Re: AOO for Debian

[imacat]

於 2012年03月15日 08:41, Rob Weir 提到:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Claudio Filho  wrote:
>> 2012/3/14 imacat 
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org/msg28484.html
>>> Anyone would like to follow up?
> OK.  This is good info.  I brought up the question, but I know it is
> not reasonable for AOO 3.4.  But if we can find a volunteer to help
> in this area, then this is a real possibility for AOO 4.0, or even an
> intermediate release, like a 3.4.1 if we want.

There is a problem here:  Debian release cycle is about 3-5 years,
and the freeze of Wheezy is not far.  That means if we did not make it
into Wheezy, we may lost it in the upcoming 3-5 years.  We may need more
effort to push 3.4 into Wheezy, even with the old method.

I know the schedule is really tight and there are still many things
to do.  But the situation does not wait, too. ^^;

I will ask our local Debian developers for more information on this.

> To me the interesting point was that there was some user demand for this 
> choice.

There are more here in Taiwan. :p  They do not speak English are not
on the list.  They are not heard from the current choice. ^^;

>> I started my study in deb pack system and i wish to play with it.

I started, too.  It's nice to have you here. ^_*'  Maybe we (and
other people needed) can team up on this.

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Re: [DOWNLOAD] Cannot commit changes on "www.openoffice.org/download/other.html"

[Dave Fisher]

There were issues with the Apache SVN mirror in Europe being behind the one in 
the US.

On Mar 14, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Kevin Sisco wrote:

> Was everything not fully migrated at this time?  That's what I got
> from the error at least.
> 
> 
> On 3/14/12, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> first I've changed via the CMS bookmarklet the
>> "www.openoffice.org/download/globalvars.js" successfully to point to the
>> new download service.
>> 
>> This was done with r1300748 at 2012-03-14 10:59 CET.
>> 
>> Now (2012-03-15 00:53 CET) when doing a "svn update" on the command line
>> I get:
>> 
>> svn update
>> At revision 1300515.
>> 
>> From where comes the difference?
>> 
>> The following error message comes when trying to do further commits on
>> the command line I get an error message:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> svn commit -m"Switched to the secondary download service because Oracle
>> will shutdown the primary service on March, 15th." other.html
>> 
>> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
>> 
>> svn: The specified baseline is not the latest baseline, so it may not be
>> checked out.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It seems I have to go on tomorrow do replace some more strings.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 

Re: I'd love your opinion on a question of FAQ style

[Jing Bai]

I personally would also vote B, just imagine I am one of the end users,
option B provides more information that I might need. Furthermore I also
think try to state things in a positive way would also be helpful to the
product. Reading the draft now.

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> Thanks, everyone, for the quite and useful feedback.  I wouldn't say
> there was a conclusive preference for either model, so that suggests
> we keep on iterating.  I did, however, note a pattern of comments
> related to verbosity, so I took another pass over the draft FAQs and
> tried to tighten them up a bit.  Vigorous writing is concise, etc.
>
> You can see the latest draft here:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Brainstorming+on+FAQs+--+draft
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:21 AM,   wrote:
> > Rob Weir [robw...@apache.org] kirjoitti:
> >>
> >> This question came up on the other thread.  I'd be interested in
> >>
> >> knowing which style of FAQ you prefer:
> >>
> >> Example A:
> >>
> >> "Who is building Apache OpenOffice releases?
> >>
> >>  * In common with other Apache projects, work on Apache OpenOffice is
> >> performed by individual volunteers.
> >>  * Development is done a number of the original developers of
> >> OpenOffice.org in addition to community volunteers and developers from
> >> other projects derived from the OpenOffice codebase including IBM
> >> Symphony."
> >>
> >> or Example B:
> >>
> >> "Who is developing Apache OpenOffice?
> >>
> >> Like any other Apache project, work on Apache OpenOffice is performed
> >> by a diverse group of volunteers, from over a dozen countries.  We
> >> have participants who are brand new to the project as of last week.
> >> We also have many old hands, who have been involved with OpenOffice
> >> for a decade or more.  These volunteers work on coding, testing,
> >> documentation, websites, translations, marketing as well as other
> >> functions.  Some of our volunteers are listed here:
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html.If you are
> >> interested in helping develop the next great version of Apache
> >> OpenOffice please take a look at our Getting Involved page
> >> (http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html)."
> >>
> >>
> >> Another set:
> >>
> >> Example A:
> >>
> >> "Where can I get updates to the copy of OpenOffice.org that I am
> running?
> >>
> >>   *  There have been no updates to OpenOffice.org binaries released
> >> for users since Oracle stopped development and there will be no
> >> patches to those earlier binary programs released.
> >>* The project is currently preparing a new version of the code and
> >> it will be available through the openoffice.org website.
> >>* Once Apache OpenOffice v3.4 is released, the project recommends
> >> you replace your OpenOffice.org installation with it.
> >>* Again, there are developer versions available for testing
> purposes."
> >>
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> Example B:
> >>
> >> "Where can I get updates to the copy of OpenOffice.org that I am
> running?
> >>
> >>  * The latest release of OpenOffice.org is 3.3.  If you have that then
> >> you have the latest.  If you would like to extend the capabilities of
> >> your OpenOffice 3.3 you might take a look at the many compatible
> >> extensions (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/) and templates
> >> (http://templates.services.openoffice.org/)  that are available.
> >> *   We are currently preparing a new release, Apache OpenOffice 3.4.
> >> When available, you can download it from the http://www.openoffice.org
> >> website.  If you want to be on a notification list for when Apache
> >> OpenOffice 3.4 is available for download, you can send an email to
> >> ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org."
> >>
> >> These two approaches, A and B, differ in tone, formality and
> >> information level.   Which do you think would be most useful to users
> >> seeking answers to their questions?
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> > Hello!
> > Personally I don't like long story but bullet list with links if needed.
> >  But A ja B are mixed for that.
> >
> > Regards
> > Risto
>

Re: Let barking dogs bark

[Kevin Sisco]

People always want to hinder progress.


On 3/14/12, Carl Marcum  wrote:
> On 03/14/2012 01:22 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> 
>> For me it shows that some people get nervous because they see that the
>> stuttering engine of AOO runs better and better. So let us oil the
>> engine that it runs constantly and smooth.
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>
> +1
>
> After the first AOO release, some of this may end.
>
> It just seems funny that the closer the release gets, the more of this
> we see :)
>
> Maybe there's a campaign going on and we weren't invited :)
>
> Best regards,
> Carl
>

Re: [DOWNLOAD] Cannot commit changes on "www.openoffice.org/download/other.html"

[Kevin Sisco]

Was everything not fully migrated at this time?  That's what I got
from the error at least.


On 3/14/12, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> first I've changed via the CMS bookmarklet the
> "www.openoffice.org/download/globalvars.js" successfully to point to the
> new download service.
>
> This was done with r1300748 at 2012-03-14 10:59 CET.
>
> Now (2012-03-15 00:53 CET) when doing a "svn update" on the command line
> I get:
>
> svn update
> At revision 1300515.
>
>  From where comes the difference?
>
> The following error message comes when trying to do further commits on
> the command line I get an error message:
>
>
>
> svn commit -m"Switched to the secondary download service because Oracle
> will shutdown the primary service on March, 15th." other.html
>
> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
>
> svn: The specified baseline is not the latest baseline, so it may not be
> checked out.
>
>
>
> It seems I have to go on tomorrow do replace some more strings.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Marcus
>

Re: Interested in helping with testing.

[xia zhao]

Tenille,

Welcome help on testing! Currently we are focusing on AOO 3.4 general
testing, IP clearance testing have been done last week.

If it is ok, I'd like you take the Math component to do general usage
testing, also some interoperability testing with previous OOo version and
MS Office.

You may visit below link to give AOO 3.4 QA overview.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/QA

Also here to get the QA progress:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+QA+Status+Report

Please download the latest dev snapshot build to do testing:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots

Don't hesitate to let me know if any comments.

Thanks & Best Regards,

Lily
2012/3/15 Tenille Brathwaite 

>
> My name is Tenille Brathwaite, and my major is in software engineering.
>  One of my assignments this semester is to assist with an open source
> testing project and I was wondering if there are still opportunities
> available to get involved in testing the Apache OpenOffice software, and
> what areas I could provide assistance in.
>
>
>
> Tenille Brathwaite.
>
>

Re: [DOWNLOAD] Switched the download service from "download.services.openoffice.org" to "openoffice.mirrorbrain.org"

[Dave Fisher]

On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

> Am 03/15/2012 01:34 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> as I don't know when exactly the shutdown will take place and I don't know
>>> if I'm around to do the switch, I've done it now.
>>> 
>>> - http://download.services.openoffice.org/
>>> + http://openoffice.mirrorbrain.org/
>>> 
>>> This is to make sure we can continoue to deliver the OOo 3.3.0 and older
>>> release bits for the short term. Until we have a secondary or - even better
>>> - mid-term/long-term solution.
>>> 
>>> Again, thanks to Peter Poeml that we can use his service and for his offer
>>> to take this into a permanent solution. :-)
>>> 
>> 
>> This is great.
>> 
>> I think we need to start thinking about a "Thanks" page on the
>> website.  Aside from direct volunteer efforts on the project,we're
>> starting to benefit from what I'd call "in kind" contributions from
>> 3rd parties, such as what we're seeing here,and with SourceForge.
> 
> BTW:
> On the bottom of "http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; you can see a banner 
> logo with linkback to Mirrorbrain. This is there since, hm, 2-3 years maybe. 
> But of course we can enhance this much more.

I removed the links to legacy release candidates, betas and developer builds. 
Their continued presence on the site will only confuse people.

I think that the "Release Schedule" link[1] needs some attention. 

Regards,
Dave

[1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Product_Release

> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
>> We should give recognition where it is deserved.   Is there some
>> protocol for doing this at Apache?
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>>> For details please check the SVN post on the ooo-commits@ ML.
>>> 
>>> Marcus

Re: [DOWNLOAD] Switched the download service from "download.services.openoffice.org" to "openoffice.mirrorbrain.org"

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 03/15/2012 01:34 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

Hi all,

as I don't know when exactly the shutdown will take place and I don't know
if I'm around to do the switch, I've done it now.

- http://download.services.openoffice.org/
+ http://openoffice.mirrorbrain.org/

This is to make sure we can continoue to deliver the OOo 3.3.0 and older
release bits for the short term. Until we have a secondary or - even better
- mid-term/long-term solution.

Again, thanks to Peter Poeml that we can use his service and for his offer
to take this into a permanent solution. :-)



This is great.

I think we need to start thinking about a "Thanks" page on the
website.  Aside from direct volunteer efforts on the project,we're
starting to benefit from what I'd call "in kind" contributions from
3rd parties, such as what we're seeing here,and with SourceForge.


BTW:
On the bottom of "http://www.openoffice.org/download/"; you can see a 
banner logo with linkback to Mirrorbrain. This is there since, hm, 2-3 
years maybe. But of course we can enhance this much more.


Marcus




We should give recognition where it is deserved.   Is there some
protocol for doing this at Apache?

-Rob


For details please check the SVN post on the ooo-commits@ ML.

Marcus

Re: AOO for Debian

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Claudio Filho  wrote:
> Hi
>
> 2012/3/14 imacat 
>
>> I have brought this issue into:
>>
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org/msg28484.html
>>
>> Anyone would like to follow up?
>>
>
>
> I have interesting in this question, Imacat.
>
> In other list - the debian-publicity, when i did a infographic of Debian
> and its funcionalities[1], was asked why[2] i used the gulls and not the
> paper (of LibO), and i reply[3] that i believe that AOO will returns.
> [1]http://claudiocomputing.wordpress.com/infographic-of-debian/
> [2]http://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2011/12/msg00059.html
> [3]http://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2011/12/msg00060.html
>
> As i help in l10n of Debian too, i asked for some debian developers about
> this question, of return AOO/OOo to Debian. The reply was to get a stable
> version and continuity in the devel more the said point by Imacat about the
> compatibility in FHS and the legal questions that, in my opinion, is in a
> good way.
>

OK.  This is good info.  I brought up the question, but I know it is
not reasonable for AOO 3.4.  But if we can find a volunteer to help
in this area, then this is a real possibility for AOO 4.0, or even an
intermediate release, like a 3.4.1 if we want.

To me the interesting point was that there was some user demand for this choice.

> And about the debian and linux to be our minor public, i not agree. The
> market share of OS of linux is ~20% into desktop, and when we give a focus
> in support the AOO in Debian, practically we are helping all derivates,
> like Ubuntu. Entering (again) in Debian, is more easy to enter in all
> derivates. The same for RPM based distros.
>
> I started my study in deb pack system and i wish to play with it.
>
> Best,
> Claudio

Re: AOO for Debian

[Claudio Filho]

Hi

2012/3/14 imacat 

> I have brought this issue into:
>
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org/msg28484.html
>
> Anyone would like to follow up?
>


I have interesting in this question, Imacat.

In other list - the debian-publicity, when i did a infographic of Debian
and its funcionalities[1], was asked why[2] i used the gulls and not the
paper (of LibO), and i reply[3] that i believe that AOO will returns.
[1]http://claudiocomputing.wordpress.com/infographic-of-debian/
[2]http://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2011/12/msg00059.html
[3]http://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2011/12/msg00060.html

As i help in l10n of Debian too, i asked for some debian developers about
this question, of return AOO/OOo to Debian. The reply was to get a stable
version and continuity in the devel more the said point by Imacat about the
compatibility in FHS and the legal questions that, in my opinion, is in a
good way.

