Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Stephen Wimberly]

I never got the "separate message" as well, so I assumed this was spam.  Is
the list actually being shut down?


On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Phil Hershey  wrote:

> Stu,
>
> ** **
>
> Never got a thing. I did just see your message about problems with Google
> Groups, so now I don’t have a clue where we’re going.  What’s the link for
> the correct list/host?
>
>
> Thanks. Can’t do without the list.
>
> ** **
>
> -Philip Hershey
>
> ** **
>
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> *From:* s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:45 AM
> *To:* lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> *Subject:* ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> ** **
>
>  
>
> Hi All,
>
>  
>
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4. 
>
>  
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, 
>
> which will shut down at the end of this month.  
>
>  
>
> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
>  
>
> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4. 
>
>  
>
> Warm regards,
>
>  
>
> Stu
>
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>
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

Hi, Phil.

 

Stu dropped me an email to make sure you are in the loop.

 

The list has moved to the following location:

 

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/services/email-lists/

 

You can find both the NT list and the Exchange list there.

 

 

From: Phil Hershey [mailto:phers...@agia.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 11:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Stu,

 

Never got a thing. I did just see your message about problems with Google
Groups, so now I don't have a clue where we're going.  What's the link for
the correct list/host?


Thanks. Can't do without the list.

 

-Philip Hershey

 

This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of
addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged
information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying,
disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are
not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return
e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies.

 

From: s...@knowbe4.com <mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>  [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:45 AM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

 

Hi All,

 

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4. 

 

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, 

which will shut down at the end of this month.  

 

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

 

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4. 

 

Warm regards,

 

Stu

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Phil Hershey]

Stu,

 

Never got a thing. I did just see your message about problems with
Google Groups, so now I don't have a clue where we're going.  What's the
link for the correct list/host?


Thanks. Can't do without the list.

 

-Philip Hershey

 

This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of
addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged
information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying,
disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you
are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by
return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies.

 

From: s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:45 AM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

 

Hi All,

 

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4. 

 

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, 

which will shut down at the end of this month.  

 

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

 

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4. 

 

Warm regards,

 

Stu


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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Graeme Carstairs]

Here here Gene


I have been very dissatisfied with gfi before they bought sunbelt and dud
not buy or sell their products
But they bought hound dog which we used heavily
And sunbelt which we sold heavily so had no choice
But this lost debacle is further proof of how shoddy a company gfi are



On Tuesday, 30 April 2013, C.E. Gene Connor wrote:

> Since this is the last day of the month and most likely the end of this
> list. Not really the end for good? Since one of the members here has
> offered to take on the task of making sure all the list members involved
> with the old one. Still have a place to give and get free advice.
>
>
>
> I was going to let this whole screw over job of the list go. But, as all
> who know of me. I’m a very open and straight forward on my outlooks and
> what I have to say! I realize it is your sponsored list run on your
> servers. And you have overhead to make it all work.
>
>
>
> And if you choose to take it down? That is fine for me. But, you also must
> realize that by not having enough “balls” Sorry ladies of the list. To come
> forward and give the list members any info or updates on what to expect. Is
> right down rude and uncalled for!
>
>
>
> What gets me the most is GFI never had any problems in the past posting to
> the list about new products or ways for them to make money? But, I guess
> you have forgotten a lot of the list members not only bought/used or pushed
> your products to places they worked at or even friends etc. And have helped
> you to get to the size you are now.
>
>
>
> As for myself I have no interest in your products and plan to share what
> has happened here and the way you have right out. CUT OFF the hand that has
> helped feed you for years!
>
>
>
> I would also like to thank Stu ,Alex and the rest of the old sunbelt group
> for the many years of list and personal support they have given to me and
> others members etc.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Free, Bob  'cvml', 'r...@pge.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me...
>>
>> > that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age
>>
>> Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in context
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com > 'cvml', 'rodtr...@myitforum.com');>]
>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery:
>> age.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com > 'kurt.b...@gmail.com');>]
>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire 
>> >
>> wrote:
>> > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except
>> Kurt.
>> > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
>> > device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
>> > country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
>> > entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance
>> > while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be
>> > it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments
>> > about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these
>> days.
>>
>> No checks for me.
>>
>> Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
>>
>> You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits
>> as unique to me.
>>
>> Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work
>> with and see the messages on.
>>
>> Get off my lawn.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
>> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
>> ---
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>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com> 'cvml', 'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com');>
>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Busines

RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

"there"

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: c.e. gene connor [mailto:cege...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 2:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> On 4/30/2013 1:45 PM, Mathew Shember wrote:
> > Maybe he was thinking of the vision levels of the older members of
the list.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Steve Ens [stevey...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:03 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> > Perhaps if you post in a larger font, they will listen more closely
to what you
> have to say
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM, C.E. Gene Connor
> mailto:cege...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Since this is the last day of the month and most likely the end of
this list.
> Not really the end for good? Since one of the members here has offered
to
> take on the task of making sure all the list members involved with the
old
> one. Still have a place to give and get free advice.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was going to let this whole screw over job of the list go. But, as
all who
> know of me. I'm a very open and straight forward on my outlooks and
what I
> have to say! I realize it is your sponsored list run on your servers.
And you
> have overhead to make it all work.
> >
> >
> >
> > And if you choose to take it down? That is fine for me. But, you
also must
> realize that by not having enough "balls" Sorry ladies of the list. To
come
> forward and give the list members any info or updates on what to
expect. Is
> right down rude and uncalled for!
> >
> >
> >
> > What gets me the most is GFI never had any problems in the past
posting
> to the list about new products or ways for them to make money? But, I
guess
> you have forgotten a lot of the list members not only bought/used or
pushed
> your products to places they worked at or even friends etc. And have
helped
> you to get to the size you are now.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for myself I have no interest in your products and plan to share
what has
> happened here and the way you have right out. CUT OFF the hand that
has
> helped feed you for years!
> >
> >
> >
> > I would also like to thank Stu ,Alex and the rest of the old sunbelt
group for
> the many years of list and personal support they have given to me and
> others members etc.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Free, Bob
> mailto:r...@pge.com>> wrote:
> > You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me...
> >
> >> that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery:
> >> age
> > Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in
> > context
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rod Trent
> > [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com<mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>]
> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> > And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole
mystery: age.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff
> > [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire
> mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone
> except Kurt.
> >> It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
> >> device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
> >> country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make
> >> the entry into the checkbook register, and update the running
balance
> >> while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so
be
> >> it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide
comments
> >> about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these
days.
> > No checks for me.
> >
> > Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
> >
> > You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting
habits
> as unique to me.
> >
> > Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to
work with
> and see the messages on.
> >
> > Get off my lawn.
> >
>

Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[c.e. gene connor]

On 4/30/2013 1:45 PM, Mathew Shember wrote:

Maybe he was thinking of the vision levels of the older members of the list.




From: Steve Ens [stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Perhaps if you post in a larger font, they will listen more closely to what you 
have to say


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM, C.E. Gene Connor 
mailto:cege...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Since this is the last day of the month and most likely the end of this list. 
Not really the end for good? Since one of the members here has offered to take 
on the task of making sure all the list members involved with the old one. 
Still have a place to give and get free advice.



I was going to let this whole screw over job of the list go. But, as all who 
know of me. I’m a very open and straight forward on my outlooks and what I have 
to say! I realize it is your sponsored list run on your servers. And you have 
overhead to make it all work.



And if you choose to take it down? That is fine for me. But, you also must 
realize that by not having enough “balls” Sorry ladies of the list. To come 
forward and give the list members any info or updates on what to expect. Is 
right down rude and uncalled for!



What gets me the most is GFI never had any problems in the past posting to the 
list about new products or ways for them to make money? But, I guess you have 
forgotten a lot of the list members not only bought/used or pushed your 
products to places they worked at or even friends etc. And have helped you to 
get to the size you are now.



