RE: Staff training

[Ralph Smith]

Good to know, thanks.

 

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Staff training

 

I like the Train Signal discs.

James

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Ralph Smith 
wrote:

 

Thanks, i'll check those two resources as well.

 

I appreciate all the comments.  

 

 



 

Another option is to check the local community colleges. Some of them
have IT Tracks and much better pricing.

 



 

I use Global Knowledge and they are great.  If you do a boot camp, they
even give you free vouchers to take the tests.  Sometimes they have a
buy 2 get 1 free deal.  I believe they also have deals that allow
managers to purchase a few vouchers and have the staff take the classes
whenever they like.  They also do onsite training as well.

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

 

Another option is to check the local community colleges. Some of them
have IT Tracks and much better pricing.

 

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ralph Smith
 wrote:


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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Re: Staff training

[James Kerr]

I like the Train Signal discs.

James

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Ralph Smith wrote:

> **
>
> Thanks, i'll check those two resources as well.
>
> I appreciate all the comments.
>
>
>  --
>
>
> Another option is to check the local community colleges. Some of them have
> IT Tracks and much better pricing.
>
>  --
>
>  I use Global Knowledge and they are great.  If you do a boot camp, they
> even give you free vouchers to take the tests.  Sometimes they have a buy 2
> get 1 free deal.  I believe they also have deals that allow managers to
> purchase a few vouchers and have the staff take the classes whenever they
> like.  They also do onsite training as well.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:19 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Staff training
>
> ** **
>
> Another option is to check the local community colleges. Some of them have
> IT Tracks and much better pricing.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ralph Smith 
> wrote:
>
>
> This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
> staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
> Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
> If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
> Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
> Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
> ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
> about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
> and one three day course.
>
> The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
> three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.
>
> For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
> classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
> classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
> training from places like Trainsignal?
>
> I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
> haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
> experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
> and some good books, but I was looking for something more
> formal/structured.
>
> Appreciate any comments and advice.
>
> Ralph
>
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RE: Staff training

[Ralph Smith]

 
Thanks, i'll check those two resources as well.
 
I appreciate all the comments.  
 
 


 

Another option is to check the local community colleges. Some of them
have IT Tracks and much better pricing.





I use Global Knowledge and they are great.  If you do a boot camp, they
even give you free vouchers to take the tests.  Sometimes they have a
buy 2 get 1 free deal.  I believe they also have deals that allow
managers to purchase a few vouchers and have the staff take the classes
whenever they like.  They also do onsite training as well.

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

 

Another option is to check the local community colleges. Some of them
have IT Tracks and much better pricing.

 

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ralph Smith
 wrote:


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Jimmy Tran]

I use Global Knowledge and they are great.  If you do a boot camp, they
even give you free vouchers to take the tests.  Sometimes they have a
buy 2 get 1 free deal.  I believe they also have deals that allow
managers to purchase a few vouchers and have the staff take the classes
whenever they like.  They also do onsite training as well.

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

 

Another option is to check the local community colleges. Some of them
have IT Tracks and much better pricing.

 

 

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ralph Smith
 wrote:


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Kennedy, Jim]

Another option is to check the local community colleges. Some of them have IT 
Tracks and much better pricing.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ralph Smith 
mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org>> wrote:

This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Maglinger, Paul]

Those aren't bad.  I took a few of those before taking a classroom course.  
They helped me get even more out of the class.

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

Good idea.  Most of our software comes either through Techsoup, which if
you are unfamiliar with it is a kind of middleman for Microsoft software
donations, or occasionally purchasing through MS Open Charity Licensing.
Looking on the MS Volume License Service Center I don't have any
vouchers, but I do have some access to MS e-learning through our Technet
subscription.

-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

What kind of licensing agreement do you have with Microsoft?  Sometimes
you can get training credits with your agreements that will cover the
cost of most of the classes (which I think were more around $3000-3500
range each). 

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Ralph Smith]

Good idea.  Most of our software comes either through Techsoup, which if
you are unfamiliar with it is a kind of middleman for Microsoft software
donations, or occasionally purchasing through MS Open Charity Licensing.
Looking on the MS Volume License Service Center I don't have any
vouchers, but I do have some access to MS e-learning through our Technet
subscription.

-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

What kind of licensing agreement do you have with Microsoft?  Sometimes
you can get training credits with your agreements that will cover the
cost of most of the classes (which I think were more around $3000-3500
range each). 

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Ziots, Edward]

What I was alluding too, and sometimes the training centers might offer
you a better deal if you can negotiate with them to handle the training
onsite at your site. 

