[nysbirds-l] RBA Buffalo Bird Report 08 Jan 2015

[David Suggs]

- RBA
* New York
* Buffalo
* 01/08/2015
* NYBU1501.08
- Birds mentioned

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  Eared Grebe
  Great Blue Heron
  Trumpeter Swan
  Tundra Swan
  Ross's Goose
  Northern Shoveler
  Gadwall
  American Wigeon
  Canvasback
  Redhead
  Ring-necked Duck
  Black Scoter
  White-winged Scoter
  Hooded Merganser
  Ruddy Duck
  Bald Eagle
  Peregrine Falcon
  American Coot
  Laughing Gull
  Little Gull
  Black-leg. Kittiwake
  Snowy Owl
  Hermit Thrush
  Northern Shrike

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  Hotline: Buffalo Bird Report at the Buffalo Museum of Science
  Date: 01/08/2015
  Number:   716-896-1271
  To Report:Same
  Compiler: David F. Suggs
  Coverage: Western New York and adjacent Ontario
  Website:  www.BuffaloOrnithologicalSociety.org

  Thursday, January 8, 2015

  The Buffalo Bird Report is a service provided by your
  Buffalo Museum of Science and the Buffalo Ornithological
  Society. To contact the Science Museum, call 896-5200. Press
  the pound key to report sightings before the end of this
  report.

  Highlights of reports through January 8 from the Niagara
  Frontier Region.

  January 1, a rare, adult BLACK-LEG. KITTIWAKE at Gallagher's
  Beach on the Buffalo outer harbor waterfront, along Fuhrmann
  Blvd. And, PEREGRINE FALCON at the nest box on the Holcim
  building at the south end of the harbor.

  Back on December 21 and 23, a LAUGHING GULL at Dunkirk
  Harbor. Waterfowl at the harbor included GADWALL, AMERICAN
  WIGEON, NORTHERN SHOVELER, CANVASBACK, REDHEAD, RING-NECKED
  DUCK, WHITE-WINGED SCOTER, BLACK SCOTER, HOODED MERGANSER
  and RUDDY DUCK, plus 167 AMERICAN COOTS.

  On the 23rd, a rare find of an EARED GREBE on Lake Erie,
  off the north end of Evangola State Park in southern Erie
  County. Also 6 BALD EAGLES at Evangola.

  January 8, a juvenile ROSS'S GOOSE was still at Beaver
  Island State Park, on the west river beach at the marina,
  with 120 TUNDRA SWANS, 3 BALD EAGLES and a wing-tagged
  juvenile TRUMPETER SWAN.

  Another good winter for SNOWY OWLS in the region - recent
  reports from the Buffalo-Niagara Airport, the tower at
  Golden Hill State Park on Lake Ontario in Somerset, north of
  the Iroquois Refuge on Posson Road in Shelby, and the Small
  Boat Harbor on the Buffalo waterfront.

  On the upper Niagara River, several LITTLE GULLS at the
  Peace Bridge and the north end of Squaw Island at the Black
  Rock Canal. At Strawberry Island, a pair of BALD EAGLES at
  the nest, and 16 wintering GREAT BLUE HERONS.

  Other reports - NORTHERN SHRIKE on Grand Island at the
  airfield on Alt Blvd. And in Buffalo, a HERMIT THRUSH in the
  rails to trails area behind the LaSalle rail station.

  The first BOS meeting of the year will be on Wednesday,
  January 14, at 7 pm, at the Buffalo Museum of Science. A
  program on last winter's SNOWY OWL invasion, including
  photographs, will be presented. Visitors are always welcome
  at BOS meetings.

  The Bird Report will be updated Thursday evening, January
  15. Please call in your sightings by noon Thursday. You may
  report sightings after the tone. Thank you for calling and
  reporting.

