RE: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

ENOUGH ALREADY!

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

Replied off-list.



From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

You forgot a tag, I'll add it for ya.



 - WJR

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 14:18, John Aldrich 
wrote:
No, I did not intend to come across as advocating a check for a green card.
Just hit a nerve when someone else mentioned a feeling like they were going
to explode when visiting Walmart. Merely commenting on the apparent cultural
behavior of recent immigrants (primarily Hispanics) in my area to bring
their whole family, including 12 kids under age 12, shopping with them, and
then not keeping them under control. I despise having noisy "ankle biters"
running around with little or no supervision interfering with my attempts to
shop. I'm always afraid that, in our litigious culture, one of them will run
out in front of my shopping cart, get knocked down and I'll be sued.

I have yet to see a single non-Hispanic family with a whole bunch of kids
running wild. Most people don't bring all their kids shopping with them. I
don't understand any culture that considers it appropriate to let young
children run around unsupervised in the store.

My *only* beef is with folks who bring a bunch of young kids to the grocery
store and then don't keep them under control. As I mentioned, I have yet to
see any non-Hispanic families behave this way. Surely with the way these
families tend to live in clusters, they could find a friend or relative to
look after the young kids, instead of bringing them along while they are
shopping.


Thanks,
John Aldrich
IT Manager,
Blueridge Carpet
706-276-2001, Ext. 2233




From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)
Those are largely my issues as well...

Maybe John is thinking they should have the greeters greet everyone with
"Papers Please" instead of "Welcome to Walmart"
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
To be clear, my issues with Wal-Mart have little to do with the other
shoppers (except I tend to dislike crowds).
My issues are: the ridiculously few number of lanes open relative to
shoppers wanting to checkout, the fact that 20 item express lanes aren't and
traffic issues when going to my Wal-Mart.  For the express lanes, associates
are expressly forbidden to refuse to check a cart that everyone can see has
more than 20 items in it.  A trip to Wal-Mart for me,  after work is a 90
minute affair for me considering traffic issues.  I could shorten it to 60
minutes if I want to go to one that is out of the way.  I can shorten it to
30 minutes if I wait until evenings or Saturday or Sunday mornings.
Wal-Mart is 2.5 miles from my house.
I'm a hunter, I go in, club/capture what I need as quickly as possible and
would like to be out as quickly as possible.  I only wish they would do the
self-checkout kiosks at our Wal-Mart, but it is too small.  That would
relieve a lot of my frustration.  Making the Wal-Mart run a solo event has
helped considerably.  I don't have to worry about leaving stragglers behind,
if we do have to make it a family affair we divide and conquer.
Then there's the whole way they do business, drive out competition and then
raise prices.  Although this practice seems to have decreased, or other
business have improved their supply and distribution sides well enough to
more closely compete with Wal-Mart.


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Yep. That's why, for my wife and I, at least, Wal-Mart is a place we rarely
shop. For groceries, we normally go to Bi-Lo or Kroger. Very rarely do we go
to Wal-Mart.




-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Wow.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot of
> "immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same time and
> bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-) and let them run around the store
> completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of their lungs and generally
> getting into everyone's way! :-(
>
>

RE: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

[John Aldrich]

Replied off-list.



From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

You forgot a tag, I'll add it for ya.



 - WJR

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 14:18, John Aldrich 
wrote:
No, I did not intend to come across as advocating a check for a green card.
Just hit a nerve when someone else mentioned a feeling like they were going
to explode when visiting Walmart. Merely commenting on the apparent cultural
behavior of recent immigrants (primarily Hispanics) in my area to bring
their whole family, including 12 kids under age 12, shopping with them, and
then not keeping them under control. I despise having noisy "ankle biters"
running around with little or no supervision interfering with my attempts to
shop. I'm always afraid that, in our litigious culture, one of them will run
out in front of my shopping cart, get knocked down and I'll be sued.

I have yet to see a single non-Hispanic family with a whole bunch of kids
running wild. Most people don't bring all their kids shopping with them. I
don't understand any culture that considers it appropriate to let young
children run around unsupervised in the store.

My *only* beef is with folks who bring a bunch of young kids to the grocery
store and then don't keep them under control. As I mentioned, I have yet to
see any non-Hispanic families behave this way. Surely with the way these
families tend to live in clusters, they could find a friend or relative to
look after the young kids, instead of bringing them along while they are
shopping.


Thanks,
John Aldrich
IT Manager,
Blueridge Carpet
706-276-2001, Ext. 2233




From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)
Those are largely my issues as well...
 
Maybe John is thinking they should have the greeters greet everyone with
"Papers Please" instead of "Welcome to Walmart"
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
To be clear, my issues with Wal-Mart have little to do with the other
shoppers (except I tend to dislike crowds).
My issues are: the ridiculously few number of lanes open relative to
shoppers wanting to checkout, the fact that 20 item express lanes aren't and
traffic issues when going to my Wal-Mart.  For the express lanes, associates
are expressly forbidden to refuse to check a cart that everyone can see has
more than 20 items in it.  A trip to Wal-Mart for me,  after work is a 90
minute affair for me considering traffic issues.  I could shorten it to 60
minutes if I want to go to one that is out of the way.  I can shorten it to
30 minutes if I wait until evenings or Saturday or Sunday mornings. 
Wal-Mart is 2.5 miles from my house.
I'm a hunter, I go in, club/capture what I need as quickly as possible and
would like to be out as quickly as possible.  I only wish they would do the
self-checkout kiosks at our Wal-Mart, but it is too small.  That would
relieve a lot of my frustration.  Making the Wal-Mart run a solo event has
helped considerably.  I don't have to worry about leaving stragglers behind,
if we do have to make it a family affair we divide and conquer.
Then there's the whole way they do business, drive out competition and then
raise prices.  Although this practice seems to have decreased, or other
business have improved their supply and distribution sides well enough to
more closely compete with Wal-Mart.

 
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Yep. That's why, for my wife and I, at least, Wal-Mart is a place we rarely
shop. For groceries, we normally go to Bi-Lo or Kroger. Very rarely do we go
to Wal-Mart.




-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Wow.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot of
> "immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same time and
> bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-) and let them run around the store
> completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of their lungs and generally
> getting into everyone's way! :-(
>
>
> Thanks,
> John Aldrich
> IT Manager,
> Blueridge Carpet
> 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:07 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Resume's
>
> Yes, it is.  As in almost every time I go in there I

RE: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

[Steven M. Caesare]

You amaze me.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:31 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)
> 
> Yep. That's why, for my wife and I, at least, Wal-Mart is a place we rarely
> shop. For groceries, we normally go to Bi-Lo or Kroger. Very rarely do we go
> to Wal-Mart.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:14 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> Wow.
> 
> -sc
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot
> > of "immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same
> > time and bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-) and let them run
> > around the store completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of
> > their lungs and generally getting into everyone's way! :-(
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John Aldrich
> > IT Manager,
> > Blueridge Carpet
> > 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:07 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Resume's
> >
> > Yes, it is.  As in almost every time I go in there I feel like I'm going to
> explode.
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Don Ely  wrote:
> > Walmart is da bomb!
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Link
> > 
> > wrote:
> > I think that would be more annoying than even going to the post
> > office.  One presumes the MBS has home delivery or can easily drop off
> > the bills in an easily accessible mailbox.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, John Aldrich
> >  wrote:
> > Well, you could always go to Walmart. They offer electronic
> > bill-payment through Western Union, I think. Not free, but still ?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:04 PM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business
> > account, but my personal account would have to change to a different
> > account type to get online billpay (Ive had this account for 25 years)
> > and I would lose some features I like having that they bank no longer
> > offers to new accounts.the online billpay is one of the change now!
> > enticements they offer to get people off the higher cost (to the bank)
> > accounts
> >
> > I guess Im a luddite.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who dont
> > have an online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them
> > (if theyre capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a
> > checkwhich costs me nothing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > Im irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my
> > monthly bills.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> > From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > That happened probably 14 years ago, before everybody had email.  My
> > resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at
> > the post office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?
> > Tell me Im not alone!
> >
> > From: Paul Hutchi

RE: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

[John Aldrich]

No, I did not intend to come across as advocating a check for a green card.
Just hit a nerve when someone else mentioned a feeling like they were going
to explode when visiting Walmart. Merely commenting on the apparent cultural
behavior of recent immigrants (primarily Hispanics) in my area to bring
their whole family, including 12 kids under age 12, shopping with them, and
then not keeping them under control. I despise having noisy "ankle biters"
running around with little or no supervision interfering with my attempts to
shop. I'm always afraid that, in our litigious culture, one of them will run
out in front of my shopping cart, get knocked down and I'll be sued.

I have yet to see a single non-Hispanic family with a whole bunch of kids
running wild. Most people don't bring all their kids shopping with them. I
don't understand any culture that considers it appropriate to let young
children run around unsupervised in the store.

My *only* beef is with folks who bring a bunch of young kids to the grocery
store and then don't keep them under control. As I mentioned, I have yet to
see any non-Hispanic families behave this way. Surely with the way these
families tend to live in clusters, they could find a friend or relative to
look after the young kids, instead of bringing them along while they are
shopping.


Thanks,
John Aldrich
IT Manager, 
Blueridge Carpet
706-276-2001, Ext. 2233





From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

Those are largely my issues as well...
 