Yep seen the same price for the same training so if you can get it at
1/3 the price why wouldn't you...

Z

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505



-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

What kind of licensing agreement do you have with Microsoft?  Sometimes
you can get training credits with your agreements that will cover the
cost of most of the classes (which I think were more around $3000-3500
range each). 

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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Re: Staff training

[Erik Goldoff]

Send one each to each of the 5 day courses.  Then that person must train the
other two on his/her class.  ( train the trainer )
Prove they learned the required material in the class by teaching it to
others.
Possibly the other two get self study materials before the first trains
them.

maybe all three to the three day class.

Rework the numbers with this scenario and see if more palatable

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ralph Smith wrote:

>
> This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
> staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
> Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
> If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
> Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
> Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
> ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
> about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
> and one three day course.
>
> The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
> three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.
>
> For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
> classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
> classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
> training from places like Trainsignal?
>
> I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
> haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
> experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
> and some good books, but I was looking for something more
> formal/structured.
>
> Appreciate any comments and advice.
>
> Ralph
>
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RE: Staff training

[Ralph Smith]

Hmm, like somebody from a local college?  Where would you find someone
to do onsite training?  I'll have to investigate. 

-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

I agree with Dave on this one, I think that 27K for 3 people is a little
steep. If you could provide the resources on-site and have someone come
train you at your site, possibly you get the training for less and get a
lot more out of it, because you can apply it directly to how your
network works and what your folks need. 

EZ

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
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-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

" Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and
rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen
times."

Sounds like our production environment!

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

The value of classroom training is completely dependent on the
instructor. An instructor who knows what the heck s/he is talking about
and has real experience in the product is invaluable. An instructor who
reviewed the MOC and ran through it the weekend before the class started
and has little-to-no real experience is worthless.

As an instructor myself, I've sat through both kinds of training
classes.

I would say that the number you quote is just a little on the high side,
but it's in line with a quality training class.

Some people learn better in a classroom environment. Others learn better
with books. Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing
and rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several
dozen times.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Ralph Smith]

There's no need or mandate to have staff with certifications. My thought
was that I would like to bring the skill level here up a notch or two,
and working towards certification would provide a goal, give the staff
something tangible as a result of their effort, and help them
career-wise.

 

I'd like to get them each to take at least one training with a live
instructor if I can.  I think there is benefit to that experience .

 

As Sherry suggests, sending one person to each class and having them
come back and train the others could work.  

I'll definitely set up a lab environment for them here (actually they
can do it themselves) and use the video training to supplement or
replace the classroom training, as well as using self guided tutorials,
etc.

 

I was just wondering what was common elsewhere for staff development.

 

Anyone have experience with Trainsignal or other similar products?

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Staff training

 

I agree with most of what Michael already outlined. I'd also like to
point out that there are employee's who see that type of formal training
as a vacation from work. and really get nothing out of it. You should
also evaluate and try to quantify what you or your company is trying to
get out of this. For example, is the need to have a certain number of in
house employees with MCITP certification? If that is the business
driver, then at least you know what the requirements are. If not, then
trying a combination of multiple forms of training might make more
sense. You could license one of the video series, and have the employees
work from home for a week to complete the course, for a fraction of that
$27000 figure. You could also consider the Boot Camps, which virtually
guarantee certification, but at a much higher cost. 


Chris Bodnar, MCSE, MCITP
Technical Support III
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003 



From:"Ralph Smith"  
To:"NT System Admin Issues"
 
Date:    10/12/2011 12:17 PM 
Subject:Staff training 







This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Maglinger, Paul]

What kind of licensing agreement do you have with Microsoft?  Sometimes you can 
get training credits with your agreements that will cover the cost of most of 
the classes (which I think were more around $3000-3500 range each). 

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Ziots, Edward]

I agree with Dave on this one, I think that 27K for 3 people is a little
steep. If you could provide the resources on-site and have someone come
train you at your site, possibly you get the training for less and get a
lot more out of it, because you can apply it directly to how your
network works and what your folks need. 

EZ

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505



-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

" Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and
rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen
times."

Sounds like our production environment!

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

The value of classroom training is completely dependent on the
instructor. An instructor who knows what the heck s/he is talking about
and has real experience in the product is invaluable. An instructor who
reviewed the MOC and ran through it the weekend before the class started
and has little-to-no real experience is worthless.

As an instructor myself, I've sat through both kinds of training
classes.

I would say that the number you quote is just a little on the high side,
but it's in line with a quality training class.