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[nysbirds-l] Massapequa Preserve

[Robert A. Proniewych]

The weather says winter, but the birds said spring. Pulling into the Walker
Street parking lot the first bird to greet me was an Eastern Phoebe.
Walking over the bridge just west of the parking lot, a Gray Catbird sat
out on a wild rose bush feeding and preening. Walking north on the paved
pedestrian I started my vigil for two warblers, Nashville and
Orange-crowned. They did not disappoint.  Both appeared around noon feeding
on the cattails growing in the marsh on the northside of the parking lot
and keeping company with one another. Some other birds noted were: Rusty
Blackbird, Yellow-bellied Sapsucker, Winter Wren, Swamp Sparrow and an
American Tree Sparrow seen there yesterday.
Robert A. Proniewych

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[nysbirds-l] Bohemian Waxwing

[Rich Perkins / TAM]

We had a Bohemian Waxwing in the yard in Miller Place on North Shore.
Pictures taken and can been seen on flickr account below.  Bird responded
with identical call when Bohemian Waxwing song was played from iphone.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/123534288@N08/

 

 

Aidan & Buddy Perkins


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[nysbirds-l] Couch's Kingbird yes

[Isaac Grant]

1:00 at w4th and 11th. Flew towards Bleecker

Isaac Grant
Senior Loan Officer

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[nysbirds-l] Belmont lake

[Rob Bate]

The flock of 800 Canada Geese began lifting off from the significant open water 
around 9:45 this morning. The Barnacle Goose was on the extreme western shore 
at the far edge of the flock. Four Greater White-fronted Geese were tucked up 
in the cove (inlet?) at the north east corner of the lake. There was at least 
one Cackling Goose in the middle of the flock. No Snow Geese on the lake, they 
must roost elsewhere. It was cold. 

Rob Bate



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[nysbirds-l] NYC: Counch's Kingbird continues

[Angus Wilson]

I've just heard via Andrew Rubenfeld that Eric Ozawa saw the West Village
COUCH'S KINGBIRD this morning despite the frigid temperatures, especially
overnight. Exact location was not provided but presumable this was at or
close to one of the spots it has favored recently.

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New York City & The Springs, NY, USA
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[nysbirds-l] Barnacle and Snow Geese

[Tim Dunn]

Continuing Barnacle Goose and one Snow Goose are now at Colonial Springs with 
the Canada flock. 

Thanks,
Tim Dunn
Babylon, NY
Sent from my iPhone

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[nysbirds-l] Barnacle and Snow Geese suff. Co.

[Arie Gilbert]

The Barnacle Goose was on Belmont Lake at 930am and a Snow Goose was on 
Colonial Springs golf course at 11am as seen from Wellwood ave. 


01/08/2015 @ 11:30 AM

Arie Gilbert 
No. Babylon NY 


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Phil Jeffrey]

If it's fluttering around in the street about to get pretzeled by a taxi
I'm sure someone can get it to the Wild Bird Fund on the Upper West Side in
Manhattan.
http://wildbirdfund.org/

In contrast to Rick Cech's point of view, Selasphorus hummingbirds and
Western Tanagers show several records from Feb-Mar indicating overwintering
success in this region.  Western Kingbird or Ash-throated Flycatcher
essentially none.  If I were prone to wagering on survival rates of
vagrants I know where I'd put my money.

Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:

> It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
> Wouldn't you want the same done for you?
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca,  NY
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their
>> normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return
>> home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand
>> back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved.
>>
>> Will Raup
>> Glenmont, NY
>>
>>
>> --
>> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>> From: peter.co...@gmail.com
>> To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
>> CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
>>
>>
>> Good discussion,
>>
>> Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
>> climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
>> good bugs in this weather.
>>
>> Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
>> of emergency. Birds get sick fast.
>>
>> From one who lived with birds, Peter
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick  wrote:
>>
>> True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
>> Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
>> years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
>> cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
>> into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
>> energy).
>>
>>
>>
>> In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
>> good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
>> small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
>> for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
>> traditional overwintering sites.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
>> bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
>> *To:* Orhan Birol
>> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
>> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>>
>>
>>
>> My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
>> mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
>> diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
>> on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
>> many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday I observed both.
>>
>> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
>>
>> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
>> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
>> the cold.
>>
>> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
>> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
>>
>> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Orhan Birol
>>
>> Shelter Island
>>
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Paul R Sweet]

NY Birders

While on the subject of vagrants and their possible demise, I would like to 
reiterate that if a bird such as this does die and is found it should be 
deposited in a natural history collection where it can be permanently archived.

Thanks, Paul Sweet


Paul Sweet
Collection Manager
Department of Ornithology
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West at 79th Street
New York, NY 10024

Tel: 212 769 5780
Cell: 718 757 5941



From: bounce-118684156-11471...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118684156-11471...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Will Raup
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:05 AM
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?


Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY


Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: peter.co...@gmail.com
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

>From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick 
mailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:
True, and don't forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I'm aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.

2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).

