Re: UPSes

[Devin Meade]

"The Symettra sends a shutdown signal" should really say "The Symettra sends
status to the windows servers and they are set to react to this status".

Hmm must read my own posts before sending...
Devin

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Devin Meade  wrote:

> I would agree on the cable issue.  I have a box with "APC Cables don't
> touch upon pain of death" written on it.  That said our Symettra LX is a
> tank.  Ours has a management card and it works with "APC Network Shutdown
> software" which is free on our windows servers.  The Symettra sends a
> shutdown signal to the servers from the management card.  We have had
> stellar support and apc has replaced bad batteries with no hassle.
>
> Devin
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Angus Scott-Fleming  > wrote:
>
>>  [correcting the gag-me-with-a-shovel apostrophized subject]
>>
>>  On 16 Apr 2010 at 10:37, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>
>>  > APC used to be wy ahead of the pack, but I don't find that to be
>> ture
>> > anymore.  Their quality has gone down a little, and the quality of the
>> other
>> > players in this space have gone up quite a bit.
>> >
>> > I'm fine with Tripplite, APC and CyberPower UPS products in the 500VA to
>> > 3000VA range.
>>
>>  The consensus in the current threads on UPS is "APC is the Cadillac" but
>> that you pay Cadillac prices for them.
>>
>>  One thing that really torques me about APC is their insistence on using
>> custom, non-standard interfaces like the $30+-to-replace RJ-50-to-USB cables
>> they currently use, and the $35+-to-replace non-standard "RS-232" cables
>> they used to use -- why not use a standard USB A-to-B cable like TrippLite?
>> G!
>>
>>  Most modern PCs no longer have RS-232 ports, so refurb units with RS-232
>> cables are off the table for my clients.  Once you add the cost of
>> purchasing and configuring a USB-to-RS-232 adapter, you've lost a good chunk
>> of the  cost savings and there's no guarantee the UPS software will work
>> with it.
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> Angus Scott-Fleming
>> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
>> 1-520-895-3270
>> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: UPSes

[Devin Meade]

I would agree on the cable issue.  I have a box with "APC Cables don't touch
upon pain of death" written on it.  That said our Symettra LX is a tank.
Ours has a management card and it works with "APC Network Shutdown software"
which is free on our windows servers.  The Symettra sends a shutdown signal
to the servers from the management card.  We have had stellar support and
apc has replaced bad batteries with no hassle.

Devin

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Angus Scott-Fleming
wrote:

>  [correcting the gag-me-with-a-shovel apostrophized subject]
>
>  On 16 Apr 2010 at 10:37, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>
>  > APC used to be wy ahead of the pack, but I don't find that to be
> ture
> > anymore.  Their quality has gone down a little, and the quality of the
> other
> > players in this space have gone up quite a bit.
> >
> > I'm fine with Tripplite, APC and CyberPower UPS products in the 500VA to
> > 3000VA range.
>
>  The consensus in the current threads on UPS is "APC is the Cadillac" but
> that you pay Cadillac prices for them.
>
>  One thing that really torques me about APC is their insistence on using
> custom, non-standard interfaces like the $30+-to-replace RJ-50-to-USB cables
> they currently use, and the $35+-to-replace non-standard "RS-232" cables
> they used to use -- why not use a standard USB A-to-B cable like TrippLite?
> G!
>
>  Most modern PCs no longer have RS-232 ports, so refurb units with RS-232
> cables are off the table for my clients.  Once you add the cost of
> purchasing and configuring a USB-to-RS-232 adapter, you've lost a good chunk
> of the  cost savings and there's no guarantee the UPS software will work
> with it.
>
>
>
>  --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-895-3270
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: UPSes

[Andrew S. Baker]

I feel that there is more parity in quality these days across brands.  That
makes it easier to choose equipment with the right connectors.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid

On Apr 21, 2010 11:20 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming"  wrote:

 [correcting the gag-me-with-a-shovel apostrophized subject]

 On 16 Apr 2010 at 10:37, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

 > APC used to be wy ahead of the pack, but I don't find that to be ture
> anymore.  Their quality has gone down a little, and the quality of the
other
> players in this space have gone up quite a bit.
>
> I'm fine with Tripplite, APC and CyberPower UPS products in the 500VA to
> 3000VA range.

