RE: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-29 Thread Sam Cayze 
+1.  Never seen a 2.5" not fire up over USB.



-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

I've got more than 20 different USB 2.5" enclosures sitting at this desk
alone (some are no-name, others branded: WD, Seagate, Lacie), and they've
worked on every laptop I've ever owned except the Dell D600. That includes a
Seagate 12.5mm 1TB model. I think that problem was solved years ago.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> Note that eSATA doesn't provide power. SO you'll need a USB cable (for
2.5"
> drives) or a regular power brick for 3.5" drives.

  Note also that spec USB can't provide enough power for many (most?) 2.5"
drives.  The double-plug USB cables are a hack that happens to work
sometimes -- maybe even most of the time -- but sometimes it doesn't.  And
when it doesn't, you can't do anything about it, since it wasn't "supposed"
to work in the first place.  So something with at least the option for an
external power supply is a good idea anyway.

-- Ben


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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-29 Thread Ben Scott 
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>>  Note also that spec USB can't provide enough power for many (most?) 2.5" 
>> drives.
>> The double-plug USB cables are a hack that happens to work sometimes -- maybe
>> even most of the time -- but sometimes it doesn't.
>
> I've got more than 20 different USB 2.5" enclosures sitting at this desk 
> alone (some
> are no-name, others branded: WD, Seagate, Lacie), and they've worked on every
> laptop I've ever owned except the Dell D600. That includes a Seagate 12.5mm 
> 1TB
> model. I think that problem was solved years ago.

  The USB spec says devices are allowed 100 mA to start, and can
negotiate up to 500 mA.  Most double plug hacks doesn't put any
intelligence on the second plug, so it can't negotiate anything.  This
violates the spec.  It's not a problem that can that can be "solved"
within terms of the spec.[1]  I've encounter a few systems over the
years that didn't like a given enclosure.  It's fairly random -- which
makes sense, since we're treading in the margins of error outside the
spec.

  I know you've got enough experience with IT that I shouldn't have to
explain the difference between "usually works, despite spec
violations" and "spec says it should work"[2].  :-)

-- Ben

[1] I imagine an enclosure could put some minimal intelligence on the
second plug, so that it could negotiate a full 1 A combined.  Some
enclosures may even do this.  But the cheaper ones I've encountered
don't.

[2] And of course "spec says it should work" doesn't always mean
"usually works".

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RE: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-29 Thread Ken Schaefer 
I've got more than 20 different USB 2.5" enclosures sitting at this desk alone 
(some are no-name, others branded: WD, Seagate, Lacie), and they've worked on 
every laptop I've ever owned except the Dell D600. That includes a Seagate 
12.5mm 1TB model. I think that problem was solved years ago.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> Note that eSATA doesn't provide power. SO you'll need a USB cable (for 2.5"
> drives) or a regular power brick for 3.5" drives.

  Note also that spec USB can't provide enough power for many (most?) 2.5" 
drives.  The double-plug USB cables are a hack that happens to work sometimes 
-- maybe even most of the time -- but sometimes it doesn't.  And when it 
doesn't, you can't do anything about it, since it wasn't "supposed" to work in 
the first place.  So something with at least the option for an external power 
supply is a good idea anyway.

-- Ben


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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-25 Thread Jon Harris 
I am a Partner and found that but the TechNet pro comes with 2 elearning
collections while the standard comes with only 1 collection.  Most of the
training I have had from the Partner site was more geared towards sales and
not real technical in nature I was hoping for TechNet Pro to enhance my
knowledge.  Final answer seems to be from Microsoft MAPS that it is Standard
and not Pro they want you more as a sales drone and not as a geeky tech
person that can actually fix the product.  Sorry, just seems a waste to pay
more and get less (in my case).

