Re: [obrolan-bandar] ctra; to pak oentoeng.

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik gitto kurniasanto



pengen tanya neh pak. apakah ctra msh mau nyalip ctrs
atau udah saatnya kta buang muatan? pengen avg up tapi
ragu pak. thx.
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 HOT RUMORS 
 
 ADHI target harga 1400
 SMCB 1000
 INPC 100
 BUMI 1500
 BNII akan ke 250
 INKP 3800 (nilai bukunya) - sekarang harga sahamnya
dibawah nilai bukunya
 
 
 INGAT SEMUA KUNTUNGAN ATAUPUN KERUGIAN DITANGGUNG
OLEH ANDA SENDIRI.
 
 WASPADALAH ! ! ! 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] ctra; to pak oentoeng.

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik gitto kurniasanto



pengen tanya neh pak. apakah ctra msh mau nyalip ctrs
atau udah saatnya kta buang muatan? pengen avg up tapi
ragu pak. thx.
--- obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
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 HOT RUMORS 
 
 ADHI target harga 1400
 SMCB 1000
 INPC 100
 BUMI 1500
 BNII akan ke 250
 INKP 3800 (nilai bukunya) - sekarang harga sahamnya
dibawah nilai bukunya
 
 
 INGAT SEMUA KUNTUNGAN ATAUPUN KERUGIAN DITANGGUNG
OLEH ANDA SENDIRI.
 
 WASPADALAH ! ! ! 
 BERINVESTASI DI SAHAM SANGAT BERESIKO TINGGI ! ! !
 
 ini hanyalah rumor, anda harus mengecek
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[obrolan-bandar] IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik jsx-consultant



IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

The analysis BELOWS is based on a Multidimensional Analysis using
MOFIFIED Elliott Wave, Fibonacci dan Bandarmologi.

Wave Numbering in EllliotBAH technique is NOT based on STRICT Elliott
Wave Principle but ADJUSTED to reflect Capital Movement. So you WILL 
find that the Wave Number is DIFFERENT with the one that is 
produced by ELWAVE.

These are the SUMMARY of analysis based on ElliottBAH analysis:
- Based on Negative Capital Movement in the wave 5 period, and the
 ABNORMAL burst in ENDING DIAGONAL formation, Embah CONCLUDE that
 IHSG has completed a five wave impulse wave from 1220 to 1153 
 (in RED color).
- AT THE HIGHER WAVE LEVEL, IHSG has completed impulsive wave 3 
 (in blue) and now IHSG is entering Correction Wave 4.
- IHSG will enter a Correction phase with the following CORRECTION
 TARGET:
 - SHORT TERM correction target:
 - IHSG will have SUPPORT at the following level:
 - Support at 1510 which is an intersection of 38,2 
 retracement and GREEN LINE bullish suport line.
 - Next support will be at 50% and 61% that is at 1497 and 1482.
 - MEDIUM TERM correction target:
 - IHSG will retrace to the end of Wave 4 (in RED) that is 1440 
 (a 100% retracement) which also near the 33,2% retracement 
 for Higher level Wave 3 (in BLUE) at 1427.

For next week, let's check whether the subwave of Correction Wave A is
an impulse or correction to determine whether this is a ZIZZAG or 
other corrective pattern.

...

embah




  
  
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik EKA SUWANDANA



Fair Value tahun 2005 yg lalu memang betul ada dikisaran 2400-2800. Yg dihitung fund manager bukan fair value yg sekarang tapi fair value kedepan. Kalo lihat yg sekarang bisa terus2an ketinggalan. Contoh PGAS dari tahun 2005 sudah di tarik keatas,padahal pipa belum jadi satupun saat itu. Dan ketika kontrak harga baru naik 40%, sahamnya di tarik 100%. Utk PTBA, Fair Value ada di kisaran 7000 apabila di tambah 2 double track rel + PLTU Bankarsari + PLTU Banko Tengah, jadi revenues nambah 5x.Kalo di tambah lagi PLTU ARAHAN UTARA yah lebih dari itu, pastinya tunggu nego kontrak harga, sepertinya nunggu TDL naik !!! Saya berdo'a terus supaya TDL naik...he ..he, biar Fair Value-nya juga naik. Soalnya pasti kontrak utk PLTU baru akan bertambah, karena investor semakin tergoda. Lumayan hedging iuran listrik.Dhany S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 pak, fair valuenya ptba saat ini di berapa sih? ada rumor yang ngabari valuenya di 2800...  Untung saya pegangan fundamennya pak Eka...  jadinya masih saya keep terus... Thanks a lot ya pak.. sempat pt 2 minggu lalu, tapi terus nabrak lagi..dan PROFIT!dan untungnya saya nggak pake exit strategi ketat, kalau tidak hari Rabu kemarin bisa-bisa udah lepas...  Rupanya para bandar itu pinter juga ya nurunin sampai yg disiplin exit strategi kelempar dari market...mohon
 advice nya ya pak... saya sampai saat ini masih pegang ptba dan blta! Apakah ptba masih bisa avrg up.. rabu mau avrg up duitnya belum ada.. sekarang udah tinggi..Ada info saham lain yg se menggiurkan ini?Disclaimer :The information contained in this communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Unless otherwise specifically stated by the sender, any documents or views presented are solely those of the sender and do not constitute official documents or views of PT Bank Niaga Tbk. If you have received
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[obrolan-bandar] INCO

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik EKA SUWANDANA



Berita INCO dari www.thestar.com , INCO pusat sedang coba akuisisi Falconbridge, sedangkan TECK (bukan TAEK) coba akuisisi INCO dgn syarat INCO nggak jadi merger dgn Falconbridge. Ini berita sedang ramai di Canada sana, di ulas di CNBC dan BLOOMBERG. Ada segi positif apabila TECK jadi akuisisi INCO utk INCO Indonesia. Teck terkenal sbg perusahaan paling effisien. So bisa jadi Kalo TECK yg akuisisi INCO bakalan GO PRIVATE ?  Tentang TECK saya highlight di bawah!!!Inco sweetens bid for rival Falconbridge  May14, 2006. 12:25AM  Mining giant Inco Ltd. (TSX: N) has sweetened its friendly cash and share
 bid for rival Falconbridge Ltd. to more than $19 billion and thrown a big financial roadblock in the way of any rival bids, the Toronto company announced late Saturday.   Inco said it had agreed to raise its bid to acquire all of Falconbridge's outstanding common shares by $5 to $51.17 a share, sweetening an earlier bid announced last year by about $1.9 billion.   With 372.3 million shares of Falconbridge outstanding, the new bid values the entire nickel and copper miner at just over $19 billion, making the friendly deal the biggest merger in Canadian mining history if it succeeds.   In addition, the two companies agreed that Falconbridge would pay Inco a penalty fee of up to $450 million US if the friendly deal is not completed. That measure would make it prohibitively expensive for any rival bidder to mount a successful counter offer and trigger the penalty provision.   Rumours have been circulating for months that Swiss-based
 Xstrata, a global metals and coal mining giant which already owns 20 per cent of Falconbridge, is planning to mount its own hostile offer to acquire the rest of the company.   Xstrata could also tender its Falconbridge shares to the Inco bid, cashing in a tidy profit if it decides not to counter the offer or if it believes the break fee is too expensive.   "The enhanced terms reflect the change in metal market dynamics and the additional value created in Falconbridge because of higher metal prices," Scott Hand, chairman and CEO of Inco, said in a news release.   "They also demonstrate our continuing conviction that combining Inco and Falconbridge to create the great company that the new Inco will be is in the best interests of shareholders of both companies over the long term."   The original Inco bid for Falconbridge was valued at more than $17 billion, but Saturday's offer increases its value to about $19 billion, based on
 Friday's closing share prices.   Derek Pannell, CEO of Falconbridge, praised the new offer, saying it adds $1.9 billion of additional value for Falconbridge shareholders, who would wind up owning about 47 per cent of the combined company.   "This is the right deal with the right company," he said. "The mining world has long understood that Inco and Falconbridge are logical partners and this has only been underscored by the improved metals market environment.   "The tangible synergies available to the combined company are much greater under current metals prices than previously estimated and are focused directly on enhancing our operating platform, rather than simply eliminating corporate overlap and jobs."   The sweetened deal comes just days after Teck-Cominco, a Vancouver-based zinc, iron and coal miner, launched a hostile bid for Inco — a move that is conditional on Inco dropping its takeover offer for Falconbridge.
   Teck Cominco said its bid is worth $17.8 billion in cash and shares, which would make the deal one of the biggest takeovers in Canadian mining history if it succeeds.   But the offer is conditional on Inco dropping its takeover of Falconbridge, which itself merged less than a year ago with Noranda Inc., its former parent company.   When Inco's bid for Falconbridge was announced last year, the two companies estimated that efficiencies and cost savings resulting from their combination would total $350 million US per year as a result of improved efficiencies and better use of resources, primarily at their mines, processing mills and smelters in the northern Ontario industrial city of Sudbury.   The Inco-Falconbridge combination will create a mining and metals powerhouse.   "As we have said, the combined company will have some of the best mines and project pipelines in nickel and
 copper, two metals we believe have the best economic fundamentals over the next few years," Hand said.budi suryono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Iya pak,INCO is one of my biggest bet,modal saya sudah100 % disini,lumayan untuk jaminan margin.Next buying untuk INCO saya rencanakan sudah pake margin, mudah2an minggu2 mendatang disusul ANTAM dan saham tambang lainnya he.he..he.,SalamEKA SUWANDANA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak BUDI berani gelantungan terus di atas yah? ada berita di Bloomberg kemarin ttg INCO pusat yg di Kanada. Katanya sedang nogo mau di akuisisi oleh perusahaan tambanglain ( Taek--gitu?ntah apa)By the way, INCO di seluruh dunia operasionalnya
 terkenal 

