RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Miller Bonnie L .]

I usually see those error pages from the PCL6 drivers, but not PCL5e.  After 
many printing issues since WS03 SP2, we use PCL5e or PS on almost all queues 
now.  I do agree though that the UPD hasn't really solved any specific problems 
for us, and it's kind of a pain to have to detect the printer config in order 
to get it to show up correctly (can't set it up ahead of time).

-Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 11:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Gene
Giannamore wrote:
> What about the HP UPD? Has that worked for anyone?

  We tried it.  It's as slow and bloated as their regular drivers.
Over-complicated for network configuration.  Had trouble turning off
the "slice of toast" notification for every print job submitted.
Caused several of our printers to stop working entirely; they would
just spit out "PCL XL ERROR" pages.

  YMMV.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Phil Brutsche]

v4.7 and v4.8 were what was giving us problems. I've not tried anything
newer.

Michael B. Smith wrote:
> Interesting.
> 
> I've got literally thousands of HP printers running the UPD (v5).

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Michael B. Smith]

Interesting.

I've got literally thousands of HP printers running the UPD (v5).


From: Phil Brutsche [p...@optimumdata.com]
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

Tried it. Don't recommend it unless you enjoy seeing the print spooler
crash on a regular basis.

The best "universal" drivers are the ones Microsoft ships.

Gene Giannamore wrote:
> What about the HP UPD? Has that worked for anyone?

--

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Phil Brutsche]

Tried it. Don't recommend it unless you enjoy seeing the print spooler
crash on a regular basis.

The best "universal" drivers are the ones Microsoft ships.

Gene Giannamore wrote:
> What about the HP UPD? Has that worked for anyone?

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Gene
Giannamore wrote:
> What about the HP UPD? Has that worked for anyone?

  We tried it.  It's as slow and bloated as their regular drivers.
Over-complicated for network configuration.  Had trouble turning off
the "slice of toast" notification for every print job submitted.
Caused several of our printers to stop working entirely; they would
just spit out "PCL XL ERROR" pages.

  YMMV.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Gene Giannamore]

What about the HP UPD? Has that worked for anyone? I found an interesting 
document called "HP printers supported in Citrix XenApp Server environments" 
dated Nov 2008, seems to be the newest version. Interesting this thread, I was 
just about to ask about the benefits of moving from 2003-x86 terminal server to 
2008-x64 (single server, remote desktop only). 



Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577    Office
(707) 935-9387    Fax
(707) 766-4185    Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com


-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

Didn't you know? The LaserJet 4 is the most stable print driver ever produced! 
Well, maybe not, but it's amazing to me how many times this driver would work 
in cases where the "official" driver of whatever HP printer wouldn't.  In my 
experience it's almost as versatile as the generic/text only one.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

I find that Microsoft's PS and PCL drivers *are* generic, Microsoft
simply ships printer definitions that specifies printer-specific
parameters such as the printer's printable area.

At my employer Microsoft's "HP LaserJet 4 PS" driver works marvelously
with most of what we have on hand ;)

Ben Scott wrote:
>   Are you using HP's printer drivers?  HP's printer drivers have been
> getting steadily worse for the past few years.  Slow, bloated,
> over-complicated, unstable.  See if any of the drivers that come with
> 2008 might work for you.  Often, a similar or older model will work
> with a newer printer.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Cameron Cooper]

We still have several LJ IIISi's and 4Si's in use here... old and slow but 
still print.

_
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Vicky
Spelshaus wrote:
> Coincidentally it (the LJ4) is the last stable printer HP produced as well.
> I've still got a couple of these in use.  The HP printers purchased since
> then have been replaced.  It's sad what happened to that division.

  A-yup.  I've got an LJ4 at home that I got at least twice-used.  The
page count is over 500K.  At a customer of mine back in '05, they
still had a LaserJet II in service!  The thing was old enough to vote.