Thanks for all the assistance guys,

Jon

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Art DeKneef  wrote:

>  The version of TechNet that is included with the MAPS subscription is
> called TechNet for Microsoft Action Pack Solution Provider. You are right in
> that it is similar. They are all similar. Depending on the version of
> TechNet you are entitled to different benefits.
>
>
>
> For the version of TechNet included in MAPS you have access to the TechNet
> Portal, Technical Library downloads and access to more software. This extra
> software from TechNet is only for evaluation purposes only and can not be
> used in production. Software included in MAPS can be used in Production in
> your business. The big differences with this version of TechNet are that it
> does not include access to any of the E-Learning classes or two
> complimentary calls to PSS. So you have to decide which version is of the
> most benefit to you.
>
>
>
> If you are a Microsoft partner the info is available to you. If you are not
> a partner and am trying to find this information out I’m not sure it is
> easily found.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Art
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:09 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive
>
>
>
> I am looking to hook this up to a laptop specifically an ESATA port.  I
> would then use the external drive to house a Hyper-V server with all the
> virtual machines on that drive leaving my in-box laptop drive free for other
> things.  I know I could go with a desktop box a lot cheaper but it is not
> something to just pickup and carry around.  I have more time for testing and
> learning at places other than home so a laptop makes more sense.  I
> currently have a lot of time between things that I feel is wasted and would
> like to make the best use of my time.
>
>
>
> That was why I was also asking in another thread about which version of
> TechNet is included in a MAPS subscription.  So far all I can find out is
> that is it similar to the TechNet Pro but not necessarily the same.  As soon
> as I get a straight answer I will update that thread.
>
>
>
> Thanks for what you have given me so far.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> > Which vendor did you end you using?  CDW does not carry this model and
> the
> > ones I have seen are either only USB connectors, USB/Firewire connectors,
> or
> > multi-drive boxes for doing RAID 1.
>
>  My application is specifically for use with removable hard drives,
> so my solution may not be the best for your needs.  But:
>
>  I've got a bunch of DataPort 10 stuff in use.  Most of it's inside
> PCs, but I have an HD bay frame I keep around for attaching to PCs
> during cloning & trouble-shooting.  I've also got a slot bracket in
> each PC, which brings a SATA port and a Molex power connector out.  I
> plug the frame into that.  Not really a "throw it in the bag" solution
> (too exposed), but it works for the occasional usage.
>
> Frame: http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=5
> Carrier:
> http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=4
>
>  More recently, I've been eying the DataPort HotDock, which is
> basically the HD bay frame in an enclosure.  In addition to eSATA, it
> includes bridge chips for USB or FireWire attachment.  This will come
> in handy for a project I've got that's going to involve bringing a
> SATA drive out from inside a piece of test equipment -- no drive bays
> to put the HD bay frame in, but I can put the dock on top of it.
>
> http://www.cru-dataport.com/products/DataPort-HotDock.php
>
>  If you just want a single portable drive, their "DataPortable 350"
> appears to have an eSATA connector on the back, despite no mention of
> it in their marketing copy.  You may want to contact their sales
> people.  I know when I was looking previously, I wanted something with
> just a knob, not a key.  No mention

RE: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-25 Thread Art DeKneef 
The version of TechNet that is included with the MAPS subscription is called
TechNet for Microsoft Action Pack Solution Provider. You are right in that
it is similar. They are all similar. Depending on the version of TechNet you
are entitled to different benefits.

 

For the version of TechNet included in MAPS you have access to the TechNet
Portal, Technical Library downloads and access to more software. This extra
software from TechNet is only for evaluation purposes only and can not be
used in production. Software included in MAPS can be used in Production in
your business. The big differences with this version of TechNet are that it
does not include access to any of the E-Learning classes or two
complimentary calls to PSS. So you have to decide which version is of the
most benefit to you.

