Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Vernichtung]

Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.


On 4/7/09, er1ck  wrote:
> kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
> amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
> bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>
>>   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>
>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>
>> El, What do you think ?.
>>
>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [ob] DATA BEI: Open dan previous close sama

[Huan Sheng]

Maaf salah topik. HE HE HE
Gak nyambung dengan embah.
Tapi intinya, isi data Open BEI untuk per saham ada yang ngaco. Jadi ini kasus 
lain lagi.



  - Original Message - 
  From: Huan Sheng 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [ob] DATA BEI: Open dan previous close sama



  Benar Mbah
  ini coba liat, data Stock Open kalo saya perhatikan, tercatat adalah harga 
pasar nego saat open, bukan pasar reguler.
  Saya sudah perhatikan sejak BEI mengganti sistem ke JATS next G (per 2 Maret 
2009). Saya lampirkan di file Book1.xls

  Coba perhatikan data KPIG tgl 7 april 2009, hari ini. Data Open BEI adalah  
265 --> harga di pasar nego (bisa cek dengan cara  BUY KPIG di program Etrading 
pilih negotiated market), sedangkan Open Market reguler adalah 200. file 
SO090407.zip

  Coba perhatikan ASGR tgl 10 Maret 2009, Open > High ? ASRM tgl 10 Maret 2009, 
tidak ada transaksi, Open < Low ? BHIT tgl 10 Maret 2009, tidak ada transaksi, 
Open < Low ? dll

  Kesimpulan :
  Data BEI untuk file Stock Open ngaco karena mencatat harga open jika terjadi 
transaksi di Negotiated Market. Jika tidak ada transaksi di Negotiated Market, 
harga open adalah normal sesuai harga Open Market reguler.

  Embah bisa bantu sampaikan ke pihak BEI ?

  Trims




- Original Message - 
From: jsx_consultant 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:48 PM
Subject: [ob] DATA BEI: Open dan previous close sama


DATA BEI: Open dan previous close sama

Pada data index di Yahoo dan Etrading terlihat angka opening
selalu sama dengan previous close. Ini terjadi sudah beberapa
hari dan mengakibatkan grafik candlestick jadi tidak sempurna.

Kalo melihat Yahoo dan Etrading, kedua duanya salah berbarengan,
jadi kemungkinan ini kesalahan datafeed dari BEI.

Ada yg memperhatikan ini ?.




  

Re: [ob] Re: GA ADA YANG NYOLEK TRUB ..........?????? - BTEL

[Ferry Wachjudi]

Lho?? sekarang, BTEL sudah menang donk.
Time frame nya dulu donk...start kapan, finishnya kapan

Thanks & Rgds,
Ferry W.

http://budidaya-jamur-tiram.blogspot.com/
  - Original Message - 
  From: y_dizz 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:33 AM
  Subject: [ob] Re: GA ADA YANG NYOLEK TRUB ..?? - BTEL


  I Love F**king With Fundamental. (Kalo diartikan secara halus & benar = Saya 
Suka Bercinta Dengan Fundamental, hehehe...)

  Seperti kata Embah: FUNDAMENTAL WILL WIN AT THE END
  http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/144349

  BTEL vs TRUB, dua saham gocap, kira2 siapa yang bakal unggul nantinya? Let 
see, time will tell the truth...

  Regards,
  Yudizz

  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "y_dizz"  wrote:
  >
  > Kekekekekekek...
  > Kemarin siapa ya yang bilang TRUB lebih bagus dari BTEL..??
  > 
  > TARIK MANG...!!!
  > 
  > Regards,
  > Yudizz
  > 
  > 
  > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "t_bumi"  wrote:
  > >
  > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "raimon_c14"  
  > > wrote:
  > > >
  > > > BERDASARAKAN LAPORAN KEUANGAN KUATAL 3 tahun 2008
  > > > TRUB : 
  > > > Bergerak di bidang : Jasa Enginering, Electrical (listrik,dll), 
  > > > konstruksi dan pertambangan
  > > > Total asset 6725 Milyard
  > > > Market Capitalization : 777,4 milyard
  > > > 
  > > > PER : 3,02x
  > > > PBV : 0,37x
  > > > ROA : 3,83%
  > > > ROE : 12,31%
  > > > EV/EBITDA : 1,5
  > > > Debt/Equity : 0,16
  > > > 
  > > > BTEL : Total asset : 8101,94 milyard
  > > > Bergerak di bidang : Jasa Telekomunikasi 
  > > > Market Capitalization : 1424,1 milyard
  > > > PER : 8,81x
  > > > PBV : 0,27x
  > > > ROA : 2,00%
  > > > ROE : 3,07%
  > > > EV/EBITDA : 2,99
  > > > Debt/Equity : 0,41
  > > > 
  > > > Kesimpulan :
  > > > 1. Secara total aset perusahaan, BTEL lebih baik.
  > > > 2. Kemampuan dalam menghasilkan laba dari asset dan equity 
  > > > perusahaan, yang lebih baik adalah TRUB. (ROA,ROE)
  > > > 3. EV/EBITDA, menunjukkan kecepatan EBITDA dalam mencapai EV 
  > > > (economic value perusahaan). TRUB unggul.
  > > > 4. Rasio hutang dibandingkan dengan ekuitas, yang lebih rendah 
  > > adalah 
  > > > TRUB. (Debt/Equity)
  > > > 5. sedangkan dilihat tren market, bahwa jasa telekomunikasi 
  > > > persaingannya akan semakin ketat. Berbeda dengan jasa listrik 
  > > > (electrical, enginering) yang akan terus dibutuhkan.
  > > > 6. Secara overall, saya melihat TRUB lebih baik.
  > > > 
  > > > Tapi memang, setiap orang diberi kebebasan memilih. yang mana 
  > lebih 
  > > > baik, tapi menurut saya, semua tentu ada dasar keyakinan dalam 
  > > > memilih dan mengambil keputusan.
  > > > Bagaimana pandangan teman-teman? tolong disertai dengan data dan 
  > > > fakta.
  > > > 
  > > > Salam hangat,
  > > > www.ciakaren.blogspot.com
  > > 
  > > > sip : tbumi
  > > 
  > > Kelebihan TRUB karena mendapat proyek PLN dimana PLN masih bisa
  > > 
  > > monopoli jaringan listrik di tanah air. 
  > > 
  > > BTEL tak mungkin bisa monopoli jaringan telekomunikasi di tanah
  > > 
  > > air.
  > > 
  > > Jadi kinerja TRUB akan lebih baik dari BTEL.
  > >
  >


  

Re: [ob] DATA BEI: Open dan previous close sama

[indra devista]

coba di sini,tp untk liat candle aja:
http://www.vss2000.com/iTools/iChartPROa.asp?Symbol=BUMI.JK

klu mau ganti eminten belakang nya di kasih .JK




--- Pada Sel, 7/4/09, jsx_consultant  menulis:

Dari: jsx_consultant 
Topik: Re: [ob] DATA BEI: Open dan previous close sama
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Selasa, 7 April, 2009, 8:18 PM












--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, jopie santoso 
 wrote:

>

> Lihat di Etrading aja embah,di Menu Index Detail,sebelah kanan bawah,scroll 
> dulu ke Jam 9:30

> 



Angka opening jam 9:30 ini salah karena PERSIS sama dengan

closing kemarin, sehingga grafik candlesticknya engga bener.

Dulunya engga seperti begini, dan Yahoo pun mengalami kesalahan

yg sama, jadi kemungkinan yg salah dari BEI..



> --- jsx_consultant  schrieb am Di, 7.4.2009:

> 

> 

> Von: jsx_consultant 

> Betreff: [ob] DATA BEI: Open dan previous close sama

> An: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com

> Datum: Dienstag, 7. April 2009, 14:48

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> DATA BEI: Open dan previous close sama

> 

> Pada data index di Yahoo dan Etrading terlihat angka opening

> selalu sama dengan previous close. Ini terjadi sudah beberapa

> hari dan mengakibatkan grafik candlestick jadi tidak sempurna.

> 

> Kalo melihat Yahoo dan Etrading, kedua duanya salah berbarengan,

> jadi kemungkinan ini kesalahan datafeed dari BEI.

> 

> Ada yg memperhatikan ini ?.

>




 

  




 

















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http://id.answers.yahoo.com

[ob] Re: GA ADA YANG NYOLEK TRUB ..........?????? - BTEL

[y_dizz]

Kalo dari log posting di milis OB, kompor BTEL sudah mulai menyala sejak 7 
Februari 2009.

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/133029

Jadi ini ceritanya mau ngomong I TOLD YOU secara halus, hehehe...

Regards,
Yudizz



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Ferry Wachjudi"  
wrote:
>
> Lho?? sekarang, BTEL sudah menang donk.
> Time frame nya dulu donk...start kapan, finishnya kapan
> 
> Thanks & Rgds,
> Ferry W.
> 
> http://budidaya-jamur-tiram.blogspot.com/
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: y_dizz 
>   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:33 AM
>   Subject: [ob] Re: GA ADA YANG NYOLEK TRUB ..?? - BTEL
> 
> 
>   I Love F**king With Fundamental. (Kalo diartikan secara halus & benar = 
> Saya Suka Bercinta Dengan Fundamental, hehehe...)
> 
>   Seperti kata Embah: FUNDAMENTAL WILL WIN AT THE END
>   http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/144349
> 
>   BTEL vs TRUB, dua saham gocap, kira2 siapa yang bakal unggul nantinya? Let 
> see, time will tell the truth...
> 
>   Regards,
>   Yudizz
> 
>   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "y_dizz"  wrote:
>   >
>   > Kekekekekekek...
>   > Kemarin siapa ya yang bilang TRUB lebih bagus dari BTEL..??
>   > 
>   > TARIK MANG...!!!
>   > 
>   > Regards,
>   > Yudizz
>   > 
>   > 
>   > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "t_bumi"  wrote:
>   > >
>   > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "raimon_c14"  
>   > > wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > BERDASARAKAN LAPORAN KEUANGAN KUATAL 3 tahun 2008
>   > > > TRUB : 
>   > > > Bergerak di bidang : Jasa Enginering, Electrical (listrik,dll), 
>   > > > konstruksi dan pertambangan
>   > > > Total asset 6725 Milyard
>   > > > Market Capitalization : 777,4 milyard
>   > > > 
>   > > > PER : 3,02x
>   > > > PBV : 0,37x
>   > > > ROA : 3,83%
>   > > > ROE : 12,31%
>   > > > EV/EBITDA : 1,5
>   > > > Debt/Equity : 0,16
>   > > > 
>   > > > BTEL : Total asset : 8101,94 milyard
>   > > > Bergerak di bidang : Jasa Telekomunikasi 
>   > > > Market Capitalization : 1424,1 milyard
>   > > > PER : 8,81x
>   > > > PBV : 0,27x
>   > > > ROA : 2,00%
>   > > > ROE : 3,07%
>   > > > EV/EBITDA : 2,99
>   > > > Debt/Equity : 0,41
>   > > > 
>   > > > Kesimpulan :
>   > > > 1. Secara total aset perusahaan, BTEL lebih baik.
>   > > > 2. Kemampuan dalam menghasilkan laba dari asset dan equity 
>   > > > perusahaan, yang lebih baik adalah TRUB. (ROA,ROE)
>   > > > 3. EV/EBITDA, menunjukkan kecepatan EBITDA dalam mencapai EV 
>   > > > (economic value perusahaan). TRUB unggul.
>   > > > 4. Rasio hutang dibandingkan dengan ekuitas, yang lebih rendah 
>   > > adalah 
>   > > > TRUB. (Debt/Equity)
>   > > > 5. sedangkan dilihat tren market, bahwa jasa telekomunikasi 
>   > > > persaingannya akan semakin ketat. Berbeda dengan jasa listrik 
>   > > > (electrical, enginering) yang akan terus dibutuhkan.
>   > > > 6. Secara overall, saya melihat TRUB lebih baik.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Tapi memang, setiap orang diberi kebebasan memilih. yang mana 
>   > lebih 
>   > > > baik, tapi menurut saya, semua tentu ada dasar keyakinan dalam 
>   > > > memilih dan mengambil keputusan.
>   > > > Bagaimana pandangan teman-teman? tolong disertai dengan data dan 
>   > > > fakta.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Salam hangat,
>   > > > www.ciakaren.blogspot.com
>   > > 
>   > > > sip : tbumi
>   > > 
>   > > Kelebihan TRUB karena mendapat proyek PLN dimana PLN masih bisa
>   > > 
>   > > monopoli jaringan listrik di tanah air. 
>   > > 
>   > > BTEL tak mungkin bisa monopoli jaringan telekomunikasi di tanah
>   > > 
>   > > air.
>   > > 
>   > > Jadi kinerja TRUB akan lebih baik dari BTEL.
>   > >
>   >
>

Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net

[Rully]

kalau tentang BUMI, infonya hanya ada di milis KIPS-BUMI :)

Ada Jendral Artomoro yang mau bawa BUMI ke 1100 tuh


  - Original Message - 
  From: arisugiarto.sant...@gmail.com 
  To: OB 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


  Walah pak rully,gimana dgn bumi nya?dekremah pak?yg lain dah pada ngacir...

  Sent from my BlackBerry®
  powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT


--
  From: "Rully" 
  Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:05:14 +0900
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


  Dah dikasih yang paling enak nih sama Mbah:

  http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bagusdanmurah.htm

  http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bfmurah.htm

  Salam,
  Rully


- Original Message - 
From: Fredy Chin 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:29 PM
Subject: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Embah yg baek hati... ane ada 1 permintaan tolong dikabulin ya.
Ane mohon data2 di investdata.net pny embah supaya diupdate lagi. Terutama 
performance ranking by PER, ROE, Value Stock,dll. Yahhh..supya kita2 yg mo 
invest jangka panjang kan setidaknya bisa mikir2 mo beli stock apa gitu lohhh...
Thanks a lot buat Embah yg baek hati.




  

Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net

[Ferry Wachjudi]

Om Rully,

saya ada dlm list gak? kan saya pernah ngasih data ke si om nich!

Thanks & Rgds,
Ferry W.

http://budidaya-jamur-tiram.blogspot.com/
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rully 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net



  kalau tentang BUMI, infonya hanya ada di milis KIPS-BUMI :)

  Ada Jendral Artomoro yang mau bawa BUMI ke 1100 tuh


- Original Message - 
From: arisugiarto.sant...@gmail.com 
To: OB 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Walah pak rully,gimana dgn bumi nya?dekremah pak?yg lain dah pada ngacir...

Sent from my BlackBerry®
powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT



From: "Rully" 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:05:14 +0900
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Dah dikasih yang paling enak nih sama Mbah:

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bagusdanmurah.htm

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bfmurah.htm

Salam,
Rully


  - Original Message - 
  From: Fredy Chin 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:29 PM
  Subject: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


  Embah yg baek hati... ane ada 1 permintaan tolong dikabulin ya.
  Ane mohon data2 di investdata.net pny embah supaya diupdate lagi. 
Terutama performance ranking by PER, ROE, Value Stock,dll. Yahhh..supya kita2 
yg mo invest jangka panjang kan setidaknya bisa mikir2 mo beli stock apa gitu 
lohhh...
  Thanks a lot buat Embah yg baek hati.





  

FW: [ob] Re: GA ADA YANG NYOLEK TRUB ..........?????? - BTEL

[giek Doang]

Denger2  lahan coal di DARMO SUMSEL udah 80% clear,,ada yg punya info 
depositnya


- Original Message -
Subject: [ob] Re: GA ADA YANG NYOLEK TRUB ..?? - BTEL
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:33:33
From: y_dizz 
To:  

I Love F**king With Fundamental. (Kalo diartikan secara halus & 
benar = Saya Suka Bercinta Dengan Fundamental, hehehe...) 

Seperti kata Embah: FUNDAMENTAL WILL WIN AT THE END 
 http://finance. groups.yahoo. com/group/ obrolan-bandar/ message/144349 

BTEL vs TRUB, dua saham gocap, kira2 siapa yang bakal unggul nantinya? Let see, 
time will tell the truth... 

