physical servers and were on the cusp of needing 6 more. I took the opportunity to take a step back, assess current needs, immediate future needs and estimate needs for the next 5 years (server lifetime). Decided to virtualize, sized a server appropriate to handle those needs and pulled the trigger. I probably saved at least $10,000 by buying one bigger server instead of popping up an additional server as needed. Another point, cheap servers just cost money. Buy appropriately sized servers, even larger servers and plan to virtualize your environment and you'll save $$$ down the road. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:55 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote: I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage002.jpgimage001.jpg
Re: Small server
Whenver you have the choice, take the OTHER choice besides software RAID !!! Besides being CPU intensive, it is also sensitive to other OS issues and system instabilities, and in my experience less reliable than a single direct attached drive. *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
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Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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If cheap and redundant are the primary req's, I'd go with RAID1. I didn't know you could do RAID5 w/out RAID5 hardware... I had a RAID5 controller fail on a Saturday...ever try and find a RAID5 controller on a weekend? Around here it was virtually impossible. Also note not all HDD's are created equal. I have a client with a Dell server using RAID 1, and WD for example makes special SATA drives *designed* for RAID implementations. http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=335 Dave From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. [cid:image001.jpg@01CB5EDC.45B6B910][cid:image002@01cb5edc.45b6b910] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg
Re: Small server
curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
I always prefer hardware raid to software. I can't speak for Dell, but with HP if the controller board goes bad you can replace it without losing the data on the RAID. What happens if you lose your system disks on a software RAID system? From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
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Dell is same, you can replace the controller and not lose the data, BTDT. This reminds me of something I should put on the long version of my resume.. Dave From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server I always prefer hardware raid to software. I can't speak for Dell, but with HP if the controller board goes bad you can replace it without losing the data on the RAID. What happens if you lose your system disks on a software RAID system? From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. [cid:image001.jpg@01CB5EDD.B9543CC0][cid:image002@01cb5edd.b9543cc0] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg
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Thanks. I'll see about including this in a virtual environment as I'd already been thinking about. After discussing my D/R plans on this list extensively, I've come to the conclusion that, no matter what our current environment is, we probably ought to virtualize it, that way, worse comes to worst, we can bring up both DCs on one physical server, as well as our current Time and Attendance software, preferably on a new virtual server. I appreciate the feedback, guys. Now to see what I can do about getting Management buy-in. :-) From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Whenver you have the choice, take the OTHER choice besides software RAID !!! Besides being CPU intensive, it is also sensitive to other OS issues and system instabilities, and in my experience less reliable than a single direct attached drive. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dells Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless Im mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? Were primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
I'm surely not very happy with SATA right now. I got in two R300's with loads-o-disk as DPM2010 servers for a client last week and I've already had 4 SATA drives die. WTF?!?! Makes me want to return the whole thing... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body:
Re: VNC for Windows 7?
Yes it does. In the occasions you list, I wouldn't be touching their computer as the user, I'd be logging in as another user to do stuff, so remote desktop would work. IF it's user-centric or profile releated, the user has to be present as much as possible, so again remote assistance is the answer. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Jason Gauthier jgauth...@lastar.comwrote: Doesn’t RA require someone to initiate the assistance? That doesn’t work for working on someone’s computer during their scheduled lunch time, or when they’re at a meeting. *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 4:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: VNC for Windows 7? Isn't that what RemoteAssistance is for? On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason Gauthier jgauth...@lastar.com wrote: A suggestion by someone who doesn’t do end user support all day.. =) *From:* Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 3:00 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VNC for Windows 7? What about plain ole’ RDP? Unless you need it to be interactive while the user is still logged on as themselves. GPO it and you’re all set. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com *From:* Jason Gauthier [mailto:jgauth...@lastar.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 2:58 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VNC for Windows 7? I use UltraVNC, but my biggest complaint is lack of IPv6 support. If anyone knows of a truly free VNC type system that supports IPv6 that wou;ld be great. Someone mentioned Teamviewer. Unless you pay for it, you cannot use it for commercial use. I recommend it for personal use, and it works really well. *From:* Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 2:12 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VNC for Windows 7? Still using UltraVNC on Win7 and XP. *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 27, 2010 12:08 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* VNC for Windows 7? I am curious - what VNC (or other remote desktop utilities) do you guys like for Win7 machines? . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with
RE: Small server
Put up with what you have until you finally spring for that SAN and hopefully either a Win2008 Hyper-V or an ESX server. Then virtualize it. (Just my too scents...) -- richard John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/28/2010 09:08:58 AM: Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+1 GigabyteNT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell?s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I?m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We?re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including ?white box? servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