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Jam 11:17PM,Nickel all time high 9,3USD/lb, Gold touched 700 USD/ounce, Strong Buy ANTM

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik EKA SUWANDANA



Kitcometals lagi hang! Cek aja di www.lme.com tapi dalam tonne, bagi aja dgn 2204,5 dapet tuh harga /lb.Teddy Halim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Saham INCO (N) di US (NYSE) spt terlampir chartnya.. dia listing juga di beberapa SE lain:Stock Exchange Ticker SymbolsToronto  NNew York  NLondon  NParis  INCLSwiss  NBrussels  NTFrankfurt  INCHarga Nickel masih naik (liat chartnya juga).. tapi barusan koq drop tinggal US$ 3,31 (turun US% 6,10) lihat chart yg saya copy dari Kitco.. salah dimana ya? http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/nickel_historical_large.html#1year




  
  
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[obrolan-bandar] INCO TECK (2)

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik EKA SUWANDANA



Thanx pak TEDDY, pokoknya saya lebih suka (seperti para analis Bloomberg kebanyakan) kalo TECK yg ambil INCO daripada Falconbridge diambil INCO. Teck terkenal tukang potong cost. Margin rata2 utk produk yg sama dan tambang yg berdekatan TECK bisa lebih untung 20-40%. Kalo TECK jadi ambil INCO, imbasnya juga pasti bagus utk INCO di sini.   Teddy Halim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Pak Eka kalau boleh saya urun info dari mencoba cari soal merger ini dan ada press release tgl 8 Mei dan dibawahnya ada berita yg diambil dari situs Teck Cominco ttg soal merger ini :  Inco responds to announcement by Teck
 ComincoToronto, May 8, 2006 -- Inco Limited has reviewed the press release issued today by Teck Cominco Limited indicating that Teck Cominco intends to make an unsolicited offer to purchase all of the outstanding shares of Inco.   Our Board of Directors will review the formal offer from Teck Cominco when it is made available and we will make a statement in due course. Teck Cominco has announced that its offer will be subject to a number of   conditions, including that Inco's announced takeover bid for Falconbridge Limited shall have been withdrawn or terminated without any shares of Falconbridge having been purchased pursuant to such bid.  Inco remains   committed to its friendly, value-creating transaction with Falconbridge and to meeting its obligations under the support agreement with Falconbridge. Note to Security Holders:The exchange offer proposed by Teck Cominco and described in
 this release   has not commenced. In response to the proposed exchange offer by Teck Cominco, if and when commenced, Inco will file with the SEC a Solicitation/Recommendation Statement on Schedule 14D-9.Important Legal Information  This release may be deemed to be solicitation material in respect of Inco's pending acquisition of Falconbridge.  Inco has filed a registration statement on Form F-8 and amendments thereto containing a share exchange   take-over bid circular and notice of extension of offer delivered to the shareholders of Falconbridge and other documents with the SEC and may be filing additional amendments to the registration statement on Form F-8.  INVESTORS AND SECURITYHOLDERS ARE URGED TO READ THE REGISTRATION STATEMENT AND ANY AMENDMENT AND ANY OTHER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS FILED OR THAT WILL BE FILED WITH THE SEC WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY CONTAIN OR WILL   CONTAIN IMPORTANT
 INFORMATION.IN 06/15May 8, 2006-  Teck Cominco Limited Announces C$78.50 Per Share Offer For Inco Limited HighlightsInco shareholders to receive C$78.50 per share in cash or shares: C$28.00 in cash and 0.6293 of a Teck Cominco Class B share at full pro rationCombination of Teck Cominco and Inco will create a broadly diversified Canadian-based mining company with the financial strength to capitalize on its world-class asset portfolioNew Teck Cominco will have market-leading positions in zinc, nickel and metallurgical coal and a significant presence in copper, gold and other commoditiesNew Teck Cominco will have an extensive portfolio of long-life, low-cost
 assets, a well-sequenced growth profile and substantial capacity to fund growth internallyOffer represents a premium of 27.8% and 20.1% to the 30-day volume weighted average price and closing price, respectively, of Inco shares as at May 5, 2006.  Transaction is expected to be accretive to Teck Cominco 's earnings and cash flow per share  Vancouver, B.C., May 8, 2006 -- Teck Cominco Limited [TSX:TEK.MV.A and TEK.SV.B] announced today that it will make a C$17.8 billion cash and share offer to acquire all of the outstanding shares of Inco Limited, conditional on Inco not completing its announced takeover bid for Falconbridge Ltd. Inco shareholders will receive C$78.50 per common share in cash or shares: C$28.00 in cash and 0.6293 of a Teck Class B subordinate voting share at full pro ration. The business
 combination, with a pro forma enterprise value of approximately C$35 billion, will create a broadly diversified Canadian-based mining company with market-leading positions in zinc, nickel and metallurgical coal and a significant presence in copper, gold and other commodities. The offer represents a premium of 27.8% and 20.1% to the 30-day volume weighted average price and closing price, respectively, of Inco common shares on the Toronto Stock Exchange as at May 5, 2006.   Teck Cominco President and Chief Executive Officer, Donald R. Lindsay said: "This combination of two great mining companies will create a Canadian powerhouse on the world stage, with the financial strength and management skills necessary to capitalize on its existing portfolio of long-life, low-cost operations and its unique portfolio of world-class development projects. Those same strengths will also enable the new Teck Cominco to compete for and
 develop the world's next generation of great mining assets."  New Teck Cominco will be:The world's leading zinc miner   The world's 

Re: [obrolan-bandar] INCO TECK (2)

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Teddy Halim



Saya juga terima kasih info dari pak Eka.. dan insights nya. Saya sepakat kalau dapat manager yg ngelola baik tentu sebuah usaha akan create better shareholder values..Selamat pak.. dan saya pernah dpt kesejahteraan lumayan dari Inco baru baru ini.. Hope you did make a good one too.
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Thanx pak TEDDY, pokoknya saya lebih suka (seperti para analis Bloomberg kebanyakan) kalo TECK yg ambil INCO daripada Falconbridge diambil INCO. Teck terkenal tukang potong cost. Margin rata2 utk produk yg sama dan tambang yg berdekatan TECK bisa lebih untung 20-40%. Kalo TECK jadi ambil INCO, imbasnya juga pasti bagus utk INCO di sini. 