Regards, 
Yudizz 

--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , "y_dizz"  wrote: 
> 
> Kekekekekekek. .. 
> Kemarin siapa ya yang bilang TRUB lebih bagus dari BTEL..?? 
> 
> TARIK MANG...!!! 
> 
> Regards, 
> Yudizz 
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , "t_bumi"  wrote: 
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , "raimon_c14"  
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > BERDASARAKAN LAPORAN KEUANGAN KUATAL 3 tahun 2008 
> > > TRUB : 
> > > Bergerak di bidang :  Jasa Enginering, Electrical (listrik,dll) , 
> > > konstruksi dan pertambangan 
> > > Total asset 6725 Milyard 
> > > Market Capitalization : 777,4 milyard 
> > > 
> > > PER : 3,02x 
> > > PBV : 0,37x 
> > > ROA : 3,83% 
> > > ROE : 12,31% 
> > > EV/EBITDA : 1,5 
> > > Debt/Equity : 0,16 
> > > 
> > > BTEL  : Total asset : 8101,94 milyard 
> > > Bergerak di bidang : Jasa Telekomunikasi 
> > > Market Capitalization : 1424,1 milyard 
> > > PER : 8,81x 
> > > PBV : 0,27x 
> > > ROA : 2,00% 
> > > ROE : 3,07% 
> > > EV/EBITDA : 2,99 
> > > Debt/Equity : 0,41 
> > > 
> > > Kesimpulan : 
> > > 1. Secara total aset perusahaan, BTEL lebih baik. 
> > > 2. Kemampuan dalam menghasilkan laba dari asset dan equity 
> > > perusahaan, yang lebih baik adalah TRUB. (ROA,ROE) 
> > > 3. EV/EBITDA, menunjukkan kecepatan EBITDA dalam mencapai EV 
> > > (economic value perusahaan). TRUB unggul. 
> > > 4. Rasio hutang dibandingkan dengan ekuitas, yang lebih rendah 
> > adalah 
> > > TRUB. (Debt/Equity) 
> > > 5. sedangkan dilihat tren market, bahwa jasa telekomunikasi 
> > > persaingannya akan semakin ketat. Berbeda dengan jasa listrik 
> > > (electrical, enginering) yang akan terus dibutuhkan. 
> > > 6. Secara overall, saya melihat TRUB lebih baik. 
> > > 
> > > Tapi memang, setiap orang diberi kebebasan memilih. yang mana 
> lebih 
> > > baik, tapi menurut saya, semua tentu ada dasar keyakinan dalam 
> > > memilih dan mengambil keputusan. 
> > > Bagaimana pandangan teman-teman? tolong disertai dengan data dan 
> > > fakta. 
> > > 
> > > Salam hangat, 
> > > www.ciakaren. blogspot. com 
> > 
> > > sip : tbumi 
> > 
> > Kelebihan TRUB karena mendapat proyek PLN dimana PLN masih bisa 
> > 
> > monopoli jaringan listrik di tanah air. 
> > 
> > BTEL tak mungkin bisa monopoli jaringan telekomunikasi di tanah 
> > 
> > air. 
> > 
> > Jadi kinerja TRUB akan lebih baik dari BTEL. 
> > 
> 

 




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[ob] Re: GA ADA YANG NYOLEK TRUB ..........?????? - BTEL

[FromBuitenzorg]

TRUB ? Kartu mati kalo jualannya daily, mingguan Malah sy pengen colek 
AQUA, cuma volumenya dan gerakannya gak ada, bleh :-)

Rgrds


"y_dizz"  wrote:
>
> I Love F**king With Fundamental. (Kalo diartikan secara halus & benar = Saya 
> Suka Bercinta Dengan Fundamental, hehehe...)
> 
> Seperti kata Embah: FUNDAMENTAL WILL WIN AT THE END
> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/144349
> 
> BTEL vs TRUB, dua saham gocap, kira2 siapa yang bakal unggul nantinya? Let 
> see, time will tell the truth...
> 
> Regards,
> Yudizz
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "y_dizz"  wrote:
> >
> > Kekekekekekek...
> > Kemarin siapa ya yang bilang TRUB lebih bagus dari BTEL..??
> > 
> > TARIK MANG...!!!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Yudizz
> > 
> > 
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "t_bumi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "raimon_c14"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > BERDASARAKAN LAPORAN KEUANGAN KUATAL 3 tahun 2008
> > > > TRUB : 
> > > > Bergerak di bidang :  Jasa Enginering, Electrical (listrik,dll), 
> > > > konstruksi dan pertambangan
> > > > Total asset 6725 Milyard
> > > > Market Capitalization : 777,4 milyard
> > > > 
> > > > PER : 3,02x
> > > > PBV : 0,37x
> > > > ROA : 3,83%
> > > > ROE : 12,31%
> > > > EV/EBITDA : 1,5
> > > > Debt/Equity : 0,16
> > > > 
> > > > BTEL  : Total asset : 8101,94 milyard
> > > > Bergerak di bidang : Jasa Telekomunikasi 
> > > > Market Capitalization : 1424,1 milyard
> > > > PER : 8,81x
> > > > PBV : 0,27x
> > > > ROA : 2,00%
> > > > ROE : 3,07%
> > > > EV/EBITDA : 2,99
> > > > Debt/Equity : 0,41
> > > > 
> > > > Kesimpulan :
> > > > 1. Secara total aset perusahaan, BTEL lebih baik.
> > > > 2. Kemampuan dalam menghasilkan laba dari asset dan equity 
> > > > perusahaan, yang lebih baik adalah TRUB. (ROA,ROE)
> > > > 3. EV/EBITDA, menunjukkan kecepatan EBITDA dalam mencapai EV 
> > > > (economic value perusahaan). TRUB unggul.
> > > > 4. Rasio hutang dibandingkan dengan ekuitas, yang lebih rendah 
> > > adalah 
> > > > TRUB. (Debt/Equity)
> > > > 5. sedangkan dilihat tren market, bahwa jasa telekomunikasi 
> > > > persaingannya akan semakin ketat. Berbeda dengan jasa listrik 
> > > > (electrical, enginering) yang akan terus dibutuhkan.
> > > > 6. Secara overall, saya melihat TRUB lebih baik.
> > > > 
> > > > Tapi memang, setiap orang diberi kebebasan memilih. yang mana 
> > lebih 
> > > > baik, tapi menurut saya, semua tentu ada dasar keyakinan dalam 
> > > > memilih dan mengambil keputusan.
> > > > Bagaimana pandangan teman-teman? tolong disertai dengan data dan 
> > > > fakta.
> > > > 
> > > > Salam hangat,
> > > > www.ciakaren.blogspot.com
> > > 
> > > > sip : tbumi
> > > 
> > > Kelebihan TRUB karena mendapat proyek PLN dimana PLN masih bisa
> > > 
> > > monopoli jaringan listrik di tanah air. 
> > > 
> > > BTEL tak mungkin bisa monopoli jaringan telekomunikasi di tanah
> > > 
> > > air.
> > > 
> > > Jadi kinerja TRUB akan lebih baik dari BTEL.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [ob] Re: TLKM: Subwave 5 of Wave 3 start at 7000

[Kabu Nusi]

 
Closing, jsx (-1.7%), bumi (+1.1%), dewa (+1.8%)
 
let's go?   

 
 

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, hst auto  wrote:


From: hst auto 
Subject: Re: [ob] Re: TLKM: Subwave 5 of Wave 3 start at 7000
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:33 AM










Mbah, ini bandar bener2 bikin bingung trader deh hari ini..
Liat aja gerakan yang LIAR... 
saya sendiri teteup yakin saham yang di bilang Mbah sangat berpotensi naik ke 
level yang seharusnya... (mbah keep posting yah... thanks!)

keliatannya ada agenda besar dibalik penahanan Gerbong BUMI dan TLKM.. karena 
dibuat Mandeg.
sekali lagi saya pribadi menyarankan :

BUY 
(kurang dari 2 Minggu)
1.BUMI : Target Terdekat 1100 
2.PTBA:  Target Terdekat 7900
3.TLKM : Target Terdekat 8000
4.INDF: Target Terdekat 1100

cheap stock :
BUY
1. ELSA 
2. DEWA
3. KIJA
4. ELTY

udah ah.. ntar kebaca semua lagi sama bandar.. 
kalo harga turun 2% dibanding harga2 saham hari ini its BUY signal... (biasanya 
si bozz toel doang tuh).

KOMODITI akan memainkan perannya dalam bulan ini dan kedepannya.. percayalah

Kesabaran Pasti ADA HASILNYA!!!.

Kalau tadi BD niat ngancurin BUMI & TLKM hari ini harusnya gak usah tanggung2! 
dasar BD gak mau rugi..
Jangan Mau barang bagus kita punya di COPET.
Ingat Menyesal Kemudian Tidak Berguna.

Selamat bagi yang berhasil dapet barang murah..
tapi gw salut buat yang dapet BUMI di 890.

salam hoki buat besok




On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Yudizz  wrote:






Project TLKM still heading to 8400, kagak pake ditawar ya..! Hehehe...

Happy cuan,
Yudizz

Send from My BlackBearish
powerred by AXIS, GSM Yang Baik


--- original message ---
From: "jsx_consultant" 
Subject: [ob] Re: TLKM: Subwave 5 of Wave 3 start at 7000
Date: 7th April 2009
Time: 2:11:02 pm

Sorry, gambar yg tadi belon diupdate, ini yg baru...
- http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwltlkm.htm

BUMI mulai bergerak seperti embah bayangkan...

Common BOZZ...

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  
wrote:
>
> TLKM: Subwave 5 of Wave 3 start at 7000
> 
> http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwltlkm.htm
> 
> Hopefully I am right about this...
>











  

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Eddie Lieferdian Hasan]

Beware thd issue bear rally karna penyebar issue gak keburu belanja





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-Original Message-
From: Vernichtung 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:35:58 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.


On 4/7/09, er1ck  wrote:
> kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
> amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
> bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>
>>   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>
>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>
>> El, What do you think ?.
>>
>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [ob] ELAINE 4 : BEAR TECH 1

[Elaine Sui]

*Since nobody responded so no contest. The score is still 4-0.[?]

Elaine**
*
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Rei  wrote:

>  EL lost tuh...habis mainnya harian sih hehe
> Tadi ada yg bet gak?
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Thomas Frederick <
> thomaszone_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> we still got 15 minutes el can you make it straight 5:0??
>>
>>  *Thank You! *
>> **
>> *ThomaS FredericK*
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 4/7/09, Thomas Frederick * wrote:
>>
>> From: Thomas Frederick 
>> Subject: [ob] ELAINE 4 : BEAR TECH 1
>> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:44 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>  *Thank You! *
>> **
>> *ThomaS FredericK*
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Elaine Sui]

*

"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
[in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
(July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine*


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:

> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
>
> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>
> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>
> El, What do you think ?.
>
> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> + +
> + + + + +
> Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> + + + + +
> + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
<>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[jko``]

That makes lots of sense.. Are u really 25 yrs old?
>
> *
> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
> (July 2nd, 2001)
>
> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>
> Elaine*
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>
>> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>>
>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>
>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>
>> El, What do you think ?.
>>
>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> + +
>> + + + + +
>> Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
>> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
>> + + + + +
>> + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>  
>



-- 
An expert with a stone can still beat a novice with a shuriken,
nevertheless, an expert with a stone can not beat 100 novices with 100
shurikens...

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Yuta Tiziano]

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this 
year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those 
countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy 
bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China 
trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from 
Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta 

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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*

"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
[in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
(July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine*


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:

> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
>
> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>
> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>
> El, What do you think ?.
>
> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> + +
> + + + + +
> Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
> + + + + +
> + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

<>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Rei]

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to
US & Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:

>   If I can summarize:
>
> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
> this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
> viewpoint
> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
> from Asia
>
> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>
> Rgds,
> Yuta
>
> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
> *
>
> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
> (July 2nd, 2001)
>
> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>
> Elaine*
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>
>> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>>
>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>
>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>
>> El, What do you think ?.
>>
>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> + +
>> + + + + +
>> Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
>> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
>> + + + + +
>> + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>  
>
<>

[ob] Re: Update data di www.investdata.net

[jsx_consultant]

Long week end, abis Pemilu akan embah beresin...

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Fredy Chin"  wrote:
>
> Embah yg baek hati... ane ada 1 permintaan tolong dikabulin ya.
> Ane mohon data2 di investdata.net pny embah supaya diupdate lagi. Terutama 
> performance ranking by PER, ROE, Value Stock,dll. Yahhh..supya kita2 yg mo 
> invest jangka panjang kan setidaknya bisa mikir2 mo beli stock apa gitu 
> lohhh...
> Thanks a lot buat Embah yg baek hati.
>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[FromBuitenzorg]

Kayaknya gak perlu khawatir ... tampaknya IHSG bisa melawan arus, DJI merah, 
kita IJO, ASIA sebagian merah kita masih bisa IJO ,,, DJI bakal ikut ASIA pada 
akhirnya, bukan sebaliknya :)

Rgrds



"Eddie Lieferdian Hasan"  wrote:
>
> Beware thd issue bear rally karna penyebar issue gak keburu belanja
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Gravitti Technology® Corporate Network
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Vernichtung 
> 
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:35:58 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> 
> 
> Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
> rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
> lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.
> 
> 
> On 4/7/09, er1ck  wrote:
> > kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
> > amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
> > bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> > jsx-consult...@...> wrote:
> >
> >>   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> >>
> >> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
> >>
> >> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
> >>
> >> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
> >> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
> >>
> >> El, What do you think ?.
> >>
> >> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
> >> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my mobile device
>

Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net

[anru . sing]

Ya, saya juga pernah. Begitu tahu tidak terdaftar. Saya tek-tokin sekalian 
saham cadangan BUMI. Cuan banyak deh.
Btw, selamat berjuang rekan2
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-Original Message-
From: "Ferry Wachjudi" 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:17:50 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Om Rully,

saya ada dlm list gak? kan saya pernah ngasih data ke si om nich!

Thanks & Rgds,
Ferry W.

http://budidaya-jamur-tiram.blogspot.com/
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rully 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net



  kalau tentang BUMI, infonya hanya ada di milis KIPS-BUMI :)

  Ada Jendral Artomoro yang mau bawa BUMI ke 1100 tuh


- Original Message - 
From: arisugiarto.sant...@gmail.com 
To: OB 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Walah pak rully,gimana dgn bumi nya?dekremah pak?yg lain dah pada ngacir...

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From: "Rully" 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:05:14 +0900
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Dah dikasih yang paling enak nih sama Mbah:

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bagusdanmurah.htm

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bfmurah.htm

Salam,
Rully


  - Original Message - 
  From: Fredy Chin 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:29 PM
  Subject: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


  Embah yg baek hati... ane ada 1 permintaan tolong dikabulin ya.
  Ane mohon data2 di investdata.net pny embah supaya diupdate lagi. 
Terutama performance ranking by PER, ROE, Value Stock,dll. Yahhh..supya kita2 
yg mo invest jangka panjang kan setidaknya bisa mikir2 mo beli stock apa gitu 
lohhh...
  Thanks a lot buat Embah yg baek hati.





  

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Thomas Frederick]

apapun yg dibilang soros yang penting besok yang ditunggu tunggu IJO...

 
 
ThomaS FredericK--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Rei  wrote:
From: Rei Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:54 AM


So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to US & Europe... 
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano  wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)Elaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant  wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different marketrally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?. - - --+ ++ + + + +Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapuskecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.+ + + + ++
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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Elaine Sui]

*No, I'm a 1,000,000 yrs old caveman...lolz

Elaine**
*
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM, jko``  wrote:

>  That makes lots of sense.. Are u really 25 yrs old?
>
>>  *
>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
>> (July 2nd, 2001)
>>
>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
>> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>
>>> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>>
>>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>>
>>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>>
>>> El, What do you think ?.
>>>
>>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> An expert with a stone can still beat a novice with a shuriken,
> nevertheless, an expert with a stone can not beat 100 novices with 100
> shurikens...
>
>
> 
>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Elaine Sui]

*That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. [?]

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
> to US & Europe...
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>
>>   If I can summarize:
>>
>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
>> this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
>> viewpoint
>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>> from Asia
>>
>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>
>> Rgds,
>> Yuta
>>
>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>> *
>>
>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
>> (July 2nd, 2001)
>>
>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
>> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>
>>> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>>
>>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>>
>>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>>
>>> El, What do you think ?.
>>>
>>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>
>
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>
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Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- Pak JT

[troyanese]

Mungkin BD take profit krn Nikelnya sempat koreksi. Tapi malam ini dah naik 
lagi mudah2an buat new high.