  We're lucky to get 3 or 4 years out of current HP products.  And if
they fail during warranty, I've never been able to get HP to honor the
warranty.  Most of the repair parts cost more than 50% of a
replacement unit, so we just scrap 'em.  Filling up landfills with the
remains of disposable printers.  Ugh.  :(

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

+1

--
ME2



On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, David Lum wrote:
> Didn't you know? The LaserJet 4 is the most stable print driver ever 
> produced! Well, maybe not, but it's amazing to me how many times this driver 
> would work in cases where the "official" driver of whatever HP printer 
> wouldn't.  In my experience it's almost as versatile as the generic/text only 
> one.
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:11 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server
>
> I find that Microsoft's PS and PCL drivers *are* generic, Microsoft
> simply ships printer definitions that specifies printer-specific
> parameters such as the printer's printable area.
>
> At my employer Microsoft's "HP LaserJet 4 PS" driver works marvelously
> with most of what we have on hand ;)
>
> Ben Scott wrote:
>>   Are you using HP's printer drivers?  HP's printer drivers have been
>> getting steadily worse for the past few years.  Slow, bloated,
>> over-complicated, unstable.  See if any of the drivers that come with
>> 2008 might work for you.  Often, a similar or older model will work
>> with a newer printer.
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Vicky
Spelshaus wrote:
> Coincidentally it (the LJ4) is the last stable printer HP produced as well.
> I've still got a couple of these in use.  The HP printers purchased since
> then have been replaced.  It's sad what happened to that division.

  A-yup.  I've got an LJ4 at home that I got at least twice-used.  The
page count is over 500K.  At a customer of mine back in '05, they
still had a LaserJet II in service!  The thing was old enough to vote.

  We're lucky to get 3 or 4 years out of current HP products.  And if
they fail during warranty, I've never been able to get HP to honor the
warranty.  Most of the repair parts cost more than 50% of a
replacement unit, so we just scrap 'em.  Filling up landfills with the
remains of disposable printers.  Ugh.  :(

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Maglinger, Paul]

+1 

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

Didn't you know? The LaserJet 4 is the most stable print driver ever
produced! Well, maybe not, but it's amazing to me how many times this
driver would work in cases where the "official" driver of whatever HP
printer wouldn't.  In my experience it's almost as versatile as the
generic/text only one.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

I find that Microsoft's PS and PCL drivers *are* generic, Microsoft
simply ships printer definitions that specifies printer-specific
parameters such as the printer's printable area.

At my employer Microsoft's "HP LaserJet 4 PS" driver works marvelously
with most of what we have on hand ;)

Ben Scott wrote:
>   Are you using HP's printer drivers?  HP's printer drivers have been
> getting steadily worse for the past few years.  Slow, bloated,
> over-complicated, unstable.  See if any of the drivers that come with
> 2008 might work for you.  Often, a similar or older model will work
> with a newer printer.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Vicky Spelshaus]

Coincidentally it (the LJ4) is the last stable printer HP produced as well.
I've still got a couple of these in use.  The HP printers purchased since
then have been replaced.  It's sad what happened to that division.


 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM, David Lum  wrote:

> Didn't you know? The LaserJet 4 is the most stable print driver ever
> produced! Well, maybe not, but it's amazing to me how many times this driver
> would work in cases where the "official" driver of whatever HP printer
> wouldn't.  In my experience it's almost as versatile as the generic/text
> only one.
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:11 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server
>
>  I find that Microsoft's PS and PCL drivers *are* generic, Microsoft
> simply ships printer definitions that specifies printer-specific
> parameters such as the printer's printable area.
>
> At my employer Microsoft's "HP LaserJet 4 PS" driver works marvelously
> with most of what we have on hand ;)
>
> Ben Scott wrote:
> >   Are you using HP's printer drivers?  HP's printer drivers have been
> > getting steadily worse for the past few years.  Slow, bloated,
> > over-complicated, unstable.  See if any of the drivers that come with
> > 2008 might work for you.  Often, a similar or older model will work
> > with a newer printer.
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>


-- 
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handle stress and caffeine. - unknown

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[David Lum]

Didn't you know? The LaserJet 4 is the most stable print driver ever produced! 
Well, maybe not, but it's amazing to me how many times this driver would work 
in cases where the "official" driver of whatever HP printer wouldn't.  In my 
experience it's almost as versatile as the generic/text only one.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

I find that Microsoft's PS and PCL drivers *are* generic, Microsoft
simply ships printer definitions that specifies printer-specific
parameters such as the printer's printable area.