It's expensive. :-) -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
Sounds like a bad batch of drives, which could happen with any drive type/vendor. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: I’m surely not very happy with SATA right now. I got in two R300’s with loads-o-disk as DPM2010 servers for a client last week and I’ve already had 4 SATA drives die. WTF?!?! Makes me want to return the whole thing… Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:19 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
Re: Small server
You also failed to mention How many end users will be accessing the system (logging in for time sheet admin), and how many will be utilizing the system (general users just punching a time clock)? Jonathan L. Raper, MCSE Thumb-typed from my HTC Incredible (and yes, it really is) Droid. Please excuse brevity any misspellings. - Reply message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com Date: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:09 am Subject: Small server To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons to view, copy, disclose, or disseminate CONFIDENTIAL information. This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and/or entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete this material from your computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information that it contains. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
I don't know that app so I don't know how good a candidate it is for virtualization, however, if you are thinking of putting ESXi on the box, make sure you look at the vSphere HCL and get something supported. Typically anything but the very entry level Dell and HP servers are going to be supported but you still want to check. Get hardware RAID IMO, software isn't worth the hassle. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: 28 September 2010 15:22 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Thanks. I'll see about including this in a virtual environment as I'd already been thinking about. After discussing my D/R plans on this list extensively, I've come to the conclusion that, no matter what our current environment is, we probably ought to virtualize it, that way, worse comes to worst, we can bring up both DCs on one physical server, as well as our current Time and Attendance software, preferably on a new virtual server. I appreciate the feedback, guys. Now to see what I can do about getting Management buy-in. :-) From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Whenver you have the choice, take the OTHER choice besides software RAID !!! Besides being CPU intensive, it is also sensitive to other OS issues and system instabilities, and in my experience less reliable than a single direct attached drive. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
It almost seems like SATA would be fine for a single app. From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
Yeah, I know. Doesn't make it any less frustrating. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Sounds like a bad batch of drives, which could happen with any drive type/vendor. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I'm surely not very happy with SATA right now. I got in two R300's with loads-o-disk as DPM2010 servers for a client last week and I've already had 4 SATA drives die. WTF?!?! Makes me want to return the whole thing... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions
RE: Small server
Good point. I was thinking that the general consensus of opinion was to shun software RAID, but I thought I'd double-check. From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server I always prefer hardware raid to software. I cant speak for Dell, but with HP if the controller board goes bad you can replace it without losing the data on the RAID. What happens if you lose your system disks on a software RAID system? From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dells Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless Im mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? Were primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Remote Control PC Software
He shoots, he SCORES! On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: YES!! Thanks Richard! It was https://join.me that I was trying to remember! Cheers! Cameron On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.comwrote: https://join.me? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.comwrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
Don't hate the players, hate the manufacturers! Quality control gets them all, think Sell laptop batteries made by Sony John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families From: Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tue Sep 28 10:31:10 2010 Subject: RE: Small server Yeah, I know. Doesn’t make it any less frustrating. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Sounds like a bad batch of drives, which could happen with any drive type/vendor. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I’m surely not very happy with SATA right now. I got in two R300’s with loads-o-disk as DPM2010 servers for a client last week and I’ve already had 4 SATA drives die. WTF?!?! Makes me want to return the whole thing… Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ---
RE: Small server
Less than 10 admin folks checking time sheets, and 6 biometric clocks for people to punch in. I think the current system is more than capable, it's just running an unsupported O/S. -Original Message- From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server You also failed to mention How many end users will be accessing the system (logging in for time sheet admin), and how many will be utilizing the system (general users just punching a time clock)? Jonathan L. Raper, MCSE Thumb-typed from my HTC Incredible (and yes, it really is) Droid. Please excuse brevity any misspellings. - Reply message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com Date: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:09 am Subject: Small server To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons to view, copy, disclose, or disseminate CONFIDENTIAL information. This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and/or entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete this material from your computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information that it contains. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint
Re: Small server
Yep. I've had that happen across vendors and across drive types. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: Sounds like a bad batch of drives, which could happen with any drive type/vendor. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: I’m surely not very happy with SATA right now. I got in two R300’s with loads-o-disk as DPM2010 servers for a client last week and I’ve already had 4 SATA drives die. WTF?!?! Makes me want to return the whole thing… Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:19 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
