RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

I suspect it just won't be the same without the tactile feedback from
those buttons tho (clik, clik, clik...)

 

-sc

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

LED Football for iPhone.  Don't know about others.

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Awesome.

 

There's gotta be a port for cell phones out there somewhere...

 

-sc

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I bought one of those a few years ago, broken, for a few bucks. Wired in
a new battery connector and it worked perfectly! I must admit, I
couldn't get that dash to run as fast as I could 30 years ago.

 

:-)

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Those dashes were Gnarly!

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

>>Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

Nostalgia alert!!



ASB (My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>  
Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

...emulating Pong.

Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues

[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010

14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
>
> Kinda cool.
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-

> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>

> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
> multi-billionaire. :)
>
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
>
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> mix
>

> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it?
>
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700

> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> >
> > WJR
> >
> > - from my Crackberry.
> >
> >
> >
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> >

> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >

> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> > mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Don Guyer]

I think that was the start of my ADD.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com <mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com> 

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Awesome.

 

There's gotta be a port for cell phones out there somewhere...

 

-sc

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I bought one of those a few years ago, broken, for a few bucks. Wired in
a new battery connector and it worked perfectly! I must admit, I
couldn't get that dash to run as fast as I could 30 years ago.

 

J

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Those dashes were Gnarly!

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

>>Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

Nostalgia alert!!



ASB (My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>  
Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

...emulating Pong.

Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues

[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010

14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
>
> Kinda cool.
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-

> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>

> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
> multi-billionaire. :)
>
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
>
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> mix
>

> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it?
>
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700

> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> >
> > WJR
> >
> > - from my Crackberry.
> >
> >
> >
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> >

> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >

> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> > mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have relied on calling in to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> &

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Mayo, Bill]

LED Football for iPhone.  Don't know about others.



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix



Awesome.

 

There's gotta be a port for cell phones out there somewhere...

 

-sc

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I bought one of those a few years ago, broken, for a few bucks. Wired in
a new battery connector and it worked perfectly! I must admit, I
couldn't get that dash to run as fast as I could 30 years ago.

 

:-)

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Those dashes were Gnarly!

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

>>Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

Nostalgia alert!!



ASB (My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>  
Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

...emulating Pong.

Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues

[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010

14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
>
> Kinda cool.
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-

> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>

> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
> multi-billionaire. :)
>
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
>
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> mix
>

> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it?
>
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700

> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> >
> > WJR
> >
> > - from my Crackberry.
> >
> >
> >
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> >

> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >

> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> > mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have relied on calling in to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> >

> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> >

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Awesome.

 

There's gotta be a port for cell phones out there somewhere...

 

-sc

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I bought one of those a few years ago, broken, for a few bucks. Wired in
a new battery connector and it worked perfectly! I must admit, I
couldn't get that dash to run as fast as I could 30 years ago.

 

:-)

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Those dashes were Gnarly!

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

>>Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

Nostalgia alert!!



ASB (My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>  
Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

...emulating Pong.

Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues

[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010

14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
>
> Kinda cool.
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-

> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>

> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
> multi-billionaire. :)
>
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
>
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> mix
>

> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it?
>
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700

> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> >
> > WJR
> >
> > - from my Crackberry.
> >
> >
> >
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> >

> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >

> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> > mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have relied on calling in to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> >

> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > >
> >

> > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there
> > &g

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Don Guyer]

I bought one of those a few years ago, broken, for a few bucks. Wired in
a new battery connector and it worked perfectly! I must admit, I
couldn't get that dash to run as fast as I could 30 years ago.

 

J

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com <mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com> 

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Those dashes were Gnarly!

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

>>Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

Nostalgia alert!!



ASB (My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>  
Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

...emulating Pong.

Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues

[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010

14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
>
> Kinda cool.
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-

> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>

> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
> multi-billionaire. :)
>
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
>
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> mix
>

> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it?
>
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700

> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> >
> > WJR
> >
> > - from my Crackberry.
> >
> >
> >
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> >

> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >

> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> > mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have relied on calling in to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> >

> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > >
> >

> > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there
> > > is
> >
> > still
> >
> > > program manager shipping with Windows?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > - Original Message -
> >
> > > F

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Those dashes were Gnarly!

 

-sc

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

>>Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

Nostalgia alert!!



ASB (My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>  
Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
 

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

...emulating Pong.

Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

-sc


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.



--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues

[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010

14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix



> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
>
> Kinda cool.
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-

> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>

> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
> multi-billionaire. :)
>
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
>
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> mix
>

> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it?
>
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]

> To: NT System Admin Issues

> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700

> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> >
> > WJR
> >
> > - from my Crackberry.
> >
> >
> >
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> >
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> >

> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >

> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> > mix
> >
> >
> >

> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have relied on calling in to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> >

> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > >
> >

> > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there
> > > is
> >
> > still
> >
> > > program manager shipping with Windows?
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > - Original Message -
> >
> > > From: "David Lum" 
> >

> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > > 
> >

> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> >
> > > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >

> > > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11
> > > days
> >
> > I did
> >
> > > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> >
> > Close
> >
> > > Clock. :-)
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I&

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

My work here is done.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Um.

I guess I don't have a response to that.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And what's wrong with running an emulator in each?

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

No, that's the number of dimensions required (according to current
theory) to contain the entire multiverse.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of 
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a 
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> 
> Kinda cool.
> 
> -sc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a 
> multi-billionaire. :)
>  
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> mix
> 
> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 
> 
> Sm:)e.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> > 
> > WJR
> > 
> > - from my Crackberry.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > 
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> > 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> > mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still 
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have relied on calling in to it.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -sc
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> > 
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there 
> > > is
> > 
> > still
> > 
> > > program manager shipping with Windows?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > 
> > > From: "David Lum" 
> > 
> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues&q

Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>Or the original Mattel handheld Football!*

Nostalgia alert!!



*ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
*Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
* *
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> ...emulating Pong.
>
> Or the original Mattel handheld Football!
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
> Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!
>
> What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
> 11 layers comes to mind.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:17:46 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
> > Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of
> > a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> > 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> >
> > Kinda cool.
> >
> > -sc
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
> > multi-billionaire. :)
> >
> > WJR
> >  - from my Crackberry.
> >
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> > Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> > mix
> >
> > It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it?
> >
> > Sm:)e.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Steven M. Caesare
> > [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> > 14:03:36 -0700
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Like Microsoft Bob?
> > >
> > > WJR
> > >
> > > - from my Crackberry.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > >
> > > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> > >
> > > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> > >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > >
> > > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows
> > > mix
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still
> > > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may
>
> > > have relied on calling in to it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > >
> > > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> > >
> > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there
> > > > is
> > >
> > > still
> > >
> > > > program manager shipping with Windows?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > >
> > > > From: "David Lum" 
&g

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Michael B. Smith]

Um.

I guess I don't have a response to that.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And what's wrong with running an emulator in each?

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

No, that's the number of dimensions required (according to current
theory) to contain the entire multiverse.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of 
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a 
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> 
> Kinda cool.
> 
> -sc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a 
> multi-billionaire. :)
>  
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> mix
> 
> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 
> 
> Sm:)e.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> > 
> > WJR
> > 
> > - from my Crackberry.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > 
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> > 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> > mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still 
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have relied on calling in to it.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -sc
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> > 
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there 
> > > is
> > 
> > still
> > 
> > > program manager shipping with Windows?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > 
> > > From: "David Lum" 
> > 
> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> > 
> > > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
&g

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

And what's wrong with running an emulator in each?

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

No, that's the number of dimensions required (according to current
theory) to contain the entire multiverse.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of 
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a 
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> 
> Kinda cool.
> 
> -sc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a 
> multi-billionaire. :)
>  
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> mix
> 
> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 
> 
> Sm:)e.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -----
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> > 
> > WJR
> > 
> > - from my Crackberry.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > 
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> > 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> > mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still 
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have relied on calling in to it.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -sc
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > 
> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> > 
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there 
> > > is
> > 
> > still
> > 
> > > program manager shipping with Windows?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > 
> > > From: "David Lum" 
> > 
> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> > 
> > > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 
> > > days
> > 
> > I did
> > 
> > > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> > 
> > Close
> >

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Commented upon by a 1-dmensional list-jockey.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Operated by a 2 bit character not worth 4 bits.


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of 
> a
32bit
> OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a 
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> 
> Kinda cool.


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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Webster]

Nah, Shookie Baby is OOF now.  Must be out hunting turkeys.   I didn't know
TVK was in NC yet. 


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Wait.
> 
> Are you talking about Shookie again?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Operated by a 2 bit character not worth 4 bits.
> 
> 
> Webster
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of
> > a
> 32bit
> > OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> > 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> >
> > Kinda cool.


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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

...emulating Pong.

Or the original Mattel handheld Football!

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason,
11 layers comes to mind.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of 
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a 
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> 
> Kinda cool.
> 
> -sc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a 
> multi-billionaire. :)
>  
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> mix
> 
> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 
> 
> Sm:)e.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> > 
> > WJR
> > 
> > - from my Crackberry.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > 
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> > 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> > mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still 
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may

> > have relied on calling in to it.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -sc
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > -Original Message-----
> > 
> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> > 
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there 
> > > is
> > 
> > still
> > 
> > > program manager shipping with Windows?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > 
> > > From: "David Lum" 
> > 
> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> > 
> > > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 
> > > days
> > 
> > I did
> > 
> > > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> > 
> > Close
> > 
> > > Clock. :-)
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty 
> > > because
> > 
> > it
> > 
> > > was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> > 
> > > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
&g

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[James Hill]

I'm memorising that one!

-Original Message-
From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 10 September 2010 2:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to their 
desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved around, their 
desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did it once to 
a cow-orker tho . . .

--
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think 
> this is funny.
> That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic 
> wondering what they did to cause it.
> The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even though.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
>  wrote:
>> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut 
>> is
>> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> ;-)
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[William J. Robbins]

Cooler if Bob was running an 8-bit DOS window. 
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:17:46 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of a
32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
64bitmachine(Win7x64).

Kinda cool.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
multi-billionaire. :) 
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 

Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:03:36 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
>  
> 
> Like Microsoft Bob?
> 
> WJR
> 
> - from my Crackberry.
> 
>  
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> 
> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> mix
> 
>  
> 
> Because it's AWE-SOME!
> 
>  
> 
> Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still 
> shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may 
> have relied on calling in to it.
> 
>  
> 
> -sc
> 
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is
> 
> still
> 
> > program manager shipping with Windows?
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> 
> > From: "David Lum" 
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 
> > days
> 
> I did
> 
> > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> 
> Close
> 
> > Clock. :-)
> 
> > 
> 
> > I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty 
> > because
> 
> it
> 
> > was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> 
> > 
> 
> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> 
> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> 
> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> > 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that 
> > to
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved 
> > around,
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did 
> > it
> 
> once
> 
> > to a cow-orker tho . . .
> 
> > 
> 
> > --------------
> 
> > From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who 
> > > think
> 
> this
> 
> > > 

Re: Mac and Windows mix

[John Cook]

That brings us down to a half wit!
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Michael B. Smith 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thu Sep 09 17:55:17 2010
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Wait.

Are you talking about Shookie again?

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Operated by a 2 bit character not worth 4 bits.


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of
> a
32bit
> OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
>
> Kinda cool.