At my employer Microsoft's "HP LaserJet 4 PS" driver works marvelously
with most of what we have on hand ;)

Ben Scott wrote:
>   Are you using HP's printer drivers?  HP's printer drivers have been
> getting steadily worse for the past few years.  Slow, bloated,
> over-complicated, unstable.  See if any of the drivers that come with
> 2008 might work for you.  Often, a similar or older model will work
> with a newer printer.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Maglinger, Paul]

I agree on HP Technical Support on printers.  It's definitely gone downhill 
over the years.  We recently bought a new HP printer and in order for it to be 
compatable, we wanted it to be able to be configured to provide line feeds 
after the carriage returns.  Pre-sales said this would.  We bought it, it 
didn't work.  Called tech support and their solution was to wait for the next 
firmware update... possibly in 2 months.  Hah!  What a load of horse-hockey.
 
Good thing there are other brands to choose from.  Kyocera makes some really 
nice printers...



From: Phil Thompson [mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server



Yes, It is the printer vender, BUT this business is like the video that was 
going around where the cowboys were herding cats. Everyone is claiming it is 
the other guy. I spend 90% of my time coming up with work arounds. I'm sure it 
is the same with all of you. I had a guy send me an update on piece of software 
and they way he zipped it I couldn't open it. I swear  we spend an ½ hour 
working out a solution.

 

I called HP about this, there are a couple printers that are causing the 
problem and they are new printers too boot, but HP wouldn't give me the time of 
day. It is all about the buck not the product.

 

Thanks for info I will keep trudging along.

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

 

Spooler crashes are unlikely to be Microsoft's fault but instead the driver 
maker.

 

If you'd like to provide a dump of the crash I will look at it for you.

 

Download the Debugging Tools for Windows - 
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/DevTools/Debugging/default.mspx

Install them to c:\debuggers

Open a command prompt to \debuggers

Cscript adplus.vbs -crash -pn spoolsv.exe

 

This will have a dump file written to a subfolder of c:\debuggers next time it 
crashes. If you zip this and send it to me I will look. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

Active Directory, 4th Ed - http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/ 
<http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/> 

Microsoft MVP - https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian 
<https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian> 

 

From: Phil Thompson [mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

 

It is very hard to narrow down. I've read where others are having issues with 
print as well. Maybe the R2 would be better. One question is, we are an XP shop 
and I'm not sure if the driver issues stems from there. The so called 'easy 
print' is suppose to fix that. Because of the spooler crashing all the time I'm 
guessing the freezing is related.

 

I'm really bummed, I like the remote apps, the new management applets just 
about everything but it is totally unreliable!!

 

Thanks for feedback.

 

From: Ben Nordlander [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

 

heh was planning on migrating my 03 citrix to windows 08 with latest version of 
XenApp (or whatever it is called now; previously metaframe/presentation). maybe 
2008 R2 will be better for us? :)

-Ben

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Phil Thompson  wrote:

Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I'm needing to vent!!!

 

Right now I'm ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had nothing but 
trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got it was the so called 
ease of printing. What a bunch of BULL that is. Nothing but trouble, especially 
with HP printers shutting down the spooler. Right now the server freezes up. 
Can't get to task manager to see what is going on. Logs don't tell anything. I 
have to hold the off button to shut it down.

 

There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P !!

 

I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an issue 
with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there software is 
compatible but I truly doubt it or it 

 

I'm going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this time. 3 
months of explaining to management and users this and that, I'm starting look 
like a dumb ass.

 

Any way that's it. I feel better now.!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Phil Brutsche]

I find that Microsoft's PS and PCL drivers *are* generic, Microsoft
simply ships printer definitions that specifies printer-specific
parameters such as the printer's printable area.

At my employer Microsoft's "HP LaserJet 4 PS" driver works marvelously
with most of what we have on hand ;)

Ben Scott wrote:
>   Are you using HP's printer drivers?  HP's printer drivers have been
> getting steadily worse for the past few years.  Slow, bloated,
> over-complicated, unstable.  See if any of the drivers that come with
> 2008 might work for you.  Often, a similar or older model will work
> with a newer printer.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Brian Desmond]

OK so I understand it's frustrating but your problem is very much so fixable. 
Collect the evidence and analyze it (which I'm happy to do for you) and you'll 
be much happier.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

Active Directory, 4th Ed - http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/
Microsoft MVP - https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian

From: Phil Thompson [mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

Yes, It is the printer vender, BUT this business is like the video that was 
going around where the cowboys were herding cats. Everyone is claiming it is 
the other guy. I spend 90% of my time coming up with work arounds. I'm sure it 
is the same with all of you. I had a guy send me an update on piece of software 
and they way he zipped it I couldn't open it. I swear  we spend an ½ hour 
working out a solution.