  
  
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[obrolan-bandar] WERUH SADURUNING WINARAH…….

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik oentoeng_q



Artinya adalah TAHU SEBELUM TERJADI…….
Apakah hal seperti itu hanya konsumsi Yang di Atas?
Saya ingin mencoba bahwa kita-pun bisa BERMAIN-MAIN masa depan tanpa 
harus MELANGKAHI porsi yang telah ditetapkan yang Maha Kuasa.

Ilmu Weruh Saduruning Winarah ini saya tahu dari buku Senopati 
Pamungkas-nya Arswendo Atmowiloto. Suatu Ilmu Tingkat Tinggi yang 
hanya bisa DILAKUKAN oleh orang2 Jawa Kuno…..yg telah mencapai 
derajat sangat tinggi dlm kebijaksanaan. Makanya beberapa saat lalu 
saya ingin mencoba kebijaksanaan saya dengan membuka peluang koreksi 
seluas2nya….utk melihat apakah saya sudah bijakasana??? Maksudnya 
mau dikritik, disalahin, bahkan dibodohin tanpa harus emosi maupun 
dendam! 
Hehehe……..buktinya sampai sekarang masih bisa ketawa tuh…

Langsung aja; maksud saya adalah menjelaskan kenapa saya 
coba2 MENGENDORSE untuk melakukan BUY and HOLD….as long as 
possible….utk INAF, TINS, PNBN!
Ada banyak alasan kenapa itu saya lakukan….tapi yg paling MENDASAR 
adalah melihat keyakinan begitu banyak orang yg OPTIMIS bahwa Indeks 
BEJ akan menuju 2000! It's so simple…..tapi setiap saham saya punya 
banyak alasan yaitu:
1.INAF, KAEF….
Saya seringkali berucap bahwa 2 saham ini adalah BUMN yg belum 
pernah DIBENAHI secara harga maupun kinerja. Saya hanya berpikir 
apakah sampai indeks 2000-pun saham ini TIDAK AKAN BERGERAK 
Timing-nya kemarin memang saya BERANI pilih karena saat mereka 
memang MASIH di LEVEL yg RENDAH!
Dari sisi waktu level 2000 kan sudah dekat…..BERARTI……PERGERAKAN 2 
saham ini juga TIDAK AKAN LAMA LAGI…..
Wong pemerintah saat ini juga sedang gencar2nya membenahi 
BUMN…….masak mereka juga tidak dibenahi? Ya nggak? Yang jelas alasan 
saya masih banyak…..
2.TINS….
Semua orang sekarang lagi GANDRUNG ama saham2 pertambangan yg lagi 
RUNNING, IN,….sedang TRENDY kalau bicara MODE…..tapi saham satu ini 
kelihatan TERBENGKALAI…..karena masih belum nge-TREND. Dengan 
pengalaman pernah ikut mengerekkk saat 1700….makanya saya BERANI 
mengendorse saham ini. Karena saya rasakan SUDAH DEKAT 
WAKTUNYA….makanya saya juga berani pilih…….
Jauh hari saya tahu bahwa pergerakan minyak ini hanyalah permainan 
politik tingkat tinggi, …..makanya harga komoditas pertambangan akan 
one way….naik terus! Masak minyak, batubara, nikel, emas, TIMAH dll 
harganya naik…HARGA SAHAMnya juga….naik GILA2an….makanya tidak salah 
kan kalau TINS nanti juga menyusul GILA-nya? Masak kalau org bilang 
lahannya mulai menipis tapi dalam Lapkeu SALES-nya dari tahun ke 
tahun terus NAIK….!? Lihat PTBA bisa menggila….masak TINS yg market 
share-nya cuman ¼ PTBA tidak bisa LEBIH GILA Yang jelas alasan 
saya masih banyak……. 
3.PNBN….
Sebenarnya beberapa alasan saya, sudah saya katakan beberapa kali 
sebelumnya. Malah ada teman2 yg sangat jeli melihat PERGERAKAN 
saham ini…..sejak Indeks masih rendah (200). Ini memang 
mengesampingkan PNBN pernah memberikan Saham bonus….tapi secara 
fundamental yaitu PBV adalah salah satu factor yg paling sering 
digunakan! Kalau Indeks BEJ sering mencapai ALL TIME HIGH…..seperti 
yg sering diikuti sahamnya P. Busur dkk…..masak PNBN tidak bisa 
menunjukkan KEPERKASAANNYA…untuk menyentuh HAL YG SAMA Kalau 
tidak sekarang kapan lagi? Saatnya saya pilih karena harga PNBN 
kebetulan juga sedang di PERBATASAN…..fraksi maupun PBV…..Masak 
saham likuiditas tinggi lain bisa bergerak dia yg memang DIBANDARIN 
secara ketat tidak bisa bergerak?
Sekali lagi alasan saya masih banyak…..

Jadi teman2 mungkin bisa memahami Ilmu yang sedang saya RAPAL saat 
ini……sekali lagi ini salah satu TEKNIK TANGAN KOSONG…..karena 
MERAPAL itu dilakukan dengan menggosok2 kedua belah tangan sambil 
bersila atau berdiri dan berkonsentrasi…..
Hehehe……

Semoga saya mengambil posisi sebagai INVESTOR utk 3 saham ini bisa 
CUAN BANYAK….karena sekarang-pun sudah lumayan CUAN-nya.
Mohon doa restunya…dari Mbah dan teman2 OB lainnya…..kalau ini gagal 
berarti saya masih kurang bijaksana…berarti masih harus banyak 
latihan lagi di kemudian hari…..

BOZZ…..tolong BERTINDAKLAH…..sebelum TUHAN yang BERTINDAK…..
Saya hanya bisa BERUSAHA dan BERDOA……….









  
  
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: ctra; to pak oentoeng.

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik oentoeng_q



Hati2 sekali untuk CTRA sementara ini
Kan sudah saya bilang MAMMOUTH sedang di-TACKLING KERAS ama 
KINGKONG...
Sebenarnya saya tahu siapa KINGKONG ama MAMMOUTH...tapi biar saja 
mereka BERANTEM sendiriStay away...nonton bioskop Tans 
TV...lebih OK!?
Sambil nunggu siapa yg menang???
Ini juga berlaku ke beberapa saham yg digerakkan oleh 
MAMMOUTHkayaknya lagi DIINCER SEMUANYA!?
Setahu saya...BNGA, BNGA-W, BMRI, PTBA,who knows?

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Re: [obrolan-bandar] WERUH SADURUNING WINARAH…….

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik James Arifin



Dari pola chartnya kelihatannya bandar kehabisan tenaga buat dorong tuh saham-saham yang direkomendasikan pak oentoeng sehingga perlu bantuan tenaga dari para trader ... bagi saya sih lebih baik tunggu saja daripada kita mendahului para bozz2 akibatnya bisa fatal. Dengan kenaikan indeks yang luar biasa tapi saham ini mendem saja maka saat market mengalami koreksi maka biasanya Bozz pemegang saham ini akan melakukan koreksi lebih gila lagi di saham tersebut ... baru deh setelah itu dihitung-hitung berapa banyak yang di market dan berapa yang di tangan - kalau banyak di market maka tinggal nyebut  AMPUN - AMPUN DEH ...  Anyway, setiap orang memiliki hak untuk memutuskan jadi kalau yakin naik silakan ikut ... saya sih mendingan ikutan kereta yang sudah berangkat ketimbang nungguin pesawat yang masih delay dan sedang dalam proses ganti ban ...



