RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
*should*. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? It's the same level of complexity of doing an in-VM backup using normal tools. You can't just restore two SQL Servers that are mirrored or replication partners using native tools and expect the mirroring to work. In either case, the operator should have a detailed run book that details each step to be followed. In that case, there is no complexity beyond reading a document and following instructions. The complexity is in developing the thoroughly tested operations guide in the first place. Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Yes, that would work - but again, it's an additional level of complexity. You could do it. I could do it. Most of the admins for my clients could not do it properly, except by pure luck. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? How would this impact SQL Servers - they tend to be independent of each other. For those that are connected (replication/mirroring/log ship) you could restore the master, then manually set up the replication in the event of a real disaster (everything's gone) Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
Ah, SBS is all I really care about as far as this discussion goes, but it makes sense about the non-SBS multi-server environments. However, in those environments it's the DC's and Exchange servers that are the primary concern right? What about SQL? I can't imagine a web or file/print server is a big deal, although by definition they are usually simpler to restore from backup anyhow... -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Yes. If you restore an old VHD you WILL break stuff. Not maybe. Not sometimes. Not rarely. You WILL. The only exceptions are single server solutions like SBS. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Even with VSS it's scary? -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? I backup the virtual machines from within themselves. Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. And will be even more so with other server roles in Win8. So... there be a method to my madness. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I backup the root of all my VMs to a NAS and then backup each VM to the NAS. Do you backup the virtual disk files themselves (running the backup on the root/host), or do you backup the files from within the guest (as if the guest was just another network node)? The later is the direction I'm leaning in -- it's how we do things with our physical servers anyway. But it seems like backing up the virtual disk files would also be useful, for recovery from OS corruption, disaster scenarios, etc. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
I use VSS on the Hyper-V host to back up the guest VM's, I simply back up the entire logical disk the VM's live on. In addition, I have a backup agent on each VM that backs up system state and files (and those go to an Internet-based backup provider). This makes me wonder...if I have SBS 2008 w/ Premium add-on and I am using a backup tool on the host (but no other features like file/print/DHCP etc) am I in violation of the licensing even if the only thin I am backing up is the local VM's? The info I have says ..only run it to provide hardware virtualization services and run software to manage the service... so I'm guessing technically that's not allowed and I would have to pony up for another 2008 R2 standard license, correct? Dave -Original Message- From: Jay Kulsh [mailto:jayku...@csi.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? David, Is there a non-scary way to do backup of VM? I thought VSS was most trustworthy. Thanks. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
On Feb 2, 2012 12:32 AM, Jay Kulsh jayku...@csi.com wrote: Terry, I think you are backing up your VMs from the host machine which is Windows 2008 R2. Right? Even with command-line of OBadmin, it is my understanding that you need to backup all VMs and entire partions where their files are. Is there option to backup individual VMs with command line of OBAdmin in R2? (I am using 2008 host without R2.) Thanks. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
Windows Backup can also send email notifications. I'm in the process of setting this up now. Mike -Original Message- From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Wbadmin Start backup -backuptarget:\\targetbackupserver\targetshare -Include:c:,E:,f: -vssfull -allCritical -noinheritacl -quiet -user:domain\username -Password:userpassword OK I took out specific info, but this is the command I use to backup many of our servers. I choose this one because you can see it has multiple drives. This server is running Server 2008 R2, however the same command works on 2008. I would suggest after you set it up to try a restore to verify everything is working fine. That is exactly what we have done. The biggest problem is that everytime you run it, you overwrite the old backup so you only have the latest backup. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
SQL is an issue. File servers are if DFS is involved. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Ah, SBS is all I really care about as far as this discussion goes, but it makes sense about the non-SBS multi-server environments. However, in those environments it's the DC's and Exchange servers that are the primary concern right? What about SQL? I can't imagine a web or file/print server is a big deal, although by definition they are usually simpler to restore from backup anyhow... -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Yes. If you restore an old VHD you WILL break stuff. Not maybe. Not sometimes. Not rarely. You WILL. The only exceptions are single server solutions like SBS. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Even with VSS it's scary? -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? I backup the virtual machines from within themselves. Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. And will be even more so with other server roles in Win8. So... there be a method to my madness. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I backup the root of all my VMs to a NAS and then backup each VM to the NAS. Do you backup the virtual disk files themselves (running the backup on the root/host), or do you backup the files from within the guest (as if the guest was just another network node)? The later is the direction I'm leaning in -- it's how we do things with our physical servers anyway. But it seems like backing up the virtual disk files would also be useful, for recovery from OS corruption, disaster scenarios, etc. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