A failed SATA drive is even more expensive! John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/28/2010 09:25:11 AM: It's expensive. :-) -Original Message- From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
I'll see your lack of details, and raise you self-suggested scenarios: I'd put this into a VM with the following config, assuming 50-60 users, most of them simultaneous: - 2GB RAM - Single CPU - 50GB Drive - Windows 2003 (just because the app is unsupported, doesn't mean the OS has to be as well) If I was forced to go with a physical config: - 2GB RAM - Single CPU - C: 80GB (Mirrored) - Windows 2003 There. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. *bloated sig removed* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
Why would you need to even consider software RAID? The cheapest of motherboards today supports RAID1. It's like the de facto standard. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:32 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Good point. I was thinking that the general consensus of opinion was to shun software RAID, but I thought I'd double-check. From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server I always prefer hardware raid to software. I can’t speak for Dell, but with HP if the controller board goes bad you can replace it without losing the data on the RAID. What happens if you lose your system disks on a software RAID system? From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
I raise you Server 2003 R2, thank-you-very-much. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server I'll see your lack of details, and raise you self-suggested scenarios: I'd put this into a VM with the following config, assuming 50-60 users, most of them simultaneous: * 2GB RAM * Single CPU * 50GB Drive * Windows 2003 (just because the app is unsupported, doesn't mean the OS has to be as well) If I was forced to go with a physical config: * 2GB RAM * Single CPU * C: 80GB (Mirrored) * Windows 2003 There. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. bloated sig removed ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Remote Control PC Software
I tried that one, but didn't care for it as much. I think http://www.showmypc.com works a little bit better. Jay From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Remote Control PC Software He shoots, he SCORES! On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.commailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: YES!! Thanks Richard! It was https://join.mehttps://join.me/ that I was trying to remember! Cheers! Cameron On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com wrote: https://join.mehttps://join.me/? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.commailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
eopen - grrr
Argh. I'm on-site at a customer hoping to install a new application per their request that requires SQL 2008. They have the SQL license from MS (auth # and license #), but when putting this info into MS' licensing eopen website, it now says I have to wait 24 hours to get the license ADDED to my list of avialable licenses/software. Seriously? We waited days already for MS to process the license, and now that we have the license, we have to wait 24 hours to download SQL 2008? Is there any way to speed this up? Can I install the 120 day trial version of SQL and convert it to the full licensed version later? Customer needs the new application/SQL installed today while I'm on site Bah. Thanks ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
Well, we also run the software that talks to the clocks, and exports the punches, but yeah... pretty much two apps that together dont even tax our current time and attendance box. The main reason I want to upgrade the machine is that it's OLD and the O/S isn't supported. I'm sure it'll run fine for awhile to come. :-) From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server It almost seems like SATA would be fine for a single app. From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions
Re: Small server
Thanks Andrew! - WJR On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 09:41, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: I'll see your lack of details, and raise you self-suggested scenarios: I'd put this into a VM with the following config, assuming 50-60 users, most of them simultaneous: - 2GB RAM - Single CPU - 50GB Drive - Windows 2003 (just because the app is unsupported, doesn't mean the OS has to be as well) If I was forced to go with a physical config: - 2GB RAM - Single CPU - C: 80GB (Mirrored) - Windows 2003 There. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. *bloated sig removed* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
Why shun SATA? SATA is a lot like Shookie Baby: Cheap Prone to failure Prone to overheat Never has enough cache Usually runs in bad batches Webster who just loves to pick on Shookem and wonders why Shookem hasn't taken out a TRO or PRO yet!) From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
Call!! L3 Jonathan L. Raper, MCSE Thumb-typed from my HTC Incredible (and yes, it really is) Droid. Please excuse brevity any misspellings. - Reply message - From: Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 10:42 am Subject: Small server To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com I'll see your lack of details, and raise you self-suggested scenarios: I'd put this into a VM with the following config, assuming 50-60 users, most of them simultaneous: * 2GB RAM * Single CPU * 50GB Drive * Windows 2003 (just because the app is unsupported, doesn't mean the OS has to be as well) If I was forced to go with a physical config: * 2GB RAM * Single CPU * C: 80GB (Mirrored) * Windows 2003 There. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. bloated sig removed ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons to view, copy, disclose, or disseminate CONFIDENTIAL information. This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and/or entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete this material from your computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information that it contains. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
Its not that I shun it, I just don't find them to be as reliable as SCSI. That being said, I run SATA RAID1 in what I consider my main DC and also in my storage servers that I use for backup purposes but any servers hosting an important application I use SCSI. I'm actually making a decision right now putting together specs for a report server for our soon to arrive practice management and EHR software. Its not mission critical so I wanted to go with SATA but the vendor says its IO intensive (SQL server) and to use SCSI but from what I gathered it seems SATA speeds are about the same. For the practice management server, I will be using SAS. James - Original Message - From: Martin Blackstone To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Small server It almost seems like SATA would be fine for a single app. From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
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RE: Small server