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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Michael B. Smith]

No, that's the number of dimensions required (according to current theory) to 
contain the entire multiverse.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason, 11 
layers comes to mind.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of 
> a 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a 
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> 
> Kinda cool.
> 
> -sc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a 
> multi-billionaire. :)
>  
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> mix
> 
> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 
> 
> Sm:)e.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> > 
> > WJR
> > 
> > - from my Crackberry.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > 
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> > 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> > mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still 
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may 
> > have relied on calling in to it.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -sc
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > -Original Message-----
> > 
> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> > 
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there 
> > > is
> > 
> > still
> > 
> > > program manager shipping with Windows?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > 
> > > From: "David Lum" 
> > 
> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> > 
> > > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 
> > > days
> > 
> > I did
> > 
> > > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> > 
> > Close
> > 
> > > Clock. :-)
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty 
> > > because
> > 
> > it
> > 
> > > was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> >

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Michael B. Smith]

Wait.

Are you talking about Shookie again?

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Operated by a 2 bit character not worth 4 bits.


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of 
> a
32bit
> OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a 
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> 
> Kinda cool.


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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Webster]

Operated by a 2 bit character not worth 4 bits.


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of a
32bit
> OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> 
> Kinda cool.


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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Matthew W. Ross]

Put a Palm Pilot emulator on it, running the gameboy emulator!

What's the current "Levels of emulation" world record? For some reason, 11 
layers comes to mind.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:17:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of a
> 32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
> 64bitmachine(Win7x64).
> 
> Kinda cool.
> 
> -sc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
> multi-billionaire. :) 
>  
> WJR
>  - from my Crackberry.
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 
> 
> Sm:)e.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
> 14:03:36 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Like Microsoft Bob?
> > 
> > WJR
> > 
> > - from my Crackberry.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > 
> > From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> > 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> > mix
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Because it's AWE-SOME!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still 
> > shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may 
> > have relied on calling in to it.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -sc
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > -Original Message-----
> > 
> > > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> > 
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is
> > 
> > still
> > 
> > > program manager shipping with Windows?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > 
> > > From: "David Lum" 
> > 
> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> > 
> > > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 
> > > days
> > 
> > I did
> > 
> > > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> > 
> > Close
> > 
> > > Clock. :-)
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty 
> > > because
> > 
> > it
> > 
> > > was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> > 
> > > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> > 
> > > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > 
> > > From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
> > 
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Incidentally, that's a 16 bit app(Bob), running on the WoW16 layer of a
32bit OS(XP), running in a virtual machine(MS VirtualPC) on a
64bitmachine(Win7x64).

Kinda cool.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a
multi-billionaire. :) 
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 

Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:03:36 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
>  
> 
> Like Microsoft Bob?
> 
> WJR
> 
> - from my Crackberry.
> 
>  
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> 
> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> mix
> 
>  
> 
> Because it's AWE-SOME!
> 
>  
> 
> Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still 
> shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may 
> have relied on calling in to it.
> 
>  
> 
> -sc
> 
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is
> 
> still
> 
> > program manager shipping with Windows?
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> 
> > From: "David Lum" 
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 
> > days
> 
> I did
> 
> > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> 
> Close
> 
> > Clock. :-)
> 
> > 
> 
> > I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty 
> > because
> 
> it
> 
> > was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> 
> > 
> 
> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> 
> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> 
> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> > 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that 
> > to
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved 
> > around,
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did 
> > it
> 
> once
> 
> > to a cow-orker tho . . .
> 
> > 
> 
> > ----------------------
> 
> > From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who 
> > > think
> 
> this
> 
> > > is funny.
> 
> > > That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in
> 
> panic
> 
> > > wondering what they did to cause it.
> 
> > > The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
> 
> though.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > -Original Mes

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

She mentioned, now that I think about it.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Last time I called her I couldn't make out much for all the weeping.
(Mine, not her's)
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:04:22
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

If I give you my wife's contact info, can you convince her of that?

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

I wondered who'd be the first with that...you never disappoint
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:57:29
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Great IDS.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

*Snort*
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:52:46
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days I
did that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
Close Clock. :-)

I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because
it was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

-Original Message-
From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to
their desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved
around, their desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.
Only did it once to a cow-orker tho . . .

------------------
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think 
> this is funny.
> That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic

> wondering what they did to cause it.
> The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
though.
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
>  wrote:
>> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut 
>> is
>> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> ;-)
>
> -- Ben
>
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Probably.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 

Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:03:36 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
>  
> 
> Like Microsoft Bob?
> 
> WJR
> 
> - from my Crackberry.
> 
>  
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> 
> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows 
> mix
> 
>  
> 
> Because it's AWE-SOME!
> 
>  
> 
> Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still 
> shipped, and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may 
> have relied on calling in to it.
> 
>  
> 
> -sc
> 
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is
> 
> still
> 
> > program manager shipping with Windows?
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> 
> > From: "David Lum" 
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 
> > days
> 
> I did
> 
> > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> 
> Close
> 
> > Clock. :-)
> 
> > 
> 
> > I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty 
> > because
> 
> it
> 
> > was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> 
> > 
> 
> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> 
> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> 
> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> > 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that 
> > to
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved 
> > around,
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did 
> > it
> 
> once
> 
> > to a cow-orker tho . . .
> 
> > 
> 
> > --
> 
> > From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who 
> > > think
> 
> this
> 
> > > is funny.
> 
> > > That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in
> 
> panic
> 
> > > wondering what they did to cause it.
> 
> > > The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
> 
> though.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > -Original Message-
> 
> > > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> 
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > >
> 
> > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> 
> > > mailto:scaes...@caesare.com> > wrote:
> 
> > >> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard 
> > >> shortcut
> 
> is
> 
> > >> Shift+W

Re: Mac and Windows mix

[William J. Robbins]

I wish I could create some crap software and end up married to a 
multi-billionaire. :) 
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:06:05 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 

Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:03:36 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
>  
> 
> Like Microsoft Bob?
> 
> WJR
> 
> - from my Crackberry.
> 
>  
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> 
> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
>  
> 
> Because it's AWE-SOME!
> 
>  
> 
> Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still shipped,
> and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may have relied
> on calling in to it.
> 
>  
> 
> -sc
> 
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is
> 
> still
> 
> > program manager shipping with Windows?
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> 
> > From: "David Lum" 
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days
> 
> I did
> 
> > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> 
> Close
> 
> > Clock. :-)
> 
> > 
> 
> > I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because
> 
> it
> 
> > was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> 
> > 
> 
> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> 
> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> 
> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> > 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved around,
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did it
> 
> once
> 
> > to a cow-orker tho . . .
> 
> > 
> 
> > --
> 
> > From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think
> 
> this
> 
> > > is funny.
> 
> > > That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in
> 
> panic
> 
> > > wondering what they did to cause it.
> 
> > > The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
> 
> though.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > -Original Message-
> 
> > > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> 
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > >
> 
> > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> 
> > > mailto:scaes...@caesare.com> > wrote:
> 
> > >> That h

Re: Mac and Windows mix

[William J. Robbins]

Last time I called her I couldn't make out much for all the weeping. (Mine, not 
her's)
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 17:04:22 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

If I give you my wife's contact info, can you convince her of that?

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

I wondered who'd be the first with that...you never disappoint
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:57:29
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Great IDS.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

*Snort*
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:52:46
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days I
did that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
Close Clock. :-)

I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because
it was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

-Original Message-
From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to
their desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved
around, their desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.
Only did it once to a cow-orker tho . . .

------------------
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think 
> this is funny.
> That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic

> wondering what they did to cause it.
> The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
though.
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
>  wrote:
>> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut 
>> is
>> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> ;-)
>
> -- Ben
>
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Matthew W. Ross]

It's all Melinda's fault, isn't it? 

Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 09 Sep 2010
14:03:36 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
>  
> 
> Like Microsoft Bob?
> 
> WJR
> 
> - from my Crackberry.
> 
>  
> 
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
> 
> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
>  
> 
> Because it's AWE-SOME!
> 
>  
> 
> Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still shipped,
> and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may have relied
> on calling in to it.
> 
>  
> 
> -sc
> 
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is
> 
> still
> 
> > program manager shipping with Windows?
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> 
> > From: "David Lum" 
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days
> 
> I did
> 
> > that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
> 
> Close
> 
> > Clock. :-)
> 
> > 
> 
> > I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because
> 
> it
> 
> > was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> 
> > 
> 
> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> 
> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> 
> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> > 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
> 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved around,
> 
> their
> 
> > desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did it
> 
> once
> 
> > to a cow-orker tho . . .
> 
> > 
> 
> > --
> 
> > From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
> 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
> 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think
> 
> this
> 
> > > is funny.
> 
> > > That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in
> 
> panic
> 
> > > wondering what they did to cause it.
> 
> > > The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
> 
> though.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > -Original Message-
> 
> > > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> 
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> > > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > >
> 
> > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
> 
> > > mailto:scaes...@caesare.com> > wrote:
> 
> > >> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut
> 
> is
> 
> > >> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
> 
> > >
> 
> > >  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> 
> > > 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> 
> > > ;-)
> 
> > >
> 
> > > -- Ben

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

If I give you my wife's contact info, can you convince her of that?

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

I wondered who'd be the first with that...you never disappoint
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:57:29
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Great IDS.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

*Snort*
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:52:46
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days I
did that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
Close Clock. :-)

I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because
it was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

-Original Message-
From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to
their desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved
around, their desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.
Only did it once to a cow-orker tho . . .

--
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think 
> this is funny.
> That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic

> wondering what they did to cause it.
> The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
though.
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
>  wrote:
>> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut 
>> is
>> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> ;-)
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[William J. Robbins]

I wondered who'd be the first with that...you never disappoint
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:57:29 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Great IDS.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

*Snort*
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:52:46
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days I
did that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
Close Clock. :-)

I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because
it was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

-Original Message-
From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to
their desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved
around, their desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.
Only did it once to a cow-orker tho . . .

--
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think 
> this is funny.
> That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic

> wondering what they did to cause it.
> The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
though.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
>  wrote:
>> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut 
>> is
>> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> ;-)
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Great IDS.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

*Snort*
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:52:46
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days I
did that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
Close Clock. :-)

I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because
it was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

-Original Message-
From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to
their desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved
around, their desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.
Only did it once to a cow-orker tho . . .

--
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think 
> this is funny.
> That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic

> wondering what they did to cause it.
> The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
though.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
>  wrote:
>> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut 
>> is
>> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> ;-)
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[William J. Robbins]

Like Microsoft Bob?
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:02:52 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Because it's AWE-SOME!

Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still shipped,
and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may have relied
on calling in to it.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is
still
> program manager shipping with Windows?
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Lum" 
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days
I did
> that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
Close
> Clock. :-)
> 
> I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because
it
> was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> 
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to
their
> desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved around,
their
> desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did it
once
> to a cow-orker tho . . .
> 
> --
> From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think
this
> > is funny.
> > That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in
panic
> > wondering what they did to cause it.
> > The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
though.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> >  wrote:
> >> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut
is
> >> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
> >
> >  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> > 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> > ;-)
> >
> > -- Ben
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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[William J. Robbins]

*Snort*
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:52:46 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days I did 
that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows? Close Clock. 
:-)

I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because it was a 
developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
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-Original Message-
From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to their 
desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved around, their 
desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did it once 
to a cow-orker tho . . .

