date:20120605


Kay Schenk wrote:

   - We released Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on May 8, 2012.
 This release included:
   Five different client platform install versions in 15 languages


Six plus source: Windows, Mac, Linux 32-bit RPM, Linux 32-bit DEB, Linux 
64-bit RPM, Linux 64-bit DEB.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: 2012-06-05 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for this. I have some questions.

How long are people left in the PPMC? state? To me that ought to expire like 
was done for Initial Committers. Are you including those who were only offered 
Committer status?

Regards,
Dave

On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> As of the end of day, 2012-06-05, the Apache OpenOffice podling has
> 95 committers, with 75 on the PPMC.
> 
> Since the previous, 2012-02-01 report, there is an increase of
> 10 committers and 8 PPMC members.
> 
> There are two invitations outstanding and the establishment of two 
> other committers is in progress.
> 
> - Dennis
> 
>   for the Apache OpenOffice PPMC
> 
> CURRENT PPMC AND COMMITTER STATUS
> 
> Who's on Board:  Tally of Current Committers and PPMC
> 
>   1 champion
>   5 mentor
>   1 mentor/committer (player coach?)
>  75 PPMC (all currently committers and not counted below)
>  19 committer (includes any in PPMC? status below)
>   6 other (ASF Member observers, etc.)
> 107 TOTAL = pending 'PPMC?' + 'complete' + 'authz' below
> 
> Pending Actions - what the PPMC is working on getting flat
> 
>   0 invite (committer/PPMC invitations pending)
>   2 accepted? (waiting for acceptance and next steps)
>   0 iCLA? (waiting for iCLA)
>   0 choose ID (pending invitation to choose ID)
>   0 ID chosen? (waiting for choice of ID)
>   2 ID pending (ID and account creation pending)
>   3 authz (awaiting completion of ooo authorization)
>  17 PPMC? (waiting for follow-up joining of PPMC)
>  87 complete (nothing further required)
>  30 other (some special completion cases, declined, etc.)
> 141 TOTAL
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 08:39
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: 2012-02-01 PPMC Status: End of Initial Committer Establishment
> 
> As of the end of day, 2012-01-31, the Apache OpenOffice podling has 85 
> committers, with 67 on the PPMC.
> 
> Since the previous, 2011-11-17, report there is an increase of 4 committers 
> and 9 PPMC members.
> 
> There are no outstanding iCLAs for initial committers and there are no 
> remaining eligible initial committers who have not established themselves.
> 
> 
> [ ... ]

Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki


On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:

> KG01 - see comments inline. 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2012, at 3:13 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM, chengjh  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We see,the old OpenOffice.org wiki
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page  has accumulated plenty
>>> of valuable information,including planning,function specification,technical
>>> documents and so on..Currently,the planning and project tracking parts have
>>> been moved to
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home,that means a
>>> new start of the project.Because the two wikis are two different wiki
>>> software systems,moreover, there are existing different writing styles
>>> between them and writers need accounts for them respectively, it is not
>>> convenient for writers to write wiki articles when switching between
>>> them...So, I propose to create a new wiki for developers to record
>>> technical documents,technical review,proposals/ideas,function specification
>>> and design,and so on by sub-project categories, for example,we can move the
>> 
>> We actually already have a 3rd wiki, for developers:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home
>> 
>> Here is the history:
>> 
>> The MediaWiki instance was the legacy wiki, used by OpenOffce.org project
>> 
>> When the Apache project was create, we had two new wiki's created.
>> Remember at that time we had not yet migrated the MediaWiki over to
>> Apache, and it was not certain whether we would be able to do it.
>> 
>> The two new wikis were:
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+HomeThis
>> was the "community wiki" where anyone could create an account and edit
>> content.
>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home   This
>> wiki was restricted to committers.
>> 
>> The OOODEV wiki made it suitable for content that might make it into a
>> product release.  For example logos, draft help, etc.  If this was put
>> on an open wiki, where anyone would access it, then we'd need to do
>> much more work to track permissions if we wanted to move something
>> from the wiki into SVN for use in a release.  Having a wiki that was
>> only writable by committers ensure that the content is always under
>> ALv2.
>> 
>> If we want to go to a single wiki, I think we should resolve the
>> license issue.And we should also encourage CTR by ensuring that
>> there is an email notification for changes.  We do that for CWiki
>> today.
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
> 
> KG01 - While I appreciate that wiki-oriented design and development resources 
> are scarce, we should consider forming a swat team to sort this out. As a 
> distributed team we need usable tools and useful info. To help orient 
> readers, and make active versus archival material distinct, we should 
> consider a rapid visual refresh, or some other predominant visual affordable. 
> The current "document: outdated" is not predominant enough. 

