Update: Win 7 Price
Turns out the $254 was the was the price WITH SA. The SKU for the Promo Win7PRO VL w/o SA is FQ6-02633 and is being quoted around $130 from Dell and CDW. Now that I can swallow. FYI, Sam -Original Message- From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Everyone goes through a reseller regardless. That said I expect your negotiating power with that volume is somewhere around 0. :) Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Update: Win 7 Price
That = Shook -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Update: Win 7 Price Turns out the $254 was the was the price WITH SA. The SKU for the Promo Win7PRO VL w/o SA is FQ6-02633 and is being quoted around $130 from Dell and CDW. Now that I can swallow. FYI, Sam -Original Message- From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Everyone goes through a reseller regardless. That said I expect your negotiating power with that volume is somewhere around 0. :) Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Update: Win 7 Price
Remember if you get SA then your should get Windows 8 in the 3 year time window. :-) Mike -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 15 September 2009 16:36 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Update: Win 7 Price Turns out the $254 was the was the price WITH SA. The SKU for the Promo Win7PRO VL w/o SA is FQ6-02633 and is being quoted around $130 from Dell and CDW. Now that I can swallow. FYI, Sam -Original Message- From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Everyone goes through a reseller regardless. That said I expect your negotiating power with that volume is somewhere around 0. :) Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Update: Win 7 Price
Well-played Sir, excellent top spin on your return. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Update: Win 7 Price That = Shook -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Update: Win 7 Price Turns out the $254 was the was the price WITH SA. The SKU for the Promo Win7PRO VL w/o SA is FQ6-02633 and is being quoted around $130 from Dell and CDW. Now that I can swallow. FYI, Sam -Original Message- From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Everyone goes through a reseller regardless. That said I expect your negotiating power with that volume is somewhere around 0. :) Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Win 7 Price
It's not just about size, it's also about the mix of products that you use. We have less people than you (about 60), but more servers (over 150 right now), and use a mix of Microsoft products including SQL and Exchange. This gives us a lot of points for negotiating, even at our size. SA gives other benefits besides renewal rights within the term of the license. You also get some support and some training benefits. If you were doing it for Windows only, I'd have to say that the track-record for SA is below par. For Office, it's a no-brainer, and for other members of the Microsoft product family, it's break-even at worst, and offers some price breaks on occasion. We negotiate our pricing through a VAR, with collaboration from Microsoft. You can always negotiate it to some degree... -*ASB*: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Win 7 Price
Also, do not forget to look into the various MS SA support options. All to many people forget about SA support level agreements which let you use Microsoft as part of your troubleshooting resources, not having to ask permission to burn premium support hours. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Everyone goes through a reseller regardless. That said I expect your negotiating power with that volume is somewhere around 0. :) Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Win 7 Price
I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Can I hijack this? I've actually never been in a position that manages purchasing licenses. It was always handled by different role. Now I am that role, how does the licensing work in a nutshell? I range between 20 and 30 deployed workstations that will be needing Win7. All of them are using WinXP Volume. They all shipped with Vista OEM's as well. (I skipped Vista). And I would like to upconvert any XP/Vista/Win7 OEM licenses that the machines ship with to Volume. I hate activations. What's the best route? TIA, Sam From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Yes and no. It seems that when you purchase any sort of Open license they will now issue KMS keys regardless of how many licenses you purchase. If you don't qualify for a KMS server, you'll need to request MAK keys for your licenses. I've found this needs to be done from the Licensing website, not the eOpen website. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 key I have licenses for 5 Windows 7 systems but the only key code I received is for KMS, not MAK ones, is this normal? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Win 7 Price
Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Can I hijack this? I've actually never been in a position that manages purchasing licenses. It was always handled by different role. Now I am that role, how does the licensing work in a nutshell? I range between 20 and 30 deployed workstations that will be needing Win7. All of them are using WinXP Volume. They all shipped with Vista OEM's as well. (I skipped Vista). And I would like to upconvert any XP/Vista/Win7 OEM licenses that the machines ship with to Volume. I hate activations. What's the best route? TIA, Sam From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Yes and no. It seems that when you purchase any sort of Open license they will now issue KMS keys regardless of how many licenses you purchase. If you don't qualify for a KMS server, you'll need to request MAK keys for your licenses. I've found this needs to be done from the Licensing website, not the eOpen website. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 key I have licenses for 5 Windows 7 systems but the only key code I received is for KMS, not MAK ones, is this normal? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Win 7 Price