And about the debian and linux to be our minor public, i not agree. The
market share of OS of linux is ~20% into desktop, and when we give a focus
in support the AOO in Debian, practically we are helping all derivates,
like Ubuntu. Entering (again) in Debian, is more easy to enter in all
derivates. The same for RPM based distros.

I started my study in deb pack system and i wish to play with it.

Best,
Claudio

Re: [DOWNLOAD] Switched the download service from "download.services.openoffice.org" to "openoffice.mirrorbrain.org"

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> as I don't know when exactly the shutdown will take place and I don't know
> if I'm around to do the switch, I've done it now.
>
> - http://download.services.openoffice.org/
> + http://openoffice.mirrorbrain.org/
>
> This is to make sure we can continoue to deliver the OOo 3.3.0 and older
> release bits for the short term. Until we have a secondary or - even better
> - mid-term/long-term solution.
>
> Again, thanks to Peter Poeml that we can use his service and for his offer
> to take this into a permanent solution. :-)
>

This is great.

I think we need to start thinking about a "Thanks" page on the
website.  Aside from direct volunteer efforts on the project,we're
starting to benefit from what I'd call "in kind" contributions from
3rd parties, such as what we're seeing here,and with SourceForge.

We should give recognition where it is deserved.   Is there some
protocol for doing this at Apache?

-Rob

> For details please check the SVN post on the ooo-commits@ ML.
>
> Marcus

[DOWNLOAD] Cannot commit changes on "www.openoffice.org/download/other.html"

[Marcus (OOo)]

Hi all,

first I've changed via the CMS bookmarklet the 
"www.openoffice.org/download/globalvars.js" successfully to point to the 
new download service.


This was done with r1300748 at 2012-03-14 10:59 CET.

Now (2012-03-15 00:53 CET) when doing a "svn update" on the command line 
I get:


svn update
At revision 1300515.

From where comes the difference?

The following error message comes when trying to do further commits on 
the command line I get an error message:




svn commit -m"Switched to the secondary download service because Oracle 
will shutdown the primary service on March, 15th." other.html


svn: Commit failed (details follow):

svn: The specified baseline is not the latest baseline, so it may not be 
checked out.




It seems I have to go on tomorrow do replace some more strings.

Thanks for your help.

Marcus

[DOWNLOAD] Switched the download service from "download.services.openoffice.org" to "openoffice.mirrorbrain.org"

[Marcus (OOo)]

Hi all,

as I don't know when exactly the shutdown will take place and I don't 
know if I'm around to do the switch, I've done it now.


- http://download.services.openoffice.org/
+ http://openoffice.mirrorbrain.org/

This is to make sure we can continoue to deliver the OOo 3.3.0 and older 
release bits for the short term. Until we have a secondary or - even 
better - mid-term/long-term solution.


Again, thanks to Peter Poeml that we can use his service and for his 
offer to take this into a permanent solution. :-)


For details please check the SVN post on the ooo-commits@ ML.

Marcus

Re: AOO for Debian

[imacat]

I have brought this issue into:

http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org/msg28484.html

Anyone would like to follow up?

On 2012/03/15 07:32, imacat said:
> I was thinking about this, too.
> 
> But actually, for this to work, the discussion should be brought to
> the debian-openoff...@lists.debian.org list, not
> debian-u...@lists.debian.org.  Also we need someone understand how to
> package .deb packages that follow the Debian policy in order to package
> AOO by the Debian policy.
> 
> For the long term, we should update our build system so it follows
> the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) and meets the requirements of
> the distributions.
> 
> I shall bring this issue to debian-openoff...@lists.debian.org first.
> 
> On 2012/03/15 05:30, Rob Weir said:
>> Note this thread on the Debian user list, with a user who prefers the
>> AOO 3.4 snapshots over the alternatives and is asking about having a
>> choice about which one to use in Debian:
>>
>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/03/msg00824.html
>>
>> Sure, it is only a small part of our user base, but I think they
>> should have choice, even on Linux.
>>
>> The particulars of his reasons why he prefers AOO are interesting, but
>> the main message is that we need to be out the watch for some
>> experienced package maintainers.
>>
>> -Rob
> 
> 


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Re: AOO for Debian

[imacat]

I was thinking about this, too.

But actually, for this to work, the discussion should be brought to
the debian-openoff...@lists.debian.org list, not
debian-u...@lists.debian.org.  Also we need someone understand how to
package .deb packages that follow the Debian policy in order to package
AOO by the Debian policy.

For the long term, we should update our build system so it follows
the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) and meets the requirements of
the distributions.

I shall bring this issue to debian-openoff...@lists.debian.org first.

On 2012/03/15 05:30, Rob Weir said:
> Note this thread on the Debian user list, with a user who prefers the
> AOO 3.4 snapshots over the alternatives and is asking about having a
> choice about which one to use in Debian:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/03/msg00824.html
> 
> Sure, it is only a small part of our user base, but I think they
> should have choice, even on Linux.
> 
> The particulars of his reasons why he prefers AOO are interesting, but
> the main message is that we need to be out the watch for some
> experienced package maintainers.
> 
> -Rob


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Re: Let barking dogs bark

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:

> I would recommend that no one respond to the following:
>
>
> http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/03/14/brand-confusion/
>
> It really serves no purpose to do so.
>
> I would also suggest that those who intent is to simply stir this
> kind of stuff up to simply shut the f*ck up, and let the coders code
> and the project grow.
>

Agreed...carry on folks!

-- 

MzK

"Follow your bliss."
 -- attributed to Joseph Campbell

Re: Let barking dogs bark

[Carl Marcum]

On 03/14/2012 01:22 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:


For me it shows that some people get nervous because they see that the
stuttering engine of AOO runs better and better. So let us oil the
engine that it runs constantly and smooth.

Juergen



+1

After the first AOO release, some of this may end.

It just seems funny that the closer the release gets, the more of this 
we see :)


Maybe there's a campaign going on and we weren't invited :)

Best regards,
Carl

AOO for Debian

[Rob Weir]

Note this thread on the Debian user list, with a user who prefers the
AOO 3.4 snapshots over the alternatives and is asking about having a
choice about which one to use in Debian:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/03/msg00824.html

Sure, it is only a small part of our user base, but I think they
should have choice, even on Linux.

The particulars of his reasons why he prefers AOO are interesting, but
the main message is that we need to be out the watch for some
experienced package maintainers.

-Rob

Re: [MIGRATION] Shut down on remaining Oracle web resources

[drew]

On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 21:54 +0100, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Andrew Rist  
> > wrote:
> >> On 3/12/2012 5:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Andrew Rist
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I would like to set the date for shutting down these Oracle hosted
>  resources
>  as March 15. (no Shakespeare references, please)
> 
>  This will include mailing lists, mail forwarder, remaining web pages,
>  identity server.
> 
>  What are people's thoughts on this?  (sooner is possible, I believe)
> 
> >>> Hi Andrew,
> >>>
> >>> Would it be possible to get one more blast out to the legacy
> >>> announcement list before we shut it down?
> >>
> >> Sure - I can do that.
> >>
> >>>   If so, I can craft a short
> >>> note, directing them to the new lists, etc.
> >>
> >> That would be great.
> >>
> >
> > How about something like this:
> >
> > =
> >
> > Subject:  Final Reminder on OpenOffice.org mailing list and email
> > forwarder shutdown
> >
> > Please note that the legacy mailing lists for the OpenOfficeOffice.org
> > project will be retired effective March 16h.  New mailing lists have
> > been created, at Apache, for users as well as project participants.
> >
> > If you wish to continue to receive occasional email updates from the
> > project, for new releases,etc., then please subscribe to our
> > announcement email list by sending an email to
> > ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org.  Information on other
> > mailing lists for the project can be found here:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
> >
> > Also on March 16th we will shutdown the legacy email forwarder for the
> > openoffice.org domain.  If you have and use an openoffice.org email
> > address alias, then please note the important information described on
> > the following page:
> >
> > https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/retirement_of_openoffice_org_email
> 
> Rob,
> 
>  maybe we could update that blog entry adding some info about
> Extensions/Templates accounts in the "Some special instructions for
> OpenOffice-related services" section?
> 
> Starting from tomorrow Extensions and Templates users authenticating
> at openoffice.org won't be able to access those systems. As I
> explained in another thread we need to get some info to recreate those
> accounts and allow users to change their passwords.
> 
Hi Roberto,

I just logged onto the extension site and the conversion went as
expected. 

However I'm not able to do the same with the template site, there is an
error message:
The login is currently not possible:
https://www.openoffice.org/api/login -

Is this something to be concerned with for today?

Thanks for all your work on this BTW.

//drew




> 
> > We thank you for your past interest and support of the OpenOffice.org
> > project and look forward to your continued support at Apache.
> >
> > Rob Weir, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee
> >
> > =
> >
> > If this still makes sense in the morning, we can go with that or
> > something similar.
> >
> > Do you need to send it, or would I send it and then you moderate me in?
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >> A.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
>  Andrew
> >>
> >>
> 
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Re: [MIGRATION] Shut down on remaining Oracle web resources

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2012 5:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Andrew Rist
  wrote:
>
> I would like to set the date for shutting down these Oracle hosted
> resources
> as March 15. (no Shakespeare references, please)
>
> This will include mailing lists, mail forwarder, remaining web pages,
> identity server.
>
> What are people's thoughts on this?  (sooner is possible, I believe)
>
 Hi Andrew,

 Would it be possible to get one more blast out to the legacy
 announcement list before we shut it down?
>>>
>>> Sure - I can do that.
>>>
   If so, I can craft a short
 note, directing them to the new lists, etc.
>>>
>>> That would be great.
>>>
>>
>> How about something like this:
>>
>> =
>>
>> Subject:  Final Reminder on OpenOffice.org mailing list and email
>> forwarder shutdown
>>
>> Please note that the legacy mailing lists for the OpenOfficeOffice.org
>> project will be retired effective March 16h.  New mailing lists have
>> been created, at Apache, for users as well as project participants.
>>
>> If you wish to continue to receive occasional email updates from the
>> project, for new releases,etc., then please subscribe to our
>> announcement email list by sending an email to
>> ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org.  Information on other
>> mailing lists for the project can be found here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>>
>> Also on March 16th we will shutdown the legacy email forwarder for the
>> openoffice.org domain.  If you have and use an openoffice.org email
>> address alias, then please note the important information described on
>> the following page:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/retirement_of_openoffice_org_email
>
> Rob,
>
>  maybe we could update that blog entry adding some info about
> Extensions/Templates accounts in the "Some special instructions for
> OpenOffice-related services" section?
>
> Starting from tomorrow Extensions and Templates users authenticating
> at openoffice.org won't be able to access those systems. As I
> explained in another thread we need to get some info to recreate those
> accounts and allow users to change their passwords.
>

Sure..   What do you want me to add to that post?  Are there some
specific instructions?

-Rob

> Roberto
>
>> We thank you for your past interest and support of the OpenOffice.org
>> project and look forward to your continued support at Apache.
>>
>> Rob Weir, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee
>>
>> =
>>
>> If this still makes sense in the morning, we can go with that or
>> something similar.
>>
>> Do you need to send it, or would I send it and then you moderate me in?
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>> A.


 -Rob

> Andrew
>>>
>>>
> 
> This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It 
> may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the 
> intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, 
> distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly 
> prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately 
> notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any 
> attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
>

Re: Rebuild localisation (Finnish)

[Raphael Bircher]

Am 14.03.12 21:46, schrieb Risto Jääskeläinen:
> Rob Weir [robw...@apache.org] kirjoitti:
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:13 AM,   wrote:
>> > Hello from Finland!
>> >
> ..
>>
>> Excellent !
>>
>> If you can attach your PO files to a Bugzilla issue as well, that will
>> help us get them loaded into Pootle.  Or send them to be as an email
>> attachment.
>>
> ..
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
> Hello again
>
> Now there is bug 119066 where is attachment
If you have po files to update pootle please Assignee the issue to
rbirc...@apache.org (me)

Thanks

Greetings Raphael


-- 
My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/

Re: [MIGRATION] Shut down on remaining Oracle web resources

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
>> On 3/12/2012 5:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Andrew Rist
>>>  wrote:

 I would like to set the date for shutting down these Oracle hosted
 resources
 as March 15. (no Shakespeare references, please)

 This will include mailing lists, mail forwarder, remaining web pages,
 identity server.

 What are people's thoughts on this?  (sooner is possible, I believe)

>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>> Would it be possible to get one more blast out to the legacy
>>> announcement list before we shut it down?
>>
>> Sure - I can do that.
>>
>>>   If so, I can craft a short
>>> note, directing them to the new lists, etc.
>>
>> That would be great.
>>
>
> How about something like this:
>
> =
>
> Subject:  Final Reminder on OpenOffice.org mailing list and email
> forwarder shutdown
>
> Please note that the legacy mailing lists for the OpenOfficeOffice.org
> project will be retired effective March 16h.  New mailing lists have
> been created, at Apache, for users as well as project participants.
>
> If you wish to continue to receive occasional email updates from the
> project, for new releases,etc., then please subscribe to our
> announcement email list by sending an email to
> ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org.  Information on other
> mailing lists for the project can be found here:
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>
> Also on March 16th we will shutdown the legacy email forwarder for the
> openoffice.org domain.  If you have and use an openoffice.org email
> address alias, then please note the important information described on
> the following page:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/retirement_of_openoffice_org_email

Rob,

 maybe we could update that blog entry adding some info about
Extensions/Templates accounts in the "Some special instructions for
OpenOffice-related services" section?