I called HP about this, there are a couple printers that are causing the 
problem and they are new printers too boot, but HP wouldn't give me the time of 
day. It is all about the buck not the product.

Thanks for info I will keep trudging along.

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

Spooler crashes are unlikely to be Microsoft's fault but instead the driver 
maker.

If you'd like to provide a dump of the crash I will look at it for you.

Download the Debugging Tools for Windows - 
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/DevTools/Debugging/default.mspx
Install them to c:\debuggers
Open a command prompt to \debuggers
Cscript adplus.vbs -crash -pn spoolsv.exe

This will have a dump file written to a subfolder of c:\debuggers next time it 
crashes. If you zip this and send it to me I will look.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

Active Directory, 4th Ed - http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/
Microsoft MVP - https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian

From: Phil Thompson [mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

It is very hard to narrow down. I've read where others are having issues with 
print as well. Maybe the R2 would be better. One question is, we are an XP shop 
and I'm not sure if the driver issues stems from there. The so called 'easy 
print' is suppose to fix that. Because of the spooler crashing all the time I'm 
guessing the freezing is related.

I'm really bummed, I like the remote apps, the new management applets just 
about everything but it is totally unreliable!!

Thanks for feedback.

From: Ben Nordlander [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

heh was planning on migrating my 03 citrix to windows 08 with latest version of 
XenApp (or whatever it is called now; previously metaframe/presentation). maybe 
2008 R2 will be better for us? :)

-Ben
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Phil Thompson 
mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com>> wrote:

Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I'm needing to vent!!!



Right now I'm ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had nothing but 
trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got it was the so called 
ease of printing. What a bunch of BULL that is. Nothing but trouble, especially 
with HP printers shutting down the spooler. Right now the server freezes up. 
Can't get to task manager to see what is going on. Logs don't tell anything. I 
have to hold the off button to shut it down.



There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P !!



I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an issue 
with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there software is 
compatible but I truly doubt it or it



I'm going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this time. 3 
months of explaining to management and users this and that, I'm starting look 
like a dumb ass.



Any way that's it. I feel better now.!!


























~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Phil Thompson wrote:
> Everyone is claiming it is the other guy.

  The Open Source fan in me is grinning.  I thought Windows was better
because you had a company standing by the product.  ;-)

> I spend 90% of my time coming up with work arounds.

  You must be new here.  Welcome to IT.  ;-)

  (In fairness, Open Source is just as bad.  You just have more
options for coming up with the workarounds.)

> I had a guy send me an update on piece of software and they
> way he zipped it I couldn’t open it.

  Let me guess: WinZip and their format-of-the-month?

> I called HP about this, there are a couple printers that are causing the
> problem and they are new printers too boot, but HP wouldn’t give me the time
> of day.

  HP's printer support is worse than their printer drivers.  This is
why we're not buying HP printers anymore.  Lexmark's hardware and
drivers seem comparable, and their support is better (if still less
than stellar).

  For our existing fleet of HP drivers, we hacked together a generic
PCL5 driver from the HP LaserJet 4 driver Microsoft includes in
Windows XP.  (We could do this because we have the source code for
that driver, since it's really just a text file.)  I can post if you
like, but I don't know if it will work for your printers or Server
2008.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Phil Thompson]

Yes, It is the printer vender, BUT this business is like the video that was
going around where the cowboys were herding cats. Everyone is claiming it is
the other guy. I spend 90% of my time coming up with work arounds. I’m sure
it is the same with all of you. I had a guy send me an update on piece of
software and they way he zipped it I couldn’t open it. I swear  we spend an
½ hour working out a solution.

 

I called HP about this, there are a couple printers that are causing the
problem and they are new printers too boot, but HP wouldn’t give me the time
of day. It is all about the buck not the product.

 

Thanks for info I will keep trudging along.