As for myself I have no interest in your products and plan to share what has 
happened here and the way you have right out. CUT OFF the hand that has helped 
feed you for years!



I would also like to thank Stu ,Alex and the rest of the old sunbelt group for 
the many years of list and personal support they have given to me and others 
members etc.


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Free, Bob mailto:r...@pge.com>> 
wrote:
You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me...


that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age

Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in context

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com<mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire 
mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt.
It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance
while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be
it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments
about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days.

No checks for me.

Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.

You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits as 
unique to me.

Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work with 
and see the messages on.

Get off my lawn.

Kurt

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<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Mathew Shember]

Maybe he was thinking of the vision levels of the older members of the list.




From: Steve Ens [stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Perhaps if you post in a larger font, they will listen more closely to what you 
have to say


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM, C.E. Gene Connor 
mailto:cege...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Since this is the last day of the month and most likely the end of this list. 
Not really the end for good? Since one of the members here has offered to take 
on the task of making sure all the list members involved with the old one. 
Still have a place to give and get free advice.



I was going to let this whole screw over job of the list go. But, as all who 
know of me. I’m a very open and straight forward on my outlooks and what I have 
to say! I realize it is your sponsored list run on your servers. And you have 
overhead to make it all work.



And if you choose to take it down? That is fine for me. But, you also must 
realize that by not having enough “balls” Sorry ladies of the list. To come 
forward and give the list members any info or updates on what to expect. Is 
right down rude and uncalled for!



What gets me the most is GFI never had any problems in the past posting to the 
list about new products or ways for them to make money? But, I guess you have 
forgotten a lot of the list members not only bought/used or pushed your 
products to places they worked at or even friends etc. And have helped you to 
get to the size you are now.



As for myself I have no interest in your products and plan to share what has 
happened here and the way you have right out. CUT OFF the hand that has helped 
feed you for years!



I would also like to thank Stu ,Alex and the rest of the old sunbelt group for 
the many years of list and personal support they have given to me and others 
members etc.


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Free, Bob mailto:r...@pge.com>> 
wrote:
You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me...

> that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age

Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in context

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com<mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire 
mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt.
> It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
> device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
> country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
> entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance
> while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be
> it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments
> about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days.

No checks for me.

Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.

You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits as 
unique to me.

Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work with 
and see the messages on.

Get off my lawn.

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

Fascinating.

 

-sc

 

From: C.E. Gene Connor [mailto:cege...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Since this is the last day of the month and most likely the end of this
list. Not really the end for good? Since one of the members here has
offered to take on the task of making sure all the list members involved
with the old one. Still have a place to give and get free advice.

 

I was going to let this whole screw over job of the list go. But, as all
who know of me. I'm a very open and straight forward on my outlooks and
what I have to say! I realize it is your sponsored list run on your
servers. And you have overhead to make it all work.

 

And if you choose to take it down? That is fine for me. But, you also
must realize that by not having enough "balls" Sorry ladies of the list.
To come forward and give the list members any info or updates on what to
expect. Is right down rude and uncalled for!

 

What gets me the most is GFI never had any problems in the past posting
to the list about new products or ways for them to make money? But, I
guess you have forgotten a lot of the list members not only bought/used
or pushed your products to places they worked at or even friends etc.
And have helped you to get to the size you are now.

 

As for myself I have no interest in your products and plan to share what
has happened here and the way you have right out. CUT OFF the hand that
has helped feed you for years!

 

I would also like to thank Stu ,Alex and the rest of the old sunbelt
group for the many years of list and personal support they have given to
me and others members etc.

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:

You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me...


> that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age

Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in context


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]

Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery:
age.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire 
wrote:
> Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except
Kurt.
> It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
> device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
> country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
> entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance
> while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be
> it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments
> about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these
days.

No checks for me.

Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.

You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits
as unique to me.

Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work
with and see the messages on.

Get off my lawn.

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steve Ens]

Perhaps if you post in a larger font, they will listen more closely to what
you have to say


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM, C.E. Gene Connor wrote:

> Since this is the last day of the month and most likely the end of this
> list. Not really the end for good? Since one of the members here has
> offered to take on the task of making sure all the list members involved
> with the old one. Still have a place to give and get free advice.
>
>
>
> I was going to let this whole screw over job of the list go. But, as all
> who know of me. I’m a very open and straight forward on my outlooks and
> what I have to say! I realize it is your sponsored list run on your
> servers. And you have overhead to make it all work.
>
>
>
> And if you choose to take it down? That is fine for me. But, you also must
> realize that by not having enough “balls” Sorry ladies of the list. To come
> forward and give the list members any info or updates on what to expect. Is
> right down rude and uncalled for!
>
>
>
> What gets me the most is GFI never had any problems in the past posting to
> the list about new products or ways for them to make money? But, I guess
> you have forgotten a lot of the list members not only bought/used or pushed
> your products to places they worked at or even friends etc. And have helped
> you to get to the size you are now.
>
>
>
> As for myself I have no interest in your products and plan to share what
> has happened here and the way you have right out. CUT OFF the hand that has
> helped feed you for years!
>
>
>
> I would also like to thank Stu ,Alex and the rest of the old sunbelt group
> for the many years of list and personal support they have given to me and
> others members etc.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:
>
>> You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me...
>>
>> > that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age
>>
>> Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in context
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery:
>> age.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire 
>> wrote:
>> > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except
>> Kurt.
>> > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
>> > device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
>> > country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
>> > entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance
>> > while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be
>> > it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments
>> > about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these
>> days.
>>
>> No checks for me.
>>
>> Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
>>
>> You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits
>> as unique to me.
>>
>> Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work
>> with and see the messages on.
>>
>> Get off my lawn.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
>> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
>> ---
>> To manage subscriptions click here:
>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
>> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
>> ---
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>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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>>
>>
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>> To learn more, please visit
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[C.E. Gene Connor]

Since this is the last day of the month and most likely the end of this
list. Not really the end for good? Since one of the members here has
offered to take on the task of making sure all the list members involved
with the old one. Still have a place to give and get free advice.



I was going to let this whole screw over job of the list go. But, as all
who know of me. I’m a very open and straight forward on my outlooks and
what I have to say! I realize it is your sponsored list run on your
servers. And you have overhead to make it all work.



And if you choose to take it down? That is fine for me. But, you also must
realize that by not having enough “balls” Sorry ladies of the list. To come
forward and give the list members any info or updates on what to expect. Is
right down rude and uncalled for!



What gets me the most is GFI never had any problems in the past posting to
the list about new products or ways for them to make money? But, I guess
you have forgotten a lot of the list members not only bought/used or pushed
your products to places they worked at or even friends etc. And have helped
you to get to the size you are now.



As for myself I have no interest in your products and plan to share what
has happened here and the way you have right out. CUT OFF the hand that has
helped feed you for years!



I would also like to thank Stu ,Alex and the rest of the old sunbelt group
for the many years of list and personal support they have given to me and
others members etc.


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:

> You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me...
>
> > that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age
>
> Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in context
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery:
> age.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire 
> wrote:
> > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except
> Kurt.
> > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
> > device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
> > country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
> > entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance
> > while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be
> > it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments
> > about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days.
>
> No checks for me.
>
> Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
>
> You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits
> as unique to me.
>
> Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work
> with and see the messages on.
>
> Get off my lawn.
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>
>
>
> PG&E is committed to protecting our customers' privacy.
> To learn more, please visit
> http://www.pge.com/about/company/privacy/customer/
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>



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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

Nor make incorrect absolute assertions.