But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. Alright, what's the point of SA when they release an OS every 3 years or so? Or is that like asking what's the meaning of life? I know it's an apple 2 orange comparison, but I just upgraded my home machine to 7 for $50. I have a hard time grasping the fact they are going to charge businesses 400% MORE! From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Can I hijack this? I've actually never been in a position that manages purchasing licenses. It was always handled by different role. Now I am that role, how does the licensing work in a nutshell? I range between 20 and 30 deployed workstations that will be needing Win7. All of them are using WinXP Volume. They all shipped with Vista OEM's as well. (I skipped Vista). And I would like to upconvert any XP/Vista/Win7 OEM licenses that the machines ship with to Volume. I hate activations. What's the best route? TIA, Sam From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Yes and no. It seems that when you purchase any sort of Open license they will now issue KMS keys regardless of how many licenses you purchase. If you don't qualify for a KMS server, you'll need to request MAK keys for your licenses. I've found this needs to be done from the Licensing website, not the eOpen website. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 key I have licenses for 5 Windows 7 systems but the only key code I received is for KMS, not MAK ones, is this normal? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Win 7 Price
Depending on how new the system, you may be available for the free upgrade. I just did this with 84 Dell laptops we got last month. They also cut me a deal for SA on 32 I bought within the last 6 months, way cheaper..HTH John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. Alright, what's the point of SA when they release an OS every 3 years or so? Or is that like asking what's the meaning of life? I know it's an apple 2 orange comparison, but I just upgraded my home machine to 7 for $50. I have a hard time grasping the fact they are going to charge businesses 400% MORE! From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Can I hijack this? I've actually never been in a position that manages purchasing licenses. It was always handled by different role. Now I am that role, how does the licensing work in a nutshell? I range between 20 and 30 deployed workstations that will be needing Win7. All of them are using WinXP Volume. They all shipped with Vista OEM's as well. (I skipped Vista). And I would like to upconvert any XP/Vista/Win7 OEM licenses that the machines ship with to Volume. I hate activations. What's the best route? TIA, Sam From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Yes and no. It seems that when you purchase any sort of Open license they will now issue KMS keys regardless of how many licenses you purchase. If you don't qualify for a KMS server, you'll need to request MAK keys for your licenses. I've found this needs to be done from the Licensing website, not the eOpen website. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 key I have licenses for 5 Windows 7 systems but the only key code I received is for KMS, not MAK ones, is this normal? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient
RE: Win 7 Price
We just got in some new systems last month and they came with a Free upgrade coupon. Not sure what the status on those are but I do know they expire in October I think it is. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. Alright, what's the point of SA when they release an OS every 3 years or so? Or is that like asking what's the meaning of life? I know it's an apple 2 orange comparison, but I just upgraded my home machine to 7 for $50. I have a hard time grasping the fact they are going to charge businesses 400% MORE! From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Can I hijack this? I've actually never been in a position that manages purchasing licenses. It was always handled by different role. Now I am that role, how does the licensing work in a nutshell? I range between 20 and 30 deployed workstations that will be needing Win7. All of them are using WinXP Volume. They all shipped with Vista OEM's as well. (I skipped Vista). And I would like to upconvert any XP/Vista/Win7 OEM licenses that the machines ship with to Volume. I hate activations. What's the best route? TIA, Sam From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Yes and no. It seems that when you purchase any sort of Open license they will now issue KMS keys regardless of how many licenses you purchase. If you don't qualify for a KMS server, you'll need to request MAK keys for your licenses. I've found this needs to be done from the Licensing website, not the eOpen website. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 key I have licenses for 5 Windows 7 systems but the only key code I received is for KMS, not MAK ones, is this normal? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have
RE: Win 7 Price
I got these a couple month's ago before the coupons. -Original Message- From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price We just got in some new systems last month and they came with a Free upgrade coupon. Not sure what the status on those are but I do know they expire in October I think it is. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. Alright, what's the point of SA when they release an OS every 3 years or so? Or is that like asking what's the meaning of life? I know it's an apple 2 orange comparison, but I just upgraded my home machine to 7 for $50. I have a hard time grasping the fact they are going to charge businesses 400% MORE! From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Can I hijack this? I've actually never been in a position that manages purchasing licenses. It was always handled by different role. Now I am that role, how does the licensing work in a nutshell? I range between 20 and 30 deployed workstations that will be needing Win7. All of them are using WinXP Volume. They all shipped with Vista OEM's as well. (I skipped Vista). And I would like to upconvert any XP/Vista/Win7 OEM licenses that the machines ship with to Volume. I hate activations. What's the best route? TIA, Sam From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Yes and no. It seems that when you purchase any sort of Open license they will now issue KMS keys regardless of how many licenses you purchase. If you don't qualify for a KMS server, you'll need to request MAK keys for your licenses. I've found this needs to be done from the Licensing website, not the eOpen website. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 key I have licenses for 5 Windows 7 systems but the only key code I received is for KMS, not MAK ones, is this normal? David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law
