RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Heh...   it isn't jacksnuts its jacknuts..jacknuts!  heh

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Now this is controversial...

http://www.jacksnuts.net/

HOTTEST NUTS IN TOWNWoooHo!!
 

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Of course JackNuts Tom..

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Would you like some grits with that?
 

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Well I finally settled on and ordered Cisco 3560/48 10/100/1000 powered.
I decided to stick with the brand ive been using for 8 years now.  The
funds became available so I grabbed them right away.


Thanks again for the interesting conversation and debates

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

On Feb 1, 2008 2:11 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  That might work in a small shop, doesn't work in shops with 18
locations,
> 100's of server and 100's of network devices...

  Nope, it wouldn't.  I never said it would.  I said it was nice to
have the feature for small shops.  :-)  HP does provide something
called "ProCurve Manager", which is some kind of big shop,
Windows-based management server thing.  There's a base version which
is free, and a "Plus" version which costs extra.  I haven't had need
to try either yet.  I've been content with the built-in stuff and MRTG
so far.  It's on my to-do list, but things go on to my to-do list
faster than they come off.  Near the top of my to-do list is "hire
more staff".  :-)

-- Ben

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tom Strader]

Now this is controversial...

http://www.jacksnuts.net/

HOTTEST NUTS IN TOWNWoooHo!!
 

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Of course JackNuts Tom..

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Would you like some grits with that?
 

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Well I finally settled on and ordered Cisco 3560/48 10/100/1000 powered.
I decided to stick with the brand ive been using for 8 years now.  The
funds became available so I grabbed them right away.


Thanks again for the interesting conversation and debates

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

On Feb 1, 2008 2:11 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  That might work in a small shop, doesn't work in shops with 18
locations,
> 100's of server and 100's of network devices...

  Nope, it wouldn't.  I never said it would.  I said it was nice to
have the feature for small shops.  :-)  HP does provide something
called "ProCurve Manager", which is some kind of big shop,
Windows-based management server thing.  There's a base version which
is free, and a "Plus" version which costs extra.  I haven't had need
to try either yet.  I've been content with the built-in stuff and MRTG
so far.  It's on my to-do list, but things go on to my to-do list
faster than they come off.  Near the top of my to-do list is "hire
more staff".  :-)

-- Ben

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~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Of course JackNuts Tom..

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Would you like some grits with that?
 

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Well I finally settled on and ordered Cisco 3560/48 10/100/1000 powered.
I decided to stick with the brand ive been using for 8 years now.  The
funds became available so I grabbed them right away.


Thanks again for the interesting conversation and debates

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

On Feb 1, 2008 2:11 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  That might work in a small shop, doesn't work in shops with 18
locations,
> 100's of server and 100's of network devices...

  Nope, it wouldn't.  I never said it would.  I said it was nice to
have the feature for small shops.  :-)  HP does provide something
called "ProCurve Manager", which is some kind of big shop,
Windows-based management server thing.  There's a base version which
is free, and a "Plus" version which costs extra.  I haven't had need
to try either yet.  I've been content with the built-in stuff and MRTG
so far.  It's on my to-do list, but things go on to my to-do list
faster than they come off.  Near the top of my to-do list is "hire
more staff".  :-)

-- Ben

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tom Strader]

Would you like some grits with that?
 

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Well I finally settled on and ordered Cisco 3560/48 10/100/1000 powered.
I decided to stick with the brand ive been using for 8 years now.  The
funds became available so I grabbed them right away.


Thanks again for the interesting conversation and debates

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

On Feb 1, 2008 2:11 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  That might work in a small shop, doesn't work in shops with 18
locations,
> 100's of server and 100's of network devices...

  Nope, it wouldn't.  I never said it would.  I said it was nice to
have the feature for small shops.  :-)  HP does provide something
called "ProCurve Manager", which is some kind of big shop,
Windows-based management server thing.  There's a base version which
is free, and a "Plus" version which costs extra.  I haven't had need
to try either yet.  I've been content with the built-in stuff and MRTG
so far.  It's on my to-do list, but things go on to my to-do list
faster than they come off.  Near the top of my to-do list is "hire
more staff".  :-)

-- Ben

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Well I finally settled on and ordered Cisco 3560/48 10/100/1000 powered.
I decided to stick with the brand ive been using for 8 years now.  The
funds became available so I grabbed them right away.


Thanks again for the interesting conversation and debates

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

On Feb 1, 2008 2:11 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  That might work in a small shop, doesn't work in shops with 18
locations,
> 100's of server and 100's of network devices...

  Nope, it wouldn't.  I never said it would.  I said it was nice to
have the feature for small shops.  :-)  HP does provide something
called "ProCurve Manager", which is some kind of big shop,
Windows-based management server thing.  There's a base version which
is free, and a "Plus" version which costs extra.  I haven't had need
to try either yet.  I've been content with the built-in stuff and MRTG
so far.  It's on my to-do list, but things go on to my to-do list
faster than they come off.  Near the top of my to-do list is "hire
more staff".  :-)

-- Ben

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Ken Schaefer]

Some of us are skilled, but find it more efficient to tick a checkbox, than 
type stuff in manually. Especially if it's a one-off task. For repeatability or 
a known outcome - automation rules.

Cheers
Ken

From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 2:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...


Not everybody has a BIGHEAD like you Don to store all that information.


From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

GUI's are for the unskilled...
On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
applet was easy-peasy to use.

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook





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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Ben Scott]

On Feb 1, 2008 2:11 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  That might work in a small shop, doesn't work in shops with 18 locations,
> 100's of server and 100's of network devices...

  Nope, it wouldn't.  I never said it would.  I said it was nice to
have the feature for small shops.  :-)  HP does provide something
called "ProCurve Manager", which is some kind of big shop,
Windows-based management server thing.  There's a base version which
is free, and a "Plus" version which costs extra.  I haven't had need
to try either yet.  I've been content with the built-in stuff and MRTG
so far.  It's on my to-do list, but things go on to my to-do list
faster than they come off.  Near the top of my to-do list is "hire
more staff".  :-)

-- Ben

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tim Vander Kooi]

You shouldn't give Martin a hard time just because he likes to cuddle.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Cisco = TVK and SHOOK (scratch "for your phone system")


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Yup. If you are already in bed with Cisco for your phone system, you may
as
well go all the way.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

If you are using Call Manager stick with Cisco, the integration will be
well worth the cost and trial of doing it any other way.

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Does HP have POE switches?  We are rolling out Cisco Call Manager in the
Fall so I would like to have POE switches if possible.  I am a big Cisco
fan for their feature set etc. but im looking for cheaper alternatives
in case I get shot down for the Cisco pricing.


Thanks..

-Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.  

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: January-29-08 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> Price to functionality on the say 2800 series HP and equivalent Cisco
> you will get a better price/warranty from HP over Cisco any day.
> Cisco is good stuff, really good stuff.. but the cost of managing the
> Cisco, TAC agreement if you don't know, and the warranty as compared
to
> HP, always = better value for our shop to go HP.
> 
> I have had switches that are 6 years old have a bad port go bad and HP
> sends a refurb'd switch out next day.  And you don't even have to buy
a
> better warranty it comes with it.
> 
> Unless you can show me a specific feature I need not available on HP,
> that would be my only reason for going Cisco at this time.
> 
> Greg
> -----Original Message-
> From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:21 -0500
> MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr
> 
> MEJ> Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?
> 
> See earlier posts.  Again, we're talking low-end switches; I've not
run
> the bigger HPs.
> 
> HP: Never a problem with hardware or firmware over the years.
> 
> Cisco: IIRC was slower to offer SSHv2.
> 
> Cisco: Unless the 29xx now has things like 802.1x, HP gets the nod.
> 
> Cisco: Wicked problems with 5500 (yes, a while back) and "redundant"
> FEC aggregates.
> 
> Cisco: Some of my bias comes from nasty experiences on their router
> gear
> not living up to spec (think: special interim IOS release because of
> buggy MPLS code; not reaching near advertised forwarding rates with
a

Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

That might work in a small shop, doesn't work in shops with 18 locations,
100's of server and 100's of network devices...

On Feb 1, 2008 10:46 AM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Feb 1, 2008 1:35 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As for the pretty graphs, that is what my monitoring system is for...
>
>  Point was, this doesn't even need a separate monitoring system.
> It's all built-in to the switch -- monitoring, logging, self-diagnosis
> and alerting.  Especially for very small shops that only have one or
> two switches, that's a real nice thing to have.
>
> -- Ben
>
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>

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Ben Scott]

On Feb 1, 2008 1:35 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As for the pretty graphs, that is what my monitoring system is for...

  Point was, this doesn't even need a separate monitoring system.
It's all built-in to the switch -- monitoring, logging, self-diagnosis
and alerting.  Especially for very small shops that only have one or
two switches, that's a real nice thing to have.

-- Ben

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

I agree Don I love the CLI with IOS... what monitoring system do you
use?  Well I guess I don't love the CLI, but I prefer it over the GUI..

 



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

 


There's a GUI for everything these days though I wouldn't be caught dead
using it.  Primarily because I think I am too stupid to figure out how
the damn thing works.  As for the pretty graphs, that is what my
monitoring system is for...