Some people learn better in a classroom environment. Others learn better
with books. Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing
and rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several
dozen times.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Ralph Smith]

I'll check into that - thanks for the suggestion.  

-Original Message-
From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:sabercrom...@nhdallas.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

When I was working at a non-profit when someone was sent to training
they were required to come back and cross-train their co-workers.  You
might consider something like sending each of them to a different class
and then having them cross-train one another.  Just a way to stretch
your training budget.

Also, since I work at New Horizons in Dallas, have you talked to your
account executive at NH?  Specifically ask them about OLL training
(Online Live), it is instructor led training that is in a virtual
classroom, interactive with the instructor, setup like traditional ILT
classes but can be done from anywhere.  We highly recommend dual
monitors for OLL, but otherwise it can be done from their home or in
your office if you have a suitable place.

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Sherry Abercrombie]

When I was working at a non-profit when someone was sent to training they were 
required to come back and cross-train their co-workers.  You might consider 
something like sending each of them to a different class and then having them 
cross-train one another.  Just a way to stretch your training budget.

Also, since I work at New Horizons in Dallas, have you talked to your account 
executive at NH?  Specifically ask them about OLL training (Online Live), it is 
instructor led training that is in a virtual classroom, interactive with the 
instructor, setup like traditional ILT classes but can be done from anywhere.  
We highly recommend dual monitors for OLL, but otherwise it can be done from 
their home or in your office if you have a suitable place.

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

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Ralph

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Re: Staff training

[Joseph Heaton]

We have a local company that we use for most of our training.  We were able, a 
few years ago, to buy vouchers.  We put our annual training budget into these, 
and are able to use them whenever, without expiration.  Then, we watch their 
weekly newsletter, and book classes at the last minute, which gets us a 
substantial discount.

>>> Ralph Smith  10/12/2011 9:16 AM >>>

This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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Re: Staff training

[Steven Peck]

For an intro, I prefer a class.  That often gives me a nice framework to
build out and experiment from.  If necessary I can pound it out purely from
a
OOK BUILD LAB
OOK MAKE THINGS
OOK BREAK THINGS
BAM BAM BAM
ME BUILD GUD!

I definitaly can learn purely from a lab, but like to get the broad overview
first.  It gets me away from work and home to somewhere I can get my feet
wet with just the product for a couple of days.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Matthew W. Ross
wrote:

> > Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and
> > rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen
> > times.
>
> Put me in that category.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Michael B. Smith
> [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Wed, 12 Oct 2011
> 09:23:29 -0700
> Subject: RE: Staff training
>
>
> > The value of classroom training is completely dependent on the
> instructor.
> > An instructor who knows what the heck s/he is talking about and has real
> > experience in the product is invaluable. An instructor who reviewed the
> MOC
> > and ran through it the weekend before the class started and has
> little-to-no
> > real experience is worthless.
> >
> > As an instructor myself, I've sat through both kinds of training classes.
> >
> > I would say that the number you quote is just a little on the high side,
> but
> > it's in line with a quality training class.
> >
> > Some people learn better in a classroom environment. Others learn better
> > with books. Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing
> and
> > rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen
> > times.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:17 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Staff training
> >
> >
> > This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
> > staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
> > Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
> > If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
> > Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
> > Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
> > ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
> > about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
> > and one three day course.
> >
> > The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
> > three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.
> >
> > For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
> > classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
> > classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
> > training from places like Trainsignal?
> >
> > I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
> > haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
> > experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
> > and some good books, but I was looking for something more
> > formal/structured.
> >
> > Appreciate any comments and advice.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >
>
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RE: Staff training

[Matthew W. Ross]

> Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and
> rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen
> times.

Put me in that category.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Michael B. Smith
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 12 Oct 2011
09:23:29 -0700
Subject: RE: Staff training


> The value of classroom training is completely dependent on the instructor.
> An instructor who knows what the heck s/he is talking about and has real
> experience in the product is invaluable. An instructor who reviewed the MOC
> and ran through it the weekend before the class started and has little-to-no
> real experience is worthless.
> 
> As an instructor myself, I've sat through both kinds of training classes.
> 
> I would say that the number you quote is just a little on the high side, but
> it's in line with a quality training class.
> 
> Some people learn better in a classroom environment. Others learn better
> with books. Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and
> rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen
> times.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Staff training
> 
> 
> This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
> staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
> Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
> If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
> Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
> Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
> ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
> about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
> and one three day course.
> 
> The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
> three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  
> 
> For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
> classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
> classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
> training from places like Trainsignal?
> 
> I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
> haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
> experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
> and some good books, but I was looking for something more
> formal/structured.
> 
> Appreciate any comments and advice.
> 
> Ralph
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 

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RE: Staff training

[Michael B. Smith]

I've given you recommendations on how to fix that. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

" Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and rebuilding 
and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen times."