 

If you are a Microsoft partner the info is available to you. If you are not
a partner and am trying to find this information out I'm not sure it is
easily found.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Art

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

 

I am looking to hook this up to a laptop specifically an ESATA port.  I
would then use the external drive to house a Hyper-V server with all the
virtual machines on that drive leaving my in-box laptop drive free for other
things.  I know I could go with a desktop box a lot cheaper but it is not
something to just pickup and carry around.  I have more time for testing and
learning at places other than home so a laptop makes more sense.  I
currently have a lot of time between things that I feel is wasted and would
like to make the best use of my time.

 

That was why I was also asking in another thread about which version of
TechNet is included in a MAPS subscription.  So far all I can find out is
that is it similar to the TechNet Pro but not necessarily the same.  As soon
as I get a straight answer I will update that thread.

 

Thanks for what you have given me so far.

 

Jon

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> Which vendor did you end you using?  CDW does not carry this model and the
> ones I have seen are either only USB connectors, USB/Firewire connectors,
or
> multi-drive boxes for doing RAID 1.

 My application is specifically for use with removable hard drives,
so my solution may not be the best for your needs.  But:

 I've got a bunch of DataPort 10 stuff in use.  Most of it's inside
PCs, but I have an HD bay frame I keep around for attaching to PCs
during cloning & trouble-shooting.  I've also got a slot bracket in
each PC, which brings a SATA port and a Molex power connector out.  I
plug the frame into that.  Not really a "throw it in the bag" solution
(too exposed), but it works for the occasional usage.

Frame: http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//
<http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=5> &sel=5
Carrier: http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//
<http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=4> &sel=4

 More recently, I've been eying the DataPort HotDock, which is
basically the HD bay frame in an enclosure.  In addition to eSATA, it
includes bridge chips for USB or FireWire attachment.  This will come
in handy for a project I've got that's going to involve bringing a
SATA drive out from inside a piece of test equipment -- no drive bays
to put the HD bay frame in, but I can put the dock on top of it.

http://www.cru-dataport.com/products/DataPort-HotDock.php

 If you just want a single portable drive, their "DataPortable 350"
appears to have an eSATA connector on the back, despite no mention of
it in their marketing copy.  You may want to contact their sales
people.  I know when I was looking previously, I wanted something with
just a knob, not a key.  No mention on their website, but when I
contacted sales they gave me a P/N right away.  CDW was then able to
special order it from CRU.

http://www.cru-dataport.com/products/DataPortable-350.php

 There are plenty of other vendors out there making good stuff, too.
I just mentioned CRU because their stuff is right in front of me all
the time.


-- Ben

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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-25 Thread Ben Scott 
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> Note that eSATA doesn’t provide power. SO you’ll need a USB cable (for 2.5”
> drives) or a regular power brick for 3.5” drives.

  Note also that spec USB can't provide enough power for many (most?)
2.5" drives.  The double-plug USB cables are a hack that happens to
work sometimes -- maybe even most of the time -- but sometimes it
doesn't.  And when it doesn't, you can't do anything about it, since
it wasn't "supposed" to work in the first place.  So something with at
least the option for an external power supply is a good idea anyway.

-- Ben

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RE: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-25 Thread Ken Schaefer 
Note that eSATA doesn't provide power. SO you'll need a USB cable (for 2.5" 
drives) or a regular power brick for 3.5" drives.

There are some eSATAp ports on some laptops - these are a combination of a USB2 
port and an eSATA port in one. Provided you have an eSATAp cable, you can power 
a 2.5" drive off the one port. I bought some from Amazon.com and have been 
happy with those. I actually put SSDs in my external drive enclosures now, if I 
have eSATA or USB3 available.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 9:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

I am looking to hook this up to a laptop specifically an ESATA port.  I would 
then use the external drive to house a Hyper-V server with all the virtual 
machines on that drive leaving my in-box laptop drive free for other things.  I 
know I could go with a desktop box a lot cheaper but it is not something to 
just pickup and carry around.  I have more time for testing and learning at 
places other than home so a laptop makes more sense.  I currently have a lot of 
time between things that I feel is wasted and would like to make the best use 
of my time.