Maybe John is thinking they should have the greeters greet everyone with
"Papers Please" instead of "Welcome to Walmart"
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
To be clear, my issues with Wal-Mart have little to do with the other
shoppers (except I tend to dislike crowds).
My issues are: the ridiculously few number of lanes open relative to
shoppers wanting to checkout, the fact that 20 item express lanes aren't and
traffic issues when going to my Wal-Mart.  For the express lanes, associates
are expressly forbidden to refuse to check a cart that everyone can see has
more than 20 items in it.  A trip to Wal-Mart for me,  after work is a 90
minute affair for me considering traffic issues.  I could shorten it to 60
minutes if I want to go to one that is out of the way.  I can shorten it to
30 minutes if I wait until evenings or Saturday or Sunday mornings. 
Wal-Mart is 2.5 miles from my house.
I'm a hunter, I go in, club/capture what I need as quickly as possible and
would like to be out as quickly as possible.  I only wish they would do the
self-checkout kiosks at our Wal-Mart, but it is too small.  That would
relieve a lot of my frustration.  Making the Wal-Mart run a solo event has
helped considerably.  I don't have to worry about leaving stragglers behind,
if we do have to make it a family affair we divide and conquer.
Then there's the whole way they do business, drive out competition and then
raise prices.  Although this practice seems to have decreased, or other
business have improved their supply and distribution sides well enough to
more closely compete with Wal-Mart.

 
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Yep. That's why, for my wife and I, at least, Wal-Mart is a place we rarely
shop. For groceries, we normally go to Bi-Lo or Kroger. Very rarely do we go
to Wal-Mart.




-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Wow.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot of
> "immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same time and
> bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-) and let them run around the store
> completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of their lungs and generally
> getting into everyone's way! :-(
>
>
> Thanks,
> John Aldrich
> IT Manager,
> Blueridge Carpet
> 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:07 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Resume's
>
> Yes, it is.  As in almost every time I go in there I feel like I'm going
to explode.
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Don Ely  wrote:
> Walmart is da bomb!
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> I think that would be more annoying than even going to the post office.
 One
> presumes the MBS has home del

Re: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

[Jonathan Link]

To be clear, my issues with Wal-Mart have little to do with the other
shoppers (except I tend to dislike crowds).
My issues are: the ridiculously few number of lanes open relative to
shoppers wanting to checkout, the fact that 20 item express lanes aren't and
traffic issues when going to my Wal-Mart.  For the express lanes, associates
are expressly forbidden to refuse to check a cart that everyone can see has
more than 20 items in it.  A trip to Wal-Mart for me,  after work is a 90
minute affair for me considering traffic issues.  I could shorten it to 60
minutes if I want to go to one that is out of the way.  I can shorten it to
30 minutes if I wait until evenings or Saturday or Sunday mornings.
Wal-Mart is 2.5 miles from my house.
I'm a hunter, I go in, club/capture what I need as quickly as possible and
would like to be out as quickly as possible.  I only wish they would do the
self-checkout kiosks at our Wal-Mart, but it is too small.  That would
relieve a lot of my frustration.  Making the Wal-Mart run a solo event has
helped considerably.  I don't have to worry about leaving stragglers behind,
if we do have to make it a family affair we divide and conquer.
Then there's the whole way they do business, drive out competition and then
raise prices.  Although this practice seems to have decreased, or other
business have improved their supply and distribution sides well enough to
more closely compete with Wal-Mart.


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> Yep. That's why, for my wife and I, at least, Wal-Mart is a place we rarely
> shop. For groceries, we normally go to Bi-Lo or Kroger. Very rarely do we go
> to Wal-Mart.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:14 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> Wow.
>
> -sc
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot of
> > "immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same time
> and
> > bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-) and let them run around the
> store
> > completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of their lungs and
> generally
> > getting into everyone's way! :-(
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John Aldrich
> > IT Manager,
> > Blueridge Carpet
> > 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:07 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Resume's
> >
> > Yes, it is.  As in almost every time I go in there I feel like I'm going
> to explode.
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Don Ely  wrote:
> > Walmart is da bomb!
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
> > wrote:
> > I think that would be more annoying than even going to the post office.
>  One
> > presumes the MBS has home delivery or can easily drop off the bills in an
> > easily accessible mailbox.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, John Aldrich
> >  wrote:
> > Well, you could always go to Walmart. They offer electronic bill-payment
> > through Western Union, I think. Not free, but still ?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:04 PM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account,
> but
> > my personal account would have to change to a different account type to
> get
> > online billpay (Ive had this account for 25 years) and I would lose some
> > features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new
> accounts.the
> > online billpay is one of the change now! enticements they offer to get
> > people off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts
> >
> > I guess Im a luddite.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
> >
> > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > I refuse. My bank has

Re: OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

[William Robbins]

Do you hear that sound going over your head John?  Wait...never mind.

 - WJR


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 13:30, John Aldrich wrote:

> Yep. That's why, for my wife and I, at least, Wal-Mart is a place we rarely
> shop. For groceries, we normally go to Bi-Lo or Kroger. Very rarely do we go
> to Wal-Mart.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:14 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> Wow.
>
> -sc
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot of
> > "immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same time
> and
> > bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-) and let them run around the
> store
> > completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of their lungs and
> generally
> > getting into everyone's way! :-(
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John Aldrich
> > IT Manager,
> > Blueridge Carpet
> > 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:07 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Resume's
> >
> > Yes, it is.  As in almost every time I go in there I feel like I'm going
> to explode.
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Don Ely  wrote:
> > Walmart is da bomb!
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
> > wrote:
> > I think that would be more annoying than even going to the post office.
>  One
> > presumes the MBS has home delivery or can easily drop off the bills in an
> > easily accessible mailbox.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, John Aldrich
> >  wrote:
> > Well, you could always go to Walmart. They offer electronic bill-payment
> > through Western Union, I think. Not free, but still ?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:04 PM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account,
> but
> > my personal account would have to change to a different account type to
> get
> > online billpay (Ive had this account for 25 years) and I would lose some
> > features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new
> accounts.the
> > online billpay is one of the change now! enticements they offer to get
> > people off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts
> >
> > I guess Im a luddite.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who dont
> have
> > an online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if
> theyre
> > capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a checkwhich costs
> me
> > nothing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > Im irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my
> monthly
> > bills.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> > From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Resume's
> >
> > That happened probably 14 years ago, before everybody had email.  My
> > resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at
> the
> > post office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me Im
> not
> > alone!
> >
> > From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 

RE: Resume's

[John Aldrich]

Must be hard working there, Jacob... ;-)



From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Bingo! ;-)

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

I believe that Jacob is referring to the particular video product that his 
company produces.

If you aren’t aware of it – perhaps you should visit his website. ☺

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

Wii does stream netflix now!

On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Jacob wrote:

I wish we could stream on Wiis or playstations ☹
 
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
Totally veering OT, but I only became a Netflix customer a week or so ago. I 
did it mainly for their streaming library, which has grown considerably since 
the last time I had checked. The only DVDs we have sent to us are for content 
that isn’t available via streaming.
 
And I have to say, I love it. LOVE IT! Seriously, this is how all content 
should be delivered. I have a Wii, so I get to Netflix that way. There’s a 
pretty big library, it couldn’t be easier to use, it’s cheap, and the quality 
is great. I love that I can access everything from my TV or my iPad or my 
laptop. And that if I pause a movie/show on one device, I can resume watching 
where I left off on another device.
 
I’m actually scaling back my cable to basic because of this. Between the basic 
channels and online options, I have all the programming I need.
 
 
 
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
Ok, so I’ll back down on that just a tad, because I’d have to agree with you 
there.
 
However, their streaming selection is growing, so at some point, I don’t think 
I personally will need or care for home delivery of DVDs…
 
Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
All I know is that my Netflix videos make it to me overnight, and back to them 
overnight—and I live in the middle of nowhere.
 
 
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
Years ago, we _USED_ to be able to drop off mail at the bulk mail center here 
in Greensboro, NC at midnight and it still went out _THAT NIGHT_. Slowly, 
they’ve dropped that time back. First it was to 11pm…then to 9pm…then 8pm…then 
5pm.
 
Up until sometime in the last year, we could at least still take mail out to 
the airport post office and it would go out that night if they had it by 
9pm…then 8pm…I went the other day and found out that their cutoff is now 5pm.
 
IMO, USPS (along with the IRS – Fair Tax, anyone?) has become a dinosaur that 
needs to just go on and die. I’m sick and tired of all the junk mail I get at 
the house anyway, and the mailbox is just one more thing that I have to 
navigate the mower around.
 
Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my monthly 
bills.
 
Regards,
 
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
That happened probably 14 years ago, before “everybody” had email.  My resume 
bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the post 
office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I’m not alone!
 
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more time 
has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
 
My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
 
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
T

OT -- mail, etc. (Was RE: Resume's)

[John Aldrich]

Yep. That's why, for my wife and I, at least, Wal-Mart is a place we rarely 
shop. For groceries, we normally go to Bi-Lo or Kroger. Very rarely do we go to 
Wal-Mart.