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "JsxTrader™"  wrote:
>
> Tadi siang saya bilang kalau digebuk ke 1200 saya out, eh beneran di test 
> meskipun cuma shooting aja.., hmmm, gawat juga nih BD.., ane mingkem dulu 
> dah, yg pasti.., hari ini turun ngga pake tenaga, penurunannya juga inline 
> dgn ihsg, so the problem is not particular antm, tapi lebih ke sentimen 
> aja..., I see a technical target at 1600, jangan ngarep akan tercapai dalam 
> satu dua hari, need sometimes lah, semoga. 
> 
> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: susanti sutrisno 
> 
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:35:30 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- Pak JT
> 
> 
> Pak JT, bgmn ya ANTM nya... kmrn nambah di 1280, msh kuat ga pak?
> thanks
> 
> santi
> 
> 2009/4/7, JsxTrader™ :
> > Saya masih HOLD, looks like 1200 support kuat, so far saya masih
> > confident.., kalau BD ngga rela liat saya cuan, die harus close antm dibawah
> > 1200..., let see seberapa pelit om BD .., hehehe
> >
> >
> > Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: zaka...@...
> >
> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:45:32
> > To: 
> > Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
> >
> >
> > Prof antm gimana..?? Udah entry di 1270 kemaren .. Hold or CL
> > Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "JsxTrader™" jsxtra...@...
> >
> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:34:27
> > To: 
> > Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
> >
> >
> > Entry lah.., ini koreksi biasa aja.., namanya juga di resistant area, memang
> > kita expect bakal ada penolakan di area skrn ini, tapi so far belum ada
> > signal yg mengkhawatirkan..., kalau bertahan diatas 1510 for few days, we
> > are heading to 1600'an soon..., ane dah pecahin celengan, dan siap trading
> > dgn frame weekly to monthly..., konfirmasi jika close diatas 1650'an lah...,
> > otherwise, masih cipet sana-cipet sini.., hehe.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Elaine Sui 
> >
> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:21:03
> > To: 
> > Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
> >
> >
> > *You mean entry plan...?
> >
> > Elaine**
> > *
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jsx_consultant <
> > jsx-consult...@...> wrote:
> >
> >> IHSG -25
> >>
> >> Don't concetrate on index NOW
> >>
> >> Index can be engineered, concentrate on each STOCK's technical dan
> >> Your trade exit plan...
> >>
> >> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Rully" 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'll take it.
> >> >
> >> > Here's the bet:
> >> > If I lose, I will treat you a nice dinner
> >> > If you lose, You will treat me a lunch
> >> >
> >> > place: Pacific Place
> >> >
> >> > How is that sounds?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   - Original Message -
> >> >   From: Elaine Sui
> >> >   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> >> >   Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM
> >> >   Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   Would you take it?
> >> >
> >> >   Elaine
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Rei  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > EL, you mentioned 7:0...
> >> > Till yesterday, it's only 4:0...3 more to go!
> >> > Are you planning to take any bet again with OBer? :-))
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Elaine Sui  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >   From your technical perspective, can we expect a correction for
> >> today or tomorrow, and how deep? Thanks.
> >> >
> >> >   Elaine
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> + +
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> >>
> >
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> 
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Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)

[indeksbei3000]

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...!

-Original Message-
From: "Rully" 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:54:38 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)


I'll take it.

Here's the bet:
If I lose, I will treat you a nice dinner
If you lose, You will treat me a lunch

place: Pacific Place

How is that sounds?


  - Original Message - 
  From: Elaine Sui 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)


  Would you take it? 

  Elaine


  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Rei  wrote:

EL, you mentioned 7:0...
Till yesterday, it's only 4:0...3 more to go!
Are you planning to take any bet again with OBer? :-))


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Elaine Sui  wrote:

  From your technical perspective, can we expect a correction for today or 
tomorrow, and how deep? Thanks.

  Elaine







  

RE: [ob] Sekarang Trendnya Simpan Uang Di Bawah Bantal

[Sanjaya]

yuhui..kalau di Hongkong mungkin simpan di Safe Deposit Box itu
benar-benar aman (Safe). Tapi di Indonesia, hmmm.hh.. mesti waspada juga
milih bank utk sewa SDB, lha wong sudah ada beberapa kali kasus simpanan di
SDB yang lenyap tak berbekas tanpa tanda dicongkel tuh SDBnya. Malahan bisa
jadi incaran oknum bank yang jahat kalau harta berharga kita di simpan di
SDB bank. Mendingan beli brankas sendiri lalu tanam deh di tembok/lantai :D,
ngapain repot2 simpan uang di bawah bantal ..ntar malahan repot hilang tuh
duit saat bersih2 tuh bantal...hehehe just kidding

 

 

 

From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of y_dizz
Sent: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:13 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] Sekarang Trendnya Simpan Uang Di Bawah Bantal

 

Dulu saya ingat, di milis OB ada yang pernah mengejek saya ketika saya
bilang "Mending simpan uang di bawah bantal..!!". Kalo memang tidak ada lagi
bank dan sekuritas yang bisa dipercaya di negeri ini, simpan uang di bawah
bantal kayaknya bukan ide yang buruk deh. Coba baca artikel yang satu ini!

 

http://www.jawapos.com/halaman/index.php?act=detail&nid=61610

 

[ Minggu, 05 April 2009 ] 
Dahlan Iskan : Ikhtiar Para Pemilik Uang di Hongkong ketika Masa Krisis 
Tak Percaya Bank, Pilih Simpan di Kotak tanpa Bunga 

 
Banyak cara dilakukan orang untuk menyimpan atau menyelamatkan uang mereka
di masa krisis. Yang dilakukan sebagian orang di Hongkong ini cukup menarik.
Berikut catatan Dahlan Iskan yang tadi malam menempuh perjalanan ke Hangzhou
via Hongkong. 

---

Dalam perjalanan dari Hongkong ke Hangzhou tadi malam, saya bisa tahu apa
yang dilakukan sebagian pemilik uang di masa krisis seperti ini. Misalnya,
seperti yang diceritakan teman yang seperjalanan dengan saya ini. 

Dia orang Hongkong, bekerja sebagai eksekutif di beberapa perusahaan.
Umurnya kira-kira 60 tahun dan mengaku memiliki tiga anak yang semua sudah
dewasa. Dia bercerita bagaimana harus menyelamatkan uangnya ketika krisis
mulai melanda dunia (termasuk Hongkong) delapan bulan lalu. Dia buru-buru
mencairkan uangnya yang ada di beberapa bank. Lalu membawanya pulang dalam
bentuk cash. Melihat perkembangan krisis yang gawat saat itu, dia tidak
percaya bahwa uangnya akan selamat di bank-bank tersebut.

Namun, dengan tindakannya itu, dia belum juga merasa tenang. Dia merasa
apakah menyimpan uang di rumah seperti itu juga akan selamat? Baru beberapa
hari menyimpan uang di rumah, dia memutuskan kembali ke bank. Bukan untuk
mendepositokan atau menabungkan uangnya, melainkan untuk menyewa safety box,
kotak penyimpan barang berharga. Uangnya lalu dia masukkan ke kotak itu. Dia
kunci. 

Sebagaimana aturan yang berlaku, dia memegang satu kunci dan kunci yang satu
lagi dipegang pihak bank. Safety box lantas disimpan di bagian penyimpanan
yang biasanya tahan api di gedung bank tersebut.

"Kami melakukan itu karena waktu itu tidak tahu bank mana yang masih bisa
dipercaya," katanya. "Bayangkan, bank sebesar Lehman Brothers saja
bangkrut," tambahnya. "Karena itu, lebih baik saya amankan sendiri saja
dulu," lanjutnya. 

Setiap bulan dia lantas datang ke bank tersebut. Dia minta untuk bisa
melihat kotak itu, membukanya, melihat isinya dan menutupnya kembali.
Begitulah selama delapan bulan, setiap bulan dia menengok "bayi"-nya itu.
Juga untuk membayar sewa serta mengurus perpanjangan masa penyimpanannya.

Dia menyewa safety box yang besarnya dua kali kotak sepatu. ''Mula-mula mau
menyewa yang kecil saja, tapi tidak cukup. Lalu menyewa yang agak besar,''
katanya. Untuk itu, dia membayar sekitar Rp 100.000 sebulan. 

''Kalau ekonomi sudah stabil dan perbankan sudah baik, pasti saya akan
mendepositokan kembali uang itu,'' katanya. ''Tapi, biar dululah di situ.
Lihat-lihat perkembangannya,'' tambahnya. 

Dia tahu, dengan cara begitu, dirinya tidak bisa mendapat bunga. Bahkan,
justru harus keluar biaya penyimpanan. Namun, dia merasa itu masih lebih
baik daripada uangnya ''menguap''. 

Satu-satunya harapan adalah kalau nilai tukar uang tersebut membaik. Meski
tidak memperoleh bunga, bisa mendapatkan selisih kurs. Tapi, bisa juga
kursnya justru melemah sehingga secara kurs pun dia merugi. ''Kalau rugi,
tidaklah,'' katanya. 

''Saya menyimpannya kan dalam bentuk tiga mata uang. Saya kira-kira sendiri
saja mana mata uang yang aman dan nilainya masih akan terus meningkat,''
ujarnya. ''Salah satu di antaranya pasti renminbi,'' tambahnya. 

Dengan demikian, kalau kurs salah satu mata uang itu turun dan satunya naik,
masih bisa impas. ''Kalau tiga-tiganya turun semua, ya sudah nasib. Tapi,
turunnya kan tidak akan banyak,'' tambahnya.

Berapa banyak orang yang melakukan penyelamatan uang seperti itu? ''Banyak
sekali. Setiap bulan saya bertemu dengan orang-orang yang juga sedang
mengecek kotak penyimpanan uangnya,'' katanya. 

Dia tidak mau menyebutkan berapa nilai uang yang disimpan di situ. Namun,
dia mengatakan, itulah satu-satunya harta yang akan menjamin hari tuanya.
Dia m

Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net

[indeksbei3000]

Yg terdaftar juga masih bisa tek tokin kok, asal ketika RUPS sahamnya harus ada 
(cover).
Kayaknya kalau terdaftar, tek toknya lebih ok.

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...!

-Original Message-
From: anru.s...@gmail.com

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:25:51 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Ya, saya juga pernah. Begitu tahu tidak terdaftar. Saya tek-tokin sekalian 
saham cadangan BUMI. Cuan banyak deh.
Btw, selamat berjuang rekan2
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-Original Message-
From: "Ferry Wachjudi" 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:17:50 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Om Rully,

saya ada dlm list gak? kan saya pernah ngasih data ke si om nich!

Thanks & Rgds,
Ferry W.

http://budidaya-jamur-tiram.blogspot.com/
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rully 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net



  kalau tentang BUMI, infonya hanya ada di milis KIPS-BUMI :)

  Ada Jendral Artomoro yang mau bawa BUMI ke 1100 tuh


- Original Message - 
From: arisugiarto.sant...@gmail.com 
To: OB 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Walah pak rully,gimana dgn bumi nya?dekremah pak?yg lain dah pada ngacir...

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From: "Rully" 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:05:14 +0900
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


Dah dikasih yang paling enak nih sama Mbah:

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bagusdanmurah.htm

http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bfmurah.htm

Salam,
Rully


  - Original Message - 
  From: Fredy Chin 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:29 PM
  Subject: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net


  Embah yg baek hati... ane ada 1 permintaan tolong dikabulin ya.
  Ane mohon data2 di investdata.net pny embah supaya diupdate lagi. 
Terutama performance ranking by PER, ROE, Value Stock,dll. Yahhh..supya kita2 
yg mo invest jangka panjang kan setidaknya bisa mikir2 mo beli stock apa gitu 
lohhh...
  Thanks a lot buat Embah yg baek hati.





  

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

["::Pak_AA:":]

O YEAH
I LIKE IT

2009/4/7 FromBuitenzorg 

> Oh ya, kalo menurut ane sih bukan bear rally,..tapi sideway rally..jalannya
> gerenjul, kadang naik kadang turun tapi jatuhnya tetap mendatar aja, cuma
> kadang ada lubang dan anda tanjakan kecil
>
> Rgrds
>
>
> "FromBuitenzorg"  wrote:
> >
> > Kalo George Soros itu manusia bukan ya ? Kalo dia masih manusia kayaknya,
> ...apa yg dia sampekan bisa aja meleset .. hehehe... :p
> >
> >
> > Rgrds
> >
> >
> >
> > "y_dizz"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hihihi, orang Yahudi kok dipercaya sih? Sudah cukup lah satu orang
> Bernie.
> > >
> > > Btw, Pak Halim kayaknya gatel banget nih pengin ngeshort? Pasti PGAS
> yang pertama kali diincer, hehehe...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Yudizz
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Boys n Girls 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kalau mau jeli sih..
> > > > Emerging market dan asian market..rata-rata low maret > low october.
> > > >
> > > > Europe market dan US market low maret < low october
> > > >
> > > > soros sih gak salah bilang masih BEAR Market rally... sorros kan main
> di US
> > > >
> > > > Indo.. no comment.. too much noise...tunggu short sell diperbolehkan
> baru
> > > > market sebenarnya nampak
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> > > > jsx-consultant@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> > > > >
> > > > > Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
> > > > >
> > > > > - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
> > > > > - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
> > > > >
> > > > > El, What do you think ?.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
> > > > > rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>
>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[paramanandana]

Atau dia keburu belanja, tp sdh lepas lg, gak nyangka kalo bull 
beneranhahaaa



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Beware thd issue bear rally karna penyebar issue gak keburu belanja





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From: Vernichtung 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:35:58 
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Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.


On 4/7/09, er1ck  wrote:
> kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
> amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
> bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>
>>   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>
>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>
>> El, What do you think ?.
>>
>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Cumi Cabe Ijo]

USA stands for Useless States of America, my fellow British once said.

I don't know what UK stands for.

All I see now is a shift in world dominance from Atlantic to Pacific.


On 4/7/09, Elaine Sui  wrote:
> That's right!
>
> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>
> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.
>
> I have an interesting article, please read it.
> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>
> Elaine
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>
>> So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>> to US & Europe...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I can summarize:
>>>
>>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
>>> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources
>>> as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and
>>> traffic viewpoint
>>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>>> from Asia
>>>
>>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>> Yuta
>>>
>>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: Elaine Sui
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
>>> And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
>>> policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
>>> country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
>>> MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
>>>
>>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
>>> US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the
>>> US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding
>>> Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
>>>  wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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[ob] Cina udah ngebull

[Kidod25]

Ternyata cina udah ngebul duluan ma50 cross ma200 sedang indeks yg lain di asia 
sebenarnya tinggal nunggu beberap minggu lagi. Masalahnya si dow bakal masih 
ngadat. Ihsg mau kemana? Mending tlkm dan isat suruh cabut aja dari amrik. Ga 
ada gunanya masih listing disana yg ga jelas masa depannya

Re: [ob] Sharing KLBF , INAF dan UNVR

[Boys n Girls]

kalau UNVR jangan pak GT
lihat pola rounding top dengan fundamental PER yang begitu tinggi.

Biasanya sih..kalau udah gini jarang balik ke atas 8000 lagi

cuman kalau mau nekad..mungkin bisa swing dari MA200 (7459) ke EMA60 (7927)
tapi terus terang agak serem juga melakukannya.

Enaknya sih ..ditungguin short di 7927 lalu let the profit run kalau kena

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Anthony GT  wrote:

>   Sharing KLBF , INAF dan UNVR
>
> Jabat erat,
> Anthony L
> www.sahamdetektor.blogspot.com
>
>  
>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

["::Pak_AA:":]

Love you more and more dear. So funny 

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Elaine Sui  wrote:

>  *That's right!
>
> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>
> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
> us.
>
> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>
> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>
> Elaine*
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>
>>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>> to US & Europe...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>>
>>>   If I can summarize:
>>>
>>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
>>> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
>>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
>>> viewpoint
>>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>>> from Asia
>>>
>>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>> Yuta
>>>
>>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>>> *To*: 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
>>> MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
>>>
>>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
>>> US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>>
>>> Elaine*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
>>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>>
 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.



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Re: [ob] PTBA

[SyIFA Fund]

It's not necessarily for you to do ave up...actually you can do ave down. We're 
just postponed to hike IT up before gen election. after gen election, the wave 
will be confirmed our movement in IT. 




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--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Halim Perdana  wrote:

From: Halim Perdana 
Subject: [ob] PTBA
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 2:47 AM












Pak JT dan senior lain, PTBA bisa ditunggu diberapa untuk ave up?



  
 

  




 

















  

Re: [ob] Sepertinya ini bukan BEAR RALLY ?

[effendy ang]

this is shaking out period. 




From: nyari duit 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 2:53:45 AM
Subject: Re: [ob] Sepertinya ini bukan BEAR RALLY ?


Saya perhatikan volume IDX beberapa hari ini selalu diatas 3 T, malah kemaren 
hampir 4T.
Apakah sudah mulai capital inflow besar-besaran? ?
 