--
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think this
> is funny.
> That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic
> wondering what they did to cause it.
> The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even though.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
>> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
>> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> ;-)
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:58 PM, James Kerr  wrote:
> Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is still
> program manager shipping with Windows?

  Prolly just because nobody had got around to deleting it yet... ;-)

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Because it's AWE-SOME!

Actually it's probably because up to XP, the WOW16 layer still shipped,
and progman needed to be there for old 16 bit apps that may have relied
on calling in to it.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:58 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is
still
> program manager shipping with Windows?
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Lum" 
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days
I did
> that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows?
Close
> Clock. :-)
> 
> I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because
it
> was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...
> 
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to
their
> desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved around,
their
> desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did it
once
> to a cow-orker tho . . .
> 
> ------
> From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think
this
> > is funny.
> > That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in
panic
> > wondering what they did to cause it.
> > The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even
though.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> >  wrote:
> >> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut
is
> >> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
> >
> >  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> > 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> > ;-)
> >
> > -- Ben
> >
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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[James Kerr]

Speaking of 3.x, anyone have any idea why at least until XP there is still 
program manager shipping with Windows?



- Original Message - 
From: "David Lum" 

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days I did 
that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows? Close 
Clock. :-)


I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because it 
was a developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...


David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
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-Original Message-
From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to their
desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved around, their
desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did it once
to a cow-orker tho . . .

--
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think this
is funny.
That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic
wondering what they did to cause it.
The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even though.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
Shift+Win+UpArrow.


 My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
;-)

-- Ben

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[David Lum]

Nice to know I'm not the only one who has done that. Back in 3.11 days I did 
that and made clock.exe the shell. How do you get out of Windows? Close Clock. 
:-)

I've done that twice...the 2nd time the results weren't pretty because it was a 
developer who started deleting his "duplicate" icons...

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

-Original Message-
From: James Winzenz [mailto:james.winz...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to their 
desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved around, their 
desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did it once 
to a cow-orker tho . . .

--
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> 10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think this
> is funny.
> That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic
> wondering what they did to cause it.
> The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even though.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
>> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
>> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
> ;-)
>
> -- Ben
>
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Mike Gill]

A. Men. Brutha.

I don't understand the fear here.*nix has been able to do this as far as I
can remember. I guess MS just chose a different way to do things, but I'm
with Ben.

-- 
Mike Gill


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>> Or, without editing the plist you can walk up to any Macs with 
>>> password protected screensaver on, enter the admin pswd & boom 
>>> there's the user's desktop at your disposal.
>>
>>  I wish Windows had that option.
>
> Windows 7 has the best of both worlds, IMO.

  The reason I want that is that in some offices people lock the session
with something important open and then forget and leave, then someone else
who is trusted wants to unlock it but cannot (without blowing away their
logon session).  This is often *the* reason why small offices don't want
auto-screen-locking (or have to resort to writing down passwords).

   Even non-repudiation is not an excuse; I would fully expect this to show
up in the logs, just just any number of other potentially compromising
events show up now.

  I'm not saying it should be enabled by default, but the option would be
useful in many small office environments.  You or Ken don't have to use it.

-- Ben

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[James Winzenz]

Ha, my favorite was to take a screenshot of their desktop, set that to their 
desktop background, then kill exporer.exe.  Mouse still moved around, their 
desktop looked fine, but they couldn't click on anything.  Only did it once 
to a cow-orker tho . . .


--
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:01 AM
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think this
is funny.
That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic
wondering what they did to cause it.
The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even though.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
Shift+Win+UpArrow.


 My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
;-)

-- Ben

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Maglinger, Paul]

10,000 comedians out of work and we get stuck with people who think this
is funny.
That's always a joy here because then they call the Help Desk in panic
wondering what they did to cause it.
The jokester doesn't find it funny when the Help Desk gets even though.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
> Shift+Win+UpArrow.

  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
;-)

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Matthew W. Ross]

- Original Message -
From: sdewilliman

> All said and done, Macs are user friendly. Just not sysadmin-friendly,
> despite what Matt says :) And if he's willing to trade tips I may not have
> come across in managing them in the enterprise, I'm all ears


If you ask, I'll try to answer.

Also, if you're serious about Macs in your Windows environment, you should get 
on the MacEnterprise mailing list. There are much more knowledgeable people on 
that list who know better MacFu than I.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Matthew W. Ross]

Ever since the Mighty Mouse came out, it seemed that Apple had said "Okay, we 
give in!" to the one-button-mouse thing. Now all the mice they sell are 
"Multi-button" mice.

Right-Click context menus do exists, and are not as rare as you would think on 
a Mac. Apple doesn't use them alot, but everybody else does.

As somebody else pointed out, there are a lot of shortcut keys on a Mac. 
They're just different.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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[mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 08 Sep 2010
21:00:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix


> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> > But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right button
> > context menus, ugh.
> 
>   I'm told that if you hook a mouse with more than one button up to a
> Mac, the right button will actually bring up a context menu for some
> things.  Haven't tried it.
> 
>   I think context menus are a wonderful thing, greatly contributing to
> ease-of-use, and I don't get why Apple is so dead set against them.
> Prolly just Not Invented Here syndrome.
> 
> > And less shortcut key combos.
> 
>   I've notice that Microsoft seems determined to take away (or at
> least make harder to find/use) shortcut keys.  Vista makes it very
> hard to find the "show shortcut keys" option (whatever it's actually
> called), and even when enabled, it doesn't seem to work consistently.
> :-p
> 
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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[William Robbins]

Cool.

 - WJR


On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 23:12, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> I assume my answering this would already be redundant?
>
> No?
>
> OK, it does this: [presses key combo]
>
> See?
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:09 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> Ooo, something new to try. What does that combo do?
> --Original Message--
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> Sent: Sep 8, 2010 23:07
>
> I agree.
>
> The new ribbon interfaces in the Office Apps that don't have menus
> (where you can discover keystrokes) excaerbates this.
>
> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:00 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> > But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right
> > button context menus, ugh.
>
>  I'm told that if you hook a mouse with more than one button up to a
> Mac, the right button will actually bring up a context menu for some
> things.  Haven't tried it.
>
>  I think context menus are a wonderful thing, greatly contributing to
> ease-of-use, and I don't get why Apple is so dead set against them.
> Prolly just Not Invented Here syndrome.
>
> > And less shortcut key combos.
>
>  I've notice that Microsoft seems determined to take away (or at least
> make harder to find/use) shortcut keys.  Vista makes it very hard to
> find the "show shortcut keys" option (whatever it's actually called),
> and even when enabled, it doesn't seem to work consistently.
> :-p
>
> -- Ben
>
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Oh yeah... I do likes me some scroll-wheeling.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:49 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> And the scroll wheel.
> 
> The pre-MacOSX suffered from too many "magical" keyboard shortcuts.
> When the internet didn't exist, it wasn't that easy to find out what
these all
> where. It was just great that you could rebuild a Mac by booting off
an
> external SCSI drive and copying over a folder (after separating out
the
> system suitcase on the existing install). But you needed to know all
these
> random things.
> 
> Cheers
> Ken
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 8:55 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> From my usage, it appears, however, that context menus are not well
> supported.. perhaps because they aren't as immediately "discoverable"?
> 
> I dunno.. I understand that would be more of an app issue, but I
really find
> the right button on the muse to be one of the best HID additions
made...
> 
> -sc
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:29 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > Actually, contextual menus have been a part of Mac OS since before
> they
> > switched over to X.  If you have a one-button mouse, you simply hold
> the
> > control key when you click.
> >
> > Additionally, Mac OS X has always had a feature called "Services",
> which can
> > be invoked via a ctl/right click.  Services are system wide and
> contextual.  For
> > example, you can write a service that does pretty much anything with
> text,
> > and that service will show up when ctl/right click any block of
text.
> It won't
> > show up if you select, for example, a graphic.  Services are always
> contextual,
> > it affects a certain data type and only shows up when you have
> selected that
> > data time (including files).  The only draw back to services is that
> they are
> > underutilized and not a lot of 3rd party developers write them.
> 
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Ken Schaefer]

And the scroll wheel.

The pre-MacOSX suffered from too many "magical" keyboard shortcuts. When the 
internet didn't exist, it wasn't that easy to find out what these all where. It 
was just great that you could rebuild a Mac by booting off an external SCSI 
drive and copying over a folder (after separating out the system suitcase on 
the existing install). But you needed to know all these random things.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 8:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

>From my usage, it appears, however, that context menus are not well 
>supported.. perhaps because they aren't as immediately "discoverable"?

I dunno.. I understand that would be more of an app issue, but I really find 
the right button on the muse to be one of the best HID additions made...

-sc



> -Original Message-
> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:29 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Actually, contextual menus have been a part of Mac OS since before
they
> switched over to X.  If you have a one-button mouse, you simply hold
the
> control key when you click.
> 
> Additionally, Mac OS X has always had a feature called "Services",
which can
> be invoked via a ctl/right click.  Services are system wide and
contextual.  For
> example, you can write a service that does pretty much anything with
text,
> and that service will show up when ctl/right click any block of text.
It won't
> show up if you select, for example, a graphic.  Services are always
contextual,
> it affects a certain data type and only shows up when you have
selected that
> data time (including files).  The only draw back to services is that
they are
> underutilized and not a lot of 3rd party developers write them.


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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Kill two birds with one stone and do it to the family.

 

-sc

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

That's a legendary piece of technical genius. I'd love to have the time
to do the same thing to potential wireless thieves in my neighbourhood,
but family stuff always eats up the time.

On 9 September 2010 13:46, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

I suspect so.

Here's alternative fun:
http://ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
<http://ex-parrot.com/%7Epete/upside-down-ternet.html> 

-sc


> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]

> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>

> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> >>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> >> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's
computers...
> >
> > In the Win7 shell?
>
>   I dunno, it works on XP at %WORK%.  It might actually be implemented
by
> video card software; maybe it's not a feature of 'doze itself.
>
> -- Ben
>

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

>From my usage, it appears, however, that context menus are not well
supported.. perhaps because they aren't as immediately "discoverable"?

I dunno.. I understand that would be more of an app issue, but I really
find the right button on the muse to be one of the best HID additions
made...