-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Wow.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot of
> "immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same time and
> bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-) and let them run around the store
> completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of their lungs and generally
> getting into everyone's way! :-(
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> John Aldrich
> IT Manager,
> Blueridge Carpet
> 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:07 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Resume's
> 
> Yes, it is.  As in almost every time I go in there I feel like I'm going to 
> explode.
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Don Ely  wrote:
> Walmart is da bomb!
> 
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> I think that would be more annoying than even going to the post office.  One
> presumes the MBS has home delivery or can easily drop off the bills in an
> easily accessible mailbox.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> Well, you could always go to Walmart. They offer electronic bill-payment
> through Western Union, I think. Not free, but still ?
> 
> 
> 
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:04 PM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account, but
> my personal account would have to change to a different account type to get
> online billpay (Ive had this account for 25 years) and I would lose some
> features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new accounts.the
> online billpay is one of the change now! enticements they offer to get
> people off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts
> 
> I guess Im a luddite.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who dont have
> an online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if theyre
> capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a checkwhich costs me
> nothing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> Im irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my monthly
> bills.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> That happened probably 14 years ago, before everybody had email.  My
> resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the
> post office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me Im not
> alone!
> 
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> Part of me thinks extra marks for effort  in a strange way it shows more
> time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
> 
> My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
> 
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined
> paper torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still cant believe we got it.
> 
> -Paul
> 
> From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Resum

RE: Resume's

[Steven M. Caesare]

Wow.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot of
> "immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same time and
> bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-) and let them run around the store
> completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of their lungs and generally
> getting into everyone's way! :-(
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> John Aldrich
> IT Manager,
> Blueridge Carpet
> 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:07 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Resume's
> 
> Yes, it is.  As in almost every time I go in there I feel like I'm going to 
> explode.
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Don Ely  wrote:
> Walmart is da bomb!
> 
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> I think that would be more annoying than even going to the post office.  One
> presumes the MBS has home delivery or can easily drop off the bills in an
> easily accessible mailbox.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> Well, you could always go to Walmart. They offer electronic bill-payment
> through Western Union, I think. Not free, but still… ☺
> 
> 
> 
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:04 PM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account, but
> my personal account would have to change to a different account type to get
> online billpay (I’ve had this account for 25 years) and I would lose some
> features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new accounts….the
> online billpay is one of the “change now!” enticements they offer to get
> people off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts…
> 
> I guess I’m a luddite.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who don’t have
> an online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if they’re
> capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a check—which costs me
> nothing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my monthly
> bills.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> That happened probably 14 years ago, before “everybody” had email.  My
> resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the
> post office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I’m not
> alone!
> 
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more
> time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
> 
> My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
> 
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
> 
> The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined
> paper torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can’t believe we got it.
> 
> -Paul
> 
> From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Resume's
> 
> Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):
> 
> - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really
> ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I
> am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1]
> podcasts

RE: Resume's

[John Aldrich]

Sorry, I'm trying to remember to switch to plain-text when I reply / post to 
this list, but I don't always remember.

Thanks,
John Aldrich
IT Manager, 
Blueridge Carpet
706-276-2001, Ext. 2233






From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

Thank goodness you replied. I simply couldn't have lived through the day 
without seeing your signature that's literally 8-10x larger than the actual 
content of the message.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, John Aldrich  
wrote:
Well, you could always go to Walmart. They offer electronic bill-payment 
through Western Union, I think. Not free, but still… ☺
 

 
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:04 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account, but 
my personal account would have to change to a different account type to get 
online billpay (I’ve had this account for 25 years) and I would lose some 
features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new accounts….the 
online billpay is one of the “change now!” enticements they offer to get people 
off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts…
 
I guess I’m a luddite.
 
Regards,
 
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who don’t have an 
online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if they’re 
capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a check—which costs me 
nothing.
 
 
 
 
John
 
 
 
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my monthly 
bills.
 
Regards,
 
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
That happened probably 14 years ago, before “everybody” had email.  My resume 
bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the post 
office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I’m not alone!
 
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more time 
has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
 
My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
 
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper torn 
from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can’t believe we got it.
 
-Paul
 
From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's
 
Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really 
ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I am 
also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1] 
podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical 
positions.
- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3 
other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and it 
means nothing.
- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results 
focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather 
reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the company 
either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc. For example 
(and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed Exchange messaging 
system that consistently provided 99.99% availability measured on an annual 
basis. Responded to all requests for adds/moves/changes for users at 100% 
within the defined SLA's"
- Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff" (stuff=performance 
metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times, etc.) start measuring 
it. Even if your management team doesn't care about it, you measure it anyway.
- Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
- Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I 

RE: Resume's

[John Aldrich]

ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot of 
"immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same time and 
bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-) and let them run around the store 
completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of their lungs and generally 
getting into everyone's way! :-(


Thanks,
John Aldrich
IT Manager, 
Blueridge Carpet
706-276-2001, Ext. 2233






From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

Yes, it is.  As in almost every time I go in there I feel like I'm going to 
explode.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Don Ely  wrote:
Walmart is da bomb! 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
I think that would be more annoying than even going to the post office.  One 
presumes the MBS has home delivery or can easily drop off the bills in an 
easily accessible mailbox.


 
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, John Aldrich  
wrote:
Well, you could always go to Walmart. They offer electronic bill-payment 
through Western Union, I think. Not free, but still… ☺
 

 
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:04 PM 

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account, but 
my personal account would have to change to a different account type to get 
online billpay (I’ve had this account for 25 years) and I would lose some 
features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new accounts….the 
online billpay is one of the “change now!” enticements they offer to get people 
off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts…
 
I guess I’m a luddite.
 
Regards,
 
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM 

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who don’t have an 
online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if they’re 
capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a check—which costs me 
nothing.
 
 
 
 
John
 
 
 
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my monthly 
bills.
 
Regards,
 
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
That happened probably 14 years ago, before “everybody” had email.  My resume 
bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the post 
office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I’m not alone!
 
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more time 
has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
 
My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
 
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's
 
The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper torn 
from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can’t believe we got it.
 
-Paul
 
From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's
 
Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really 
ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I am 
also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1] 
podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical 
positions.
- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3 
other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and it 
means nothing.
- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results 
focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather 
reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the company 
either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc. For example 
(and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed Exchange messaging 
system that consistently provided 99.99% availability measured on an annual 
basis. Responded to all req

Re: Resume's

[Don Ely]

It probably wouldn't work anyway if it was network enabled...

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:46 AM, John Aldrich  wrote:

> Hmm… Yeah… right now, I think my wife would shoot me if I tried to bring a
> computer into the living room, and we don’t have any of the other “network
> enabled” devices. It would be nice to have a Wii or Nintendo or something
> like that, but the closest thing *we* have is the **OLD** Nintendo system
> which is very much NOT network-enabled. :-)
>
>
> Thanks,
> John Aldrich
> IT Manager,
> Blueridge Carpet
> 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:44 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> Don’t need a smart TV. A Wii (as John already mentioned below), Xbox 360,
> one of several DVD/Blu Ray players, or even a computer with video-out all
> work.
>
> -sc
>
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:26 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> Well, we don’t have a “smart” TV (still using an old analog tube-type TV on
> satellite.) We *do*m however, patronize RedBox a fair amount. Hard to beat
> $1/night/dvd. ☺
>
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> Totally veering OT, but I only became a Netflix customer a week or so ago.
> I did it mainly for their streaming library, which has grown considerably
> since the last time I had checked. The only DVDs we have sent to us are for
> content that isn’t available via streaming.
>
> And I have to say, I love it. LOVE IT! Seriously, this is how all content
> should be delivered. I have a Wii, so I get to Netflix that way. There’s a
> pretty big library, it couldn’t be easier to use, it’s cheap, and the
> quality is great. I love that I can access everything from my TV or my iPad
> or my laptop. And that if I pause a movie/show on one device, I can resume
> watching where I left off on another device.
>
> I’m actually scaling back my cable to basic because of this. Between the
> basic channels and online options, I have all the programming I need.
>
>
>
> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:02 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> Ok, so I’ll back down on that just a tad, because I’d have to agree with
> you there.
>
> However, their streaming selection is growing, so at some point, I don’t
> think I personally will need or care for home delivery of DVDs…
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
> jra...@eaglemds.com
> www.eaglemds.com
> 
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:57 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> All I know is that my Netflix videos make it to me overnight, and back to
> them overnight—and I live in the middle of nowhere.
>
>
> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> Years ago, we _USED_ to be able to drop off mail at the bulk mail center
> here in Greensboro, NC at midnight and it still went out _THAT NIGHT_.
> Slowly, they’ve dropped that time back. First it was to 11pm…then to
> 9pm…then 8pm…then 5pm.
>
> Up until sometime in the last year, we could at least still take mail out
> to the airport post office and it would go out that night if they had it by
> 9pm…then 8pm…I went the other day and found out that their cutoff is now
> 5pm.
>
> IMO, USPS (along with the IRS – Fair Tax, anyone?) has become a dinosaur
> that needs to just go on and die. I’m sick and tired of all the junk mail I
> get at the house anyway, and the mailbox is just one more thing that I have
> to navigate the mower around.
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
> jra...@eaglemds.com
> www.eaglemds.com
> 
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Resume's
>
> I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my
> monthly bills.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialE

RE: Resume's

[John Aldrich]

Hmm… Yeah… right now, I think my wife would shoot me if I tried to bring a 
computer into the living room, and we don’t have any of the other “network 
enabled” devices. It would be nice to have a Wii or Nintendo or something like 
that, but the closest thing *we* have is the **OLD** Nintendo system which is 
very much NOT network-enabled. :-)


Thanks,
John Aldrich
IT Manager, 
Blueridge Carpet
706-276-2001, Ext. 2233





From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Don’t need a smart TV. A Wii (as John already mentioned below), Xbox 360, one 
of several DVD/Blu Ray players, or even a computer with video-out all work.

-sc

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Well, we don’t have a “smart” TV (still using an old analog tube-type TV on 
satellite.) We *do*m however, patronize RedBox a fair amount. Hard to beat 
$1/night/dvd. ☺



From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Totally veering OT, but I only became a Netflix customer a week or so ago. I 
did it mainly for their streaming library, which has grown considerably since 
the last time I had checked. The only DVDs we have sent to us are for content 
that isn’t available via streaming.

And I have to say, I love it. LOVE IT! Seriously, this is how all content 
should be delivered. I have a Wii, so I get to Netflix that way. There’s a 
pretty big library, it couldn’t be easier to use, it’s cheap, and the quality 
is great. I love that I can access everything from my TV or my iPad or my 
laptop. And that if I pause a movie/show on one device, I can resume watching 
where I left off on another device.