That was why I was also asking in another thread about which version of TechNet 
is included in a MAPS subscription.  So far all I can find out is that is it 
similar to the TechNet Pro but not necessarily the same.  As soon as I get a 
straight answer I will update that thread.

Thanks for what you have given me so far.

Jon
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jon Harris 
mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Which vendor did you end you using?  CDW does not carry this model and the
> ones I have seen are either only USB connectors, USB/Firewire connectors, or
> multi-drive boxes for doing RAID 1.
 My application is specifically for use with removable hard drives,
so my solution may not be the best for your needs.  But:

 I've got a bunch of DataPort 10 stuff in use.  Most of it's inside
PCs, but I have an HD bay frame I keep around for attaching to PCs
during cloning & trouble-shooting.  I've also got a slot bracket in
each PC, which brings a SATA port and a Molex power connector out.  I
plug the frame into that.  Not really a "throw it in the bag" solution
(too exposed), but it works for the occasional usage.

Frame: http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=5
Carrier: http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=4

 More recently, I've been eying the DataPort HotDock, which is
basically the HD bay frame in an enclosure.  In addition to eSATA, it
includes bridge chips for USB or FireWire attachment.  This will come
in handy for a project I've got that's going to involve bringing a
SATA drive out from inside a piece of test equipment -- no drive bays
to put the HD bay frame in, but I can put the dock on top of it.

http://www.cru-dataport.com/products/DataPort-HotDock.php

 If you just want a single portable drive, their "DataPortable 350"
appears to have an eSATA connector on the back, despite no mention of
it in their marketing copy.  You may want to contact their sales
people.  I know when I was looking previously, I wanted something with
just a knob, not a key.  No mention on their website, but when I
contacted sales they gave me a P/N right away.  CDW was then able to
special order it from CRU.

http://www.cru-dataport.com/products/DataPortable-350.php

 There are plenty of other vendors out there making good stuff, too.
I just mentioned CRU because their stuff is right in front of me all
the time.

-- Ben

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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-24 Thread Jon Harris 
I am looking to hook this up to a laptop specifically an ESATA port.  I
would then use the external drive to house a Hyper-V server with all the
virtual machines on that drive leaving my in-box laptop drive free for other
things.  I know I could go with a desktop box a lot cheaper but it is not
something to just pickup and carry around.  I have more time for testing and
learning at places other than home so a laptop makes more sense.  I
currently have a lot of time between things that I feel is wasted and would
like to make the best use of my time.

That was why I was also asking in another thread about which version of
TechNet is included in a MAPS subscription.  So far all I can find out is
that is it similar to the TechNet Pro but not necessarily the same.  As soon
as I get a straight answer I will update that thread.

Thanks for what you have given me so far.

Jon

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> > Which vendor did you end you using?  CDW does not carry this model and
> the
> > ones I have seen are either only USB connectors, USB/Firewire connectors,
> or
> > multi-drive boxes for doing RAID 1.
>
>  My application is specifically for use with removable hard drives,
> so my solution may not be the best for your needs.  But:
>
>  I've got a bunch of DataPort 10 stuff in use.  Most of it's inside
> PCs, but I have an HD bay frame I keep around for attaching to PCs
> during cloning & trouble-shooting.  I've also got a slot bracket in
> each PC, which brings a SATA port and a Molex power connector out.  I
> plug the frame into that.  Not really a "throw it in the bag" solution
> (too exposed), but it works for the occasional usage.
>
> Frame: http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=5
> Carrier:
> http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=4
>
>  More recently, I've been eying the DataPort HotDock, which is
> basically the HD bay frame in an enclosure.  In addition to eSATA, it
> includes bridge chips for USB or FireWire attachment.  This will come
> in handy for a project I've got that's going to involve bringing a
> SATA drive out from inside a piece of test equipment -- no drive bays
> to put the HD bay frame in, but I can put the dock on top of it.
>
> http://www.cru-dataport.com/products/DataPort-HotDock.php
>
>  If you just want a single portable drive, their "DataPortable 350"
> appears to have an eSATA connector on the back, despite no mention of
> it in their marketing copy.  You may want to contact their sales
> people.  I know when I was looking previously, I wanted something with
> just a knob, not a key.  No mention on their website, but when I
> contacted sales they gave me a P/N right away.  CDW was then able to
> special order it from CRU.
>
> http://www.cru-dataport.com/products/DataPortable-350.php
>
>  There are plenty of other vendors out there making good stuff, too.
> I just mentioned CRU because their stuff is right in front of me all
> the time.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-24 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> Which vendor did you end you using?  CDW does not carry this model and the
> ones I have seen are either only USB connectors, USB/Firewire connectors, or
> multi-drive boxes for doing RAID 1.