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On 5/14/06, oentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Artinya adalah TAHU SEBELUM TERJADI…….Apakah hal seperti itu hanya konsumsi Yang di Atas?Saya ingin mencoba bahwa kita-pun bisa BERMAIN-MAIN masa depan tanpa harus MELANGKAHI porsi yang telah ditetapkan yang Maha Kuasa.
Ilmu Weruh Saduruning Winarah ini saya tahu dari buku Senopati Pamungkas-nya Arswendo Atmowiloto. Suatu Ilmu Tingkat Tinggi yang hanya bisa DILAKUKAN oleh orang2 Jawa Kuno…..yg telah mencapai derajat sangat tinggi dlm kebijaksanaan. Makanya beberapa saat lalu 
saya ingin mencoba kebijaksanaan saya dengan membuka peluang koreksi seluas2nya….utk melihat apakah saya sudah bijakasana??? Maksudnya mau dikritik, disalahin, bahkan dibodohin tanpa harus emosi maupun dendam! 
Hehehe……..buktinya sampai sekarang masih bisa ketawa tuh…Langsung aja; maksud saya adalah menjelaskan kenapa saya coba2 MENGENDORSE untuk melakukan BUY and HOLD….as long as possible….utk INAF, TINS, PNBN!
Ada banyak alasan kenapa itu saya lakukan….tapi yg paling MENDASAR adalah melihat keyakinan begitu banyak orang yg OPTIMIS bahwa Indeks BEJ akan menuju 2000! It's so simple…..tapi setiap saham saya punya banyak alasan yaitu:
1.INAF, KAEF….Saya seringkali berucap bahwa 2 saham ini adalah BUMN yg belum pernah DIBENAHI secara harga maupun kinerja. Saya hanya berpikir apakah sampai indeks 2000-pun saham ini TIDAK AKAN BERGERAK 
Timing-nya kemarin memang saya BERANI pilih karena saat mereka memang MASIH di LEVEL yg RENDAH!Dari sisi waktu level 2000 kan sudah dekat…..BERARTI……PERGERAKAN 2 saham ini juga TIDAK AKAN LAMA LAGI…..Wong pemerintah saat ini juga sedang gencar2nya membenahi 
BUMN…….masak mereka juga tidak dibenahi? Ya nggak? Yang jelas alasan saya masih banyak…..2.TINS….Semua orang sekarang lagi GANDRUNG ama saham2 pertambangan yg lagi RUNNING, IN,….sedang TRENDY kalau bicara MODE…..tapi saham satu ini 
kelihatan TERBENGKALAI…..karena masih belum nge-TREND. Dengan pengalaman pernah ikut mengerekkk saat 1700….makanya saya BERANI mengendorse saham ini. Karena saya rasakan SUDAH DEKAT 
WAKTUNYA….makanya saya juga berani pilih…….Jauh hari saya tahu bahwa pergerakan minyak ini hanyalah permainan politik tingkat tinggi, …..makanya harga komoditas pertambangan akan one way….naik terus! Masak minyak, batubara, nikel, emas, TIMAH dll 
harganya naik…HARGA SAHAMnya juga….naik GILA2an….makanya tidak salah kan kalau TINS nanti juga menyusul GILA-nya? Masak kalau org bilang lahannya mulai menipis tapi dalam Lapkeu SALES-nya dari tahun ke tahun terus NAIK….!? Lihat PTBA bisa menggila….masak TINS yg market 
share-nya cuman ¼ PTBA tidak bisa LEBIH GILA Yang jelas alasan saya masih banyak……. 3.PNBN….Sebenarnya beberapa alasan saya, sudah saya katakan beberapa kali sebelumnya. Malah ada teman2 yg sangat jeli melihat PERGERAKAN 
saham ini…..sejak Indeks masih rendah (200). Ini memang mengesampingkan PNBN pernah memberikan Saham bonus….tapi secara fundamental yaitu PBV adalah salah satu factor yg paling sering digunakan! Kalau Indeks BEJ sering mencapai ALL TIME HIGH…..seperti 
yg sering diikuti sahamnya P. Busur dkk…..masak PNBN tidak bisa menunjukkan KEPERKASAANNYA…untuk menyentuh HAL YG SAMA Kalau tidak sekarang kapan lagi? Saatnya saya pilih karena harga PNBN kebetulan juga sedang di PERBATASAN…..fraksi maupun PBV…..Masak 
saham likuiditas tinggi lain bisa bergerak dia yg memang DIBANDARIN secara ketat tidak bisa bergerak?Sekali lagi alasan saya masih banyak…..Jadi teman2 mungkin bisa memahami Ilmu yang sedang saya RAPAL saat 
ini……sekali lagi ini salah satu TEKNIK TANGAN KOSONG…..karena MERAPAL itu dilakukan dengan menggosok2 kedua belah tangan sambil bersila atau berdiri dan berkonsentrasi…..Hehehe……Semoga saya mengambil posisi sebagai INVESTOR utk 3 saham ini bisa 
CUAN BANYAK….karena sekarang-pun sudah lumayan CUAN-nya.Mohon doa restunya…dari Mbah dan teman2 OB lainnya…..kalau ini gagal berarti saya masih kurang bijaksana…berarti masih harus banyak latihan lagi di kemudian hari…..
BOZZ…..tolong BERTINDAKLAH…..sebelum TUHAN yang BERTINDAK…..Saya hanya bisa BERUSAHA dan BERDOA……….
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[obrolan-bandar] JSX bear ?? Maybe..

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Santo Vibby





Pergerakan JSX dalam 2 bulan terakhirnya yang super 
bullish cukup membuat dillema beberapa investor, Jumat lalu saya sempat membahas 
bersama dengan P'Jhon Veter mengenai kenaikan ini, Mnrt beliau dari sisi FA 
kenaikannya emang rada mengerikan kecepatan dan sudut kenaikannya, namun secara 
TA berdasarkan volume dan BBnya menurut saya masih dalamrange 
yangnormal.

Bahkan sebenarnya targetsaya di 1.580 belum 
tercapai, sehingga sebenarnya walaupun terdapat sinyal bearish yang sangat kuat 
jumatkemarin, JSX masih dalam range up trendnya.. kemungkinannya merupakan 
koreksi yang normal untuk menutup gap yang terjadi (kalo disambung ke cerita 
kategori dewasa Bear Instinctnyasi anak ajaibHok One, kira2 begini 
;Ada yang ngengkang, jangan dianggurin, tapi kudu disumpel hehehehe). 


Saat ini support yang kuat terdapat pada level 
1.500-an, Namun secara pribadi saya menilai pola candle yang terjadi merupakan 
sinyal untuk siap2 keluar dari market. Jika kekuatan Bear mampu menjebol support 
tersebut, maka bagi yang tidak mempunyai disiplin or tools yang kuat, mendingan 
nemenin saya nonton di pinggiran aja sambil ngitungin mayat2. 

Tapi, sebaliknya, jika terjadi counter attack dari 
pasukan Bulls, mendingan tetap stay wise before u decided to join the party, 
sapa tau banyak Bulls Trap... stay wise dalam arti trading plan yang ketat lho.. 
cut loss, dll kudu jadi raja tega..

Well... tommorow JSX Bear ??? Maybe...

Regards

Vibby

Disclaimer : 
Analisa diatas merupakan bahan untuk diskusi 
bersama dalam forum milis, Mohon tidak menanyakan detail lbh jauh melalui JAPRI 
(jalur pribadi) karena tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat, saya mungkinagak 
terbatas untukmelayani satu persatu.
Analisa diatas jg bukan rekomendasi jual atau beli, 
yang nekad silakan tanggung sendiri. 





  
  
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[obrolan-bandar] Bravo OB!

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik oon




Bravo OB! 
Kulo nuwun Mbah,
Hebat, bahkan BOSS aja takut kepada trader yang
rata-rata hanya pakai sebelah badan (High >
harus beli dengan asumsi harga tinggi = naik baru
dapat menjual). Aku pikir kalau trader itu dapat
menggunakan anggota tubuhnya secara lengkap (Trading
Short = jual dulu dengan asumsi squaring di bawah),
pastilah BOSS babak belur. Jadi perlu dijinakkan
dengan gangguan sistem apalagi pada masa kritis
seperti sekarang ini. Gunakan segala cara!

Bukan begitu Bung Oentoeng, IDKM sebagai tanda alam
bukannya sudah muncul. Tapi teman mainnya kelihatan
dapat menghasilkan untuk long term, karena kalau
dilihat SCMA yang dulunya Stasiun Corong Massa
Anarkhis sudah berubah menjadi Stasiun Corong Massa
orde bAru (maksa banget nggak seh?!). Fri(ed)day The
13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, etc Begins, A(Fraid) day
has continues. 