I’m actually scaling back my cable to basic because of this. Between the basic 
channels and online options, I have all the programming I need.



From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Ok, so I’ll back down on that just a tad, because I’d have to agree with you 
there.

However, their streaming selection is growing, so at some point, I don’t think 
I personally will need or care for home delivery of DVDs…

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

All I know is that my Netflix videos make it to me overnight, and back to them 
overnight—and I live in the middle of nowhere.


From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Years ago, we _USED_ to be able to drop off mail at the bulk mail center here 
in Greensboro, NC at midnight and it still went out _THAT NIGHT_. Slowly, 
they’ve dropped that time back. First it was to 11pm…then to 9pm…then 8pm…then 
5pm.

Up until sometime in the last year, we could at least still take mail out to 
the airport post office and it would go out that night if they had it by 
9pm…then 8pm…I went the other day and found out that their cutoff is now 5pm.

IMO, USPS (along with the IRS – Fair Tax, anyone?) has become a dinosaur that 
needs to just go on and die. I’m sick and tired of all the junk mail I get at 
the house anyway, and the mailbox is just one more thing that I have to 
navigate the mower around.

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my monthly 
bills.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

That happened probably 14 years ago, before “everybody” had email.  My resume 
bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the post 
office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I’m not alone!

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more time 
has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 

Re: Resume's

[Candee Vaglica]

Ditto!
::high five::

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Jeff Steward  wrote:

> Great, I've been here for 12 years so I have an employer sample of (1)  =)
>
> -Jeff Steward
>
>  On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>
>> Well said, Doug
>>
>> Especially when it comes to the cover letter.
>>
>> BTW, you get crazy points for a follow-up thank you card or letter.  Not
>> so much for a thank you email, but still ahead of those who don't
>> communicate at all post interview.
>>
>>
>> Oh, and we only really care about roles started within the past 10 years.
>>  Seriously.
>>
>> A resume is not an autobiography, or we wouldn't need to speak to you in
>> the interview.
>>
>>
>> *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker>
>> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
>> * *
>>
>>On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Doug Hampshire 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):
>>>
>>> - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't
>>> really ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly
>>> verbose. I am also a long-term, rabid follower of the
>>> www.manager-tools.com [1] podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1
>>> page resume for Technical positions.
>>>
>>> - For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have
>>> 3 other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
>>>
>>> - Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space
>>> and it means nothing.
>>>
>>> - For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and
>>> results focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But
>>> rather reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for
>>> the company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity,
>>> etc. For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and
>>> deployed Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99%
>>> availability measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for
>>> adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's"
>>>
>>> - Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
>>> (stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times,
>>> etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team doesn't care about
>>> it, you measure it anyway.
>>>
>>> - Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
>>>
>>> - Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on
>>> maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover
>>> letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of
>>> me reading your resume.
>>>
>>> - While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I
>>> usually don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety
>>> Day Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or
>>> it shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local
>>> charity and are trying to show management skills).
>>>
>>> - If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near
>>> the end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard
>>> of. I don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages
>>> crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And if
>>> you list it, you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of
>>> mastery of that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the
>>> Coworker install vSphere 4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and
>>> cut the stupid crap like listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually
>>> nothing, and if I do decide to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over
>>> and wet yourself.
>>>
>>> I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired
>>> (or not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here.
>>> http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/
>>>
>>> Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the
>>> years, it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that I've
&g

Re: Resume's

[Doug Hampshire]

Yes it does, and it rocks.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Eric Brouwer  wrote:

> Wii does stream netflix now!
>
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Jacob wrote:
>
> I wish we could stream on Wiis or playstations L
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle 
> [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us
> ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:14 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
> Totally veering OT, but I only became a Netflix customer a week or so ago.
> I did it mainly for their streaming library, which has grown considerably
> since the last time I had checked. The only DVDs we have sent to us are for
> content that isn’t available via streaming.
>
> And I have to say, I love it. LOVE IT! Seriously, this is how all content
> should be delivered. I have a Wii, so I get to Netflix that way. There’s a
> pretty big library, it couldn’t be easier to use, it’s cheap, and the
> quality is great. I love that I can access everything from my TV or my iPad
> or my laptop. And that if I pause a movie/show on one device, I can resume
> watching where I left off on another device.
>
> I’m actually scaling back my cable to basic because of this. Between the
> basic channels and online options, I have all the programming I need.
>
>
>
>

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RE: Resume's

[Charlie Kaiser]

Kinda like the one you want to deploy? :-)

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  


> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:19 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Resume's
> 
> Thank goodness you replied. I simply couldn't have lived through the day
without seeing
> your signature that's literally 8-10x larger than the actual content of
the message.



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Re: Resume's

[Doug Hampshire]

Big deal. Every thing on this list is cheap too.oh wait, that's not what
you meant.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:08 PM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> I’m a member of a credit union—everything is cheap or free there.  :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:04 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account,
> but my personal account would have to change to a different account type to
> get online billpay (I’ve had this account for 25 years) and I would lose
> some features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new
> accounts….the online billpay is one of the “change now!” enticements they
> offer to get people off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts…
>
>
>
> I guess I’m a luddite.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who don’t
> have an online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if
> they’re capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a check—which
> costs me nothing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my
> monthly bills.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> That happened probably 14 years ago, before “everybody” had email.  My
> resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the
> post office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I’m
> not alone!
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more
> time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
>
>
>
> My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* 15 September 2010 15:48
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper
> torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can’t believe we got it.
>
>
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Resume's
>
>
>
> Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):
>
> - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really
> ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I
> am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1]
> podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical
> positions.
> - For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3
> other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
> - Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and
> it means nothing.
> - For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results
> focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather
> reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the
> company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc.
> For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed
> Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99% availability
> measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for
> adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's"
> - Related to the point above If you

Re: Resume's

[Andrew S. Baker]

No, you're smart.  Don't lose functionality that cannot be replaced.  :)



*ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
*Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
* *
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account,
> but my personal account would have to change to a different account type to
> get online billpay (I’ve had this account for 25 years) and I would lose
> some features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new
> accounts….the online billpay is one of the “change now!” enticements they
> offer to get people off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts…
>
>
>
> I guess I’m a luddite.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who don’t
> have an online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if
> they’re capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a check—which
> costs me nothing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my
> monthly bills.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> That happened probably 14 years ago, before “everybody” had email.  My
> resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the
> post office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I’m
> not alone!
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more
> time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
>
>
>
> My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* 15 September 2010 15:48
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper
> torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can’t believe we got it.
>
>
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Resume's
>
>
>
> Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):
>
> - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really
> ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I
> am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1]
> podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical
> positions.
> - For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3
> other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
> - Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and
> it means nothing.
> - For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results
> focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather
> reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the
> company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc.
> For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed
> Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99% availability
> measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for
> adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's"
> - Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
> (stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times,
> etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team doesn't care about
> it, you measure it anyway

Re: Resume's

[Andrew S. Baker]

No, you're smart.  Don't lose functionality that cannot be replaced.  :)



*ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
*Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
* *
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account,
> but my personal account would have to change to a different account type to
> get online billpay (I’ve had this account for 25 years) and I would lose
> some features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new
> accounts….the online billpay is one of the “change now!” enticements they
> offer to get people off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts…
>
>
>
> I guess I’m a luddite.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who don’t
> have an online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if
> they’re capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a check—which
> costs me nothing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my
> monthly bills.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> That happened probably 14 years ago, before “everybody” had email.  My
> resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the
> post office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I’m
> not alone!
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more
> time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
>
>
>
> My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* 15 September 2010 15:48
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper
> torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can’t believe we got it.
>
>
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Resume's
>
>
>
> Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):
>
> - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really
> ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I
> am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1]
> podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical
> positions.
> - For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3
> other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
> - Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and
> it means nothing.
> - For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results
> focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather
> reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the
> company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc.
> For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed
> Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99% availability
> measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for
> adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's"
> - Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
> (stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times,
> etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team doesn't care about
> it, you measure it anyway

RE: Resume's

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

Ditto...


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

Great, I've been here for 12 years so I have an employer sample of (1)  =)

-Jeff Steward
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well said, Doug

Especially when it comes to the cover letter.

BTW, you get crazy points for a follow-up thank you card or letter.  Not so 
much for a thank you email, but still ahead of those who don't communicate at 
all post interview.



Oh, and we only really care about roles started within the past 10 years.  
Seriously.

A resume is not an autobiography, or we wouldn't need to speak to you in the 
interview.

ASB (My XeeSM Profile)<http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Doug Hampshire 
mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really 
ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I am 
also a long-term, rabid follower of the 
www.manager-tools.com<http://www.manager-tools.com> [1] podcasts/website, but I 
disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical positions.

- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3 
other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.

- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and it 
means nothing.

- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results 
focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather 
reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the company 
either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc. For example 
(and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed Exchange messaging 
system that consistently provided 99.99% availability measured on an annual 
basis. Responded to all requests for adds/moves/changes for users at 100% 
within the defined SLA's"

- Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff" (stuff=performance 
metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times, etc.) start measuring 
it. Even if your management team doesn't care about it, you measure it anyway.

- Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?

- Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on maybe 
20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover letters. 
Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of me reading 
your resume.

- While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I usually 
don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety Day 
Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or it 
shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local 
charity and are trying to show management skills).

- If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near the 
end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard of. I 
don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages crushed 
grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And if you list it, 
you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of mastery of that 
Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the Coworker install vSphere 
4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and cut the stupid crap like 
listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually nothing, and if I do decide 
to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over and wet yourself.