Sounds like our production environment!

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

The value of classroom training is completely dependent on the instructor. An 
instructor who knows what the heck s/he is talking about and has real 
experience in the product is invaluable. An instructor who reviewed the MOC and 
ran through it the weekend before the class started and has little-to-no real 
experience is worthless.

As an instructor myself, I've sat through both kinds of training classes.

I would say that the number you quote is just a little on the high side, but 
it's in line with a quality training class.

Some people learn better in a classroom environment. Others learn better with 
books. Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and 
rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen times.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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Re: Staff training

[Christopher Bodnar]

I agree with most of what Michael already outlined. I'd also like to point 
out that there are employee's who see that type of formal training as a 
vacation from work. and really get nothing out of it. You should also 
evaluate and try to quantify what you or your company is trying to get out 
of this. For example, is the need to have a certain number of in house 
employees with MCITP certification? If that is the business driver, then 
at least you know what the requirements are. If not, then trying a 
combination of multiple forms of training might make more sense. You could 
license one of the video series, and have the employees work from home for 
a week to complete the course, for a fraction of that $27000 figure. You 
could also consider the Boot Camps, which virtually guarantee 
certification, but at a much higher cost. 


Chris Bodnar, MCSE, MCITP
Technical Support III
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003



From:   "Ralph Smith" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:   10/12/2011 12:17 PM
Subject:Staff training




This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process. 

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[David Lum]

" Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and rebuilding 
and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen times."

Sounds like our production environment!

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

The value of classroom training is completely dependent on the instructor. An 
instructor who knows what the heck s/he is talking about and has real 
experience in the product is invaluable. An instructor who reviewed the MOC and 
ran through it the weekend before the class started and has little-to-no real 
experience is worthless.

As an instructor myself, I've sat through both kinds of training classes.

I would say that the number you quote is just a little on the high side, but 
it's in line with a quality training class.

Some people learn better in a classroom environment. Others learn better with 
books. Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and 
rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen times.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Kim Longenbaugh]

For training by instructors who fit the first description, I'd highly recommend 
Robert Vaughn's organization at http://internetworkingdynamics.com/   If I have 
my way, I'll go to training there before I'd go anywhere else.  

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Staff training

The value of classroom training is completely dependent on the instructor. An 
instructor who knows what the heck s/he is talking about and has real 
experience in the product is invaluable. An instructor who reviewed the MOC and 
ran through it the weekend before the class started and has little-to-no real 
experience is worthless.

As an instructor myself, I've sat through both kinds of training classes.

I would say that the number you quote is just a little on the high side, but 
it's in line with a quality training class.

Some people learn better in a classroom environment. Others learn better with 
books. Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and 
rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen times.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: Staff training

[Michael B. Smith]

The value of classroom training is completely dependent on the instructor. An 
instructor who knows what the heck s/he is talking about and has real 
experience in the product is invaluable. An instructor who reviewed the MOC and 
ran through it the weekend before the class started and has little-to-no real 
experience is worthless.

As an instructor myself, I've sat through both kinds of training classes.

I would say that the number you quote is just a little on the high side, but 
it's in line with a quality training class.

Some people learn better in a classroom environment. Others learn better with 
books. Others (like me) learn best by setting up a lab and trashing and 
rebuilding and testing and breaking and fixing the product several dozen times.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Staff training


This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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Staff training

[Ralph Smith]

This may be a little OT, but I was just pricing out some training for 3
staff here with the idea of sending them to some classroom training for
Windows 7 and Server 2008 administration.
If I target the courses related to "MCITP Enterprise Desktop
Administrator on Windows 7" certification and the "MCITP Server
Administrator on Windows Server 2008" certification, (and this is from
ONLC because they have a local office, but New Horizons seems to be
about the same) the appropriate courses include three five day courses
and one three day course.

The total cost at their published prices would be almost $27,000 for
three staff.  I don't think I can get that through our budget process.  

For those who provide training for staff development, is this kind of
classroom training the way to go?  Are there other alternatives for
classroom training, or do you use other training resources such as video
training from places like Trainsignal?

I'm looking for a bit of a reality check, as well as suggestions.  We
haven't provided this kind of staff training up to now, so I have no
experience in this area.  For myself I have relied on Google Training
and some good books, but I was looking for something more
formal/structured.

Appreciate any comments and advice.

Ralph

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RE: IT staff training

[Eldridge, Dave]

Great. 