;)

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Link  
> wrote:
> > Did you just top post?
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >>
> >> To my mind, it's all the difference...
> >>
> >> Email comes to me. I see it all in my inbox, and can read and respond
> >> at leisure, and it all works as a normal email conversation.
> >>
> >> I have to go to web forums. Each one has a different interface and
> >> ways of working.
> >>
> >> Definitely prefer email.
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey  wrote:
> >> > Google Plus is web based.  I like good old email over web based.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPad mini
> >> >
> >> > On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "Michael B. Smith"
> >> > 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I will not use a google property for something that has a business
> >> > purpose for me.
> >> >
> >> > I’m only one person, but I doubt I’m the only one that feels that way.
> >> >
> >> > From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
> >>
> >> > Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
> >> >
> >> > Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
> >> >
> >> > Or build our own?
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > See response below...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> >> >> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.
> >> >> Then, I realize your response is *under* the original text.
> >> >> Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -Original Message-
> >> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> >> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi All,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
> >> >>> which will shut down at the end of this month.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Warm regards,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Stu
> >> >>
> >> >> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> >> >>
> >> >> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
> >> >> where's the subscription info?
> >> >>
> >> >> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> >> >>
> >> >> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane
> >> >> list handler?
> >> >>
> >> >> Kurt
> >> >
> >> > No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to
> >> > empty lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of
> >> > the message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to
> >> > each message.
> >> >
> >> > It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two
> >> > reasons:
> >> >
> >> > o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the
> >> > way through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of
> >> > read the reply, then bounce down and read the original post
> >> >
> >> > o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
> >> > easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
> >> > thoughts in the original post(s).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kurt
> >> >
> >> > G. Waleed Kavalec
> 
> Couldn't have been - I never would do that.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-
> Enterprise/>  ~
> 
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> Did you just top post?
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> To my mind, it's all the difference...
>>
>> Email comes to me. I see it all in my inbox, and can read and respond
>> at leisure, and it all works as a normal email conversation.
>>
>> I have to go to web forums. Each one has a different interface and
>> ways of working.
>>
>> Definitely prefer email.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey  wrote:
>> > Google Plus is web based.  I like good old email over web based.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad mini
>> >
>> > On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "Michael B. Smith" 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I will not use a google property for something that has a business
>> > purpose
>> > for me.
>> >
>> > I’m only one person, but I doubt I’m the only one that feels that way.
>> >
>> > From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
>>
>> > Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
>> >
>> > Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
>> >
>> > Or build our own?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> >
>> > See response below...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
>> > wrote:
>> >> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
>> >> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then,
>> >> I
>> >> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
>> >> Gmail thing?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi All,
>> >>>
>> >>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>> >>>
>> >>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> >>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>> >>>
>> >>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>> >>>
>> >>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>> >>>
>> >>> Warm regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Stu
>> >>
>> >> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>> >>
>> >> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
>> >> where's
>> >> the subscription info?
>> >>
>> >> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>> >>
>> >> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
>> >> handler?
>> >>
>> >> Kurt
>> >
>> > No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
>> > lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
>> > message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
>> > message.
>> >
>> > It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two
>> > reasons:
>> >
>> > o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
>> > through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
>> > reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>> >
>> > o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
>> > easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
>> > thoughts in the original post(s).
>> >
>> >
>> > Kurt
>> >
>> > G. Waleed Kavalec

Couldn't have been - I never would do that.

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Crawford, Scott]

:)

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Did you just top post?

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
To my mind, it's all the difference...

Email comes to me. I see it all in my inbox, and can read and respond
at leisure, and it all works as a normal email conversation.

I have to go to web forums. Each one has a different interface and
ways of working.

Definitely prefer email.

Kurt

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey 
mailto:r...@finnesey.com>> wrote:
> Google Plus is web based.  I like good old email over web based.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad mini
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "Michael B. Smith" 
> mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>>
> wrote:
>
> I will not use a google property for something that has a business purpose
> for me.
>
>
>
> I'm only one person, but I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.
>
>
>
> From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com<mailto:kava...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
>
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
>
>
> Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
>
> Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
>
>
>
> Or build our own?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
> mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> See response below...
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
> mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
>> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
>> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
>> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
>> Gmail thing?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
>> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>>
>>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>>
>>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>>
>>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Stu
>>
>> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>>
>> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
>> the subscription info?
>>
>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>>
>> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
>> handler?
>>
>> Kurt
>
> No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
> lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
> message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
> message.
>
> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
>
> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
> reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>
> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
> easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
> thoughts in the original post(s).
>
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
> or send an email to 
> listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com<mailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com>
> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> G. Waleed Kavalec
> --
>
> "The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and
> fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices,
> to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill
> and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a
> scapegoat

RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Crawford, Scott]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 6:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

To my mind, it's all the difference...

Email comes to me. I see it all in my inbox, and can read and respond at 
leisure, and it all works as a normal email conversation.

I have to go to web forums. Each one has a different interface and ways of 
working.

Definitely prefer email.

Kurt

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey  wrote:
> Google Plus is web based.  I like good old email over web based.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad mini
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "Michael B. Smith" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> I will not use a google property for something that has a business 
> purpose for me.
>
>
>
> I’m only one person, but I doubt I’m the only one that feels that way.
>
>
>
> From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
>
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
>
>
> Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
>
> Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
>
>
>
> Or build our own?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> See response below...
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it 
>> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  
>> Then, I realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  
>> Is that a Gmail thing?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>>
>>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
>>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>>
>>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>>
>>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Stu
>>
>> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>>
>> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, 
>> where's the subscription info?
>>
>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>>
>> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list 
>> handler?
>>
>> Kurt
>
> No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty 
> lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the 
> message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each 
> message.
>
> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
>
> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way 
> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the 
> reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>
> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's 
> easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual 
> thoughts in the original post(s).
>
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> G. Waleed Kavalec
> --
>
> "The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and 
> explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, 
> attitudes, prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the 
> record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a 
> thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of 
> its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn.
>
> And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the 
> Twilight Zone."
>
>
>
> - Rod Serling;
>
> Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
>
> The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, p

Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jonathan Link]

Did you just top post?


On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> To my mind, it's all the difference...
>
> Email comes to me. I see it all in my inbox, and can read and respond
> at leisure, and it all works as a normal email conversation.
>
> I have to go to web forums. Each one has a different interface and
> ways of working.
>
> Definitely prefer email.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey  wrote:
> > Google Plus is web based.  I like good old email over web based.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad mini
> >
> > On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "Michael B. Smith" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > I will not use a google property for something that has a business
> purpose
> > for me.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m only one person, but I doubt I’m the only one that feels that way.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
> >
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> >
> >
> > Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
> >
> > Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
> >
> >
> >
> > Or build our own?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >
> > See response below...
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
> wrote:
> >> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> >> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> >> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> >> Gmail thing?
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >>>
> >>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> >>> will shut down at the end of this month.
> >>>
> >>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >>>
> >>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >>>
> >>> Warm regards,
> >>>
> >>> Stu
> >>
> >> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> >>
> >> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
> where's
> >> the subscription info?
> >>
> >> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> >>
> >> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> >> handler?
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >
> > No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
> > lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
> > message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
> > message.
> >
> > It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
> >
> > o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
> > through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
> > reply, then bounce down and read the original post
> >
> > o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
> > easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
> > thoughts in the original post(s).
> >
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >
> > ---
> > To manage subscriptions click here:
> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > G. Waleed Kavalec
> > --
> >
> > "The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions
> and
> > fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes,
> prejudice

RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Webster]

I can always get email no matter where I am or what customer I am doing work 
for.  Need to access a website to get forum "stuff"?  Not gonna happen in a lot 
of places.

Thanks


Webster


> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 6:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> To my mind, it's all the difference...
> 
> Email comes to me. I see it all in my inbox, and can read and respond at
> leisure, and it all works as a normal email conversation.
> 
> I have to go to web forums. Each one has a different interface and ways of
> working.
> 
> Definitely prefer email.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

---
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ryan Finnesey]

I wish the Microsoft News Groups there still running.  Never really go to the 
web forums on a regular basis.  