I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired (or 
not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here. 
http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/

Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the years, 
it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that I've shared 
these with all concur. YMMV.

[1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts. Your 
career will thank you.
[2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point.


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger 
mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets.

Oh, and FWIW - I'm a hiring manager. I won't read your 4 page resume. I might, 
at interview, but you'd never get that far.

From: "

Re: Resume's

[Jeff Steward]

Great, I've been here for 12 years so I have an employer sample of (1)  =)

-Jeff Steward

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> Well said, Doug
>
> Especially when it comes to the cover letter.
>
> BTW, you get crazy points for a follow-up thank you card or letter.  Not so
> much for a thank you email, but still ahead of those who don't communicate
> at all post interview.
>
>
> Oh, and we only really care about roles started within the past 10 years.
>  Seriously.
>
> A resume is not an autobiography, or we wouldn't need to speak to you in
> the interview.
>
>
> *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
> * *
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Doug Hampshire wrote:
>
>> Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):
>>
>> - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really
>> ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I
>> am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1]
>> podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical
>> positions.
>>
>> - For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3
>> other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
>>
>> - Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and
>> it means nothing.
>>
>> - For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and
>> results focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But
>> rather reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for
>> the company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity,
>> etc. For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and
>> deployed Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99%
>> availability measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for
>> adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's"
>>
>> - Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
>> (stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times,
>> etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team doesn't care about
>> it, you measure it anyway.
>>
>> - Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
>>
>> - Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on
>> maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover
>> letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of
>> me reading your resume.
>>
>> - While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I
>> usually don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety
>> Day Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or
>> it shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local
>> charity and are trying to show management skills).
>>
>> - If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near
>> the end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard
>> of. I don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages
>> crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And if
>> you list it, you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of
>> mastery of that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the
>> Coworker install vSphere 4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and
>> cut the stupid crap like listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually
>> nothing, and if I do decide to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over
>> and wet yourself.
>>
>> I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired
>> (or not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here.
>> http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/
>>
>> Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the
>> years, it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that I've
>> shared these with all concur. YMMV.
>>
>> [1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts. Your
>> career will thank you.
>> [2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger wrote:
>>
>>> Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets.
>>>
>>> Oh, and FWIW -

Re: Resume's

[Andrew S. Baker]

LOL


*ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
*Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
* *
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> I’m irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my
> monthly bills.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> That happened probably 14 years ago, before “everybody” had email.  My
> resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the
> post office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I’m
> not alone!
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more
> time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
>
>
>
> My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* 15 September 2010 15:48
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper
> torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can’t believe we got it.
>
>
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Resume's
>
>
>
> Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):
>
> - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really
> ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I
> am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1]
> podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical
> positions.
> - For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3
> other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
> - Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and
> it means nothing.
> - For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results
> focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather
> reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the
> company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc.
> For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed
> Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99% availability
> measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for
> adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's"
> - Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
> (stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times,
> etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team doesn't care about
> it, you measure it anyway.
> - Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
> - Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on
> maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover
> letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of
> me reading your resume.
> - While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I
> usually don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety
> Day Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or
> it shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local
> charity and are trying to show management skills).
> - If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near the
> end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard of.
> I don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages
> crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And if
> you list it, you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of
> mastery of that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the
> Coworker install vSphere 4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and
> cut the stupid crap like listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually
> nothing, and if I do decide to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over
> and wet yourself.
>
> I wrote a couple of Blog posts a 

RE: Resume's

[John Hornbuckle]

I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who don't have an 
online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if they're 
capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a check-which costs me 
nothing.




John



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

I'm irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my monthly 
bills.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

That happened probably 14 years ago, before "everybody" had email.  My resume 
bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the post 
office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I'm not alone!

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Part of me thinks extra marks for effort - in a strange way it shows more time 
has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.

My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper torn 
from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can't believe we got it.

-Paul

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really 
ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I am 
also a long-term, rabid follower of the 
www.manager-tools.com<http://www.manager-tools.com> [1] podcasts/website, but I 
disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical positions.
- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3 
other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and it 
means nothing.
- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results 
focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather 
reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the company 
either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc. For example 
(and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed Exchange messaging 
system that consistently provided 99.99% availability measured on an annual 
basis. Responded to all requests for adds/moves/changes for users at 100% 
within the defined SLA's"
- Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff" (stuff=performance 
metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times, etc.) start measuring 
it. Even if your management team doesn't care about it, you measure it anyway.
- Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
- Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on maybe 
20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover letters. 
Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of me reading 
your resume.
- While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I usually 
don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety Day 
Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or it 
shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local 
charity and are trying to show management skills).
- If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near the 
end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard of. I 
don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages crushed 
grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And if you list it, 
you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of mastery of that 
Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the Coworker install vSphere 
4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and cut the stupid crap like 
listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually nothing, and if I do decide 
to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over and wet yourself.

I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired (or 
not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here. 
http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/

Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the years, 
it turns out that a

RE: Resume's

[John Hornbuckle]

All I know is that my Netflix videos make it to me overnight, and back to them 
overnight-and I live in the middle of nowhere.


From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Years ago, we _USED_ to be able to drop off mail at the bulk mail center here 
in Greensboro, NC at midnight and it still went out _THAT NIGHT_. Slowly, 
they've dropped that time back. First it was to 11pm...then to 9pm...then 
8pm...then 5pm.

Up until sometime in the last year, we could at least still take mail out to 
the airport post office and it would go out that night if they had it by 
9pm...then 8pm...I went the other day and found out that their cutoff is now 
5pm.

IMO, USPS (along with the IRS - Fair Tax, anyone?) has become a dinosaur that 
needs to just go on and die. I'm sick and tired of all the junk mail I get at 
the house anyway, and the mailbox is just one more thing that I have to 
navigate the mower around.


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

I'm irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my monthly 
bills.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

That happened probably 14 years ago, before "everybody" had email.  My resume 
bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the post 
office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I'm not alone!

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Part of me thinks extra marks for effort - in a strange way it shows more time 
has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.

My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper torn 
from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can't believe we got it.

-Paul

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really 
ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I am 
also a long-term, rabid follower of the 
www.manager-tools.com<http://www.manager-tools.com> [1] podcasts/website, but I 
disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical positions.
- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3 
other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and it 
means nothing.
- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results 
focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather 
reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the company 
either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc. For example 
(and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed Exchange messaging 
system that consistently provided 99.99% availability measured on an annual 
basis. Responded to all requests for adds/moves/changes for users at 100% 
within the defined SLA's"
- Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff" (stuff=performance 
metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times, etc.) start measuring 
it. Even if your management team doesn't care about it, you measure it anyway.
- Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
- Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on maybe 
20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover letters. 
Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of me reading 
your resume.
- While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I usually 
don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety Day 
Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or it 
shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local 
charity and are trying to show management skills).

RE: Resume's

[Michael B. Smith]

I'm irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my monthly 
bills.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

That happened probably 14 years ago, before "everybody" had email.  My resume 
bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at the post 
office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell me I'm not alone!

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

Part of me thinks extra marks for effort - in a strange way it shows more time 
has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.

My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper torn 
from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can't believe we got it.

-Paul

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really 
ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I am 
also a long-term, rabid follower of the 
www.manager-tools.com<http://www.manager-tools.com> [1] podcasts/website, but I 
disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical positions.
- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3 
other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and it 
means nothing.
- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results 
focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather 
reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the company 
either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc. For example 
(and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed Exchange messaging 
system that consistently provided 99.99% availability measured on an annual 
basis. Responded to all requests for adds/moves/changes for users at 100% 
within the defined SLA's"
- Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff" (stuff=performance 
metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times, etc.) start measuring 
it. Even if your management team doesn't care about it, you measure it anyway.
- Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
- Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on maybe 
20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover letters. 
Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of me reading 
your resume.
- While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I usually 
don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety Day 
Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or it 
shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local 
charity and are trying to show management skills).
- If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near the 
end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard of. I 
don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages crushed 
grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And if you list it, 
you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of mastery of that 
Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the Coworker install vSphere 
4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and cut the stupid crap like 
listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually nothing, and if I do decide 
to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over and wet yourself.

I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired (or 
not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here. 
http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/

Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the years, 
it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that I've shared 
these with all concur. YMMV.

[1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts. Your 
career will thank you.
[2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger 
mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets.

Oh, and FWIW 

Re: Resume's

[Andrew S. Baker]

Well said, Doug

Especially when it comes to the cover letter.

BTW, you get crazy points for a follow-up thank you card or letter.  Not so
much for a thank you email, but still ahead of those who don't communicate
at all post interview.


Oh, and we only really care about roles started within the past 10 years.
 Seriously.

A resume is not an autobiography, or we wouldn't need to speak to you in the
interview.


*ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
*Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
* *
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Doug Hampshire wrote:

> Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):
>
> - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really
> ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I
> am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1]
> podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical
> positions.
>
> - For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3
> other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
>
> - Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and
> it means nothing.
>
> - For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results
> focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather
> reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the
> company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc.
> For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed
> Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99% availability
> measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for
> adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's"
>
> - Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
> (stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times,
> etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team doesn't care about
> it, you measure it anyway.
>
> - Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
>
> - Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on
> maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover
> letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of
> me reading your resume.
>
> - While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I
> usually don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety
> Day Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or
> it shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local
> charity and are trying to show management skills).
>
> - If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near the
> end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard of.
> I don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages
> crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And if
> you list it, you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of
> mastery of that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the
> Coworker install vSphere 4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and
> cut the stupid crap like listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually
> nothing, and if I do decide to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over
> and wet yourself.
>
> I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired
> (or not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here.
> http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/
>
> Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the
> years, it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that I've
> shared these with all concur. YMMV.
>
> [1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts. Your
> career will thank you.
> [2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger wrote:
>
>> Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets.
>>
>> Oh, and FWIW - I'm a hiring manager. I won't read your 4 page resume. I
>> might, at interview, but you'd never get that far.
>> --
>> *From: * "Sam Cayze" 
>> *Date: *Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:23:23 -0500
>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>> *Subject: *RE: Resume's
>>
>>  At first I gawked when I read **9** page resume, but then read on, 

RE: Resume's

[Maglinger, Paul]

That happened probably 14 years ago, before "everybody" had email.  My
resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at
the post office.  Some of you still remember those places, right?  Tell
me I'm not alone!