Still curious - what is the issue with SQL Servers? -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Saturday, 4 February 2012 6:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? SQL is an issue. File servers are if DFS is involved. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Ah, SBS is all I really care about as far as this discussion goes, but it makes sense about the non-SBS multi-server environments. However, in those environments it's the DC's and Exchange servers that are the primary concern right? What about SQL? I can't imagine a web or file/print server is a big deal, although by definition they are usually simpler to restore from backup anyhow... -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Yes. If you restore an old VHD you WILL break stuff. Not maybe. Not sometimes. Not rarely. You WILL. The only exceptions are single server solutions like SBS. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Even with VSS it's scary? -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? I backup the virtual machines from within themselves. Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. And will be even more so with other server roles in Win8. So... there be a method to my madness. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I backup the root of all my VMs to a NAS and then backup each VM to the NAS. Do you backup the virtual disk files themselves (running the backup on the root/host), or do you backup the files from within the guest (as if the guest was just another network node)? The later is the direction I'm leaning in -- it's how we do things with our physical servers anyway. But it seems like backing up the virtual disk files would also be useful, for recovery from OS corruption, disaster scenarios, etc. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
Wbadmin Start backup -backuptarget:\\targetbackupserver\targetshare -Include:c:,E:,f: -vssfull -allCritical -noinheritacl -quiet -user:domain\username -Password:userpassword OK I took out specific info, but this is the command I use to backup many of our servers. I choose this one because you can see it has multiple drives. This server is running Server 2008 R2, however the same command works on 2008. I would suggest after you set it up to try a restore to verify everything is working fine. That is exactly what we have done. The biggest problem is that everytime you run it, you overwrite the old backup so you only have the latest backup. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
Terry, Thanks for the WBadmin command line entry. About The biggest problem is that everytime you run it, you overwrite the old backup so you only have the latest backup. -- this is so only because your target is a remote share. A local drive can keep versions. I think your -AllCritical switch backs up all VMs. There is no option to select just one. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
If you don't want it to backup to local drives you could run the backup from a script and after it finishes to move the backup to a certain subfolder. Shouldn't be too hard to do in powershell or even a batchfile. René On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Jay Kulsh jayku...@csi.com wrote: Terry, Thanks for the WBadmin command line entry. About The biggest problem is that everytime you run it, you overwrite the old backup so you only have the latest backup. -- this is so only because your target is a remote share. A local drive can keep versions. I think your -AllCritical switch backs up all VMs. There is no option to select just one. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
I backup the root of all my VMs to a NAS and then backup each VM to the NAS. Then I run a script that compresses and renames each backup (datestamps it). Then I run a script that deletes backups more than 30 days old. All in PowerShell. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jay Kulsh [mailto:jayku...@csi.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Terry, Thanks for the WBadmin command line entry. About The biggest problem is that everytime you run it, you overwrite the old backup so you only have the latest backup. -- this is so only because your target is a remote share. A local drive can keep versions. I think your -AllCritical switch backs up all VMs. There is no option to select just one. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
Michael, Can you share the commands? Thanks. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
Rene, That would work only if you have an extra local disk with enough space to contain the backup. This extra disk cannot be part of allCritical disks, obviously. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I backup the root of all my VMs to a NAS and then backup each VM to the NAS. Do you backup the virtual disk files themselves (running the backup on the root/host), or do you backup the files from within the guest (as if the guest was just another network node)? The later is the direction I'm leaning in -- it's how we do things with our physical servers anyway. But it seems like backing up the virtual disk files would also be useful, for recovery from OS corruption, disaster scenarios, etc. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
It's not a single command. :-) It's a suite of commands. :-) Tell you what - I'll sanitize it and do a blog post on it tonight. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jay Kulsh [mailto:jayku...@csi.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Michael, Can you share the commands? Thanks. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
I backup the virtual machines from within themselves. Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. And will be even more so with other server roles in Win8. So... there be a method to my madness. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I backup the root of all my VMs to a NAS and then backup each VM to the NAS. Do you backup the virtual disk files themselves (running the backup on the root/host), or do you backup the files from within the guest (as if the guest was just another network node)? The later is the direction I'm leaning in -- it's how we do things with our physical servers anyway. But it seems like backing up the virtual disk files would also be useful, for recovery from OS corruption, disaster scenarios, etc. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