Matur nuwun Mbah, What a GREAT work you have done for
The Community!!
Bravo OB!
 

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[obrolan-bandar] OOT Banget Deh! Peterpan banget deh!!

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik oon



Kulo nuwun Mbah,
ini sangat OOT banget dehh, aku lihat pertunjukkannya
Peterpan, itu maskot Tinker Bell selau ada, aku pikir
ini seperti menanam bom waktu, karena bila tidak
diurus Hak Ciptanya, Royalti yang dibayarkan akan
sangat besar (ingat kasus model cowok di luar negeri
yang tampaknya sengaja membiarkan dirinya nampang di
sejumlah promo produk selama bertahun-tahun, dan
ketika saat penen tiba, dapet durian runtuh!!),
professionaly ia tetap dipakai Agency hingga saat ini.
 Jelas cowok ini lebih pintar dari Bella Shapira, yang
nuntut haknya seketika itu juga (terlalu cepat panen
Mbakyu! Nggak seberapa dapetnya!!). Malah sekarang
tampaknya di-black list oleh para Agency. Tapi angkat
topi akan ketulusan hatimu, artinya Mbakyu jujur,
nggak berniat pasang bom waktu. Tapi Un-professionally
Agency Indon sakit hati!!

Ini 'kan sami mawon sama BOSS yang sakit hati trus
matiin listrik!!
Matur nuwun Mbah.


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[obrolan-bandar] OOT Banget Deh! Peterpan banget deh!!

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik oon



Kulo nuwun Mbah,
ini sangat OOT banget dehh, aku lihat pertunjukkannya
Peterpan, itu maskot Tinker Bell selau ada, aku pikir
ini seperti menanam bom waktu, karena bila tidak
diurus Hak Ciptanya, Royalti yang dibayarkan akan
sangat besar (ingat kasus model cowok di luar negeri
yang tampaknya sengaja membiarkan dirinya nampang di
sejumlah promo produk selama bertahun-tahun, dan
ketika saat penen tiba, dapet durian runtuh!!),
professionaly ia tetap dipakai Agency hingga saat ini.
 Jelas cowok ini lebih pintar dari Bella Shapira, yang
nuntut haknya seketika itu juga (terlalu cepat panen
Mbakyu! Nggak seberapa dapetnya!!). Malah sekarang
tampaknya di-black list oleh para Agency. Tapi angkat
topi akan ketulusan hatimu, artinya Mbakyu jujur,
nggak berniat pasang bom waktu. Tapi Un-professionally
Agency Indon sakit hati!!

Ini 'kan sami mawon sama BOSS yang sakit hati trus
matiin listrik!!
Matur nuwun Mbah.


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[obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant



ENNGGA SALAH TUH, PREOPENING -19,2 !!!


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 IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis
 
 The analysis BELOWS is based on a Multidimensional Analysis using
 MOFIFIED Elliott Wave, Fibonacci dan Bandarmologi.
 
 Wave Numbering in EllliotBAH technique is NOT based on STRICT 
Elliott
 Wave Principle but ADJUSTED to reflect Capital Movement. So you 
WILL 
 find that the Wave Number is DIFFERENT with the one that is 
 produced by ELWAVE.
 
 These are the SUMMARY of analysis based on ElliottBAH analysis:
 - Based on Negative Capital Movement in the wave 5 period, and the
 ABNORMAL burst in ENDING DIAGONAL formation, Embah CONCLUDE that
 IHSG has completed a five wave impulse wave from 1220 to 1153 
 (in RED color).
 - AT THE HIGHER WAVE LEVEL, IHSG has completed impulsive wave 3 
 (in blue) and now IHSG is entering Correction Wave 4.
 - IHSG will enter a Correction phase with the following CORRECTION
 TARGET:
 - SHORT TERM correction target:
 - IHSG will have SUPPORT at the following level:
 - Support at 1510 which is an intersection of 38,2 
 retracement and GREEN LINE bullish suport line.
 - Next support will be at 50% and 61% that is at 1497 and 
1482.
 - MEDIUM TERM correction target:
 - IHSG will retrace to the end of Wave 4 (in RED) that is 1440 
 (a 100% retracement) which also near the 33,2% retracement 
 for Higher level Wave 3 (in BLUE) at 1427.
 
 For next week, let's check whether the subwave of Correction Wave A 
is
 an impulse or correction to determine whether this is a ZIZZAG or 
 other corrective pattern.
 
 ...
 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik jos



sekarang sudah -33, mbah tau ga jatuh paling besar itu berapa point?


- Original Message - 
From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis


 ENNGGA SALAH TUH, PREOPENING -19,2 !!!


 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx-consultant jsx-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

 The analysis BELOWS is based on a Multidimensional Analysis using
 MOFIFIED Elliott Wave, Fibonacci dan Bandarmologi.

 Wave Numbering in EllliotBAH technique is NOT based on STRICT
 Elliott
 Wave Principle but ADJUSTED to reflect Capital Movement. So you
 WILL
 find that the Wave Number is DIFFERENT with the one that is
 produced by ELWAVE.

 These are the SUMMARY of analysis based on ElliottBAH analysis:
 - Based on Negative Capital Movement in the wave 5 period, and the
 ABNORMAL burst in ENDING DIAGONAL formation, Embah CONCLUDE that
 IHSG has completed a five wave impulse wave from 1220 to 1153
 (in RED color).
 - AT THE HIGHER WAVE LEVEL, IHSG has completed impulsive wave 3
 (in blue) and now IHSG is entering Correction Wave 4.
 - IHSG will enter a Correction phase with the following CORRECTION
 TARGET:
 - SHORT TERM correction target:
 - IHSG will have SUPPORT at the following level:
 - Support at 1510 which is an intersection of 38,2
 retracement and GREEN LINE bullish suport line.
 - Next support will be at 50% and 61% that is at 1497 and
 1482.
 - MEDIUM TERM correction target:
 - IHSG will retrace to the end of Wave 4 (in RED) that is 1440
 (a 100% retracement) which also near the 33,2% retracement
 for Higher level Wave 3 (in BLUE) at 1427.

 For next week, let's check whether the subwave of Correction Wave A
 is
 an impulse or correction to determine whether this is a ZIZZAG or
 other corrective pattern.

 ...

 embah










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[obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant



09:50 IHSG -36


Teknik ELLIOTTBAH membuktikan kesakTiannya DIPREDIKSI PERTAMA !!! 


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ENNGGA SALAH TUH, PREOPENING -19,2 !!!
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx-consultant jsx-
 consultant@ wrote:
 
  IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis
  
  The analysis BELOWS is based on a Multidimensional Analysis using
  MOFIFIED Elliott Wave, Fibonacci dan Bandarmologi.
  
  Wave Numbering in EllliotBAH technique is NOT based on STRICT 
 Elliott
  Wave Principle but ADJUSTED to reflect Capital Movement. So you 
 WILL 
  find that the Wave Number is DIFFERENT with the one that is 
  produced by ELWAVE.
  
  These are the SUMMARY of analysis based on ElliottBAH analysis:
  - Based on Negative Capital Movement in the wave 5 period, and the
  ABNORMAL burst in ENDING DIAGONAL formation, Embah CONCLUDE 
that
  IHSG has completed a five wave impulse wave from 1220 to 1153 
  (in RED color).
  - AT THE HIGHER WAVE LEVEL, IHSG has completed impulsive wave 3 
  (in blue) and now IHSG is entering Correction Wave 4.
  - IHSG will enter a Correction phase with the following CORRECTION
  TARGET:
  - SHORT TERM correction target:
  - IHSG will have SUPPORT at the following level:
  - Support at 1510 which is an intersection of 38,2 
  retracement and GREEN LINE bullish suport line.
  - Next support will be at 50% and 61% that is at 1497 and 
 1482.
  - MEDIUM TERM correction target:
  - IHSG will retrace to the end of Wave 4 (in RED) that is 
1440 
  (a 100% retracement) which also near the 33,2% retracement 
  for Higher level Wave 3 (in BLUE) at 1427.
  