Starting from tomorrow Extensions and Templates users authenticating
at openoffice.org won't be able to access those systems. As I
explained in another thread we need to get some info to recreate those
accounts and allow users to change their passwords.

Roberto

> We thank you for your past interest and support of the OpenOffice.org
> project and look forward to your continued support at Apache.
>
> Rob Weir, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee
>
> =
>
> If this still makes sense in the morning, we can go with that or
> something similar.
>
> Do you need to send it, or would I send it and then you moderate me in?
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> A.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
 Andrew
>>
>>

This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may 
contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended 
recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or 
copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you 
have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by 
replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your 
system. Thank you.

Re: Rebuild localisation (Finnish)

[Risto Jääskeläinen]

Rob Weir [robw...@apache.org] kirjoitti: 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:13 AM,   wrote:
> Hello from Finland!
>

..


Excellent !

If you can attach your PO files to a Bugzilla issue as well, that will
help us get them loaded into Pootle.  Or send them to be as an email
attachment.


..

Regards,

-Rob



Hello again

Now there is bug 119066 where is attachment

Regards
Risto

Re: update service [was: Re: Apache OpenOffice Extensions Website restored at SourceForge]

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

Am 14.03.12 17:09, schrieb Kay Schenk:

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann<
orwittm...@googlemail.com>  wrote:


Hi,

On 13.03.2012 17:53, Kay Schenk wrote:


On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Roberto Galoppini**
wrote:
[snipping a lot ...]


We have already investigated how it works, and we do actually serve
updates requests answering that there are no updates. This is just as
it was configured before.

Any information about how the update protocol works would be helpful
for the future, though.

Roberto



OK, I have an odd question. Is this the same "update protocol" that is
used
to update the actual base package -- i.e. OOo -- the same "update"
capability that is currently missing from, say, the existing Linux 32-bit
build?

Roberto-- where can we get more info on what is actually being "served" in
response to update request? That is, the URL for it.

*IF* the same "update protocol" is used for everything, base package and
extensions, here is what I (we) know. Apparently, there was some
proprietary tool in place from what I gather in which entries were
(manually?) entered for "products". That tool created atom feeds at a
specified URL which the "products/extensions" would then reference for
updates.

In building, both Regina and Ariel were able to successfully test an
"update" by creating an atom feed with a single entry for their respective
platforms (windows, linux-64 with debian packaging), and I think actually
perform the update.

There is information on the "format" of the feed on the wiki:

http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/Update_**Notification_Protocol

but NOTHING about how the feed gets constructed.

I have been wanting to experiment with adding more than one entry to the
existing sample feed I ported  (usign Ariel's test) to:

http://www.openoffice.org/**ProductUpdateService/check.**Update

If someone knows enough to add more "entries" to this feed complying to
"atom" rules, that would be great. I don't know anything about how
"matches" occur in this context.




I am testing the function Menu Help - Check for Updates... regarding, if
it is working after we had back an HTTP/WebDAV client library.
It mainly works using [1]. But, I have recognized that the HTTP header
fields specified at [2] are not transfered - mea culpa.
-->  I will submit a corresponding issue for which I will request the
release blocker flag.

It looks like that the former update service used the values of the HTTP
header fields "User-Agent" and "Accept-Language" in order to provide a
proper reply.
I think "User-Agent" was used to determine, if for the requested installed
version an update exists or not. "Accept-Language" seems to be used provide
a corresponding localized reply.
These are only guesses. Feel free to correct or even support me.

After fixing the above mentioned issue I will try to analyse the code
processing the response in order to continue Regina's and Ariel's work here.
I expect that it results in proper information which enabled us to provide
a 'static' reply which will signal to all OOo 3.3 versions that AOO 3.4 is
available.

[1] 
http://www.openoffice.org/**ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
[2] http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/Update_**
Notification_Protocol


Best regards, Oliver.



Oliver--Thanks.

I too am continuing my investigation, though, since I am NOT a C++ coder,
well...not so simple.





I have already started to document my findings at [2].
I will continue tomorrow morning (German time).
For short: I think I have found everything which is needed to bring a 
"update service" back. We should discuss when I have provided all my 
findings.


Best regards (and stay tuned),
Oliver.

Re: OpenOffice Credits?

[Yuri Dario]

> The "about" box in the dev snapshots says:

press Ctrl+S+D+T, you will get the list of contributors.



-- 
Bye,

Yuri Dario

/*
 * OS/2 open source software
 * http://web.os2power.com/yuri
 * http://www.netlabs.org
*/

Re: Backup of Legacy Mercurial?

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Rob,

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 03:12:59PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> Is there a backup of the legacy Mercurial repository:
> http://hg.services.openoffice.org/
> 
> Ideally we'd have an online backup that preserves full history and all
> of the CWS's
> 
> Does this exist?


see Michael Stahl's mail: http://s.apache.org/HBJ

> 
> Having this would be very good for the large ecosystem and open source
> in general, since it documents prior art related to document editor
> software.
> 
> If it does exist, then I'd like to include a link to it on this page,
> in a "legacy code" section:
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/source.html
> 


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Pootle translation roundtrip

[Claudio Filho]

Hi

2012/3/14 Jürgen Schmidt 

> Am Mittwoch, 14. März 2012 schrieb Claudio Filho :
> > Jürgen, you wish to say "words"  or "strings"? How many *strings* (lines)
> > have the last SDF?
>
> Pootle counts 89977 words. But I have seen for example a file/section with
> 2 entries counting 5 words together. Means 2 commits for 5 words.
>

Exact. I uploaded the PO template generated from your en-US.sdf to Pootle
(in my machine) and matches with your. It says that have 89977 words, so we
have 72696 strings (with 89977 words).

This is a mistake that happen between professional and volunteers
translators. The first charges by word, and the second don't charge. :-P
Now, serious, for volunteers, generally we see how many strings need to
translate, where can be since one symbol or a phrase of 10 lines.

Well, now i see that is all ok.

Best,
Claudio

Re: Interested in helping with testing.

[Rob Weir]

Hi Tenille,

Your note got caught in the moderation queue since you were not
subscribed to the list. I let your note through.  But unless you
subscribe to the list you will not get responses unless someone
remembers to explicitly forward you a note.  So, if you want to
subscribe to the list, send an email to
ooo-dev-subscr...@incubator.apache.org.  It gets a lot of traffic --
50+ messages a day sometimes -- so you may want to define rules in
your mail client to collect list traffic into its own folder.

Do you have any more specific requirements for helping with testing?
Are you being asked to use any specific methodology or technique?  Or
just to get involved in an open source testing effort?

Are you familiar with OpenOffice already as a user?

What OS platforms do you have access to for testing?

A good start would be to sign up with our Bugzilla bug database here:

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/

-Rob

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Kevin Sisco  wrote:
> Hello and welcome aboard!  Testers are certainly always welcome; the
> more we have the better.
>
>
> On 3/14/12, Tenille Brathwaite  wrote:
>>
>> My name is Tenille Brathwaite, and my major is in software engineering.  One
>> of my assignments this semester is to assist with an open source testing
>> project and I was wondering if there are still opportunities available to
>> get involved in testing the Apache OpenOffice software, and what areas I
>> could provide assistance in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tenille Brathwaite.
>>
>>

Backup of Legacy Mercurial?

[Rob Weir]

Is there a backup of the legacy Mercurial repository:
http://hg.services.openoffice.org/

Ideally we'd have an online backup that preserves full history and all
of the CWS's

Does this exist?

Having this would be very good for the large ecosystem and open source
in general, since it documents prior art related to document editor
software.

If it does exist, then I'd like to include a link to it on this page,
in a "legacy code" section:

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/source.html

Regards,

-Rob

Re: Interested in helping with testing.

[Kevin Sisco]

Hello and welcome aboard!  Testers are certainly always welcome; the
more we have the better.


On 3/14/12, Tenille Brathwaite  wrote:
>
> My name is Tenille Brathwaite, and my major is in software engineering.  One
> of my assignments this semester is to assist with an open source testing
> project and I was wondering if there are still opportunities available to
> get involved in testing the Apache OpenOffice software, and what areas I
> could provide assistance in.
>
>
>
> Tenille Brathwaite.
>
>

Re: Let barking dogs bark

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> On 03/14/12 12:09, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>
>> +1!
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> From: Jim Jagielski
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Let barking dogs bark
>>>
>>> I would recommend that no one respond to the following:
>>>
>>>     http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/03/14/brand-confusion/
>>>
>>> It really serves no purpose to do so.
>>>
>>> I would also suggest that those who intent is to simply stir this
>>> kind of stuff up to simply shut the f*ck up, and let the coders code
>>> and the project grow.
>>>
> FWIW, somewhere there is a quote from one of my emails that
> some people seem to think is "hostile towards LO". I was actually
> recognizing the virtues of Microsoft (they are the market leaders
> for some reason, right?).
>
> Whatever people want to read from my words is not really under
> my control but hopefully someone will pick here that all I say is
> my strict personal opinion and that my opinions don't necessarily
> imply a position from either Apache or the FreeBSD foundations.
>

I once did an entire blog post where I did not mention LibreOffice at
all, by name, by allusion, or by indirect reference.  And that post
offended them most of all.  It is impossible to avoid offending
someone if they are intent on being offended.

-Rob

> Pedro.

Re: Pootle translation roundtrip

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Am Mittwoch, 14. März 2012 schrieb Claudio Filho :
> Hi
>
> 2012/3/14 Jürgen Schmidt 
>
>> Ok, it looks better now. After a further test I had no read errors of the
>> new generated template files and "de" has now 89977 words.
>>
>> German - 4053 words need attention - 89977
>>
>
> Jürgen, you wish to say "words"  or "strings"? How many *strings* (lines)
> have the last SDF?

Pootle counts 89977 words. But I have seen for example a file/section with
2 entries counting 5 words together. Means 2 commits for 5 words.

I can't say how many single translation items we have.

I will check your provided pt-BR file asap.

Juergen

>
> Claudio
>

Re: Pootle translation roundtrip

[Claudio Filho]

Hi

2012/3/14 Jürgen Schmidt 

> Ok, it looks better now. After a further test I had no read errors of the
> new generated template files and "de" has now 89977 words.
>
> German - 4053 words need attention - 89977
>

Jürgen, you wish to say "words"  or "strings"? How many *strings* (lines)
have the last SDF?

Claudio

Re: Let barking dogs bark

[Pedro Giffuni]

On 03/14/12 12:09, Joe Schaefer wrote:

+1!



- Original Message -

From: Jim Jagielski
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Let barking dogs bark

I would recommend that no one respond to the following:

 http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/03/14/brand-confusion/

It really serves no purpose to do so.

I would also suggest that those who intent is to simply stir this
kind of stuff up to simply shut the f*ck up, and let the coders code
and the project grow.


FWIW, somewhere there is a quote from one of my emails that
some people seem to think is "hostile towards LO". I was actually
recognizing the virtues of Microsoft (they are the market leaders
for some reason, right?).

Whatever people want to read from my words is not really under
my control but hopefully someone will pick here that all I say is
my strict personal opinion and that my opinions don't necessarily
imply a position from either Apache or the FreeBSD foundations.

Pedro.

Re: Let barking dogs bark

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Donald Harbison  wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
>
>> I would recommend that no one respond to the following:
>>
>> +1
>

+1, as in the Arab proverb: "The dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on".

-Rob

>>
>> http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/03/14/brand-confusion/
>>
>> It really serves no purpose to do so.
>>
>> I would also suggest that those who intent is to simply stir this
>> kind of stuff up to simply shut the f*ck up, and let the coders code
>> and the project grow.
>>

Re: Web page for NL communities ?

[Claudio Filho]

Hi

2012/3/14 Rob Weir 

> >> Then have a table listing the languages and the mailing lists. We
> >> could also have links to the website, e.g., de.openoffice.org. If
> >> there are official social media accounts used by that community (a
> >> Facebook page ot Twitter account, for example) we could link to those
> >> as well.
>


We did it here, in Brazil. Before the trademark problem with
"OpenOffice.org", we registered the oo.org.br domain and hosted in our
servers here inside a Drupal. Was an interesting experience looking that we
had news, tutorials/manuals, magazine and a lot of other projects, being
the reference point about OOo/BrOo/ODF in our country.

In other hand, agregating all in the same site, is a interesting approach,
consolidating the project as an international/multilingual project. In this
way, i think that a CMS can be the better option. IMHO, a CMS like Drupal,
connected in a robust DB like PgSQL, can give for us a infra for
communities. Looking this idea, can give us the flexibility for each NLC
make its theme and manage the content in his native(s) language(s).


> Wiki is fine also.  Personally, I prefer the Apache CMS and mdtext
> over Confluence wiki. It is easier to make a good looking page that
> has a consistent style with the rest of the site.  But as Emerson
> wrote:
>


I used many wikis and i need to agree that is necessary to see for end user
and volunteer with low profile (non-tecnical), where MediaWiki is a good
tool for this profile. We need the careful for a low curve learning, we can
target two (IMO) important goals:

* Promotion of product - to ensure growth of marketshare of product through
personal marketing ("mouth-to-mouth");

* A door "more easy" for new volunteers - to bring more users for AOO
project. When i started OOoBr/BrOo, only few people understood that the
focus is the international project, and with the time, was more easy enter
in BrOo and after arrives "more adapted" into OOo.

Well, only a experience that some people here saw in our old community.