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 27, 2013, at 8:07 PM, "Kurt Buff"  wrote:

> To my mind, it's all the difference...
> 
> Email comes to me. I see it all in my inbox, and can read and respond
> at leisure, and it all works as a normal email conversation.
> 
> I have to go to web forums. Each one has a different interface and
> ways of working.
> 
> Definitely prefer email.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey  wrote:
>> Google Plus is web based.  I like good old email over web based.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad mini
>> 
>> On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "Michael B. Smith" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will not use a google property for something that has a business purpose
>> for me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’m only one person, but I doubt I’m the only one that feels that way.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
>> 
>> 
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
>> 
>> Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Or build our own?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> 
>> See response below...
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>>> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
>>> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
>>> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
>>> Gmail thing?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>>> 
>>>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>>>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>>> 
>>>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>>> 
>>>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>>> 
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Stu
>>> 
>>> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>>> 
>>> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
>>> the subscription info?
>>> 
>>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>>> 
>>> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
>>> handler?
>>> 
>>> Kurt
>> 
>> No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
>> lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
>> message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
>> message.
>> 
>> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
>> 
>> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
>> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
>> reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>> 
>> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
>> easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
>> thoughts in the original post(s).
>> 
>> 
>> Kurt
>> 
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>> 
>> ---
>> To manage subscriptions click here:
>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> G. Waleed Kavalec
>> --
>> 
>> "The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and
>> fallout. There are weapons that are simp

Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

To my mind, it's all the difference...

Email comes to me. I see it all in my inbox, and can read and respond
at leisure, and it all works as a normal email conversation.

I have to go to web forums. Each one has a different interface and
ways of working.

Definitely prefer email.

Kurt

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Ryan Finnesey  wrote:
> Google Plus is web based.  I like good old email over web based.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad mini
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "Michael B. Smith" 
> wrote:
>
> I will not use a google property for something that has a business purpose
> for me.
>
>
>
> I’m only one person, but I doubt I’m the only one that feels that way.
>
>
>
> From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
>
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
>
>
> Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
>
> Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
>
>
>
> Or build our own?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> See response below...
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
>> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
>> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
>> Gmail thing?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>>
>>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>>
>>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>>
>>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Stu
>>
>> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>>
>> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
>> the subscription info?
>>
>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>>
>> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
>> handler?
>>
>> Kurt
>
> No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
> lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
> message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
> message.
>
> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
>
> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
> reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>
> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
> easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
> thoughts in the original post(s).
>
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> G. Waleed Kavalec
> --
>
> "The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and
> fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices,
> to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill
> and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a
> scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children
> yet unborn.
>
> And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight
> Zone."
>
>
>
> - Rod Serling;
>
> Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
>
> The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
>
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
> http://lyris.sun

Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ryan Finnesey]

Google Plus is web based.  I like good old email over web based.

Sent from my iPad mini

On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:19 PM, "Michael B. Smith" 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:

I will not use a google property for something that has a business purpose for 
me.

I'm only one person, but I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

Or build our own?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt
No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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--
G. Waleed Kavalec
--
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and 
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to 
be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and 
suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has 
a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn.
And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight 
Zone."

- Rod Serling;
Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ryan Finnesey]

I miss the days of pine and elm lol 

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On Apr 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, "Michael B. Smith"  wrote:

> It was normal for 20 years, until Outlook didn't do it and it gained primacy. 
> All of the other clients followed along.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:55 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
> definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)
> 
> I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
> something.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:49 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> See response below...
> 
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it 
>> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I 
>> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a 
>> Gmail thing?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>> 
>>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
>>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>> 
>>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>> 
>>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> Stu
>> 
>> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>> 
>> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
>> the subscription info?
>> 
>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>> 
>> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>> 
>> Kurt
> 
> No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty lines 
> that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the message and delete 
> the cruft that the list software appends to each message.
> 
> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
> 
> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way 
> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the reply, 
> then bounce down and read the original post
> 
> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's easier to 
> maintain conversation flow while responding to individual thoughts in the 
> original post(s).
> 
> Kurt
> 
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ryan Finnesey]

Where you most within the message was also an "issue" on the NANOG list.  

Sent from my iPad mini

On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:30 PM, "Kurt Buff"  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>> Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
>> definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)
>> 
>> I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
>> something.
> 
> It used to be much easier and much more common, and most clients and
> listservs didn't make it hard to bottom post - gmail, and many others,
> now make you go through stupid gyrations to make email easy and more
> natural to read.
> 
> But, once your fingers learn the rhythm, it's no big deal, and it's a
> lot easier for others to read and follow along.
> 
> Kurt
> 
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ryan Finnesey]

I offered on the exchange list  I would be happy to setup and host a new 
listserv.

Sent from my iPad mini

On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:06 PM, "G.Waleed Kavalec" 
mailto:kava...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

Or build our own?



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jon Harris]

True but first time I have seen anyone actually post that they had indeed done 
it, at least publicly.  I was also kind of curious as to what they did once 
they had gotten the proof of stupidity. Jon
 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:07:33 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: jstew...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

Are you under the impression that this isn't going on everyday all over the 
world?  This isn't exactly a new idea.
-Jeff



On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:




So did you hand the data over to your bank the police or walk in and tell the 
manager?  I know as an underpaid public employee you would never consider 
reusing the information.  You would not be underpaid if you did.  I would think 
that since this has been posted that a number of students (hackers in training) 
are out in the parking lots of supermarkets looking for free credit card data.

 
Jon
 
From: kennedy...@elyriaschools.org
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:25:19 +









Kurt’s paper check might be the smart way.  One of the major grocery chains in 
Cleveland sent their debit card transactions complete with the account number
 and pin in plain text via wireless from their cash registers.  We were 
grabbing them from the parking lot just sitting in our car.
 
From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]


Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:16 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
 

Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt. 
It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile device 
significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and if Kurt 
wants to
 continue to write a paper check, make the entry into the checkbook register, 
and update the running balance while five people stand behind him in line at 
the grocery store so be it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make 
snide comments about those
 fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days. 


 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
See response below...



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?


>

>

> -Original Message-

> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]

> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

>

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:

>>

>>

>> Hi All,

>>

>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

>>

>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which

>> will shut down at the end of this month.

>>

>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

>>

>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

>>

>> Warm regards,

>>

>> Stu

>

> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

>

> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?

>

> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

>

> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?

>

> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty

lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the

message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each

message.



It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:



o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way

through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the

reply, then bounce down and read the original post



o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's

easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual

thoughts in the original post(s).




Kurt



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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jeff Steward]

Are you under the impression that this isn't going on everyday all over the
world?  This isn't exactly a new idea.

-Jeff


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> So did you hand the data over to your bank the police or walk in and tell
> the manager?  I know as an underpaid public employee you would never
> consider reusing the information.  You would not be underpaid if you did.
> I would think that since this has been posted that a number of students
> (hackers in training) are out in the parking lots of supermarkets looking
> for free credit card data.
>
> Jon
>
> --
> From: kennedy...@elyriaschools.org
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
>
> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:25:19 +
>
>  Kurt’s paper check might be the smart way.  One of the major grocery
> chains in Cleveland sent their debit card transactions complete with the
> account number and pin in plain text via wireless from their cash
> registers.  We were grabbing them from the parking lot just sitting in our
> car.
>
>
>
> *From:* Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2013 10:16 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
>
>
> Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except
> Kurt. It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
> device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and
> if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the entry into the
> checkbook register, and update the running balance while five people stand
> behind him in line at the grocery store so be it. But I also have the right
> to glare at him and make snide comments about those fancy new debit cards
> all the cool kids are using these days.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> See response below...
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> > Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
>
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> >> will shut down at the end of this month.
> >>
> >> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >>
> >> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> Warm regards,
> >>
> >> Stu
> >
> > Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> >
> > You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
> where's the subscription info?
> >
> > Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> >
> > Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
> >
> > Kurt
>
>  No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
> lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
> message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
> message.
>
> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
>
> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
> reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>
> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
> easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
> thoughts in the original post(s).
>
>
> Kurt
>
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jon Harris]

I thought in that case they had actually hacked the corp office since they were 
all over the country. Jon
 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 20:55:34 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: jonathan.l...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

IIRC, they already did this to TJ Maxx...