Rob's description is entirely correct. He does leave out some of the detail 
which is basically for whatever reason the former Admin of the wiki and forum 
did not take well to the Apache way. He DID step up and get it migrated and 
Terry E's effort is much appreciated,

It is good that imacat has stepped up to fulfill the role of sysadmin for the 
MediaWiki. Anyone else?

I'll add that the OOODEV CWiki has been barely used, it should certainly be 
dropped and any existing content moved to OOOUSERS

Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
>> 
>>> scope of teams section from the old OO wiki to the new wiki, or *extend the
>>> scope of  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home to
>>> include these areas. *Thus, in the future,the new wiki will only keep a
>>> link to the old OO wiki which takes as the history data and continue to
>>> accumulate new project data to benefit the project and contributors..Please
>>> comment...thanks.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng

a question of Export custom file format?

2012-06-05 Thread ????

HI:
 
I need to develop an extension program of openoffice's write, 
the extended function is export a custom file format
, the file format similar as PDF file format ,
But not the PDF file format.
 
I analyzed the export of PDF files ,the Function  through VCL output.
I have two question as below:
 
1)Such  need can be achieved in extension of openoffice's write?
2) Can I use 
calss VirtualDevice
calss GDIMetaFile
interface---   Reference  xRenderable (mxSrcDoc, UNO_QUERY)
in openoffice's write?

Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki

2012-06-05 Thread imacat

I have no opinion whether to join the two Wikis, or discard the
current MediaWiki.  Actually, the current content on MediaWiki is quite
outdated and misleading.  We may need significant amount of effort to
keep the MediaWiki dated.  If we want to keep MediaWiki, we may need to
discard a large amount of the content and start from beginning.

However, I would like to remind you that, some nice people here are
already starting this work.  If we want to discard MediaWiki, we may
need to consider how to move the whole Wiki community, not just the Wiki
content.

It's relatively easy to start a new Wiki or discard an existing one.
 But to form and keep a live Wiki community is a lot harder than just
moving.

On 2012/06/06 09:45, Kevin Grignon said:
> KG01 - see comments inline. 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2012, at 3:13 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM, chengjh  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We see,the old OpenOffice.org wiki
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page  has accumulated plenty
>>> of valuable information,including planning,function specification,technical
>>> documents and so on..Currently,the planning and project tracking parts have
>>> been moved to
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home,that means a
>>> new start of the project.Because the two wikis are two different wiki
>>> software systems,moreover, there are existing different writing styles
>>> between them and writers need accounts for them respectively, it is not
>>> convenient for writers to write wiki articles when switching between
>>> them...So, I propose to create a new wiki for developers to record
>>> technical documents,technical review,proposals/ideas,function specification
>>> and design,and so on by sub-project categories, for example,we can move the
>>
>> We actually already have a 3rd wiki, for developers:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home
>>
>> Here is the history:
>>
>> The MediaWiki instance was the legacy wiki, used by OpenOffce.org project
>>
>> When the Apache project was create, we had two new wiki's created.
>> Remember at that time we had not yet migrated the MediaWiki over to
>> Apache, and it was not certain whether we would be able to do it.
>>
>> The two new wikis were:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+HomeThis
>> was the "community wiki" where anyone could create an account and edit
>> content.
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home   This
>> wiki was restricted to committers.
>>
>> The OOODEV wiki made it suitable for content that might make it into a
>> product release.  For example logos, draft help, etc.  If this was put
>> on an open wiki, where anyone would access it, then we'd need to do
>> much more work to track permissions if we wanted to move something
>> from the wiki into SVN for use in a release.  Having a wiki that was
>> only writable by committers ensure that the content is always under
>> ALv2.
>>
>> If we want to go to a single wiki, I think we should resolve the
>> license issue.And we should also encourage CTR by ensuring that
>> there is an email notification for changes.  We do that for CWiki
>> today.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
> 
> KG01 - While I appreciate that wiki-oriented design and development resources 
> are scarce, we should consider forming a swat team to sort this out. As a 
> distributed team we need usable tools and useful info. To help orient 
> readers, and make active versus archival material distinct, we should 
> consider a rapid visual refresh, or some other predominant visual affordable. 
> The current "document: outdated" is not predominant enough. 
> 
> 
>>
>>> scope of teams section from the old OO wiki to the new wiki, or *extend the
>>> scope of  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home to
>>> include these areas. *Thus, in the future,the new wiki will only keep a
>>> link to the old OO wiki which takes as the history data and continue to
>>> accumulate new project data to benefit the project and contributors..Please
>>> comment...thanks.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng


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Re: DRAFT June board report...please help

KG01 - See comments inline.

Kay, thanks for putting this information together.


On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > OK, here's a draft -- Dennis is working on getting me actual "people"
> > numbers later today, so what I have here in terms of new committers is
> just
> > a (bad) guess. And, duh -- we only report in March, June, September,
> > December, so what I have here in terms of what we've been doing since
> March
> > is probably way, way off... Please update as you see fit!
> >
> > I now have an incubator wiki account so I will happily post when we're
> done
> >
> >
> > == proposed June AOO report ==
> >
> > *Project Name and Brief Description*
> >
> > OpenOffice (was OpenOffice.org)
> >
> > * OpenOffice entered incubation 2011-06-13
> >
> > OpenOffice is an open-source, office-document productivity suite
> providing
> > six productivity applications based around the OpenDocument Format (ODF).
> > OpenOffice is released on multiple platforms.  Its localizations  have
> > supported 110 languages worldwide.
> >
> > * Most Important Items To Address Toward Graduation *
> >
> >  1. Review of distributed articles to ensure compliance with ASF policy
> >  2. Given the size and scope of OpenOffice, continue work on
>  "community
> > readiness" espeically with refgard to
> >organization and communication style.
> >  3. Increase size and diversity of the active development community
> >
>
> It seems odd to have a list that large and say that we're about to
> start a graduation vote.  My impression was we're really only working
> on #1, and Andre and Pedro seem to have those under control.  #2 and
> #3 are ongoing activities, before and after graduation, for us and any
> other Apache project.  But I don't think we have any graduation
> blocking issues there.
>
>
> > We have started preliminary discussion concerning graduation, and are
> > putting renewed emphasis on the above items
> > as we would like to propose graduation within the next month.
> >
> > * Issues for IPMC or ASF Board Awareness *
> >
> >  - None
> >
> > * Community Development Progress *
> >
> >  - Since our last report we have voted in 5 (?) new Committers/PPMC
> members.
> >  - Since our last report, one committer/PPMC member has resigned
> >  - We have improved to act more as a self organized project to address
> >and solve project related topics (eg. budget transfer from SPI, forum
> > moderation).
> >  - We accepted an offer from SourceForge to host our older 3.3 version
> and
> > provide client installs of our latest release 3.4.
> > This decision was arrived after much discussion among members and
> > consulation with mentors.
> >  - Due to heightened interest, we are putting more resources (services,
> > volunteers) into translation efforts
> >  - We are putting more effort into addressing trademark and third-party
> > distributin requests. Ongoing emphasis as to
> >how to accomodate and track these requests is becoming an important
> > concern.
> >  - We are putting renewed emphasis on recruitment to assist with
> maintaiing
> > now abandoned former native-language project web sites.
> >
>

KG01 - Re "3. Increase size and diversity of the active development
community", perhaps we could acknowledge that we are working to
re-invigorate the user experience design effort. Software is for people,
and we should show that we are working hard to understand who is user our
product, why and for what, and how we will work to deliver the best
experience possible to support our users. We don't just make code software,
we design great products that align with our client's view of success -
that is a design activity. My feedback here is too wordy, please include
anything that acknowledges effort in user research and design of our
products would be great.