Best,
Claudio

Re: Let barking dogs bark

[Donald Harbison]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:

> I would recommend that no one respond to the following:
>
> +1

>
> http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/03/14/brand-confusion/
>
> It really serves no purpose to do so.
>
> I would also suggest that those who intent is to simply stir this
> kind of stuff up to simply shut the f*ck up, and let the coders code
> and the project grow.
>

Re: Let barking dogs bark

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 3/14/12 6:08 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:

I would recommend that no one respond to the following:

http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/03/14/brand-confusion/

It really serves no purpose to do so.

I would also suggest that those who intent is to simply stir this
kind of stuff up to simply shut the f*ck up, and let the coders code
and the project grow.

thanks for sharing and screwing my quitting time today ;-)

Well it's again a blog that I don't like but there are so many :-(

For me it shows that some people get nervous because they see that the 
stuttering engine of AOO runs better and better. So let us oil the 
engine that it runs constantly and smooth.


Juergen

Re: Pootle translation roundtrip

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi,

On 3/14/12 10:53 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

Hi,

I would like to give a short update on the progress I have made so far.

- I was able to setup a local Pootle server for my testing purposes. So
far so good ;-)
- I created a new SDF file based on the current available resources
- Based on this en-US.sdf file I was able to create a new set of POT files
- I created another SDF file containing the current "en-US" strings +
the available "de" and "es" strings. Means the already available
localizations in our repository (as a well defined start).
- Based on this I have created new sets of PO files for "de" and "es"
and have updated my local Pootle server with these languages

The good thing is that I was able to verify the changes I have made for
the the About are reflected in the po files and need attention.

Some data:

German - 4457 words need attention - 81530
Spanish - 4028 words need attention - 81530

A little bit surprising is the reduced number of words, well we have
removed dialogs but compared to the available data on the Apache Pootle
server (89396) I think we have to check this carefully.

But I have noticed that 6 template files have problems and couldn't be
read. I haven't figured out the problem yet and I am working on this.

Further steps:

- analyze the template reading error -> any kind of tip is appreciated!!!
- I will change some German Strings and will extract the data from
pootle -> sdf and will prepare a new Germany version base don the
changes to see if the roundtrip works.

When I am sure that the round trip works I would propose the following:

- create new templates based on the latest new created sdf files
- prepare new po files for all languages based on the data we have
currently in the repository and which is used for the build at the moment.
- update the Pootle server with the new set of po/pot files

- provide the files for offline usage to translators
- translators can check if their local (if available) backups are newer
than the provided data and can merge/update the data accordingly
- finished translations are merged back into the repository

Future improvements:

will coming later but I think we have a lot room for improvements here ;-)


Any opinions, questions, feedback or comments? I am really looking
forward to improve the whole translation process with you together.



Ok, it looks better now. After a further test I had no read errors of 
the new generated template files and "de" has now 89977 words.


German - 4053 words need attention - 89977

That looks much better and the word count for a new language is the 
same. This makes me more confident. If the round trip works as well 
(have to run a further test to be sure) I will move forward to prepare a 
new initial set of po files for all available languages.


Juergen

Re: Let barking dogs bark

[Joe Schaefer]

+1!



- Original Message -
> From: Jim Jagielski 
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:08 PM
> Subject: Let barking dogs bark
> 
> I would recommend that no one respond to the following:
> 
>     http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/03/14/brand-confusion/
> 
> It really serves no purpose to do so.
> 
> I would also suggest that those who intent is to simply stir this
> kind of stuff up to simply shut the f*ck up, and let the coders code
> and the project grow.
>

Re: Files replaced by hashes, let's face it

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 12/03/12 22:47, Hagar Delest a écrit :

Hi Hagar,

> NB: not sure if LibO has inherited this problem too but I guess so
> according to a quick Google search:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org/msg19017.html

Yes, the problem has been raised also on some of the LO user lists, at
least the ones I follow, not sure whether the file was filled with
dashes though, or just trashed with irrelevant bytes of random
characters, I haven't looked at the details enough.


> 
> 
> Of course the bug is not reproducible, it happens on several OS, with
> different versions but has appeared clearly end of 2008.

And possibly even older than that, from my own recollections of lost
files, and attempts to save data in some way or another.


> 
> Please remember that this bug is very detrimental to the product
> reputation, leading to a loss of confidence in the code. Especially for
> a very basic feature. Facing say a power loss is not usual but the
> original file should not be processed until the new file is correctly
> written (or its temporary version should at least be available for
> recovery).

If I have understood correctly, this is currently being looked at within
the LO project on the developer list, using fsync (or its Windows
equivalent), but in a way that would attempt to reduce the performance
hit. There might be something of use their for the AOOo project. I don't
have a Nabble reference to hand just now to point to the particular thread.


Alex

Re: [MIGRATION] Shut down on remaining Oracle web resources

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
>
>
> On 3/13/2012 10:02 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Andrew Rist
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/12/2012 5:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Andrew Rist
  wrote:
>
> I would like to set the date for shutting down these Oracle hosted
> resources
> as March 15. (no Shakespeare references, please)
>
> This will include mailing lists, mail forwarder, remaining web pages,
> identity server.
>
> What are people's thoughts on this?  (sooner is possible, I believe)
>
 Hi Andrew,

 Would it be possible to get one more blast out to the legacy
 announcement list before we shut it down?
>>>
>>> Sure - I can do that.
>>>
   If so, I can craft a short
 note, directing them to the new lists, etc.
>>>
>>> That would be great.
>>>
>> How about something like this:
>>
>> =
>>
>> Subject:  Final Reminder on OpenOffice.org mailing list and email
>> forwarder shutdown
>>
>> Please note that the legacy mailing lists for the OpenOfficeOffice.org
>> project will be retired effective March 16h.  New mailing lists have
>> been created, at Apache, for users as well as project participants.
>>
>> If you wish to continue to receive occasional email updates from the
>> project, for new releases,etc., then please subscribe to our
>> announcement email list by sending an email to
>> ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org.  Information on other
>> mailing lists for the project can be found here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>>
>> Also on March 16th we will shutdown the legacy email forwarder for the
>> openoffice.org domain.  If you have and use an openoffice.org email
>> address alias, then please note the important information described on
>> the following page:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/retirement_of_openoffice_org_email
>>
>> We thank you for your past interest and support of the OpenOffice.org
>> project and look forward to your continued support at Apache.
>>
>> Rob Weir, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee
>>
>> =
>>
>> If this still makes sense in the morning, we can go with that or
>> something similar.
>>
>> Do you need to send it, or would I send it and then you moderate me in?
>>
>> -Rob
>
> If you send, I'll moderate through...
> A.

What's the address again? We scrubbed it well enough from the website,
I can't find it now.

-Rob

>>
>>
>>> A.


 -Rob

> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>

Re: AOO timeline of accomplishments

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> > I am working on a blog post that will feature a timeline showing what
> > we have accomplished since the project has started.  Obviously a
> > timeline is based on dates and events.  The ones have so far are here.
> >
>
> Thanks for all the feedback on the timeline and the accompanying blog
> post.  I tried to include everyone's feedback, but in some cases they
> were about future events, such as future mailing lists, etc.  I'm not
> tossing our the source files for the timeline, so we can always update
> it and use it again in the future.
>
> The mis-ordering of the legend -- I was not able to find any way of
> correcting it in the app (a Windows program called TimelineMaker) so I
> edited the bitmap directly to cut & paste to fix it.  It looks better
> now.
>
> Sohere's the blog post:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/an_apache_openoffice_timeline
>

Rob--

This is great, really! I like it!



>
> If you are on Google+ or Twitter, here are the coordinates:
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110021943609888508798/posts/edPwH6kw726
>
> http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/179603491348692992
>
> If someone has access to the OpenOffice Facebook page it would be good
> to get it out there as well.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Rob
>
> > Any errors that pop out?
> >
> > Any additional accomplishments I should highlight in the timeline?
> >
> > Some times I am missing dates for include:
> >
> > date Japanese list started
> > date Italian list started
> >
> > (has German list started?)
> >
> > dates for milestones with the freeBSD and OS/2 ports
> >
> > Probably missing some buildbots
> >
> > Missing date for "copyleft" free milestone?
> >
> > Any others?
> >
> > It looks really cool seeing this plotted graphically.   We've
> > accomplished quite a lot.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > Enter IncubationJun 13 2011
> > Confluence Wiki Jun 19 2011
> > Bugzilla migrated   Aug 03 2011
> > Source code checked in  Aug 29 2011
> > Blog createdSep 09 2011
> > Download archives secured   Oct 24 2011
> > Marketing list created  Oct 26 2011
> > Community Forums migrated   Oct 30 2011
> > Wiki migrated   Oct 30 2011
> > Linux 64-bit Buildbot   Nov 25 2011
> > Pootle  Dec 11 2011
> > Website moved to Apache Dec 26 2011
> > First dev snapshot buildJan 16 2012
> > All initial committers processedJan 18 2012
> > Windows BuildbotFeb 08 2012
> > Extensions site migratedFeb 26 2012
>



-- 

MzK

"Follow your bliss."
 -- attributed to Joseph Campbell

Re: Web page for NL communities ?

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> We currently have a web page that lists all of our mailing lists:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>>
>> However, the native language lists that we're creating recently are
>> not there.  And I think adding them to that page would not be the best
>> approach.  I wonder if it would be better to highlight these
>> communities on their own page.
>>
>> So something like this:
>>
>> On our podling page here:  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>>
>> Add new page under Community called "Native Language Communities" or
>> maybe something a little shorter.
>>
>
> This sounds like a lovely  idea!
>
>
>>
>> On that page, explain a little what these groups are and are not.
>> They are not separate Apache projects, but are "interest groups" or
>> "language sections" within the AOO project, concentrating on native
>> language support, localization, marketing efforts, etc.
>>
>> Then have a table listing the languages and the mailing lists. We
>> could also have links to the website, e.g., de.openoffice.org. If
>> there are official social media accounts used by that community (a
>> Facebook page ot Twitter account, for example) we could link to those
>> as well.
>>
>
> It might be easiest, considering the state we're in with the NL mailing
> lists right now, to document these on a wiki page, and just link to THAT
> from the  new NL info page you suggest.
>

Wiki is fine also.  Personally, I prefer the Apache CMS and mdtext
over Confluence wiki. It is easier to make a good looking page that
has a consistent style with the rest of the site.  But as Emerson
wrote:

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a
great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself
with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think today in hard words,
and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it
contradict every thing you said today."

So inconsistency is fine with me as well.

> I've seen messages/setups go by for the new mailing lists, but honestly, I
> have not been paying close attention.
>

I think we have current or requested lists for Japanese, German,
Italian, Spanish, Brazilian Portuguese and French.

> If someone could create this new wiki page, I would happy to create the
> front-end for it (and figure out how to modify the project menu).
>
> Thoughts?
>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
>
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Follow your bliss."
>         -- attributed to Joseph Campbell

Re: [BUILD]: propose next developer snapshot based on revision 1299571

[Kay Schenk]

2012/3/13 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 3/12/12 11:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Andrew Rist**
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 3/12/2012 9:14 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>
>>>  2012/3/12 Jürgen 
>>> Schmidthttp://googlemail.com>
 >


>
  Hi,

>
> I would like to propose that we prepare the next set of dev snapshots
> based on the revision r1299571 (same as last changed revision). It is
> not
> the latest working buildbot revision but I would like to include an
> increased buildid.
>
>  Hi Juergen--
>

 Could someone at some point enlighten us as to WHY the latest revisions
 aren't automatically scooped up by the buildbot?

  The build bots pull the latest code every night.
>>>
>>>  Or amybe a wiki page on
>>>
 this??? I also notice that the Linux-32 build via buildbot still has
 issues, and wonder, why, if changes have been successfully made to this
 build AND supposedly it's being built by Ubuntu (same as the developer
 builds), it still has issues.

  The Linux-32 build bot is on Ubuntu 11.10 (as opposed to 10.04).  There
>>> are issues related to building on the newer Ubuntu.
>>> We've been working through them, but there is one issue left with symbols
>>> in CoinMP.  I have not had time to work through that issue.
>>>
>>>
>> Andrew--Thanks for the clarification. I was confused by the wording in
>> Juergen's message somehow...I thought what you are saying was the case.
>>
>>
>>  sorry for the confusion.
>
> I think our long term goal is to use the build bots to build binary
> versions that are identical to our binary releases as well.
>
> And as Ariel has pointed out for this specific builds we need some
> baseline systems that are not typically the latest and greatest ;-)
>

So what do you suggest? Can "virtual" builbots be established for "older"
OSes, and for which ones? I don't know what is causing the problem with
Ubuntu 11.10 as opposed to 10.04. Is it a very non-standard (library)
change by Ubuntu that might continue in the future? Should we switch to a
more "generic" Linux buildbot? I don't have any suggestions. I'm just
thinking...