  My application is specifically for use with removable hard drives,
so my solution may not be the best for your needs.  But:

  I've got a bunch of DataPort 10 stuff in use.  Most of it's inside
PCs, but I have an HD bay frame I keep around for attaching to PCs
during cloning & trouble-shooting.  I've also got a slot bracket in
each PC, which brings a SATA port and a Molex power connector out.  I
plug the frame into that.  Not really a "throw it in the bag" solution
(too exposed), but it works for the occasional usage.

Frame: http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=5
Carrier: http://www.cru-dataport.com/slideshow.php?dir=//DataPort-10//&sel=4

  More recently, I've been eying the DataPort HotDock, which is
basically the HD bay frame in an enclosure.  In addition to eSATA, it
includes bridge chips for USB or FireWire attachment.  This will come
in handy for a project I've got that's going to involve bringing a
SATA drive out from inside a piece of test equipment -- no drive bays
to put the HD bay frame in, but I can put the dock on top of it.

http://www.cru-dataport.com/products/DataPort-HotDock.php

  If you just want a single portable drive, their "DataPortable 350"
appears to have an eSATA connector on the back, despite no mention of
it in their marketing copy.  You may want to contact their sales
people.  I know when I was looking previously, I wanted something with
just a knob, not a key.  No mention on their website, but when I
contacted sales they gave me a P/N right away.  CDW was then able to
special order it from CRU.

http://www.cru-dataport.com/products/DataPortable-350.php

  There are plenty of other vendors out there making good stuff, too.
I just mentioned CRU because their stuff is right in front of me all
the time.

-- Ben

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~   ~

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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-24 Thread Jon Harris 
Ben,

Which vendor did you end you using?  CDW does not carry this model and the
ones I have seen are either only USB connectors, USB/Firewire connectors, or
multi-drive boxes for doing RAID 1.

Thanks,

Jon

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

>  You know I had not thought to go down that path but it makes sense to
> look at it.  Drive + enclosure + cable might be cheaper and work better than
> spending hours trouble shooting a lower end drive.
>
> Thanks for the idea,
>
> Jon
>
>  On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>> > Have you played any with a LaCie ESATA drive?
>>
>>  Only eSATA stuff I've done is with regular drives put inside
>> enclosures from these people:
>>
>> http://www.cru-dataport.com/
>>
>>  The bundled drive+enclosure things are sometimes more expensive,
>> often limited as to what you can buy, usually not upgradable or
>> repairable, etc., etc.  This is just an ordinary drive so you know
>> exactly what you're getting.  CRU's enclosures are very well built.
>> Not as small or cheap as some, though.
>>
>> -- ben
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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-24 Thread Jon Harris 
You know I had not thought to go down that path but it makes sense to look
at it.  Drive + enclosure + cable might be cheaper and work better than
spending hours trouble shooting a lower end drive.