  For next week, let's check whether the subwave of Correction Wave 
A 
 is
  an impulse or correction to determine whether this is a ZIZZAG or 
  other corrective pattern.
  
  ...
  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: QUIZ..

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Odink
hehee.. ternyata yg bener BMRI nyalip BLTA.. nyalip ke selatan


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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Santo Vibby



Makanya mbah... as i told u  ikutan saya ngitungin mayat aja yok 
hehehehe


Vibby


- Original Message - 
From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis


 ENNGGA SALAH TUH, PREOPENING -19,2 !!!


 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx-consultant jsx-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

 The analysis BELOWS is based on a Multidimensional Analysis using
 MOFIFIED Elliott Wave, Fibonacci dan Bandarmologi.

 Wave Numbering in EllliotBAH technique is NOT based on STRICT
 Elliott
 Wave Principle but ADJUSTED to reflect Capital Movement. So you
 WILL
 find that the Wave Number is DIFFERENT with the one that is
 produced by ELWAVE.

 These are the SUMMARY of analysis based on ElliottBAH analysis:
 - Based on Negative Capital Movement in the wave 5 period, and the
 ABNORMAL burst in ENDING DIAGONAL formation, Embah CONCLUDE that
 IHSG has completed a five wave impulse wave from 1220 to 1153
 (in RED color).
 - AT THE HIGHER WAVE LEVEL, IHSG has completed impulsive wave 3
 (in blue) and now IHSG is entering Correction Wave 4.
 - IHSG will enter a Correction phase with the following CORRECTION
 TARGET:
 - SHORT TERM correction target:
 - IHSG will have SUPPORT at the following level:
 - Support at 1510 which is an intersection of 38,2
 retracement and GREEN LINE bullish suport line.
 - Next support will be at 50% and 61% that is at 1497 and
 1482.
 - MEDIUM TERM correction target:
 - IHSG will retrace to the end of Wave 4 (in RED) that is 1440
 (a 100% retracement) which also near the 33,2% retracement
 for Higher level Wave 3 (in BLUE) at 1427.

 For next week, let's check whether the subwave of Correction Wave A
 is
 an impulse or correction to determine whether this is a ZIZZAG or
 other corrective pattern.

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[obrolan-bandar] PGAS, waduh!

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Oskar Syahbana



Waduh! Baru buka setengah jam lebih dikit saham ini udah turun 700 perak!Padahal dari TA saya harusnya bulan ini (atau minimal awal bulan depan lah), bisa nyentuh 15.000.Ada yang tau, apakah ini hanya trend sesaat dan bakal rebound lagi atau bakal justru terjun bebas?
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[obrolan-bandar] USDIDR

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Karno Edy



Rupiah 8945, kenapa ya ??





  
  
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[obrolan-bandar] Fw: USDIDR

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Karno Edy





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Re: [obrolan-bandar] USDIDR

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Teddy Halim



Duit panas lari dari stock market? Biasanya gitu ya pak.. market down dollar lari ngacir naik.. expatriasi cuan?On 5/15/06, Karno Edy 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: JSX bear ?? Maybe.. = SURE

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik lawlegalious



Pak Vibby itu udah diganti SURE.. hehehe...
oh ya p. vibby... kalu GARIS P. Vibby Kelanjutannya apa?

P. Oentoeng.. bagaimana kabar INDEKS dari TEROPONG bapak..
EMBAH itu 3 supportnya tembus... (kalu ngak salah) jadi?

kalu INVESTOR LONG TERM... hehe... SMILE man.. SMILE...

thanks...

what a GOOD day..???

cheers
BoPs

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Santo Vibby [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Pergerakan JSX dalam 2 bulan terakhirnya yang super bullish cukup 
membuat dillema beberapa investor, Jumat lalu saya sempat membahas 
bersama dengan P'Jhon Veter mengenai kenaikan ini, Mnrt beliau dari 
sisi FA kenaikannya emang rada mengerikan kecepatan dan sudut 
kenaikannya, namun secara TA berdasarkan volume dan BBnya menurut saya 
masih dalam range yang normal.
 
 Bahkan sebenarnya target saya di 1.580 belum tercapai, sehingga 
sebenarnya walaupun terdapat sinyal bearish yang sangat kuat jumat 
kemarin, JSX masih dalam range up trendnya.. kemungkinannya merupakan 
koreksi yang normal untuk menutup gap yang terjadi (kalo disambung ke 
cerita kategori dewasa Bear Instinctnya si anak ajaib Hok One, kira2 
begini ; Ada yang ngengkang, jangan dianggurin, tapi kudu disumpel 
hehehehe). 
 
 Saat ini support yang kuat terdapat pada level 1.500-an, Namun 
secara pribadi saya menilai pola candle yang terjadi merupakan sinyal 
untuk siap2 keluar dari market. Jika kekuatan Bear mampu menjebol 
support tersebut, maka bagi yang tidak mempunyai disiplin or tools 
yang kuat, mendingan nemenin saya nonton di pinggiran aja sambil 
ngitungin mayat2. 
 
 Tapi, sebaliknya, jika terjadi counter attack dari pasukan Bulls, 
mendingan tetap stay wise before u decided to join the party, sapa tau 
banyak Bulls Trap... stay wise dalam arti trading plan yang ketat lho.
. cut loss, dll kudu jadi raja tega..
 
 Well... tommorow JSX Bear ??? Maybe...
 
 Regards
 
 Vibby
 
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Balasan: Re: [obrolan-bandar] USDIDR

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Tukang Sapu



Duit panas mau masuk lagi ke indo, beli USD sekarang jual di 10.000an.Teddy Halim [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:Duit panas lari dari stock market? Biasanya gitu ya pak.. market down dollar lari ngacir naik.. expatriasi cuan?On 5/15/06, Karno Edy   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Rupiah 8945, kenapa ya ?  
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Balasan: [obrolan-bandar] Re: JSX bear ?? Maybe.. = SURE

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Tukang Sapu



Tidak lamaUSD sekitar 10K, saatnya belanja bagi yg tahu.lawlegalious [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:Pak Vibby itu udah diganti SURE.. hehehe...  oh ya p. vibby... kalu GARIS P. Vibby Kelanjutannya apa?P. Oentoeng.. bagaimana kabar INDEKS dari TEROPONG bapak..  EMBAH itu 3 supportnya tembus... (kalu ngak salah) jadi?kalu INVESTOR LONG TERM... hehe... SMILE man.. SMILE...thanks...what a GOOD day..???cheers  BoPs--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Santo Vibby" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote: Pergerakan JSX dalam 2 bulan terakhirnya yang super bullish cukup   membuat dillema beberapa investor, Jumat lalu saya sempat membahas   bersama dengan P'Jhon Veter mengenai kenaikan ini, Mnrt beliau dari   sisi FA
 kenaikannya emang rada mengerikan kecepatan dan sudut   kenaikannya, namun secara TA berdasarkan volume dan BBnya menurut saya   masih dalam range yang normal.  Bahkan sebenarnya target saya di 1.580 belum tercapai, sehingga   sebenarnya walaupun terdapat sinyal bearish yang sangat kuat jumat   kemarin, JSX masih dalam range up trendnya.. kemungkinannya merupakan   koreksi yang normal untuk menutup gap yang terjadi (kalo disambung ke   cerita kategori dewasa Bear Instinctnya si anak ajaib Hok One, kira2   begini ; Ada yang ngengkang, jangan dianggurin, tapi kudu disumpel   hehehehe).   Saat ini support yang kuat terdapat pada level 1.500-an, Namun   secara pribadi saya menilai pola candle yang terjadi merupakan sinyal   untuk siap2 keluar dari market. Jika kekuatan Bear mampu menjebol   support tersebut, maka bagi yang tidak mempunyai disiplin or tools   yang kuat, mendingan nemenin
 saya nonton di pinggiran aja sambil   ngitungin mayat2.   Tapi, sebaliknya, jika terjadi counter attack dari pasukan Bulls,   mendingan tetap stay wise before u decided to join the party, sapa tau   banyak Bulls Trap... stay wise dalam arti trading plan yang ketat lho.  . cut loss, dll kudu jadi raja tega..  Well... tommorow JSX Bear ??? Maybe...  Regards  Vibby  Disclaimer :Analisa diatas merupakan bahan untuk diskusi bersama dalam forum   milis, Mohon tidak menanyakan detail lbh jauh melalui JAPRI (jalur   pribadi) karena tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat, saya mungkin agak   terbatas untuk melayani satu persatu.   Analisa diatas jg bukan rekomendasi jual atau beli, yang nekad   silakan tanggung sendiri.
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant



NEGATIVE CAPITAL MOVEMENT pada wave 5 SEBELUM IHSG JATUH terDITEKSI
ama ilmu BANDARMOLOGI embah. ulangi SEBELUM!!! yaitu saat IHSG masih 
1553. DetIk ini tinggal 1470 ATAU UDAH DOWN -83 POINT...