>
> I'd word that as, 'We are increasing our global reach by recruiting
> volunteers to help update and maintain the large set of legacy native
> language home pages"
>
> > * Project Development Progress *
> >
> >  - We released Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on May 8, 2012.
>
> Over three million downloads in the first month.
>
> >This release included:
> >  Five different client platform install versions in 15 languages
> >  Source tarbalss in Engligh
> >  Software development kit packaging for 5 platforms
> >  Language packs for 15 languages
> >
> >A summary of downloads for the installs can be found at:
> >
> >
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/timeline
> >
> >We would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of our mentors,
> the
> > Apache infrastructure team, and the wonderful folks at SourceForge in
> making
> > this release a success!
> >
> >
> >  - We are currently working on an alternate repository for category-B
> code
> > to comply with graduation requirements
> >  - Prepartion was made in May for importing IBM Symphony changes into the
> > OpenO

Re: Unofficial Solaris 11/x86 3.4 build

2012-06-05 Thread Jerry Kemp

Hello Nicolas,

Thank you so much for your efforts.  They are very much appreciated.

Your email below suggest that the download file is a package.

I downloaded, uncompressed and untarred your build on a OpenIndiana system.

I found the binary, and I am able to execute it successfully.

I am curious if there is any type of installer as part of your package?
 I hope that I just over looked it, but I did look around, and I did not
see any *.pkg files, or an installer or setup script.

Again, thank you,

Jerry


On 06/ 4/12 04:55 PM, Nicolas Christener wrote:
> Hi all :)
> 
> After getting the OpenSolaris/SPARC build done, we could finally take a
> look at some of the Solaris11/x86 build-issues.
> 
> We managed to produce a working build without any bad hacks and made
> this package (it also has mozilla/nss support):
> http://adfinis-sygroup.ch/aoo-solaris-x86
> 
> This is an unofficial build we provide "as is" and without any warranty
> (you should not use this for production environments and for testing
> purpose only).
> 
> This build is "smoke tested" and should work in general.
> 
> We had to make some minor changes in our build script, but in general we
> used the same settings (--disable-systray and --with-system-libxml are
> the only real differences) as for the OpenSolaris/SPARC builds.
> 
> Besides those minor changes we built this version using a Solaris 11 vm.
> We're not sure yet whether this build will also run on an OpenSolaris
> machine. We're going to try this as soon as possible.
> 
> The build scripts which show the used parameters can be found here:
> http://adfinis-sygroup.ch/file-exchange-public/tag-AOO340-x86/build.sh.txt
> http://adfinis-sygroup.ch/file-exchange-public/tag-AOO340-x86/env.sh.txt
> 
> We have some build patches ready which we are going to share as soon as
> possible - it's a bit late now ;)
> 
> We would be happy to receive any suggestions for improvement and
> appreciate any feedback.
> 
> kind regards
> Nicolas Christener
>

Re: Correct SVN practices (was Re: Fix for bug 119161)

2012-06-05 Thread bjcheny

Hi Eric,

I'd like to offer some tips on "svn changelist".
Let me know your comments.
Currently, I see no side-effect on using this feature during fixing bugs.