-sc



> -Original Message-
> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:29 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Actually, contextual menus have been a part of Mac OS since before
they
> switched over to X.  If you have a one-button mouse, you simply hold
the
> control key when you click.
> 
> Additionally, Mac OS X has always had a feature called "Services",
which can
> be invoked via a ctl/right click.  Services are system wide and
contextual.  For
> example, you can write a service that does pretty much anything with
text,
> and that service will show up when ctl/right click any block of text.
It won't
> show up if you select, for example, a graphic.  Services are always
contextual,
> it affects a certain data type and only shows up when you have
selected that
> data time (including files).  The only draw back to services is that
they are
> underutilized and not a lot of 3rd party developers write them.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:35 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right
button
> context menus, ugh. And less shortcut key combos.
> 
> Having a real term window is nice tho.
> 
> -sc
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: James Hill [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> Interestingly most Mac users don't struggle too much with Windows.
It's a
> whole other story for the opposite though.  The fact Windows is
everywhere
> usually assists someone who primarily uses Mac because at some stage
they
> have ended up in front of a Windows machine.
> 
> Personally I quite like the Mac interface.  It is easy to use.
Windows
> 7 has caught up to that in many ways but there is no doubt that in the
past
> the Mac interface was easier (and prettier).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 9:50 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> In our environment, there are several _subjective_ benefits:
> 
> Software Costs
> Ease of use (Especially for existing Mac users.) Ease of deployment
Less
> Malware (Please note, I did not say a Mac was more secure!) Simple
> Management (For me, anyways.)
> 
> But they are expensive. I just got an email from my Apple rep offering
us
> very nice looking 21.5" iMacs in quantities of 25 or more for $899
(These are
> last generation, and are offered to schools only, I think)...
> but we have been buying refurbished Dells for $350 with a 3 year
warrantee.
> It's likely we'll go for the Dells, as our new budget can't handle the
Apple tax.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: James Hill
> [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Wed, 08 Sep 2010
> 16:14:38 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> > I guess it's the result of Windows being the majority.  Why go with
> > the minority if it poses extra challenges?  There has to be
> > significant benefits to do it.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 5:01 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: James Hill
> > [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010
> > 19:38:07 -0700
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > > I find it hard to see the benefit of using Mac's in a corporate
> > > environment these days.  Once upon a time they were the system to
> > > have in certain environments (video editing etc).  but that really
> > > isn't the
> > case anymore.
> > > When I do see them in corporate environments they are almost
always
> > > using RD

Re: Mac and Windows mix

[John Cook]

PEBKAC
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Steven M. Caesare 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thu Sep 09 08:51:02 2010
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Yeah, somebody else already pointed that out...

I know the difference and was aiming for tenet, but think I actually
misspelled it and managed to allow speelchuck to correct it to the wrong
word for me.

Either-that or it was an Operating System admin kernel-userspace
interaction security problem.


-sc
> -Original Message-
> From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:30 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On 8 Sep 2010 at 18:40, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>
> > You keep ignoring the basic tenant people are pointing out to
you.
>
> [grammar nazi mode ON] I think you mean "tenet" [/grandma nazi mode
> OFF]
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Yeah, somebody else already pointed that out...

I know the difference and was aiming for tenet, but think I actually
misspelled it and managed to allow speelchuck to correct it to the wrong
word for me.

Either-that or it was an Operating System admin kernel-userspace
interaction security problem.


-sc
> -Original Message-
> From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:30 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> On 8 Sep 2010 at 18:40, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> 
> > You keep ignoring the basic tenant people are pointing out to
you.
> 
> [grammar nazi mode ON] I think you mean "tenet" [/grandma nazi mode
> OFF]
> 
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[James Rankin]

That's a legendary piece of technical genius. I'd love to have the time to
do the same thing to potential wireless thieves in my neighbourhood, but
family stuff always eats up the time.

On 9 September 2010 13:46, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

> I suspect so.
>
> Here's alternative fun:
> http://ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html<http://ex-parrot.com/%7Epete/upside-down-ternet.html>
>
> -sc
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:31 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare
> >  wrote:
> > >>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> > >> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's
> computers...
> > >
> > > In the Win7 shell?
> >
> >   I dunno, it works on XP at %WORK%.  It might actually be implemented
> by
> > video card software; maybe it's not a feature of 'doze itself.
> >
> > -- Ben
> >
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

I suspect so.

Here's alternative fun:
http://ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html

-sc

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> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> >>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
> >> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's
computers...
> >
> > In the Win7 shell?
> 
>   I dunno, it works on XP at %WORK%.  It might actually be implemented
by
> video card software; maybe it's not a feature of 'doze itself.
> 
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Mayo, Bill]

Actually, contextual menus have been a part of Mac OS since before they
switched over to X.  If you have a one-button mouse, you simply hold the
control key when you click.

Additionally, Mac OS X has always had a feature called "Services", which
can be invoked via a ctl/right click.  Services are system wide and
contextual.  For example, you can write a service that does pretty much
anything with text, and that service will show up when ctl/right click
any block of text.  It won't show up if you select, for example, a
graphic.  Services are always contextual, it affects a certain data type
and only shows up when you have selected that data time (including
files).  The only draw back to services is that they are underutilized
and not a lot of 3rd party developers write them.


-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right button
context menus, ugh. And less shortcut key combos.

Having a real term window is nice tho.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Interestingly most Mac users don't struggle too much with Windows.  It's
a whole other story for the opposite though.  The fact Windows is
everywhere usually assists someone who primarily uses Mac because at
some stage they have ended up in front of a Windows machine.

Personally I quite like the Mac interface.  It is easy to use.  Windows
7 has caught up to that in many ways but there is no doubt that in the
past the Mac interface was easier (and prettier).

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

In our environment, there are several _subjective_ benefits:

Software Costs
Ease of use (Especially for existing Mac users.) Ease of deployment Less
Malware (Please note, I did not say a Mac was more secure!) Simple
Management (For me, anyways.)

But they are expensive. I just got an email from my Apple rep offering
us very nice looking 21.5" iMacs in quantities of 25 or more for $899
(These are last generation, and are offered to schools only, I think)...
but we have been buying refurbished Dells for $350 with a 3 year
warrantee. It's likely we'll go for the Dells, as our new budget can't
handle the Apple tax.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
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To: NT System Admin Issues
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Sent: Wed, 08 Sep 2010
16:14:38 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> I guess it's the result of Windows being the majority.  Why go with 
> the minority if it poses extra challenges?  There has to be 
> significant benefits to do it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: James Hill
> [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010
> 19:38:07 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > I find it hard to see the benefit of using Mac's in a corporate 
> > environment these days.  Once upon a time they were the system to 
> > have in certain environments (video editing etc).  but that really 
> > isn't the
> case anymore.
> > When I do see them in corporate environments they are almost always 
> > using RDP or Virtual Box etc to connect to a Windows environment.
> > Why add that complexity?
> 
> If the goal is to reduce complexity, then defiantly stay with one
platform.
> My argument has never been that adding Macs to your PC environment 
> will make it less complex.
> 
> But what I guess is really bothering me here is the "But you can't do 
> that with a Mac" mentality. Apple has made every effort to make their 
> platform work for you. If it can't be done on a Mac, it's because what

> you want to do hasn't been made available for the Mac. Apple cannot 
> implement .net, even if they wanted to use Mono. So your .net 
> applications are never going to be useful on a Mac. Have a web 
> application that requires IE because it requires ActiveX? Again, this 
> isn't Apple's problem. Using Microsoft Word or Excel with a VBScript?
> Sorry, no dice on a Mac. These are a few of the vendor locking tactics

> which makes life (

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Ken Schaefer]

Wouldn't the / and the "OFF" be redundant?
or
Wouldn't the / and the "OFF" be redundant?

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 2:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And I think you mean "/grammar nazi mode OFF"


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Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 4:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On 8 Sep 2010 at 18:40, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

> You keep ignoring the basic tenant people are pointing out to you.

[grammar nazi mode ON] I think you mean "tenet" [/grandma nazi mode OFF]

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[James Hill]

And I think you mean "/grammar nazi mode OFF"


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Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 4:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On 8 Sep 2010 at 18:40, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

> You keep ignoring the basic tenant people are pointing out to you.

[grammar nazi mode ON] I think you mean "tenet" [/grandma nazi mode OFF]

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 8 Sep 2010 at 18:40, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:

> You keep ignoring the basic tenant people are pointing out to you.

[grammar nazi mode ON] I think you mean "tenet" [/grandma nazi mode OFF]

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[James Hill]

Yep it's an Intel Graphics feature.  Same key combo is the default to release 
the mouse(or something like that) from a Virtualbox window... that tricked me 
up the first time :)

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 2:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Intel Control Center implements this, not Windows itself.

You can do the same via the Windows Mobility Centre, but I'm not aware of a 
short-cut key combination for it

Cheers
Ken

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Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 12:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
>> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
>
> In the Win7 shell?

  I dunno, it works on XP at %WORK%.  It might actually be implemented by video 
card software; maybe it's not a feature of 'doze itself.

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Ken Schaefer]

Intel Control Center implements this, not Windows itself.

You can do the same via the Windows Mobility Centre, but I'm not aware of a 
short-cut key combination for it

Cheers
Ken

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Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 12:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
>> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
>
> In the Win7 shell?

  I dunno, it works on XP at %WORK%.  It might actually be implemented by video 
card software; maybe it's not a feature of 'doze itself.

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Brian Desmond]

That's in at least the nVidia tray app I believe.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132



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Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
>> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
>
> In the Win7 shell?

  I dunno, it works on XP at %WORK%.  It might actually be implemented by video 
card software; maybe it's not a feature of 'doze itself.

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
>>  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
>> 90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
>
> In the Win7 shell?

  I dunno, it works on XP at %WORK%.  It might actually be implemented
by video card software; maybe it's not a feature of 'doze itself.

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

In the Win7 shell?

Whatcha smokin'?

-sc

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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
> Shift+Win+UpArrow.

  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
;-)

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:21 AM, sdewilliman  wrote:
> All said and done, Macs are user friendly. Just not sysadmin-friendly ...

  Two classic computer definitions:

Easy to use: Hard to learn.

Easy to learn: Hard to use.

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[sdewilliman]

Actually most Mac mice, magic ones included, all invoke the contextual menu
same as other ones...kb shortcuts are also extremely useful on a mac.
Spotlight search, (cmd-space) while evil on a fileserver, I cannot do
without. 

All said and done, Macs are user friendly. Just not sysadmin-friendly,
despite what Matt says :) And if he's willing to trade tips I may not have
come across in managing them in the enterprise, I'm all ears


On 9/9/10 12:00 AM, "Ben Scott"  wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
>> But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right button
>> context menus, ugh.
> 
>   I'm told that if you hook a mouse with more than one button up to a
> Mac, the right button will actually bring up a context menu for some
> things.  Haven't tried it.
> 
>   I think context menus are a wonderful thing, greatly contributing to
> ease-of-use, and I don't get why Apple is so dead set against them.
> Prolly just Not Invented Here syndrome.
> 
>> And less shortcut key combos.
> 
>   I've notice that Microsoft seems determined to take away (or at
> least make harder to find/use) shortcut keys.  Vista makes it very
> hard to find the "show shortcut keys" option (whatever it's actually
> called), and even when enabled, it doesn't seem to work consistently.
> :-p
> 
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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
> Shift+Win+UpArrow.

  My favorite is Ctrl+Alt+RightArrow, which rotates the screen image
90 degrees.  Of course, I only use it on other people's computers...
;-)

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Don Ely]

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=shift%2Bwin%2Bup+arrow

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:09 PM, William J. Robbins wrote:

> Ooo, something new to try. What does that combo do?
> --Original Message--
> From: Steven M. Caesare
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>  Sent: Sep 8, 2010 23:07
>
> I agree.
>
> The new ribbon interfaces in the Office Apps that don't have menus
> (where you can discover keystrokes) excaerbates this.
>
> That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
> Shift+Win+UpArrow.
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:00 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> > But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right
> > button context menus, ugh.
>
>  I'm told that if you hook a mouse with more than one button up to a
> Mac, the right button will actually bring up a context menu for some
> things.  Haven't tried it.
>
>  I think context menus are a wonderful thing, greatly contributing to
> ease-of-use, and I don't get why Apple is so dead set against them.
> Prolly just Not Invented Here syndrome.
>
> > And less shortcut key combos.
>
>  I've notice that Microsoft seems determined to take away (or at least
> make harder to find/use) shortcut keys.  Vista makes it very hard to
> find the "show shortcut keys" option (whatever it's actually called),
> and even when enabled, it doesn't seem to work consistently.
> :-p
>
> -- Ben
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>
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>
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

I assume my answering this would already be redundant?