 

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

 

Part of me thinks extra marks for effort - in a strange way it shows
more time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different
places.

 

My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

 

The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined
paper torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can't believe we got
it.

 

-Paul

 

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't
really ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly
verbose. I am also a long-term, rabid follower of the
www.manager-tools.com [1] podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1
page resume for Technical positions.
- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have
3 other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space
and it means nothing.
- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and
results focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there.
But rather reword it into something that shows you did something
concrete for the company either through efficiencies, savings, improved
productivity, etc. For example (and of course always tell the truth)
"Designed and deployed Exchange messaging system that consistently
provided 99.99% availability measured on an annual basis. Responded to
all requests for adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined
SLA's"
- Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
(stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response
rates/times, etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team
doesn't care about it, you measure it anyway.
- Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
- Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on
maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover
letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds
of me reading your resume.
- While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I
usually don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm
Safety Day Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry
related, or it shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the
board of a local charity and are trying to show management skills).
- If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near
the end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have
heard of. I don't care if you're proficient in some software package
that manages crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a
winery. And if you list it, you darn well better have at least an
intermediate level of mastery of that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz.
You watching Bob the Coworker install vSphere 4.0 does not count as a
Technical Skill. Oh, and cut the stupid crap like listing NetBIOS and
NeiBEUI. That means virtually nothing, and if I do decide to quiz you on
that I bet you fail and roll over and wet yourself.

I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired
(or not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here.
http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/ 

Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the
years, it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that
I've shared these with all concur. YMMV.

[1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts.
Your career will thank you.
[2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point.

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger 
wrote:

Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets. 

Oh, and FWIW - I'm a hiring manager. I won't read your 4 page resume. I
might, at interview, but you'd never get that far. 

____

From: "Sam Cayze"  

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:23:23 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: RE: Resume's

 

At first I gawked when I read *9* page resume, but then read on, and
agree wit

Re: Resume's

[Doug Hampshire]

Those are easy to deal with, one key stroke .

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

> Part of me thinks extra marks for effort – in a strange way it shows more
> time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places.
>
>
>
> My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.
>
>
>
> *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> *Sent:* 15 September 2010 15:48
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Resume's
>
>
>
> The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined paper
> torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can’t believe we got it.
>
>
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Resume's
>
>
>
> Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):
>
> - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really
> ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I
> am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1]
> podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical
> positions.
> - For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3
> other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
> - Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and
> it means nothing.
> - For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results
> focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather
> reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the
> company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc.
> For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed
> Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99% availability
> measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for
> adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's"
> - Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
> (stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times,
> etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team doesn't care about
> it, you measure it anyway.
> - Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
> - Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on
> maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover
> letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of
> me reading your resume.
> - While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I
> usually don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety
> Day Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or
> it shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local
> charity and are trying to show management skills).
> - If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near the
> end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard of.
> I don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages
> crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And if
> you list it, you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of
> mastery of that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the
> Coworker install vSphere 4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and
> cut the stupid crap like listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually
> nothing, and if I do decide to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over
> and wet yourself.
>
> I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired
> (or not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here.
> http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/
>
> Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the
> years, it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that I've
> shared these with all concur. YMMV.
>
> [1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts. Your
> career will thank you.
> [2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point.
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger 
> wrote:
>
> Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets.
>
> Oh, and FWIW - I'm a hiring manager. I won't read your 4 page resume. I
> might, at interview, but you'd never get that far.
> --
>
> *From: *"Sam Cayze" 
>
> *Date: *Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:23:23 -0500
>
> *T

RE: Resume's

[Jacob]

Exactly… I have a 4 ½ running  resume. Listed just about every notable job,
certificate, educational course, responsibility, project, accomplishment,
and operational improvement.  I update it every 3 months.

 

If it comes time to look for another job, one in which I have the same
benefits as this one ;-), then I will pick and choose enough for two pages
that will related to that job.

 

From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Keep the drafts/full versions - those are your career management documents.
Just don't expect a hiring manager to read them :)

  _  

From: "William J. Robbins"  

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:56:48 +

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"  

Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Yeah I'm working on cutting mine down drastically. I'm at 3 pages. :P


WJR
- from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

  _  

From: "Gary Slinger"  

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:38:35 +

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"  

Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Present!

Seriously, that's good stuff to manage by, and therefore to use as a guide
from the other side. 

One-pager ideal, two-pages at the outside. 

  _  

From: William Robbins  

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:11:53 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: Re: Resume's

 

http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30

I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey b...@stard!

 - WJR



On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale 
wrote:

I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume but
really don’t know what’s currently the accepted format etc.

 

Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn’t mind sharing? I’d be
eternally grateful!

Thanks,

jlc 

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RE: Resume's

[Paul Hutchings]

Part of me thinks extra marks for effort - in a strange way it shows
more time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different
places.

 

My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents.

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Resume's

 

The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined
paper torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can't believe we got
it.

 

-Paul

 

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't
really ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly
verbose. I am also a long-term, rabid follower of the
www.manager-tools.com [1] podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1
page resume for Technical positions.
- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have
3 other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space
and it means nothing.
- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and
results focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there.
But rather reword it into something that shows you did something
concrete for the company either through efficiencies, savings, improved
productivity, etc. For example (and of course always tell the truth)
"Designed and deployed Exchange messaging system that consistently
provided 99.99% availability measured on an annual basis. Responded to
all requests for adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined
SLA's"
- Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
(stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response
rates/times, etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team
doesn't care about it, you measure it anyway.
- Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
- Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on
maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover
letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds
of me reading your resume.
- While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I
usually don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm
Safety Day Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry
related, or it shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the
board of a local charity and are trying to show management skills).
- If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near
the end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have
heard of. I don't care if you're proficient in some software package
that manages crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a
winery. And if you list it, you darn well better have at least an
intermediate level of mastery of that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz.
You watching Bob the Coworker install vSphere 4.0 does not count as a
Technical Skill. Oh, and cut the stupid crap like listing NetBIOS and
NeiBEUI. That means virtually nothing, and if I do decide to quiz you on
that I bet you fail and roll over and wet yourself.

I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired
(or not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here.
http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/ 

Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the
years, it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that
I've shared these with all concur. YMMV.

[1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts.
Your career will thank you.
[2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point.



On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger 
wrote:

Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets. 

Oh, and FWIW - I'm a hiring manager. I won't read your 4 page resume. I
might, at interview, but you'd never get that far. 

____

From: "Sam Cayze"  

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:23:23 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: RE: Resume's

 

At first I gawked when I read *9* page resume, but then read on, and
agree with how you did it.  IMO (and many others) - for sure have that
info avail, on request or as a separate attachment.  I would say: A
cover letter, a 1-4 page resume TOPS, portfolio/addenda, which also
includes letters of recommendation, documentation examples, references,
etc... 

 

A nice portfolio like this, put together well, shows of your seriousness
and organizational skills.  During an interview, it 

RE: Resume's

[Maglinger, Paul]

The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined
paper torn from a spiral bound notebook.  I still can't believe we got
it.

 

-Paul

 

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't
really ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly
verbose. I am also a long-term, rabid follower of the
www.manager-tools.com [1] podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1
page resume for Technical positions.
- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have
3 other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space
and it means nothing.
- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and
results focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there.
But rather reword it into something that shows you did something
concrete for the company either through efficiencies, savings, improved
productivity, etc. For example (and of course always tell the truth)
"Designed and deployed Exchange messaging system that consistently
provided 99.99% availability measured on an annual basis. Responded to
all requests for adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined
SLA's"
- Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
(stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response
rates/times, etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team
doesn't care about it, you measure it anyway.
- Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
- Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on
maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover
letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds
of me reading your resume.
- While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I
usually don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm
Safety Day Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry
related, or it shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the
board of a local charity and are trying to show management skills).
- If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near
the end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have
heard of. I don't care if you're proficient in some software package
that manages crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a
winery. And if you list it, you darn well better have at least an
intermediate level of mastery of that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz.
You watching Bob the Coworker install vSphere 4.0 does not count as a
Technical Skill. Oh, and cut the stupid crap like listing NetBIOS and
NeiBEUI. That means virtually nothing, and if I do decide to quiz you on
that I bet you fail and roll over and wet yourself.

I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired
(or not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here.
http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/ 

Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the
years, it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that
I've shared these with all concur. YMMV.

[1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts.
Your career will thank you.
[2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point.




On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger 
wrote:

Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets. 

Oh, and FWIW - I'm a hiring manager. I won't read your 4 page resume. I
might, at interview, but you'd never get that far. 



From: "Sam Cayze"  

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:23:23 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: RE: Resume's

 

At first I gawked when I read *9* page resume, but then read on, and
agree with how you did it.  IMO (and many others) - for sure have that
info avail, on request or as a separate attachment.  I would say: A
cover letter, a 1-4 page resume TOPS, portfolio/addenda, which also
includes letters of recommendation, documentation examples, references,
etc... 