2012/6/5 Yong Lin Ma 

> Pedro,
> I will do this. Please brief how do you hope the info will be
> organized and what should be highlighted.
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> >
> > --- Lun 4/6/12, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
> >
> >> >
> >> > I guess there's going to be no way to convince
> >> > people to use SVN correctly (hint: "svn merge"). :(
> >>
> >> I simply haven't thought about it but I agree svn merge
> >> would have been better here. Especially when we want to
> >> merge the whole branch later to trunk to ensure that
> >> we have all fixes integrated.
> >>
> >
> > svn merge actually helps a lot and I find it is really
> > powerful, especially when there are big changes involving
> > creating or moving files. I think part of the problem
> > is that we don't have the procedures documented yet
> > and people are afraid to break something in the main
> > tree.
> >
> > We do have a small primer but it can be improved.
> > For new (and sometimes old) committers it's good
> > to have some reference for doing their first commit,
> > the first merge, creating their own feature branch,
> > etc.
> >
> > Volunteers are welcome; I am a little busy but I
> > can give some pointers if someone wants to take
> > the task.
> >
> > Pedro.
> >
>

2012-06-05 Status: PPMC and Committer Roster

As of the end of day, 2012-06-05, the Apache OpenOffice podling has
95 committers, with 75 on the PPMC.

Since the previous, 2012-02-01 report, there is an increase of
10 committers and 8 PPMC members.

There are two invitations outstanding and the establishment of two 
other committers is in progress.

 - Dennis

   for the Apache OpenOffice PPMC

CURRENT PPMC AND COMMITTER STATUS

Who's on Board:  Tally of Current Committers and PPMC

   1 champion
   5 mentor
   1 mentor/committer (player coach?)
  75 PPMC (all currently committers and not counted below)
  19 committer (includes any in PPMC? status below)
   6 other (ASF Member observers, etc.)
 107 TOTAL = pending 'PPMC?' + 'complete' + 'authz' below

Pending Actions - what the PPMC is working on getting flat

   0 invite (committer/PPMC invitations pending)
   2 accepted? (waiting for acceptance and next steps)
   0 iCLA? (waiting for iCLA)
   0 choose ID (pending invitation to choose ID)
   0 ID chosen? (waiting for choice of ID)
   2 ID pending (ID and account creation pending)
   3 authz (awaiting completion of ooo authorization)
  17 PPMC? (waiting for follow-up joining of PPMC)
  87 complete (nothing further required)
  30 other (some special completion cases, declined, etc.)
 141 TOTAL

-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 08:39
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: 2012-02-01 PPMC Status: End of Initial Committer Establishment

As of the end of day, 2012-01-31, the Apache OpenOffice podling has 85 
committers, with 67 on the PPMC.

Since the previous, 2011-11-17, report there is an increase of 4 committers 
and 9 PPMC members.

There are no outstanding iCLAs for initial committers and there are no 
remaining eligible initial committers who have not established themselves.


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[Call-for-Review] Fix for bug 119544 (sequence number is not displayed when open docx)

2012-06-05 Thread Jinlong Wu

Hi, all

I had a fix for bug 119544 (
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119544 ).

Can anyone help me to review the fix?

Thank you!

Re: The reason I removed the program called Open Office 3.4

2012-06-05 Thread Shenfeng Liu

As I remember, it is the 2nd customer complaint we got on this issue. And
some of us (e.g. Jihui) has confirmed it. If that's the case, my question
is do we have a defect id to trace it? If no, let's create one. And I will
suggest it as 3.4.1 must fix.

- Simon


2012/6/6 Andrew Douglas Pitonyak 

> Now that would be hilarious if that were the problem. Well, I am not
> calling him back to ask him what file extension, I spent about an hour
> chatting with him. I do not have time for a repeat.
>
>
> On 06/05/2012 03:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> It seems that Windows 7 Wordpad will also open for an ODT file if no
>> Microsoft Office or *Office[.org] application has claimed the default.
>>
>>  - Dennis
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Keith N. McKenna 
>> [mailto:keith.mckenna@comcast.**net
>> ]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 05:34
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: The reason I removed the program called Open Office 3.4
>>
>> Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 06/04/2012 11:07 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Kay Schenk
  wrote:
 .

> In no circumstance should AOO establish itself as a default for any
> file
> type.
>
>  I'd say "In no circumstance should AOO establish itself as a default
 for any file type which is already associated with another program."
 That is, we shouldn't "steal" file associations. If, OTOH, someone is
 installing AOO on a box without MS Office, then it makes perfect sense
 to make AOO the default program for .doc, .ppt, etc.