Even with VSS it's scary? -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? I backup the virtual machines from within themselves. Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. And will be even more so with other server roles in Win8. So... there be a method to my madness. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I backup the root of all my VMs to a NAS and then backup each VM to the NAS. Do you backup the virtual disk files themselves (running the backup on the root/host), or do you backup the files from within the guest (as if the guest was just another network node)? The later is the direction I'm leaning in -- it's how we do things with our physical servers anyway. But it seems like backing up the virtual disk files would also be useful, for recovery from OS corruption, disaster scenarios, etc. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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David, Is there a non-scary way to do backup of VM? I thought VSS was most trustworthy. Thanks. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Brien Posey did a nice little webinar yesterday on backing up hyper V, some nice tips. http://go.veeam.com/webinar-02012012-posey-best-practices-for-hyper-v-backup-recovery-planning.html. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Jay Kulsh [mailto:jayku...@csi.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 05:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? David, Is there a non-scary way to do backup of VM? I thought VSS was most trustworthy. Thanks. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
nice -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? It's not a single command. :-) It's a suite of commands. :-) Tell you what - I'll sanitize it and do a blog post on it tonight. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jay Kulsh [mailto:jayku...@csi.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Michael, Can you share the commands? Thanks. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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You CAN use VSS. But I'm suggesting you do it from INSIDE the VM, not from OUTSIDE. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Jay Kulsh [mailto:jayku...@csi.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? David, Is there a non-scary way to do backup of VM? I thought VSS was most trustworthy. Thanks. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Yes. If you restore an old VHD you WILL break stuff. Not maybe. Not sometimes. Not rarely. You WILL. The only exceptions are single server solutions like SBS. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Even with VSS it's scary? -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? I backup the virtual machines from within themselves. Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. And will be even more so with other server roles in Win8. So... there be a method to my madness. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I backup the root of all my VMs to a NAS and then backup each VM to the NAS. Do you backup the virtual disk files themselves (running the backup on the root/host), or do you backup the files from within the guest (as if the guest was just another network node)? The later is the direction I'm leaning in -- it's how we do things with our physical servers anyway. But it seems like backing up the virtual disk files would also be useful, for recovery from OS corruption, disaster scenarios, etc. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) That's certainly a nasty possibility... but isn't that mostly a problem with, shall we say, inappropriate restores? If it's an actual disaster and all the VMs have gone up in smoke, would restoring them to point-in-time be safe? I guess that wouldn't be so straight-forward in a larger org, but we're currently just one site. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:35 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? . Even with VSS it's scary? My understanding of the problem is: It's not the backup, it's the restore. Every change to AD gets stamped with a USN (Update Sequence Number). Say you've got two DCs, FOO and BAR. Both DCs commit and replicate changes to AD, tracking with their USNs. Say FOO explodes and you restore it to an earlier point in time. Now FOO's USN counter is rolled back to an earlier value, and will start replicating changes using that earlier value. But BAR has *different* changes committed with those *same* USNs, from after the previous backup was done. Duplicate USNs are bad. As in, Don't cross the streams bad. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Yes. If you restore an old VHD you WILL break stuff. Not maybe. Not sometimes. Not rarely. You WILL. crosses direct VHD backups off my list of things to examine Thanks for the advice. Your knowledge and experience are invaluable to this forum. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
In my experience - if you HAVE an inappropriate backup, in an emergency, you will be tempted to use it. If you have more than a single DC/GC - then you are potentially a victim of this. If you have more than a single Exchange server - then you are potentially a victim of this. If you have more than a single SQL server - then you are potentially a victim of this. In Win8 - there are even more scenarios (think DHCP availability groups) that can lead to problems with this scenario. Just don't do it, is my advice. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) That's certainly a nasty possibility... but isn't that mostly a problem with, shall we say, inappropriate restores? If it's an actual disaster and all the VMs have gone up in smoke, would restoring them to point-in-time be safe? I guess that wouldn't be so straight-forward in a larger org, but we're currently just one site. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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With DC names like that one should definitely ensure they have a good backup strategy in place. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 9:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:35 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? . Even with VSS it's scary? My understanding of the problem is: It's not the backup, it's the restore. Every change to AD gets stamped with a USN (Update Sequence Number). Say you've got two DCs, FOO and BAR. Both DCs commit and replicate changes to AD, tracking with their USNs. Say FOO explodes and you restore it to an earlier point in time. Now FOO's USN counter is rolled back to an earlier value, and will start replicating changes using that earlier value. But BAR has *different* changes committed with those *same* USNs, from after the previous backup was done. Duplicate USNs are bad. As in, Don't cross the streams bad. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