On Feb 1, 2008 9:25 AM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Feb 1, 2008 10:43 AM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  GUI's are for the unskilled...

 I prefer a CLI for most things, but the web GUI in the HP switches
is useful for monitoring.  It shows real-time port status and traffic
utilization graphs.  I sometimes have several browser windows open on
one of my virtual desktops, each showing the switch status GUI.  Lets
me see the network's overall health at a glance.  With a CLI only
Catalyst, you *have* to run the separate management software to get
that.  (I dunno enough about Cisco's current product offerings to know
if they offer web GUIs standard now, but they didn't use to.)

-- Ben


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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

There's a GUI for everything these days though I wouldn't be caught dead
using it.  Primarily because I think I am too stupid to figure out how the
damn thing works.  As for the pretty graphs, that is what my monitoring
system is for...

On Feb 1, 2008 9:25 AM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Feb 1, 2008 10:43 AM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  GUI's are for the unskilled...
>
>  I prefer a CLI for most things, but the web GUI in the HP switches
> is useful for monitoring.  It shows real-time port status and traffic
> utilization graphs.  I sometimes have several browser windows open on
> one of my virtual desktops, each showing the switch status GUI.  Lets
> me see the network's overall health at a glance.  With a CLI only
> Catalyst, you *have* to run the separate management software to get
> that.  (I dunno enough about Cisco's current product offerings to know
> if they offer web GUIs standard now, but they didn't use to.)
>
> -- Ben
>
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>

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Ben Scott]

On Feb 1, 2008 10:43 AM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  GUI's are for the unskilled...

  I prefer a CLI for most things, but the web GUI in the HP switches
is useful for monitoring.  It shows real-time port status and traffic
utilization graphs.  I sometimes have several browser windows open on
one of my virtual desktops, each showing the switch status GUI.  Lets
me see the network's overall health at a glance.  With a CLI only
Catalyst, you *have* to run the separate management software to get
that.  (I dunno enough about Cisco's current product offerings to know
if they offer web GUIs standard now, but they didn't use to.)

-- Ben

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Andy Shook]

Very well played, Mr. Blackstone...

 

Shook



From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Then you should have no trouble gaining some of that knowledge while you
are there.

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Don stores it all a lil farther south than his head Tom.

 

From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Not everybody has a BIGHEAD like you Don to store all that information.

 



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...


GUI's are for the unskilled...

On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
applet was easy-peasy to use.

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook



 -Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tom Strader]

TMI Jonathan. I didn't need that scenario to think about on a Friday,
Yuck!
 



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...



Brings new meaning to the phrase knowledge dump.


On Feb 1, 2008 11:20 AM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



Then you should have no trouble gaining some of that knowledge
while you are there.

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:13 AM 

To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...





 

 

Don stores it all a lil farther south than his head Tom.

 

From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:51 AM 

To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...





 

 

Not everybody has a BIGHEAD like you Don to store all that
information.

 



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:43 AM 

To: NT System Admin Issues

    Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...




GUI's are for the unskilled...

On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these
discussions.  I've
used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have
enjoyed
great success with all the managed products.  When I was running
the IT
department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and
Dell in
all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a
rock
solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just
different
enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type
'sh
run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web
mgmt
applet was easy-peasy to use.

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook




 -Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
    To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured
right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's
default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.
An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the
Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section
of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had
any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on
how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new,
low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything
else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you
use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will
reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility
issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate
speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB
with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs,
FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw





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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Jonathan Link]

Brings new meaning to the phrase knowledge dump.

On Feb 1, 2008 11:20 AM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>  Then you should have no trouble gaining some of that knowledge while you
> are there.
>
>
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2008 8:13 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
> Don stores it all a lil farther south than his head Tom.
>
>
>
> *From:* Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2008 9:51 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
> *Not everybody has a BIGHEAD like you Don to store all that information.*
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2008 10:43 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
> GUI's are for the unskilled...
>
> On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
> used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
> great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
> department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
> all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
> solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
> enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
> run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
> applet was easy-peasy to use.
>
> Shook
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
> I use HP nearly all the time now.
>
> While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
> implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
> expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
> configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
> box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
> it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
> network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
> happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
> documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
> deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.
>
> A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
> semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
> They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
> feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
> ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
> factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
> low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
> properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
> crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
> bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.
>
> /kenw
>
>   ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
>
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

ROFL


On Feb 1, 2008 11:20 AM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Then you should have no trouble gaining some of that knowledge while you are
> there.
>
>
>
>
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:13 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Don stores it all a lil farther south than his head Tom.
>
>
>
>
> From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:51 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not everybody has a BIGHEAD like you Don to store all that information.
>
>
> ________
>
>
> From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:43 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
> GUI's are for the unskilled...
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
> used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
> great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
> department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
> all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
> solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
> enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
> run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
> applet was easy-peasy to use.
>
> Shook
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
> I use HP nearly all the time now.
>
> While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
> implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
> expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
> configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
> box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
> it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
> network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
> happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
> documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
> deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.
>
> A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
> semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
> They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
> feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
> ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
> factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
> low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
> properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
> crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
> bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.
>
> /kenw
>
>
>
>
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
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-- 
ME2

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Martin Blackstone]

Then you should have no trouble gaining some of that knowledge while you are
there.

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Don stores it all a lil farther south than his head Tom.

 

From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Not everybody has a BIGHEAD like you Don to store all that information.

 

  _  

From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...


GUI's are for the unskilled...

On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
applet was easy-peasy to use.

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook



 -Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tom Strader]

Cisco = TVK and SHOOK (scratch "for your phone system")


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Yup. If you are already in bed with Cisco for your phone system, you may
as
well go all the way.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

If you are using Call Manager stick with Cisco, the integration will be
well worth the cost and trial of doing it any other way.

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Does HP have POE switches?  We are rolling out Cisco Call Manager in the
Fall so I would like to have POE switches if possible.  I am a big Cisco
fan for their feature set etc. but im looking for cheaper alternatives
in case I get shot down for the Cisco pricing.


Thanks..

-Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.  

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: January-29-08 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> Price to functionality on the say 2800 series HP and equivalent Cisco
> you will get a better price/warranty from HP over Cisco any day.
> Cisco is good stuff, really good stuff.. but the cost of managing the
> Cisco, TAC agreement if you don't know, and the warranty as compared
to
> HP, always = better value for our shop to go HP.
> 
> I have had switches that are 6 years old have a bad port go bad and HP
> sends a refurb'd switch out next day.  And you don't even have to buy
a
> better warranty it comes with it.
> 
> Unless you can show me a specific feature I need not available on HP,
> that would be my only reason for going Cisco at this time.
> 
> Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:21 -0500
> MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr
> 
> MEJ> Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?
> 
> See earlier posts.  Again, we're talking low-end switches; I've not
run
> the bigger HPs.
> 
> HP: Never a problem with hardware or firmware over the years.
> 
> Cisco: IIRC was slower to offer SSHv2.
> 
> Cisco: Unless the 29xx now has things like 802.1x, HP gets the nod.
> 
> Cisco: Wicked problems with 5500 (yes, a while back) and "redundant"
> FEC aggregates.
> 
> Cisco: Some of my bias comes from nasty experiences on their router
> gear
> not living up to spec (think: special interim IOS release because of
> buggy MPLS code; not reaching near advertised forwarding rates with
any
> "real" routing processes and ACLs)
> 
> HP isn't perfect, though.  I wish the 25xx allowed baby jumbograms for
> non-802.3ad ethertypes, such as MPLS.  Can't recall if the lower-end
> Ciscos do, either, for that matter.
> 

RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tim Vander Kooi]

As an admin of Call Manager for many years, I can verify that there is
absolutely no integration between Call Manager and any hardware (other
than the VOIP phones). What switches and routers you use is irrelevant
in spite of what your Cisco rep may or may not tell you.
Tim

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

If you are using Call Manager stick with Cisco, the integration will be
well worth the cost and trial of doing it any other way.

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Does HP have POE switches?  We are rolling out Cisco Call Manager in the
Fall so I would like to have POE switches if possible.  I am a big Cisco
fan for their feature set etc. but im looking for cheaper alternatives
in case I get shot down for the Cisco pricing.


Thanks..

-Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.  

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: January-29-08 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> Price to functionality on the say 2800 series HP and equivalent Cisco
> you will get a better price/warranty from HP over Cisco any day.
> Cisco is good stuff, really good stuff.. but the cost of managing the
> Cisco, TAC agreement if you don't know, and the warranty as compared
to
> HP, always = better value for our shop to go HP.
> 
> I have had switches that are 6 years old have a bad port go bad and HP
> sends a refurb'd switch out next day.  And you don't even have to buy
a
> better warranty it comes with it.
> 
> Unless you can show me a specific feature I need not available on HP,
> that would be my only reason for going Cisco at this time.
> 
> Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:21 -0500
> MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr
> 
> MEJ> Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?
> 
> See earlier posts.  Again, we're talking low-end switches; I've not
run
> the bigger HPs.
> 
> HP: Never a problem with hardware or firmware over the years.
> 
> Cisco: IIRC was slower to offer SSHv2.
> 
> Cisco: Unless the 29xx now has things like 802.1x, HP gets the nod.
> 
> Cisco: Wicked problems with 5500 (yes, a while back) and "redundant"
> FEC aggregates.
> 
> Cisco: Some of my bias comes from nasty experiences on their router
> gear
> not living up to spec (think: special interim IOS release because of
> buggy MPLS code; not reaching near advertised forwarding rates with
any
> "real" routing processes and ACLs)
> 
> HP isn't perfect, though.  I wish the 25xx allowed baby jumbograms for
> non-802.3ad ethertypes, such as MPLS.  Can't recall if the lower-end
> Ciscos do, either, for that matter.
> 
> (Yes, some of these experiences date back several years.)
> 
&

RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Martin Blackstone]

Yup. If you are already in bed with Cisco for your phone system, you may as
well go all the way.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

If you are using Call Manager stick with Cisco, the integration will be
well worth the cost and trial of doing it any other way.