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

 

Spooler crashes are unlikely to be Microsoft’s fault but instead the driver
maker.

 

If you’d like to provide a dump of the crash I will look at it for you.

 

Download the Debugging Tools for Windows -
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/DevTools/Debugging/default.mspx

Install them to c:\debuggers

Open a command prompt to \debuggers

Cscript adplus.vbs –crash –pn spoolsv.exe

 

This will have a dump file written to a subfolder of c:\debuggers next time
it crashes. If you zip this and send it to me I will look. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

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https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian

 

From: Phil Thompson [mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

 

It is very hard to narrow down. I’ve read where others are having issues
with print as well. Maybe the R2 would be better. One question is, we are an
XP shop and I’m not sure if the driver issues stems from there. The so
called ‘easy print’ is suppose to fix that. Because of the spooler crashing
all the time I’m guessing the freezing is related.

 

I’m really bummed, I like the remote apps, the new management applets just
about everything but it is totally unreliable!!

 

Thanks for feedback.

 

From: Ben Nordlander [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

 

heh was planning on migrating my 03 citrix to windows 08 with latest version
of XenApp (or whatever it is called now; previously metaframe/presentation).
maybe 2008 R2 will be better for us? :)

-Ben

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Phil Thompson  wrote:

Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I’m needing to
vent!!!

 

Right now I’m ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had nothing
but trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got it was the so
called ease of printing. What a bunch of BULL that is. Nothing but trouble,
especially with HP printers shutting down the spooler. Right now the server
freezes up. Can’t get to task manager to see what is going on. Logs don’t
tell anything. I have to hold the off button to shut it down.

 

There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P !!

 

I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an issue
with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there software is
compatible but I truly doubt it or it 

 

I’m going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this time.
3 months of explaining to management and users this and that, I’m starting
look like a dumb ass.

 

Any way that’s it. I feel better now.!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Brian Desmond]

Spooler crashes are unlikely to be Microsoft's fault but instead the driver 
maker.

If you'd like to provide a dump of the crash I will look at it for you.

Download the Debugging Tools for Windows - 
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/DevTools/Debugging/default.mspx
Install them to c:\debuggers
Open a command prompt to \debuggers
Cscript adplus.vbs -crash -pn spoolsv.exe

This will have a dump file written to a subfolder of c:\debuggers next time it 
crashes. If you zip this and send it to me I will look.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

Active Directory, 4th Ed - http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/
Microsoft MVP - https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian

From: Phil Thompson [mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

It is very hard to narrow down. I've read where others are having issues with 
print as well. Maybe the R2 would be better. One question is, we are an XP shop 
and I'm not sure if the driver issues stems from there. The so called 'easy 
print' is suppose to fix that. Because of the spooler crashing all the time I'm 
guessing the freezing is related.

I'm really bummed, I like the remote apps, the new management applets just 
about everything but it is totally unreliable!!

Thanks for feedback.

From: Ben Nordlander [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

heh was planning on migrating my 03 citrix to windows 08 with latest version of 
XenApp (or whatever it is called now; previously metaframe/presentation). maybe 
2008 R2 will be better for us? :)

-Ben
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Phil Thompson 
mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com>> wrote:

Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I'm needing to vent!!!



Right now I'm ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had nothing but 
trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got it was the so called 
ease of printing. What a bunch of BULL that is. Nothing but trouble, especially 
with HP printers shutting down the spooler. Right now the server freezes up. 
Can't get to task manager to see what is going on. Logs don't tell anything. I 
have to hold the off button to shut it down.



There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P !!



I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an issue 
with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there software is 
compatible but I truly doubt it or it



I'm going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this time. 3 
months of explaining to management and users this and that, I'm starting look 
like a dumb ass.



Any way that's it. I feel better now.!!


















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[David Lum]

+1 (or is that six?). The printing issues I've had with W2K8 server have all 
been printer driver issues.

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Phil Thompson wrote:
> Nothing but trouble, especially with HP printers shutting
> down the spooler.

  Are you using HP's printer drivers?  HP's printer drivers have been
getting steadily worse for the past few years.  Slow, bloated,
over-complicated, unstable.  See if any of the drivers that come with
2008 might work for you.  Often, a similar or older model will work
with a newer printer.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Phil Thompson wrote:
> Nothing but trouble, especially with HP printers shutting
> down the spooler.