> The Oracle release engineers put a lot of effort in keeping a stable
> baseline to ensure that the builds work on as many as possible systems. You
> can't it compare to build versions for a special distro.
>
> And of course it would be ideal if the Linux distros would include AOO
> over time in their distro and would build it based on the source releases.
>
> Juergen
>
>
>>> (I am wondering if CoinMP is deployed on the system - outside of the
>>> build
>>> tree - when it is compiled.  If so a version using a different set of g++
>>> and ld may be on the system, and blocking it from being rebuilt.)
>>>
>>> Anyway - it is down to the last four packages, and 'almost' builds ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I confess I know NOTHING about the buildbot,
>>>
 so if you can point me (and others) to some instructions that might be
 helpful.

  
 http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/buildlogs/**linux32/**
>>> log/unxlngi6.pro.build.html>> openoffice/buildlogs/linux32/**log/unxlngi6.pro.build.html
>>> >
>>>
>>> that shows the latest set of logs
>>>
>>> http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux32-nightly
>>> http://ci.apache.org/builders/openoffice-linux32-nightly>
>>> >
>>>
>>> shows the latest builds - click on a build and you can see the set of
>>> steps it goes through.
>>>
>>>
>> Right, yes...I've looked at these. I need to learn more about the setup
>> (inclusions etc) we have setup FOR the build as there appears to be
>> several
>> options. But I will explore on my own for the time being. Thanks again for
>> this response. I would like to help with building but haven't had  the
>> time
>> to it so far.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>>
 Thanks for everything! :)



  It is still no a official RC because of the existing show stopper
 issues.

> I hope that we can start a second build later this week if possible.
>
> I would like to propose also that we continue to provide
> normal/complete
> install sets for all languages.
>
> The dev snapshot from last week was proposed to the IPMC with zero
> response so far. Not really promising and maybe somebody else has an
> idea
> what we can do to get some early feedback.
>
> The builds will be made available again under
> https://cwiki.apache.org/**
> confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**AOO+3.4+Unofficial+**Developer+***
> *Snapshots
> OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Unofficial+Developer+Snapshots>>

Re: [MIGRATION] Shut down on remaining Oracle web resources

[Andrew Rist]

On 3/13/2012 10:02 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Andrew Rist  wrote:

On 3/12/2012 5:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Andrew Rist
  wrote:

I would like to set the date for shutting down these Oracle hosted
resources
as March 15. (no Shakespeare references, please)

This will include mailing lists, mail forwarder, remaining web pages,
identity server.

What are people's thoughts on this?  (sooner is possible, I believe)


Hi Andrew,

Would it be possible to get one more blast out to the legacy
announcement list before we shut it down?

Sure - I can do that.


   If so, I can craft a short
note, directing them to the new lists, etc.

That would be great.


How about something like this:

=

Subject:  Final Reminder on OpenOffice.org mailing list and email
forwarder shutdown

Please note that the legacy mailing lists for the OpenOfficeOffice.org
project will be retired effective March 16h.  New mailing lists have
been created, at Apache, for users as well as project participants.

If you wish to continue to receive occasional email updates from the
project, for new releases,etc., then please subscribe to our
announcement email list by sending an email to
ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org.  Information on other
mailing lists for the project can be found here:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html

Also on March 16th we will shutdown the legacy email forwarder for the
openoffice.org domain.  If you have and use an openoffice.org email
address alias, then please note the important information described on
the following page:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/retirement_of_openoffice_org_email

We thank you for your past interest and support of the OpenOffice.org
project and look forward to your continued support at Apache.

Rob Weir, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee

=

If this still makes sense in the morning, we can go with that or
something similar.

Do you need to send it, or would I send it and then you moderate me in?

-Rob

If you send, I'll moderate through...
A.



A.


-Rob


Andrew

Re: Web page for NL communities ?

[Raphael Bircher]

Am 14.03.12 17:03, schrieb Kay Schenk:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> We currently have a web page that lists all of our mailing lists:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>>
>> However, the native language lists that we're creating recently are
>> not there.  And I think adding them to that page would not be the best
>> approach.  I wonder if it would be better to highlight these
>> communities on their own page.
>>
>> So something like this:
>>
>> On our podling page here:  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>>
>> Add new page under Community called "Native Language Communities" or
>> maybe something a little shorter.
>>
> This sounds like a lovely  idea!
>
>
>> On that page, explain a little what these groups are and are not.
>> They are not separate Apache projects, but are "interest groups" or
>> "language sections" within the AOO project, concentrating on native
>> language support, localization, marketing efforts, etc.
>>
>> Then have a table listing the languages and the mailing lists. We
>> could also have links to the website, e.g., de.openoffice.org. If
>> there are official social media accounts used by that community (a
>> Facebook page ot Twitter account, for example) we could link to those
>> as well.
>>
> It might be easiest, considering the state we're in with the NL mailing
> lists right now, to document these on a wiki page, and just link to THAT
> from the  new NL info page you suggest.
But this page is compleetly outdate. If we will link to this page, we
have to update this page first.

Greetings Raphael

-- 
My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/

Re: update service [was: Re: Apache OpenOffice Extensions Website restored at SourceForge]

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <
orwittm...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 13.03.2012 17:53, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Roberto Galoppini**
>> wrote:
>> [snipping a lot ...]
>>
>>> We have already investigated how it works, and we do actually serve
>>> updates requests answering that there are no updates. This is just as
>>> it was configured before.
>>>
>>> Any information about how the update protocol works would be helpful
>>> for the future, though.
>>>
>>> Roberto
>>>
>>>
>> OK, I have an odd question. Is this the same "update protocol" that is
>> used
>> to update the actual base package -- i.e. OOo -- the same "update"
>> capability that is currently missing from, say, the existing Linux 32-bit
>> build?
>>
>> Roberto-- where can we get more info on what is actually being "served" in
>> response to update request? That is, the URL for it.
>>
>> *IF* the same "update protocol" is used for everything, base package and
>> extensions, here is what I (we) know. Apparently, there was some
>> proprietary tool in place from what I gather in which entries were
>> (manually?) entered for "products". That tool created atom feeds at a
>> specified URL which the "products/extensions" would then reference for
>> updates.
>>
>> In building, both Regina and Ariel were able to successfully test an
>> "update" by creating an atom feed with a single entry for their respective
>> platforms (windows, linux-64 with debian packaging), and I think actually
>> perform the update.
>>
>> There is information on the "format" of the feed on the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/Update_**Notification_Protocol
>>
>> but NOTHING about how the feed gets constructed.
>>
>> I have been wanting to experiment with adding more than one entry to the
>> existing sample feed I ported  (usign Ariel's test) to:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/**ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
>>
>> If someone knows enough to add more "entries" to this feed complying to
>> "atom" rules, that would be great. I don't know anything about how
>> "matches" occur in this context.
>>
>>
>>
> I am testing the function Menu Help - Check for Updates... regarding, if
> it is working after we had back an HTTP/WebDAV client library.
> It mainly works using [1]. But, I have recognized that the HTTP header
> fields specified at [2] are not transfered - mea culpa.
> --> I will submit a corresponding issue for which I will request the
> release blocker flag.
>
> It looks like that the former update service used the values of the HTTP
> header fields "User-Agent" and "Accept-Language" in order to provide a
> proper reply.
> I think "User-Agent" was used to determine, if for the requested installed
> version an update exists or not. "Accept-Language" seems to be used provide
> a corresponding localized reply.
> These are only guesses. Feel free to correct or even support me.
>
> After fixing the above mentioned issue I will try to analyse the code
> processing the response in order to continue Regina's and Ariel's work here.
> I expect that it results in proper information which enabled us to provide
> a 'static' reply which will signal to all OOo 3.3 versions that AOO 3.4 is
> available.
>
> [1] 
> http://www.openoffice.org/**ProductUpdateService/check.**Update
> [2] http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/Update_**
> Notification_Protocol
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.
>

Oliver--Thanks.

I too am continuing my investigation, though, since I am NOT a C++ coder,
well...not so simple.



-- 

MzK

"Follow your bliss."
 -- attributed to Joseph Campbell

Re: Web page for NL communities ?

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> We currently have a web page that lists all of our mailing lists:
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>
> However, the native language lists that we're creating recently are
> not there.  And I think adding them to that page would not be the best
> approach.  I wonder if it would be better to highlight these
> communities on their own page.
>
> So something like this:
>
> On our podling page here:  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>
> Add new page under Community called "Native Language Communities" or
> maybe something a little shorter.
>

This sounds like a lovely  idea!


>
> On that page, explain a little what these groups are and are not.
> They are not separate Apache projects, but are "interest groups" or
> "language sections" within the AOO project, concentrating on native
> language support, localization, marketing efforts, etc.
>
> Then have a table listing the languages and the mailing lists. We
> could also have links to the website, e.g., de.openoffice.org. If
> there are official social media accounts used by that community (a
> Facebook page ot Twitter account, for example) we could link to those
> as well.
>

It might be easiest, considering the state we're in with the NL mailing
lists right now, to document these on a wiki page, and just link to THAT
from the  new NL info page you suggest.

I've seen messages/setups go by for the new mailing lists, but honestly, I
have not been paying close attention.

If someone could create this new wiki page, I would happy to create the
front-end for it (and figure out how to modify the project menu).

Thoughts?

>
>
>
> -Rob
>



-- 

MzK

"Follow your bliss."
 -- attributed to Joseph Campbell

Re: Transliteration Font Support of Apache OpenOffice 3.4 and beyond...

[Pedro Giffuni]

On 03/14/12 00:29, Rob Weir wrote:



It would be great if the community would focus
some effort on academic publishing requirements such as
this. There are other aspects to this space that we can
attend to which could create some exciting value for
scholars who have crappy tools today. For example,
integration of the R statistics package http://www.r-project.org/
... just a thought. We may have some licensing challenges
but if we think about how valuable this could be...well.
there must be a solution, right?


Yes, this has been proposed in a bugzilla issue
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=66589


It is an interesting idea. Some programs, like the Gnumeric project,
have added a considerable amount of more advanced statistical support
directly into their spreadsheet, more than OpenOffice, more than
Microsoft Office, more even than LibreOffice.   But they obviously
still have only a fraction of what is in R. You can never beat R.


Well, R is a language for statistics with it's own graphical tools
etc. This was the approach used by major statistic packages
a decade ago but it seems like all of them have been moving to
a more spreadsheet oriented approach in recent years.


But doing fine grained interchange with R, within a spreadsheet
calculation cycle, is probably a killer for performance.  But there
are some things you can do that do perform well.  For example,
ODFWeave gives a way to treat an OpenOffice document (or any ODF
document) as a template that this then filled out based on R's
calculations and charting.  I could see it being useful for automating
laboratory reports, for example.

http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/odfWeave/index.html


I would like to see some day a package adds full math capabilities
to writer.. something like MathCAD. I doubt this project will head
that way but it would be a great tool to see in relation to TeX.

Also, I wonder if there is anything more we can integrate from the
COIN project?  That was Eclipse license, right?  They had non-linear
constraint solving, etc.   Quadratic programming would be another good
one.

You should now better about the COIN license ;). The code was
originally from IBM. When it started it was strong thanks to the
Open Solver Interface that supports the top of the line
commercial solvers in the market.
CoinMP was a simple solution for the immediate problem but
we are not using the full advantages of the OSI interface.

For practical purposes though, the current CoinMP is more
than sufficient for the requirements of a basic OR course and
I suspect it will stay like that for the foreseeable future.

I see COIN-OR is starting to build some code around python
and I guess that's something we should examine in the future
since we are already carrying python.



But still, it is a trade-off.  The more capability we bring to Calc,
the bigger it becomes.  We need a way to grow without growing.
Modular extensions, not just at the UI level, but at the computational
level.


There is a OOo extension for non-linear programming (partially
owned by Oracle) that was brought into LibreOffice. I personally
think bringing in such functionality that few people use is a
bad idea and just make the basic office suite bloated and
eventually unmanageable.
There are some really powerful libraries out there (fftw, taucs,
mumps ... ) that can be useful to make extensions but most
of them add the requirement of fortran to the build system.

Such tools can/should live as extensions.


Another thing I hear from academics is the desire to have much
improved bibliographic support in Writer.


I would personally favor some VBA macros in the
lines of software like Minitab.


I'm not sure I understand.  VBA macros in AOO that can call an
automation interface in Minitab?

No, Minitab was really innovative in offering a powerful
statistical environment with a spreadsheet interface at
a very competitive price (they raised the prices a lot
afterwards).

I guess I would mean the gnumeric approach. Keep it simple,
use existing tools.

Cheers,

Pedro.

Re: openoffice.fm

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
> Am 14.03.12 15:53, schrieb Donald Whytock:
>> There's a site offering, supposedly, a version of OpenOffice called
>> OpenOffice.fm:
>>
>> http://download.openoffice.fm/free/
>>
>> No mention of Oracle or Apache in the licensing, though it does have a
>> news blurb about OpenOffice joining Apache.
>>
>> FAQ and forum links point to openoffice.org. Links to the source for
>> versions 3.3 and 3.2.1 point to openmirror.org; www.openmirror.org
>> gives a webserver default page.
>>
>> Some of the fine print says the installer will present opt-ins for
>> other software.  I guess that's their business model.
>>
>> Haven't tried to download the source or binary.
> What comfuse me is, that the installer is only 33 MB. So they have not
> the original package for sure.  But the site as is looks not as a bad
> idea like download trap. I think we should contact them, and ask them
> gently what they exactly want.
>

If you look at the digital signature for that file it is really
"DownloadAdmin".  It is from Tightrope Interactive.   That name might
ring a bell.  That was the company that tried (and failed) to register
OpenOffice as a trademark in the US three days after Oracle said it
was contributing OpenOffice to Apache.  Tightrope was also the owner
of the the OpenOffice.com website that was distributing similar
ad-ware versions of OpenOffice.org.