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Does HP have POE switches?  We are rolling out Cisco Call Manager in the
Fall so I would like to have POE switches if possible.  I am a big Cisco
fan for their feature set etc. but im looking for cheaper alternatives
in case I get shot down for the Cisco pricing.


Thanks..

-Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.  

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: January-29-08 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> Price to functionality on the say 2800 series HP and equivalent Cisco
> you will get a better price/warranty from HP over Cisco any day.
> Cisco is good stuff, really good stuff.. but the cost of managing the
> Cisco, TAC agreement if you don't know, and the warranty as compared
to
> HP, always = better value for our shop to go HP.
> 
> I have had switches that are 6 years old have a bad port go bad and HP
> sends a refurb'd switch out next day.  And you don't even have to buy
a
> better warranty it comes with it.
> 
> Unless you can show me a specific feature I need not available on HP,
> that would be my only reason for going Cisco at this time.
> 
> Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:21 -0500
> MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr
> 
> MEJ> Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?
> 
> See earlier posts.  Again, we're talking low-end switches; I've not
run
> the bigger HPs.
> 
> HP: Never a problem with hardware or firmware over the years.
> 
> Cisco: IIRC was slower to offer SSHv2.
> 
> Cisco: Unless the 29xx now has things like 802.1x, HP gets the nod.
> 
> Cisco: Wicked problems with 5500 (yes, a while back) and "redundant"
> FEC aggregates.
> 
> Cisco: Some of my bias comes from nasty experiences on their router
> gear
> not living up to spec (think: special interim IOS release because of
> buggy MPLS code; not reaching near advertised forwarding rates with
any
> "real" routing processes and ACLs)
> 
> HP isn't perfect, though.  I wish the 25xx allowed baby jumbograms for
> non-802.3ad ethertypes, such as MPLS.  Can't recall if the lower-end
> Ciscos do, either, for that matter.
> 
> (Yes, some of these experiences date back several years.)
> 
> 
> Eddy
> --
> 
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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tim Vander Kooi]

Don stores it all a lil farther south than his head Tom.

 

From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Not everybody has a BIGHEAD like you Don to store all that information.

 



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...


GUI's are for the unskilled...

On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
applet was easy-peasy to use.

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook



 -Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Phil Brutsche]

My guess would be the web-managed ProCurve 1700 series and 1800 series
of switches

The 2810 series and 2800 series are *not* "low-cost semi-managed" switches!

Joseph L. Casale wrote:
> Ken,
> I have this exact setup on a 2824 with ports 1 and 2 trunked with
> LACP to an HP DL380 and I can confirm that power cycling does not
> reset it? My firmware is also ~6 months old! What switch specifically
> are you referring to?

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[gsweers]

If you are using Call Manager stick with Cisco, the integration will be
well worth the cost and trial of doing it any other way.

-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Does HP have POE switches?  We are rolling out Cisco Call Manager in the
Fall so I would like to have POE switches if possible.  I am a big Cisco
fan for their feature set etc. but im looking for cheaper alternatives
in case I get shot down for the Cisco pricing.


Thanks..

-Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.  

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: January-29-08 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> Price to functionality on the say 2800 series HP and equivalent Cisco
> you will get a better price/warranty from HP over Cisco any day.
> Cisco is good stuff, really good stuff.. but the cost of managing the
> Cisco, TAC agreement if you don't know, and the warranty as compared
to
> HP, always = better value for our shop to go HP.
> 
> I have had switches that are 6 years old have a bad port go bad and HP
> sends a refurb'd switch out next day.  And you don't even have to buy
a
> better warranty it comes with it.
> 
> Unless you can show me a specific feature I need not available on HP,
> that would be my only reason for going Cisco at this time.
> 
> Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:21 -0500
> MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr
> 
> MEJ> Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?
> 
> See earlier posts.  Again, we're talking low-end switches; I've not
run
> the bigger HPs.
> 
> HP: Never a problem with hardware or firmware over the years.
> 
> Cisco: IIRC was slower to offer SSHv2.
> 
> Cisco: Unless the 29xx now has things like 802.1x, HP gets the nod.
> 
> Cisco: Wicked problems with 5500 (yes, a while back) and "redundant"
> FEC aggregates.
> 
> Cisco: Some of my bias comes from nasty experiences on their router
> gear
> not living up to spec (think: special interim IOS release because of
> buggy MPLS code; not reaching near advertised forwarding rates with
any
> "real" routing processes and ACLs)
> 
> HP isn't perfect, though.  I wish the 25xx allowed baby jumbograms for
> non-802.3ad ethertypes, such as MPLS.  Can't recall if the lower-end
> Ciscos do, either, for that matter.
> 
> (Yes, some of these experiences date back several years.)
> 
> 
> Eddy
> --
> 
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> Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national
> Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita
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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[gsweers]

My only issues with the Dell switches is the warranty.  You can only get
3 or 4 year and extend it to 5 years total last time I checked and the
cost of expanding the warranty brings it easily to the cost of an HP
from the get go.

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
applet was easy-peasy to use.  

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook


  -Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.  

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[John Cook]

I happen to like the pretty pictures and all of those big words hurt my
head!

 

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From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Not everybody has a BIGHEAD like you Don to store all that information.

 



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...


GUI's are for the unskilled...

On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
applet was easy-peasy to use.

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook



 -Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tom Strader]

Not everybody has a BIGHEAD like you Don to store all that information.



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...



GUI's are for the unskilled...


On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these
discussions.  I've
used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have
enjoyed
great success with all the managed products.  When I was running
the IT
department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and
Dell in
all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a
rock
solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just
different
enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type
'sh
run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web
mgmt
applet was easy-peasy to use.

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook



 -Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
    To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured
right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's
default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.
An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the
Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section
of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had
any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on
how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new,
low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything
else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you
use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will
reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility
issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate
speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB
with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs,
FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw


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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

GUI's are for the unskilled...

On Feb 1, 2008 6:50 AM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
> used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
> great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
> department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
> all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
> solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
> enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
> run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
> applet was easy-peasy to use.
>
> Shook
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
> I use HP nearly all the time now.
>
> While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
> implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
> expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
> configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
> box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
> it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
> network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
> happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
> documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
> deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.
>
> A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
> semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
> They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
> feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
> ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
> factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
> low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
> properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
> crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
> bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.
>
> /kenw
>
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

There's no such thing as a "nice web UI"  :P

On Feb 1, 2008 7:10 AM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Feb 1, 2008 9:48 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Does HP have POE switches?
>
>  Yup, several options, according to their catalog.  Haven't used 'em
> myself.
>
> > I am a big Cisco fan for their feature set etc. but im looking for
> cheaper
> > alternatives ...
>
>  Yah, the thing all us ProCurve fans are saying is that HP seems to
> offer most/all of the same features, for lower cost, with a better
> warranty.   More features in some cases -- a nice web UI, for example,
> which isn't available on many Cisco models.
>
>  Of course, I expect once you get into the *really* high end -- like
> the Cisco Nexus 7000 -- HP can't compete.  And if you've got existing
> Cisco products, it of course makes sense to preserve that investment.
> Likewise if you're using Cisco Call Manager and it has special
> integration features that only work with their equipment.
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Ben Scott]

On Feb 1, 2008 9:48 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does HP have POE switches?

  Yup, several options, according to their catalog.  Haven't used 'em myself.

> I am a big Cisco fan for their feature set etc. but im looking for cheaper
> alternatives ...

  Yah, the thing all us ProCurve fans are saying is that HP seems to
offer most/all of the same features, for lower cost, with a better
warranty.   More features in some cases -- a nice web UI, for example,
which isn't available on many Cisco models.

  Of course, I expect once you get into the *really* high end -- like
the Cisco Nexus 7000 -- HP can't compete.  And if you've got existing
Cisco products, it of course makes sense to preserve that investment.
Likewise if you're using Cisco Call Manager and it has special
integration features that only work with their equipment.

-- Ben

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Joseph L. Casale]

>There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
>ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
>factory defaults.

Ken,
I have this exact setup on a 2824 with ports 1 and 2 trunked with LACP to an HP 
DL380 and I can confirm that power cycling does not reset it? My firmware is 
also ~6 months old! What switch specifically are you referring to?

jlc


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Andy Shook]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Dell in these discussions.  I've
used Dell switches in stacked and single deployments and have enjoyed
great success with all the managed products.  When I was running the IT
department for that law firm (from Hell), I had a Cisco core and Dell in
all my access-layer closets and all branch offices and it was a rock
solid setup.  My only beef with Dell is that the CLI is just different
enough from Cisco to piss you off.  Example, you can't just type 'sh
run' you have to type "show running-config".  However, the web mgmt
applet was easy-peasy to use.  