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:




So did you hand the data over to your bank the police or walk in and tell the 
manager?  I know as an underpaid public employee you would never consider 
reusing the information.  You would not be underpaid if you did.  I would think 
that since this has been posted that a number of students (hackers in training) 
are out in the parking lots of supermarkets looking for free credit card data.

 
Jon
 
From: kennedy...@elyriaschools.org
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:25:19 +









Kurt’s paper check might be the smart way.  One of the major grocery chains in 
Cleveland sent their debit card transactions complete with the account number
 and pin in plain text via wireless from their cash registers.  We were 
grabbing them from the parking lot just sitting in our car.
 
From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]


Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:16 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
 

Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt. 
It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile device 
significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and if Kurt 
wants to
 continue to write a paper check, make the entry into the checkbook register, 
and update the running balance while five people stand behind him in line at 
the grocery store so be it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make 
snide comments about those
 fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days. 


 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
See response below...



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?


>

>

> -Original Message-

> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]

> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

>

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:

>>

>>

>> Hi All,

>>

>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

>>

>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which

>> will shut down at the end of this month.

>>

>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

>>

>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

>>

>> Warm regards,

>>

>> Stu

>

> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

>

> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?

>

> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

>

> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?

>

> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty

lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the

message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each

message.



It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:



o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way

through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the

reply, then bounce down and read the original post



o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's

easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual

thoughts in the original post(s).




Kurt



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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jonathan Link]

IIRC, they already did this to TJ Maxx...


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> So did you hand the data over to your bank the police or walk in and tell
> the manager?  I know as an underpaid public employee you would never
> consider reusing the information.  You would not be underpaid if you did.
> I would think that since this has been posted that a number of students
> (hackers in training) are out in the parking lots of supermarkets looking
> for free credit card data.
>
> Jon
>
> --
> From: kennedy...@elyriaschools.org
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:25:19 +
>
>  Kurt’s paper check might be the smart way.  One of the major grocery
> chains in Cleveland sent their debit card transactions complete with the
> account number and pin in plain text via wireless from their cash
> registers.  We were grabbing them from the parking lot just sitting in our
> car.
>
>
>
> *From:* Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2013 10:16 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
>
>
> Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except
> Kurt. It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
> device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and
> if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the entry into the
> checkbook register, and update the running balance while five people stand
> behind him in line at the grocery store so be it. But I also have the right
> to glare at him and make snide comments about those fancy new debit cards
> all the cool kids are using these days.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> See response below...
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> > Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> >> will shut down at the end of this month.
> >>
> >> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >>
> >> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> Warm regards,
> >>
> >> Stu
> >
> > Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> >
> > You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
> where's the subscription info?
> >
> > Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> >
> > Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
> >
> > Kurt
>
> No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
> lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
> message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
> message.
>
> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
>
> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
> reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>
> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
> easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
> thoughts in the original post(s).
>
>
> Kurt
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jon Harris]

So did you hand the data over to your bank the police or walk in and tell the 
manager?  I know as an underpaid public employee you would never consider 
reusing the information.  You would not be underpaid if you did.  I would think 
that since this has been posted that a number of students (hackers in training) 
are out in the parking lots of supermarkets looking for free credit card data. 
Jon
 From: kennedy...@elyriaschools.org
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:25:19 +









Kurt’s paper check might be the smart way.  One of the major grocery chains in 
Cleveland sent their debit card transactions complete with the account number
 and pin in plain text via wireless from their cash registers.  We were 
grabbing them from the parking lot just sitting in our car.
 
From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]


Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:16 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
 

Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt. 
It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile device 
significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and if Kurt 
wants to
 continue to write a paper check, make the entry into the checkbook register, 
and update the running balance while five people stand behind him in line at 
the grocery store so be it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make 
snide comments about those
 fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days. 


 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
See response below...



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?

>

>

> -Original Message-

> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]

> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

>

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:

>>

>>

>> Hi All,

>>

>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

>>

>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which

>> will shut down at the end of this month.

>>

>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

>>

>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

>>

>> Warm regards,

>>

>> Stu

>

> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

>

> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?

>

> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

>

> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?

>

> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty

lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the

message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each

message.



It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:



o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way

through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the

reply, then bounce down and read the original post



o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's

easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual

thoughts in the original post(s).




Kurt



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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Webster]

Wow, a 402.  The last mainframe shop I worked in (mid 80s) still used the IBM 
402 autocoder emulator for the mainframe series we were using.  It was still in 
use when I left in 1987.

Thanks


Webster


> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:53 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> Apropos age on this thread
> 
> 
> http://www.chron.com/news/article/Conroe-company-still-using-
> computers-museums-want-4459714.php

Wow, a 402.  The last mainframe shop I worked in (mid 80s) still used the IBM 
402 autocoder emulator for the mainframe series we were using.  It was still in 
use when I left in 1987.

Thanks


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[Steven M. Caesare]

Boom!

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:47 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> deaned
> 
> :-]
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:05 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> All you top posters, see answer inline.
> 
> On 26 Apr 2013 at 7:23, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire
>  wrote:
> > > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone
> except Kurt.
> > > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a
mobile
> > > device >
> > significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and
> > if Kurt > wants to continue to write a paper check, make the entry
> > into the checkbook > register, and update the running balance while
> > five people stand behind him > in line at the grocery store so be
it.
> > But I also have the right to glare at > him and make snide comments
> > about those fancy new debit cards all the cool > kids are using
these days.
> >
> > No checks for me.
> >
> > Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
> >
> > You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting
> > habits as unique to me.
> >
> > Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to
> > work with and see the messages on.
> >
> > Get off my lawn.
> 
> +1
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

Apropos age on this thread


http://www.chron.com/news/article/Conroe-company-still-using-computers-museums-want-4459714.php


Kurt

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:
> deaned
>
> :-]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:05 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> All you top posters, see answer inline.
>
> On 26 Apr 2013 at 7:23, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire  wrote:
>> > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except 
>> > Kurt.
>> > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
>> > device >
>> significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and
>> if Kurt > wants to continue to write a paper check, make the entry
>> into the checkbook > register, and update the running balance while
>> five people stand behind him > in line at the grocery store so be it.
>> But I also have the right to glare at > him and make snide comments
>> about those fancy new debit cards all the cool > kids are using these days.
>>
>> No checks for me.
>>
>> Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
>>
>> You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting
>> habits as unique to me.
>>
>> Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to
>> work with and see the messages on.
>>
>> Get off my lawn.
>
> +1
>
> --
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> 1-520-290-5038
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>
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>
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[Free, Bob]

deaned

:-]

-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

All you top posters, see answer inline.

On 26 Apr 2013 at 7:23, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire  wrote:
> > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt.
> > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile 
> > device >
> significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and 
> if Kurt > wants to continue to write a paper check, make the entry 
> into the checkbook > register, and update the running balance while 
> five people stand behind him > in line at the grocery store so be it. 
> But I also have the right to glare at > him and make snide comments 
> about those fancy new debit cards all the cool > kids are using these days.
> 
> No checks for me.
> 
> Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
> 
> You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting 
> habits as unique to me.
> 
> Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to 
> work with and see the messages on.
> 
> Get off my lawn.

+1

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

What if you only read like that, but not type that way?

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> ˙sıɥʇ ǝʞıן ǝdʎʇ noʎ ɟı ʎןuo
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me...
> 
> > that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age
> 
> Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in context
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire 
> wrote:
> > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone
> except Kurt.
> > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
> > device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
> > country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
> > entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance
> > while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be
> > it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments
> > about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days.
> 
> No checks for me.
> 
> Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
> 
> You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits as
> unique to me.
> 
> Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work with
> and see the messages on.
> 
> Get off my lawn.
> 
> Kurt
> 
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[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 26 Apr 2013 at 14:25, Kennedy, Jim  wrote:

> Kurt's paper check might be the smart way. One of the major 
> grocery chains in Cleveland sent their debit card transactions 
> complete with the account number and pin in plain text via 
> wireless from their cash registers. We were grabbing them from 
> the parking lot just sitting in our car.