Depends.. if important server, I would have the OS one RAID1. I do not think a time/reporting application would require that much in resources. I would just have two hard drives in a RAID1 for both the o/s and the application. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. John-AldrichPerception_2 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: Small server
TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again... I think it may also be time to look for a replacement. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dells Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless Im mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? Were primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: eopen - grrr
Speeding things up involves mucking about with time travel, and this remains an unsupported and unrecommended approach. Plan B looks more promising: - http://www.sqldev.org/sql-server-setup--upgrade/need-to-enter-new-license-key-for-sql-server-2008-where-though-90807.shtml - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143393(SQL.100).aspx - http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/sqlsetupandupgrade/thread/539a7fbd-f423-4552-af0d-bcb5627b8aad http://www.sqldev.org/sql-server-setup--upgrade/need-to-enter-new-license-key-for-sql-server-2008-where-though-90807.shtml *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:45 AM, jesse-r...@wi.rr.com wrote: Argh. I'm on-site at a customer hoping to install a new application per their request that requires SQL 2008. They have the SQL license from MS (auth # and license #), but when putting this info into MS' licensing eopen website, it now says I have to wait 24 hours to get the license ADDED to my list of avialable licenses/software. Seriously? We waited days already for MS to process the license, and now that we have the license, we have to wait 24 hours to download SQL 2008? Is there any way to speed this up? Can I install the 120 day trial version of SQL and convert it to the full licensed version later? Customer needs the new application/SQL installed today while I'm on site Bah. Thanks ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: [maybe spam] RE: Small server
I think you've tarred both SATA and Shook with a bad brush. In both cases, while what you've said may have been true in the past is not necessarily true anymore. SATA has become much more reliable and capable, especially the server-class drives used by the SAN vendors. We have SATA drives in our EQ arrays that have been running 24/7 for three years with zero problems. Of course, there's always exceptions like a bad batch or two. Mr. Shook has, I have it from good sources, made major efforts to change his life for the better too. In both cases, people are holding on to the old and refusing to recognize the new. (ok, I know in Shook's case, it's all in fun). I guess that us IT folks are no different than anybody else, we don't let reality alter our perceptions of how things are. From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [maybe spam] RE: Small server Why shun SATA? SATA is a lot like Shookie Baby: Cheap Prone to failure Prone to overheat Never has enough cache Usually runs in bad batches Webster who just loves to pick on Shookem and wonders why Shookem hasn't taken out a TRO or PRO yet!) From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Remote Control PC Software
TeamViewer is one of the few viewers that actually work with 3d games remotely. Saw some demos of Teradacis PCoIP and Citrix HDX which looked great for hardcore remoting. From:Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 9:45:52 AM Subject: Re: Remote Control PC Software TeamViewer? Free for personal use. T typed slowly on HTC Desire On 28 Sep 2010 14:41, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
+1 my thinking exactly. If your hardware is 32-bit only then 2008 non-R2. 2003 went off mainstream support in June or July of this year. How much that ultimately matters since you get patches until 2014 I dunno, but I don't feel right deploying a new box that is off mainstream vendor support. My $0.02. Dave From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server I raise you Server 2003 R2, thank-you-very-much. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server I'll see your lack of details, and raise you self-suggested scenarios: I'd put this into a VM with the following config, assuming 50-60 users, most of them simultaneous: * 2GB RAM * Single CPU * 50GB Drive * Windows 2003 (just because the app is unsupported, doesn't mean the OS has to be as well) If I was forced to go with a physical config: * 2GB RAM * Single CPU * C: 80GB (Mirrored) * Windows 2003 There. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. bloated sig removed ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
Yeah the only problem with that is if he wants to replace it with Kronos. Kronos itself is expensive. - Original Message - From: Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Small server TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again... I think it may also be time to look for a replacement. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
Yeah. They have a replacement they're trying to sell us. It's called Workforce Central. That being said, it's expensive and we'd likely have to pay some fees to get the payroll set up to work with the new product. I'm hoping we can upgrade our iSeries and there are some products that run directly on iSeries that will integrate with our clocks just fine (TKC can't talk directly to the clocks and does not support the clocks, per se, so any time there's a problem, it's a finger-pointing exercise between Handlink and Kronos.) The problem is getting management buy-in. :-( -Original Message- From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again... I think it may also be time to look for a replacement. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dells Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless Im mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? Were primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: eopen - grrr
Interesting, I don't even have to enter auth and license # anymore when I buy stuff from CDW. The license info and download links get in there automagically now that MS changed the eopen site around. - Original Message - From: jesse-r...@wi.rr.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: eopen - grrr Argh. I'm on-site at a customer hoping to install a new application per their request that requires SQL 2008. They have the SQL license from MS (auth # and license #), but when putting this info into MS' licensing eopen website, it now says I have to wait 24 hours to get the license ADDED to my list of avialable licenses/software. Seriously? We waited days already for MS to process the license, and now that we have the license, we have to wait 24 hours to download SQL 2008? Is there any way to speed this up? Can I install the 120 day trial version of SQL and convert it to the full licensed version later? Customer needs the new application/SQL installed today while I'm on site Bah. Thanks ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: BES Logs
Thanks again that was pretty good, I'll keep that for the next
investigation.