Hanya embah yg JAUH JAUH BILANG INI REKAYASA INDEX !!!



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 09:50 IHSG -36
 
 
 Teknik ELLIOTTBAH membuktikan kesakTiannya DIPREDIKSI PERTAMA !!! 
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-
 consultant@ wrote:
 
  ENNGGA SALAH TUH, PREOPENING -19,2 !!!
  
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx-consultant jsx-
  consultant@ wrote:
  
   IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis
   
   The analysis BELOWS is based on a Multidimensional Analysis 
using
   MOFIFIED Elliott Wave, Fibonacci dan Bandarmologi.
   
   Wave Numbering in EllliotBAH technique is NOT based on STRICT 
  Elliott
   Wave Principle but ADJUSTED to reflect Capital Movement. So you 
  WILL 
   find that the Wave Number is DIFFERENT with the one that is 
   produced by ELWAVE.
   
   These are the SUMMARY of analysis based on ElliottBAH analysis:
   - Based on Negative Capital Movement in the wave 5 period, and 
the
   ABNORMAL burst in ENDING DIAGONAL formation, Embah CONCLUDE 
 that
   IHSG has completed a five wave impulse wave from 1220 to 1153 
   (in RED color).
   - AT THE HIGHER WAVE LEVEL, IHSG has completed impulsive wave 3 
   (in blue) and now IHSG is entering Correction Wave 4.
   - IHSG will enter a Correction phase with the following 
CORRECTION
   TARGET:
   - SHORT TERM correction target:
   - IHSG will have SUPPORT at the following level:
   - Support at 1510 which is an intersection of 38,2 
   retracement and GREEN LINE bullish suport line.
   - Next support will be at 50% and 61% that is at 1497 
and 
  1482.
   - MEDIUM TERM correction target:
   - IHSG will retrace to the end of Wave 4 (in RED) that is 
 1440 
   (a 100% retracement) which also near the 33,2% 
retracement 
   for Higher level Wave 3 (in BLUE) at 1427.
   
   For next week, let's check whether the subwave of Correction 
Wave 
 A 
  is
   an impulse or correction to determine whether this is a ZIZZAG 
or 
   other corrective pattern.
   
   ...
   
   embah
  
 











  
  
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Balasan: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: JSX bear ?? Maybe.. = SURE

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik indonesian trader



hr ini mau nyaingin waktu pemilihan GusDur-Mega
nih.kalau ga salah pernah minus sampai 60 jg.mdh2an
prajuritnya pd mati sahid ya.

Rgds,

--- Santo Vibby [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:

 Hehehe... sure dude..
 
 Sementara sih, semenjak jumat kemaren, saya duduk
 dengan manisnya di 
 pinggiran pak, ngitungin mayat pasukan trader yang
 nekad. Blom ada niat 
 untuk masuk dulu.
 
 Regards
 
 Vibby
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: lawlegalious [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:41 AM
 Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: JSX bear ?? Maybe.. =
 SURE
 
 
  Pak Vibby itu udah diganti SURE.. hehehe...
  oh ya p. vibby... kalu GARIS P. Vibby
 Kelanjutannya apa?
 
  P. Oentoeng.. bagaimana kabar INDEKS dari TEROPONG
 bapak..
  EMBAH itu 3 supportnya tembus... (kalu ngak salah)
 jadi?
 
  kalu INVESTOR LONG TERM... hehe... SMILE man..
 SMILE...
 
  thanks...
 
  what a GOOD day..???
 
  cheers
  BoPs
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Santo
 Vibby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Pergerakan JSX dalam 2 bulan terakhirnya yang
 super bullish cukup
  membuat dillema beberapa investor, Jumat lalu saya
 sempat membahas
  bersama dengan P'Jhon Veter mengenai kenaikan ini,
 Mnrt beliau dari
  sisi FA kenaikannya emang rada mengerikan
 kecepatan dan sudut
  kenaikannya, namun secara TA berdasarkan volume
 dan BBnya menurut saya
  masih dalam range yang normal.
 
  Bahkan sebenarnya target saya di 1.580 belum
 tercapai, sehingga
  sebenarnya walaupun terdapat sinyal bearish yang
 sangat kuat jumat
  kemarin, JSX masih dalam range up trendnya..
 kemungkinannya merupakan
  koreksi yang normal untuk menutup gap yang terjadi
 (kalo disambung ke
  cerita kategori dewasa Bear Instinctnya si anak
 ajaib Hok One, kira2
  begini ; Ada yang ngengkang, jangan dianggurin,
 tapi kudu disumpel
  hehehehe).
 
  Saat ini support yang kuat terdapat pada level
 1.500-an, Namun
  secara pribadi saya menilai pola candle yang
 terjadi merupakan sinyal
  untuk siap2 keluar dari market. Jika kekuatan Bear
 mampu menjebol
  support tersebut, maka bagi yang tidak mempunyai
 disiplin or tools
  yang kuat, mendingan nemenin saya nonton di
 pinggiran aja sambil
  ngitungin mayat2.
 
  Tapi, sebaliknya, jika terjadi counter attack
 dari pasukan Bulls,
  mendingan tetap stay wise before u decided to join
 the party, sapa tau
  banyak Bulls Trap... stay wise dalam arti trading
 plan yang ketat lho.
  . cut loss, dll kudu jadi raja tega..
 
  Well... tommorow JSX Bear ??? Maybe...
 
  Regards
 
  Vibby
 
  Disclaimer :
  Analisa diatas merupakan bahan untuk diskusi
 bersama dalam forum
  milis, Mohon tidak menanyakan detail lbh jauh
 melalui JAPRI (jalur
  pribadi) karena tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat, saya
 mungkin agak
  terbatas untuk melayani satu persatu.
  Analisa diatas jg bukan rekomendasi jual atau
 beli, yang nekad
  silakan tanggung sendiri.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] USDIDR

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Karno Edy





Sebenernya kalo Rupiah engga melemah tajam wa engga 
terlalu kwatir.
Masalahnya ini terjadi saat mata uang yen menguat, 
biasanya berimbas ke rupiah.

Hubungannya :
Mata uang USD melemah, negara2 exportir spt 
Jepang/Korea/Taiwan kena pukul (indexnya).
USD lemah membuat The Fed harus menaikan lagi suku 
bunganya.
Kenaikan suku bungaThe Fedakan membuat 
pasar saham di sana hancur.
DJ anjlok, Asian stock biasanya 
ikut2an

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  Halim 
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  Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] 
USDIDR
  Duit panas lari dari stock market? Biasanya gitu ya pak.. 
  market down dollar lari ngacir naik.. expatriasi cuan?
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8945, kenapa ya ?




  
  
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: QUIZ..

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Bettina Tan



YU NGUMPULIN BLTA BUAT LISTING DI SG BLN DPN..
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: QUIZ..

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Bettina Tan



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Balasan: [obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik indonesian trader



teropong embah emang canggih.udah bs ngeliat wedus
gembel turun dr gunung jauh2 hari.pertanda alam kalau
gunung mau meledak..
--- jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
menulis:

 NEGATIVE CAPITAL MOVEMENT pada wave 5 SEBELUM IHSG
 JATUH terDITEKSI
 ama ilmu BANDARMOLOGI embah. ulangi SEBELUM!!! yaitu
 saat IHSG masih 
 1553. DetIk ini tinggal 1470 ATAU UDAH DOWN -83
 POINT...
 