Salam,
 
ND


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Bill  wrote:

We usually call it Accumulation Stage:

1. Selling Climax,
2. Sharp Rally
3. Test of Low
4. Accumulation base forming (too few dips in this case)
5. Sign of Strength
6. ...

Like I said previously, it was still amaze me to see market keep repeating 
it self. 


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From: Cak Osop
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] Sepertinya ini bukan BEAR RALLY ?


saya baca IHSG (intraday) nya mbah dan saya contek cara mbah narik garis
ternyata tokcer, ihsg gak akan lari dari garis merah kalau gak break out.

Two Thumbs untuk mbah

Jabat Erat
Cak Osop






  

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[dario kurniawan]

Intinya soros mau pindah porto ke asia gitu aja ahhhngomong2 FC Porto vs MU    2 : 2Dario Amran--- Pada Rab, 8/4/09, Cumi Cabe Ijo  menulis:Dari: Cumi Cabe Ijo Topik: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYKepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comTanggal: Rabu, 8 April, 2009, 12:35 AM







USA stands for Useless States of America, my fellow British once said.

I don't know what UK stands for.

All I see now is a shift in world dominance from Atlantic to Pacific.


On 4/7/09, Elaine Sui  wrote:
> That's right!
>
> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
> has the best drama TV series.. 
>
> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.
>
> I have an interesting article, please read it.
> http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. html
>
> Elaine
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>
>> So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>> to US & Europe... 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I can summarize:
>>>
>>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
>>> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources
>>> as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and
>>> traffic viewpoint
>>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>>> from Asia
>>>
>>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>> Yuta
>>>
>>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>>>
>>>  _ _ __
>>> From: Elaine Sui
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
>>> And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
>>> policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
>>> country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
>>> MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
>>>
>>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
>>> US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the
>>> US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding
>>> Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
>>>  wrote:

 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









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[ob] [OOT] Yudhoyono’s Popularity May Boost Party Gains in Indonesia Vote

[Vic]

Yudhoyono's Popularity May Boost Party Gains in Indonesia Vote 
By Leony Aurora and Arijit Ghosh

April 8 (Bloomberg) -- Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's 70 
percent personal approval rating is his Democrat Party's strongest asset as it 
enters the election season seeking to boost its rank as the fifth-largest party 
in parliament.

Polls show the Democrats may more than double their seats in tomorrow's 
legislative election, building momentum for the presidential contest in July. 
Since taking power in 2004, Yudhoyono has helped stabilize the economy and 
reduce terrorism in Indonesia, home to the world's largest Muslim population.

Parliamentary gains would lessen Yudhoyono's need for coalition partners, who 
have blocked some of his moves to combat prevent an economic slowdown. They 
would also strengthen his hand against opposition leader Megawati 
Soekarnoputri, whom he defeated in 2004, and against another potential 
opponent, Vice President Jusuf Kalla, head of the Golkar party in the governing 
coalition.

Yudhoyono "would be by far the dominant figure, which he was not when he won 
the elections in 2004," said R. William Liddle, a professor of politics at Ohio 
State University in Columbus, Ohio, who has written on Indonesian politics for 
four decades. "He will have to pay a lot less attention to coalition-building."

The president's handling of security issues and the economy has helped his 
popularity. Indonesia has been free of terrorism for 3 1/2 years, following 
attacks in the previous five years that killed 280 people.

National Security

The number of Indonesians who consider national security "bad" declined to 10 
percent in December 2008 from 18 percent in September 2005, according to a poll 
taken by the Indonesian Survey Institute and published in January.

A February poll by the Jakarta-based institute showed about half of the 2,455 
respondents wanted Yudhoyono, 59, back as president after he reduced gasoline 
prices three times in three months. That was up from 25 percent in June, a 
month after the government had increased fuel prices by about 30 percent.

Indonesia's economy expanded 6.3 percent in 2007, the fastest pace in 11 years. 
The number of poor in Asia's third- most populous nation fell to 15.4 percent 
of the population in March 2008 from 16.7 percent five years ago. Still, the 
Asian Development Bank forecasts that Indonesia's $433 billion economy will 
grow by only 3.6 percent in 2009.

The eight-year-old Democrat Party, formed to give Yudhoyono a base, was favored 
by 24 percent of respondents in the institute's survey. Kalla's Golkar party 
was ranked third with 14.3 percent.

Young Party

The Democrats fielded candidates for parliament for the first time in 2004 and 
won about 10 percent of the seats. Kalla's Golkar party, which got 23 percent, 
is 45 years old.

Yudhoyono and his coalition partners, including Golkar, haven't always agreed 
on policy.

In December, Golkar's opposition kept Indonesia's parliament from ratifying a 
regulation giving the government more power to use state funds to rescue banks, 
insurers and other financial institutions. The party said the bill gave the 
central bank and the government too much authority.

"I, as head of the government, feel this kind of coalition is a bit troubling," 
Yudhoyono said in an interview with Jurnal Nasional on Feb. 19 that was also 
published on Yudhoyono's Web site. "Coalition ethics as I understand it means 
the political parties that have representatives in the cabinet shouldn't cause 
government policies to fail."

Candidates Rejected

In March 2008, the parliament rejected two candidates proposed by Yudhoyono to 
replace then-central bank Governor Burhanuddin Abdullah.

The government has said it may add to its 71.3 trillion rupiah ($6.2 billion) 
stimulus package to help the economy expand. Parliamentary approval for the 
package will be needed.

The Democrat party would need an additional 55 seats in addition to its current 
57 lawmakers to be able to independently nominate Yudhoyono for re-election. 
The party is fielding 671 candidates, the most among the 38 parties.

Yudhoyono's popularity hasn't fallen below that of opposition leader Megawati 
since September 2006 and remains higher than Kalla's, according to the survey 
institute.

James Castle, president of CastleAsia, a business advisory services company, 
cited the surveys for his confidence in Yudhoyono's re-election later this year 
even if Kalla opposed rather than accompanies him.

"I think he will win" no matter who is vice president, said Jakarta-based 
Castle, who has lived in Indonesia for 32 years. "In a tight race the vice 
president might make a difference, but I don't see it in this one." 

Bls: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[dario kurniawan]

lagi dibahas di cnbc...temanya " Debate Decoulping Economy" intinya asia memang 
tahan krisis dikomporin china, india dan diakui world bank...padahal ini crash 
terbesar ekonomi sepanjang sejarah...

btw, bumi gimana nih berani naik pas lagi merah? apa tunggu abis contreng aja ??

Dario Amran

--- Pada Sel, 7/4/09, jsx_consultant  menulis:

Dari: jsx_consultant 
Topik: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Selasa, 7 April, 2009, 6:47 PM












Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY



Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:



http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2y& s=%5EJKSE& l=off&z=l& q=l&c=&c= %5EDJI



- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)

- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)



El, What do you think ?. 



Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market 

rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.




 

  




 

















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RE: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- Pak JT

[Aria Bela Nusa]

Kalo reversal pattern-nya memang ternyata berbentuk 'V' yg kenceng2 banget -
bisa-lah kita av atau C/L setengah dl utk mengurangi loss itu - tapi kalo
side-aways/flat apalagi bergerak di situ2 'aja harganya berlama2 - yah,
repot banget jadinya, 'tuh



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Oh iya, Ibu Ave buat Trading atau invest ?
Harus dipikirin juga tuh biar bisa balik modal
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From: susanti sutrisno 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:12:19 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- Pak
JT


Banyak atau sedikit khan relatif ya pak Bei..tp saya punya  juga yang
di 1060 disamping yg msh nyangkut diatas (4425, 3900 dan 1800
hiks..hiks..).
Mohon pencerahannya...

thanks
santi

2009/4/7, indeksbei3...@gmail.com :
> Ibu Santi nambah banyak apa nambah sedikit ?
> Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung
> Teruuusss...!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: susanti sutrisno 
>
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:35:30
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- Pak
> JT
>
>
> Pak JT, bgmn ya ANTM nya... kmrn nambah di 1280, msh kuat ga pak?
> thanks
>
> santi
>
> 2009/4/7, JsxTraderT :
>> Saya masih HOLD, looks like 1200 support kuat, so far saya masih
>> confident.., kalau BD ngga rela liat saya cuan, die harus close antm
>> dibawah
>> 1200..., let see seberapa pelit om BD .., hehehe
>>
>>
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: zaka...@ptphapros.co.id
>>
>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:45:32
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
>>
>>
>> Prof antm gimana..?? Udah entry di 1270 kemaren .. Hold or CL
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: "JsxTraderT" jsxtra...@yahoo.com
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>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:34:27
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
>>
>>
>> Entry lah.., ini koreksi biasa aja.., namanya juga di resistant area,
>> memang
>> kita expect bakal ada penolakan di area skrn ini, tapi so far belum ada
>> signal yg mengkhawatirkan..., kalau bertahan diatas 1510 for few days, we
>> are heading to 1600'an soon..., ane dah pecahin celengan, dan siap
>> trading
>> dgn frame weekly to monthly..., konfirmasi jika close diatas 1650'an
>> lah...,
>> otherwise, masih cipet sana-cipet sini.., hehe.
>>
>>
>>
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: Elaine Sui 
>>
>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:21:03
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
>>
>>
>> *You mean entry plan...?
>>
>> Elaine**
>> *
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jsx_consultant <
>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>
>>> IHSG -25
>>>
>>> Don't concetrate on index NOW
>>>
>>> Index can be engineered, concentrate on each STOCK's technical dan
>>> Your trade exit plan...
>>>
>>> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Rully" 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'll take it.
>>> >
>>> > Here's the bet:
>>> > If I lose, I will treat you a nice dinner
>>> > If you lose, You will treat me a lunch
>>> >
>>> > place: Pacific Place
>>> >
>>> > How is that sounds?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   - Original Message -
>>> >   From: Elaine Sui
>>> >   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
>>> >   Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM
>>> >   Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   Would you take it?
>>> >
>>> >   Elaine
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Rei  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > EL, you mentioned 7:0...
>>> > Till yesterday, it's only 4:0...3 more to go!
>>> > Are you planning to take any bet again with OBer? :-))
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Elaine Sui 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >   From your technical perspective, can we expect a correction for
>>> today or tomorrow, and how deep? Thanks.
>>> >
>>> >   Elaine
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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[ob] Re: Cina udah ngebull

[y_dizz]

http://finance.yahoo.com/charts?s=01.SS#chart2:symbol=01.ss;range=1y;indicator=sma(50,200)+volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined

Yup, ngapain masih ngikut tuh bule2 edan. Biarkan mereka pusing dengan masalah 
mereka sendiri.

Ada yang tahu, komposisi ekspor Indonesia ke China apa saja yang utama? Yang 
pinter makro, please help..!

Regards,
Yudizz


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Kidod25"  wrote:
>
> Ternyata cina udah ngebul duluan ma50 cross ma200 sedang indeks yg lain di 
> asia sebenarnya tinggal nunggu beberap minggu lagi. Masalahnya si dow bakal 
> masih ngadat. Ihsg mau kemana? Mending tlkm dan isat suruh cabut aja dari 
> amrik. Ga ada gunanya masih listing disana yg ga jelas masa depannya
>

[ob] DOW

[Hans]

Setelah mendapatkan signal buy dari Hans AMTA Swing Trading sejak 13 Maret 
kemarin, 
DJIA melakukan koreksi wajar setelah kenaikan 4 hari berturut2.

Peluang koreksi di index asia dan bei juga sangat wajar untuk membuka peluang 
harga naik lebih tinggi.

support 7773 dan 7437
resistance di 8017 dan 8315

berikut gambar DJIA

thx


Hans

http://www.bumianyar.net/ / www.bumianyar.com 

http://trend-traders.com/

http://www.mylri.com/

 

 

Tulisan di atas bukanlah suatu rekomendasi beli atau jual, melainkan suatu 
petunjuk untuk menginterpretasikan sebuah pola atau indikator tertentu. 
Informasi di atas seharusnya digunakan hanya oleh investor yang memahami resiko 
dalam trading saham,  komoditi mau pun forex. Kami tidak bertanggung jawab atas 
kerugian apa pun yang disebabkan oleh penggunaan tulisan di atas.


<>

[ob] DOW tutup gap di 7795.......?????

[efendi elias]

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13,191.50


  

[ob] watch SMCB !!!!

[M Herman]

Holcim Indonesia to Hold Shareholders Meeting on Acquisition
2009-04-07 08:26:51.14 GMT
 
By Berni Moestafa
April 7 (Bloomberg) -- PT Holcim Indonesia, the nation’s third-biggest cement 
maker, said it will hold a shareholders meeting next month to seek approval for 
its plan to acquire a Malaysian-based affiliate of its parent.
Holcim Indonesia plans a shareholders meeting on May 18 to ask for, among other 
things, approval to buy a 100 percent stake in Holcim (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd. from 
Holcim Ltd., Budi Primawan, a spokesman at the Indonesian company, said in 
Jakarta today.


  

[ob] Re: Update data di www.investdata.net

[rosalind_marianne]

Ada lagi yang judulnya rada-rada sadis juga P' Rully di milis mbah ( urutan 
ke-2 dari pojok kiri ) 
kayak promo untuk conteng besok aja he..he..


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Rully"  wrote:
>
> kalau tentang BUMI, infonya hanya ada di milis KIPS-BUMI :)
> 
> Ada Jendral Artomoro yang mau bawa BUMI ke 1100 tuh
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: arisugiarto.sant...@... 
>   To: OB 
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:27 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net
> 
> 
>   Walah pak rully,gimana dgn bumi nya?dekremah pak?yg lain dah pada ngacir...
> 
>   Sent from my BlackBerry®
>   powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT
> 
> 
> --
>   From: "Rully" 
>   Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:05:14 +0900
>   To: 
>   Subject: Re: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net
> 
> 
>   Dah dikasih yang paling enak nih sama Mbah:
> 
>   http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bagusdanmurah.htm
> 
>   http://www.obrolanbandar.com/bfmurah.htm
> 
>   Salam,
>   Rully
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Fredy Chin 
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:29 PM
> Subject: [ob] Update data di www.investdata.net
> 
> 
> Embah yg baek hati... ane ada 1 permintaan tolong dikabulin ya.
> Ane mohon data2 di investdata.net pny embah supaya diupdate lagi. 
> Terutama performance ranking by PER, ROE, Value Stock,dll. Yahhh..supya kita2 
> yg mo invest jangka panjang kan setidaknya bisa mikir2 mo beli stock apa gitu 
> lohhh...
> Thanks a lot buat Embah yg baek hati.
>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Halim Perdana]

Santai aja boss..ambil nafas sebentar buat berfikir






From: Eddie Lieferdian Hasan 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:44:41 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Beware thd issue bear rally karna penyebar issue gak keburu belanja





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From:  Vernichtung 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:35:58 +0700
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Kalau dalam konteks bei saya malah melihat ini bear rally, alasannya
rate kenaikannya terlalu cepat. Kalau bull rally biasanya awalnya
lambat dan makin cepat dekat2 akhir rally.

On 4/7/09, er1ck  wrote:
> kalo saya mah mbah, tektok ajah...jd copet all day long ha3x, sebodo
> amat mau market ngebull, ngebill, ngeboll, bentukan asik hajar bleh,
> bentukan distribusi ikut juwalan, bntukan trun ya nonton ..jalan2x.. he3x
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id> wrote:
>
>>   Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>
>> http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2y& s=%5EJKSE& l=off&z=l& q=l&c=&c= %5EDJI
>>
>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>
>> El, What do you think ?.
>>
>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [ob] Fw: Pantau WIKA...???

[Halim Perdana]

Pemilu yg lancar dan hasilnya mampu untuk membentuk pemerintahan yang stabil 
akan membantu
kinerja saham sektor infrastruktur/konstruksi.





From: ari alex ari 
To: bluechips_tra...@yahoogroups.com
Cc: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:38:56 PM
Subject: [ob] Fw: Pantau WIKA...???




--- On Tue, 7/4/09, ari alex ari  wrote:



Emiten satu ini memiliki fundamnetal keuangan di 2008 cukup menarik 
dibandingkan emiten lain di sektor yang sama...tapi perlu momentum kuat untuk 
mendorong gerakannya mungkin volume. 