Thanks for the idea,

Jon

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> > Have you played any with a LaCie ESATA drive?
>
>  Only eSATA stuff I've done is with regular drives put inside
> enclosures from these people:
>
> http://www.cru-dataport.com/
>
>  The bundled drive+enclosure things are sometimes more expensive,
> often limited as to what you can buy, usually not upgradable or
> repairable, etc., etc.  This is just an ordinary drive so you know
> exactly what you're getting.  CRU's enclosures are very well built.
> Not as small or cheap as some, though.
>
> -- ben
>
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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-24 Thread Jon Harris 
ROFLMAO

To true!

Jon

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Jeff Steward  wrote:
> >> I saw a review on one site that killed any idea of me purchasing Iomega.
> >> Not compatable with x64 and I still can't figure that out.  How can
> >> something external know or care which OS or 32/64 it is, now a days?
> >
> > Hmmm...that puzzles me as well.
>
>  I'm not really puzzled.  I'm of the opinion that IOMega could screw
> anything up.
>
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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-24 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Jeff Steward  wrote:
>> I saw a review on one site that killed any idea of me purchasing Iomega.
>> Not compatable with x64 and I still can't figure that out.  How can
>> something external know or care which OS or 32/64 it is, now a days?
>
> Hmmm...that puzzles me as well.

  I'm not really puzzled.  I'm of the opinion that IOMega could screw
anything up.

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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-24 Thread Jeff Steward 
Hmmm...that puzzles me as well.

-Jeff

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> I saw a review on one site that killed any idea of me purchasing Iomega.
> Not compatable with x64 and I still can't figure that out.  How can
> something external know or care which OS or 32/64 it is, now a days?  That
> was why I was looking more at the LaCie ones.  I worked with a few of the
> USB 1.0 a couple of years ago and they worked well.  They were not 24x7x365
> but I did not expect them to be either.  Ran a couple into the ground just
> for testing.
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Jeff Steward  wrote:
>
>> I am looking to buy an eSATA drive soon as well.  I was looking at an
>> Iomega, but I'm still wary of them from ye olde Zip drive days.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>   On Mar 23, 2011 9:56 PM, "Jon Harris"  wrote:
>> > Thanks that is what I thought but need to confirm that. ESATA drives are
>> > not as common as I would have thought. Seagate and WD are not big
>> players
>> > in the field companies like LaCie are and others.
>> >
>> > Have you played any with a LaCie ESATA drive?
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Ben Scott 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Jon Harris 
>> wrote:
>> >> > Has anyone booted from a USB 2 drive? Was it fast or slow as a snail?
>> >>
>> >> USB speeds vary quite a lot, depending on the type of drive (flash,
>> >> Winchester, etc.), speed of drive (especially with flash, not all
>> >> drives are created equal), speed of bridge chip (for hard disks),
>> >> speed of USB host controller, phase of the moon, etc. But even at the
>> >> best of times, it's going to be somewhat pokey. And the cheap stuff
>> >> is painful.
>> >>
>> >> > What about ESATA slow or fast boot times?
>> >>
>> >> ESATA is just SATA with a slightly tweaked connector. It's
>> >> functionally identical to having the drive inside the box.
>> >>
>> >> -- Ben
>> >>
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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-23 Thread Ben Scott 
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> Have you played any with a LaCie ESATA drive?

  Only eSATA stuff I've done is with regular drives put inside
enclosures from these people:

http://www.cru-dataport.com/

  The bundled drive+enclosure things are sometimes more expensive,
often limited as to what you can buy, usually not upgradable or
repairable, etc., etc.  This is just an ordinary drive so you know
exactly what you're getting.  CRU's enclosures are very well built.
Not as small or cheap as some, though.

-- ben

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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-23 Thread Jon Harris 
I saw a review on one site that killed any idea of me purchasing Iomega.
Not compatable with x64 and I still can't figure that out.  How can
something external know or care which OS or 32/64 it is, now a days?  That
was why I was looking more at the LaCie ones.  I worked with a few of the
USB 1.0 a couple of years ago and they worked well.  They were not 24x7x365
but I did not expect them to be either.  Ran a couple into the ground just
for testing.