 The consensus in the current threads on UPS is "APC is the Cadillac" but
that you pay Cadillac prices for them.

 One thing that really torques me about APC is their insistence on using
custom, non-standard interfaces like the $30+-to-replace RJ-50-to-USB cables
they currently use, and the $35+-to-replace non-standard "RS-232" cables
they used to use -- why not use a standard USB A-to-B cable like TrippLite?
G!

 Most modern PCs no longer have RS-232 ports, so refurb units with RS-232
cables are off the table for my clients.  Once you add the cost of
purchasing and configuring a USB-to-RS-232 adapter, you've lost a good chunk
of the  cost savings and there's no guarantee the UPS software will work
with it.





--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com...

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RE: UPSes

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

We purchased a handful of mid-sized TrippLite UPSes (somewhere between 1000 and 
3000 VA) for phone systems back in 2002/2003. The management interface was 
horrible, and the Management cards themselves were more than a little 
unreliable. If they were out of warranty, TrippLite offered ZERO support, not 
even a pay per incident. In order to get support I would have had to buy new 
management cards...

Needless to say we are a 100% APC shop now, and are satisfied. FWIW, we also 
bought infrastruXure manager to centrally manage all of our closet systems 
along with our Data Center.

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes

Re-asking the main question:

On 20 Apr 2010 at 19:08, Angus Scott-Fleming  wrote:

> Does anyone here have experience with their network software? APC wants $280
> for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console. TrippLite has a free
> network console for up to 250 stations.



--
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GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/








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Re: UPSes

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

[correcting the gag-me-with-a-shovel apostrophized subject]

On 16 Apr 2010 at 10:37, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> APC used to be wy ahead of the pack, but I don't find that to be ture
> anymore.  Their quality has gone down a little, and the quality of the other
> players in this space have gone up quite a bit. 
> 
> I'm fine with Tripplite, APC and CyberPower UPS products in the 500VA to
> 3000VA range. 

The consensus in the current threads on UPS is "APC is the Cadillac" but that 
you pay Cadillac prices for them.  

One thing that really torques me about APC is their insistence on using custom, 
non-standard interfaces like the $30+-to-replace RJ-50-to-USB cables they 
currently use, and the $35+-to-replace non-standard "RS-232" cables they used 
to use -- why not use a standard USB A-to-B cable like TrippLite?  G!

Most modern PCs no longer have RS-232 ports, so refurb units with RS-232 cables 
are off the table for my clients.  Once you add the cost of purchasing and 
configuring a USB-to-RS-232 adapter, you've lost a good chunk of the  cost 
savings and there's no guarantee the UPS software will work with it.



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/



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Re: UPSes

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

Re-asking the main question:

On 20 Apr 2010 at 19:08, Angus Scott-Fleming  wrote:

> Does anyone here have experience with their network software? APC wants $280
> for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console. TrippLite has a free
> network console for up to 250 stations. 



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/



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RE: UPSes

[Phillip Partipilo]

Eaton/Powerware/Best is another top notch brand. Probably more geared towards 
larger applications (?).  Worked with a rather large FerrUPS way back when.  It 
was pretty neat.  It had a wyse/vt100 terminal attached to it, and it could 
spit out, in a textmode graphic of sorts, a visual representation of the 
incoming AC waveform, amongst other cool things.  No PC or software needed, 
just a dumb terminal.  It was truly huge for its capacity, but I think that was 
already 10+ years old when I was started there, and it was still running strong 
5 years later when I left.


Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes

  I've also used Eaton (AKA PowerWare, AKA Best Power) UPSes before
with good results.  They also offer double conversion models.

-- Ben

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Re: UPSes

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:
> My overall experience with Tripp-Lite is a product that is designed to be
> basically disposable.  A product designed to last the life of the battery,
> at most.  Poor thermal management, overheating components, and overall low
> quality components.  Whereas APC units (especially SmartUPS models) are
> built like tanks.

  APC makes some cheap disposable stuff, too.  Several of the Back-UPS
model lines fall into that category.  The Back-UPS 500 LS seems to
have a penchant for overheating and killing itself, I've discovered.
But yah, heir Smart-UPS stuff is generally top-notch.