Stefan
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:
so yes. this works but is still not as pretty as it could be.
PS:\ Get-ChildItem '\\serverName\d$\Research in Motion\BlackBerry
Enterprise Server\Logs\*' -Recurse -Include PhoneCallLog*.csv |
Select-String -SimpleMatch -Pattern Steven Peck | export-csv
./filename.csv -NoTypeInformation
When exploring, I tend to stick things in variables so I can play with
them.
PS:\ $logs = Get-ChildItem '\\serverName\d$\Research in Motion\BlackBerry
Enterprise Server\Logs\*' -Recurse -Include PhoneCallLog*.csv |
Select-String -SimpleMatch -Pattern Steven Peck
PS: $logs | Get-Memeber -memberType Property
Name MemberType Definition
-- --
ContextProperty Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.MatchInfoContext
Context {get;set;}
Filename Property System.String Filename {get;}
IgnoreCase Property System.Boolean IgnoreCase {get;set;}
Line Property System.String Line {get;set;}
LineNumber Property System.Int32 LineNumber {get;set;}
MatchesProperty System.Text.RegularExpressions.Match[] Matches
{get;set;}
Path Property System.String Path {get;set;}
PatternProperty System.String Pattern {get;set;}
About the only thing that seems interesting to me are Line, Filename, and
Pattern
Line because it has the match, filename as it has the log file date and
pattern to remind myself what I was searching for.
PS: $logs | Select Filename, Pattern, Line -first 5
that shows if it's what I want.
PS: $logs | Select Filename, Pattern, Line | Export-Csv ./file.csv
-NoTypeInformation
Trivia you need -NoTypeInformation or dotNet puts a type line as the first
entry in the file.
Now that gets you a lot of the way there, but Line still would benefit
from being parsed out. I am pretty sure there is a way to split it up but
don't have time to play with it this morning. I put it on my white board as
a follow up just because knowing how would be useful later.
oh, you can skip the variable and just do this
PS:\ Get-ChildItem '\\serverName\d$\Research in Motion\BlackBerry
Enterprise Server\Logs\*' -Recurse -Include PhoneCallLog*.csv |
Select-String -SimpleMatch -Pattern Steven Peck | Select Filename,
Pattern, Line | Export-Csv ./file.csv -NoTypeInformation
I thought I would show you how I arrived at this though. Micheal may have
a way better way to get to this point, but I'm not there yet. I put some
good PowerShell links in a block on my website, free eBook, collection of
blogs and such. I am adding to it as I find things.
Steven Peck
www.blkmtn.org
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Stefan Jafs stefan.j...@gmail.comwrote:
Great that worked like a charm! But it did require a bit of work to make
it look good in Excel, would it be possible to pipe directly to a CSV file?
SJ
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:
I just tested this and it pulled all my activity off my logs.
PS:\ Get-ChildItem '\\serverName\d$\Research in Motion\BlackBerry
Enterprise Server\Logs\*' -Recurse -Include PhoneCallLog*.csv |
Select-String -SimpleMatch -Pattern Steven Peck
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Stefan Jafs stefan.j...@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks Michael, I'll play with findstr
SJ
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Michael B. Smith
mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
Oh, this is so much easier using find (Unix version) or findstr
(cmd.exe version). Such as:
Cd /d c:\log-file-directory
findstr /i /s /c:”literal-search-string”
PhoneCallLog*.csv
PowerShell would go something like:
Get-ChildItem c:\log-file-directory\* -recurse –include
PhoneCallLog*.csv | select-string –simplematch –pattern
“literal-search-string”
You can do a LOT more with the PowerShell command(s), but in this
simple case, cmd.exe is easier to use.
Regards,
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/
*From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 4:26 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: BES Logs
Any chance you could do a few PS lines for me with the following
conditions:
Logs Directory each day has a folder with the date (20100923) then the
phone log is PhoneCalllog_20100923.csv, I would just like to search for
particular phone number.
SJ
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Michael B. Smith
mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
Findstr, grep, awk, sed, PowerShell, WinGrep, etc. etc…. all have
multi-file capabilities.