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook


  -Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.  

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Does HP have POE switches?  We are rolling out Cisco Call Manager in the
Fall so I would like to have POE switches if possible.  I am a big Cisco
fan for their feature set etc. but im looking for cheaper alternatives
in case I get shot down for the Cisco pricing.


Thanks..

-Original Message-
From: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

I use HP nearly all the time now.  

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: January-29-08 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> Price to functionality on the say 2800 series HP and equivalent Cisco
> you will get a better price/warranty from HP over Cisco any day.
> Cisco is good stuff, really good stuff.. but the cost of managing the
> Cisco, TAC agreement if you don't know, and the warranty as compared
to
> HP, always = better value for our shop to go HP.
> 
> I have had switches that are 6 years old have a bad port go bad and HP
> sends a refurb'd switch out next day.  And you don't even have to buy
a
> better warranty it comes with it.
> 
> Unless you can show me a specific feature I need not available on HP,
> that would be my only reason for going Cisco at this time.
> 
> Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:21 -0500
> MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr
> 
> MEJ> Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?
> 
> See earlier posts.  Again, we're talking low-end switches; I've not
run
> the bigger HPs.
> 
> HP: Never a problem with hardware or firmware over the years.
> 
> Cisco: IIRC was slower to offer SSHv2.
> 
> Cisco: Unless the 29xx now has things like 802.1x, HP gets the nod.
> 
> Cisco: Wicked problems with 5500 (yes, a while back) and "redundant"
> FEC aggregates.
> 
> Cisco: Some of my bias comes from nasty experiences on their router
> gear
> not living up to spec (think: special interim IOS release because of
> buggy MPLS code; not reaching near advertised forwarding rates with
any
> "real" routing processes and ACLs)
> 
> HP isn't perfect, though.  I wish the 25xx allowed baby jumbograms for
> non-802.3ad ethertypes, such as MPLS.  Can't recall if the lower-end
> Ciscos do, either, for that matter.
> 
> (Yes, some of these experiences date back several years.)
> 
> 
> Eddy
> --
> 
> Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building
> Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national
> Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita
>
___
> _
> DO NOT send mail to the following addresses:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.
> Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software
> backscatter.
> 
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> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[kenw]

I use HP nearly all the time now.  

While Cisco gear is good, unless you're doing a fairly large
implementation, the time it can take to get them configured right can be
expensive.  I had a situation a while ago, due to Cisco's default
configuration for bridge discovery, that caused a lot of hassle.  An XP
box behind another switch had defaulted to bridge mode, the Cisco saw
it, panicked, and disconnected the port, causing a whole section of the
network to "go dark".  Took a few times to figure out what was
happening.  My complaint is that neither Cisco nor Microsoft had any
documented recognition of the issue, nor any recommendation on how to
deal with it, and the support wasn't much help.

A caution on the HPs, though: they've brought out some new, low-cost,
semi-managed switches that I've put where I can't do anything else.
They're still pretty green, don't cluster, and are generally
feature-poor.  There's an undocumented "feature" wherein if you use
ports 1 and 2 for a trunk, and there's a power cycle, they will reset to
factory defaults.  Also, I'm seeing a lot of compatibility issues with
low cost gigabit PC NICs, wherein they don't negotiate speed/duplex/etc.
properly, and users with gigabit cards start running at 100MB with truly
crappy performance.  They seem to be happy with Intel NICs, FWIW.  HP's
bringing new firmware out for them fairly often.

/kenw

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: January-29-08 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> Price to functionality on the say 2800 series HP and equivalent Cisco
> you will get a better price/warranty from HP over Cisco any day.
> Cisco is good stuff, really good stuff.. but the cost of managing the
> Cisco, TAC agreement if you don't know, and the warranty as compared
to
> HP, always = better value for our shop to go HP.
> 
> I have had switches that are 6 years old have a bad port go bad and HP
> sends a refurb'd switch out next day.  And you don't even have to buy
a
> better warranty it comes with it.
> 
> Unless you can show me a specific feature I need not available on HP,
> that would be my only reason for going Cisco at this time.
> 
> Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> 
> MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:21 -0500
> MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr
> 
> MEJ> Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?
> 
> See earlier posts.  Again, we're talking low-end switches; I've not
run
> the bigger HPs.
> 
> HP: Never a problem with hardware or firmware over the years.
> 
> Cisco: IIRC was slower to offer SSHv2.
> 
> Cisco: Unless the 29xx now has things like 802.1x, HP gets the nod.
> 
> Cisco: Wicked problems with 5500 (yes, a while back) and "redundant"
> FEC aggregates.
> 
> Cisco: Some of my bias comes from nasty experiences on their router
> gear
> not living up to spec (think: special interim IOS release because of
> buggy MPLS code; not reaching near advertised forwarding rates with
any
> "real" routing processes and ACLs)
> 
> HP isn't perfect, though.  I wish the 25xx allowed baby jumbograms for
> non-802.3ad ethertypes, such as MPLS.  Can't recall if the lower-end
> Ciscos do, either, for that matter.
> 
> (Yes, some of these experiences date back several years.)
> 
> 
> Eddy
> --
> 
> Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building
> Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national
> Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita
>
___
> _
> DO NOT send mail to the following addresses:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.
> Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software
> backscatter.
> 
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
> 
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

nonono, in proper "Yankee" it's, GO TAKE A BATH!

On Jan 30, 2008 12:35 PM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> You're such a Yankee; its GIT-R-DONE
>
>
>
>
> Andy
> 
>
>
> From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:05 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Shook,
>
> The Ever-Loving Spoonful, Distant Cousin of Larry the Cable Guy.
>
>
>
> GETTER DONE!
>
>
>
> Z
>
>
>
>
> Edward E. Ziots
>
> Netwok Engineer
>
> Lifespan Organization
>
> MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
>
> Phone: 401-639-3505
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:52 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
> Don't fight over me, there's plenty of Shook for all….
>
>
>
>
> Andy
>
> 
>
>
> From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:51 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
> Envious, are we?
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 7:47 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Cisco = Shook
>
> Bread = bend
>
> Butter = over
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 PM
>
>
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, I'm getting the company away from 3COM and since Cisco has been my
> bread and butter for the last 8 years, it's just simpler...  Don't get me
> wrong, HP does make some nice equipment, but it's just not for me...
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 7:42 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 4:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> > blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...
>
>  Wow.  Nice.  That's way bigger than anything I usually work with.
> But I was curious, so I did a little web browsing.  It looks like the
> roughly equivalent ProCurve model would be the 8108fl.  8 slots
> instead of 7 for the Cisco.
>
> http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/ProCurve_Switch_8100fl_Series
>
>  Pricing in this space is hard to find and harder to compare (since
> you have to order all the modules separately), but it looks like the
> two are roughly comparable, price-wise.
>
>  Obviously, your experience is with Cisco, and I'm not trying to
> suggest you switch to HP.  It's very likely your existing investment
> (equipment, training, experience, etc.) in Cisco is far more valuable
> than anything HP could bring to the table.  This is more for my own
> curiosity.
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 9:25 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  Redundant Sup Engines for one...  Full Netflow feature set...  Policy
> based
> > routing...
>
>  The 8108 does appear to have those sorts of features.  HP uses
> "management module" for what Cisco calls a "supervisor".  Policy
> routing is listed in the data sheet.  "NetFlow" is a Cisco brand name.
>  So of course the HP doesn't have that.  HP has various monitoring and
> management tools; dunno if they do what you need.
>
>  Given that the above is all based on about 20 minutes of work with
> Google, it's not worth very much, but maybe it's food for thought.
>
> -- Ben
>
>
>
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Andy Shook]

You're such a Yankee; its GIT-R-DONE

 

Andy



From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Shook, 

The Ever-Loving Spoonful, Distant Cousin of Larry the Cable Guy. 

 

GETTER DONE!

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Don't fight over me, there's plenty of Shook for all

 

Andy



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

 


Envious, are we?

On Jan 30, 2008 7:47 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Cisco = Shook

Bread = bend

Butter = over

 

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question... 

 


Yeah, I'm getting the company away from 3COM and since Cisco has been my
bread and butter for the last 8 years, it's just simpler...  Don't get
me wrong, HP does make some nice equipment, but it's just not for me...

On Jan 29, 2008 7:42 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Jan 29, 2008 4:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...

 Wow.  Nice.  That's way bigger than anything I usually work with.
But I was curious, so I did a little web browsing.  It looks like the
roughly equivalent ProCurve model would be the 8108fl.  8 slots
instead of 7 for the Cisco.

http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/ProCurve_Switch_8100fl_Series

 Pricing in this space is hard to find and harder to compare (since
you have to order all the modules separately), but it looks like the
two are roughly comparable, price-wise.

 Obviously, your experience is with Cisco, and I'm not trying to
suggest you switch to HP.  It's very likely your existing investment
(equipment, training, experience, etc.) in Cisco is far more valuable
than anything HP could bring to the table.  This is more for my own
curiosity.