RE: Win 7 Price
The pricing that you are now running into is exactly why SA exists. If you had purchased SA on the licenses originally you wouldn't be worrying about your upgrade cost now, you could just do it. For me it is very much worth the cost of SA to not have to worry about what version of which software package I am running. I'm just legal. It really is awesome. Tim -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price I got these a couple month's ago before the coupons. -Original Message- From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price We just got in some new systems last month and they came with a Free upgrade coupon. Not sure what the status on those are but I do know they expire in October I think it is. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. Alright, what's the point of SA when they release an OS every 3 years or so? Or is that like asking what's the meaning of life? I know it's an apple 2 orange comparison, but I just upgraded my home machine to 7 for $50. I have a hard time grasping the fact they are going to charge businesses 400% MORE! From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Can I hijack this? I've actually never been in a position that manages purchasing licenses. It was always handled by different role. Now I am that role, how does the licensing work in a nutshell? I range between 20 and 30 deployed workstations that will be needing Win7. All of them are using WinXP Volume. They all shipped with Vista OEM's as well. (I skipped Vista). And I would like to upconvert any XP/Vista/Win7 OEM licenses that the machines ship with to Volume. I hate activations. What's the best route? TIA, Sam From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Yes and no. It seems that when you purchase any sort of Open license they will now issue KMS keys regardless of how many licenses you purchase. If you don't qualify for a KMS server, you'll need to request MAK keys for your licenses. I've found this needs to be done from the Licensing website, not the eOpen website. From: David Lum [mailto:david
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Ok, I guess I would have to see the SA renewal rates. Would I have saved money if we bought XP with SA back in 2001 (Which it turns out we did), and renewed the SA for 8 years? (I'm finding we never renewed). Sam -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price The pricing that you are now running into is exactly why SA exists. If you had purchased SA on the licenses originally you wouldn't be worrying about your upgrade cost now, you could just do it. For me it is very much worth the cost of SA to not have to worry about what version of which software package I am running. I'm just legal. It really is awesome. Tim -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price I got these a couple month's ago before the coupons. -Original Message- From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price We just got in some new systems last month and they came with a Free upgrade coupon. Not sure what the status on those are but I do know they expire in October I think it is. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. Alright, what's the point of SA when they release an OS every 3 years or so? Or is that like asking what's the meaning of life? I know it's an apple 2 orange comparison, but I just upgraded my home machine to 7 for $50. I have a hard time grasping the fact they are going to charge businesses 400% MORE! From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Can I hijack this? I've actually never been in a position that manages purchasing licenses. It was always handled by different role. Now I am that role, how does the licensing work in a nutshell? I range between 20 and 30 deployed workstations that will be needing Win7. All of them are using WinXP Volume. They all shipped with Vista OEM's as well. (I skipped Vista). And I would like to upconvert any XP/Vista/Win7 OEM licenses that the machines ship with to Volume. I hate activations. What's the best route? TIA, Sam From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:jmajorow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Yes and no. It seems
RE: Win 7 Price
It depends on a number of factors. Like how often you upgrade and what products you use. But if you saved money by not going with SA originally, then you shouldn't be complaining about how high the price is now. You should be cheering about how much money you saved even though the price is higher now. :) Tim From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Ok, I guess I would have to see the SA renewal rates. Would I have saved money if we bought XP with SA back in 2001 (Which it turns out we did), and renewed the SA for 8 years? (I'm finding we never renewed). Sam -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price The pricing that you are now running into is exactly why SA exists. If you had purchased SA on the licenses originally you wouldn't be worrying about your upgrade cost now, you could just do it. For me it is very much worth the cost of SA to not have to worry about what version of which software package I am running. I'm just legal. It really is awesome. Tim -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price I got these a couple month's ago before the coupons. -Original Message- From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price We just got in some new systems last month and they came with a Free upgrade coupon. Not sure what the status on those are but I do know they expire in October I think it is. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. Alright, what's the point of SA when they release an OS every 3 years or so? Or is that like asking what's the meaning of life? I know it's an apple 2 orange comparison, but I just upgraded my home machine to 7 for $50. I have a hard time grasping the fact they are going to charge businesses 400% MORE! From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.netmailto:m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Can I hijack this? I've actually never been in a position that manages purchasing licenses. It was always handled by different role. Now I am that role, how does the licensing work in a nutshell