It looks like they've done similar things with other open source
projects and have been to court at least once over their practices:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/45478724/Geeknet-v-Tightrope-Answer-and-Counterclaims

I'm not sure a "gentle reminder" will accomplish much here,considering
they are notorious for this kind of thing.  But I suppose that is the
Apache Way.  let's blow then kisses ;-)

-Rob

> Greetings Raphael

Re: openoffice.fm

[Raphael Bircher]

Am 14.03.12 15:53, schrieb Donald Whytock:
> There's a site offering, supposedly, a version of OpenOffice called
> OpenOffice.fm:
>
> http://download.openoffice.fm/free/
>
> No mention of Oracle or Apache in the licensing, though it does have a
> news blurb about OpenOffice joining Apache.
>
> FAQ and forum links point to openoffice.org. Links to the source for
> versions 3.3 and 3.2.1 point to openmirror.org; www.openmirror.org
> gives a webserver default page.
>
> Some of the fine print says the installer will present opt-ins for
> other software.  I guess that's their business model.
>
> Haven't tried to download the source or binary.
What comfuse me is, that the installer is only 33 MB. So they have not
the original package for sure.  But the site as is looks not as a bad
idea like download trap. I think we should contact them, and ask them
gently what they exactly want.

Greetings Raphael

Re: openoffice.fm

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Donald Whytock  wrote:
> There's a site offering, supposedly, a version of OpenOffice called
> OpenOffice.fm:
>
> http://download.openoffice.fm/free/
>
> No mention of Oracle or Apache in the licensing, though it does have a
> news blurb about OpenOffice joining Apache.
>
> FAQ and forum links point to openoffice.org. Links to the source for
> versions 3.3 and 3.2.1 point to openmirror.org; www.openmirror.org
> gives a webserver default page.
>
> Some of the fine print says the installer will present opt-ins for
> other software.  I guess that's their business model.
>

Looks like they are bundling in known adware apps like PartyPoker,
PriceGong, uPlayer, etc.


> Haven't tried to download the source or binary.
>

Their link that says "Install the OpenOffice suite and get the #1
alternative to MS Office" downloads a 33 MB openoffice-suite.exe. This
is not a real distribution of OpenOffice.org.  It sounds like it is a
"download admin" that will offer the other apps and then download OOo.

So a few issues here:

1) Their website and the file name suggest that the user is
downloading "OpenOffice"

2) Domain name "openoffice.fm"

Both are likely confusing to the consumer and falsely imply the
identity and source of their goods.

BTW, I created a place in Bugzilla to track things like this:

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/enter_bug.cgi?product=trademark

Once we get 3.4 out maybe we can do an official registration of
"Apache OpenOffice" as a trademark.  That will give us some more clout
with issues like this.  Until then, I suppose we should take it as a
compliment that they are claiming to be us, and not some other open
source office suite ;-)

-Rob

> Don

openoffice.fm

[Donald Whytock]

There's a site offering, supposedly, a version of OpenOffice called
OpenOffice.fm:

http://download.openoffice.fm/free/

No mention of Oracle or Apache in the licensing, though it does have a
news blurb about OpenOffice joining Apache.

FAQ and forum links point to openoffice.org. Links to the source for
versions 3.3 and 3.2.1 point to openmirror.org; www.openmirror.org
gives a webserver default page.

Some of the fine print says the installer will present opt-ins for
other software.  I guess that's their business model.

Haven't tried to download the source or binary.

Don

Web page for NL communities ?

[Rob Weir]

We currently have a web page that lists all of our mailing lists:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html

However, the native language lists that we're creating recently are
not there.  And I think adding them to that page would not be the best
approach.  I wonder if it would be better to highlight these
communities on their own page.

So something like this:

On our podling page here:  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

Add new page under Community called "Native Language Communities" or
maybe something a little shorter.

On that page, explain a little what these groups are and are not.
They are not separate Apache projects, but are "interest groups" or
"language sections" within the AOO project, concentrating on native
language support, localization, marketing efforts, etc.

Then have a table listing the languages and the mailing lists. We
could also have links to the website, e.g., de.openoffice.org. If
there are official social media accounts used by that community (a
Facebook page ot Twitter account, for example) we could link to those
as well.



-Rob

Re: [MIGRATION] Shut down on remaining Oracle web resources

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:55 AM, eric b  wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> Le 14 mars 12 à 06:02, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Andrew Rist 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/12/2012 5:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:


 On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Andrew Rist
  wrote:
>
>
> I would like to set the date for shutting down these Oracle hosted
> resources
> as March 15. (no Shakespeare references, please)
>
> This will include mailing lists, mail forwarder, remaining web pages,
> identity server.
>
> What are people's thoughts on this?  (sooner is possible, I believe)
>
 Hi Andrew,

 Would it be possible to get one more blast out to the legacy
 announcement list before we shut it down?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure - I can do that.
>>>
  If so, I can craft a short
 note, directing them to the new lists, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> That would be great.
>>>
>>
>> How about something like this:
>>
>> =
>>
>> Subject:  Final Reminder on OpenOffice.org mailing list and email
>> forwarder shutdown
>>
>> Please note that the legacy mailing lists for the OpenOfficeOffice.org
>> project will be retired effective March 16h.  New mailing lists have
>> been created, at Apache, for users as well as project participants.
>>
>> If you wish to continue to receive occasional email updates from the
>> project, for new releases,etc., then please subscribe to our
>> announcement email list by sending an email to
>> ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org.  Information on other
>> mailing lists for the project can be found here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>>
>> Also on March 16th we will shutdown the legacy email forwarder for the
>> openoffice.org domain.  If you have and use an openoffice.org email
>> address alias, then please note the important information described on
>> the following page:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/retirement_of_openoffice_org_email
>>
>> We thank you for your past interest and support of the OpenOffice.org
>> project and look forward to your continued support at Apache.
>>
>> Rob Weir, on behalf of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee
>>
>> =
>>
>> If this still makes sense in the morning, we can go with that or
>> something similar.
>>
>
>
> Is it ok to post the information on the french lists ? If so, I'll take the
> time to translate it this afternoon.
>

Sure.  You don't need my permission ;-)

> Any help and / or volunteer is welcome :-)
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> --
> qɔᴉɹə
> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Query re possible Release blocker

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:53:11 +
> Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:36:44 -0400
>> Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Ross Gardler
>> >  wrote:
>> > > I've not experienced this in about a month of reasonably
>> > > heavy usage. Is there a sure-fire way to trigger the
>> > > failure? I'd be happy to try it.
>> > >
>> >
>> > It looks like Lily is testing with Windows 7 as well.
>> >
>> > I wonder whether the fact that the upgrade server is down
>> > could be currently masking the issue?
>>
>> It regularly failed when the old OOo Upgrade server refused to
>> make a connection, which may have been a factor.
>
> I need to stress that the problem only arose after Win7 SP1 was
> installed; the presence of IE9 on Win7 is sufficient to cause the
> problem.
>

I'm just trying to find a plausible cause that fits the observed facts:

1) Bug reported before with Windows 7 SP1 and IE9

2) Bug goes away when you disable OOo's automatic updates

2) But bug is not observed in current testing, not in Lily's testing
with Windows 7, or with Ross's use.

3) Update server was once working, but is not working now

So two plausible theories that are worth testing:

A) Bug actually exists in AOO today, but no one is testing with SP1
and IE 9 installed

B) Bug actually exists in AOO today, but is masked by the
non-availability of the update service

We can never prove the absence of a bug, but it is probably worth
testing to make sure that neither A nor B lead to a reproducible bug.

-Rob

> --
> Rory O'Farrell 

Re: [TRANSLATE] translation update for UI in pt-BR

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi Claudio,

On 3/14/12 4:14 AM, Claudio Filho wrote:

Hi

I finished a initial revision of translation for pt-BR of UI. I filled this
issue[1].
[1]https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119061

But i have some questions about the occurrences of "Oracle" in many
strings, related below. Some sugestion for this?

they have to be fixed for the next release I would say. There is 
probably more stuff that have to be updated.


Important is that we have updated the most visible occurrences. But of 
course there might be strings that are not visible any more, e.g the 
crash reporter, but not 100% removed. I assume that a defensive approach 
was used often to remove stuff ;-)


Juergen



Bests,
Claudio

File: crashrep.ulf#_ALLOW_CONTACT_.LngText.text
String: ~I allow Oracle to contact me regarding this report.

File: basic.src#IDD_TT_ABOUT_DIALOG.4.fixedtext.text
String: ©1995-2010 Oracle

File:
docrecovery.src#RID_SVXPAGE_ERR_REP_SEND.CB_ERRSEND_CONTACT.checkbox.text
String: ~I allow Oracle to contact me regarding this report.

File:
docrecovery.src#RID_SVXPAGE_ERR_REP_WELCOME.FT_RECOV_DESCR.fixedtext.text
String:
This error report tool gathers information about how %PRODUCTNAME is working
and sends it to Oracle to help improve future versions.\n
\n
It's easy - just send the report without any further effort on your part by
clicking 'Send' in the next dialog, or you can briefly describe how the
error occurred and then click 'Send'. If you want to see the report, click
the 'Show Report' button. No data will be sent if you click 'Do Not Send'.\n
\n
Customer Privacy\n
The information gathered is limited to data concerning the state of %
PRODUCTNAME %PRODUCTVERSION when the error occurred. Other information
about
passwords or document contents is not collected.\n
\n
The information will only be used to improve the quality of %PRODUCTNAME
and
will not be shared with third parties.\n
For more information on Oracle's privacy policy, visit\n
www.oracle.com/html/services-privacy-policy.html

Re: [MIGRATION] Shut down on remaining Oracle web resources

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi Eric,

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:55:49AM +0100, eric b wrote:
> 
> Is it ok to post the information on the french lists ? If so, I'll
> take the time to translate it this afternoon.

you won't be able to do so, lists are dead: just try sending a mail to
users-h...@fr.openoffice.org or any other *@fr.openoffice.org list, same
as with *@es.openoffice.org 


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Query re possible Release blocker

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:53:11 +
Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:36:44 -0400
> Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Ross Gardler
> >  wrote:
> > > I've not experienced this in about a month of reasonably
> > > heavy usage. Is there a sure-fire way to trigger the
> > > failure? I'd be happy to try it.
> > >
> > 
> > It looks like Lily is testing with Windows 7 as well.
> > 
> > I wonder whether the fact that the upgrade server is down
> > could be currently masking the issue?
> 
> It regularly failed when the old OOo Upgrade server refused to
> make a connection, which may have been a factor.

I need to stress that the problem only arose after Win7 SP1 was
installed; the presence of IE9 on Win7 is sufficient to cause the
problem.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Query re possible Release blocker

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:36:44 -0400
Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Ross Gardler
>  wrote:
> > I've not experienced this in about a month of reasonably
> > heavy usage. Is there a sure-fire way to trigger the failure?
> > I'd be happy to try it.
> >
> 
> It looks like Lily is testing with Windows 7 as well.
> 
> I wonder whether the fact that the upgrade server is down could
> be currently masking the issue?

It regularly failed when the old OOo Upgrade server refused to
make a connection, which may have been a factor.


-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Query re possible Release blocker

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Ross Gardler
 wrote:
> I've not experienced this in about a month of reasonably heavy usage. Is
> there a sure-fire way to trigger the failure? I'd be happy to try it.
>

It looks like Lily is testing with Windows 7 as well.

I wonder whether the fact that the upgrade server is down could be
currently masking the issue?

-Rob

> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On Mar 14, 2012 8:41 AM, "Rory O'Farrell"  wrote:
>
>> OOo 3.3 regularly failed on Windows 7 after Internet Explorer 9
>> had been installed (by Win7 SP1?).  The fix was to either
>> uninstall IE9 (IE8 reinstalls) or to disable OOo's automatic
>> checking for updates.  I have no access to a Windows 7
>> installation to check against, but if this problem carries
>> forward to AOO 3.4 it will be a serious and very obvious
>> problem.  I ask if anyone has checked if either or both of
>> these fixes are necessary on AOO 3.4.
>>
>> --
>> Rory O'Farrell 
>>

Re: I'd love your opinion on a question of FAQ style

[Rob Weir]

Thanks, everyone, for the quite and useful feedback.  I wouldn't say
there was a conclusive preference for either model, so that suggests
we keep on iterating.  I did, however, note a pattern of comments
related to verbosity, so I took another pass over the draft FAQs and
tried to tighten them up a bit.  Vigorous writing is concise, etc.