On Jan 29, 2008 9:25 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Redundant Sup Engines for one...  Full Netflow feature set...  Policy
based
> routing...

 The 8108 does appear to have those sorts of features.  HP uses
"management module" for what Cisco calls a "supervisor".  Policy
routing is listed in the data sheet.  "NetFlow" is a Cisco brand name.
 So of course the HP doesn't have that.  HP has various monitoring and
management tools; dunno if they do what you need.

 Given that the above is all based on about 20 minutes of work with
Google, it's not worth very much, but maybe it's food for thought.

-- Ben


~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~

 





















 




















 
 


 





















 
 


 





















 
 


 

 










 


 

 





 


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~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~

RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Ziots, Edward]

Shook, 

The Ever-Loving Spoonful, Distant Cousin of Larry the Cable Guy. 

 

GETTER DONE!

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Don't fight over me, there's plenty of Shook for all

 

Andy



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

 


Envious, are we?

On Jan 30, 2008 7:47 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Cisco = Shook

Bread = bend

Butter = over

 

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question... 

 


Yeah, I'm getting the company away from 3COM and since Cisco has been my
bread and butter for the last 8 years, it's just simpler...  Don't get
me wrong, HP does make some nice equipment, but it's just not for me...

On Jan 29, 2008 7:42 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Jan 29, 2008 4:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...

 Wow.  Nice.  That's way bigger than anything I usually work with.
But I was curious, so I did a little web browsing.  It looks like the
roughly equivalent ProCurve model would be the 8108fl.  8 slots
instead of 7 for the Cisco.

http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/ProCurve_Switch_8100fl_Series

 Pricing in this space is hard to find and harder to compare (since
you have to order all the modules separately), but it looks like the
two are roughly comparable, price-wise.

 Obviously, your experience is with Cisco, and I'm not trying to
suggest you switch to HP.  It's very likely your existing investment
(equipment, training, experience, etc.) in Cisco is far more valuable
than anything HP could bring to the table.  This is more for my own
curiosity.


On Jan 29, 2008 9:25 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Redundant Sup Engines for one...  Full Netflow feature set...  Policy
based
> routing...

 The 8108 does appear to have those sorts of features.  HP uses
"management module" for what Cisco calls a "supervisor".  Policy
routing is listed in the data sheet.  "NetFlow" is a Cisco brand name.
 So of course the HP doesn't have that.  HP has various monitoring and
management tools; dunno if they do what you need.

 Given that the above is all based on about 20 minutes of work with
Google, it's not worth very much, but maybe it's food for thought.

-- Ben


~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~

 











 










 
 


 











 
 


 











 
 


 

 





 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Andy Shook]

Don't fight over me, there's plenty of Shook for all

 

Andy



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

 


Envious, are we?

On Jan 30, 2008 7:47 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Cisco = Shook

Bread = bend

Butter = over

 

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question... 

 


Yeah, I'm getting the company away from 3COM and since Cisco has been my
bread and butter for the last 8 years, it's just simpler...  Don't get
me wrong, HP does make some nice equipment, but it's just not for me...

On Jan 29, 2008 7:42 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Jan 29, 2008 4:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...

 Wow.  Nice.  That's way bigger than anything I usually work with.
But I was curious, so I did a little web browsing.  It looks like the
roughly equivalent ProCurve model would be the 8108fl.  8 slots
instead of 7 for the Cisco.

http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/ProCurve_Switch_8100fl_Series

 Pricing in this space is hard to find and harder to compare (since
you have to order all the modules separately), but it looks like the
two are roughly comparable, price-wise.

 Obviously, your experience is with Cisco, and I'm not trying to
suggest you switch to HP.  It's very likely your existing investment
(equipment, training, experience, etc.) in Cisco is far more valuable
than anything HP could bring to the table.  This is more for my own
curiosity.


On Jan 29, 2008 9:25 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Redundant Sup Engines for one...  Full Netflow feature set...  Policy
based
> routing...

 The 8108 does appear to have those sorts of features.  HP uses
"management module" for what Cisco calls a "supervisor".  Policy
routing is listed in the data sheet.  "NetFlow" is a Cisco brand name.
 So of course the HP doesn't have that.  HP has various monitoring and
management tools; dunno if they do what you need.

 Given that the above is all based on about 20 minutes of work with
Google, it's not worth very much, but maybe it's food for thought.

-- Ben


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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

Envious, are we?

On Jan 30, 2008 7:47 AM, Tim Vander Kooi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>  Cisco = Shook
>
> Bread = bend
>
> Butter = over
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, I'm getting the company away from 3COM and since Cisco has been my
> bread and butter for the last 8 years, it's just simpler...  Don't get me
> wrong, HP does make some nice equipment, but it's just not for me...
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 7:42 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 4:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> > blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...
>
>  Wow.  Nice.  That's way bigger than anything I usually work with.
> But I was curious, so I did a little web browsing.  It looks like the
> roughly equivalent ProCurve model would be the 8108fl.  8 slots
> instead of 7 for the Cisco.
>
> http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/ProCurve_Switch_8100fl_Series
>
>  Pricing in this space is hard to find and harder to compare (since
> you have to order all the modules separately), but it looks like the
> two are roughly comparable, price-wise.
>
>  Obviously, your experience is with Cisco, and I'm not trying to
> suggest you switch to HP.  It's very likely your existing investment
> (equipment, training, experience, etc.) in Cisco is far more valuable
> than anything HP could bring to the table.  This is more for my own
> curiosity.
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 9:25 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  Redundant Sup Engines for one...  Full Netflow feature set...  Policy
> based
> > routing...
>
>  The 8108 does appear to have those sorts of features.  HP uses
> "management module" for what Cisco calls a "supervisor".  Policy
> routing is listed in the data sheet.  "NetFlow" is a Cisco brand name.
>  So of course the HP doesn't have that.  HP has various monitoring and
> management tools; dunno if they do what you need.
>
>  Given that the above is all based on about 20 minutes of work with
> Google, it's not worth very much, but maybe it's food for thought.
>
> -- Ben
>
>
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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tim Vander Kooi]

Cisco = Shook

Bread = bend

Butter = over

 

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

 


Yeah, I'm getting the company away from 3COM and since Cisco has been my
bread and butter for the last 8 years, it's just simpler...  Don't get
me wrong, HP does make some nice equipment, but it's just not for me...

On Jan 29, 2008 7:42 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Jan 29, 2008 4:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...

 Wow.  Nice.  That's way bigger than anything I usually work with.
But I was curious, so I did a little web browsing.  It looks like the
roughly equivalent ProCurve model would be the 8108fl.  8 slots
instead of 7 for the Cisco.

http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/ProCurve_Switch_8100fl_Series

 Pricing in this space is hard to find and harder to compare (since
you have to order all the modules separately), but it looks like the
two are roughly comparable, price-wise.

 Obviously, your experience is with Cisco, and I'm not trying to
suggest you switch to HP.  It's very likely your existing investment
(equipment, training, experience, etc.) in Cisco is far more valuable
than anything HP could bring to the table.  This is more for my own
curiosity.


On Jan 29, 2008 9:25 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Redundant Sup Engines for one...  Full Netflow feature set...  Policy
based
> routing...

 The 8108 does appear to have those sorts of features.  HP uses
"management module" for what Cisco calls a "supervisor".  Policy
routing is listed in the data sheet.  "NetFlow" is a Cisco brand name.
 So of course the HP doesn't have that.  HP has various monitoring and
management tools; dunno if they do what you need.

 Given that the above is all based on about 20 minutes of work with
Google, it's not worth very much, but maybe it's food for thought.

-- Ben


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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

Yeah, I'm getting the company away from 3COM and since Cisco has been my
bread and butter for the last 8 years, it's just simpler...  Don't get me
wrong, HP does make some nice equipment, but it's just not for me...

On Jan 29, 2008 7:42 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 29, 2008 4:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> > blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...
>
>  Wow.  Nice.  That's way bigger than anything I usually work with.
> But I was curious, so I did a little web browsing.  It looks like the
> roughly equivalent ProCurve model would be the 8108fl.  8 slots
> instead of 7 for the Cisco.
>
> http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/ProCurve_Switch_8100fl_Series
>
>  Pricing in this space is hard to find and harder to compare (since
> you have to order all the modules separately), but it looks like the
> two are roughly comparable, price-wise.
>
>  Obviously, your experience is with Cisco, and I'm not trying to
> suggest you switch to HP.  It's very likely your existing investment
> (equipment, training, experience, etc.) in Cisco is far more valuable
> than anything HP could bring to the table.  This is more for my own
> curiosity.
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 9:25 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  Redundant Sup Engines for one...  Full Netflow feature set...  Policy
> based
> > routing...
>
>  The 8108 does appear to have those sorts of features.  HP uses
> "management module" for what Cisco calls a "supervisor".  Policy
> routing is listed in the data sheet.  "NetFlow" is a Cisco brand name.
>  So of course the HP doesn't have that.  HP has various monitoring and
> management tools; dunno if they do what you need.
>
>  Given that the above is all based on about 20 minutes of work with
> Google, it's not worth very much, but maybe it's food for thought.
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Ben Scott]

On Jan 29, 2008 4:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...