Regards,
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/
*From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 4:11 PM
*To:* NT System
Re: [maybe spam] RE: Small server
Nicely stated...though I'll need empirical data on Shook. - WJR On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 09:55, Kim Longenbaugh k...@colonialsavings.comwrote: I think you’ve tarred both SATA and Shook with a bad brush. In both cases, while what you’ve said may have been true in the past is not necessarily true anymore. SATA has become much more reliable and capable, especially the “server-class” drives used by the SAN vendors. We have SATA drives in our EQ arrays that have been running 24/7 for three years with zero problems. Of course, there’s always exceptions like a bad batch or two. Mr. Shook has, I have it from good sources, made major efforts to change his life for the better too. In both cases, people are holding on to the old and refusing to recognize the new. (ok, I know in Shook’s case, it’s all in fun). I guess that us IT folks are no different than anybody else, we don’t let reality alter our perceptions of how things are. *From:* Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:47 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* [maybe spam] RE: Small server Why shun SATA? SATA is a lot like Shookie Baby: Cheap Prone to failure Prone to overheat Never has enough cache Usually runs in bad batches Webster “who just loves to pick on Shookem and wonders why Shookem hasn’t taken out a TRO or PRO yet!) *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Subject:* Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
Well, the options I was looking at (before I agreed that virtualizing was probably the best option) were: PERC S300 3Gb/s SAS/SATA Internal Sotware RAID Adapter SAS 6iR SAS Internal RAID Adapter PERC H200 Adapter Internal RAID Controller No matter what I did, I couldn't seem to get a RAID 5 config with anything other than the PERC S300 Software RAID Adaptor(sic) This is all an exercise in futility, though, as I am looking to virtualize whenever I can, so will probably not go to the trouble of upgrading the server that this time and attendance product is running on. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally,
Re: OT: TechMentor
unfortunately I'm not going this year On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Christopher Bodnar christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote: Anyone going ? Chris Bodnar, MCSE Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
Any day now, I'm going to get around to updating: http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/Docs/?File=ServerSpecs.PDF http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/Docs/?File=ServerSpecs.PDFSo much technology has changed! :) *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com wrote: Depends.. if important server, I would have the OS one RAID1. I do not think a time/reporting application would require that much in resources. I would just have two hard drives in a RAID1 for both the o/s and the application. *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:55 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: Small server
Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We're primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including white box servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
RE: OT: TechMentor
So, those of you that go to TechMentor instead of Connections - why do you choose TEchMentor? (I'm just curious - I've never been to TechMentor.) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: TechMentor unfortunately I'm not going this year On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Christopher Bodnar christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote: Anyone going ? Chris Bodnar, MCSE Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
It works just fine on a VM. (Not that I'm willing to support it for you - but I'm running it on a VM. But I didn't ask first.) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server?
Re: Small server
You ruined my straight flush. *ASB* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: I raise you “Server 2003 R2”, thank-you-very-much. :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:42 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server I'll see your lack of details, and raise you self-suggested scenarios: I'd put this into a VM with the following config, assuming 50-60 users, most of them simultaneous: - 2GB RAM - Single CPU - 50GB Drive - Windows 2003 (just because the app is unsupported, doesn't mean the OS has to be as well) If I was forced to go with a physical config: - 2GB RAM - Single CPU - C: 80GB (Mirrored) - Windows 2003 There. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. *bloated sig removed* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or
Re: Small server
+1 - WJR On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:17, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software
RE: OT: TechMentor
Wondering the same. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: TechMentor So, those of you that go to TechMentor instead of Connections - why do you choose TEchMentor? (I'm just curious - I've never been to TechMentor.) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: TechMentor unfortunately I'm not going this year On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Christopher Bodnar christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote: Anyone going ? Chris Bodnar, MCSE Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Small server
Good to know. Thanks, Michael. I guess since Kronos barely supports TKC anymore anyway, it's probably not much of a stretch to say they won't support it in a VM. :-) -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server It works just fine on a VM. (Not that I'm willing to support it for you - but I'm running it on a VM. But I didn't ask first.) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can
RE: Small server
Ahh...gotcha. What they dont know can't hurt us? ;-) From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Small server I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell's Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I'm
RE: eopen - grrr
Funny - Today I had the exact same problem. Bah is right! -Original Message- From: jesse-r...@wi.rr.com [mailto:jesse-r...@wi.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: eopen - grrr Argh. I'm on-site at a customer hoping to install a new application per their request that requires SQL 2008. They have the SQL license from MS (auth # and license #), but when putting this info into MS' licensing eopen website, it now says I have to wait 24 hours to get the license ADDED to my list of avialable licenses/software. Seriously? We waited days already for MS to process the license, and now that we have the license, we have to wait 24 hours to download SQL 2008? Is there any way to speed this up? Can I install the 120 day trial version of SQL and convert it to the full licensed version later? Customer needs the new application/SQL installed today while I'm on site Bah. Thanks ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Small server
Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. Therefore the answer is: maybe. -sc From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:
RE: Small server
And then there's Oracle who _WILL_ support their database in a VM. Provided it's THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system
Re: Small server
Yes, that really grinds my nuts... However, I've heard some places have forced Oracle to support their DB and Apps on VMware in order to get the business... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: And then there’s Oracle who _*WILL*_ support their database in a VM. Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is
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+1 We have developers HERE that insist on using physical machines because of the unknown a VM brings to themis it really too much to ask for a programmer to understand the generalities of a VM? Dave From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one