  I've had a few instances of trouble over the years with swollen
batteries in the Smart-UPS units, and I've heard reports of same on
this list.  I don't know if that was time of trouble, or if it's been
since fixed, or what.

  The APC "Line-R" voltage regulators seem to self-destruct after a
few years, always with the same failure mode (won't power up under
load).

  I know Tripp-Lite basics some outstanding TVSS units ("IsoBar").  I
agree that their cheap UPSes are poor quality.  One hopes their
high-end stuff is better, but I don't know.  They offer double
conversion models, which APC doesn't.  But if it's poor quality,
that's still no good.

  I've also used Eaton (AKA PowerWare, AKA Best Power) UPSes before
with good results.  They also offer double conversion models.

-- Ben

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Re: UPSes

[Roger Wright]

FWIW - I had opportunity to make a claim against APC's equipment
protection warranty a few years ago.  After supplying details they
honored the warranty and paid off the claim without a hassle.

I think APC's reputation is well-deserved.


Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2010 at 8:25, Reimer, Mark  wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks, I’ve done some (or tried to) research on the differences
>> between APC Backups vs Smart-UPS, or Tripp Lite SmartPro vs OmniSmart. One
>> set (Backups and OmniSmart) seem to be almost ½ price of the other set
>> (Smart-UPS and SmartPro) for the same rated VA/wattage. The only real
>> difference I can find is manageability. These will be for POE switches in
>> wiring closets. Any help/experience will be most appreciated. Thanks.
> FWIW I have both TrippLites and APCs at one client who has bought them here
> and there.  They have not installed the cables or software, and the cables
> have disappeared.  The new TrippLites use standard USB A-to-B cables, while
> the APCs use proprietary $30 RJ5-to-USB-A cables.  A bunch of their APCs are
> older, with RS-232 interfaces (proprietary APC $32 cable).  I'm about to
> replace most of the units without cables, and the TrippLites are about
> 20-25% less for the same specs.
> Does anyone here have experience with their network software?  APC wants
> $280 for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console.  TrippLite has a
> free network console for up to 250 stations.
>
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-895-3270
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: UPSes

[Ziots, Edward]

I might be a little baised, since I worked for APC as my first job and been a 
loyal supporter of their UPS's for years, but you just can't beat the quality 
of the systems, especially the Powerstructure systems, but I have either used 
or troubleshooted or supported everything from the Backup to Smart Ups to 
Matrix, Symmetrix and Powerstructure UPS over the last 10+ years, and again you 
can't beat the quality. 

 

Z

 

Edward Ziots

CISSP,MCSA,MCP+I,Security +,Network +,CCA

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

401-639-3505

ezi...@lifespan.org

 

From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes

 

My overall experience with Tripp-Lite is a product that is designed to be 
basically disposable.  A product designed to last the life of the battery, at 
most.  Poor thermal management, overheating components, and overall low quality 
components.  Whereas APC units (especially SmartUPS models) are built like 
tanks.  Granted I haven't worked with a Tripp-Lite in a bit over 5 years, thats 
just been the general taste of their products.  If you're concerned about 
money, purchase from refurbups.com.  The stuff I've got from them has been 
basically good as new, aside from some being old stock, usually rs232 instead 
of usb, for example, but can't beat the prices.  A single unit purchase from 
them of a sizable unit (say a 1000 or 750xl) will offset the cost of that 
software.

 

Sometimes they sell refurbed models that are well over EOL, but still good, 
like this one enormous 2200RMXL5U that I got a few years ago. Must weigh at 
least 150 pounds. Big momma of a UPS. They just dont make single (rackmount) 
units anymore like that, with massive runtime without additional battery packs.

 

Good prices on battery packs there, though ive searched around and found 
ragebattery.com to have the best prices on their Rhino branded SLA batteries, 
which you can buy as cases of batteries and disassemble your old RBC packs and 
rebuild a new pack in a matter of minutes.  Then dump the old batteries off at 
a local auto parts store.  They get paid a bounty so they're usually happy to 
take them off your hands for free.