 Hanya embah yg JAUH JAUH BILANG INI REKAYASA INDEX
 !!!
 
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
 jsx_consultant jsx-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  09:50 IHSG -36
  
  
  Teknik ELLIOTTBAH membuktikan kesakTiannya
 DIPREDIKSI PERTAMA !!! 
  
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
 jsx_consultant jsx-
  consultant@ wrote:
  
   ENNGGA SALAH TUH, PREOPENING -19,2 !!!
   
   
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com,
 jsx-consultant jsx-
   consultant@ wrote:
   
IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

The analysis BELOWS is based on a
 Multidimensional Analysis 
 using
MOFIFIED Elliott Wave, Fibonacci dan
 Bandarmologi.

Wave Numbering in EllliotBAH technique is NOT
 based on STRICT 
   Elliott
Wave Principle but ADJUSTED to reflect Capital
 Movement. So you 
   WILL 
find that the Wave Number is DIFFERENT with
 the one that is 
produced by ELWAVE.

These are the SUMMARY of analysis based on
 ElliottBAH analysis:
- Based on Negative Capital Movement in the
 wave 5 period, and 
 the
ABNORMAL burst in ENDING DIAGONAL formation,
 Embah CONCLUDE 
  that
IHSG has completed a five wave impulse wave
 from 1220 to 1153 
(in RED color).
- AT THE HIGHER WAVE LEVEL, IHSG has completed
 impulsive wave 3 
(in blue) and now IHSG is entering
 Correction Wave 4.
- IHSG will enter a Correction phase with the
 following 
 CORRECTION
TARGET:
- SHORT TERM correction target:
- IHSG will have SUPPORT at the following
 level:
- Support at 1510 which is an
 intersection of 38,2 
retracement and GREEN LINE bullish
 suport line.
- Next support will be at 50% and 61%
 that is at 1497 
 and 
   1482.
- MEDIUM TERM correction target:
- IHSG will retrace to the end of Wave 4
 (in RED) that is 
  1440 
(a 100% retracement) which also near the
 33,2% 
 retracement 
for Higher level Wave 3 (in BLUE) at
 1427.

For next week, let's check whether the subwave
 of Correction 
 Wave 
  A 
   is
an impulse or correction to determine whether
 this is a ZIZZAG 
 or 
other corrective pattern.

...

embah
   
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik jsx_consultant



NEGATIVE CAPITAL MOVEMENT pada wave 5 SEBELUM IHSG JATUH terDITEKSI
ama ilmu BANDARMOLOGI embah. ulangi SEBELUM!!! yaitu saat IHSG masih 
1553. DetIk ini tinggal 1470 ATAU UDAH DOWN -83 POINT...

Hanya embah yg JAUH JAUH BILANG INI REKAYASA INDEX !!!


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 09:50 IHSG -36
 
 
 Teknik ELLIOTTBAH membuktikan kesakTiannya DIPREDIKSI PERTAMA !!! 
 
 
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-
 consultant@ wrote:
 
  ENNGGA SALAH TUH, PREOPENING -19,2 !!!
  
  
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx-consultant jsx-
  consultant@ wrote:
  
   IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis
   
   The analysis BELOWS is based on a Multidimensional Analysis 
using
   MOFIFIED Elliott Wave, Fibonacci dan Bandarmologi.
   
   Wave Numbering in EllliotBAH technique is NOT based on STRICT 
  Elliott
   Wave Principle but ADJUSTED to reflect Capital Movement. So you 
  WILL 
   find that the Wave Number is DIFFERENT with the one that is 
   produced by ELWAVE.
   
   These are the SUMMARY of analysis based on ElliottBAH analysis:
   - Based on Negative Capital Movement in the wave 5 period, and 
the
   ABNORMAL burst in ENDING DIAGONAL formation, Embah CONCLUDE 
 that
   IHSG has completed a five wave impulse wave from 1220 to 1153 
   (in RED color).
   - AT THE HIGHER WAVE LEVEL, IHSG has completed impulsive wave 3 
   (in blue) and now IHSG is entering Correction Wave 4.
   - IHSG will enter a Correction phase with the following 
CORRECTION
   TARGET:
   - SHORT TERM correction target:
   - IHSG will have SUPPORT at the following level:
   - Support at 1510 which is an intersection of 38,2 
   retracement and GREEN LINE bullish suport line.
   - Next support will be at 50% and 61% that is at 1497 
and 
  1482.
   - MEDIUM TERM correction target:
   - IHSG will retrace to the end of Wave 4 (in RED) that is 
 1440 
   (a 100% retracement) which also near the 33,2% 
retracement 
   for Higher level Wave 3 (in BLUE) at 1427.
   
   For next week, let's check whether the subwave of Correction 
Wave 
 A 
  is
   an impulse or correction to determine whether this is a ZIZZAG 
or 
   other corrective pattern.
   
   ...
   
   embah
  
 










  
  
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis

2006-05-14 Terurut Topik Rony Santoso





hebat si Mbah... btw boleh dishare pake itung2an apa untuk 
itung NEGATIVE CAPITAL MOVEMENTnya..

sekalian buat pembelajaran bagi kita2

thanks
Rony


From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
jsx_consultantSent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:16 AMTo: 
obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG 
prediction: An ElliottBAH analysis
NEGATIVE CAPITAL MOVEMENT pada wave 5 SEBELUM IHSG JATUH 
terDITEKSIama ilmu BANDARMOLOGI embah. ulangi SEBELUM!!! yaitu saat IHSG 
masih 1553. DetIk ini tinggal 1470 ATAU UDAH DOWN -83 POINT...Hanya 
embah yg JAUH JAUH BILANG INI REKAYASA INDEX !!!--- In 
obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" jsx-[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 09:50 IHSG -36   Teknik 
ELLIOTTBAH membuktikan kesakTiannya DIPREDIKSI PERTAMA !!!   
 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" 
jsx- consultant@ wrote:   ENNGGA SALAH 
TUH, PREOPENING -19,2 !!!  --- In 
obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx-consultant jsx-  
consultant@ wrote: IHSG prediction: An 
ElliottBAH analysis  The analysis BELOWS is 
based on a Multidimensional Analysis using   MOFIFIED 
Elliott Wave, Fibonacci dan Bandarmologi.  
Wave Numbering in EllliotBAH technique is NOT based on STRICT   
Elliott   Wave Principle but ADJUSTED to reflect Capital 
Movement. So you   WILLfind that the Wave Number 
is DIFFERENT with the one that isproduced by ELWAVE. 
 These are the SUMMARY of analysis based on 
ElliottBAH analysis:   - Based on Negative Capital Movement in 
the wave 5 period, and the   ABNORMAL burst in 
ENDING DIAGONAL formation, Embah CONCLUDE  that  
 IHSG has completed a five wave impulse wave from 1220 to 1153 
   (in RED color).   - AT THE HIGHER 
WAVE LEVEL, IHSG has completed impulsive wave 3
(in blue) and now IHSG is entering Correction Wave 4.   - 
IHSG will enter a Correction phase with the following CORRECTION 
  TARGET:   - SHORT TERM 
correction target:   - IHSG will 
have SUPPORT at the following level:  
 - Support at 1510 which is 
an intersection of 38,2   
 retracement and 
GREEN LINE bullish suport line.  
 - Next support will be at 
50% and 61% that is at 1497 and   1482.  
 - MEDIUM TERM correction target:  
 - IHSG will retrace to the end of Wave 4 (in 
RED) that is  1440   
 (a 100% retracement) which also near 
the 33,2% retracement
for Higher level Wave 3 (in BLUE) at 1427.  
For next week, let's check whether the subwave of Correction Wave  A 
  is   an impulse or correction to determine whether 
this is a ZIZZAG orother corrective pattern. 
 ...  
embah   




  
  
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