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I've heard that can be done as well... -sc From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Yes, that really grinds my nuts... However, I've heard some places have forced Oracle to support their DB and Apps on VMware in order to get the business... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: And then there's Oracle who _WILL_ support their database in a VM. Provided it's THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB
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Developers don't get to insist on anything here... They get what I give them... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: +1 We have developers HERE that insist on using physical machines because of the unknown a VM brings to them….is it really too much to ask for a programmer to understand the generalities of a VM? Dave *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients
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It's very possible to do, if there are enough digits in the proposal/invoice... *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that really grinds my nuts... However, I've heard some places have forced Oracle to support their DB and Apps on VMware in order to get the business... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: And then there’s Oracle who _*WILL*_ support their database in a VM. Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's
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Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. Oh, some of us do use it. It's very nice actually. We just don't use it in production. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: And then there’s Oracle who _*WILL*_ support their database in a VM. Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said
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For as much as the DB, Mid Tier and Apps cost, there will always be enough digits... :P On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: It's very possible to do, if there are enough digits in the proposal/invoice... *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that really grinds my nuts... However, I've heard some places have forced Oracle to support their DB and Apps on VMware in order to get the business... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: And then there’s Oracle who _*WILL*_ support their database in a VM. Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI
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It's Xen isn't it? Lots of people use Xen... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Provided it's THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. Oh, some of us do use it. It's very nice actually. We just don't use it in production. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com wrote: And then there's Oracle who _WILL_ support their database in a VM. Provided it's THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is
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I had that battle two years ago with some developers, and we created a set of VMs for them, and let them compare performance between the VMs and the physical systems. When they couldn't tell the difference in performance or usability, they were given only VMs. :) *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:56 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: +1 We have developers HERE that insist on using physical machines because of the unknown a VM brings to them….is it really too much to ask for a programmer to understand the generalities of a VM? Dave *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very
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That is one my least favorite metaphors. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Don Ely don@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that really grinds my nuts... However, I've heard some places have forced Oracle to support their DB and Apps on VMware in order to get the business... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: And then there’s Oracle who _*WILL*_ support their database in a VM. Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and
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Please forgive my hyperbole... but yeah... not a lot of production installations I've heard of. Not that I really feel that large DB's are a great match for a VM'd environment, it's just their stance that sticks in my craw. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Provided it's THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. Oh, some of us do use it. It's very nice actually. We just don't use it in production. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: And then there's Oracle who _WILL_ support their database in a VM. Provided it's THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server
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Based on it, but we were told you have to use Oracle's flavor to be supported... -sc From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Small server It's Xen isn't it? Lots of people use Xen... Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Provided it's THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. Oh, some of us do use it. It's very nice actually. We just don't use it in production. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: And then there's Oracle who _WILL_ support their database in a VM. Provided it's THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues
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Don't most things stick there? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Please forgive my hyperbole… but yeah… not a lot of production installations I’ve heard of. Not that I really feel that large DB’s are a great match for a VM’d environment, it’s just their stance that sticks in my craw. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:00 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. Oh, some of us do use it. It's very nice actually. We just don't use it in production. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: And then there’s Oracle who _*WILL*_ support their database in a VM. Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine
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You mean besides me! Webster From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Subject: RE: Small server It's Xen isn't it? Lots of people use Xen. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Small server Provided it's THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. Oh, some of us do use it. It's very nice actually. We just don't use it in production. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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et a system with a PERC controller for your RAID configuration. You'll regret going with SW RAID in the long run. Roger Wright ___ When it's GOOD there ain't nothin' like it, and when it's BAD there ain't nothin' like it! On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:55 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote: I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so I can have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at Dell’s Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, unless I’m mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a Hardware RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? We’re primarily a Dell shop here, but I can look at others, including “white box” servers, so long as I can get some sort of warranty / hardware support on it. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage002.jpgimage001.jpg