 

 



From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes

 

On 16 Apr 2010 at 8:25, Reimer, Mark  wrote:

 

> 

> Hi folks, I've done some (or tried to) research on the differences

> between APC Backups vs Smart-UPS, or Tripp Lite SmartPro vs OmniSmart. One

> set (Backups and OmniSmart) seem to be almost ½ price of the other set

> (Smart-UPS and SmartPro) for the same rated VA/wattage. The only real

> difference I can find is manageability. These will be for POE switches in

> wiring closets. Any help/experience will be most appreciated. Thanks. 

 

FWIW I have both TrippLites and APCs at one client who has bought them here and 
there.  They have not installed the cables or software, and the cables have 
disappeared.  The new TrippLites use standard USB A-to-B cables, while the APCs 
use proprietary $30 RJ5-to-USB-A cables.  A bunch of their APCs are older, with 
RS-232 interfaces (proprietary APC $32 cable).  I'm about to replace most of 
the units without cables, and the TrippLites are about 20-25% less for the same 
specs.

 

Does anyone here have experience with their network software?  APC wants $280 
for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console.  TrippLite has a free 
network console for up to 250 stations.

 

 

 

--

Angus Scott-Fleming

GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona

1-520-895-3270

Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/

 

  

 

 

 

 

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RE: UPSes

[Phillip Partipilo]

My overall experience with Tripp-Lite is a product that is designed to be 
basically disposable.  A product designed to last the life of the battery, at 
most.  Poor thermal management, overheating components, and overall low quality 
components.  Whereas APC units (especially SmartUPS models) are built like 
tanks.  Granted I haven't worked with a Tripp-Lite in a bit over 5 years, thats 
just been the general taste of their products.  If you're concerned about 
money, purchase from refurbups.com.  The stuff I've got from them has been 
basically good as new, aside from some being old stock, usually rs232 instead 
of usb, for example, but can't beat the prices.  A single unit purchase from 
them of a sizable unit (say a 1000 or 750xl) will offset the cost of that 
software.

Sometimes they sell refurbed models that are well over EOL, but still good, 
like this one enormous 2200RMXL5U that I got a few years ago. Must weigh at 
least 150 pounds. Big momma of a UPS. They just dont make single (rackmount) 
units anymore like that, with massive runtime without additional battery packs.

Good prices on battery packs there, though ive searched around and found 
ragebattery.com to have the best prices on their Rhino branded SLA batteries, 
which you can buy as cases of batteries and disassemble your old RBC packs and 
rebuild a new pack in a matter of minutes.  Then dump the old batteries off at 
a local auto parts store.  They get paid a bounty so they're usually happy to 
take them off your hands for free.



From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes

On 16 Apr 2010 at 8:25, Reimer, Mark  wrote:

>
> Hi folks, I've done some (or tried to) research on the differences
> between APC Backups vs Smart-UPS, or Tripp Lite SmartPro vs OmniSmart. One
> set (Backups and OmniSmart) seem to be almost ½ price of the other set
> (Smart-UPS and SmartPro) for the same rated VA/wattage. The only real
> difference I can find is manageability. These will be for POE switches in
> wiring closets. Any help/experience will be most appreciated. Thanks.

FWIW I have both TrippLites and APCs at one client who has bought them here and 
there.  They have not installed the cables or software, and the cables have 
disappeared.  The new TrippLites use standard USB A-to-B cables, while the APCs 
use proprietary $30 RJ5-to-USB-A cables.  A bunch of their APCs are older, with 
RS-232 interfaces (proprietary APC $32 cable).  I'm about to replace most of 
the units without cables, and the TrippLites are about 20-25% less for the same 
specs.

Does anyone here have experience with their network software?  APC wants $280 
for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console.  TrippLite has a free 
network console for up to 250 stations.



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/







~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: UPSes

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 16 Apr 2010 at 8:25, Reimer, Mark  wrote:

> 
> Hi folks, I´ve done some (or tried to) research on the differences
> between APC Backups vs Smart-UPS, or Tripp Lite SmartPro vs OmniSmart. One
> set (Backups and OmniSmart) seem to be almost ½ price of the other set
> (Smart-UPS and SmartPro) for the same rated VA/wattage. The only real
> difference I can find is manageability. These will be for POE switches in
> wiring closets. Any help/experience will be most appreciated. Thanks. 