You can see the latest draft here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Brainstorming+on+FAQs+--+draft

Regards,

-Rob


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:21 AM,   wrote:
> Rob Weir [robw...@apache.org] kirjoitti:
>>
>> This question came up on the other thread.  I'd be interested in
>>
>> knowing which style of FAQ you prefer:
>>
>> Example A:
>>
>> "Who is building Apache OpenOffice releases?
>>
>>  * In common with other Apache projects, work on Apache OpenOffice is
>> performed by individual volunteers.
>>  * Development is done a number of the original developers of
>> OpenOffice.org in addition to community volunteers and developers from
>> other projects derived from the OpenOffice codebase including IBM
>> Symphony."
>>
>> or Example B:
>>
>> "Who is developing Apache OpenOffice?
>>
>> Like any other Apache project, work on Apache OpenOffice is performed
>> by a diverse group of volunteers, from over a dozen countries.  We
>> have participants who are brand new to the project as of last week.
>> We also have many old hands, who have been involved with OpenOffice
>> for a decade or more.  These volunteers work on coding, testing,
>> documentation, websites, translations, marketing as well as other
>> functions.  Some of our volunteers are listed here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html.    If you are
>> interested in helping develop the next great version of Apache
>> OpenOffice please take a look at our Getting Involved page
>> (http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html)."
>>
>>
>> Another set:
>>
>> Example A:
>>
>> "Where can I get updates to the copy of OpenOffice.org that I am running?
>>
>>   *  There have been no updates to OpenOffice.org binaries released
>> for users since Oracle stopped development and there will be no
>> patches to those earlier binary programs released.
>>    * The project is currently preparing a new version of the code and
>> it will be available through the openoffice.org website.
>>    * Once Apache OpenOffice v3.4 is released, the project recommends
>> you replace your OpenOffice.org installation with it.
>>    * Again, there are developer versions available for testing purposes."
>>
>>
>> and
>>
>> Example B:
>>
>> "Where can I get updates to the copy of OpenOffice.org that I am running?
>>
>>  * The latest release of OpenOffice.org is 3.3.  If you have that then
>> you have the latest.  If you would like to extend the capabilities of
>> your OpenOffice 3.3 you might take a look at the many compatible
>> extensions (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/) and templates
>> (http://templates.services.openoffice.org/)  that are available.
>> *   We are currently preparing a new release, Apache OpenOffice 3.4.
>> When available, you can download it from the http://www.openoffice.org
>> website.  If you want to be on a notification list for when Apache
>> OpenOffice 3.4 is available for download, you can send an email to
>> ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org."
>>
>> These two approaches, A and B, differ in tone, formality and
>> information level.   Which do you think would be most useful to users
>> seeking answers to their questions?
>>
>> -Rob
>>
> Hello!
> Personally I don't like long story but bullet list with links if needed.
>  But A ja B are mixed for that.
>
> Regards
> Risto

Re: Apache list archive issues must be fixed soon

[Kazunari Hirano]

Hi Apache infrastructure team,

Any news on this?

Thanks,
khirano

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Kazunari Hirano  wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Shahaf  
> wrote:
>> The upgrade was attempted, reverted due to causing
>> silent breakage, and is on the queue for being re-attempted.
>
> This is a good news!  Thanks.
> khirano
> --
> khir...@apache.org
> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/



-- 
khir...@apache.org
Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

Re: Pootle translation roundtrip

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi,

I would like to give a short update on the progress I have made so far.

- I was able to setup a local Pootle server for my testing purposes. So 
far so good ;-)

- I created a new SDF file based on the current available resources
- Based on this en-US.sdf file I was able to create a new set of POT files
- I created another SDF file containing the current "en-US" strings + 
the available "de" and "es" strings. Means the already available 
localizations in our repository (as a well defined start).
- Based on this I have created new sets of PO files for "de" and "es" 
and have updated my local Pootle server with these languages


The good thing is that I was able to verify the changes I have made for 
the the About are reflected in the po files and need attention.


Some data:

German - 4457 words need attention - 81530  
Spanish - 4028 words need attention - 81530

A little bit surprising is the reduced number of words, well we have 
removed dialogs but compared to the available data on the Apache Pootle 
server (89396) I think we have to check this carefully.


But I have noticed that 6 template files have problems and couldn't be 
read. I haven't figured out the problem yet and I am working on this.


Further steps:

- analyze the template reading error -> any kind of tip is appreciated!!!
- I will change some German Strings and will extract the data from 
pootle -> sdf and will prepare a new Germany version base don the 
changes to see if the roundtrip works.


When I am sure that the round trip works I would propose the following:

- create new templates based on the latest new created sdf files
- prepare new po files for all languages based on the data we have 
currently in the repository and which is used for the build at the moment.

- update the Pootle server with the new set of po/pot files

- provide the files for offline usage to translators
- translators can check if their local (if available) backups are newer 
than the provided data and can merge/update the data accordingly

- finished translations are merged back into the repository

Future improvements:

will coming later but I think we have a lot room for improvements here ;-)


Any opinions, questions, feedback or comments? I am really looking 
forward to improve the whole translation process with you together.


Juergen

PS: who has some more grey hairs now ;-)


On 3/11/12 10:01 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

Hi,

I would like to inform you that I am currently investigating a complete
round trip for translations and try to understand how it works in detail.

resources -> sdf -> po -> translation -> po -> sdf -> resources -> build
office

I think it is important that we first understand and know how the
process works and that we have a well define state on the pootle server
where we can start with.


Juergen

Re: Clarifying facts

[Ross Gardler]

On 14 March 2012 08:02, Ross Gardler  wrote:
> Seems I spoke a little to early on some of the points below (see Joe's
> observations later in this thread)
>
> The project is generally doing very well, but learning to play nice with
> those not fully aligned to "the one true vision" is Spongebob that needs
> work.

s/Spogdebob/something

A while ago I read a tweet that had been auto corrected to something
like "Feel terrible this morning. Bad case of the Man Boobs"

(s/Boobs/Flu)

>
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2012 5:36 PM, "Ross Gardler"  wrote:
>>
>> On 13 March 2012 17:17, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> >> The Apache OpenOffice project is still in incubation and has not yet
>> >> requested graduation to a TLP.
>> >
>> > A release is a prerequisite to graduation. Once a release has been made
>> > graduation is next on the agenda. Our mentors can correct me if I am wrong,
>> > but we have likely met all of the other requirements.
>>
>> Speaking as just one mentor I believe the PPMC is now functioning as a
>> healthy Apache PMC. Specifically:
>>
>> - the diversity requirement of the project has been met (in fact this
>> was the case on day one)
>>
>> - all discussions relating to project strategy now take place on the
>> public mailing lists
>>
>> - the voice of the lone contributor is as loud as the voice of any
>> other contributor
>>
>> - decisions are being taken by those who are ready, willing and able
>> to implement them
>>
>> - the community is rewarding those who earn merit with committership
>> in the project
>>
>> - participants are finding their natural place within the community
>> (this includes coders, testers, technical writers, forum admins,
>> translators and many more)
>>
>> - the community is learning to respect and reward non-code contributions
>>
>> - there is evidence of cross-project collaboration both into and out of
>> AOO
>>
>> - AOO project members are appearing in the appropriate places around
>> the ASF to ensure full engagement with the foundation
>>
>> - mentors very rarely interject, unless specifically called upon
>>
>> - community members are learning not to feed trolls
>>
>> In summary, yes I think the AOO project is well on its way to
>> graduation. A release is a pre-requisite to graduation as that is the
>> point at which the ASF is able to assert that the code is fully
>> license compliant. Once the first release is complete I imagine
>> graduation will not be far behind.
>>
>> I look forward to seeing AOO code allowing the further adoption of ODF
>> alongside other great ODF related projects.
>>
>> Ross



-- 
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: Query re possible Release blocker

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:51:39 +
Ross Gardler  wrote:

> I've not experienced this in about a month of reasonably heavy
> usage. Is there a sure-fire way to trigger the failure? I'd be
> happy to try it.
> 
> Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
> On Mar 14, 2012 8:41 AM, "Rory O'Farrell"
>  wrote:
> 
> > OOo 3.3 regularly failed on Windows 7 after Internet Explorer
> > 9 had been installed (by Win7 SP1?).  The fix was to either
> > uninstall IE9 (IE8 reinstalls) or to disable OOo's automatic
> > checking for updates.  I have no access to a Windows 7
> > installation to check against, but if this problem carries
> > forward to AOO 3.4 it will be a serious and very obvious
> > problem.  I ask if anyone has checked if either or both of
> > these fixes are necessary on AOO 3.4.

I can only give you some general discussion on the matter,
as I don't use Windows 7.

Speaking generally, the problem showed up
as instability of existing OOo 3.3 installations after Win 7
updated to SP1. Subsequent to the SP1 update, which I think
happened automatically in many cases, new installations of OOo 3.3
sometimes hung during install, or were unstable to the point of
effective unusability.  Many of the reports were uncertain - as
you know, there is no Quality Control on the standard of Users
(joke!), but either of the two fixes I outlined were reported to
work in many cases.  It was not necessary for IE9 to be used,
merely present on the computer.  If a User was an IE9
afficionado, we recommended reinstalling OOo 3.3 and performing a
repair installation, selecting in that to disable automatic
checking for updates.

I have asked the same question on the Forum; hopefully some of
the volunteers there will have relevant input, which I will echo
here.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Implementation of genitive case of month names (posessive context)

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2012-03-14 2:54 AM  Jürgen Schmidt wrote:

On 3/14/12 12:48 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

I thought the discussion several months ago decided on Apache OpenOffice
for both the project and application. If that is correct, when are you
going to change the name of the application?


The full change of the name of the installation directory or application name is planned for 
future release because it requires more careful work to not break something. 


Thank you for the answer and clarifying the issue. Not breaking anything is 
good.

Both names are correct and I see no problem here for now. We decided to change some visible 
places (intro image, about box, some others) to reflect the new home and the slightly adapted 
name. And we also agreed to talk officially about Apache OpenOffice from now on. But as we 
have discussed it in detail, many users talk about OpenOffice only so it doesn't matter yet. 
If you have a problem with this approach you should start a new thread explaining it in 
detail that we can understand it.


I have no problem with that approach, now that it has been explained. I had missed any 
discussion about the delay in changing the application name.


Thanks,
Larry


--
_

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - 
Edgard Varese

Re: Competition (was: Clarifying facts)

[Yue Helen]

2012/3/14 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 3/13/12 11:36 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>> You're entitled to a dissenting opinion as an individual,
>> but shaping the marketplace is not part of what we do
>> as a public charity.  Just look at how the subversion
>> project has handled contributions related to git migration tools
>>
>> for instance (yes you chose an apt example but just don't know
>> the true history)- our role organizationally is to facilitate user
>> satisfactionno matter where they may ultimately find it.
>>
>> Friendly internal competition in terms of overall community is fine,
>> but respect for other open source projects should not be sacrificed
>> as a result.  LibreOffice is part of the landscape now, like it or not,
>> and failing to mention them simply to avoid elevating any attention
>> towards them is not what I'd call friendly internal competition.
>>
>
> nobody complained about LibreOffice and we respect their work and what
> they have achieved from a marketing perspective. But I think we all don't
> like the wrong facts that others (whoever it is) are spreading around
> OpenOffice and Apache OpenOffice.

+1


> The opposite is true we would welcome any developers (including the
> LibreOffice developers) to join our project and work together. As you know
> because of the license the other way is not possible.
>
> +1

> I would very much prefer if we can simply concentrate on our project where
> we have enough to do at the moment. Everything else can we do later. And I
> would also appreciate if other people would accept the situation as it is,
> Apache OpenOffice is alive, will deliver and our users are waiting on our
> new release.
>
> +1
I'm new here...I'm not native English speaker...It took me much time to
read this thread...and learned...I guess it also took you much time to type
:-) ...so I believe the above opinion is correct and good for us...focus on
the project, whether FAQ or code. All contributors have my respect.

Helen

> Juergen
>
>

>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>>> From: Rob Weir
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:28 PM
>>> Subject: Competition (was: Clarifying facts)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Joe 
>>> Schaefer
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>

  At Apache we aren't in competition with other projects,
  we provide our work for the public benefit and leave
  discretion about adoption to the public.  Please keep
  that in mind, and stick to providing resources that
  benefit general members of the public.



>>> I disagree.  Or at least I think that there is more nuance to what you
>>> mean than what you wrote.
>>>
>>> Competition is the natural outcome of offering choice.  It is
>>> impossible for us to offer a word processor and not to compete against
>>> every other word processor, open source or proprietary, that is
>>> available for users to choose from.  If we offer choice, we are in
>>> competition.  When we implement features that users want, or bugs that
>>> users report, then we are competing against every other market player
>>> who is also trying to satisfy those customers.
>>>
>>> So competition is not evil, and I don't see how we avoid it unless we
>>> write software that no one wants or uses.
>>>
>>> But what we should not be doing, as a project, is undertaking
>>> competitive marketing campaigns against specific competitors.  For
>>> example, it would be improper for us to publish under the project's
>>> imprimatur a whitepaper listing "10 reasons to ditch AbiWord and use
>>> OpenOffice" or a blog post that says "KOffice has not had a new
>>> release in months, their users should urgently move to OpenOffice".
>>> In fact, we could look at almost any of the LibreOffice marketing
>>> campaigns against OpenOffice and almost all of them would be
>>> inappropriate for this Apache project to engage in, IMHO.
>>>
>>> We should, of course, tell the story of Apache OpenOffice, what its
>>> benefits are and why it is good for users.  Every project has the
>>> right to its own messaging on its benefits.  That is a basic part of
>>> community development.  It would be very odd if git developers came
>>> over and decided to write a new project FAQ for Subversion.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [PROPOSAL] Request for french-language mailing lists

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 3/13/12 10:50 PM, eric b wrote:

Hi Rob,

Le 13 mars 12 à 22:36, Rob Weir a écrit :


On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM, eric b  wrote:

Hi,

With the legacy lists shuting down soon, I'd like to propose the
creation of
several French mailing lists.

The previous one were : http://openoffice.org/projects/fr/lists


us...@fr.openoffice.org : 86816 messages | 570 subscribers
disc...@fr.openoffice.org : 11522 messages | 221 subscribers



Would it be possible to start with a single list (maybe users) and see
if traffic justifies another list. In other languages we've gone with
a single list, except for Italian which grew to 400-500 subscribers
and had a good reason to split. The advantage to your community, of
course, is that you start off with critical mass on one list first.




In this case, I think ooo-users...@incubator.apache.org could be the
best : "users" means we have something to propose (and this is the case).

And like you suggest, if discussions derivate, or too much of traffic
occurs, then and only thenn create a second list or discussions.



+1

Juergen

Re: Implementation of genitive case of month names (posessive context)

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 3/14/12 12:48 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:


On 2012-03-13 3:33 PM Rob Weir wrote:

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Larry Gusaas
wrote:

None of which answer my question. "Shouldn't the release be "Apache
OpenOffice 3.4"?