No?

OK, it does this: [presses key combo]

See?

-sc

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From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

Ooo, something new to try. What does that combo do?
--Original Message--
From: Steven M. Caesare
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
Sent: Sep 8, 2010 23:07

I agree.

The new ribbon interfaces in the Office Apps that don't have menus
(where you can discover keystrokes) excaerbates this.

That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
Shift+Win+UpArrow.

-sc

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right 
> button context menus, ugh.

  I'm told that if you hook a mouse with more than one button up to a
Mac, the right button will actually bring up a context menu for some
things.  Haven't tried it.

  I think context menus are a wonderful thing, greatly contributing to
ease-of-use, and I don't get why Apple is so dead set against them.
Prolly just Not Invented Here syndrome.

> And less shortcut key combos.

  I've notice that Microsoft seems determined to take away (or at least
make harder to find/use) shortcut keys.  Vista makes it very hard to
find the "show shortcut keys" option (whatever it's actually called),
and even when enabled, it doesn't seem to work consistently.
:-p

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[William J. Robbins]

Ooo, something new to try. What does that combo do?
--Original Message--
From: Steven M. Caesare
To: NT System Admin Issues
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Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
Sent: Sep 8, 2010 23:07

I agree.

The new ribbon interfaces in the Office Apps that don't have menus
(where you can discover keystrokes) excaerbates this.

That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
Shift+Win+UpArrow.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right 
> button context menus, ugh.

  I'm told that if you hook a mouse with more than one button up to a
Mac, the right button will actually bring up a context menu for some
things.  Haven't tried it.

  I think context menus are a wonderful thing, greatly contributing to
ease-of-use, and I don't get why Apple is so dead set against them.
Prolly just Not Invented Here syndrome.

> And less shortcut key combos.

  I've notice that Microsoft seems determined to take away (or at least
make harder to find/use) shortcut keys.  Vista makes it very hard to
find the "show shortcut keys" option (whatever it's actually called),
and even when enabled, it doesn't seem to work consistently.
:-p

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

I agree.

The new ribbon interfaces in the Office Apps that don't have menus
(where you can discover keystrokes) excaerbates this.

That having been said, my favorite new Win7 shell keyboard shortcut is
Shift+Win+UpArrow.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right 
> button context menus, ugh.

  I'm told that if you hook a mouse with more than one button up to a
Mac, the right button will actually bring up a context menu for some
things.  Haven't tried it.

  I think context menus are a wonderful thing, greatly contributing to
ease-of-use, and I don't get why Apple is so dead set against them.
Prolly just Not Invented Here syndrome.

> And less shortcut key combos.

  I've notice that Microsoft seems determined to take away (or at least
make harder to find/use) shortcut keys.  Vista makes it very hard to
find the "show shortcut keys" option (whatever it's actually called),
and even when enabled, it doesn't seem to work consistently.
:-p

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Brian Desmond]

My Mac has a Dell mouse attached to it (versus the like 99 dollar mouse the 
Apple store had) and yes there is a right click menu of sorts sometimes. I 
think if you hold down like Option or something and "left" click with a Mac 
mouse you get the same effect.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right 
> button context menus, ugh.

  I'm told that if you hook a mouse with more than one button up to a Mac, the 
right button will actually bring up a context menu for some things.  Haven't 
tried it.

  I think context menus are a wonderful thing, greatly contributing to 
ease-of-use, and I don't get why Apple is so dead set against them.
Prolly just Not Invented Here syndrome.

> And less shortcut key combos.

  I've notice that Microsoft seems determined to take away (or at least make 
harder to find/use) shortcut keys.  Vista makes it very hard to find the "show 
shortcut keys" option (whatever it's actually called), and even when enabled, 
it doesn't seem to work consistently.
:-p

-- Ben

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right button
> context menus, ugh.

  I'm told that if you hook a mouse with more than one button up to a
Mac, the right button will actually bring up a context menu for some
things.  Haven't tried it.

  I think context menus are a wonderful thing, greatly contributing to
ease-of-use, and I don't get why Apple is so dead set against them.
Prolly just Not Invented Here syndrome.

> And less shortcut key combos.

  I've notice that Microsoft seems determined to take away (or at
least make harder to find/use) shortcut keys.  Vista makes it very
hard to find the "show shortcut keys" option (whatever it's actually
called), and even when enabled, it doesn't seem to work consistently.
:-p

-- Ben

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

But tended to be somewhat less capable for power users. No right button
context menus, ugh. And less shortcut key combos.

Having a real term window is nice tho.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Interestingly most Mac users don't struggle too much with Windows.  It's
a whole other story for the opposite though.  The fact Windows is
everywhere usually assists someone who primarily uses Mac because at
some stage they have ended up in front of a Windows machine.

Personally I quite like the Mac interface.  It is easy to use.  Windows
7 has caught up to that in many ways but there is no doubt that in the
past the Mac interface was easier (and prettier).

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

In our environment, there are several _subjective_ benefits:

Software Costs
Ease of use (Especially for existing Mac users.) Ease of deployment Less
Malware (Please note, I did not say a Mac was more secure!) Simple
Management (For me, anyways.)

But they are expensive. I just got an email from my Apple rep offering
us very nice looking 21.5" iMacs in quantities of 25 or more for $899
(These are last generation, and are offered to schools only, I think)...
but we have been buying refurbished Dells for $350 with a 3 year
warrantee. It's likely we'll go for the Dells, as our new budget can't
handle the Apple tax.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: James Hill
[mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 08 Sep 2010
16:14:38 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> I guess it's the result of Windows being the majority.  Why go with 
> the minority if it poses extra challenges?  There has to be 
> significant benefits to do it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: James Hill
> [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010
> 19:38:07 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > I find it hard to see the benefit of using Mac's in a corporate 
> > environment these days.  Once upon a time they were the system to 
> > have in certain environments (video editing etc).  but that really 
> > isn't the
> case anymore.
> > When I do see them in corporate environments they are almost always 
> > using RDP or Virtual Box etc to connect to a Windows environment.
> > Why add that complexity?
> 
> If the goal is to reduce complexity, then defiantly stay with one
platform.
> My argument has never been that adding Macs to your PC environment 
> will make it less complex.
> 
> But what I guess is really bothering me here is the "But you can't do 
> that with a Mac" mentality. Apple has made every effort to make their 
> platform work for you. If it can't be done on a Mac, it's because what

> you want to do hasn't been made available for the Mac. Apple cannot 
> implement .net, even if they wanted to use Mono. So your .net 
> applications are never going to be useful on a Mac. Have a web 
> application that requires IE because it requires ActiveX? Again, this 
> isn't Apple's problem. Using Microsoft Word or Excel with a VBScript?
> Sorry, no dice on a Mac. These are a few of the vendor locking tactics

> which makes life (yours and mine) a living hell to support on a Mac.
> 
> I know that it's impractical to have a business which has fully 
> developed tools and applications in a platform specific environment to

> move to something more cross-platform. And I'm not asking for the
world to change.
> Just don't blame the Mac for being a Mac.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

The laws in that country were... let's say... "more flexible".

 

-sc

 

From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

Calling it a "bar" still doesn't make it legal -sc. 


WJR
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"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."



From: "Steven M. Caesare"  

Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:39:20 -0400

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Which reminds me of something I saw at a bar once...

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Keep saving, you'll get to 40 quarters eventually.  

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I leave it on the nightstand where I'll find it later.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And never accept money from yourself.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I'm hard to get with myself.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

C'mon... everybody does it.

 

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Ken Schaefer]

There are many things that are useful, but usefulness/convenience pretty much 
always compromises security.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 4:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>> Or, without editing the plist you can walk up to any Macs with 
>>> password protected screensaver on, enter the admin pswd & boom 
>>> there's the user's desktop at your disposal.
>>
>>  I wish Windows had that option.
>
> Windows 7 has the best of both worlds, IMO.

  The reason I want that is that in some offices people lock the session with 
something important open and then forget and leave, then someone else who is 
trusted wants to unlock it but cannot (without blowing away their logon 
session).  This is often *the* reason why small offices don't want 
auto-screen-locking (or have to resort to writing down passwords).

   Even non-repudiation is not an excuse; I would fully expect this to show up 
in the logs, just just any number of other potentially compromising events show 
up now.

  I'm not saying it should be enabled by default, but the option would be 
useful in many small office environments.  You or Ken don't have to use it.

-- Ben


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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Ken Schaefer]

What? Is there some context to that statement?

Cheers
Ken

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 2:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


I am reading the IIS 7 Implementation and Administration by John Paul Mueller 
and he is saying that you need to install SQL on your IIS instances to be able 
to use the advanced features.
EZ

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[James Hill]

Interestingly most Mac users don't struggle too much with Windows.  It's a 
whole other story for the opposite though.  The fact Windows is everywhere 
usually assists someone who primarily uses Mac because at some stage they have 
ended up in front of a Windows machine.

Personally I quite like the Mac interface.  It is easy to use.  Windows 7 has 
caught up to that in many ways but there is no doubt that in the past the Mac 
interface was easier (and prettier).

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

In our environment, there are several _subjective_ benefits:

Software Costs
Ease of use (Especially for existing Mac users.) Ease of deployment Less 
Malware (Please note, I did not say a Mac was more secure!) Simple Management 
(For me, anyways.)

But they are expensive. I just got an email from my Apple rep offering us very 
nice looking 21.5" iMacs in quantities of 25 or more for $899 (These are last 
generation, and are offered to schools only, I think)... but we have been 
buying refurbished Dells for $350 with a 3 year warrantee. It's likely we'll go 
for the Dells, as our new budget can't handle the Apple tax.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: James Hill
[mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 08 Sep 2010
16:14:38 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> I guess it's the result of Windows being the majority.  Why go with 
> the minority if it poses extra challenges?  There has to be 
> significant benefits to do it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: James Hill
> [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010
> 19:38:07 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > I find it hard to see the benefit of using Mac's in a corporate 
> > environment these days.  Once upon a time they were the system to 
> > have in certain environments (video editing etc).  but that really 
> > isn't the
> case anymore.
> > When I do see them in corporate environments they are almost always 
> > using RDP or Virtual Box etc to connect to a Windows environment.  
> > Why add that complexity?
> 
> If the goal is to reduce complexity, then defiantly stay with one platform.
> My argument has never been that adding Macs to your PC environment 
> will make it less complex.
> 
> But what I guess is really bothering me here is the "But you can't do 
> that with a Mac" mentality. Apple has made every effort to make their 
> platform work for you. If it can't be done on a Mac, it's because what 
> you want to do hasn't been made available for the Mac. Apple cannot 
> implement .net, even if they wanted to use Mono. So your .net 
> applications are never going to be useful on a Mac. Have a web 
> application that requires IE because it requires ActiveX? Again, this 
> isn't Apple's problem. Using Microsoft Word or Excel with a VBScript? 
> Sorry, no dice on a Mac. These are a few of the vendor locking tactics 
> which makes life (yours and mine) a living hell to support on a Mac.
> 
> I know that it's impractical to have a business which has fully 
> developed tools and applications in a platform specific environment to 
> move to something more cross-platform. And I'm not asking for the world to 
> change.
> Just don't blame the Mac for being a Mac.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Matthew W. Ross]

In our environment, there are several _subjective_ benefits:

Software Costs
Ease of use (Especially for existing Mac users.)
Ease of deployment
Less Malware (Please note, I did not say a Mac was more secure!)
Simple Management (For me, anyways.)