Jim

My wife's brother lives in Cleveland.  What grocery chain?  If you don't want 
to answer on list, feel free to answer off-list.

Angus

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[Angus Scott-Fleming]

All you top posters, see answer inline.

On 26 Apr 2013 at 7:23, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire  wrote:
> > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt.
> > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile device >
> significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and if Kurt >
> wants to continue to write a paper check, make the entry into the checkbook >
> register, and update the running balance while five people stand behind him >
> in line at the grocery store so be it. But I also have the right to glare at >
> him and make snide comments about those fancy new debit cards all the cool >
> kids are using these days.
> 
> No checks for me.
> 
> Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
> 
> You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting
> habits as unique to me.
> 
> Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to
> work with and see the messages on.
> 
> Get off my lawn.

+1

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[Kennedy, Jim]

˙sıɥʇ ǝʞıן ǝdʎʇ noʎ ɟı ʎןuo

-Original Message-
From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me... 

> that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age

Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in context

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire  wrote:
> Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt.
> It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile 
> device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free 
> country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the 
> entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance 
> while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be 
> it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments 
> about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days.

No checks for me.

Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.

You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits as 
unique to me.

Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work with 
and see the messages on.

Get off my lawn.

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Free, Bob]

You're right, the older I get the more it annoys me... 

> that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age

Turn your monitor upside down and this will be easier to read in context

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire  wrote:
> Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt.
> It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile 
> device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free 
> country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the 
> entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance 
> while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be 
> it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments 
> about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days.

No checks for me.

Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.

You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits as 
unique to me.

Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work with 
and see the messages on.

Get off my lawn.

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

Ben9K breaks that.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 11:03 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire 
> wrote:
> > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone
> except Kurt.
> > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
> > device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
> > country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
> > entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance
> > while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be
> > it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments
> > about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days.
> 
> No checks for me.
> 
> Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
> 
> You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits as
> unique to me.
> 
> Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work with
> and see the messages on.
> 
> Get off my lawn.
> 
> Kurt
> 
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> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
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> 
> 
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Guyer, Don]

Noted. Sometimes warranted, sometimes not so much.

"That's all I'm gonna say about that..."

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org<mailto:dgu...@che.org>
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
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From: Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife [mailto:joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Or even communal battering...

Joe Heaton
Enterprise Server Support
CA Department of Fish and Wildlife
1807 13th Street, Suite 201
Sacramento, CA  95811
Desk:  (916) 323-1284

From: Don Guyer [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:08 AM
To: Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

+1

And, really, minus some little inconveniences here and there, it hasn't been 
all that bad for a free resource that provides a wealth of knowledge sharing 
and communal bantering.

: )

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org<mailto:dgu...@che.org>
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CE4270.02D97860]

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

I will not use a google property for something that has a business purpose for 
me.

I'm only one person, but I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like 
https://plus.googlecom/communities/105379670851238376600<https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600>

Or build our own?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt
No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

And, that brings up probably the best stat to solve this whole mystery: age.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire  wrote:
> Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt.
> It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile 
> device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free 
> country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the 
> entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance 
> while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be 
> it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments 
> about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days.

No checks for me.

Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.

You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits as 
unique to me.

Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work with 
and see the messages on.

Get off my lawn.

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

> Get off my lawn.

Ha!

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire 
> wrote:
> > Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone
> except Kurt.
> > It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
> > device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
> > country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
> > entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance
> > while five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be
> > it. But I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments
> > about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days.
> 
> No checks for me.
> 
> Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.
> 
> You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting habits as
> unique to me.
> 
> Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to work with
> and see the messages on.
> 
> Get off my lawn.
> 
> Kurt
> 
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> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

Kurt's just mad you are on his lawn.

 

-sc

 

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except
Kurt. It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a
mobile device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free
country and if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the
entry into the checkbook register, and update the running balance while
five people stand behind him in line at the grocery store so be it. But
I also have the right to glare at him and make snide comments about
those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are using these days. 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

See response below...


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
where's the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two
reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).


Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Candee]

Indeed


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> > Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Bad idea.
>
> -sc
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> > >
> > > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> > > will shut down at the end of this month.
> > >
> > > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> > >
> > > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> > >
> > > Warm regards,
> > >
> > > Stu
> >
> > Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> >
> > You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
> where's
> > the subscription info?
> >
> > Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> >
> > Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >
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> > software.com/read/my_forums/
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> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>
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>
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kennedy, Jim]

Kurt's paper check might be the smart way.  One of the major grocery chains in 
Cleveland sent their debit card transactions complete with the account number 
and pin in plain text via wireless from their cash registers.  We were grabbing 
them from the parking lot just sitting in our car.

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt. 
It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile device 
significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and if Kurt 
wants to continue to write a paper check, make the entry into the checkbook 
register, and update the running balance while five people stand behind him in 
line at the grocery store so be it. But I also have the right to glare at him 
and make snide comments about those fancy new debit cards all the cool kids are 
using these days.

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt
No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Doug Hampshire  wrote:
> Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except Kurt.
> It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile device
> significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and if Kurt
> wants to continue to write a paper check, make the entry into the checkbook
> register, and update the running balance while five people stand behind him
> in line at the grocery store so be it. But I also have the right to glare at
> him and make snide comments about those fancy new debit cards all the cool
> kids are using these days.

No checks for me.

Cash only - can't forge a $20 bill in my name. Too risky.

You might want to check with Ben before characterizing my posting
habits as unique to me.

Also, portable devices for email - don't like 'em. Too darn hard to
work with and see the messages on.

Get off my lawn.

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Bad idea.
>
> -sc

Indeed.

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife]

Or even communal battering...

Joe Heaton
Enterprise Server Support
CA Department of Fish and Wildlife
1807 13th Street, Suite 201
Sacramento, CA  95811
Desk:  (916) 323-1284

From: Don Guyer [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 6:08 AM
To: Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

+1

And, really, minus some little inconveniences here and there, it hasn't been 
all that bad for a free resource that provides a wealth of knowledge sharing 
and communal bantering.

: )

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org<mailto:dgu...@che.org>
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
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helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

I will not use a google property for something that has a business purpose for 
me.

I'm only one person, but I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like 
https://plus.googlecom/communities/105379670851238376600<https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600>

Or build our own?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt
No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

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--
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and 
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to 
be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and 
suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has 
a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn.
And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight 
Zone."

- Rod Serling;
Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on 

Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Doug Hampshire]

Bottom posting: Something abandoned a long time ago by everyone except
Kurt. It's annoying as heck on a PC and makes reading threads on a mobile
device significantly more difficult. But then again it's a free country and
if Kurt wants to continue to write a paper check, make the entry into the
checkbook register, and update the running balance while five people stand
behind him in line at the grocery store so be it. But I also have the right
to glare at him and make snide comments about those fancy new debit cards
all the cool kids are using these days.


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> See response below...
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> > Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> >> will shut down at the end of this month.
> >>
> >> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >>
> >> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> Warm regards,
> >>
> >> Stu
> >
> > Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> >
> > You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
> where's the subscription info?
> >
> > Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> >
> > Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
> >
> > Kurt
>
> No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
> lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
> message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
> message.
>
> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
>
> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
> reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>
> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
> easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
> thoughts in the original post(s).
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[itli...@imcu.com]

indeed

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Posted At: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:43 AM
Posted To: itli...@imcu.com
Conversation: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

Bad idea.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >
> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
> > will shut down at the end of this month.
> >
> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >
> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Stu
> 
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> 
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, 
> where's the subscription info?
> 
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> 
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
> ---
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> software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to 
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Guyer, Don]

+1

And, really, minus some little inconveniences here and there, it hasn't been 
all that bad for a free resource that provides a wealth of knowledge sharing 
and communal bantering.