  Wow.  Nice.  That's way bigger than anything I usually work with.
But I was curious, so I did a little web browsing.  It looks like the
roughly equivalent ProCurve model would be the 8108fl.  8 slots
instead of 7 for the Cisco.

http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/ProCurve_Switch_8100fl_Series

  Pricing in this space is hard to find and harder to compare (since
you have to order all the modules separately), but it looks like the
two are roughly comparable, price-wise.

  Obviously, your experience is with Cisco, and I'm not trying to
suggest you switch to HP.  It's very likely your existing investment
(equipment, training, experience, etc.) in Cisco is far more valuable
than anything HP could bring to the table.  This is more for my own
curiosity.

On Jan 29, 2008 9:25 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Redundant Sup Engines for one...  Full Netflow feature set...  Policy based
> routing...

  The 8108 does appear to have those sorts of features.  HP uses
"management module" for what Cisco calls a "supervisor".  Policy
routing is listed in the data sheet.  "NetFlow" is a Cisco brand name.
 So of course the HP doesn't have that.  HP has various monitoring and
management tools; dunno if they do what you need.

  Given that the above is all based on about 20 minutes of work with
Google, it's not worth very much, but maybe it's food for thought.

-- Ben

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

Redundant Sup Engines for one...  Full Netflow feature set...  Policy based
routing...

On Jan 29, 2008 2:04 PM, Edward B. DREGER <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> DE> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:00:02 -0800
> DE> From: Don Ely
>
> DE> They have the 5412zl, but it doesn't have the feature set that I
> DE> spec'd with the 4507...  Nice switch if you don't need the feature
> DE> set though...
>
> Now I'm curious.  Which specific features?
>
> And has anyone used the bigger (comparable to, say, Cat6500) HP
> switches?
>
>
> Eddy
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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Ha I agree.. Stay away from the netgear..very brittle and easily crippled...

-Original Message-
From: "Don Ely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: 1/29/08 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

They sound icky  :P

On Jan 29, 2008 3:52 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>  Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever stacked up the Netgear ProSafe
> upper end switches against the HP Procurve's?  I'm not saying they're
> better, just curious if anyone has used them.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:07 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
> Count me in the Procurve camp.  I've been using them for years with no
> major problems (outside an occasional lightning strike).  We've probably had
> 15 to 20 over the years in various flavors from the 2224 to the 4108GL and
> they've all performed well.  Plus there's the lifetime warranty thing.
>
>
>
> Jon Lewis
>
>
>
> *From:* Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:13 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
> I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
> here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit
> and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking
> at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
>
>
>
> 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
>
>
>
> Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
>
>
>
> It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
> shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
> another model you like better by same or different vendor in the $2500-$3000
> range.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

They sound icky  :P

On Jan 29, 2008 3:52 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>  Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever stacked up the Netgear ProSafe
> upper end switches against the HP Procurve's?  I'm not saying they're
> better, just curious if anyone has used them.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:07 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
> Count me in the Procurve camp.  I've been using them for years with no
> major problems (outside an occasional lightning strike).  We've probably had
> 15 to 20 over the years in various flavors from the 2224 to the 4108GL and
> they've all performed well.  Plus there's the lifetime warranty thing.
>
>
>
> Jon Lewis
>
>
>
> *From:* Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:13 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
>
>
>
> I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
> here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit
> and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking
> at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
>
>
>
> 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
>
>
>
> Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
>
>
>
> It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
> shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
> another model you like better by same or different vendor in the $2500-$3000
> range.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Jim Majorowicz]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever stacked up the Netgear ProSafe upper
end switches against the HP Procurve's?  I'm not saying they're better, just
curious if anyone has used them.

 

From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Count me in the Procurve camp.  I've been using them for years with no major
problems (outside an occasional lightning strike).  We've probably had 15 to
20 over the years in various flavors from the 2224 to the 4108GL and they've
all performed well.  Plus there's the lifetime warranty thing.  

 

Jon Lewis

 

From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm here.
It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and the
owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at 3com
and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the $2500-$3000
range.

 

 

Thanks!

 

 














 
 


 

 







 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Jon B. Lewis]

Count me in the Procurve camp.  I've been using them for years with no
major problems (outside an occasional lightning strike).  We've probably
had 15 to 20 over the years in various flavors from the 2224 to the
4108GL and they've all performed well.  Plus there's the lifetime
warranty thing.  

 

Jon Lewis

 

From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!

 

 





 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[gsweers]

Price to functionality on the say 2800 series HP and equivalent Cisco
you will get a better price/warranty from HP over Cisco any day.
Cisco is good stuff, really good stuff.. but the cost of managing the
Cisco, TAC agreement if you don't know, and the warranty as compared to
HP, always = better value for our shop to go HP.

I have had switches that are 6 years old have a bad port go bad and HP
sends a refurb'd switch out next day.  And you don't even have to buy a
better warranty it comes with it.

Unless you can show me a specific feature I need not available on HP,
that would be my only reason for going Cisco at this time. 

Greg
-Original Message-
From: Edward B. DREGER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:21 -0500
MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr

MEJ> Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?

See earlier posts.  Again, we're talking low-end switches; I've not run
the bigger HPs.

HP: Never a problem with hardware or firmware over the years.

Cisco: IIRC was slower to offer SSHv2.

Cisco: Unless the 29xx now has things like 802.1x, HP gets the nod.

Cisco: Wicked problems with 5500 (yes, a while back) and "redundant"
FEC aggregates.

Cisco: Some of my bias comes from nasty experiences on their router gear
not living up to spec (think: special interim IOS release because of
buggy MPLS code; not reaching near advertised forwarding rates with any
"real" routing processes and ACLs)

HP isn't perfect, though.  I wish the 25xx allowed baby jumbograms for
non-802.3ad ethertypes, such as MPLS.  Can't recall if the lower-end
Ciscos do, either, for that matter.

(Yes, some of these experiences date back several years.)


Eddy
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Edward B. DREGER]

MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:21 -0500
MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr

MEJ> Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?

See earlier posts.  Again, we're talking low-end switches; I've not run
the bigger HPs.

HP: Never a problem with hardware or firmware over the years.

Cisco: IIRC was slower to offer SSHv2.

Cisco: Unless the 29xx now has things like 802.1x, HP gets the nod.

Cisco: Wicked problems with 5500 (yes, a while back) and "redundant"
FEC aggregates.

Cisco: Some of my bias comes from nasty experiences on their router gear
not living up to spec (think: special interim IOS release because of
buggy MPLS code; not reaching near advertised forwarding rates with any
"real" routing processes and ACLs)

HP isn't perfect, though.  I wish the 25xx allowed baby jumbograms for
non-802.3ad ethertypes, such as MPLS.  Can't recall if the lower-end
Ciscos do, either, for that matter.

(Yes, some of these experiences date back several years.)


Eddy
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Kurt Buff]

But, that's not my market, and not Mr's Chyka's either, I suspect.

I'll lay odds that at the lower end, Cisco isn't quite such a deal.

On Jan 29, 2008 1:55 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Doesn't make my comment irrelevant at all.  Someone mentioned that you
> needed a new VAR because you got crappy pricing.  Go have a look at what
> list is on the specs I just gave you...
>
> And my feature set blows away the feature set of an HP, but that is because
> my requirements dictate that...
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 1:53 PM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Which makes your comment on the equipment irrelevant, doesn't it?
> >
> > HP may not be the answer for every question, but in situations where
> > there is equivalence between HP and Cisco, I'll at least consider HP
> > equipment, given their superior warranty and return policies.
> >
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2008 1:49 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  There isn't one...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 29, 2008 1:44 PM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > And the equivalent HP equipment would cost what?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 29, 2008 1:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Agreed...  I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port
> gig
> > > > > blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 29, 2008 12:00 PM, Andy Shook
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt,
> >
> >
> > > > > > It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new
> > > infrastructure
> >
> >
> > > > > > for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or
> 3Com.
> >
> >
> > > > > > It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > negotiable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
> > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as
> well.
> > > > > > We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
> > > > > > looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the
> 2800
> > > > > > series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in
> 2001
> > > > > > - I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch
> to
> > > > > > its knees back then with a simple ping flood.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am looking to upgrade switching for a
> architectural/engineering
> > > firm
> > > > > > here.
> > > > > > > It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
> gigabit
> > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was
> looking
> > > at
> > > > > > 3com
> > > > > > > and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
> > > > > > >
> > > > >

Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Edward B. DREGER]

DE> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:00:02 -0800
DE> From: Don Ely

DE> They have the 5412zl, but it doesn't have the feature set that I
DE> spec'd with the 4507...  Nice switch if you don't need the feature
DE> set though...

Now I'm curious.  Which specific features?

And has anyone used the bigger (comparable to, say, Cat6500) HP
switches?


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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Over Cisco?  Can you give an example?

On Jan 29, 2008 4:58 PM, Edward B. DREGER
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:53:25 -0500
> MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr
>
> MEJ> Why the preference for HP?
>
> Features and reliability/stability.
>
>
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

They have the 5412zl, but it doesn't have the feature set that I spec'd with
the 4507...  Nice switch if you don't need the feature set though...