But they are expensive. I just got an email from my Apple rep offering us very 
nice looking 21.5" iMacs in quantities of 25 or more for $899 (These are last 
generation, and are offered to schools only, I think)... but we have been 
buying refurbished Dells for $350 with a 3 year warrantee. It's likely we'll go 
for the Dells, as our new budget can't handle the Apple tax.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: James Hill
[mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 08 Sep 2010
16:14:38 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> I guess it's the result of Windows being the majority.  Why go with the
> minority if it poses extra challenges?  There has to be significant benefits
> to do it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: James Hill
> [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010
> 19:38:07 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> > I find it hard to see the benefit of using Mac's in a corporate 
> > environment these days.  Once upon a time they were the system to have 
> > in certain environments (video editing etc).  but that really isn't the
> case anymore.
> > When I do see them in corporate environments they are almost always 
> > using RDP or Virtual Box etc to connect to a Windows environment.  Why 
> > add that complexity?
> 
> If the goal is to reduce complexity, then defiantly stay with one platform.
> My argument has never been that adding Macs to your PC environment will make
> it less complex. 
> 
> But what I guess is really bothering me here is the "But you can't do that
> with a Mac" mentality. Apple has made every effort to make their platform
> work for you. If it can't be done on a Mac, it's because what you want to do
> hasn't been made available for the Mac. Apple cannot implement .net, even if
> they wanted to use Mono. So your .net applications are never going to be
> useful on a Mac. Have a web application that requires IE because it requires
> ActiveX? Again, this isn't Apple's problem. Using Microsoft Word or Excel
> with a VBScript? Sorry, no dice on a Mac. These are a few of the vendor
> locking tactics which makes life (yours and mine) a living hell to support
> on a Mac.
> 
> I know that it's impractical to have a business which has fully developed
> tools and applications in a platform specific environment to move to
> something more cross-platform. And I'm not asking for the world to change.
> Just don't blame the Mac for being a Mac.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Brian Desmond]

It's a cost of doing business when you're looking at 700 locations and upwards 
of 90K machine assets not counting other inventoried hardware. You depend on 
people in the field to deal with it largely - the assets are also purchased out 
of their discretionary budgets typically. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132



-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

How could you trust a non-physical inventory? Was there an allowed loss rate? 
Anything disappearing from our district here is frowned upon greatly. We are 
constantly warned of our State Auditor's disapproval, and mishandling of 
"state-funded" equipment.

3rd party support tools for Open Directory is nearly non-existent.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Brian Desmond
[mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010
20:00:32 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix


> There was something like 15,000 - 30,000 Macs out there when I worked 
> at this place plus another 60 to 90 thousand PCs so difference of scale there.
> Taking a physical inventory was a seriously expensive endeavor.
> 
> I really don't know enough about Open Directory to comment on the 
> pros/cons of its capabilities versus those inherent in AD. One benefit 
> of AD and Windows though is that you've got a substantial ecosystem of 
> third party developers and there are A LOT of choices for management 
> add-ons on top of AD if you want the added functionality. When I've 
> had to evaluate this for the Mac platform those third parties have been few 
> and far between.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c - 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:40 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> That does make it difficult. Then again, so would any dual-booting 
> Linux user on a PC. If you don't want them to do it, don't allow them 
> too. (We make them choose one or the other.)
> 
> Users with their own personal VMs in VMWare Player or VirtualBox also 
> make management frustrating.
> 
> How does Microsoft's Active Directory manage users/computers better 
> than Apple's Open Directory?
> 
> Our district requires a count of computers at least once a year. We do 
> physical counts, not some network scan to see what's out there. That, 
> happily, resolves any "Dual personality" problem. (Not to mention the 
> teachers squirm a little when I ask there the Projector that was 
> assigned to them is.)
> 
> Oh, and I do admit that we're not a large school. 1000 computers 
> across 6 locations isn't all that much compared to some. But it's a 
> lot for 3 people, and I'm the only Mac/Linux/Network guy.
> 
> Toot!
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Brian Desmond
> [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010
> 15:37:13 -0700
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> 
> 
> > My experience having worked for one of the largest school districts 
> > in the US is that the solution you outlined doesn't really scale. 
> > I've seen it work well for relatively small environments but once 
> > you introduce a large number of Mac machines, things get difficult. 
> > When the solution works, you're still looking at some significant 
> > management overhead and duplication of infrastructure.
> > 
> > The key issue I've seen with Macs recently is their newfound bipolar 
> > disorder. One day they're a Mac, the next day they're a PC. Good 
> > luck accounting for that in your asset database.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Desmond
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> > 
> > c - 312.731.3132
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:54 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
> > 
> > Macs are not the burden you make them sound to be.
> > 
> > Integrating a Mac into a windows network is never going to be 
> > painless; the two systems are inherently different. If what you want 
> > is a Windows experience from your Ma

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[James Hill]

I guess it's the result of Windows being the majority.  Why go with the 
minority if it poses extra challenges?  There has to be significant benefits to 
do it.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 5:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

- Original Message -
From: James Hill
[mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010
19:38:07 -0700
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

> I find it hard to see the benefit of using Mac's in a corporate 
> environment these days.  Once upon a time they were the system to have 
> in certain environments (video editing etc).  but that really isn't the case 
> anymore.
> When I do see them in corporate environments they are almost always 
> using RDP or Virtual Box etc to connect to a Windows environment.  Why 
> add that complexity?

If the goal is to reduce complexity, then defiantly stay with one platform. My 
argument has never been that adding Macs to your PC environment will make it 
less complex. 

But what I guess is really bothering me here is the "But you can't do that with 
a Mac" mentality. Apple has made every effort to make their platform work for 
you. If it can't be done on a Mac, it's because what you want to do hasn't been 
made available for the Mac. Apple cannot implement .net, even if they wanted to 
use Mono. So your .net applications are never going to be useful on a Mac. Have 
a web application that requires IE because it requires ActiveX? Again, this 
isn't Apple's problem. Using Microsoft Word or Excel with a VBScript? Sorry, no 
dice on a Mac. These are a few of the vendor locking tactics which makes life 
(yours and mine) a living hell to support on a Mac.

I know that it's impractical to have a business which has fully developed tools 
and applications in a platform specific environment to move to something more 
cross-platform. And I'm not asking for the world to change. Just don't blame 
the Mac for being a Mac.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[William J. Robbins]

Calling it a "bar" still doesn't make it legal -sc. 
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Steven M. Caesare" 
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:39:20 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Which reminds me of something I saw at a bar once...

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Keep saving, you'll get to 40 quarters eventually.  

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I leave it on the nightstand where I'll find it later.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And never accept money from yourself.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I'm hard to get with myself.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

C'mon... everybody does it.

 

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

That's before payment.

 

-sc

 

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Do you ever feel short changed?

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I leave it on the nightstand where I'll find it later.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And never accept money from yourself.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I'm hard to get with myself.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

C'mon... everybody does it.

 

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Which reminds me of something I saw at a bar once...

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Keep saving, you'll get to 40 quarters eventually.  

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I leave it on the nightstand where I'll find it later.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And never accept money from yourself.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I'm hard to get with myself.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

C'mon... everybody does it.

 

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>**The fact that it was darn difficult to do much of anything without
admin privileges?**
*
You know, considering that this is a technical list, I generally expect
precise, technical answers to specific questions.

"Things were hard..." fails to approach the level of expected precision.

Many people on this very list have already attested to running environments
where everyone was not an admin.   Successfully.  Yes, there are apps that
were written with no belief that anyone might want to run them with limited
rights (e.g. AutoCad), but this is not a limitation of the OS.  Many of
these apps exist TODAY, on current versions of Windows.

Please provide specific examples of these "darn difficult" things of which
you speak.  Because right now, all you're providing is much hand-waving.


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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  The fact that it was darn difficult to do much of anything without admin
> privileges? IMHO, Windows XP was the first full 32-bit O/S designed as a
> “desktop OS”.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:15 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> And what, exactly, made Windows 2000 Workstation more of a "server" O/S?
>
>
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> * *
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> Strictly NT. Windows 2000 was much more “user friendly” but was, IMO, more
> of a “server” O/S, even W2K Workstation.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:23 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Funny, it was my user OS since pre-beta.
>
>
>
> Are you speaking of the NT “family”, or strictly the versions of the same
> codebase named “NT”?
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:29 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> True… but NT was not a “user” operating system. J
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:27 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> This is only one, tiny, aspect of implementing a security model (reading
> Windows Internals by Russinovich/Solomon is highly recommended).
>
>
>
> That said, Windows NT has had the same model since the first released
> version (v3.1 back in 1993)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Basically, that users are not admins and that everything runs in
> “userspace” unless specifically run as an admin, including installation of
> software.
>

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>> Or, without editing the plist you can walk up to any Macs with password
>>> protected screensaver on, enter the admin pswd & boom there's the user's
>>> desktop at your disposal.
>>
>>  I wish Windows had that option.
>
> Windows 7 has the best of both worlds, IMO.

  The reason I want that is that in some offices people lock the
session with something important open and then forget and leave, then
someone else who is trusted wants to unlock it but cannot (without
blowing away their logon session).  This is often *the* reason why
small offices don't want auto-screen-locking (or have to resort to
writing down passwords).

   Even non-repudiation is not an excuse; I would fully expect this to
show up in the logs, just just any number of other potentially
compromising events show up now.

  I'm not saying it should be enabled by default, but the option would
be useful in many small office environments.  You or Ken don't have to
use it.

-- Ben

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Anders Blomgren]

You either extend the schema with the needed attributes or bind (in addition
to AD) to an OpenDirectory server (an OSX Server running Open Directory).
If said OpenDirectory server is also bound to AD then you can create objects
on it that just augment an existing AD objects for mac (Management
Preferences) management.

-Anders

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> Question: how does one bring a Mac under scope of management of WGM?
>
> For AD - the machine has to be joined to the domain. For Macs?
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 5:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>  I think sdewilliam is saying that there is no modelling capability.
>
> GPMC lets you pick a user, a computer and an AD site, and dynamically
> layers all the policies at all levels that will affect the user, and gives
> you the resulting effective settings (after group filtering, WMI filtering
> etc). The advanced GPM also lets you do check-in/check-out, versioning
> control, workflow etc.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 2:21 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding: Isn't that exactly what Workgroup Manager
> does in Open Directory? There are plenty of settings which can be applied to
> individual Macs, users, user groups and computer groups.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: sdewilliman
> [mailto:sdewilli...@g2.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 07 Sep 2010
> 17:41:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
> > Precisely, with OD /WGM there¹s no central mgmt console whereby an
> > admin can tell which/what policy is applied to what group.
> > Administration easily becoems a nightmare without 3rd party mgmt
> > software such as Centrify.
>
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Andy Shook]

Keep saving, you'll get to 40 quarters eventually.