: )

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org<mailto:dgu...@che.org>
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CE425D.91B84F10]

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

I will not use a google property for something that has a business purpose for 
me.

I'm only one person, but I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

Or build our own?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt
No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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G. Waleed Kavalec
--
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and 
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to 
be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and 
suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has 
a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn.
And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight 
Zone."

- Rod Serling;
Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22



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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

Who are you, and what have you done with WJR??

 

-sc

 

From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

I've grown more sociable in my old age.


 - WJR





Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:37:12 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: jonathan.l...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

You share your popcorn with anyone? :D

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:17 PM, William Robbins
 wrote:

 

You rang?  Pretty sure Lyris kills images, I'll send you some popcorn
off-list.



 - WJR





Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:08 -0400


Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

From: rich...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

WJR,

 

I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent 
wrote:

Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
Gmail thing?



-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

    Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>
>

> Hi All,
>
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
which
> will shut down at the end of this month.
>
> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Stu

Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If
so, where's the subscription info?

Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane
list handler?

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog!
~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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~
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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

All together now: Friggin' Lyris.

 

-sc

 

From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

 

You rang?  Pretty sure Lyris kills images, I'll send you some popcorn
off-list.



 - WJR





Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:08 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: rich...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

WJR,

 

I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent 
wrote:

Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
Gmail thing?



-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>
>

> Hi All,
>
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> will shut down at the end of this month.
>
> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Stu

Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
where's the subscription info?

Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
handler?

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

> make email easy and more natural to read

That's debatable.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rod Trent 
> wrote:
> > Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and
> > definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)
> >
> > I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or
> something.
> 
> It used to be much easier and much more common, and most clients and
> listservs didn't make it hard to bottom post - gmail, and many others, now
> make you go through stupid gyrations to make email easy and more natural
> to read.
> 
> But, once your fingers learn the rhythm, it's no big deal, and it's a lot 
> easier
> for others to read and follow along.
> 
> Kurt
> 
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

You mean OTHER than to avoid having to migrate again a couple of years
when Google decides Wave^H^H^H^H Plus wasn't a good idea?

 

-sc

 

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

 

Or build our own?

 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

See response below...


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
where's the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two
reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).


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frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the
children, and the children yet unborn. 

And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the
Twilight Zone."

 

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Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

I’ll bring the wall for you to beat your head against.

 

-sc

 

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

WJR,

 

I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your response 
is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?



-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>
>

> Hi All,
>
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> will shut down at the end of this month.
>
> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Stu

Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's the 
subscription info?

Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Steven M. Caesare]

> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

Bad idea.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> 
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >
> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> > will shut down at the end of this month.
> >
> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >
> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Stu
> 
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> 
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
> the subscription info?
> 
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> 
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
> 
> Kurt
> 
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> 
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Richard Sobey  wrote:
RS> I was also "taught" to delete everything not immediately relevant
to your reply.
RS>
RS> Ah well. I'm a fan of bottom posting - back in the NNTP days. Using Outlook
RS> makes it very hard :(

  I've never really understood that objection.  People talk about the
position the cursor starts in as if it's some insurmountable barrier.
Some composers start the cursor at the top of the edit buffer.  Others
start it at the bottom.  They're otherwise identical.  Doesn't seem
like a big difference to me.  :-)

  One thing I miss from my Fidonet days is the convention of prefixing
people's initials to the quoted text leader (done above manually, for
illustration).  Made it easier to follow a complicated, nested
conversation.

-- Ben

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[Sobey, Richard A]

-Original Message-
From: bounce-9604068-8267...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[mailto:bounce-9604068-8267...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Kurt 
Buff
Sent: 25 April 2013 22:49
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

> See response below...

I was also "taught" to delete everything not immediately relevant to your reply.

Ah well. I'm a fan of bottom posting - back in the NNTP days. Using Outlook 
makes it very hard :(

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[MMF]

This is the busiest this list has been in years! So, let’s wait for Stu or 
someone in “command” to tell us how to keep this list ALIVE!!!

MFree

From: Rod Trent 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

I’m sure there are plenty of places that would gladly host the list for free.  
It’s a valuable resource.

 

If it comes down to that, we could even do it.

 

 

 

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

 

Or build our own?

 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

  See response below...


  On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
  > Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it 
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I 
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail 
thing?
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
  > To: NT System Admin Issues
  > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
  >
  > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >> Hi All,
  >>
  >> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
  >>
  >> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
  >> will shut down at the end of this month.
  >>
  >> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
  >>
  >> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
  >>
  >> Warm regards,
  >>
  >> Stu
  >
  > Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
  >
  > You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
the subscription info?
  >
  > Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
  >
  > Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
  >
  > Kurt

  No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
  lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
  message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
  message.

  It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

  o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
  through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
  reply, then bounce down and read the original post

  o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
  easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
  thoughts in the original post(s).


  Kurt

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--

"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and 
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to 
be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and 
suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has 
a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn. 

And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight 
Zone."

 

- Rod Serling; 

Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"

The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22


 

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Free, Bob]

Ooohhh, the popcorn is so much better when dripping with sarcasm

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

It was normal for 20 years, until Outlook didn't do it and it gained primacy. 
All of the other clients followed along.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)

I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
something.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty lines that 
gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the message and delete the 
cruft that the list software appends to each message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way through, 
then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the reply, then bounce 
down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's easier to 
maintain conversation flow while responding to individual thoughts in the 
original post(s).

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[William Robbins]

I've grown more sociable in my old age.

 - WJR


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:37:12 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: jonathan.l...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

You share your popcorn with anyone? :D

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:17 PM, William Robbins  wrote:





You rang?   Pretty sure Lyris kills images, I'll send you some popcorn off-list.



 - WJR


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:08 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: rich...@gmail.com

To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

WJR,
I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your response 
is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?







-Original Message-

From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

>

> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which

> will shut down at the end of this month.

>

> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

>

> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Stu



Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?



You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's the 
subscription info?



Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)



Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?



Kurt



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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Manuel Santos]

HI Stu.
I really can't see the way to join the list.
Please, send a link, so that I don't miss this wonderfull resource of
valuable info


2013/4/25 

>
>  Hi All,
>
>  You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
>  This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
>  which will shut down at the end of this month.
>
>  GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
>  I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>
>  Warm regards,
>
>  Stu
>

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Michael B. Smith]

I will not use a google property for something that has a business purpose for 
me.

I'm only one person, but I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

Or build our own?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt
No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

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fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to 
be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and 
suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has 
a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn.
And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight 
Zone."

- Rod Serling;
Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22



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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Michael B. Smith]

It was normal for 20 years, until Outlook didn't do it and it gained primacy. 
All of the other clients followed along.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)

I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
something.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty lines that 
gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the message and delete the 
cruft that the list software appends to each message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way through, 
then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the reply, then bounce 
down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's easier to 
maintain conversation flow while responding to individual thoughts in the 
original post(s).

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

I'm sure there are plenty of places that would gladly host the list for
free.  It's a valuable resource.

 

If it comes down to that, we could even do it.

 

 

 

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

 

Or build our own?

 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com> > wrote:

See response below...


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com> > wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com <mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com> ]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  mailto:s...@knowbe4.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).


Kurt

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-- 

G. Waleed Kavalec
--

"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices,
to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill
and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a
scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children
yet unborn. 

And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight
Zone."

 

- Rod Serling; 

Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"

The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22


 

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jonathan Link]

You share your popcorn with anyone? :D


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:17 PM, William Robbins wrote:

>
> You rang?  Pretty sure Lyris kills images, I'll send you some popcorn
> off-list.
>
>
>  - WJR
>
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:08 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> From: rich...@gmail.com
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
>
> WJR,
>
> I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >
> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> > will shut down at the end of this month.
> >
> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >
> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
>
> Kurt
>
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> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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>
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>
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife]

But, I don't know anyone there.  I know all you guys here.