  Are you using HP's printer drivers?  HP's printer drivers have been
getting steadily worse for the past few years.  Slow, bloated,
over-complicated, unstable.  See if any of the drivers that come with
2008 might work for you.  Often, a similar or older model will work
with a newer printer.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Tom Miller]

How are you printing?  Do your users have shared printers on their
desktops, direct IP on desktop, or do they select shared/direct printers
installed on the terminal server?
 
If you have Desktop Experience (or something like that) installed, the
client will use Easy Print where possible.  There are some applications
that do not support Easy Print.  Great Plains, a Microsoft product (go
figure) that we use here does not support it, yet.
 
There are different ways to get the printing working.  I have the Print
Server role installed on my Terminal Servers, but no printers.  I then
added all the printer drivers that users might require.  So far so
good.
 
You can always give MS a call.  Each incident is only $250, not too bad
compared to other vendors.  I had to call MS about printing a month or
so ago because my users couldn't print at all.  Turns out it was a
desktop issue.
 
TS 2008 is much better than 2003 in my opinions.  The remote gateway
role is very nice.
 
Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528 

>>> Phil Thompson  6/25/2009 4:10 PM >>>

Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I’m needing to
vent!!!
 
Right now I’m ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had
nothing but trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got
it was the so called ease of printing. What a bunch of BULL that is.
Nothing but trouble, especially with HP printers shutting down the
spooler. Right now the server freezes up. Can’t get to task manager to
see what is going on. Logs don’t tell anything. I have to hold the off
button to shut it down.
 
There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P
!!
 
I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an
issue with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there
software is compatible but I truly doubt it or it 
 
I’m going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this
time. 3 months of explaining to management and users this and that, I’m
starting look like a dumb ass.
 
Any way that’s it. I feel better now.!!
 
 

 
 

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RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Maglinger, Paul]

Don't hold back, Phil.  Tell us what you really think.  :-)
 
Did it do this from the get-go or after you loaded up the printer
drivers?  I've had printer drivers cause problems on my '03 server.
I've never seen them lock up the server though.  As long as you have the
'03 to fall back on, why not start from scratch and see if you can
identify what's causing the problem?
 
-Paul



From: Phil Thompson [mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server



Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I'm needing to
vent!!!

 

Right now I'm ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had
nothing but trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got
it was the so called ease of printing. What a bunch of BULL that is.
Nothing but trouble, especially with HP printers shutting down the
spooler. Right now the server freezes up. Can't get to task manager to
see what is going on. Logs don't tell anything. I have to hold the off
button to shut it down.

 

There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P !!

 

I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an
issue with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there
software is compatible but I truly doubt it or it 

 

I'm going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this
time. 3 months of explaining to management and users this and that, I'm
starting look like a dumb ass.

 

Any way that's it. I feel better now.!!

 

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Rob Bonfiglio]

I used it in a test environment on a beta edition of Hyper-V (running it in
a VM) and it worked quite well.
I have noticed with my G5's that if I don't update the NIC driver that RDP
is very jumpy, and often disconnects for no reason.  However, once I updated
to the latest NIC drivers the problem went away.  I don't know what hardware
you're running TS on, but you might take a look to see what driver updates
might be available for you.  I don't know that it would effect printing
specifically though, but it is probably worth a look.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Phil Thompson  wrote:

>  It is very hard to narrow down. I’ve read where others are having issues
> with print as well. Maybe the R2 would be better. One question is, we are an
> XP shop and I’m not sure if the driver issues stems from there. The so
> called ‘easy print’ is suppose to fix that. Because of the spooler crashing
> all the time I’m guessing the freezing is related.
>
>
>
> I’m really bummed, I like the remote apps, the new management applets just
> about everything but it is totally unreliable!!
>
>
>
> Thanks for feedback.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ben Nordlander [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:16 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server
>
>
>
> heh was planning on migrating my 03 citrix to windows 08 with latest
> version of XenApp (or whatever it is called now; previously
> metaframe/presentation). maybe 2008 R2 will be better for us? :)
>
> -Ben
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Phil Thompson  wrote:
>
> Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I’m needing to
> vent!!!
>
>
>
> Right now I’m ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had nothing
> but trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got it was the so
> called *ease of printing*. What a bunch of BULL that is. Nothing but
> trouble, especially with HP printers shutting down the spooler. Right now
> the server freezes up. Can’t get to task manager to see what is going on.
> Logs don’t tell anything. I have to hold the off button to shut it down.
>
>
>
> There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P !!
>
>
>
> I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an
> issue with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there software
> is compatible but I truly doubt it or it
>
>
>
> I’m going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this time.
> 3 months of explaining to management and users this and that, I’m starting
> look like a dumb ass.
>
>
>
> Any way that’s it. I feel better now.!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Phil Thompson]