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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Berrack Obama]

tante ellen forgot 1 thing :Indonesia is the biggest producer of submarines (kapal selam) in the worldhahahahalol, u r so funny yet so sexy, tante ellen perez--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Elaine Sui  wrote:From: Elaine Sui Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:12 PM







That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. 
Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. html
ElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:














So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to US & Europe... 
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano  wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia


3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 


4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY



"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)


I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)


Elaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant  wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI


- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market


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Re: [ob] Sekarang Trendnya Simpan Uang Di Bawah Bantal

[Bursa]

wah, kalo uang ditaruh di gudang duit, itu sich Paman GOBER.
kl i sich pinginnya kapan2 punya gudang saham aja dech... biar isa monak-manak 
terus. hehe.. # itu pun kl ga lagi mandul :-) #

  - Original Message - 
  From: Asep Buhori 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, 07 April 2009 6:48 PM
  Subject: Bls: [ob] Sekarang Trendnya Simpan Uang Di Bawah Bantal



  Kayak syech puji dong, uangnya di taro di gudang duit di rumah

   



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  Dari: y_dizz 
  Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Terkirim: Selasa, 7 April, 2009 18:13:29
  Topik: [ob] Sekarang Trendnya Simpan Uang Di Bawah Bantal



  Dulu saya ingat, di milis OB ada yang pernah mengejek saya ketika saya bilang 
"Mending simpan uang di bawah bantal..!!". Kalo memang tidak ada lagi bank dan 
sekuritas yang bisa dipercaya di negeri ini, simpan uang di bawah bantal 
kayaknya bukan ide yang buruk deh. Coba baca artikel yang satu ini!



  http://www.jawapos. com/halaman/ index.php? act=detail&nid=61610



  [ Minggu, 05 April 2009 ] 
  Dahlan Iskan : Ikhtiar Para Pemilik Uang di Hongkong ketika Masa Krisis 
  Tak Percaya Bank, Pilih Simpan di Kotak tanpa Bunga 



  Banyak cara dilakukan orang untuk menyimpan atau menyelamatkan uang mereka di 
masa krisis. Yang dilakukan sebagian orang di Hongkong ini cukup menarik. 
Berikut catatan Dahlan Iskan yang tadi malam menempuh perjalanan ke Hangzhou 
via Hongkong. 

  ---

  Dalam perjalanan dari Hongkong ke Hangzhou tadi malam, saya bisa tahu apa 
yang dilakukan sebagian pemilik uang di masa krisis seperti ini. Misalnya, 
seperti yang diceritakan teman yang seperjalanan dengan saya ini. 

  Dia orang Hongkong, bekerja sebagai eksekutif di beberapa perusahaan. Umurnya 
kira-kira 60 tahun dan mengaku memiliki tiga anak yang semua sudah dewasa. Dia 
bercerita bagaimana harus menyelamatkan uangnya ketika krisis mulai melanda 
dunia (termasuk Hongkong) delapan bulan lalu. Dia buru-buru mencairkan uangnya 
yang ada di beberapa bank. Lalu membawanya pulang dalam bentuk cash. Melihat 
perkembangan krisis yang gawat saat itu, dia tidak percaya bahwa uangnya akan 
selamat di bank-bank tersebut.

  Namun, dengan tindakannya itu, dia belum juga merasa tenang. Dia merasa 
apakah menyimpan uang di rumah seperti itu juga akan selamat? Baru beberapa 
hari menyimpan uang di rumah, dia memutuskan kembali ke bank. Bukan untuk 
mendepositokan atau menabungkan uangnya, melainkan untuk menyewa safety box, 
kotak penyimpan barang berharga. Uangnya lalu dia masukkan ke kotak itu. Dia 
kunci. 

  Sebagaimana aturan yang berlaku, dia memegang satu kunci dan kunci yang satu 
lagi dipegang pihak bank. Safety box lantas disimpan di bagian penyimpanan yang 
biasanya tahan api di gedung bank tersebut.

  "Kami melakukan itu karena waktu itu tidak tahu bank mana yang masih bisa 
dipercaya," katanya. "Bayangkan, bank sebesar Lehman Brothers saja bangkrut," 
tambahnya. "Karena itu, lebih baik saya amankan sendiri saja dulu," lanjutnya. 

  Setiap bulan dia lantas datang ke bank tersebut. Dia minta untuk bisa melihat 
kotak itu, membukanya, melihat isinya dan menutupnya kembali. Begitulah selama 
delapan bulan, setiap bulan dia menengok "bayi"-nya itu. Juga untuk membayar 
sewa serta mengurus perpanjangan masa penyimpanannya.

  Dia menyewa safety box yang besarnya dua kali kotak sepatu. ''Mula-mula mau 
menyewa yang kecil saja, tapi tidak cukup. Lalu menyewa yang agak besar,'' 
katanya. Untuk itu, dia membayar sekitar Rp 100.000 sebulan. 

  ''Kalau ekonomi sudah stabil dan perbankan sudah baik, pasti saya akan 
mendepositokan kembali uang itu,'' katanya. ''Tapi, biar dululah di situ. 
Lihat-lihat perkembangannya, '' tambahnya. 

  Dia tahu, dengan cara begitu, dirinya tidak bisa mendapat bunga. Bahkan, 
justru harus keluar biaya penyimpanan. Namun, dia merasa itu masih lebih baik 
daripada uangnya ''menguap''. 

  Satu-satunya harapan adalah kalau nilai tukar uang tersebut membaik. Meski 
tidak memperoleh bunga, bisa mendapatkan selisih kurs. Tapi, bisa juga kursnya 
justru melemah sehingga secara kurs pun dia merugi. ''Kalau rugi, tidaklah,'' 
katanya. 

  ''Saya menyimpannya kan dalam bentuk tiga mata uang. Saya kira-kira sendiri 
saja mana mata uang yang aman dan nilainya masih akan terus meningkat,'' 
ujarnya. ''Salah satu di antaranya pasti renminbi,'' tambahnya. 

  Dengan demikian, kalau kurs salah satu mata uang itu turun dan satunya naik, 
masih bisa impas. ''Kalau tiga-tiganya turun semua, ya sudah nasib. Tapi, 
turunnya kan tidak akan banyak,'' tambahnya.

  Berapa banyak orang yang melakukan penyelamatan uang seperti itu? ''Banyak 
sekali. Setiap bulan saya bertemu dengan orang-orang yang juga sedang mengecek 
kotak penyimpanan uangnya,'' katanya. 

  Dia tidak mau menyebutkan berapa nilai uang yang disimpan di situ. Namun, dia 
mengatakan, itulah satu-satunya harta yang akan menjamin hari tuanya. Dia 
memang punya sejumlah

[ob] ASII & AALI

[FromBuitenzorg]

Tampaknya antara ASII dan AALI saling backup dan mendukung... Kerugian AALI 
dibackup oleh ASII dan sebaliknya. AALI volume lebih kecil dibanding ASII..

Tetapi "keduanya atau salah satu" berpeluang untuk bull kembali ..

Regards

Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- Pak JT

[Bursa]

bu su-san-ti,
kl itu bukan nyangkut, tapi takut cut loss...
tp sy salut koq, meskipun mainnya asal sruduk (spt sy 1 thn lalu),  tapi 
motivasi nya cukup besar..
saran sy: pasang cut loss biar loss nya ga terlalu besar (tp kl dana segudang 
sich grojog aja ga masalah asal masih ada sumber enghasilan lain, beda ama sy 
yg pake dana pnjm)

btw, kl sy antm 1100 ambil aja lagi (krn kmrn udah sell di 1310)

  - Original Message - 
  From: susanti sutrisno 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, 07 April 2009 6:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- Pak JT


  Banyak atau sedikit khan relatif ya pak Bei..tp saya punya  juga yang
  di 1060 disamping yg msh nyangkut diatas (4425, 3900 dan 1800
  hiks..hiks..).
  Mohon pencerahannya...

  thanks
  santi

  2009/4/7, indeksbei3...@gmail.com :
  > Ibu Santi nambah banyak apa nambah sedikit ?
  > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung
  > Teruuusss...!
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: susanti sutrisno 
  >
  > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:35:30
  > To: 
  > Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- Pak
  > JT
  >
  >
  > Pak JT, bgmn ya ANTM nya... kmrn nambah di 1280, msh kuat ga pak?
  > thanks
  >
  > santi
  >
  > 2009/4/7, JsxTrader™ :
  >> Saya masih HOLD, looks like 1200 support kuat, so far saya masih
  >> confident.., kalau BD ngga rela liat saya cuan, die harus close antm
  >> dibawah
  >> 1200..., let see seberapa pelit om BD .., hehehe
  >>
  >>
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  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: zaka...@ptphapros.co.id
  >>
  >> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:45:32
  >> To: 
  >> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
  >>
  >>
  >> Prof antm gimana..?? Udah entry di 1270 kemaren .. Hold or CL
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  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: "JsxTrader™" jsxtra...@yahoo.com
  >>
  >> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:34:27
  >> To: 
  >> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
  >>
  >>
  >> Entry lah.., ini koreksi biasa aja.., namanya juga di resistant area,
  >> memang
  >> kita expect bakal ada penolakan di area skrn ini, tapi so far belum ada
  >> signal yg mengkhawatirkan..., kalau bertahan diatas 1510 for few days, we
  >> are heading to 1600'an soon..., ane dah pecahin celengan, dan siap
  >> trading
  >> dgn frame weekly to monthly..., konfirmasi jika close diatas 1650'an
  >> lah...,
  >> otherwise, masih cipet sana-cipet sini.., hehe.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
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  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: Elaine Sui 
  >>
  >> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:21:03
  >> To: 
  >> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
  >>
  >>
  >> *You mean entry plan...?
  >>
  >> Elaine**
  >> *
  >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jsx_consultant <
  >> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
  >>
  >>> IHSG -25
  >>>
  >>> Don't concetrate on index NOW
  >>>
  >>> Index can be engineered, concentrate on each STOCK's technical dan
  >>> Your trade exit plan...
  >>>
  >>> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Rully" 
  >>> wrote:
  >>> >
  >>> > I'll take it.
  >>> >
  >>> > Here's the bet:
  >>> > If I lose, I will treat you a nice dinner
  >>> > If you lose, You will treat me a lunch
  >>> >
  >>> > place: Pacific Place
  >>> >
  >>> > How is that sounds?
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >   - Original Message -
  >>> >   From: Elaine Sui
  >>> >   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  >>> >   Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM
  >>> >   Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >   Would you take it?
  >>> >
  >>> >   Elaine
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> >   On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Rei  wrote:
  >>> >
  >>> > EL, you mentioned 7:0...
  >>> > Till yesterday, it's only 4:0...3 more to go!
  >>> > Are you planning to take any bet again with OBer? :-))
  >>> >
  >>> >
  >>> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Elaine Sui 
  >>> > wrote:
  >>> >
  >>> >   From your technical perspective, can we expect a correction for
  >>> today or tomorrow, and how deep? Thanks.
  >>> >
  >>> >   Elaine
  >>> >
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> 
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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Januar]

El,..bukannya kita masih butuh tempat jualan itu semua?
ya jual senjata, jual film, jual mobil, jual minyak, dkk.
bukankah tempat jualannya di eropa ama us?


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  - Original Message - 
  From: Elaine Sui 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


  That's right!

  Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, 
from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap 
labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in 
the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan 
has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV 
series.. 

  Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

  I have an interesting article, please read it.
  
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

  Elaine


  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to 
US & Europe... 



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano  
wrote:

  If I can summarize:

  1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end 
of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
  2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary 
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
  3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China 
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as 
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic 
viewpoint 
  4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences 
from Asia

  That's how the recovery will work, right?

  Rgds,
  Yuta 


  Powered by my VerryBerry®



--
  From: Elaine Sui 
  Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY




  "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and 
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can 
destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in 
exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the 
country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively 
you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

  I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the 
US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US 
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, 
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

  Elaine



  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant 
 wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.











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[ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[gangway]

Agree 100%
Yet we still live with american and European standards,
Such as DIN, ASTM, DJI, ICAO, FAA, holywood, american idol,   etc etc etc

Even the Japanese still copying american standard for their industries

It’s the living struggle that keeps the world turning

A3K




From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sui
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:12 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US
cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic
and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil
field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology
and Korea has the best drama TV series..

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
to US & Europe...

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano  wrote:
If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources
as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and
traffic viewpoint
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta
Powered by my VerryBerry®

From: Elaine Sui
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding
Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
 wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

Bls: [ob] Re: Cina udah ngebull

[darioamran1976]

katanya sih data ekspor ke cina belum berubah dari 2007 hingga sekarang juga 
masih berkutat di komo..

http://www.danareksa-research.com/index.php/economy/media-newspaper/86-menggali-potensi-ekspor-di-negeri-tirai-bambu

Dario Amran

--- Pada Rab, 8/4/09, y_dizz  menulis:

Dari: y_dizz 
Topik: [ob] Re: Cina udah ngebull
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Rabu, 8 April, 2009, 7:50 AM












http://finance. yahoo.com/ charts?s= 01.SS# chart2:symbol= 
01.ss; range=1y; indicator= sma(50,200)+volume; charttype= line;crosshair= 
on;ohlcvalues= 0;logscale= on;source= undefined



Yup, ngapain masih ngikut tuh bule2 edan. Biarkan mereka pusing dengan masalah 
mereka sendiri.



Ada yang tahu, komposisi ekspor Indonesia ke China apa saja yang utama? Yang 
pinter makro, please help..!



Regards,

Yudizz



--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "Kidod25"  wrote:

>

> Ternyata cina udah ngebul duluan ma50 cross ma200 sedang indeks yg lain di 
> asia sebenarnya tinggal nunggu beberap minggu lagi. Masalahnya si dow bakal 
> masih ngadat. Ihsg mau kemana? Mending tlkm dan isat suruh cabut aja dari 
> amrik. Ga ada gunanya masih listing disana yg ga jelas masa depannya

>




 

  




 

















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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[JsxTrader™]

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna 
consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk 
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you, 
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan 
to say we don't need them..., lolz..


Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. [?]

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
> to US & Europe...
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>
>>   If I can summarize:
>>
>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
>> this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
>> viewpoint
>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>> from Asia
>>
>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>
>> Rgds,
>> Yuta
>>
>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>> *
>>
>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
>> (July 2nd, 2001)
>>
>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
>> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>
>>> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>>
>>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>>
>>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>>
>>> El, What do you think ?.
>>>
>>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> + +
>>> + + + + +
>>> Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
>>> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
>>> + + + + +
>>> + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> 
>

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Re: [ob] Sharing KLBF , INAF dan UNVR

[Anthony GT]

Terimakasih friend masukannya sangat bagus.
 
Jabat erat,
Anthony L
 


--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Boys n Girls  wrote:

From: Boys n Girls 
Subject: Re: [ob] Sharing KLBF , INAF dan UNVR
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:56 PM






kalau UNVR jangan pak GT


lihat pola rounding top dengan fundamental PER yang begitu tinggi.


Biasanya sih..kalau udah gini jarang balik ke atas 8000 lagi


cuman kalau mau nekad..mungkin bisa swing dari MA200 (7459) ke EMA60 (7927)
tapi terus terang agak serem juga melakukannya.


Enaknya sih ..ditungguin short di 7927 lalu let the profit run kalau kena


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Anthony GT  wrote:











Sharing KLBF , INAF dan UNVR
 
Jabat erat,
Anthony L
www.sahamdetektor. blogspot. com



















  

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[JsxTrader™]

Aaah..., not to mention Facebook...LOLz..

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-Original Message-
From: "JsxTrader™" jsxtra...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:17:36 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna 
consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk 
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you, 
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan 
to say we don't need them..., lolz..


Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. [?]

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
> to US & Europe...
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>
>>   If I can summarize:
>>
>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
>> this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
>> viewpoint
>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>> from Asia
>>
>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>
>> Rgds,
>> Yuta
>>
>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>> *
>>
>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
>> (July 2nd, 2001)
>>
>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
>> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>
>>> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>>
>>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>>
>>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>>
>>> El, What do you think ?.
>>>
>>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> + +
>>> + + + + +
>>> Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
>>> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
>>> + + + + +
>>> + +Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> 
>

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[ob] Sepertinya bakal kecele....