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From home I can get to www.eeye.comhttp://www.eeye.com From %dayjob% I still get an eEye scheduled maintenance page, so it's as if DNS isn't resolving quite right. I have tried from multiple machines in my org, same result. Ideas of where to look? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Who provides your DNS and web filtering? :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: eeye eeye eeye oh! (www.eeye.com) From home I can get to www.eeye.comhttp://www.eeye.com From %dayjob% I still get an eEye scheduled maintenance page, so it's as if DNS isn't resolving quite right. I have tried from multiple machines in my org, same result. Ideas of where to look? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Proxy cache? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Lum david@nwea.org Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:29:38 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: eeye eeye eeye oh! (www.eeye.com) From home I can get to www.eeye.comhttp://www.eeye.com From %dayjob% I still get an eEye scheduled maintenance page, so it's as if DNS isn't resolving quite right. I have tried from multiple machines in my org, same result. Ideas of where to look? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Does NSLOOKUP give you the same result as you get on your home box? Roger Wright ___ When it's GOOD there ain't nothin' like it, and when it's BAD there ain't nothin' like it! On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:29 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: From home I can get to www.eeye.com From %dayjob% I still get an eEye “scheduled maintenance” page, so it’s as if DNS isn’t resolving quite right. I have tried from multiple machines in my org, same result. Ideas of where to look? *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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I got right it from my notoriously bad (from a DNS standpoint) connection. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP [cid:image001.jpg@01CB5F09.60CF8BF0] [cid:image002.jpg@01CB5F09.60CF8BF0] [cid:image003.jpg@01CB5F09.60CF8BF0] [cid:image004.png@01CB5F09.60CF8BF0] [cid:image005.png@01CB5F09.60CF8BF0] From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: eeye eeye eeye oh! (www.eeye.com) From home I can get to www.eeye.comhttp://www.eeye.com From %dayjob% I still get an eEye scheduled maintenance page, so it's as if DNS isn't resolving quite right. I have tried from multiple machines in my org, same result. Ideas of where to look? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpginline: image003.jpginline: image004.pnginline: image005.png
Re: Small server
Gonna have to put that one on the least favorite list too. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Please forgive my hyperbole… but yeah… not a lot of production installations I’ve heard of. Not that I really feel that large DB’s are a great match for a VM’d environment, it’s just their stance that sticks in my craw. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:00 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. Oh, some of us do use it. It's very nice actually. We just don't use it in production. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: And then there’s Oracle who _*WILL*_ support their database in a VM. Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their
RE: eeye eeye eeye oh! (www.eeye.com)
Websense handles our filtering...oddly if we RDP to one of our COLO servers it does work. If I specify a public DNS server (OpenDNS, or others) from a PC experience this weird symptom I get the same maintenance page. Somehow feels like a router-y thing...unless it's a Websense issue which is kind of the same thing... From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: eeye eeye eeye oh! (www.eeye.com) Who provides your DNS and web filtering? :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: eeye eeye eeye oh! (www.eeye.com) From home I can get to www.eeye.comhttp://www.eeye.com From %dayjob% I still get an eEye scheduled maintenance page, so it's as if DNS isn't resolving quite right. I have tried from multiple machines in my org, same result. Ideas of where to look? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
OT RE: Small server
Off on a tangent here... I was wondering if they refer to you male child as Will Robbins' son (assuming you have a male child, of course). From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server +1 - WJR On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:17, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and
RE: Remote Control PC Software
Join.me crashes, reproducibly, in my environment with win7x64. PASS. From: Cameron [mailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Remote Control PC Software YES!! Thanks Richard! It was https://join.me https://join.me/ that I was trying to remember! Cheers! Cameron On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: https://join.me https://join.me/ ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all! I recall a while back that there was a discussion about remote control software (free ones) and there was one that I tried and liked (for accessing my sisters PC across the internet) and now I can't remember what the heck it was called. I've checked ShowMyPC and LogMeIn but neither of those are the one I'm thinking of. Apparently I need more coffee! TIA Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT RE: Small server
Showing your age there... :-P Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT RE: Small server Off on a tangent here... I was wondering if they refer to you male child as Will Robbins' son (assuming you have a male child, of course). From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server +1 - WJR On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:17, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your definition of Software RAID? Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) ...or... Inexpensive Host RAID? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap RAID cards. (Mostly software) If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did have was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech community of MS's RAIDs. The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID 1. The recent Matrix RAID chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, the overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard drive speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a small server like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It all depends on what you're willing to spend. Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Re: Small server curious, why do you shun SATA ? On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware RAID1 with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the redundancy. No software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? James - Original Message - From: John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: RE: Small server Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper Central. Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of running Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a small DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over the network (via client software loaded on their machine) The machine that's currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2 Gig of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off a single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. Cut/paste from the system requirements document: 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte Free disk space. As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated in a LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a support engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but that's not supported, as XP is not a server O/S, which is required for multiple clients accessing the machine at one time. Thanks... Hope this
RE: Small server
For general software development - this is OK. Then there are firms that need to do development against hardware devices, and sometimes that's not possible to virtualise (either there isn't an emulator, or there isn't a way to connect the device into the VM in a reliable manner). In that case, a dedicated DEV environment is my usual answer. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server I had that battle two years ago with some developers, and we created a set of VMs for them, and let them compare performance between the VMs and the physical systems. When they couldn't tell the difference in performance or usability, they were given only VMs. :) ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:56 AM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: +1 We have developers HERE that insist on using physical machines because of the unknown a VM brings to themis it really too much to ask for a programmer to understand the generalities of a VM? Dave From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Small server Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are running the app in VMs. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was a VM. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say that TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or buy a physical server. :-( ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