Shook

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

I leave it on the nightstand where I'll find it later.

-sc

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And never accept money from yourself.

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

I'm hard to get with myself.

-sc

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

C'mon... everybody does it.

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

-sc

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
+1

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by either 
the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you can(could) run 
UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel. (And OS/2 as well, but 
I'm dating myself).

-sc

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security model. 
In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user" versus 
"administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix permissions. 
And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.

Cheers
Ken

From: Mayo, Bill 
[mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov<mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov>]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security model of 
*nix to NT.

Bill Mayo



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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[John Cook]

Do you ever feel short changed?

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

I leave it on the nightstand where I'll find it later.

-sc

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And never accept money from yourself.

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

I'm hard to get with myself.

-sc

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

C'mon... everybody does it.

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

-sc

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
+1

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by either 
the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you can(could) run 
UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel. (And OS/2 as well, but 
I'm dating myself).

-sc

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security model. 
In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user" versus 
"administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix permissions. 
And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.

Cheers
Ken

From: Mayo, Bill 
[mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov<mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov>]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security model of 
*nix to NT.

Bill Mayo



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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

I leave it on the nightstand where I'll find it later.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And never accept money from yourself.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I'm hard to get with myself.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

C'mon... everybody does it.

 

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

+10

Jonathan L. Raper, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Incredible (and yes, it really is) Droid. Please excuse 
brevity & any misspellings.

- Reply message -
From: "Don Guyer" 
Date: Wed, Sep 8, 2010 3:05 pm
Subject: Mac and Windows mix
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Me=Migraine edition

Don Guyer
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From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

I just want to go back to the days of Windows Me.  Things were so much easier 
then…

Shook

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

>From personal experience. I haven’t had a *lot* to do with Windows 2000, but I 
>did work with several NT boxes at a previous employer. Maybe it was just the 
>software we were using (and it *has* been several years) but IIRC, you pretty 
>much had to be an admin to do anything on those boxes. Same goes for 2000. At 
>least the default config. I guess things might have been able to be tweaked, 
>but on the default install it was pretty difficult to do anything if you 
>weren’t an admin.

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From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

If you accept/trust the advice on this list, why do you cling to your 
ill-founded assertion in the face of all the evidence to the contrary?



On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
The fact that it was darn difficult to do much of anything without admin 
privileges? IMHO, Windows XP was the first full 32-bit O/S designed as a 
“desktop OS”.

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From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:15 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

And what, exactly, made Windows 2000 Workstation more of a "server" O/S?

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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
Strictly NT. Windows 2000 was much more “user friendly” but was, IMO, more of a 
“server” O/S, even W2K Workstation.

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From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com<mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:23 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Funny, it was my user OS since pre-beta.

Are you speaking of the NT “family”, or strictly the versions of the same 
codebase named “NT”?

-sc

From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com<mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:29 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

True… but NT was not a “user” operating system. :)

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From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:27 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

This is only one, tiny, aspect of implementing a security model (reading 
Windows Internals by Russinovich/Solomon is highly recommended).

That said, Windows NT has had the same model since the first released version 
(v3.1 back in 1993)

Cheers
Ken

From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com<mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:13 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Basically, that users are not admins and that everything runs in “userspace” 
unless specifically run as an admin, including installation of software.

[cid:image001.jpg@01CB4F67.2660E060][cid:image002@01cb4f67.2660e060]

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com<mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:49 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

What do you understand that model to be?

-sc

From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com<mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:15 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Not to start a flame war or anything, but I was under the impression that Mac 
OS/X was significantly *more* secure than a comparabl

Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

"Anything"???

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I can do quite a lot with MS 
Office, Open Office, Visio, IE, Google Chrome, Thunderbird, Adobe, and a number 
of other apps quite efficiently on 2000 or XP with no admin privvies...

Jonathan L. Raper, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Incredible (and yes, it really is) Droid. Please excuse 
brevity & any misspellings.

- Reply message -
From: "John Aldrich" 
Date: Wed, Sep 8, 2010 3:00 pm
Subject: Mac and Windows mix
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 

>From personal experience. I haven’t had a *lot* to do with Windows 2000, but I 
>did work with several NT boxes at a previous employer. Maybe it was just the 
>software we were using (and it *has* been several years) but IIRC, you pretty 
>much had to be an admin to do anything on those boxes. Same goes for 2000. At 
>least the default config. I guess things might have been able to be tweaked, 
>but on the default install it was pretty difficult to do anything if you 
>weren’t an admin.

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From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

If you accept/trust the advice on this list, why do you cling to your 
ill-founded assertion in the face of all the evidence to the contrary?



On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
The fact that it was darn difficult to do much of anything without admin 
privileges? IMHO, Windows XP was the first full 32-bit O/S designed as a 
“desktop OS”.

[cid:image001.jpg@01CB4F66.6DDF4B80][cid:image002@01cb4f66.6ddf4b80]

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:15 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

And what, exactly, made Windows 2000 Workstation more of a "server" O/S?

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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
Strictly NT. Windows 2000 was much more “user friendly” but was, IMO, more of a 
“server” O/S, even W2K Workstation.

[cid:image001.jpg@01CB4F66.6DDF4B80][cid:image002@01cb4f66.6ddf4b80]

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com<mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:23 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Funny, it was my user OS since pre-beta.

Are you speaking of the NT “family”, or strictly the versions of the same 
codebase named “NT”?

-sc

From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com<mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:29 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

True… but NT was not a “user” operating system. :)

[cid:image001.jpg@01CB4F66.6DDF4B80][cid:image002@01cb4f66.6ddf4b80]

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:27 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

This is only one, tiny, aspect of implementing a security model (reading 
Windows Internals by Russinovich/Solomon is highly recommended).

That said, Windows NT has had the same model since the first released version 
(v3.1 back in 1993)

Cheers
Ken

From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com<mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:13 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Basically, that users are not admins and that everything runs in “userspace” 
unless specifically run as an admin, including installation of software.

[cid:image001.jpg@01CB4F66.6DDF4B80][cid:image002@01cb4f66.6ddf4b80]

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com<mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:49 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

What do you understand that model to be?

-sc

From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com<mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:15 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Not to start a flame war or anything, but I was under the impression that Mac 
OS/X was significantly *more* secure than a comparable Windows machine, due to 
the *nix security model? Asking for information here, trying to learn, not 
trying to start  a Mac Vs. Windows thread (there are enough of those, that I 
don’t need to start one! )


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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steve Hanna]

Awww I'm out of popcorn already...

  -Original Message-
  From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:41 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix


  If you accept/trust the advice on this list, why do you cling to your
ill-founded assertion in the face of all the evidence to the contrary?



  On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:

The fact that it was darn difficult to do much of anything without admin
privileges? IMHO, Windows XP was the first full 32-bit O/S designed as a
“desktop OS”.







From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:15 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix




And what, exactly, made Windows 2000 Workstation more of a "server" O/S?


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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:

Strictly NT. Windows 2000 was much more “user friendly” but was, IMO,
more of a “server” O/S, even W2K Workstation.







From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:23 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix



Funny, it was my user OS since pre-beta.



Are you speaking of the NT “family”, or strictly the versions of the
same codebase named “NT”?



-sc



From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:29 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix



True… but NT was not a “user” operating system. J







From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:27 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix



This is only one, tiny, aspect of implementing a security model (reading
Windows Internals by Russinovich/Solomon is highly recommended).



That said, Windows NT has had the same model since the first released
version (v3.1 back in 1993)



Cheers

Ken



From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:13 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix



Basically, that users are not admins and that everything runs in
“userspace” unless specifically run as an admin, including installation of
software.







From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:49 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix



What do you understand that model to be?



-sc



From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:15 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix



Not to start a flame war or anything, but I was under the impression
that Mac OS/X was significantly *more* secure than a comparable Windows
machine, due to the *nix security model? Asking for information here, trying
to learn, not trying to start  a Mac Vs. Windows thread (there are enough of
those, that I don’t need to start one! )



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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Jonathan Link]

If you accept/trust the advice on this list, why do you cling to your
ill-founded assertion in the face of all the evidence to the contrary?



On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  The fact that it was darn difficult to do much of anything without admin
> privileges? IMHO, Windows XP was the first full 32-bit O/S designed as a
> “desktop OS”.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:15 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> And what, exactly, made Windows 2000 Workstation more of a "server" O/S?
>
>
> *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker>
> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
> * *
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> Strictly NT. Windows 2000 was much more “user friendly” but was, IMO, more
> of a “server” O/S, even W2K Workstation.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:23 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Funny, it was my user OS since pre-beta.
>
>
>
> Are you speaking of the NT “family”, or strictly the versions of the same
> codebase named “NT”?
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:29 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> True… but NT was not a “user” operating system. J
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:27 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> This is only one, tiny, aspect of implementing a security model (reading
> Windows Internals by Russinovich/Solomon is highly recommended).
>
>
>
> That said, Windows NT has had the same model since the first released
> version (v3.1 back in 1993)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Basically, that users are not admins and that everything runs in
> “userspace” unless specifically run as an admin, including installation of
> software.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:49 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> What do you understand that model to be?
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:15 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Not to start a flame war or anything, but I was under the impression that
> Mac OS/X was significantly **more* *secure than a comparable Windows
> machine, due to the *nix security model? Asking for information here, trying
> to learn, not trying to start  a Mac Vs. Windows thread (there are enough of
> those, that I don’t need to start one! )
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
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>
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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Maglinger, Paul]

And never accept money from yourself.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I'm hard to get with myself.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

C'mon... everybody does it.

 

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

I'm hard to get with myself.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

C'mon... everybody does it.

 

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

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And what, exactly, made Windows 2000 Workstation more of a "server" O/S?


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* *
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  Strictly NT. Windows 2000 was much more “user friendly” but was, IMO,
> more of a “server” O/S, even W2K Workstation.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:23 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Funny, it was my user OS since pre-beta.
>
>
>
> Are you speaking of the NT “family”, or strictly the versions of the same
> codebase named “NT”?
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:29 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> True… but NT was not a “user” operating system. J
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:27 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> This is only one, tiny, aspect of implementing a security model (reading
> Windows Internals by Russinovich/Solomon is highly recommended).
>
>
>
> That said, Windows NT has had the same model since the first released
> version (v3.1 back in 1993)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:13 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Basically, that users are not admins and that everything runs in
> “userspace” unless specifically run as an admin, including installation of
> software.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:49 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> What do you understand that model to be?
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:15 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Not to start a flame war or anything, but I was under the impression that
> Mac OS/X was significantly **more* *secure than a comparable Windows
> machine, due to the *nix security model? Asking for information here, trying
> to learn, not trying to start  a Mac Vs. Windows thread (there are enough of
> those, that I don’t need to start one! )
>

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Andrew S. Baker]

How does the way applications have been written, but developers who insist
on developing code with full rights, prevent you from comparing the security
models of *nix and Windows?

A model is a model is a model, and the wrong permissions will break an app
not prepared to deal with the wrong permissions.  These are two separate
issues.