[sulistyo_winarto]

Dear Senior OB, coba bid di ASII,UNVR, Ixxx. Biasanya nggak dapet.
Salam long week-end 

[ob] EXPORT TINS NAIK 30%

[Bumi T]

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/dj-indonesia-march-tin-exports/story.aspx?guid={E81227AF-4C09-4D4A-B29B-081EE2AECBFB}&dist=msr_1


  Wajib militer di Indonesia? Temukan jawabannya di Yahoo! Answers! 
http://id.answers.yahoo.com

[ob] Bisa jadi TRUB djadiin objek repo

[zaki murachman]

gitu aja koq repot

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Ferry Wachjudi  wrote:


From: Ferry Wachjudi 
Subject: Re: [ob] Re: GA ADA YANG NYOLEK TRUB ..?? - BTEL
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 12:02 AM







Lho?? sekarang, BTEL sudah menang donk.
Time frame nya dulu donk...start kapan, finishnya kapan
 
Thanks & Rgds,
Ferry W.
 
http://budidaya- jamur-tiram. blogspot. com/

- Original Message - 
From: y_dizz 
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:33 AM
Subject: [ob] Re: GA ADA YANG NYOLEK TRUB ..??  - BTEL



I Love F**king With Fundamental. (Kalo diartikan secara halus & benar = Saya 
Suka Bercinta Dengan Fundamental, hehehe...)

Seperti kata Embah: FUNDAMENTAL WILL WIN AT THE END
http://finance. groups.yahoo. com/group/ obrolan-bandar/ message/144349

BTEL vs TRUB, dua saham gocap, kira2 siapa yang bakal unggul nantinya? Let see, 
time will tell the truth...

Regards,
Yudizz

--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "y_dizz"  wrote:
>
> Kekekekekekek. ..
> Kemarin siapa ya yang bilang TRUB lebih bagus dari BTEL..??
> 
> TARIK MANG...!!!
> 
> Regards,
> Yudizz
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "t_bumi"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "raimon_c14"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > BERDASARAKAN LAPORAN KEUANGAN KUATAL 3 tahun 2008
> > > TRUB : 
> > > Bergerak di bidang : Jasa Enginering, Electrical (listrik,dll) , 
> > > konstruksi dan pertambangan
> > > Total asset 6725 Milyard
> > > Market Capitalization : 777,4 milyard
> > > 
> > > PER : 3,02x
> > > PBV : 0,37x
> > > ROA : 3,83%
> > > ROE : 12,31%
> > > EV/EBITDA : 1,5
> > > Debt/Equity : 0,16
> > > 
> > > BTEL : Total asset : 8101,94 milyard
> > > Bergerak di bidang : Jasa Telekomunikasi 
> > > Market Capitalization : 1424,1 milyard
> > > PER : 8,81x
> > > PBV : 0,27x
> > > ROA : 2,00%
> > > ROE : 3,07%
> > > EV/EBITDA : 2,99
> > > Debt/Equity : 0,41
> > > 
> > > Kesimpulan :
> > > 1. Secara total aset perusahaan, BTEL lebih baik.
> > > 2. Kemampuan dalam menghasilkan laba dari asset dan equity 
> > > perusahaan, yang lebih baik adalah TRUB. (ROA,ROE)
> > > 3. EV/EBITDA, menunjukkan kecepatan EBITDA dalam mencapai EV 
> > > (economic value perusahaan). TRUB unggul.
> > > 4. Rasio hutang dibandingkan dengan ekuitas, yang lebih rendah 
> > adalah 
> > > TRUB. (Debt/Equity)
> > > 5. sedangkan dilihat tren market, bahwa jasa telekomunikasi 
> > > persaingannya akan semakin ketat. Berbeda dengan jasa listrik 
> > > (electrical, enginering) yang akan terus dibutuhkan.
> > > 6. Secara overall, saya melihat TRUB lebih baik.
> > > 
> > > Tapi memang, setiap orang diberi kebebasan memilih. yang mana 
> lebih 
> > > baik, tapi menurut saya, semua tentu ada dasar keyakinan dalam 
> > > memilih dan mengambil keputusan.
> > > Bagaimana pandangan teman-teman? tolong disertai dengan data dan 
> > > fakta.
> > > 
> > > Salam hangat,
> > > www.ciakaren. blogspot. com
> > 
> > > sip : tbumi
> > 
> > Kelebihan TRUB karena mendapat proyek PLN dimana PLN masih bisa
> > 
> > monopoli jaringan listrik di tanah air. 
> > 
> > BTEL tak mungkin bisa monopoli jaringan telekomunikasi di tanah
> > 
> > air.
> > 
> > Jadi kinerja TRUB akan lebih baik dari BTEL.
> >
>

















  

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Vernichtung]

Dear Elaine you are 50-60 years too late, such strategy had been used since
1950-60, Indonesia was conquered using the said method in 1965-6 and still
in the hand of the conqueror as of today.


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Elaine Sui  wrote:

>  *
>
> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
> (July 2nd, 2001)
>
> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>
> Elaine*
>
>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Elaine Sui]

*I'm talking about US, not Indonesia, but I will not talk about it since it
will be too sensitive to most ppl.

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Vernichtung  wrote:

>  Dear Elaine you are 50-60 years too late, such strategy had been used
> since 1950-60, Indonesia was conquered using the said method in 1965-6 and
> still in the hand of the conqueror as of today.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Elaine Sui  wrote:
>
>>  *
>>
>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
>> (July 2nd, 2001)
>>
>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
>> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>

Re: [ob] Kompas hari ini, hal 17

[Armando Anthony]

Pak Adjies,

Apakah ini statement dari Pak Farial Anwar yang menyatakan kenaikan IHSG 
belakangan ini disebabkan oleh banyaknya pemain pasar uang yang berbondong2 
menjual dollarnya dalam jumlah besar untuk kemudian masuk ke Capital Market?, 
sementara sebetulnya kenaikkan index itu tidak disebabkan oleh fundamental 
ataupun technical?

Sepertinya ada benarnya

salam,
Armando





From: adjies2000 
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:32:12 AM
Subject: [ob] Kompas hari ini, hal 17




Pemain Forex masuk bursa
- tidak ada perbaikan fundamental dalam "mini rally" Smartmoney, omset rataw 
dari 1.6 T naik menjadi 3.6 T--thus ada floating 2T dipakai untuk :

A. Kalau ada good News, misalnya ,dji, regional, stimulus, G20, corporate 
earning etc

--SM cenderung tidak ikut Public/retail yang "eforia" untuk shopping, 
sebaliknya SM manfaatkan "memontum bull ini " untuk distribusi(menjual mahal 
dengan volume kecil/moderate untuk angkat harga), sampai terjadi situasi buying 
climax(ciri2 : volume besar, spread kecil, close di tengah atau dibawahnya 
(down bar--doji dengan kaki panjang (exhausting bar),(ini dinamakan Upstrust 
bar---tanda2 reversal), selanjutnya diikuti dengan 2 - 3 "No Demand bar 
sideway", dalam situasi ini SM akan 'meng test pasar" dengan Spike keatas 
(Candle Morning Star ?)dengan volume relatif kecil untuk mengetes apakah masih 
ada "Demand", setelah jakin pasar di level harga ini tidak ada Demand plus 
tidak ada expected Good News, paling afdol kalau ada expected Bad News, saatnya 
harga dibuat rontok, bagi Weak Holder(retail investor/trader) yang "kurang", 
akan cenderung untuk Sell, sampai panic selling, situasi ini dimanfaatkan SM 
untuk Shopping(accumulati on), situasi harga turun
 ini akan mencapai "stopping volume"etc. dan siklus naik turun yang 
dikendalikan SM akan jalan terus.

Good Luck

note : Tidak ada diskusi di millis ini, bagi peminat VSA, silahkan PM.

Salam





  

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Elaine Sui]

*Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.

Elaine
**
*On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>
> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>
> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> *That's right!
>
> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>
> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
> us.
>
> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>
> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>
> Elaine*
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>
>>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>> to US & Europe...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>>
>>> If I can summarize:
>>>
>>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
>>> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
>>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
>>> viewpoint
>>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>>> from Asia
>>>
>>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>> Yuta
>>>
>>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>>> *To*: 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
>>> MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
>>>
>>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
>>> US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>>
>>> Elaine*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
>>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>>
 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Kabu Nusi]

similar pattern in the last month, SSE vs JKSE, should be more to come?http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=01.SS&t=3m&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=^jkse--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Rei  wrote:From: Rei Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:54 PM








So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to US & Europe... 
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano  wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
Elaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant  wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Rei]

If you go to US or Japan, for example, MOST of the goods sold there say
"Made in China"...those with American/Japanese names on them. In Disneyland,
perhaps 99% of the merchandises sold there are China made.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui  wrote:

>   *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run
> by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
> Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>
> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
> debt.
>
> Elaine
> **
> * On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>
>> Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
>> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>>
>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>
>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>  *That's right!
>>
>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>
>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>> us.
>>
>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>
>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>
>>> So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>>> to US & Europe...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>>>
   If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: 
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
 And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
 policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
 country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR
 BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
 US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
 US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:

> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
>
> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>
> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>
> El, What do you think ?.
>
> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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> kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas.
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>>>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[JsxTrader™]

Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and 
iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come 
from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga 
ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n 
BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

Powered by TLKM BullBerry®

-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.

Elaine
**
*On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>
> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>
> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> *That's right!
>
> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>
> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
> us.
>
> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>
> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>
> Elaine*
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>
>>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>> to US & Europe...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>>
>>> If I can summarize:
>>>
>>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
>>> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
>>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
>>> viewpoint
>>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>>> from Asia
>>>
>>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>> Yuta
>>>
>>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>>> *To*: 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
>>> MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
>>>
>>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
>>> US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>>
>>> Elaine*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
>>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>>
 Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


 Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI

 - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
 - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

 El, What do you think ?.

 Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
 rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.









 

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RE: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[rad10 ru54k]

This time, I agree with elaine.

 



 

A joke going around:

Sometime this year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment.
This is a very exciting new program that will be explained using the Q and A
format:

Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers..

Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. No, they are borrowing it from China. Your children are expected to repay
the Chinese.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV
set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China?
A. Shut up.

*

 

 

 

 

From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Elaine Sui
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:54 AM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 

Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.

Elaine

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTraderT  wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you,
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

Sent from my BullBerryR smartphone

  _  

From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700


To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. 

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-wit
h-china-korea.html

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to
US & Europe... 

 

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
wrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy
bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
viewpoint 
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta 

Powered by my VerryBerryR

  _  

From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Error! Filename not specified.

"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
[in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
(July 2nd, 2001)

I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

Elaine



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant
 wrote:

Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y

&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI

- IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)

El, What do you think ?.

Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
rally compared to US market ? Will the world's inde

Bls: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Asep Buhori]

Prof JT might be forgot...US has many sexy girls too..he3xDari: Elaine Sui Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comTerkirim: Rabu, 8 April, 2009 08:54:28Topik: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY









Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.ElaineOn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:









 

Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
Sent from my BullBerry® smartphoneFrom:  Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY  That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. 
Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. html
ElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
 So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to US & Europe... On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano  wrote:

If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
   3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 
   4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry®
From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
   "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
  I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
  ElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant  wrote:
Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
  - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
   rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?. - - --+ ++ + + + +Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus
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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Elaine Sui]

*Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
> and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
> come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
> kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe
>
> Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
> BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
>
> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
> Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
> or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>
> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
> debt.
>
> Elaine
> **
> *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>
>>  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
>> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>>
>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>
>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>> *That's right!
>>
>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>
>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>> us.
>>
>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>
>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>
>>>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>>> to US & Europe...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>>>
 If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: 
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
 And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
 policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
 country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR
 BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
 US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
 US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:

> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
>
> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>
> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower Hi

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[dario kurniawan]

Gw rasa si elaine yang pegang data konkrit...bank dunia udah bilang cina itu kuat ekonominya..tau dari mana mereka..yang jelas mereka punya data...Data is VVIP thing at this moment..Dario Amran--- Pada Rab, 8/4/09, JsxTrader™  menulis:Dari: JsxTrader™ Topik: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYKepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comTanggal: Rabu, 8 April, 2009, 9:08 AM








   Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? HeheAnyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?Powered by TLKM BullBerry®From:  Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY  Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food. What? Pirated movie?
 that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.ElaineOn Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..Sent from my BullBerry® smartphoneFrom:  Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY  That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. htmlElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to US &
 Europe... On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano  wrote:If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from
 trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry®From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
 policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)   I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)   ElaineOn Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant  wrote:Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTapi kalo kita perhatikan
 pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:http://finance. yahoo.com/ q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI   - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)- DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)El, What do you think ?.Will Indonesia, China and India market have different marketrally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[JsxTrader™]

Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will do it 
weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
 
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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
> and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
> come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
> kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe
>
> Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
> BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
>
> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
> Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
> or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>
> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
> debt.
>
> Elaine
> **
> *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>
>>  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
>> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>>
>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>
>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>> *That's right!
>>
>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>
>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>> us.
>>
>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>
>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>
>>>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>>> to US & Europe...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>>>
 If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

 Powered by my VerryBerry®

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: 
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
 And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
 policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
 country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR
 BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
 US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
 US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:

> Soros bilang: Ini masi

[ob] BTEL Naik beneran atau pura2 sih....

[FromBuitenzorg]

Nggak memperhatikan BTEL, tau2 udah 57, 58, 59 hehehe...cuma ragu itu naiknya 
beneran atau gimana ? Kalo dibeli balik lagi ke GOCAP nyesel, kalo gak dibeli 
tau2 udah CEPEK-an juga nyesel :p


Rgrds

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[JsxTrader™]

Yes Sir, anak saya seneng banget sama Barbie, koleksinya selemari.., juga poly 
Pocket, Bratz, dll..., they all made in china.., sold milion and milion all 
over the world.., who's Idea is it..??..., tentunya US not china...

Jadi menurut saya, mau tidak mau, suka tidak suka, US tetep merupakan bagian 
penting dari hidup kita...

 
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-Original Message-
From: Rei 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:59:52 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


If you go to US or Japan, for example, MOST of the goods sold there say
"Made in China"...those with American/Japanese names on them. In Disneyland,
perhaps 99% of the merchandises sold there are China made.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui  wrote:

>   *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run
> by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
> Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>
> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
> debt.
>
> Elaine
> **
> * On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>
>> Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
>> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>>
>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>
>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>  *That's right!
>>
>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>
>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>> us.
>>
>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>
>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>
>>> So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>>> to US & Europe...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>>>
   If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

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 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: 
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
 And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
 policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
 country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR
 BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
 US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
 US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
 jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:

> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
>
> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>
> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>
>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[vaulstrad]

You will see when china transform into domestic economy. Now you see they have 
more money than before. 

US is only a fraction of their population, I'm sure one day, they do not have 
to depend on US. 

India and all asia are the market itself. 


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-Original Message-
From: "JsxTrader™" 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:30:49 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Aaah..., not to mention Facebook...LOLz..

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From: "JsxTrader™" jsxtra...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:17:36 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna 
consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk 
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you, 
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan 
to say we don't need them..., lolz..


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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. [?]

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
> to US & Europe...
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>
>>   If I can summarize:
>>
>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
>> this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
>> viewpoint
>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>> from Asia
>>
>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>
>> Rgds,
>> Yuta
>>
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>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>> *
>>
>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
>> (July 2nd, 2001)
>>
>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
>> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>
>>> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>>
>>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>>
>>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>>
>>> El, What do you think ?.
>>>
>>> Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market
>>> rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> 
>

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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Elaine Sui]

*Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like
traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway. [?] Bring your
wife and kids there, they'll like it.

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>  Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will
> do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
>
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> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> *Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
> ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]
>
> Elaine*
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>
>>  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
>> and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
>> come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
>> kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe
>>
>> Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
>> BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
>>
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>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700
>>
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>> *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
>> Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
>> or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>>
>> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
>> debt.
>>
>> Elaine
>> **
>> *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>>
>>>  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US,
>>> who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my
>>> dear.
>>>
>>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>>
>>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>>
>>> *To*: 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>> *That's right!
>>>
>>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>>
>>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>>> us.
>>>
>>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>>
>>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>>
>>> Elaine*
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>>
  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually
 spread to US & Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
 wrote:

> If I can summarize:
>
> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
> particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
> Indonesia
> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
> as
> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
> viewpoint
> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
> influences from Asia
>
> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>
> Rgds,
> Yuta
>
> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
> *
>
> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
> and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
> You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request 
> help.
> And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
> policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
> country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR
> BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
>
> I quote him coz this

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[JsxTrader™]

One more thing, EL.., punya banyak hutang artinya Credibel.., don't forget 
that.., hehe..

Well.., tau ahh.., puyeng mikirin urusan begituan, mending mikir saham 
aja..., saham apa nih yg mau kita sikat??

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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
> and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
> come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
> kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe
>
> Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
> BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
>
> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
> Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
> or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>
> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
> debt.
>
> Elaine
> **
> *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>
>>  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
>> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>>
>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>
>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>> *That's right!
>>
>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>
>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>> us.
>>
>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>
>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>
>>>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
>>> to US & Europe...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>>>
 If I can summarize:

 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
 of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
 those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
 economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
 as
 SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
 viewpoint
 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
 from Asia

 That's how the recovery will work, right?