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Despite the fact that Volume Licenses are Upgrade Only, they cost almost as much as a FPP license. There's a reason Bill Gates is so rich. Alright, what's the point of SA ... More profit for Microsoft. Oh, you meant *for you*? For Windows, I think SA is a loosing proposition for the end customer. *If* you want to be on the latest release of Windows, it might make sense, but *only* if you don't also buy a new computer to run the new Windows. (Otherwise, you're buying an OEM Windows license again anyway.) And since every release of Windows typically has increased system requirements, that means Windows will get slower and slower with each upgrade. Why would you want to do that? SA might makes sense for other products, since Windows is the only product you have to buy twice to use with VL. Say you want to keep on the latest version of Office all the time. So you buy a heap of VL Office licenses and subscribe to SA for upgrades. That makes sense. If you tend to stick with what you have, or otherwise don't get enough value from running the latest and greatest, SA doesn't make sense then, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Win 7 Price
I wish I knew that answer :) I don't know if we saved money by not renewing SA. (I was not in charge of that decision). Is there a flat rate on what SA renewals are? From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price It depends on a number of factors. Like how often you upgrade and what products you use. But if you saved money by not going with SA originally, then you shouldn't be complaining about how high the price is now. You should be cheering about how much money you saved even though the price is higher now. J Tim From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Ok, I guess I would have to see the SA renewal rates. Would I have saved money if we bought XP with SA back in 2001 (Which it turns out we did), and renewed the SA for 8 years? (I'm finding we never renewed). Sam -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price The pricing that you are now running into is exactly why SA exists. If you had purchased SA on the licenses originally you wouldn't be worrying about your upgrade cost now, you could just do it. For me it is very much worth the cost of SA to not have to worry about what version of which software package I am running. I'm just legal. It really is awesome. Tim -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price I got these a couple month's ago before the coupons. -Original Message- From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price We just got in some new systems last month and they came with a Free upgrade coupon. Not sure what the status on those are but I do know they expire in October I think it is. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. Alright, what's the point of SA when they release an OS every 3 years or so? Or is that like asking what's the meaning of life? I know it's an apple 2 orange comparison, but I just upgraded my home machine to 7 for $50. I have a hard time grasping the fact they are going to charge businesses 400% MORE! From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax: 610-807-6003 From: m...@drumbrae.net [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key Install KMS server, play with DNS, have a cuppa. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/dd197314.aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd772270.aspx Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 20:44
RE: Win 7 Price
Good info, thanks. Are there SKU's for 7 that DON'T include SA? Or is SA included no matter what? -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Despite the fact that Volume Licenses are Upgrade Only, they cost almost as much as a FPP license. There's a reason Bill Gates is so rich. Alright, what's the point of SA ... More profit for Microsoft. Oh, you meant *for you*? For Windows, I think SA is a loosing proposition for the end customer. *If* you want to be on the latest release of Windows, it might make sense, but *only* if you don't also buy a new computer to run the new Windows. (Otherwise, you're buying an OEM Windows license again anyway.) And since every release of Windows typically has increased system requirements, that means Windows will get slower and slower with each upgrade. Why would you want to do that? SA might makes sense for other products, since Windows is the only product you have to buy twice to use with VL. Say you want to keep on the latest version of Office all the time. So you buy a heap of VL Office licenses and subscribe to SA for upgrades. That makes sense. If you tend to stick with what you have, or otherwise don't get enough value from running the latest and greatest, SA doesn't make sense then, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Win 7 Price
Not really. You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. There is a set starting point price, but they can often times be talked down from that price. Tim From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price I wish I knew that answer :) I don't know if we saved money by not renewing SA. (I was not in charge of that decision). Is there a flat rate on what SA renewals are? From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price It depends on a number of factors. Like how often you upgrade and what products you use. But if you saved money by not going with SA originally, then you shouldn't be complaining about how high the price is now. You should be cheering about how much money you saved even though the price is higher now. :) Tim From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Ok, I guess I would have to see the SA renewal rates. Would I have saved money if we bought XP with SA back in 2001 (Which it turns out we did), and renewed the SA for 8 years? (I'm finding we never renewed). Sam -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price The pricing that you are now running into is exactly why SA exists. If you had purchased SA on the licenses originally you wouldn't be worrying about your upgrade cost now, you could just do it. For me it is very much worth the cost of SA to not have to worry about what version of which software package I am running. I'm just legal. It really is awesome. Tim -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price I got these a couple month's ago before the coupons. -Original Message- From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price We just got in some new systems last month and they came with a Free upgrade coupon. Not sure what the status on those are but I do know they expire in October I think it