On Jan 29, 2008 1:55 PM, Edward B. DREGER <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> DE> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:49:59 -0800
> DE> From: Don Ely
>
> |Don> Agreed...  I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48
> |Don> port gig blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...
>
> |Kurt> And the equivalent HP equipment would cost what?
>
> |Don> There isn't one...
>
> I'm remote via dialup right now, and would rather not wait on HP's site,
> but I thought they _did_ have some similar higher-end switches.  Are you
> saying said products are vaporware?
>
> (See my previous post.  I've not run any of the bigger HP switches.)
>
>
> Eddy
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Edward B. DREGER]

MEJ> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:53:25 -0500
MEJ> From: Micheal Espinola Jr

MEJ> Why the preference for HP?

Features and reliability/stability.


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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Vicky Spelshaus]

I can only speak for myself, but working on the tightest budget known to man
I need quality, warranty and cost.  HP provides.

On Jan 29, 2008 3:53 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Why the preference for HP?
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 4:51 PM, Edward B. DREGER >
> > I still prefer HP over Cisco for lower-end switches.
> >
> > FWIW, I've used 2424, 2524, 26xx, and 2810 Procurves over the years.
> >
> >
> > Eddy
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Edward B. DREGER]

DE> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:49:59 -0800
DE> From: Don Ely

|Don> Agreed...  I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48
|Don> port gig blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...

|Kurt> And the equivalent HP equipment would cost what?

|Don> There isn't one...

I'm remote via dialup right now, and would rather not wait on HP's site,
but I thought they _did_ have some similar higher-end switches.  Are you
saying said products are vaporware?

(See my previous post.  I've not run any of the bigger HP switches.)


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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

Doesn't make my comment irrelevant at all.  Someone mentioned that you
needed a new VAR because you got crappy pricing.  Go have a look at what
list is on the specs I just gave you...

And my feature set blows away the feature set of an HP, but that is because
my requirements dictate that...

On Jan 29, 2008 1:53 PM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Which makes your comment on the equipment irrelevant, doesn't it?
>
> HP may not be the answer for every question, but in situations where
> there is equivalence between HP and Cisco, I'll at least consider HP
> equipment, given their superior warranty and return policies.
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 1:49 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  There isn't one...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2008 1:44 PM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > And the equivalent HP equipment would cost what?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 29, 2008 1:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Agreed...  I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port
> gig
> > > > blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 29, 2008 12:00 PM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt,
> > > > > It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new
> > infrastructure
> > > > > for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or
> 3Com.
> > > > > It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
>  > > > > negotiable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
> > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > > > Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as
> well.
> > > > > We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
> > > > > looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the
> 2800
> > > > > series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.
> > > > >
> > > > > Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in
> 2001
> > > > > - I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch
> to
> > > > > its knees back then with a simple ping flood.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am looking to upgrade switching for a
> architectural/engineering
> > firm
> > > > > here.
> > > > > > It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
> gigabit
> > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was
> looking
> > at
> > > > > 3com
> > > > > > and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a
> cad
> > > > > heavy
> > > > > > shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if
> there
> > > > > was
> > > > > > another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
> > > > > $2500-$3000
> > > > > > range.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Vicky Spelshaus]

I've standardized on the HP 28xx's for all but my core switch rock
solid.

On Jan 29, 2008 3:51 PM, Edward B. DREGER <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> AS> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:00:54 -0500
> AS> From: Andy Shook
>
> AS> It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new
> infrastructure
> AS> for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
> AS> It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
> AS> negotiable.
>
> I still prefer HP over Cisco for lower-end switches.
>
> FWIW, I've used 2424, 2524, 26xx, and 2810 Procurves over the years.
>
>
> Eddy
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Why the preference for HP?

On Jan 29, 2008 4:51 PM, Edward B. DREGER >
> I still prefer HP over Cisco for lower-end switches.
>
> FWIW, I've used 2424, 2524, 26xx, and 2810 Procurves over the years.
>
>
> Eddy


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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Kurt Buff]

Which makes your comment on the equipment irrelevant, doesn't it?

HP may not be the answer for every question, but in situations where
there is equivalence between HP and Cisco, I'll at least consider HP
equipment, given their superior warranty and return policies.

On Jan 29, 2008 1:49 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  There isn't one...
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 1:44 PM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And the equivalent HP equipment would cost what?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2008 1:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Agreed...  I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> > > blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 29, 2008 12:00 PM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Kurt,
> > > > It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new
> infrastructure
> > > > for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
> > > > It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
> > > > negotiable.
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
> > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > > Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
> > > > We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
> > > > looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
> > > > series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.
> > > >
> > > > Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.
> > > >
> > > > 3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
> > > > - I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
> > > > its knees back then with a simple ping flood.
> > > >
> > > > Kurt
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering
> firm
> > > > here.
> > > > > It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit
> and
> > > > the
> > > > > owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking
> at
> > > > 3com
> > > > > and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
> > > > heavy
> > > > > shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
> > > > was
> > > > > another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
> > > > $2500-$3000
> > > > > range.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Edward B. DREGER]

AS> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:00:54 -0500
AS> From: Andy Shook

AS> It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new infrastructure
AS> for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
AS> It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
AS> negotiable.

I still prefer HP over Cisco for lower-end switches.

FWIW, I've used 2424, 2524, 26xx, and 2810 Procurves over the years.


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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

There isn't one...

On Jan 29, 2008 1:44 PM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And the equivalent HP equipment would cost what?
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 1:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Agreed...  I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> > blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...
> >
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2008 12:00 PM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Kurt,
> > > It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new
> infrastructure
> > > for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
> > > It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
> > > negotiable.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
> > > We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
> > > looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
> > > series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.
> > >
> > > Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.
> > >
> > > 3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
> > > - I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
> > > its knees back then with a simple ping flood.
> > >
> > > Kurt
> > >
> > > On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering
> firm
> > > here.
> > > > It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit
> and
> > > the
> > > > owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking
> at
> > > 3com
> > > > and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
> > > heavy
> > > > shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
> > > was
> > > > another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
> > > $2500-$3000
> > > > range.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Kurt Buff]

And the equivalent HP equipment would cost what?

On Jan 29, 2008 1:41 PM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Agreed...  I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
> blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 12:00 PM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Kurt,
> > It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new infrastructure
> > for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
> > It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
> > negotiable.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
> > We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
> > looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
> > series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.
> >
> > Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.
> >
> > 3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
> > - I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
> > its knees back then with a simple ping flood.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
> > here.
> > > It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and
> > the
> > > owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at
> > 3com
> > > and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
> > heavy
> > > shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
> > was
> > > another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
> > $2500-$3000
> > > range.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

Agreed...  I'm getting a 4507 with dual Sup V 10GE engines, 48 port gig
blade and a 24 port fiber blade for 30k...

On Jan 29, 2008 12:00 PM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kurt,
> It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new infrastructure
> for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
> It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
> negotiable.
>
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>  We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
> We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
> looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
> series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.
>
> Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.
>
> 3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
> - I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
> its knees back then with a simple ping flood.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
> here.
> > It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and
> the
> > owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at
> 3com
> > and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
> >
> >
> >
> > 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
> >
> >
> >
> > Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
> >
> >
> >
> > It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
> heavy
> > shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
> was
> > another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
> $2500-$3000
> > range.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
>
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
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>

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

3COM can still be taken to the ground...

On Jan 29, 2008 11:57 AM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
> We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
> looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
> series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.
>
> Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.
>
> 3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
> - I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
> its knees back then with a simple ping flood.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
> here.
> > It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and
> the
> > owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at
> 3com
> > and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
> >
> >
> >
> > 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
> >
> >
> >
> > Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
> >
> >
> >
> > It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
> > shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
> > another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
> $2500-$3000
> > range.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>  ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~   ~
>

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~   ~

Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Kurt Buff]

We tried negotiating - we bought several switches (2950Ts - a fixed
configuration version) about 3.5 years ago, and got a decent deal on
them, but when we tried this time, no go. Not only that, the warranty
on the Cisco equipment, minus the SmartNet contract, sucks. With
SmartNet, it's still too expensive, compared to HP.

Kurt

On Jan 29, 2008 12:00 PM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kurt,
> It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new infrastructure
> for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
> It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
> negotiable.
>
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
> We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
> We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
> looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
> series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.
>
> Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.
>
> 3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
> - I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
> its knees back then with a simple ping flood.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
> here.
> > It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and
> the
> > owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at
> 3com
> > and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
> >
> >
> >
> > 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
> >
> >
> >
> > Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
> >
> >
> >
> > It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
> heavy
> > shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
> was
> > another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
> $2500-$3000
> > range.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
>
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
>

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Andy Shook]

Time to find another reseller. 

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

We tried negotiating - we bought several switches (2950Ts - a fixed
configuration version) about 3.5 years ago, and got a decent deal on
them, but when we tried this time, no go. Not only that, the warranty
on the Cisco equipment, minus the SmartNet contract, sucks. With
SmartNet, it's still too expensive, compared to HP.