 

A nice portfolio like this, put together well, shows of your seriousness
and organizational skills.  During an interview, it also gives the
interviewer plenty of pieces of paper to fumble through while they
awkwardly stumble for things to talk about...

 

Any resumes themselves in the 3-4 page range should be for senior
executive positions only.

 

Sam

 

From: MarvinC [mailto:marv...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:31 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Re: Resume's

[Doug Hampshire]

Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week):

- Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't really
ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. I
am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1]
podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical
positions.
- For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have 3
other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud.
- Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space and
it means nothing.
- For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and results
focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But rather
reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for the
company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, etc.
For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed
Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99% availability
measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for
adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's"
- Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff"
(stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times,
etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team doesn't care about
it, you measure it anyway.
- Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet?
- Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on
maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover
letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds of
me reading your resume.
- While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I
usually don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety
Day Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or
it shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local
charity and are trying to show management skills).
- If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near the
end, not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard of.
I don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages
crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And if
you list it, you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of
mastery of that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the
Coworker install vSphere 4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and
cut the stupid crap like listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually
nothing, and if I do decide to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over
and wet yourself.

I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired (or
not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here.
http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/

Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the
years, it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that I've
shared these with all concur. YMMV.

[1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts. Your
career will thank you.
[2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point.



On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger wrote:

> Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets.
>
> Oh, and FWIW - I'm a hiring manager. I won't read your 4 page resume. I
> might, at interview, but you'd never get that far.
> --
> *From: * "Sam Cayze" 
> *Date: *Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:23:23 -0500
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *RE: Resume's
>
>  At first I gawked when I read **9** page resume, but then read on, and
> agree with how you did it.  IMO (and many others) – *for sure have* that
> info avail, on request or as a separate attachment.  I would say: A cover
> letter, a 1-4 page resume *TOPS*, portfolio/addenda, which also includes
> letters of recommendation, documentation examples, references, etc…
>
>
>
> A nice portfolio like this, put together well, shows of your seriousness
> and organizational skills.  During an interview, it also gives the
> interviewer plenty of pieces of paper to fumble through while they awkwardly
> stumble for things to talk about…
>
>
>
> Any resumes themselves in the 3-4 page range should be for senior executive
> positions only.
>
>
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> *From:* MarvinC [mailto:marv...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:31 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Resume's
>
>
>
> One or two line summary followed

Re: Resume's

[Gary Slinger]

That first half of the first page piece is huge. 

-Original Message-
From: "Andrew S. Baker" 
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 06:00:43 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

You're going to see all sorts of advice on the internet for format and
length of resume.   Just bear the following in mind, and you should be fine:

*Format:*

Most people (recruiters and hiring managers) get disturbed when the format
is not most chronological, because they assume that something is hidden.  If
the format is compelling enough, they may not notice, however.


*Length:*

The *perfect* resume length is determined by two things, really.

   - What the hiring manager thinks is the perfect length
   - How many roles you've had AND how long your career has been


If you have had 1 job for 20 years, this is fairly easy to condense into a
single page.  If you have had 10 jobs in 10 years, this is a bit harder to
condense, AND you'll want a compelling story around that situation anyway,
to keep people from being scared about your transience.

On a whole, outside of pleasing the hiring manager (or recruiter, in some
cases), the overall length of your resume is not as critical as making sure
that the recipients attention is captured somewhere in the first half of the
first page.  They're not going to read past that if something doesn't catch
their attention very early on, so a 1 pager will fail just as easily as a 5
pager if they are not sufficiently intrigued or see potential fit in the
first half page.   (Also, bear in mind that many resumes are scanned and
matched electronically, so if you lack the keywords they are seeking, you
can lose there too.)

Most technical recruiters will be comfortable with a 2-3 page resume, and
since they're the ones dealing with the hiring manager, that means that the
hiring manager will be fine with it as well.

If you're applying directly with an organization, play it a little safer
with a 1 or 2 pager, but have the longer one on hand, as has been mentioned.


Sam's advice for multiple resume critiques is dead on, however there are a
number of places that will do them for free and provide quality work.
 Somewhere in the first 30% of your resume document should be a clear
summary of who you are -- a sum of your abilities.  No-one will read the
whole resume (even a single page) to find that out, nor do they want to
derive it from all your positions, so give it to them right up front.   And
focus on what you accomplished vs what your responsibilities were.  That's
what's important to recruiters and hiring managers alike.

Here are some recommendations for resume critiques and templates:

   - *http://www.anexpertresume.com/sample.htm*  -- Look at theses
   samples and adapt them to my own taste
   - *http://www.ceoresume.com* -- Celia
   Dorr offers a free resume critique, and she gives great advice
   - 
*http://www.jobdig.com/articles/1041/Four_Guerrilla-Style_Resumes.html*<http://www.jobdig.com/articles/1041/Four_Guerrilla-Style_Resumes.html>
--
   radical resume templates

*
*


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* *
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Joseph L. Casale  wrote:

>  I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
> but really don’t know what’s currently the accepted format etc.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn’t mind sharing? I’d be
> eternally grateful!
>
> Thanks,
>
> jlc
>
>
>

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Re: Resume's

[Gary Slinger]

Nope.  The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets. 

Oh, and FWIW - I'm a hiring manager.  I won't read your 4 page resume.   I 
might, at interview, but you'd never get that far.  

-Original Message-
From: "Sam Cayze" 
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:23:23 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Resume's

At first I gawked when I read *9* page resume, but then read on, and
agree with how you did it.  IMO (and many others) - for sure have that
info avail, on request or as a separate attachment.  I would say: A
cover letter, a 1-4 page resume TOPS, portfolio/addenda, which also
includes letters of recommendation, documentation examples, references,
etc... 

 

A nice portfolio like this, put together well, shows of your seriousness
and organizational skills.  During an interview, it also gives the
interviewer plenty of pieces of paper to fumble through while they
awkwardly stumble for things to talk about...

 

Any resumes themselves in the 3-4 page range should be for senior
executive positions only.

 

Sam

 

From: MarvinC [mailto:marv...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

 

One or two line summary followed by bullet points and everything should
be in chronological order. IT resumes aren't that hard to read depending
on the format used to describe your particular skillset and the job
you're seeking. So I say don't pay anyone unless you're desperate. I
suggest posting here first as I'm sure someone would gladly critique it
for you. My resume is currently up to 9 pages and filled with mostly
redundant info from jobs spanning the last 5 years. I don't list any
contracts lasting less than three (3) months and I keep a trimmed copy
that's forwarded to hiring managers when needed. I present the 9-page
booklet during the interview where I'm given the opportunity to expand
on what's listed because no one wants to read through all of the
gibberish.  


gl

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Gary Slinger 
wrote:

Keep the drafts/full versions - those are your career management
documents. Just don't expect a hiring manager to read them :)



From: "William J. Robbins"  

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:56:48 +

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"
 

Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Yeah I'm working on cutting mine down drastically. I'm at 3 pages. :P 


WJR
- from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."



From: "Gary Slinger"  

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:38:35 +

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"
 

Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Present!

Seriously, that's good stuff to manage by, and therefore to use as a
guide from the other side. 

One-pager ideal, two-pages at the outside. 

____

From: William Robbins  

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:11:53 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: Re: Resume's

 

http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30

I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey
b...@stard!

 - WJR



On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:

I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
but really don't know what's currently the accepted format etc.

 

Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn't mind sharing? I'd be
eternally grateful!

Thanks,

jlc 

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Re: Resume's

[Andrew S. Baker]

LOL

Trying to game the system will just incur wrath.Frankly, I find it easy
enough to get selected for the wrong roles without such a tactic that I
would never want to try using that method on purpose...


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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:07 AM, James Rankin  wrote:

> | bear in mind that many resumes are scanned and matched electronically, so
> if you lack the keywords they are
> | seeking, you can lose there too
>
> A guy I used to work with had a habit of putting every technology he could
> think of in the footer of his resume in white text, just so he would pop up
> in every electronic search match. Not very constructive when you're a DBA,
> and recruiters are trying to match you with TSM and SAN admin roles.
>
>
>
> --
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
> a question."
>
>
>

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Re: Resume's

[James Rankin]

| bear in mind that many resumes are scanned and matched electronically, so
if you lack the keywords they are
| seeking, you can lose there too

A guy I used to work with had a habit of putting every technology he could
think of in the footer of his resume in white text, just so he would pop up
in every electronic search match. Not very constructive when you're a DBA,
and recruiters are trying to match you with TSM and SAN admin roles.



-- 
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a question."

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Re: Resume's

[Andrew S. Baker]

You're going to see all sorts of advice on the internet for format and
length of resume.   Just bear the following in mind, and you should be fine:

*Format:*

Most people (recruiters and hiring managers) get disturbed when the format
is not most chronological, because they assume that something is hidden.  If
the format is compelling enough, they may not notice, however.


*Length:*

The *perfect* resume length is determined by two things, really.

   - What the hiring manager thinks is the perfect length
   - How many roles you've had AND how long your career has been


If you have had 1 job for 20 years, this is fairly easy to condense into a
single page.  If you have had 10 jobs in 10 years, this is a bit harder to
condense, AND you'll want a compelling story around that situation anyway,
to keep people from being scared about your transience.

On a whole, outside of pleasing the hiring manager (or recruiter, in some
cases), the overall length of your resume is not as critical as making sure
that the recipients attention is captured somewhere in the first half of the
first page.  They're not going to read past that if something doesn't catch
their attention very early on, so a 1 pager will fail just as easily as a 5
pager if they are not sufficiently intrigued or see potential fit in the
first half page.   (Also, bear in mind that many resumes are scanned and
matched electronically, so if you lack the keywords they are seeking, you
can lose there too.)