The wiki page
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Current+Status+FAQ
states:
"Future releases from the OpenOffice.org domain will be called "Apache
OpenOffice"." and"
"Once Apache OpenOffice v3.4 is released, the project recommends you
replace
your OpenOffice.org installation with it."


That wiki is just Simon having a spirited conversation with himself.
I would not use it for anything more than a source of entertainment.
On a slow day,


Your constant snide remarks are insulting. Their were many useful
comments on his contributions in the thread he started. Yours aren't.


However the developer snapshots still install as "OpenOffice.org".

So which name will the release version use? Is that clearer so you can
understand the question?


Actually that would have been a simpler question to ask. What you
actually did is interject into a thread about calendar localization
and when I wrote "We are in our final weeks of testing and bug fixing
for our OpenOffice 3.4 release" you started asking questions about why
I had not said "Apache OpenOffice 3.4". I hope you can see how that
was not a very good way of raising a new, entirely unrelated subject
in an exiting thread.


Blah blah blah.


In any case, in the latest dev snapshots the about box says "Apache
OpenOffice". There may be places where the changes has not yet been
made, in the code and on the website.


Quit avoiding the question. I said "However the developer snapshots
still install as "OpenOffice.org"."

In my Applications folder it is listed as "OpenOffice.org.app". When I'm
using it the menu bar says OpenOffice.org.

I thought the discussion several months ago decided on Apache OpenOffice
for both the project and application. If that is correct, when are you
going to change the name of the application?


The full change of the name of the installation directory or application 
name is planned for future release because it requires more careful work 
to not break something. Both names are correct and I see no problem here 
for now. We decided to change some visible places (intro image, about 
box, some others) to reflect the new home and the slightly adapted name. 
And we also agreed to talk officially about Apache OpenOffice from now 
on. But as we have discussed it in detail, many users talk about 
OpenOffice only so it doesn't matter yet. If you have a problem with 
this approach you should start a new thread explaining it in detail that 
we can understand it.


Juergen

Re:Query re possible Release blocker

[Ross Gardler]

I've not experienced this in about a month of reasonably heavy usage. Is
there a sure-fire way to trigger the failure? I'd be happy to try it.

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Mar 14, 2012 8:41 AM, "Rory O'Farrell"  wrote:

> OOo 3.3 regularly failed on Windows 7 after Internet Explorer 9
> had been installed (by Win7 SP1?).  The fix was to either
> uninstall IE9 (IE8 reinstalls) or to disable OOo's automatic
> checking for updates.  I have no access to a Windows 7
> installation to check against, but if this problem carries
> forward to AOO 3.4 it will be a serious and very obvious
> problem.  I ask if anyone has checked if either or both of
> these fixes are necessary on AOO 3.4.
>
> --
> Rory O'Farrell 
>

Query re possible Release blocker

[Rory O'Farrell]

OOo 3.3 regularly failed on Windows 7 after Internet Explorer 9
had been installed (by Win7 SP1?).  The fix was to either
uninstall IE9 (IE8 reinstalls) or to disable OOo's automatic
checking for updates.  I have no access to a Windows 7
installation to check against, but if this problem carries
forward to AOO 3.4 it will be a serious and very obvious
problem.  I ask if anyone has checked if either or both of
these fixes are necessary on AOO 3.4.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

Re: Competition (was: Clarifying facts)

[Ross Gardler]

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Mar 14, 2012 7:50 AM, "Jürgen Schmidt" 
wrote:
>

> I would very much prefer if we can simply concentrate on our project
where we
> have enough to do at the moment.

+1

Public squabbles help nobody

update service [was: Re: Apache OpenOffice Extensions Website restored at SourceForge]

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 13.03.2012 17:53, Kay Schenk wrote:

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Roberto Galoppiniwrote:
[snipping a lot ...]

We have already investigated how it works, and we do actually serve
updates requests answering that there are no updates. This is just as
it was configured before.

Any information about how the update protocol works would be helpful
for the future, though.

Roberto



OK, I have an odd question. Is this the same "update protocol" that is used
to update the actual base package -- i.e. OOo -- the same "update"
capability that is currently missing from, say, the existing Linux 32-bit
build?

Roberto-- where can we get more info on what is actually being "served" in
response to update request? That is, the URL for it.

*IF* the same "update protocol" is used for everything, base package and
extensions, here is what I (we) know. Apparently, there was some
proprietary tool in place from what I gather in which entries were
(manually?) entered for "products". That tool created atom feeds at a
specified URL which the "products/extensions" would then reference for
updates.

In building, both Regina and Ariel were able to successfully test an
"update" by creating an atom feed with a single entry for their respective
platforms (windows, linux-64 with debian packaging), and I think actually
perform the update.

There is information on the "format" of the feed on the wiki:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Update_Notification_Protocol

but NOTHING about how the feed gets constructed.

I have been wanting to experiment with adding more than one entry to the
existing sample feed I ported  (usign Ariel's test) to:

http://www.openoffice.org/ProductUpdateService/check.Update

If someone knows enough to add more "entries" to this feed complying to
"atom" rules, that would be great. I don't know anything about how
"matches" occur in this context.




I am testing the function Menu Help - Check for Updates... regarding, if it is 
working after we had back an HTTP/WebDAV client library.
It mainly works using [1]. But, I have recognized that the HTTP header fields 
specified at [2] are not transfered - mea culpa.
--> I will submit a corresponding issue for which I will request the release 
blocker flag.


It looks like that the former update service used the values of the HTTP header 
fields "User-Agent" and "Accept-Language" in order to provide a proper reply.
I think "User-Agent" was used to determine, if for the requested installed 
version an update exists or not. "Accept-Language" seems to be used provide a 
corresponding localized reply.

These are only guesses. Feel free to correct or even support me.

After fixing the above mentioned issue I will try to analyse the code processing 
the response in order to continue Regina's and Ariel's work here.
I expect that it results in proper information which enabled us to provide a 
'static' reply which will signal to all OOo 3.3 versions that AOO 3.4 is available.


[1] http://www.openoffice.org/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
[2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Update_Notification_Protocol


Best regards, Oliver.

Re: Clarifying facts

[Ross Gardler]

Seems I spoke a little to early on some of the points below (see Joe's
observations later in this thread)

The project is generally doing very well, but learning to play nice with
those not fully aligned to "the one true vision" is Spongebob that needs
work.

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Mar 13, 2012 5:36 PM, "Ross Gardler"  wrote:
>
> On 13 March 2012 17:17, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >> The Apache OpenOffice project is still in incubation and has not yet
requested graduation to a TLP.
> >
> > A release is a prerequisite to graduation. Once a release has been made
graduation is next on the agenda. Our mentors can correct me if I am wrong,
but we have likely met all of the other requirements.
>
> Speaking as just one mentor I believe the PPMC is now functioning as a
> healthy Apache PMC. Specifically:
>
> - the diversity requirement of the project has been met (in fact this
> was the case on day one)
>
> - all discussions relating to project strategy now take place on the
> public mailing lists
>
> - the voice of the lone contributor is as loud as the voice of any
> other contributor
>
> - decisions are being taken by those who are ready, willing and able
> to implement them
>
> - the community is rewarding those who earn merit with committership
> in the project
>
> - participants are finding their natural place within the community
> (this includes coders, testers, technical writers, forum admins,
> translators and many more)
>
> - the community is learning to respect and reward non-code contributions
>
> - there is evidence of cross-project collaboration both into and out of
AOO
>
> - AOO project members are appearing in the appropriate places around
> the ASF to ensure full engagement with the foundation
>
> - mentors very rarely interject, unless specifically called upon
>
> - community members are learning not to feed trolls
>
> In summary, yes I think the AOO project is well on its way to
> graduation. A release is a pre-requisite to graduation as that is the
> point at which the ASF is able to assert that the code is fully
> license compliant. Once the first release is complete I imagine
> graduation will not be far behind.
>
> I look forward to seeing AOO code allowing the further adoption of ODF
> alongside other great ODF related projects.
>
> Ross

Re: Competition (was: Clarifying facts)

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 3/13/12 11:36 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

You're entitled to a dissenting opinion as an individual,
but shaping the marketplace is not part of what we do
as a public charity.  Just look at how the subversion
project has handled contributions related to git migration tools

for instance (yes you chose an apt example but just don't know
the true history)- our role organizationally is to facilitate user
satisfactionno matter where they may ultimately find it.

Friendly internal competition in terms of overall community is fine,
but respect for other open source projects should not be sacrificed
as a result.  LibreOffice is part of the landscape now, like it or not,
and failing to mention them simply to avoid elevating any attention
towards them is not what I'd call friendly internal competition.


nobody complained about LibreOffice and we respect their work and what 
they have achieved from a marketing perspective. But I think we all 
don't like the wrong facts that others (whoever it is) are spreading 
around OpenOffice and Apache OpenOffice. The opposite is true we would 
welcome any developers (including the LibreOffice developers) to join 
our project and work together. As you know because of the license the 
other way is not possible.


I would very much prefer if we can simply concentrate on our project 
where we have enough to do at the moment. Everything else can we do 
later. And I would also appreciate if other people would accept the 
situation as it is, Apache OpenOffice is alive, will deliver and our 
users are waiting on our new release.


Juergen





- Original Message -

From: Rob Weir
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: Competition (was: Clarifying facts)

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Joe Schaefer
wrote:



  At Apache we aren't in competition with other projects,
  we provide our work for the public benefit and leave
  discretion about adoption to the public.  Please keep
  that in mind, and stick to providing resources that
  benefit general members of the public.




I disagree.  Or at least I think that there is more nuance to what you
mean than what you wrote.

Competition is the natural outcome of offering choice.  It is
impossible for us to offer a word processor and not to compete against
every other word processor, open source or proprietary, that is
available for users to choose from.  If we offer choice, we are in
competition.  When we implement features that users want, or bugs that
users report, then we are competing against every other market player
who is also trying to satisfy those customers.

So competition is not evil, and I don't see how we avoid it unless we
write software that no one wants or uses.

But what we should not be doing, as a project, is undertaking
competitive marketing campaigns against specific competitors.  For
example, it would be improper for us to publish under the project's
imprimatur a whitepaper listing "10 reasons to ditch AbiWord and use
OpenOffice" or a blog post that says "KOffice has not had a new
release in months, their users should urgently move to OpenOffice".
In fact, we could look at almost any of the LibreOffice marketing
campaigns against OpenOffice and almost all of them would be
inappropriate for this Apache project to engage in, IMHO.

We should, of course, tell the story of Apache OpenOffice, what its
benefits are and why it is good for users.  Every project has the
right to its own messaging on its benefits.  That is a basic part of
community development.  It would be very odd if git developers came
over and decided to write a new project FAQ for Subversion.

-Rob

Re: "[RELEASE]: promote ' Bug 118760 ' as stopper for AOO3.4

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 3/14/12 4:39 AM, lifeng wang wrote:

Hi, all

I propose Bug 118760 as AOO 3.4 release blocker. This defect will crash
presentation.



crashes are not good +1

Juergen


scenario: Merge and Split Vertically to the same cell, then undo&redo.

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118760


Best regards, Phoenix

Re: I'd love your opinion on a question of FAQ style

[rjaaskel]

Rob Weir [robw...@apache.org] kirjoitti: 

This question came up on the other thread.  I'd be interested in
knowing which style of FAQ you prefer:

Example A:

"Who is building Apache OpenOffice releases?

 * In common with other Apache projects, work on Apache OpenOffice is
performed by individual volunteers.
 * Development is done a number of the original developers of
OpenOffice.org in addition to community volunteers and developers from
other projects derived from the OpenOffice codebase including IBM
Symphony."

or Example B:

"Who is developing Apache OpenOffice?

Like any other Apache project, work on Apache OpenOffice is performed
by a diverse group of volunteers, from over a dozen countries.  We
have participants who are brand new to the project as of last week.
We also have many old hands, who have been involved with OpenOffice
for a decade or more.  These volunteers work on coding, testing,
documentation, websites, translations, marketing as well as other
functions.  Some of our volunteers are listed here:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html.If you are
interested in helping develop the next great version of Apache
OpenOffice please take a look at our Getting Involved page
(http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-involved.html)."


Another set:

Example A:

"Where can I get updates to the copy of OpenOffice.org that I am running?

   *  There have been no updates to OpenOffice.org binaries released
for users since Oracle stopped development and there will be no
patches to those earlier binary programs released.
* The project is currently preparing a new version of the code and
it will be available through the openoffice.org website.
* Once Apache OpenOffice v3.4 is released, the project recommends
you replace your OpenOffice.org installation with it.
* Again, there are developer versions available for testing purposes."


and

Example B:

"Where can I get updates to the copy of OpenOffice.org that I am running?

 * The latest release of OpenOffice.org is 3.3.  If you have that then
you have the latest.  If you would like to extend the capabilities of
your OpenOffice 3.3 you might take a look at the many compatible
extensions (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/) and templates
(http://templates.services.openoffice.org/)  that are available.
*   We are currently preparing a new release, Apache OpenOffice 3.4.
When available, you can download it from the http://www.openoffice.org
website.  If you want to be on a notification list for when Apache
OpenOffice 3.4 is available for download, you can send an email to
ooo-announce-subscr...@incubator.apache.org."

These two approaches, A and B, differ in tone, formality and
information level.   Which do you think would be most useful to users
seeking answers to their questions?

-Rob


Hello!
Personally I don't like long story but bullet list with links if needed.  But A 
ja B are mixed for that.

Regards
Risto