It is very hard to narrow down. I've read where others are having issues with 
print as well. Maybe the R2 would be better. One question is, we are an XP shop 
and I'm not sure if the driver issues stems from there. The so called 'easy 
print' is suppose to fix that. Because of the spooler crashing all the time I'm 
guessing the freezing is related.

I'm really bummed, I like the remote apps, the new management applets just 
about everything but it is totally unreliable!!

Thanks for feedback.

From: Ben Nordlander [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

heh was planning on migrating my 03 citrix to windows 08 with latest version of 
XenApp (or whatever it is called now; previously metaframe/presentation). maybe 
2008 R2 will be better for us? :)

-Ben
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Phil Thompson 
mailto:ph...@wpiinc.com>> wrote:

Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I'm needing to vent!!!



Right now I'm ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had nothing but 
trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got it was the so called 
ease of printing. What a bunch of BULL that is. Nothing but trouble, especially 
with HP printers shutting down the spooler. Right now the server freezes up. 
Can't get to task manager to see what is going on. Logs don't tell anything. I 
have to hold the off button to shut it down.



There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P !!



I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an issue 
with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there software is 
compatible but I truly doubt it or it



I'm going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this time. 3 
months of explaining to management and users this and that, I'm starting look 
like a dumb ass.



Any way that's it. I feel better now.!!














~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Ben Nordlander]

heh was planning on migrating my 03 citrix to windows 08 with latest version
of XenApp (or whatever it is called now; previously metaframe/presentation).
maybe 2008 R2 will be better for us? :)

-Ben

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Phil Thompson  wrote:

>  Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I’m needing to
> vent!!!
>
>
>
> Right now I’m ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had nothing
> but trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got it was the so
> called *ease of printing*. What a bunch of BULL that is. Nothing but
> trouble, especially with HP printers shutting down the spooler. Right now
> the server freezes up. Can’t get to task manager to see what is going on.
> Logs don’t tell anything. I have to hold the off button to shut it down.
>
>
>
> There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P !!
>
>
>
> I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an
> issue with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there software
> is compatible but I truly doubt it or it
>
>
>
> I’m going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this time.
> 3 months of explaining to management and users this and that, I’m starting
> look like a dumb ass.
>
>
>
> Any way that’s it. I feel better now.!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Bleep'n window server 2008 terminal server

[Steve Ens]

Hi Phil
I run my TS08 in a Hyper V virtual machine.  I've got Canons, Ricohs,
Pannys, Brothers and HP units.  They all work fine (of couse you need to
install the printer on the server).  I love the published apps, the remote
app web page, etc.  No issues here.  Works great for me.
Steve

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Phil Thompson  wrote:

>  Just wonder others experience with 08 terminal server. I’m needing to
> vent!!!
>
>
>
> Right now I’m ready to throw the damn thing in the lake. I have had nothing
> but trouble with it for 3 months. One of the big reasons I got it was the so
> called *ease of printing*. What a bunch of BULL that is. Nothing but
> trouble, especially with HP printers shutting down the spooler. Right now
> the server freezes up. Can’t get to task manager to see what is going on.
> Logs don’t tell anything. I have to hold the off button to shut it down.
>
>
>
> There are some features I like but generally it is a pile of C R A P !!
>
>
>
> I have my trusty old 03 Terminal server to fall back on. NEVER have an
> issue with it. Same programs running on it. The venders say there software
> is compatible but I truly doubt it or it
>
>
>
> I’m going to take 08 off of it and go with 03, my only choice at this time.
> 3 months of explaining to management and users this and that, I’m starting
> look like a dumb ass.
>
>
>
> Any way that’s it. I feel better now.!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~