FWIW I have both TrippLites and APCs at one client who has bought them here and 
there.  They have not installed the cables or software, and the cables have 
disappeared.  The new TrippLites use standard USB A-to-B cables, while the APCs 
use proprietary $30 RJ5-to-USB-A cables.  A bunch of their APCs are older, with 
RS-232 interfaces (proprietary APC $32 cable).  I'm about to replace most of 
the units without cables, and the TrippLites are about 20-25% less for the same 
specs.

Does anyone here have experience with their network software?  APC wants $280 
for a 5-to-25-user version of their network console.  TrippLite has a free 
network console for up to 250 stations.



--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/



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~   ~

RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Ken Schaefer]

Because when the power fails, the most important thing is that people can still 
print! LOL

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 11:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes that restart servers.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The UPS the 2900 was plugged into was a Smart 1000,
> but because there were other things plugged into it as well, the battery
> life is a whopping 9 minutes.

  I once had a SOHO client who tried plugging their giant
high-capacity laser printer into the APC Smart-UPS running their
network server.  They were all upset when it dropped the load on loss
of utility power.  Needless to say, I don't consider that a failing of
the UPS.  :-)


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Re: UPSes that restart servers.

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The UPS the 2900 was plugged into was a Smart 1000,
> but because there were other things plugged into it as well, the battery
> life is a whopping 9 minutes.

  I once had a SOHO client who tried plugging their giant
high-capacity laser printer into the APC Smart-UPS running their
network server.  They were all upset when it dropped the load on loss
of utility power.  Needless to say, I don't consider that a failing of
the UPS.  :-)

-- Ben

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Jim Majorowicz]

I'll admit that this is what I thought would happen with this server, but it
was not the case.  It may have been because of a miscalculation on the
previous Tech's part.  The UPS the 2900 was plugged into was a Smart 1000,
but because there were other things plugged into it as well, the battery
life is a whopping 9 minutes.  The default setting of waiting until 10%
battery life didn't give the server enough time to shut down.  Not that any
of this was tested, but that's between me and the tech that made the
original recommendation.  I've decided to replace all the UPSes in that
server closet and am no figuring out the best way to manage the process.

 

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: UPSes that restart servers.

 

I have 15 Dell servers in 3 different locations.  they are all plugged into
APC brand units and they all come back up automatically after power comes
back on.  I intalled the APC units, and other than installing PowerChute did
not make any changes to bios or windows settings on any of those machines.

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: UPSes that restart servers.

[Jeff Brown]

I have 15 Dell servers in 3 different locations.  they are all plugged into
APC brand units and they all come back up automatically after power comes
back on.  I intalled the APC units, and other than installing PowerChute did
not make any changes to bios or windows settings on any of those machines.

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
> PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
> during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
> the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
> their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
> reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
> a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
> Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
> is reapplied?
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Re: UPSes that restart servers.

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Ames Matthew B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... UPS drops to say 20% remaining, it control shuts down your server ...
>  ... What will make the UPS start to supply power again?

  The APC Smart-UPS lines has an EEPROM setting that controls how long
the UPS waits.  You've got options for something like 10%, 50%, or 90%
minimum battery charge before output power is turned back on.  I
expect similar UPSes from other vendors have similar options.

> How do you turn the server back on, because it was shutdown cleanly the
> "restore last power state" in the BIOS won't work, although maybe "always
> on" might come up trumps.

  Exactly.  That's what that BIOS option is for.

>   - How do you get multiple servers back up if running from one UPS?

  Same way you do just one server; set the BIOS to "Power On on AC Restored".

  Service ordering can be a problem if you've got services which don't
cope well with having needed server up and that host boots faster than
the one it depends on.  I'd say the best way to address that kind of
issue is to have the service not blindly auto start, but instead find
some way to test availability of what it needs, and start the service
manually once the prerequisite comes up.

-- Ben

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Ames Matthew B]

Although, if you have a server running from a UPS (without the mains
feed, so your on batteries), and the UPS drops to say 20% remaining, it
control shuts down your server.
 