Most technical recruiters will be comfortable with a 2-3 page resume, and
since they're the ones dealing with the hiring manager, that means that the
hiring manager will be fine with it as well.

If you're applying directly with an organization, play it a little safer
with a 1 or 2 pager, but have the longer one on hand, as has been mentioned.


Sam's advice for multiple resume critiques is dead on, however there are a
number of places that will do them for free and provide quality work.
 Somewhere in the first 30% of your resume document should be a clear
summary of who you are -- a sum of your abilities.  No-one will read the
whole resume (even a single page) to find that out, nor do they want to
derive it from all your positions, so give it to them right up front.   And
focus on what you accomplished vs what your responsibilities were.  That's
what's important to recruiters and hiring managers alike.

Here are some recommendations for resume critiques and templates:

   - *http://www.anexpertresume.com/sample.htm*  -- Look at theses
   samples and adapt them to my own taste
   - *http://www.ceoresume.com* -- Celia
   Dorr offers a free resume critique, and she gives great advice
   - 
*http://www.jobdig.com/articles/1041/Four_Guerrilla-Style_Resumes.html*
--
   radical resume templates

*
*


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*Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
* *
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Joseph L. Casale  wrote:

>  I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
> but really don’t know what’s currently the accepted format etc.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn’t mind sharing? I’d be
> eternally grateful!
>
> Thanks,
>
> jlc
>
>
>

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RE: Resume's

[Sam Cayze]

At first I gawked when I read *9* page resume, but then read on, and
agree with how you did it.  IMO (and many others) - for sure have that
info avail, on request or as a separate attachment.  I would say: A
cover letter, a 1-4 page resume TOPS, portfolio/addenda, which also
includes letters of recommendation, documentation examples, references,
etc... 

 

A nice portfolio like this, put together well, shows of your seriousness
and organizational skills.  During an interview, it also gives the
interviewer plenty of pieces of paper to fumble through while they
awkwardly stumble for things to talk about...

 

Any resumes themselves in the 3-4 page range should be for senior
executive positions only.

 

Sam

 

From: MarvinC [mailto:marv...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resume's

 

One or two line summary followed by bullet points and everything should
be in chronological order. IT resumes aren't that hard to read depending
on the format used to describe your particular skillset and the job
you're seeking. So I say don't pay anyone unless you're desperate. I
suggest posting here first as I'm sure someone would gladly critique it
for you. My resume is currently up to 9 pages and filled with mostly
redundant info from jobs spanning the last 5 years. I don't list any
contracts lasting less than three (3) months and I keep a trimmed copy
that's forwarded to hiring managers when needed. I present the 9-page
booklet during the interview where I'm given the opportunity to expand
on what's listed because no one wants to read through all of the
gibberish.  


gl

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Gary Slinger 
wrote:

Keep the drafts/full versions - those are your career management
documents. Just don't expect a hiring manager to read them :)



From: "William J. Robbins"  

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:56:48 +

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"
 

Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Yeah I'm working on cutting mine down drastically. I'm at 3 pages. :P 


WJR
- from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."



From: "Gary Slinger"  

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:38:35 +

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"
 

Subject: Re: Resume's

 

Present!

Seriously, that's good stuff to manage by, and therefore to use as a
guide from the other side. 

One-pager ideal, two-pages at the outside. 



From: William Robbins  

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:11:53 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"


Subject: Re: Resume's

 

http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30

I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey
b...@stard!

 - WJR



On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:

I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
but really don't know what's currently the accepted format etc.

 

Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn't mind sharing? I'd be
eternally grateful!

Thanks,

jlc 

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Re: Resume's

[MarvinC]

One or two line summary followed by bullet points and everything should be
in chronological order. IT resumes aren't that hard to read depending
on the format used to describe your particular skillset and the job you're
seeking. So I say don't pay anyone unless you're desperate. I suggest
posting here first as I'm sure someone would gladly critique it for you. My
resume is currently up to 9 pages and filled with mostly redundant info
from jobs spanning the last 5 years. I don't list any contracts lasting less
than three (3) months and I keep a trimmed copy that's forwarded to hiring
managers when needed. I present the 9-page booklet during the interview
where I'm given the opportunity to expand on what's listed because no one
wants to read through all of the gibberish.

gl
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Gary Slinger wrote:

> Keep the drafts/full versions - those are your career management documents.
> Just don't expect a hiring manager to read them :)
> --
> *From: *"William J. Robbins" 
> *Date: *Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:56:48 +
>   *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" 
>
> *Subject: *Re: Resume's
>
> Yeah I'm working on cutting mine down drastically. I'm at 3 pages. :P
>
>
> WJR
> - from my Crackberry.
>
> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
> --
> *From: *"Gary Slinger" 
> *Date: *Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:38:35 +
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" 
>
> *Subject: *Re: Resume's
>
> Present!
>
> Seriously, that's good stuff to manage by, and therefore to use as a guide
> from the other side.
>
> One-pager ideal, two-pages at the outside.
> --
> *From: *William Robbins 
> *Date: *Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:11:53 -0500
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
> *Subject: *Re: Resume's
>
> http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30
>
> I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey b...@stard
> !
>
>  - WJR
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale  > wrote:
>
>>  I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
>> but really don’t know what’s currently the accepted format etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn’t mind sharing? I’d be
>> eternally grateful!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> jlc
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: Resume's

[William J. Robbins]

Oh yeah definitely keeping the "full length" one. :)
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Gary Slinger" 
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:58:12 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

Keep the drafts/full versions - those are your career management documents.  
Just don't expect a hiring manager to read them :)

-Original Message-
From: "William J. Robbins" 
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:56:48 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

Yeah I'm working on cutting mine down drastically. I'm at 3 pages. :P
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Gary Slinger" 
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:38:35 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

Present!

Seriously, that's good stuff to manage by, and therefore to use as a guide from 
the other side. 

One-pager ideal, two-pages at the outside. 

-Original Message-
From: William Robbins 
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:11:53 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30

I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey b...@stard!

 - WJR


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale
wrote:

>  I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
> but really don’t know what’s currently the accepted format etc.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn’t mind sharing? I’d be
> eternally grateful!
>
> Thanks,
>
> jlc
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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Re: Resume's

[Gary Slinger]

Keep the drafts/full versions - those are your career management documents.  
Just don't expect a hiring manager to read them :)

-Original Message-
From: "William J. Robbins" 
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:56:48 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

Yeah I'm working on cutting mine down drastically. I'm at 3 pages. :P
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Gary Slinger" 
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:38:35 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

Present!

Seriously, that's good stuff to manage by, and therefore to use as a guide from 
the other side. 

One-pager ideal, two-pages at the outside. 

-Original Message-
From: William Robbins 
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:11:53 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30

I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey b...@stard!

 - WJR


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale
wrote:

>  I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
> but really don’t know what’s currently the accepted format etc.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn’t mind sharing? I’d be
> eternally grateful!
>
> Thanks,
>
> jlc
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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Re: Resume's

[William J. Robbins]

Yeah I'm working on cutting mine down drastically. I'm at 3 pages. :P
 
WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

-Original Message-
From: "Gary Slinger" 
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:38:35 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

Present!

Seriously, that's good stuff to manage by, and therefore to use as a guide from 
the other side. 

One-pager ideal, two-pages at the outside. 

-Original Message-
From: William Robbins 
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:11:53 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30

I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey b...@stard!

 - WJR


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale
wrote:

>  I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
> but really don’t know what’s currently the accepted format etc.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn’t mind sharing? I’d be
> eternally grateful!
>
> Thanks,
>
> jlc
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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Re: Resume's

[Gary Slinger]

Present!

Seriously, that's good stuff to manage by, and therefore to use as a guide from 
the other side. 

One-pager ideal, two-pages at the outside. 

-Original Message-
From: William Robbins 
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:11:53 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Resume's

http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30

I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey b...@stard!

 - WJR


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale
wrote:

>  I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
> but really don’t know what’s currently the accepted format etc.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn’t mind sharing? I’d be
> eternally grateful!
>
> Thanks,
>
> jlc
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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RE: Resume's

[Sam Cayze]

Pay 3 resume firms to revise/review it.  They will each have their own
recommendations, and some of them may suck.  I just heard of someone
paying a reviewer $200, to which said to make a 2 page chronological
resume with every position dating back to 1984 - none of which applied
to the position they were applying for (Not good). 

 

I paid 3 companies to review mine, ($50 - $100 each) had about 5
colleagues review it, my end result was about 10 resumes each catering
to the type of business of I was applying for.  (Small / Medium / Type
of Job / etc).  I opted for a hybrid-skills/chronological format.

 

Landed a great I.T. job in 1 week, albeit that was 6 years ago.

 

IMO, YMMV, WTF, RTFM, ETC :)

 

(Source - a bunch of business writing courses I took, and my very close
friend being a recruiter who reads resumes every day)

 

Good Luck!

 

Sam

 

From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Resume's

 

I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
but really don't know what's currently the accepted format etc.

 

Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn't mind sharing? I'd be
eternally grateful!

Thanks,

jlc 

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Re: Resume's

[William Robbins]

http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30

I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey b...@stard!

 - WJR


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale
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>  I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume
> but really don’t know what’s currently the accepted format etc.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn’t mind sharing? I’d be
> eternally grateful!
>
> Thanks,
>
> jlc
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
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Resume's

[Joseph L. Casale]

I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume but 
really don't know what's currently the accepted format etc.

Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldn't mind sharing? I'd be 
eternally grateful!

Thanks,
jlc

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