 Rgds,
 Yuta

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 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
 *To*: 
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 *

 "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
 and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
 You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help.
 And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
 policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
 country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR
 BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)

 I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
 US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
 US
 future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
 with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)

 Elaine*


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <

Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- thanks to all

[susanti sutrisno]

Thanks to all of you (Pak JT, P "indeksbei3000", P "bursa" dkk) atas
komentar/masukannya. Thanks jg tuk Embah,...Supermarket OB memang TOP
BGT

salam,
santi

2009/4/7, indeksbei3...@gmail.com :
> Oh iya, Ibu Ave buat Trading atau invest ?
> Harus dipikirin juga tuh biar bisa balik modal
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung
> Teruuusss...!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: susanti sutrisno 
>
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:12:19
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM- Pak
> JT
>
>
> Banyak atau sedikit khan relatif ya pak Bei..tp saya punya  juga yang
> di 1060 disamping yg msh nyangkut diatas (4425, 3900 dan 1800
> hiks..hiks..).
> Mohon pencerahannya...
>
> thanks
> santi
>
> 2009/4/7, indeksbei3...@gmail.com :
>> Ibu Santi nambah banyak apa nambah sedikit ?
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung
>> Teruuusss...!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: susanti sutrisno 
>>
>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:35:30
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)---ANTM-
>> Pak
>> JT
>>
>>
>> Pak JT, bgmn ya ANTM nya... kmrn nambah di 1280, msh kuat ga pak?
>> thanks
>>
>> santi
>>
>> 2009/4/7, JsxTrader™ :
>>> Saya masih HOLD, looks like 1200 support kuat, so far saya masih
>>> confident.., kalau BD ngga rela liat saya cuan, die harus close antm
>>> dibawah
>>> 1200..., let see seberapa pelit om BD .., hehehe
>>>
>>>
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>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: zaka...@ptphapros.co.id
>>>
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:45:32
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
>>>
>>>
>>> Prof antm gimana..?? Udah entry di 1270 kemaren .. Hold or CL
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>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: "JsxTrader™" jsxtra...@yahoo.com
>>>
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 03:34:27
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
>>>
>>>
>>> Entry lah.., ini koreksi biasa aja.., namanya juga di resistant area,
>>> memang
>>> kita expect bakal ada penolakan di area skrn ini, tapi so far belum ada
>>> signal yg mengkhawatirkan..., kalau bertahan diatas 1510 for few days,
>>> we
>>> are heading to 1600'an soon..., ane dah pecahin celengan, dan siap
>>> trading
>>> dgn frame weekly to monthly..., konfirmasi jika close diatas 1650'an
>>> lah...,
>>> otherwise, masih cipet sana-cipet sini.., hehe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Elaine Sui 
>>>
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:21:03
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
>>>
>>>
>>> *You mean entry plan...?
>>>
>>> Elaine**
>>> *
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:06 AM, jsx_consultant <
>>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>>
 IHSG -25

 Don't concetrate on index NOW

 Index can be engineered, concentrate on each STOCK's technical dan
 Your trade exit plan...

 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Rully" 
 wrote:
 >
 > I'll take it.
 >
 > Here's the bet:
 > If I lose, I will treat you a nice dinner
 > If you lose, You will treat me a lunch
 >
 > place: Pacific Place
 >
 > How is that sounds?
 >
 >
 >   - Original Message -
 >   From: Elaine Sui
 >   To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 >   Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:19 AM
 >   Subject: Re: [ob] ASK: to technical traders (about correction)
 >
 >
 >   Would you take it?
 >
 >   Elaine
 >
 >
 >   On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Rei  wrote:
 >
 > EL, you mentioned 7:0...
 > Till yesterday, it's only 4:0...3 more to go!
 > Are you planning to take any bet again with OBer? :-))
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Elaine Sui 
 > wrote:
 >
 >   From your technical perspective, can we expect a correction for
 today or tomorrow, and how deep? Thanks.
 >
 >   Elaine
 >




 

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Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

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Mid-year rebound forecast
By Wang Bo (China Daily)
Updated: 2009-04-08 07:43
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The government's $586-billion stimulus package may be strong enough to drive 
the economy to an early rebound in the middle of this year, the World Bank said 
yesterday, adding a caveat that a full recovery ultimately depends on 
developments in the advanced economies.

"Fueled largely by the huge economic stimulus package, a recovery in China is 
likely to begin this year and take full hold in 2010, contributing to the 
region's stabilization," the bank said in its latest semi-annual report on the 
economic health of East Asia and the Pacific region.

"A wide range of economic indicators in China are improving," indicating that a 
recovery is underway, said Vikram Nehru, the World Bank's chief economist for 
the East Asia and Pacific region.
..

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui  wrote:
>
> *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
> Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
> or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
> 
> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.
> 
> Elaine
> **
> *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
> 
> >  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
> > gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
> >
> > Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
> > junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
> > you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
> > arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
> >
> > Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
> >
> > --
> > *From*: Elaine Sui
> > *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
> >
> > *To*: 
> > *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> > *That's right!
> >
> > Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
> > product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
> > create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
> > technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
> > tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
> > has the best drama TV series.. [?]
> >
> > Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
> > us.
> >
> > I have an interesting article, please read it.
> >
> > http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
> >
> > Elaine*
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
> >
> >>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
> >> to US & Europe...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
> >>
> >>> If I can summarize:
> >>>
> >>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
> >>> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
> >>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
> >>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
> >>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
> >>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
> >>> as
> >>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
> >>> viewpoint
> >>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
> >>> from Asia
> >>>
> >>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
> >>>
> >>> Rgds,
> >>> Yuta
> >>>
> >>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> *From*: Elaine Sui
> >>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
> >>> *To*: 
> >>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
> >>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
> >>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. 
> >>> And
> >>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the 
> >>> policies
> >>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
> >>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN
> >>> MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
> >>>
> >>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
> >>> US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
> >>> US
> >>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding 
> >>> Japan,
> >>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
> >>>
> >>> Elaine*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> >>> jsx-consult...@...> wrote:
> >>>
>  Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> 
> 
>  Tapi kalo k

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Thomas Frederick]

yes.. cape town.. really really beautiful...
 
btw Elaine... today 4:1 or 4:2 if you think you lose yesterday? or 5:1 instead for 2day?

Thank You! 
 
ThomaS FredericK--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Elaine Sui  wrote:
From: Elaine Sui Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:26 PM


Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway.  Bring your wife and kids there, they'll like it.Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

Not really investing... , just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
Powered by TLKM BullBerry®


From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700


To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY, ARE YOU INVESTING??? ?? Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? HeheAnyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700


To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone


From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700


To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. htmlElaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to US & Europe... 



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano  wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
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From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russi

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Ferry Wachjudi]

Ampun dechAfrika?? Kalau mau exotic place di Indonesia juga 
buanyakkkand bisa2 EL paling cantik dan putih disana dech.hi...hi...hi


Thanks & Rgds,
Ferry W.

http://budidaya-jamur-tiram.blogspot.com/
  - Original Message - 
  From: Elaine Sui 
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


  Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like traveling, 
you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway.  Bring your wife and kids 
there, they'll like it.

  Elaine


  On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will 
do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
Powered by TLKM BullBerry®



From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700

To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. 
HEY, ARE YOU INVESTING? 

Elaine


On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod 
and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come 
from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga 
ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

  Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n 
BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
  Powered by TLKM BullBerry®


--
  From: Elaine Sui 
  Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700

  To: 
  Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

  Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by 
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or 
Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

  What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own 
debt.

  Elaine


  On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, 
who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, 
junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around 
you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too 
arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone



From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any 
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot 
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology 
students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal 
mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best 
drama TV series.. 

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant 
to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually 
spread to US & Europe... 



  On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
 wrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than 
end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, 
particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast 
China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic 
viewpoint 
4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive 
influences from Asia

That's how the recovery will work, right?

Rgds,
Yuta 

Powered by my VerryBerry®



From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY



"In the old days you needed

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Thomas Frederick]

yes.. cape town.. really really beautiful...
 
btw Elaine... today 4:1 or 4:2 if you think you lose yesterday? or 5:1 instead for 2day

Thank You! 
 
ThomaS FredericK--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Elaine Sui  wrote:
From: Elaine Sui Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLYTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:26 PM


Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway.  Bring your wife and kids there, they'll like it.Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

Not really investing... , just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
Powered by TLKM BullBerry®


From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700


To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY, ARE YOU INVESTING??? ?? Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? HeheAnyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
Powered by TLKM BullBerry®


From: Elaine Sui Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700


To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.Elaine
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

Yea..yea..yea. .., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc. .., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone


From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700


To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


That's right!Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.I have an interesting article, please read it.http://www.thejakar tapost.com/ news/2009/ 03/25/asean- ink-investment- pacts-with- china-korea. htmlElaine
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to US & Europe... 



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano  wrote:





If I can summarize:1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from AsiaThat's how the recovery will work, right?Rgds,Yuta 
Powered by my VerryBerry®


From: Elaine Sui Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700To: Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
"In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Elaine Sui]

*JT masih bisa gain dari market US, buy Ultrashort Financial ProShares ETF
(code=SKF)

Elaine*

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>  Yes Sir, anak saya seneng banget sama Barbie, koleksinya selemari.., juga
> poly Pocket, Bratz, dll..., they all made in china.., sold milion and milion
> all over the world.., who's Idea is it..??..., tentunya US not china...
>
> Jadi menurut saya, mau tidak mau, suka tidak suka, US tetep merupakan
> bagian penting dari hidup kita...
>
> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Rei
> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:59:52 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> If you go to US or Japan, for example, MOST of the goods sold there say
> "Made in China"...those with American/Japanese names on them. In Disneyland,
> perhaps 99% of the merchandises sold there are China made.
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui  wrote:
>
>> *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
>> Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
>> or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>>
>> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
>> debt.
>>
>> Elaine
>> **
>> *
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>>
>>> Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
>>> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>>>
>>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>>
>>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>>
>>> *To*: 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>> *That's right!
>>>
>>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>>
>>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>>> us.
>>>
>>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>>
>>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>>
>>> Elaine*
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>>
 So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US & Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
 wrote:

> If I can summarize:
>
> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
> particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
> Indonesia
> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
> as
> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
> viewpoint
> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
> influences from Asia
>
> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>
> Rgds,
> Yuta
>
> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
> *
>
> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
> and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
> You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request 
> help.
> And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
> policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
> country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR
> BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
>
> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
> US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
> US
> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding 
> Japan,
> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>
> Elaine*
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>
>> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET 

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Rei]

Ya pak of course...cuma maksud saya memang gila China merajalela barangnya,
tapi itu kan order dari US/Jepang juga...they only know how to copy dan cost
mereka cheap.
Jepang juga dulu gitu, tp berhasil menjadi super power. China mungkin saja
ikut Jepang suatu hari...
US is still too powerfull now in terms of influence. Wah ngelantur nih
saya.. hehe

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>   Yes Sir, anak saya seneng banget sama Barbie, koleksinya selemari..,
> juga poly Pocket, Bratz, dll..., they all made in china.., sold milion and
> milion all over the world.., who's Idea is it..??..., tentunya US not
> china...
>
> Jadi menurut saya, mau tidak mau, suka tidak suka, US tetep merupakan
> bagian penting dari hidup kita...
>
> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Rei
> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:59:52 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
>  If you go to US or Japan, for example, MOST of the goods sold there say
> "Made in China"...those with American/Japanese names on them. In Disneyland,
> perhaps 99% of the merchandises sold there are China made.
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui  wrote:
>
>>   *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run
>> by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
>> Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>>
>> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
>> debt.
>>
>> Elaine
>> **
>> * On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>>
>>> Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
>>> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>>>
>>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>>
>>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>>
>>> *To*: 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>  *That's right!
>>>
>>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>>
>>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>>> us.
>>>
>>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>>
>>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>>
>>> Elaine*
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>>
 So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US & Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
 wrote:

>   If I can summarize:
>
> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
> particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
> Indonesia
> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
> as
> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
> viewpoint
> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
> influences from Asia
>
> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>
> Rgds,
> Yuta
>
> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
> *
>
> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
> and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
> You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request 
> help.
> And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
> policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
> country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR
> BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
>
> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
> US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the 
> US
> future is in the hand of China (it's the l

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[JsxTrader™]

Sure I love traveling, EL..., as a matter of fact I am now sick and tired so I 
need to take a vacation..., but it needs money.., and trading is one way to get 
it..., hehe...,

jadi I am doing Trading for Traveling now Lolz
 
Powered by TLKM BullBerry®

-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:26:20 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like
traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway. [?] Bring your
wife and kids there, they'll like it.

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>  Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will
> do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
>
> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> *Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
> ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]
>
> Elaine*
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>
>>  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
>> and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
>> come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
>> kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe
>>
>> Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
>> BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
>>
>> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700
>>
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>> *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
>> Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
>> or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>>
>> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
>> debt.
>>
>> Elaine
>> **
>> *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>>
>>>  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US,
>>> who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my
>>> dear.
>>>
>>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>>
>>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>>
>>> *To*: 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>> *That's right!
>>>
>>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>>
>>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>>> us.
>>>
>>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>>
>>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>>
>>> Elaine*
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>>
  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually
 spread to US & Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
 wrote:

> If I can summarize:
>
> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
> particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
> Indonesia
> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
> as
> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
> viewpoint
> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
> influences from Asia
>
> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>
> Rgds,
> Yuta
>
> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
> *
>
> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
> and then you could control that country. Today it's not neces

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[conx_2003]

what about the price of commodity in U$, because from what i have noticed 
lately is the price of commodity is in line with DJ index, so if DJ index is 
going down, so will the price of commodity, if the prices of commodity fall so 
will IDX?

hope that im wrong hahaha
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui  wrote:
>
> *Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
> ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]
> 
> Elaine*
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
> 
> >  Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
> > and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
> > come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
> > kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe
> >
> > Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
> > BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
> >
> > Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
> >
> > --
> > *From*: Elaine Sui
> > *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700
> >
> > *To*: 
> > *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> > *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
> > Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
> > or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
> >
> > What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
> > debt.
> >
> > Elaine
> > **
> > *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
> >
> >>  Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
> >> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
> >>
> >> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
> >> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look 
> >> around
> >> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is 
> >> too
> >> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
> >>
> >> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
> >>
> >> --
> >> *From*: Elaine Sui
> >> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
> >>
> >> *To*: 
> >> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> >> *That's right!
> >>
> >> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
> >> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
> >> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
> >> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
> >> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and 
> >> Korea
> >> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
> >>
> >> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
> >> us.
> >>
> >> I have an interesting article, please read it.
> >>
> >> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
> >>
> >> Elaine*
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
> >>
> >>>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
> >>> to US & Europe...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
> >>>
>  If I can summarize:
> 
>  1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
>  of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>  2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>  those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>  3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>  economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy 
>  resources as
>  SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and 
>  traffic
>  viewpoint
>  4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>  from Asia
> 
>  That's how the recovery will work, right?
> 
>  Rgds,
>  Yuta
> 
>  Powered by my VerryBerry®
> 
>  --
>  *From*: Elaine Sui
>  *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>  *To*: 
>  *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
> 
>  *
> 
>  "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
>  and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all.
>  You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request 
>  help.
>  And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the
>  policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a
>  country, effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR
>  BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001)
> 
>  I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the
>  US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively 
>  the 

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Rei]

Ah pak JT suka merendah nih... :-) I am sure you can travel anywhere
anytime.
Di Guam bagus juga pak katanya, teman saya ada yg disana (org Guam sih, baru
datang ke jakarta blm lama ini)...cuma buat relaxing. Buat yg pikir
Hawaii/Africa mungkin terlalu jauh, tapi Bali terlalu dekat hehe. Banyak
turis Jepang di sana.

Ngomong2 Antm <1200 tuh...Monggo buat yg belum masuk. Ptba malah sdh kuning.



On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:33 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>   Sure I love traveling, EL..., as a matter of fact I am now sick and
> tired so I need to take a vacation..., but it needs money.., and trading is
> one way to get it..., hehe...,
>
> jadi I am doing Trading for Traveling now Lolz
>
> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:26:20 +0700
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
> *Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like
> traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway. [?] Bring
> your wife and kids there, they'll like it.
>
> Elaine**
> *
>  On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>
>> Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will
>> do it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...
>>
>> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700
>>
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>  *Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track.
>> HEY, ARE YOU INVESTING? [?][?][?]
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod
>>> and iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still
>>> come from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important..,
>>> kalau ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe
>>>
>>> Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
>>> BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?
>>>
>>> Powered by TLKM BullBerry®
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>>> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700
>>>
>>> *To*: 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>*Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank
>>> run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
>>> Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>>>
>>> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
>>> debt.
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>> **
>>> * On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ wrote:
>>>
 Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US,
 who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my
 dear.

 Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
 junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look 
 around
 you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is 
 too
 arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

 Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone

 --
 *From*: Elaine Sui
 *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700

 *To*: 
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
  *That's right!

 Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
 product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
 create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
 technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
 tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and 
 Korea
 has the best drama TV series.. [?]

 Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
 us.

 I have an interesting article, please read it.

 http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

 Elaine*

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

> So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually
> spread to US & Europe...
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
> wrote:
>
>>   If I can summarize:
>>
>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than
>> end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
>> particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
>> Indonesia
>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy 
>> resources as
>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busie

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Vernichtung]

Pak JT mah sukanya ke Crown di Melbourne, bisa main tek tok seperti di BEI
tapi lebih asik soalnya lebih cepat tek toknya hehehe.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Rei  wrote:

>  Ah pak JT suka merendah nih... :-) I am sure you can travel anywhere
> anytime.
> Di Guam bagus juga pak katanya, teman saya ada yg disana (org Guam sih,
> baru datang ke jakarta blm lama ini)...cuma buat relaxing. Buat yg pikir
> Hawaii/Africa mungkin terlalu jauh, tapi Bali terlalu dekat hehe. Banyak
> turis Jepang di sana.
>
> Ngomong2 Antm <1200 tuh...Monggo buat yg belum masuk. Ptba malah sdh
> kuning.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[Vernichtung]

Yes besides producers we also need consumers, the thing is can the world
find new consumers that can consume what the producer can produce thus
stimulating economy of the producers and hopefully the consumers along with
it.

[ob] Lapkeu BNBR direvisi ada selisih 1 T

[Vernichtung]

Ralat Lapkeu, BEI Akan Periksa BNBR
  
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 Selasa, 7 April 2009 | 10:48 WIB

*JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com *— Bursa Efek Indonesia kembali meneropong isi laporan
keuangan PT Bakrie & Brothers Tbk (BNBR). BEI ingin mengungkap latar
belakang induk usaha Grup Bakrie itu meralat nilai kerugian bersih dalam
laporan keuangan 2008.

Sebagai langkah pembuka, pekan ini BEI akan memeriksa auditor laporan
keuangan 2008 BNBR. Sebagai informasi, BNBR menunjuk Kantor Akuntan Publik
Doli, Bambang, Sudarmadji & Dadang selaku auditor laporan keuangan
konsolidasi BNBR tahun 2008.

BEI akan meminta penjelasan auditor mengenai latar belakang revisi nilai
kerugian BNBR. Maklum, revisi tersebut berselisih nyaris Rp 1 triliun.
"Paling lambat pekan ini akan kami periksa, kalau bisa secepatnya," kata
Direktur Pencatatan BEI Eddy Sugito, Senin (6/4).

Eddy mengakui, selisih nilai kerugian bersih BNBR tersebut memang sangat
besar. Apalagi, mereka melakukan revisi hanya berselang sehari setelah
laporan keuangan BNBR keluar. "Poin ini yang akan kami mintakan penjelasan,"
imbuhnya.

Sedikit berkilas balik, Jumat pekan lalu manajemen BNBR mengumumkan kerugian
bersih mereka mencapai Rp 16,62 triliun. Namun, sehari kemudian, BNBR
meralat nilai kerugian bersih menjadi Rp 15,86 triliun. Ini berarti,
kerugian induk usaha Grup Bakrie itu menyusut sekitar Rp 760 miliar.

Menurut Direktur BNBR Dileep Srivastava, penurunan nilai kerugian bersih
BNBR tersebut terjadi karena terdapat kesalahan dalam pencatatan kontribusi
laba anak perusahaan. Tadinya, laba dari anak usaha ini tercatat hanya Rp
582 miliar. Padahal, jumlah laba anak usaha yang benar adalah Rp 1,58
triliun.

Eddy mengatakan, selain auditor BNBR, BEI juga akan memeriksa manajemen
BNBR. "Pokoknya dari kedua belah pihak supaya tidak simpang siur," tuturnya.

Makanya, Eddy tidak ingin menduga-duga tentang alasan perubahan laporan
keuangan BNBR tersebut. Menurutnya, tim auditor tidak mungkin melakukan
keteledoran hanya karena alasan untuk memenuhi tenggat waktu alias *deadline
*penyerahan laporan keuangan.

Sebab, aturan di bursa sudah jelas. Emiten yang hingga 31 Maret belum
menyerahkan laporan keuangan, tetapi bisa memenuhinya pada April hanya akan
terkena surat peringatan. "Tapi, saya belum berani mengatakan indikasinya
apa, makanya kami harus ketemu dulu dengan mereka," ujarnya.

*BNBR akan patuh
*

Manajemen BNBR sendiri siap memenuhi panggilan BEI. "Kami menyerahkan
masalah ini kepada otoritas bursa," kata Dileep.

Dileep kembali menegaskan bahwa kesalahan pencatatan pos laba anak
perusahaan dalam laporan keuangan BNBR tahun 2008 adalah murni kesalahan
manusia.

Walau kerugian bersih BNBR menyusut, kerugian ini tetap saja mencatatkan
rekor sebagai kerugian terbesar emiten sepanjang sejarah pasar modal
Indonesia. Penyumbang terbesar kerugian BNBR berasal dari penjualan
kepemilikan saham di beberapa anak perusahaan. Dari pos ini saja, BNBR
merugi Rp 17,06 triliun.

Pengerek kerugian BNBR lainnya berasal dari beban rugi kurs yang lumayan
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miliar. *(Yuwono
Triatmodjo, Fitri Nur Arifenie/Kontan)*

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[mh]

Pak Rei,

Terlepas china suka copy dan jago copy,
Mereka punya satu hal yang menyebabkan maju, yaitu kebiasaan hidup hemat.
Mereka melakukan saving, tapi ini terjadi pada generasi tua aja kira2 di atas 
40 thn yg sempet hidup susah.
Utk generasi di bawah itu yg ga hidup susah, mereka boros juga.
Dan kayaknya roda akan berputar sekarang saatnya abad asia, mungkin ketika asia 
redup, maka lokomotif ekonomi akan pindah ke afrika yg sekarang sedang susah 
bgt.

Mh
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-Original Message-
From: Rei 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:32:41 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Ya pak of course...cuma maksud saya memang gila China merajalela barangnya,
tapi itu kan order dari US/Jepang juga...they only know how to copy dan cost
mereka cheap.
Jepang juga dulu gitu, tp berhasil menjadi super power. China mungkin saja
ikut Jepang suatu hari...
US is still too powerfull now in terms of influence. Wah ngelantur nih
saya.. hehe

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:15 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:

>   Yes Sir, anak saya seneng banget sama Barbie, koleksinya selemari..,
> juga poly Pocket, Bratz, dll..., they all made in china.., sold milion and
> milion all over the world.., who's Idea is it..??..., tentunya US not
> china...
>
> Jadi menurut saya, mau tidak mau, suka tidak suka, US tetep merupakan
> bagian penting dari hidup kita...
>
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> --
> *From*: Rei
> *Date*: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:59:52 +0700
>
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
>  If you go to US or Japan, for example, MOST of the goods sold there say
> "Made in China"...those with American/Japanese names on them. In Disneyland,
> perhaps 99% of the merchandises sold there are China made.
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Elaine Sui  wrote:
>
>>   *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run
>> by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either
>> Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.
>>
>> What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own
>> debt.
>>
>> Elaine
>> **
>> * On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™  wrote:
>>
>>> Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
>>> gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.
>>>
>>> Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music,
>>> junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around
>>> you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
>>> arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..
>>>
>>> Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700
>>>
>>> *To*: 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>  *That's right!
>>>
>>> Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
>>> product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
>>> create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
>>> technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
>>> tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
>>> has the best drama TV series.. [?]
>>>
>>> Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to
>>> us.
>>>
>>> I have an interesting article, please read it.
>>>
>>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html
>>>
>>> Elaine*
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:
>>>
 So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
 to US & Europe...


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
 wrote:

>   If I can summarize:
>
> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end
> of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region,
> particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including
> Indonesia
> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources 
> as
> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
> viewpoint
> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive
> influences from Asia
>
> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>
> Rgds,
> Yuta
>
> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>
> --
> *From*: Elaine Sui
> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
> *To*: 
> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>
> *
>
> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force,
> and then you could

Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[JsxTrader™]

Itu kan baru katanya, baru akan dan belum proven.., kita bicara realitas yg 
terjadi sekarang ini...

China banyak duit?? Yes, no question abuot it.., dari mana datengnya? From 
their customer.., siapa customer terbesarnya?.., you know the aswer lah...

Jadi kalau customernya bokek.., repot juga.., nah supaya si customer tetep bisa 
belanja.., boleh lah dikasih utang dulu.., why would you give your customer a 
credit??.., karena anda percaya bahwa mereka mampu untuk bayar... Nah, Ini yg 
terpenting 

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:57:28 
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Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


You will see when china transform into domestic economy. Now you see they have 
more money than before. 

US is only a fraction of their population, I'm sure one day, they do not have 
to depend on US. 

India and all asia are the market itself. 


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-Original Message-
From: "JsxTrader™" 

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:30:49 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Aaah..., not to mention Facebook...LOLz..

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:17:36 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna 
consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do...,  I love their movie, music, junk 
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you, 
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan 
to say we don't need them..., lolz..


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-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui 

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY


*That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. [?]

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html

Elaine*

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

>  So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread
> to US & Europe...
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano wrote:
>
>>   If I can summarize:
>>
>> 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
>> this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
>> 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
>> those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
>> 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China
>> economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as
>> SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic
>> viewpoint
>> 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences
>> from Asia
>>
>> That's how the recovery will work, right?
>>
>> Rgds,
>> Yuta
>>
>> Powered by my VerryBerry®
>>
>> --
>> *From*: Elaine Sui
>> *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700
>> *To*: 
>> *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>
>> *
>>
>> "In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and
>> then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You
>> can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And
>> [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies
>> of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country,
>> effectively you have colonized that country." - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD
>> (July 2nd, 2001)
>>
>> I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US
>> with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US
>> future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan,
>> with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.)
>>
>> Elaine*
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant <
>> jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id> wrote:
>>
>>> Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda:
>>>
>>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2y&s=%5EJKSE&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&c=%5EDJI
>>>
>>> - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High)
>>> - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low)
>>>
>>>

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Re: [ob] BTEL Naik beneran atau pura2 sih....

[widhie]

Beberapa hour ini monitor btel, eh pas market turun dan kayaknya ndak ada 
harapan malah terbang sendiri, lsg 18% lagi. BD-nya cari momen yg `pas` biar 
ndka ditumpangi orang
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-Original Message-
From: "FromBuitenzorg" 

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:55:33 
To: 
Subject: [ob] BTEL Naik beneran atau pura2 sih


Nggak memperhatikan BTEL, tau2 udah 57, 58, 59 hehehe...cuma ragu itu naiknya 
beneran atau gimana ? Kalo dibeli balik lagi ke GOCAP nyesel, kalo gak dibeli 
tau2 udah CEPEK-an juga nyesel :p


Rgrds





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RE: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

[JsxTrader]

Untuk local, Bali still my favorite lah.., hampir setiap tahun kesana dan
ngga pernah bosen.., Cuma jangan sekali-sekali ke Bali kalau lagi ada
posisi., liburan bisa rusak..hehe.., waktu crash agustus 2007 saya pas
disana.., porto ancur.., yang ada bukannya enjoy malah merenungi nasib
dipinggir pantai .., hahaha

 

Anyway.., ANTM 1200 masih kuat tuh., let see lah., BD nunggu kita give up
kali., saya sih belagak bego aja dah.. I am still HOLD.., J

 

JT

 

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On Behalf Of Rei
Sent: 08 April 2009 9:38
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

 

Ah pak JT suka merendah nih... :-) I am sure you can travel anywhere
anytime.

Di Guam bagus juga pak katanya, teman saya ada yg disana (org Guam sih, baru
datang ke jakarta blm lama ini)...cuma buat relaxing. Buat yg pikir
Hawaii/Africa mungkin terlalu jauh, tapi Bali terlalu dekat hehe. Banyak
turis Jepang di sana.

 

Ngomong2 Antm <1200 tuh...Monggo buat yg belum masuk. Ptba malah sdh kuning.



 

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:33 AM, JsxTraderT  wrote:

Sure I love traveling, EL..., as a matter of fact I am now sick and tired so
I need to take a vacation..., but it needs money.., and trading is one way
to get it..., hehe...,

jadi I am doing Trading for Traveling now Lolz

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From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:26:20 +0700 


To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Don't you want anything else to do instead of trading? things like
traveling, you know Africa is a very exotic place for getaway. Bring your
wife and kids there, they'll like it.

Elaine

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:17 AM, JsxTraderT  wrote:

Not really investing..., just trading longer.., no more daily lah.., will do
it weekly.., maybe montly if the market get even better...

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From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:14:02 +0700 


To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Innovation is another thing. For Antam and BUMI they're still on track. HEY,
ARE YOU INVESTING? 

Elaine

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, JsxTraderT  wrote:

Yes mom.., they all made in china, but the inovation came from US, iPod and
iPhone are the example.., what I am going to say, the 'think' is still come
from the USA.., at least until now..., and that's very important.., kalau
ngga ada inovation, apa yg mau di produce and di jual?? Hehe

Anyway.., whatever lah, I really don't care, all I care now is our ANTM n
BUMI..., gimana EL, still on track?

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From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 +0700 


To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by
Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese
or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food.

What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt.

Elaine

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTraderT  wrote:

Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's
gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear.

Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk
food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you,
see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too
arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz..

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From: Elaine Sui 
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700 


To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY

That's right!

Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any
product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot
create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and
technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field,
tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea
has the best drama TV series.. 

Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us.

I have an interesting article, please read it.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-wit
h-china-korea.html

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei  wrote:

So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to
US & Europe...  

 

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano 
wrote:

If I can summarize:

1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of
this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet
2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary
those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia
3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy
bouncing back which they will start to (accumu

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[ob] BD mencoba menahan index

[jsx_consultant]

BD mencoba menahan index


BD menahan kejatuhan index dengan mengangkat
PGAS 5,5%, MEDC 4,3% dan INCO 5,8% dan IHSG berhasil rebound
dari -10 ke -1

Saat ini -4 

Masih ditunggu kesungguhan BD untuk mengangkat saham saham yg perlu dana besar.

Re: [ob] BTEL Naik beneran atau pura2 sih....

[frombuitenzorg]

Thanks Boss, masih diamati tingkah lakunya

Rgrds


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From: wid...@gmail.com

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 02:50:47 
To: 
Subject: Re: [ob] BTEL Naik beneran atau pura2 sih


Beberapa hour ini monitor btel, eh pas market turun dan kayaknya ndak ada 
harapan malah terbang sendiri, lsg 18% lagi. BD-nya cari momen yg `pas` biar 
ndka ditumpangi orang
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-Original Message-
From: "FromBuitenzorg" 

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:55:33 
To: 
Subject: [ob] BTEL Naik beneran atau pura2 sih


Nggak memperhatikan BTEL, tau2 udah 57, 58, 59 hehehe...cuma ragu itu naiknya 
beneran atau gimana ? Kalo dibeli balik lagi ke GOCAP nyesel, kalo gak dibeli 
tau2 udah CEPEK-an juga nyesel :p


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[ob] Saham GOCAPAN bangkit dari kuburan. Semua

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[ob] Re: EXPORT TINS NAIK 30%

[Vic]

tapi harga timah masih disitu2 aja. margin masih tipis. q4 malah rugi karena 
beli inventory di harga tinggi dan jual pas harga jatuh. tunggu tins akumulasi 
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[ob] Re: BD mencoba menahan index

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Yang perlu dana besar maksudnya TLKM mbah???

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 wrote:
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> BD mencoba menahan index
>
>
> BD menahan kejatuhan index dengan mengangkat
> PGAS 5,5%, MEDC 4,3% dan INCO 5,8% dan IHSG berhasil rebound
> dari -10 ke -1
>
> Saat ini -4
>
> Masih ditunggu kesungguhan BD untuk mengangkat saham saham yg perlu
dana besar.
>