So the questions are:
 - What will make the UPS start to supply power again?
- Does it wait till it is fully recharged
- Does it just wait till it has a mains supply again (what happens
if the power supply goes again before the machine has got back into
windows and can't be control shut-down?)
 
  -  How do you turn the server back on, because it was shutdown cleanly
the "restore last power state" in the BIOS won't work, although maybe
"always on" might come up trumps.
 
  - How do you get multiple servers back up if running from one UPS?
You need need to drive a switch from the UPS too, and then have a master
machine which did WoL maybe to the other servers?
 
Cheers,
Matt



From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 March 2008 15:50
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.



Thanks Ben.  I guess I'm going to need to schedule some down time on
these servers and refresh my memory about what can be done with the
bios.

 

From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

Im not sure how to 'turn it on' other than set it in the bios to reboot
upon power loss or last state. APC has an option to cut power with their
web mgmt card that I saw long ago allowing the remote user to 'cycle'
power using the webcard on the apc. 

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

 

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down
servers during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution
that will turn the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers
have settings in their bios that can be set to start the server in the
event that power is reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP
Proliants (An old ML310 and a ML330) that I don't think have this
feature.  Is there something in the Full version of PowerChute that
would turn a server back on when the power is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 






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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Damien Solodow]

With the HP servers it's the iLo, and they've had them standard on
servers for at least 3 years now. 

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

I don't think so.  If they do, I'm not sure I've ever used it.

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

Do your HP servers have any sort of remote access cards in them similar
to DRAC cards in Dells?

 

It's a little web server embedded in a management chip that stays
powered on in the server as long the power supplies have power.  It
allows you to remote boot, reboot, kvm, etc...

 



From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down
servers during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution
that will turn the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers
have settings in their bios that can be set to start the server in the
event that power is reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP
Proliants (An old ML310 and a ML330) that I don't think have this
feature.  Is there something in the Full version of PowerChute that
would turn a server back on when the power is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

 

 

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Jim Majorowicz]

Thanks Ben.  I guess I'm going to need to schedule some down time on these
servers and refresh my memory about what can be done with the bios.

 

From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

Im not sure how to 'turn it on' other than set it in the bios to reboot upon
power loss or last state. APC has an option to cut power with their web mgmt
card that I saw long ago allowing the remote user to 'cycle' power using the
webcard on the apc. 

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

 

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Jim Majorowicz]

I don't think so.  If they do, I'm not sure I've ever used it.

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: UPSes that restart servers.

 

Do your HP servers have any sort of remote access cards in them similar to
DRAC cards in Dells?

 

It's a little web server embedded in a management chip that stays powered on
in the server as long the power supplies have power.  It allows you to
remote boot, reboot, kvm, etc...

 

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From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Benjamin Zachary]

Im not sure how to 'turn it on' other than set it in the bios to reboot upon
power loss or last state. APC has an option to cut power with their web mgmt
card that I saw long ago allowing the remote user to 'cycle' power using the
webcard on the apc. 

 

From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.

 

This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down servers
during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution that will turn
the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers have settings in
their bios that can be set to start the server in the event that power is
reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP Proliants (An old ML310 and
a ML330) that I don't think have this feature.  Is there something in the
Full version of PowerChute that would turn a server back on when the power
is reapplied?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: UPSes that restart servers.

[Sam Cayze]

Do your HP servers have any sort of remote access cards in them similar
to DRAC cards in Dells?
 
It's a little web server embedded in a management chip that stays
powered on in the server as long the power supplies have power.  It
allows you to remote boot, reboot, kvm, etc...



From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: UPSes that restart servers.



This may sound like a silly question, but I've only ever used APC and
PowerChute Basic with my servers, which is great at shutting down
servers during power outages and what not, but now I need a solution
that will turn the server back on.  I understand that my Dell servers
have settings in their bios that can be set to start the server in the
event that power is reapplied (PE2900), but I've a pair of older HP
Proliants (An old ML310 and a ML330) that I don't think have this
feature.  Is there something in the Full version of PowerChute that
would turn a server back on when the power is reapplied?

 

 

 

 






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