Luckily the second time we went around it to the west to the other one. Can’t 
think of the name.

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IT staff training

 

I plan do to a VM environment for testing, thanks.  Luckily I have servers for 
testing.

 

Stay AWAY from the bridge at 5:00 pm.  It would be faster to swim than deal 
with that traffic.

 

Tom

>>> "Eldridge, Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/18/2008 11:17 AM >>>

Tom you could setup a test AD in a virtual environment. You could easily get a 
couple of dc’s/servers and workstations on one physical host. They could rdp to 
the workstations and practice.

Just passed thru your area a couple of weeks ago heading to the OBX. 

Man I hate that bridge at 5:00 o’clock. J

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: IT staff training

 

Hi Folks:

 

My current shop is Netware/eDirectory.  I have a Windows AD for our application 
servers.  Over the next year I'll be migrating our staff to our AD.  I've been  
using AD for years now, but most of my staff members don't have experience with 
management.  Mostly what they will be doing is MMC stuff:  new users, groups, 
printers, permissions and the like.  

 

Can someone recommend training for this sort of tech help desk person?  
Web-based would be nice or CD/DVD as well since each could do it at his or her 
own pace.

 

Tom

 

Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

 

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RE: IT staff training

[Tom Miller]

I plan do to a VM environment for testing, thanks.  Luckily I have
servers for testing.
 
Stay AWAY from the bridge at 5:00 pm.  It would be faster to swim than
deal with that traffic.
 
Tom

>>> "Eldridge, Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/18/2008 11:17 AM >>>

Tom you could setup a test AD in a virtual environment. You could
easily get a couple of dc’s/servers and workstations on one physical
host. They could rdp to the workstations and practice.
Just passed thru your area a couple of weeks ago heading to the OBX. 
Man I hate that bridge at 5:00 o’clock. J
 

From:Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: IT staff training

 

Hi Folks:

 

My current shop is Netware/eDirectory.  I have a Windows AD for our
application servers.  Over the next year I'll be migrating our staff to
our AD.  I've been  using AD for years now, but most of my staff members
don't have experience with management.  Mostly what they will be doing
is MMC stuff:  new users, groups, printers, permissions and the like.  

 

Can someone recommend training for this sort of tech help desk person? 
Web-based would be nice or CD/DVD as well since each could do it at his
or her own pace.

 

Tom

 

Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

 
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RE: IT staff training

[Eldridge, Dave]

Tom you could setup a test AD in a virtual environment. You could easily
get a couple of dc's/servers and workstations on one physical host. They
could rdp to the workstations and practice.

Just passed thru your area a couple of weeks ago heading to the OBX. 

Man I hate that bridge at 5:00 o'clock. J

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: IT staff training

 

Hi Folks:

 

My current shop is Netware/eDirectory.  I have a Windows AD for our
application servers.  Over the next year I'll be migrating our staff to
our AD.  I've been  using AD for years now, but most of my staff members
don't have experience with management.  Mostly what they will be doing
is MMC stuff:  new users, groups, printers, permissions and the like.  

 

Can someone recommend training for this sort of tech help desk person?
Web-based would be nice or CD/DVD as well since each could do it at his
or her own pace.

 

Tom

 

Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

 

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Re: IT staff training

[James Kerr]

I like Train Signal, its CD based so you buy the CD and its yours to keep.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Miller 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:09 AM
  Subject: IT staff training


  Hi Folks:

  My current shop is Netware/eDirectory.  I have a Windows AD for our 
application servers.  Over the next year I'll be migrating our staff to our AD. 
 I've been  using AD for years now, but most of my staff members don't have 
experience with management.  Mostly what they will be doing is MMC stuff:  new 
users, groups, printers, permissions and the like.  

  Can someone recommend training for this sort of tech help desk person?  
Web-based would be nice or CD/DVD as well since each could do it at his or her 
own pace.

  Tom

  Tom Miller
  Engineer, Information Technology
  Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
  757-788-0528


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IT staff training

[Tom Miller]

Hi Folks:
 
My current shop is Netware/eDirectory.  I have a Windows AD for our application 
servers.  Over the next year I'll be migrating our staff to our AD.  I've been  
using AD for years now, but most of my staff members don't have experience with 
management.  Mostly what they will be doing is MMC stuff:  new users, groups, 
printers, permissions and the like.  
 
Can someone recommend training for this sort of tech help desk person?  
Web-based would be nice or CD/DVD as well since each could do it at his or her 
own pace.
 
Tom
 
Tom Miller
Engineer, Information Technology
Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board
757-788-0528

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