Jon

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Jeff Steward  wrote:

> I am looking to buy an eSATA drive soon as well.  I was looking at an
> Iomega, but I'm still wary of them from ye olde Zip drive days.
>
> -Jeff
>   On Mar 23, 2011 9:56 PM, "Jon Harris"  wrote:
> > Thanks that is what I thought but need to confirm that. ESATA drives are
> > not as common as I would have thought. Seagate and WD are not big players
> > in the field companies like LaCie are and others.
> >
> > Have you played any with a LaCie ESATA drive?
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Jon Harris 
> wrote:
> >> > Has anyone booted from a USB 2 drive? Was it fast or slow as a snail?
> >>
> >> USB speeds vary quite a lot, depending on the type of drive (flash,
> >> Winchester, etc.), speed of drive (especially with flash, not all
> >> drives are created equal), speed of bridge chip (for hard disks),
> >> speed of USB host controller, phase of the moon, etc. But even at the
> >> best of times, it's going to be somewhat pokey. And the cheap stuff
> >> is painful.
> >>
> >> > What about ESATA slow or fast boot times?
> >>
> >> ESATA is just SATA with a slightly tweaked connector. It's
> >> functionally identical to having the drive inside the box.
> >>
> >> -- Ben
> >>
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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-23 Thread Jeff Steward 
I am looking to buy an eSATA drive soon as well.  I was looking at an
Iomega, but I'm still wary of them from ye olde Zip drive days.

-Jeff
On Mar 23, 2011 9:56 PM, "Jon Harris"  wrote:
> Thanks that is what I thought but need to confirm that. ESATA drives are
> not as common as I would have thought. Seagate and WD are not big players
> in the field companies like LaCie are and others.
>
> Have you played any with a LaCie ESATA drive?
>
> Jon
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>> > Has anyone booted from a USB 2 drive? Was it fast or slow as a snail?
>>
>> USB speeds vary quite a lot, depending on the type of drive (flash,
>> Winchester, etc.), speed of drive (especially with flash, not all
>> drives are created equal), speed of bridge chip (for hard disks),
>> speed of USB host controller, phase of the moon, etc. But even at the
>> best of times, it's going to be somewhat pokey. And the cheap stuff
>> is painful.
>>
>> > What about ESATA slow or fast boot times?
>>
>> ESATA is just SATA with a slightly tweaked connector. It's
>> functionally identical to having the drive inside the box.
>>
>> -- Ben
>>
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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-23 Thread Jon Harris 
Thanks that is what I thought but need to confirm that.  ESATA drives are
not as common as I would have thought.  Seagate and WD are not big players
in the field companies like LaCie are and others.

Have you played any with a LaCie ESATA drive?

Jon

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> > Has anyone booted from a USB 2 drive?  Was it fast or slow as a snail?
>
>  USB speeds vary quite a lot, depending on the type of drive (flash,
> Winchester, etc.), speed of drive (especially with flash, not all
> drives are created equal), speed of bridge chip (for hard disks),
> speed of USB host controller, phase of the moon, etc.  But even at the
> best of times, it's going to be somewhat pokey.  And the cheap stuff
> is painful.
>
> > What about ESATA slow or fast boot times?
>
>  ESATA is just SATA with a slightly tweaked connector.  It's
> functionally identical to having the drive inside the box.
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: USB 2 or ESATA boot drive

2011-03-23 Thread Ben Scott 
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> Has anyone booted from a USB 2 drive?  Was it fast or slow as a snail?

  USB speeds vary quite a lot, depending on the type of drive (flash,
Winchester, etc.), speed of drive (especially with flash, not all
drives are created equal), speed of bridge chip (for hard disks),
speed of USB host controller, phase of the moon, etc.  But even at the
best of times, it's going to be somewhat pokey.  And the cheap stuff
is painful.

> What about ESATA slow or fast boot times?

  ESATA is just SATA with a slightly tweaked connector.  It's
functionally identical to having the drive inside the box.

-- Ben

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