In any case, don't sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)

Rick

From: 
bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu
 
[mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu]
 On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
Hugh

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
mailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sunday I observed both.
The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.
The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
Any thoughts?
Orhan Birol
Shelter Island
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Grover, Bob]

Unless someone has some science to add, we should probably move on.
Bob Grover







From: bounce-118684178-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118684178-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Orkin
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:13 AM
To: Justin Lawson
Cc: Will Raup; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

Suffering is suffering, compassion is compassion.
Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Justin Lawson 
mailto:justindlaw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.


On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin 
mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.   Wouldn't 
you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
mailto:hoaryredp...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY


Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: peter.co...@gmail.com
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; 
orhanbir...@gmail.com; 
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick 
mailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:

True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).



In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)



Rick



From: 
bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu
 [mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
mailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Sunday I observed both.

The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.

The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

Any thoughts?

Orhan Birol

Shelter Island

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[McIntyre, Annie (PARKS)]

Interesting discussion but please continue privately off list.

Thank you.

From: bounce-118684169-10774...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118684169-10774...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Lawson
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:09 AM
To: Linda Orkin
Cc: Will Raup; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin 
mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.   Wouldn't 
you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
>
 wrote:

Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY


Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: 
peter.co...@gmail.com
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
CC: 
hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; 
orhanbir...@gmail.com; 
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick 
> wrote:

True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).



In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)



Rick



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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
> 
wrote:

On Sunday I observed both.

The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.

The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

Any thoughts?

Orhan Birol

Shelter Island

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Linda Orkin]

Suffering is suffering, compassion is compassion.

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Justin Lawson 
wrote:

> Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>
>> It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
>> Wouldn't you want the same done for you?
>>
>> Linda Orkin
>> Ithaca,  NY
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of
>>> their normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and
>>> return home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we
>>> should stand back and let nature take its course and not get directly
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> Will Raup
>>> Glenmont, NY
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>>> From: peter.co...@gmail.com
>>> To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
>>> CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com;
>>> NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> Good discussion,
>>>
>>> Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
>>> climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
>>> good bugs in this weather.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
>>> of emergency. Birds get sick fast.
>>>
>>> From one who lived with birds, Peter
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick  wrote:
>>>
>>> True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
>>> Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
>>> years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
>>> cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
>>> into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
>>> energy).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
>>> good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
>>> small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
>>> for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
>>> traditional overwintering sites.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
>>> bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh
>>> McGuinness
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
>>> *To:* Orhan Birol
>>> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
>>> mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
>>> diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
>>> on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
>>> many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sunday I observed both.
>>>
>>> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
>>>
>>> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
>>> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
>>> the cold.
>>>
>>> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
>>> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
>>>
>>> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Orhan Birol
>>>
>>> Shelter Island
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Justin Lawson]

Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin  wrote:

> It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
> Wouldn't you want the same done for you?
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca,  NY
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their
>> normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return
>> home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand
>> back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved.
>>
>> Will Raup
>> Glenmont, NY
>>
>>
>> --
>> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>> From: peter.co...@gmail.com
>> 
>> To: rc...@nyc.rr.com 
>> CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com
>> ;
>> orhanbir...@gmail.com
>> ;
>> NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
>> 
>>
>>
>> Good discussion,
>>
>> Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
>> climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
>> good bugs in this weather.
>>
>> Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
>> of emergency. Birds get sick fast.
>>
>> From one who lived with birds, Peter
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick > > wrote:
>>
>> True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
>> Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
>> years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
>> cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
>> into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
>> energy).
>>
>>
>>
>> In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
>> good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
>> small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
>> for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
>> traditional overwintering sites.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu
>> 
>> [mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu
>> ]
>> *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
>> *To:* Orhan Birol
>> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
>> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>>
>>
>>
>> My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
>> mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
>> diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
>> on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
>> many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol > > wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday I observed both.
>>
>> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
>>
>> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
>> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
>> the cold.
>>
>> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
>> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
>>
>> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Orhan Birol
>>
>> Shelter Island
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Linda Orkin]

It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
Wouldn't you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup  wrote:

>
> Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their
> normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return
> home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand
> back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved.
>
> Will Raup
> Glenmont, NY
>
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
> From: peter.co...@gmail.com
> To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
> CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
>
>
> Good discussion,
>
> Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
> climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
> good bugs in this weather.
>
> Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
> of emergency. Birds get sick fast.
>
> From one who lived with birds, Peter
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick  wrote:
>
> True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
> Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
> years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.
>
>
>
> 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
> cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
> into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
> energy).
>
>
>
> In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
> good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
> small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
> for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
> traditional overwintering sites.)
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
> *To:* Orhan Birol
> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>
>
>
> My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
> mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
> diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
> on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
> many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
> wrote:
>
> On Sunday I observed both.
>
> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
>
> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
> the cold.
>
> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
>
> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Orhan Birol
>
> Shelter Island
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Will Raup]

Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.
Will RaupGlenmont, NYDate: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: peter.co...@gmail.com
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Good discussion,
Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather. 
Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast. 
>From one who lived with birds, Peter
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick  wrote:
True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.  2011-12 was a mild 
winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold tolerance (they lack 
down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into torpor overnight even in 
comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).  In any case, don’t sell 
birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality food. (The question in my 
mind, aside from availability of small fruits and such, is whether or not they 
are an adequate substitute for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, 
versus in milder traditional overwintering sites.) Rick From: 
bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances? My memory of 
Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or partly 
frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects when 
available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability of 
small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and Starlings, 
than on the availability of insects.Hugh On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan 
Birol  wrote:On Sunday I observed both.The Cassins was 
flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.I think the row of low 
evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community gardens and plenty of 
shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.The Couches also has 
enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 minutes I was there, 
it called nonstop but never fed.I have no idea if the insects both feed on will 
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[Peter Colen]

Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
good bugs in this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

>From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick  wrote:

> True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
> Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
> years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.
>
>
>
> 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
> cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
> into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
> energy).
>
>
>
> In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
> good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
> small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
> for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
> traditional overwintering sites.)
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
> *To:* Orhan Birol
> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>
>
>
> My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
> mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
> diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
> on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
> many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
> wrote:
>
> On Sunday I observed both.
>
> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
>
> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
> the cold.
>
> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
>
> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Orhan Birol
>
> Shelter Island
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Rick]

True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012. 

 

2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy). 

 

In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)

 

Rick

 

From: bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

 

My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh

 

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol  wrote:

On Sunday I observed both.

The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.

The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight. 

Any thoughts?

Orhan Birol

Shelter Island

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Hugh McGuinness]

My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol  wrote:

> On Sunday I observed both.
> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
> the cold.
> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
> Any thoughts?
> Orhan Birol
> Shelter Island
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[nysbirds-l] RBA Buffalo Bird Report 08 Jan 2015

[David Suggs]

- RBA
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* 01/08/2015
* NYBU1501.08
- Birds mentioned

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  A program on last winter's SNOWY OWL invasion, including
  photographs, will be presented. Visitors are always welcome
  at BOS meetings.]

  Eared Grebe
  Great Blue Heron
  Trumpeter Swan
  Tundra Swan
  Ross's Goose
  Northern Shoveler
  Gadwall
  American Wigeon
  Canvasback
  Redhead
  Ring-necked Duck
  Black Scoter
  White-winged Scoter
  Hooded Merganser
  Ruddy Duck
  Bald Eagle
  Peregrine Falcon
  American Coot
  Laughing Gull
  Little Gull
  Black-leg. Kittiwake
  Snowy Owl
  Hermit Thrush
  Northern Shrike

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  Hotline: Buffalo Bird Report at the Buffalo Museum of Science
  Date: 01/08/2015
  Number:   716-896-1271
  To Report:Same
  Compiler: David F. Suggs
  Coverage: Western New York and adjacent Ontario
  Website:  www.BuffaloOrnithologicalSociety.org

  Thursday, January 8, 2015

  The Buffalo Bird Report is a service provided by your
  Buffalo Museum of Science and the Buffalo Ornithological
  Society. To contact the Science Museum, call 896-5200. Press
  the pound key to report sightings before the end of this
  report.

  Highlights of reports through January 8 from the Niagara
  Frontier Region.

  January 1, a rare, adult BLACK-LEG. KITTIWAKE at Gallagher's
  Beach on the Buffalo outer harbor waterfront, along Fuhrmann
  Blvd. And, PEREGRINE FALCON at the nest box on the Holcim
  building at the south end of the harbor.

  Back on December 21 and 23, a LAUGHING GULL at Dunkirk
  Harbor. Waterfowl at the harbor included GADWALL, AMERICAN
  WIGEON, NORTHERN SHOVELER, CANVASBACK, REDHEAD, RING-NECKED
  DUCK, WHITE-WINGED SCOTER, BLACK SCOTER, HOODED MERGANSER
  and RUDDY DUCK, plus 167 AMERICAN COOTS.