is. -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. Alright, what's the point of SA when they release an OS every 3 years or so? Or is that like asking what's the meaning of life? I know it's an apple 2 orange comparison, but I just upgraded my home machine to 7 for $50. I have a hard time grasping the fact they are going to charge businesses 400% MORE! From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price Not sure about the dollar rate, but without existing software assurance it can be expensive. The was an offer to add SA to existing machines bought in the last 6 months but that ended last month. In effect you are buying a new full license for the software, so you might want to get a financed option to spread the payments. Mike From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 8:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Win 7 Price I'm getting quoted $254 to upgrade to Windows 7 Pro Volume, which supposedly includes the 15% early upgrade discount (http://preview.tinyurl.com/mlnjmg) Never been in a position that handles MS Licensing. Does this sound accurate? Seems high to me. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key You just need to install the update for the KMS service and then you can add and activate the Win7 keys. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 key While we are on this topic, anyone do the upgrade of their KMS servers to support 2008 R2? I've done the updates on the KMS servers and retrieved my new KMS key but haven't swapped it out yet. Chris Bodnar, MCSE Sr. Systems Engineer Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life Insurance Company of America Email: christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com Phone: 610-807-6459 Fax
RE: Win 7 Price
It also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Tim -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: But I just paid for all new system that shipped with Vista Business :( I would think the upgrade would be cheaper. You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Despite the fact that Volume Licenses are Upgrade Only, they cost almost as much as a FPP license. There's a reason Bill Gates is so rich. Alright, what's the point of SA ... More profit for Microsoft. Oh, you meant *for you*? For Windows, I think SA is a loosing proposition for the end customer. *If* you want to be on the latest release of Windows, it might make sense, but *only* if you don't also buy a new computer to run the new Windows. (Otherwise, you're buying an OEM Windows license again anyway.) And since every release of Windows typically has increased system requirements, that means Windows will get slower and slower with each upgrade. Why would you want to do that? SA might makes sense for other products, since Windows is the only product you have to buy twice to use with VL. Say you want to keep on the latest version of Office all the time. So you buy a heap of VL Office licenses and subscribe to SA for upgrades. That makes sense. If you tend to stick with what you have, or otherwise don't get enough value from running the latest and greatest, SA doesn't make sense then, either. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Win 7 Price
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Win 7 Price
The official number I came up with after months of research was 192 licenses being the breakeven point where buying an EA made sense, although Microsoft officially touts 250 as their official number. The EA is purchased directly from Microsoft (although you use a LAR to do the paperwork) so then they can negotiate price when you are in that space. Anything under that, and you are looking at eOpen or something similar which you would buy from whoever your favorite software vendor may be. HTH, Tim -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Win 7 Price
It's always a numbers game and it's most cost effective if you are buying a large % of new machines then you can add SA and get with the program. Once you are with one agreement then it's only the SA to worry about. In a lot of cases it's about cash flow short term and only after 6-7 years that you actually save money - which is difficult in the current climate. We are Authorised Educational Resellers and have all sorts of spreadsheets for running the numbers. Pricing is not really about if Microsoft cares, but rather if the distributor cares and can take it up with Microsoft. Over the years we have seen all sorts of anomalies in products. Also keep a look out for the end of financial years and financial quarters. What helps if you plan with what you have a the moment and see where you want to be after the next refresh and then look at how interim purchases will slot into that plan. Mike -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: 11 September 2009 10:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Win 7 Price The official number I came up with after months of research was 192 licenses being the breakeven point where buying an EA made sense, although Microsoft officially touts 250 as their official number. The EA is purchased directly from Microsoft (although you use a LAR to do the paperwork) so then they can negotiate price when you are in that space. Anything under that, and you are looking at eOpen or something similar which you would buy from whoever your favorite software vendor may be. HTH, Tim -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Win 7 Price
Everyone goes through a reseller regardless. That said I expect your negotiating power with that volume is somewhere around 0. :) Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Win 7 Price On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: You negotiate your SA renewals with Microsoft the same way you can negotiate price with them up front for Licenses and SA. How big do you have to be before MSFT starts to care? When I checked a few years ago, for my current employer (120 people, ~ 75 computers), we were too small to have any negotiating leverage. MSFT told us to call a reseller (e.g., Dell, CDW). Reseller quotes their standard price. :-( On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tim Vander Kooi tvanderk...@expl.com wrote: [Software Assurance] also makes a great deal of sense when you have an EA or similar since they basically throw the Client OS licenses and SA in for free. Sounds like this might be a large vs small company thing. Enterprise Agreement is way out of our reach. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