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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Mayo, Bill  wrote:

>  I agree that NT was a user operating system.  However, the real point is
> that, at least as of Windows XP, a whole lot of "user" programs just plain
> didn't work if you logged on as a regular user.  Therefore, people were
> trained to run with higher permissions to be able to get anything done.  I
> can't tell you how many times I have been told by a sofware vendor, "It
> works fine if you log on as administrator."  To get around these problems,
> you either have to do as suggested, or use various tools/auditing to try and
> figure out what was being blocked and work around it.  Therefore, I don't
> think you can realistically compare the security model of *nix to NT.
>
> Bill Mayo
>
>  --
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:26 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
>  I was under the impression that NT4 workstation was for users, business
> users and 9x was for home, and small peer to peer networks. The company I
> worked for at the time didn't have any 9x machines but maybe that was
> because they are an engineering firm.
>
> James
>
> - Original Message -----
> *From:* John Aldrich 
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:28 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>  True… but NT was not a “user” operating system. J
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:27 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> This is only one, tiny, aspect of implementing a security model (reading
> Windows Internals by Russinovich/Solomon is highly recommended).
>
>
>
> That said, Windows NT has had the same model since the first released
> version (v3.1 back in 1993)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:13 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Basically, that users are not admins and that everything runs in
> “userspace” unless specifically run as an admin, including installation of
> software.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> What do you understand that model to be?
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:15 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Not to start a flame war or anything, but I was under the impression that
> Mac OS/X was significantly **more* *secure than a comparable Windows
> machine, due to the *nix security model? Asking for information here, trying
> to learn, not trying to start  a Mac Vs. Windows thread (there are enough of
> those, that I don’t need to start one! )
>
>

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Ziots, Edward]

Yep same, MCSE in 4.0 MCSA 2000, nothing for 2k3, prolly nadda for
Win2k8. 

 

But I have to say I am liking SQL 2005/SQL 2008, maybe enough to study
for the MCITP in SQL 2005/2008 accordingly. 

 

Also quick question about IIS 7.0. 

 

I am reading the IIS 7 Implementation and Administration by John Paul
Mueller and he is saying that you need to install SQL on your IIS
instances to be able to use the advanced features. Is this true ( Ken?).
Is there not a way to point each of your IIS Instances to a SQL server
accordingly, and do it that way. Usually like to keep the foot-print of
a IIS Server small and to the point, IIS with its installation out the
box is pretty good about that but the requirement to use SQL ( even SQL
express) doesn't really make me very happy from an implementation,
design standpoint and it would get even messier dealing with IIS/SQL on
the same box, more surface area to secure, just to make a IIS 7.0 work? 

 

Any ideas from the adopters of IIS 7.0 in their organization at this
moment? 



EZ

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

SQL Server 6.0/6.5 was a whole different kettle of fish to 7.0

 

Ken Schaefer

Architect | CTO Office | SOEasy Program

Microsoft MVP (Windows Server - IIS)

MCITP (EA, SA), MCTS (ISA, SQL Server, Hyper-V, Ops Manager, MOSS),
MCSE+Security, MCDBA

Mobile: +65 82485156 (SG) | +61 412 529 449 (AU)

 

HP Enterprise Services

Level 3, Block C, Jackson Square, 11 Lorong 3, 

Toa Payoh, Singapore, 319759

 

 

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

+1

 

And I was a "Microsoft Certified SQL 7.0 Administrator".

 

Now, I can barely spell SQL.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Ditto on that. Got my first MCSE doing the NT 4 track.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

Also the US Military standardized on NT workstation back in the mid
90's, IIRC.  I joined this list, mainly because I was using and
deploying NT as a workstation back in '97.

 

Just because it wasn't done by someone you know doesn't mean it wasn't
done at all.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:05 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:

NT was never adopted as an end-user operating system, at least not by
anyone I know. It was primarily used as a server O/S except for a few
specialized situations. Granted, in my previous career, I did use an
NT-based video editing workstation, but most people I know used Win9x
and it's successors until Microsoft finally got smart and forced
everyone to move to an O/S with a separate admin and user workspace
(started with XP, and improved in Vista and even more in Win7.)

A "user" O/S I define as what you'd find in most workspaces... i.e.
end-user workstations. I'm just happy that Microsoft finally got with
the program and stopped letting users run as the local admin by default.

 

 

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>**NT was never adopted as an end-user operating system, at least not by
anyone I know*

You need a larger circle of friends.


*>>** I’m just happy that Microsoft finally got with the program and stopped
letting users run as the local admin by default.*

Your frame of reference needs recalibrating.

If you're talking home users, then all OSes allow you to make a choice about
what level of rights you're going to have on an ongoing basis.

In a corporate setting, which is where the bulk of this discussion has been,
domain users are not automatically admins of any 32-bit Windows system by
default.


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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:05 AM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  NT was never adopted as an end-user operating system, at least not by
> anyone I know. It was primarily used as a server O/S except for a few
> specialized situations. Granted, in my previous career, I did use an
> NT-based video editing workstation, but most people I know used Win9x and
> it’s successors until Microsoft finally got smart and forced everyone to
> move to an O/S with a separate admin and user workspace (started with XP,
> and improved in Vista and even more in Win7.)
>
> A “user” O/S I define as what you’d find in most workspaces… i.e. end-user
> workstations. I’m just happy that Microsoft finally got with the program and
> stopped letting users run as the local admin by default.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:43 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Yes, it was NT Workstation and NT Server were separate products.
>
> I deployed NT Workstation 3.51 and NT Workstation 4.0 many times.  Was it
> missing some stuff?  USB support was the biggest around the NT 4.0 time
> frame.  But it was a solid OS and had vastly superiour stability to Win3.1
> compared to NT 3.51 or Win9x compared to NT 4.0.
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> True… but NT was not a “user” operating system. J
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:27 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> This is only one, tiny, aspect of implementing a security model (reading
> Windows Internals by Russinovich/Solomon is highly recommended).
>
>
>
> That said, Windows NT has had the same model since the first released
> version (v3.1 back in 1993)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:13 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Basically, that users are not admins and that everything runs in
> “userspace” unless specifically run as an admin, including installation of
> software.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:49 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> What do you understand that model to be?
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:15 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Not to start a flame war or anything, but I was under the impression that
> Mac OS/X was significantly **more* *secure than a comparable Windows
> machine, due to the *nix security model? Asking for information here, trying
> to learn, not trying to start  a Mac Vs. Windows thread (there are enough of
> those, that I don’t need to start one! )
>

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Re: Mac and Windows mix

[Andrew S. Baker]

Then who was using it?  Robots?

I've been running NT since v3.5  (I played with a 3.1 installation for a
while, but it was mainly on our servers).


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On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  True… but NT was not a “user” operating system. J
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 10:27 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> This is only one, tiny, aspect of implementing a security model (reading
> Windows Internals by Russinovich/Solomon is highly recommended).
>
>
>
> That said, Windows NT has had the same model since the first released
> version (v3.1 back in 1993)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 8 September 2010 10:13 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Basically, that users are not admins and that everything runs in
> “userspace” unless specifically run as an admin, including installation of
> software.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> What do you understand that model to be?
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:15 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Mac and Windows mix
>
>
>
> Not to start a flame war or anything, but I was under the impression that
> Mac OS/X was significantly **more* *secure than a comparable Windows
> machine, due to the *nix security model? Asking for information here, trying
> to learn, not trying to start  a Mac Vs. Windows thread (there are enough of
> those, that I don’t need to start one! )
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Perception_2]
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Maglinger, Paul]

And remember to be coy with yourself.  And bring home flowers.

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

C'mon... everybody does it.

 

I just buy myself a nice dinner first.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Mac and Windows mix

 

You date yourself?!?!?  Interesting place to come out...

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Steven M. Caesare 
wrote:

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Michael B. Smith]

Ahhh. S&H Green Stamps. Those were the days.

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Wow:

Mrs. Smith: [about her prostitution] Sometimes I do it for pudding.
Andy Shook: Sometimes I do it *in* pudding.
Mrs. Smith: Sometimes I do it for green stamps. And sometimes I do it just for 
kicks.
Bull Shannon: [to Roz] Can you imagine degrading yourself for green stamps?
Andy Shook: Sure. By now I would have enough for that sail boat.

-sc

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0660573/quotes

Shook

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And I can proudly say I have _NO_ idea what you are talking about.

Freak.

-sc

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

I thought your thing was pudding like that old lady in the retirement village 
on Night Court.  I'm now officially scared that that was the first thing that 
popped into my head.

Shook

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

You have NO idea.

What I once did for a ketchup packet I won't mention here.

-sc

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And I hear you're a really cheap date.

Shook

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

+1

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by either 
the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you can(could) run 
UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel. (And OS/2 as well, but 
I'm dating myself).

-sc

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security model. 
In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user" versus 
"administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix permissions. 
And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.

Cheers
Ken

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security model of 
*nix to NT.

Bill Mayo



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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

Wow:

 

Mrs. Smith: [about her prostitution] Sometimes I do it for pudding. 

Andy Shook: Sometimes I do it *in* pudding. 

Mrs. Smith: Sometimes I do it for green stamps. And sometimes I do it
just for kicks. 

Bull Shannon: [to Roz] Can you imagine degrading yourself for green
stamps? 

Andy Shook: Sure. By now I would have enough for that sail boat.

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0660573/quotes 

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And I can proudly say I have _NO_ idea what you are talking about.

 

Freak.

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I thought your thing was pudding like that old lady in the retirement
village on Night Court.  I'm now officially scared that that was the
first thing that popped into my head. 

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

You have NO idea.

 

What I once did for a ketchup packet I won't mention here.

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And I hear you're a really cheap date.  

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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or s

RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Andy Shook]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0660573/quotes

Shook

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And I can proudly say I have _NO_ idea what you are talking about.

Freak.

-sc

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

I thought your thing was pudding like that old lady in the retirement village 
on Night Court.  I'm now officially scared that that was the first thing that 
popped into my head.

Shook

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

You have NO idea.

What I once did for a ketchup packet I won't mention here.

-sc

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

And I hear you're a really cheap date.

Shook

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

+1

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by either 
the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you can(could) run 
UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel. (And OS/2 as well, but 
I'm dating myself).

-sc

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security model. 
In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user" versus 
"administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix permissions. 
And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.

Cheers
Ken

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security model of 
*nix to NT.

Bill Mayo



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RE: Mac and Windows mix

[Steven M. Caesare]

And I can proudly say I have _NO_ idea what you are talking about.

 

Freak.

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

I thought your thing was pudding like that old lady in the retirement
village on Night Court.  I'm now officially scared that that was the
first thing that popped into my head. 

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

You have NO idea.

 

What I once did for a ketchup packet I won't mention here.

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

And I hear you're a really cheap date.  

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

+1

 

And user rights assignments. And granularity for ACL's.

 

The NT executive kernel supports a superset of the primitives needed by
either the Win32 protected mode subsystem, or UNIX. This is why you
can(could) run UNIX or Win32 processes atop the same underlying kernel.
(And OS/2 as well, but I'm dating myself).

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

User vs Administrator privileges are only one small part of a security
model. In fact, Windows has many individual security rights, so "user"
versus "administrator" is a somewhat pointless comparison.

 

How do you ACL files, ports, threads, memory?

 

How do processes protect themselves from other processes?

 

The typical NTFS file ACLs are far more granular than typical *Nix
permissions. And that's just the DACLs, not including the SACLs.


Cheers

Ken

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2010 11:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix

 

Therefore, I don't think you can realistically compare the security
model of *nix to NT.

 

Bill Mayo

 

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