  On the 23rd, a rare find of an EARED GREBE on Lake Erie,
  off the north end of Evangola State Park in southern Erie
  County. Also 6 BALD EAGLES at Evangola.

  January 8, a juvenile ROSS'S GOOSE was still at Beaver
  Island State Park, on the west river beach at the marina,
  with 120 TUNDRA SWANS, 3 BALD EAGLES and a wing-tagged
  juvenile TRUMPETER SWAN.

  Another good winter for SNOWY OWLS in the region - recent
  reports from the Buffalo-Niagara Airport, the tower at
  Golden Hill State Park on Lake Ontario in Somerset, north of
  the Iroquois Refuge on Posson Road in Shelby, and the Small
  Boat Harbor on the Buffalo waterfront.

  On the upper Niagara River, several LITTLE GULLS at the
  Peace Bridge and the north end of Squaw Island at the Black
  Rock Canal. At Strawberry Island, a pair of BALD EAGLES at
  the nest, and 16 wintering GREAT BLUE HERONS.

  Other reports - NORTHERN SHRIKE on Grand Island at the
  airfield on Alt Blvd. And in Buffalo, a HERMIT THRUSH in the
  rails to trails area behind the LaSalle rail station.

  The first BOS meeting of the year will be on Wednesday,
  January 14, at 7 pm, at the Buffalo Museum of Science. A
  program on last winter's SNOWY OWL invasion, including
  photographs, will be presented. Visitors are always welcome
  at BOS meetings.

  The Bird Report will be updated Thursday evening, January
  15. Please call in your sightings by noon Thursday. You may
  report sightings after the tone. Thank you for calling and
  reporting.

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[nysbirds-l] Massapequa Preserve

[Robert A. Proniewych]

The weather says winter, but the birds said spring. Pulling into the Walker
Street parking lot the first bird to greet me was an Eastern Phoebe.
Walking over the bridge just west of the parking lot, a Gray Catbird sat
out on a wild rose bush feeding and preening. Walking north on the paved
pedestrian I started my vigil for two warblers, Nashville and
Orange-crowned. They did not disappoint.  Both appeared around noon feeding
on the cattails growing in the marsh on the northside of the parking lot
and keeping company with one another. Some other birds noted were: Rusty
Blackbird, Yellow-bellied Sapsucker, Winter Wren, Swamp Sparrow and an
American Tree Sparrow seen there yesterday.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Hugh McGuinness]

My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sunday I observed both.
 The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
 I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
 community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
 the cold.
 The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
 The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
 I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
 Any thoughts?
 Orhan Birol
 Shelter Island
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Rick]

True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012. 

 

2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy). 

 

In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)

 

Rick

 

From: bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

 

My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh

 

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday I observed both.

The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.

The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight. 

Any thoughts?

Orhan Birol

Shelter Island

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[nysbirds-l] Belmont lake

[Rob Bate]

The flock of 800 Canada Geese began lifting off from the significant open water 
around 9:45 this morning. The Barnacle Goose was on the extreme western shore 
at the far edge of the flock. Four Greater White-fronted Geese were tucked up 
in the cove (inlet?) at the north east corner of the lake. There was at least 
one Cackling Goose in the middle of the flock. No Snow Geese on the lake, they 
must roost elsewhere. It was cold. 

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[Isaac Grant]

1:00 at w4th and 11th. Flew towards Bleecker

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Peter Colen]

Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
good bugs in this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
 Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
 years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
 cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
 into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
 energy).



 In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
 good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
 small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
 for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
 traditional overwintering sites.)



 Rick



 *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
 bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
 *To:* Orhan Birol
 *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



 My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
 mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
 diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
 on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
 many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

 Hugh



 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sunday I observed both.

 The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

 I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
 community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
 the cold.

 The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
 The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

 I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

 Any thoughts?

 Orhan Birol

 Shelter Island

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[nysbirds-l] NYC: Counch's Kingbird continues

[Angus Wilson]

I've just heard via Andrew Rubenfeld that Eric Ozawa saw the West Village
COUCH'S KINGBIRD this morning despite the frigid temperatures, especially
overnight. Exact location was not provided but presumable this was at or
close to one of the spots it has favored recently.