How would this impact SQL Servers - they tend to be independent of each other. For those that are connected (replication/mirroring/log ship) you could restore the master, then manually set up the replication in the event of a real disaster (everything's gone) Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 8:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? In my experience - if you HAVE an inappropriate backup, in an emergency, you will be tempted to use it. If you have more than a single DC/GC - then you are potentially a victim of this. If you have more than a single Exchange server - then you are potentially a victim of this. If you have more than a single SQL server - then you are potentially a victim of this. In Win8 - there are even more scenarios (think DHCP availability groups) that can lead to problems with this scenario. Just don't do it, is my advice. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) That's certainly a nasty possibility... but isn't that mostly a problem with, shall we say, inappropriate restores? If it's an actual disaster and all the VMs have gone up in smoke, would restoring them to point-in-time be safe? I guess that wouldn't be so straight-forward in a larger org, but we're currently just one site. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Yes, that would work - but again, it's an additional level of complexity. You could do it. I could do it. Most of the admins for my clients could not do it properly, except by pure luck. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? How would this impact SQL Servers - they tend to be independent of each other. For those that are connected (replication/mirroring/log ship) you could restore the master, then manually set up the replication in the event of a real disaster (everything's gone) Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 8:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? In my experience - if you HAVE an inappropriate backup, in an emergency, you will be tempted to use it. If you have more than a single DC/GC - then you are potentially a victim of this. If you have more than a single Exchange server - then you are potentially a victim of this. If you have more than a single SQL server - then you are potentially a victim of this. In Win8 - there are even more scenarios (think DHCP availability groups) that can lead to problems with this scenario. Just don't do it, is my advice. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Backing up vhd's is easily doable, but DR using backed up vhd's is scary with AD, SQL, and Exchange*. * Can you say USN rollback, or SN rollback, or anything similar? ... I knew you could. :-) That's certainly a nasty possibility... but isn't that mostly a problem with, shall we say, inappropriate restores? If it's an actual disaster and all the VMs have gone up in smoke, would restoring them to point-in-time be safe? I guess that wouldn't be so straight-forward in a larger org, but we're currently just one site. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
It's the same level of complexity of doing an in-VM backup using normal tools. You can't just restore two SQL Servers that are mirrored or replication partners using native tools and expect the mirroring to work. In either case, the operator should have a detailed run book that details each step to be followed. In that case, there is no complexity beyond reading a document and following instructions. The complexity is in developing the thoroughly tested operations guide in the first place. Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 11:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? Yes, that would work - but again, it's an additional level of complexity. You could do it. I could do it. Most of the admins for my clients could not do it properly, except by pure luck. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? How would this impact SQL Servers - they tend to be independent of each other. For those that are connected (replication/mirroring/log ship) you could restore the master, then manually set up the replication in the event of a real disaster (everything's gone) Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
If my WBadmin you mean native Windows 2008 backup, I use effectively that to back up my VM's. I use a product called BackupAssist which is basically a more flexible front-end. I point the files to an eSATA RAID attached to the same machine and a NAS that's in a different building. -Original Message- From: Jay Kulsh [mailto:jayku...@csi.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up? After reading numerous articles, it seems to me that there may be 5 ways of backing up a Microsoft VM: 1. Doing an on-line backup using a VSS-aware software like Microsoft's SCVMM or Altaro, etc. 2. Doing an on-line backup from the host machine, of all VMs, of all critical disks, using built-in WBadmin. (Many conditions must be met for this to work, but they are doable in most cases.) 3. Saving the VM (not quite stopping it, but neither is VM on-line; perhaps we can think that VM is in sleep mode.) 4. Exporting a VM after stopping it. 5. Copying VHD file (along with XML BIN files?) after stopping it. Where am I wrong here? May be some of these methods should not be characterized as backups. Of the valid methods, which is most reliable and which is most easy to accomplish? Thanks. Jay Kulsh So. Pasadena, CA 93063 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Microsoft VM - 5 ways of backing up?
If you have moved to 2008 R2 the backup is pretty great. We have some scheduled straight out of the GUI Interface, and Many scheduled with command line and task scheduler. The Command line is more flexible and you can setup up multiple instances, where the GUI is limited to only one job. We backup most of our VM's to onsite and offsite storage weekly. Once you set them up just check in once in a while and make sure that are no errors like space issues you are good. There are also many software vendors that have a solution, but I have not tried them yet. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Terry, I think you are backing up your VMs from the host machine which is Windows 2008 R2. Right? Even with command-line of OBadmin, it is my understanding that you need to backup all VMs and entire partions where their files are. Is there option to backup individual VMs with command line of OBAdmin in R2? (I am using 2008 host without R2.) Thanks. Jay ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