Kurt

On Jan 29, 2008 12:00 PM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Kurt,
> It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new
infrastructure
> for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
> It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
> negotiable.
>
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...
>
>
> We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
> We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
> looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
> series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.
>
> Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.
>
> 3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
> - I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
> its knees back then with a simple ping flood.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering
firm
> here.
> > It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit
and
> the
> > owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking
at
> 3com
> > and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
> >
> >
> >
> > 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
> >
> >
> >
> > Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
> >
> >
> >
> > It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
> heavy
> > shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
> was
> > another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
> $2500-$3000
> > range.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
>
> ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
> ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~
>

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Sure does..I'm a big fan of 3750s but I'm not sure this guy can afford them.  I 
have a stack of 8 3750 gig oe here with the stacking cables and it works 
awesome.  How much did you pay for the 24 port gig oe 3750s

-Original Message-
From: "Andy Shook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: 1/29/08 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

3750s 24port PoE gig and 48port PoE 10/100, stacked via stackwise
cables, standard image and 8x5xNBD SMARTNET

HTH, 

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  
-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Hey Andy,

What model cisco did you go with?  

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Kurt,
It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new infrastructure
for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
negotiable.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.

Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.

3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
- I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
its knees back then with a simple ping flood.

Kurt

On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.
> It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and
the
> owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at
3com
> and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
>
>
>
> 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
>
>
>
> Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
>
>
>
> It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
heavy
> shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
was
> another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000
> range.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Andy Shook]

3750s 24port PoE gig and 48port PoE 10/100, stacked via stackwise
cables, standard image and 8x5xNBD SMARTNET

HTH, 

Shook
http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  
-Original Message-
From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Hey Andy,

What model cisco did you go with?  

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Kurt,
It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new infrastructure
for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
negotiable.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.

Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.

3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
- I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
its knees back then with a simple ping flood.

Kurt

On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.
> It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and
the
> owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at
3com
> and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
>
>
>
> 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
>
>
>
> Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
>
>
>
> It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
heavy
> shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
was
> another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000
> range.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Hey Andy,

What model cisco did you go with?  

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

Kurt,
It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new infrastructure
for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
negotiable.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.

Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.

3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
- I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
its knees back then with a simple ping flood.

Kurt

On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.
> It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and
the
> owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at
3com
> and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
>
>
>
> 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
>
>
>
> Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
>
>
>
> It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
heavy
> shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
was
> another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000
> range.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~
~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm>  ~

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Andy Shook]

Kurt,
It all depends on who you talk to.  When designing my new infrastructure
for our new building, I was able to get Cisco cheaper than HP or 3Com.
It's all about who you know and who knows you...everything is
negotiable.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.

Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.

3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
- I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
its knees back then with a simple ping flood.

Kurt

On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.
> It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and
the
> owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at
3com
> and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
>
>
>
> 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
>
>
>
> Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
>
>
>
> It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad
heavy
> shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there
was
> another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000
> range.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Kurt Buff]

We're going to be upgrading our network infrastructure soon as well.
We're definitely not going with Cisco - we're going with HP. I'm
looking for layer 3 stuff, as we have several subnets, but the 2800
series for the layer 2 stuff should be great.

Two reasons for that: Warranty/Return policy and pricing.

3Com left a bad taste in my mouth when I worked with them back in 2001
- I hope they're better now, but I was able to bring a 3Com switch to
its knees back then with a simple ping flood.

Kurt

On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm here.
> It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and the
> owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at 3com
> and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
>
>
>
> 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
>
>
>
> Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
>
>
>
> It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
> shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
> another model you like better by same or different vendor in the $2500-$3000
> range.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

True... but I really haven't seen too many used cisco 10/100/1000
switches around

 



From: Louis, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

There are plenty of good used Cisco switches out there. I've bought
quite a few for environments where I didn't want to drop brand new
equipment. They've all worked great. Of course, you will get some
heartburn trying to get Smartnet on them, but for the cost of 2 years of
Smartnet, you can buy an extra one :o) 

 



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...


If you can't afford Cisco, HP is a viable alternative.  3com if and only
if you are a Walmart shopper...

On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!

 






 


 






 


 

 





 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Haha ok... yes we are a Cisco shop at my main job and now I am trying to
talk the Prez at the other firm to going Cisco but I needed a secondary
choice on standby while the wallet is open.

 

Thanks..

 



From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

 


If you can't afford Cisco, HP is a viable alternative.  3com if and only
if you are a Walmart shopper...

On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!

 






 


 






 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tim Vander Kooi]

We have had some very bad situations using 3com switches here when using
POE. Lots of intermittent issues with the powered devices on the other
end of the line. We pulled all of our 3com out and replaced them with
Cisco and have been happy since.

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...

 


If you can't afford Cisco, HP is a viable alternative.  3com if and only
if you are a Walmart shopper...

On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!

 






 


 






 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Louis, Joe]

There are plenty of good used Cisco switches out there. I've bought quite a
few for environments where I didn't want to drop brand new equipment.
They've all worked great. Of course, you will get some heartburn trying to
get Smartnet on them, but for the cost of 2 years of Smartnet, you can buy
an extra one :o) 

  _  

From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch Purchase Question...



If you can't afford Cisco, HP is a viable alternative.  3com if and only if
you are a Walmart shopper...


On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:



I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm here.
It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and the
owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at 3com
and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the $2500-$3000
range.

 

 

Thanks!






























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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Don Ely]

If you can't afford Cisco, HP is a viable alternative.  3com if and only if
you are a Walmart shopper...

On Jan 29, 2008 6:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>  I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
> here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit
> and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking
> at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:
>
>
>
> 3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91
>
>
>
> Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port
>
>
>
> It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
> shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
> another model you like better by same or different vendor in the $2500-$3000
> range.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Switch Purchase Question...

[Ben Scott]

On Jan 29, 2008 9:13 AM, Chyka, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm here.

  IMO, you can't go wrong with the HP ProCurve line for switches.
Ours have all the features I could want (telnet, SSH, web GUI, VLANs,
MAC filtering, trunking, mirroring, SNMP, auto-diagnostics, more).
Good manuals.  They have better warranty, ease-of-use, and price than
Cisco.  Free basic management software.  Cisco may be king of routers,
but that doesn't necessarily translate to their switches being better.
 YMMV, of course.

  Haven't really used a 3Com switch since the 100 megabit days.  They
seemed good in terms of quality.  Didn't spend much time with the
management features, so I can't comment on that.

-- Ben

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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Jim Mediger]

Not familiar with the 3com's but we just switched out a netgear gigabit
switch with an HP Procurve 2900-48G and saw a 15% improvement in our CAD
department. Of course YMMV.

 

Jim

 

From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!

 

 





 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tom Strader]

We have the 2524's here Robert.
 


From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...




Thanks Tom  What gigabit model are you using for edge?  2848?

 



From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Robert,

 

We have used the HP Procurve Switches here for several years. No
problems at all, very easy to configure and you can separate ports into
different VLAN's if needed. They're stackable also and easily managed.

 

Tom

 

 

 



From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch Purchase Question...

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!

 






 

 
 
 

 

 





 











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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Hmm interesting so you would lean toward the 3Coms then?  A slight lean
it looks like?

 

Thanks!

 



From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

I've used both of those in their POE flavor.

 

The HP ones work great and come with free lifetime support. But out of 4
I bought at my last company I had to replace 2 or 3 for failures in the
first year. One was DOA out of the box. Once I got past that they worked
pretty well. I'm not sure if it was a bad batch since they were all
bought at the same time or what.

 

The 3Coms while not very sexy looking just seem to work. 

 

From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!

 

 










 
 


 

 





 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Martin Blackstone]

I've used both of those in their POE flavor.

 

The HP ones work great and come with free lifetime support. But out of 4 I
bought at my last company I had to replace 2 or 3 for failures in the first
year. One was DOA out of the box. Once I got past that they worked pretty
well. I'm not sure if it was a bad batch since they were all bought at the
same time or what.

 

The 3Coms while not very sexy looking just seem to work. 

 

From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm here.
It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go gigabit and the
owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I was looking at 3com
and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the $2500-$3000
range.

 

 

Thanks!

 

 







 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Chyka, Robert]

Thanks Tom  What gigabit model are you using for edge?  2848?

 



From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Switch Purchase Question...

 

 

Robert,

 

We have used the HP Procurve Switches here for several years. No
problems at all, very easy to configure and you can separate ports into
different VLAN's if needed. They're stackable also and easily managed.

 

Tom

 

 

 



From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch Purchase Question...

 

I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!

 






 

 
 
 

 

 





 


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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Tom Strader]

Robert,
 
We have used the HP Procurve Switches here for several years. No
problems at all, very easy to configure and you can separate ports into
different VLAN's if needed. They're stackable also and easily managed.
 
Tom
 
 



From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch Purchase Question...




I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!










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RE: Switch Purchase Question...

[Eldridge, Dave]

My second choice would always be HP for many reasons.
I have three of the 2848's. 



From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Switch Purchase Question...




I am looking to upgrade switching for a architectural/engineering firm
here.  It is a small network with 85 devices on it.  I want to go
gigabit and the owner probably wont spend the $$$ to get Cisco gear.  I
was looking at 3com and HP.  Here are the models I was looking at for
each vendor:

 

3Com Switch 4200G 48-Port 3CR17662-91

 

Hp ProCurve 2810-48G 48 Port

 

It is a flat network so I only need a layer 2 device.  It is a cad heavy
shop and I was wondering which one you would lean toward or if there was
another model you like better by same or different vendor in the
$2500-$3000 range.

 

 

Thanks!












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