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[nysbirds-l] Barnacle and Snow Geese

[Tim Dunn]

Continuing Barnacle Goose and one Snow Goose are now at Colonial Springs with 
the Canada flock. 

Thanks,
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Babylon, NY
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Will Raup]

Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.
Will RaupGlenmont, NYDate: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: peter.co...@gmail.com
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Good discussion,
Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather. 
Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast. 
From one who lived with birds, Peter
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.  2011-12 was a mild 
winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold tolerance (they lack 
down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into torpor overnight even in 
comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).  In any case, don’t sell 
birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality food. (The question in my 
mind, aside from availability of small fruits and such, is whether or not they 
are an adequate substitute for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, 
versus in milder traditional overwintering sites.) Rick From: 
bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances? My memory of 
Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or partly 
frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects when 
available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability of 
small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and Starlings, 
than on the availability of insects.Hugh On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan 
Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com wrote:On Sunday I observed both.The Cassins was 
flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.I think the row of low 
evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community gardens and plenty of 
shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.The Couches also has 
enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 minutes I was there, 
it called nonstop but never fed.I have no idea if the insects both feed on will 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Justin Lawson]

Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:

 It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
 Wouldn't you want the same done for you?

 Linda Orkin
 Ithaca,  NY

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hoaryredp...@hotmail.com'); wrote:


 Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their
 normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return
 home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand
 back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved.

 Will Raup
 Glenmont, NY


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 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
 From: peter.co...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','peter.co...@gmail.com');
 To: rc...@nyc.rr.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rc...@nyc.rr.com');
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 Good discussion,

 Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
 climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
 good bugs in this weather.

 Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
 of emergency. Birds get sick fast.

 From one who lived with birds, Peter

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick rc...@nyc.rr.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rc...@nyc.rr.com'); wrote:

 True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
 Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
 years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
 cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
 into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
 energy).



 In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
 good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
 small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
 for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
 traditional overwintering sites.)



 Rick



 *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu');
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 *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
 *To:* Orhan Birol
 *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



 My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
 mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
 diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
 on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
 many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

 Hugh



 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','orhanbir...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 On Sunday I observed both.

 The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

 I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
 community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
 the cold.

 The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
 The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

 I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

 Any thoughts?

 Orhan Birol

 Shelter Island

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[McIntyre, Annie (PARKS)]

Interesting discussion but please continue privately off list.

Thank you.

From: bounce-118684169-10774...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118684169-10774...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Lawson
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:09 AM
To: Linda Orkin
Cc: Will Raup; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin 
wingmagi...@gmail.commailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.   Wouldn't 
you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
hoaryredp...@hotmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hoaryredp...@hotmail.com');
 wrote:

Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY


Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: 
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To: rc...@nyc.rr.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rc...@nyc.rr.com');
CC: 
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Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick 
rc...@nyc.rr.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rc...@nyc.rr.com'); wrote:

True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).



In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)



Rick



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 On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
orhanbir...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','orhanbir...@gmail.com'); 
wrote:

On Sunday I observed both.

The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.

The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

Any thoughts?

Orhan Birol

Shelter Island

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Linda Orkin]

It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
Wouldn't you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:


 Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their
 normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return
 home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand
 back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved.

 Will Raup
 Glenmont, NY


 --
 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
 From: peter.co...@gmail.com
 To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
 CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu


 Good discussion,

 Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
 climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
 good bugs in this weather.

 Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
 of emergency. Birds get sick fast.

 From one who lived with birds, Peter

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
 Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
 years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
 cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
 into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
 energy).



 In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
 good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
 small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
 for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
 traditional overwintering sites.)



 Rick



 *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
 bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
 *To:* Orhan Birol
 *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



 My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
 mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
 diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
 on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
 many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

 Hugh



 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sunday I observed both.

 The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

 I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
 community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
 the cold.

 The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
 The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

 I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

 Any thoughts?

 Orhan Birol

 Shelter Island

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Linda Orkin]

Suffering is suffering, compassion is compassion.

Linda Orkin
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On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Justin Lawson justindlaw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.


 On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:

 It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
 Wouldn't you want the same done for you?

 Linda Orkin
 Ithaca,  NY

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
 wrote:


 Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of
 their normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and
 return home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we
 should stand back and let nature take its course and not get directly
 involved.

 Will Raup
 Glenmont, NY


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 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
 From: peter.co...@gmail.com
 To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
 CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com;
 NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu


 Good discussion,

 Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
 climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
 good bugs in this weather.

 Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
 of emergency. Birds get sick fast.

 From one who lived with birds, Peter

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
 Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
 years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
 cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
 into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
 energy).



 In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
 good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
 small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
 for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
 traditional overwintering sites.)



 Rick



 *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
 bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh
 McGuinness
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
 *To:* Orhan Birol
 *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



 My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
 mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
 diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
 on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
 many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

 Hugh



 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sunday I observed both.

 The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

 I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
 community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
 the cold.

 The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
 The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

 I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

 Any thoughts?

 Orhan Birol

 Shelter Island

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Paul R Sweet]

NY Birders

While on the subject of vagrants and their possible demise, I would like to 
reiterate that if a bird such as this does die and is found it should be 
deposited in a natural history collection where it can be permanently archived.

Thanks, Paul Sweet


Paul Sweet
Collection Manager
Department of Ornithology
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West at 79th Street
New York, NY 10024

Tel: 212 769 5780
Cell: 718 757 5941



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[mailto:bounce-118684156-11471...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Will Raup
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Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY


Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: peter.co...@gmail.com
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick 
rc...@nyc.rr.commailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
True, and don't forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I'm aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.

2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).

In any case, don't sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)

Rick

From: 
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[mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu]
 On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
Hugh

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
orhanbir...@gmail.commailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday I observed both.
The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.
The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
Any thoughts?
Orhan Birol
Shelter Island
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Grover, Bob]

Unless someone has some science to add, we should probably move on.
Bob Grover







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[mailto:bounce-118684178-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Orkin
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:13 AM
To: Justin Lawson
Cc: Will Raup; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

Suffering is suffering, compassion is compassion.
Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Justin Lawson 
justindlaw...@gmail.commailto:justindlaw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.


On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin 
wingmagi...@gmail.commailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.   Wouldn't 
you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
hoaryredp...@hotmail.commailto:hoaryredp...@hotmail.com wrote:

Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY


Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
From: peter.co...@gmail.commailto:peter.co...@gmail.com
To: rc...@nyc.rr.commailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com
CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.commailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; 
orhanbir...@gmail.commailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com; 
NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edumailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu

Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick 
rc...@nyc.rr.commailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).



In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)



Rick



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 [mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Orhan Birol
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
orhanbir...@gmail.commailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday I observed both.

The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.

The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

Any thoughts?

Orhan Birol

Shelter Island

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Phil Jeffrey]

If it's fluttering around in the street about to get pretzeled by a taxi
I'm sure someone can get it to the Wild Bird Fund on the Upper West Side in
Manhattan.
http://wildbirdfund.org/

In contrast to Rick Cech's point of view, Selasphorus hummingbirds and
Western Tanagers show several records from Feb-Mar indicating overwintering
success in this region.  Western Kingbird or Ash-throated Flycatcher
essentially none.  If I were prone to wagering on survival rates of
vagrants I know where I'd put my money.

Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:

 It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
 Wouldn't you want the same done for you?

 Linda Orkin
 Ithaca,  NY

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
 wrote:


 Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their
 normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return
 home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand
 back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved.

 Will Raup
 Glenmont, NY


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 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
 From: peter.co...@gmail.com
 To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
 CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu


 Good discussion,

 Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
 climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
 good bugs in this weather.

 Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
 of emergency. Birds get sick fast.

 From one who lived with birds, Peter

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
 Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
 years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
 cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
 into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
 energy).



 In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
 good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
 small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
 for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
 traditional overwintering sites.)



 Rick



 *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
 bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
 *To:* Orhan Birol
 *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



 My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
 mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
 diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
 on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
 many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

 Hugh



 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sunday I observed both.

 The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

 I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
 community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
 the cold.

 The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
 The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

 I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

 Any thoughts?

 Orhan Birol

 Shelter Island

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[nysbirds-l] Barnacle and Snow Geese suff. Co.

[Arie Gilbert]

The Barnacle Goose was on Belmont Lake at 930am and a Snow Goose was on 
Colonial Springs golf course at 11am as seen from Wellwood ave. 


01/08/2015 @ 11:30 AM

Arie Gilbert 
No. Babylon NY 


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[nysbirds-l] Bohemian Waxwing

[Rich Perkins / TAM]

We had a Bohemian Waxwing in the yard in Miller Place on North Shore.
Pictures taken and can been seen on flickr account below.  Bird responded
with identical call when Bohemian Waxwing song was played from iphone.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/123534288@N08/

 

 

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