Joe Heaton
Enterprise Server Support
CA Department of Fish and Wildlife
1807 13th Street, Suite 201
Sacramento, CA  95811
Desk:  (916) 323-1284

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:54 PM
To: Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

Or build our own?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt
No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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G. Waleed Kavalec
--
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and 
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to 
be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and 
suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has 
a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn.
And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight 
Zone."

- Rod Serling;
Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22



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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

You're right. Let's go with punched cards; by mail.
On Apr 25, 2013 5:18 PM, "Kurt Buff"  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM, G.Waleed Kavalec 
> wrote:
> > Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
> >
> > Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
> >
> > Or build our own?
>
> Oh, please - not another damnable social media site...
>
> Kurt
>
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[William Robbins]

You rang?   Pretty sure Lyris kills images, I'll send you some popcorn off-list.


 - WJR


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:08 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: rich...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

WJR,
I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your response 
is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?






-Original Message-

From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

>

> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which

> will shut down at the end of this month.

>

> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

>

> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Stu



Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?



You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's the 
subscription info?



Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)



Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?



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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
> definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)
>
> I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
> something.

It used to be much easier and much more common, and most clients and
listservs didn't make it hard to bottom post - gmail, and many others,
now make you go through stupid gyrations to make email easy and more
natural to read.

But, once your fingers learn the rhythm, it's no big deal, and it's a
lot easier for others to read and follow along.

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Clark, Tommy R]

Other than social networking sites are often blocked?

 

From: bounce-9604073-8239...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
[mailto:bounce-9604073-8239...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of
G.Waleed Kavalec
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

 

Or build our own?

 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

See response below...


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
where's the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two
reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).


Kurt

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-- 

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--

"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions
and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes,
prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record,
prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless,
frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the
children, and the children yet unborn. 

And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the
Twilight Zone."

 

- Rod Serling; 

Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"

The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22


 

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM, G.Waleed Kavalec  wrote:
> Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
>
> Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
>
> Or build our own?

Oh, please - not another damnable social media site...

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)

I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
something.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty lines that 
gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the message and delete the 
cruft that the list software appends to each message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way through, 
then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the reply, then bounce 
down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's easier to 
maintain conversation flow while responding to individual thoughts in the 
original post(s).

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

Or build our own?



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> See response below...
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> > Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> >> will shut down at the end of this month.
> >>
> >> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >>
> >> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> Warm regards,
> >>
> >> Stu
> >
> > Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> >
> > You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
> where's the subscription info?
> >
> > Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> >
> > Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
> >
> > Kurt
>
> No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
> lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
> message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
> message.
>
> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
>
> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
> reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>
> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
> easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
> thoughts in the original post(s).
>
> Kurt
>
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> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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--
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions
and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes,
prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record,
prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless,
frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the
children, and the children yet unborn.
And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight
Zone."

- Rod Serling;
Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> No, it's a Ben9K thing.  He doesn't believe in top posting.

  That wasn't me Rod was replying to.

  Good luck blaming that on posting styles.  :)

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>>
>> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
>> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
>> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
>> Gmail thing?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>> >
>> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> > will shut down at the end of this month.
>> >
>> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>> >
>> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>> >
>> > Warm regards,
>> >
>> > Stu
>>
>> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>>
>> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
>> the subscription info?
>>
>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>>
>> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
>> handler?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> No, it's a Ben9K thing.  He doesn't believe in top posting.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>>
>> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
>> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
>> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
>> Gmail thing?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>> >
>> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> > will shut down at the end of this month.
>> >
>> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>> >
>> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>> >
>> > Warm regards,
>> >
>> > Stu
>>
>> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>>
>> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
>> the subscription info?
>>
>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>>
>> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
>> handler?
>>
>> Kurt

Oh no, my preference on this long predates the advent of our esteems
colleague on this list...

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jonathan Link]

No, it's a Ben9K thing.  He doesn't believe in top posting.


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >
> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> > will shut down at the end of this month.
> >
> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >
> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
>
> Kurt
>
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> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Richard Stovall]

WJR,

I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >
> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> > will shut down at the end of this month.
> >
> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >
> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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>
>

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your response 
is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
> will shut down at the end of this month.
>
> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Stu

Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's the 
subscription info?

Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Michael B. Smith]

Can't whip up a function until I know how to do it meself...

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Web-

Call MBS and he'll whip you up a function

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Do we need to do something?

Thanks


Webster

From: s...@knowbe4.com<mailto:s...@knowbe4.com> [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:45 PM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



Hi All,

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
which will shut down at the end of this month.

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

Warm regards,

Stu

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[John Cook]

In Powershell!

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Web-

Call MBS and he'll whip you up a function

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Do we need to do something?

Thanks


Webster

From: s...@knowbe4.com<mailto:s...@knowbe4.com> [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:45 PM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



Hi All,

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
which will shut down at the end of this month.

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

Warm regards,

Stu

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
> which will shut down at the end of this month.
>
> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Stu

Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
where's the subscription info?

Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

That worked!  Brilliant.

 

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Click your heels together three times and say "I wish I were subscribed". 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Webster mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com> > wrote:

Do we need to do something?

 

Thanks

 

 

Webster

 

From: s...@knowbe4.com <mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>  [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com
<mailto:s...@knowbe4.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:45 PM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com <http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com> 


Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

 

Hi All,

 

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4. 

 

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, 

which will shut down at the end of this month.  

 

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

 

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4. 

 

Warm regards,

 

Stu

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~


~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[kz20fl]

Yeah, try +1 :-)

Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY

-Original Message-
From: "Phil Hershey" 
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:21:38 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: ALERT :  NTSYSADMIN LIST 
MIGRATION

Stu,

 

Not seeing anything on the KnowBe3.com website that looks like The List.
Do you have a link we need to follow?

 

 

 

-Philip Hershey

 

This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of
addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged
information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying,
disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you
are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by
return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies.

 

From: s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:45 AM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

 

Hi All,

 

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4. 

 

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, 

which will shut down at the end of this month.  

 

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

 

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4. 

 

Warm regards,

 

Stu


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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[John Cook]

You need to move up the line to the know B4 site ;-)

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Phil Hershey [mailto:phers...@agia.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Stu,

Not seeing anything on the KnowBe3.com website that looks like The List.  Do 
you have a link we need to follow?



-Philip Hershey

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e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies.

From: s...@knowbe4.com<mailto:s...@knowbe4.com> [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:45 AM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



Hi All,

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
which will shut down at the end of this month.

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

Warm regards,

Stu

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Phil Hershey]

Stu,

 

Not seeing anything on the KnowBe3.com website that looks like The List.
Do you have a link we need to follow?

 

 

 

-Philip Hershey

 

This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of
addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged
information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying,
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are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by
return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies.

 

From: s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:45 AM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

 

Hi All,

 

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4. 

 

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, 

which will shut down at the end of this month.  

 

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

 

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4. 

 

Warm regards,

 

Stu


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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Webster]

Do we need to do something?

Thanks


Webster

From: s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:45 PM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



Hi All,

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
which will shut down at the end of this month.

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

Warm regards,

Stu

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:44 PM,   wrote:
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
> which will shut down at the end of this month.

The list is dead!  Long live the list!

-- Ben

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[kz20fl]

Does this include the feature of "messages posting within half an hour of 
sending them"? :-)

Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY

-Original Message-
From: s...@knowbe4.com
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:44:58 
To: 
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: ALERT :  NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION


    
Hi All, 
    
You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by 
KnowBe4.   
    
This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software 
/ GFI,  
which will shut down at the end of this month.  

    
GFI will confirm this with a separate message.  
    
I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from 
KnowBe4.   
    
Warm regards,   
    
Stu  
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[John Cook]

As I don't see anything on the site it might be helpful to outline the process.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:45 PM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



Hi All,

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
which will shut down at the end of this month.

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

Warm regards,

Stu



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Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need 
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