 Likewise, most people probably don't have a "native" ODF program on
 their systems, and installing AOO as the default for ODF would
 probably make sense in most cases.


 Phil

  Claim is that it hijacked files from word pad. No idea what that
>>> extension might be, i did not ask him.
>>>
>>>  the default extension for wordpad is rtf and AOO does appear to define
>> itself as the default for that extension.
>>
>> regards
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Andrew Pitonyak
> My Macro Document: 
> http://www.pitonyak.org/**AndrewMacro.odt
> Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
>
>

Re: [UX] The Questions for users

KG01 - see comments inline. 

On Jun 6, 2012, at 3:01 AM, "Dennis E. Hamilton"  
wrote:

> I am adding this here just because of the mention of career, profession, and 
> employer.
> 
> If I encountered a questionnaire that asked who my employer was, I would stop 
> right there and not respond.  It is an obvious asked-because-we-can useless 
> question and impeaches the questionnaire source in my mind.
> 
> If I encountered a questionnaire that asked for the nature of my employment 
> (employed, retired, self-employed), I would respond to that.  I would also 
> answer a question about the industry my work was in.  I would answer a 
> question about the number of people in the organization where I work.
> 
> I see no earthly purpose to knowing someone's employer and I don't believe it 
> should be requested.  

KG01 - Agreed. Employer data provides no value to us and could be considered 
invasive. Role and industry data is more useful and valuable. As a reminder, 
the question candidates are a pool from which we can create the actual surveys. 
Final surveys will be subject to community approval. I'll add your comments to 
the wiki. 



> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Shenfeng Liu [mailto:liush...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 23:56
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [UX] The Questions for users
> 
> Firstly I strong agree with Graham's that we must make very clear on what
> we want to know from a survey. e.g. my first impression to Albino's
> original question list was that the purpose might be to know by which
> channels do our users get our product information and support... Later we
> added more purpose in and generated a long list in wiki. While my personal
> suggestion is that we may want to separate the long list into different
> surveys, because people who take the survey will have different interest
> because of their background. One survey should try to target to one certain
> group, for us to make the observation to certain targets that we set. It
> will not good if you take a survey and found 1/3 of the questions inside
> are not what you interested, or even understand... then you might want to
> quit from the survey, or generate some garbage answers by random
> selections... It is just my $0.02.
> 
> BTW, I noticed that in the question list, we didn't ask for people's
> career. We asked for the company, but not individual's. I suggest we add
> this question, since a developer is likely to have a quite different view
> to an executive...
> 
> - Simon
> 
> 
> 2012/6/5 Kevin Grignon 
> 
>> KG02 - see comments inline.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2012, Graham Lauder wrote:
>> 
 KG01 - see comments inline.
 
 On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Graham Lauder > >
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Questions relating to research!
> 
> []
> 
>> Perhaps the first survey we should conduct is a survey about what
>>> sort
>> of surveys our users would respond to.
 
 KG01 - Thanks for your feedback and interest in the user research
>> effort.
 While I agree we could deploy different types of surveys to gather
 different types of data, I feel that a survey of surveys might induce
 premature survey fatigue.
>>> 
>>> Survey fatique has already set in, that is not a new thing, that is
>>> recognisable simply by those surveys conducted by SUN.  We haven't caused
>>> that, it is a factor of the modern marketing malaise.  The cost of
>>> incentives
>>> these days, that one needs to hand out to get a significant sampling in a
>>> timely manner is huge.
>> 
>> 
>> KG02 - Agreed, risk of fatigue is a planning consideration.
>> 
>>> 
 User research, especially surveys, consumes
 people's time and energy.
>>> 
>>> Indeed as I myself pointed out earlier in this thread
>>> 
 Rather, I propose we work from the other
 direction. If the goal of the research activity is to gather data that
>>> will
 help us build insight and drive informed design and development
>>> decisions,
 then we should focus the surveys on the information we need to do
>> that. I
 have captured some comments in the wiki discussion page.
>>> 
>>> Indeed, however if the sample of respondents is ridiculously small, as
>> has
>>> historically been the case, then the data is useless.
>> 
>> 
>> KG02 - Perhaps, let's think positive :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You cannot use corporate methodologies in an open source environment.  We
>>> have
>>> no ability to offer incentives, we therefore need to make the survey
>>> process
>>> as pleasant and enjoyable as possible or we need to find out from people
>>> what
>>> would encourage them to participate.
>> 
>> 
>> KG02 - Ok. I'm not advocating corporate or open source. I'm advocating that
>> we create surveys that 1) will deliver good data and 2) people will fill
>> out.
>> 
>>> 
>>> That requires research, I doubt it will require as big a sample as a UX
>>> survey
>>> but that is only because

Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki

KG01 - see comments inline. 

On Jun 6, 2012, at 3:13 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM, chengjh  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We see,the old OpenOffice.org wiki
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page  has accumulated plenty
>> of valuable information,including planning,function specification,technical
>> documents and so on..Currently,the planning and project tracking parts have
>> been moved to
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home,that means a
>> new start of the project.Because the two wikis are two different wiki
>> software systems,moreover, there are existing different writing styles
>> between them and writers need accounts for them respectively, it is not
>> convenient for writers to write wiki articles when switching between
>> them...So, I propose to create a new wiki for developers to record
>> technical documents,technical review,proposals/ideas,function specification
>> and design,and so on by sub-project categories, for example,we can move the
> 
> We actually already have a 3rd wiki, for developers:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home
> 
> Here is the history:
> 
> The MediaWiki instance was the legacy wiki, used by OpenOffce.org project
> 
> When the Apache project was create, we had two new wiki's created.
> Remember at that time we had not yet migrated the MediaWiki over to
> Apache, and it was not certain whether we would be able to do it.
> 
> The two new wikis were:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+HomeThis
> was the "community wiki" where anyone could create an account and edit
> content.
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home   This
> wiki was restricted to committers.
> 
> The OOODEV wiki made it suitable for content that might make it into a
> product release.  For example logos, draft help, etc.  If this was put
> on an open wiki, where anyone would access it, then we'd need to do
> much more work to track permissions if we wanted to move something
> from the wiki into SVN for use in a release.  Having a wiki that was
> only writable by committers ensure that the content is always under
> ALv2.
> 
> If we want to go to a single wiki, I think we should resolve the
> license issue.And we should also encourage CTR by ensuring that
> there is an email notification for changes.  We do that for CWiki
> today.
> 
> -Rob
> 

KG01 - While I appreciate that wiki-oriented design and development resources 
are scarce, we should consider forming a swat team to sort this out. As a 
distributed team we need usable tools and useful info. To help orient readers, 
and make active versus archival material distinct, we should consider a rapid 
visual refresh, or some other predominant visual affordable. The current 
"document: outdated" is not predominant enough. 


> 
>> scope of teams section from the old OO wiki to the new wiki, or *extend the
>> scope of  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home to
>> include these areas. *Thus, in the future,the new wiki will only keep a
>> link to the old OO wiki which takes as the history data and continue to
>> accumulate new project data to benefit the project and contributors..Please
>> comment...thanks.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng

Re: How Can My Business Use OpenOffice Base?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Cynthia Woo  wrote:
> Good Afternoon,
>
> I am currently working for Mentor Works Ltd. a small consulting company that
> specializes in government funding options available to small to medium sizes
> businesses. We are currently looking for a program that would help systemize
> the business.
>

Hi Cynthia,   OpenOffice is a suite of productivity applications
available under an open source license.  An open source license
permits anyone to download and use the program, at no charge, as well
as to share copies, and even modify the source code.  So you need no
further permission from us if you want to use OpenOffice Base for your
company.

> Due to hundreds of government funding options available to businesses, we
> are looking to create a database with all the different government funding
> options and their eligibility. I have attached a copy of the excel
> spreadsheet we are currently using which gets very confusing.
>
> At the end, we want this database to be able to choose the best government
> funding option for a company that approaches us. For example, if Company A
> is in the IT industry and is looking to hire a marketing post graduate
> student to help with research & development, we can easily find the number
> of programs right for their business challenge by a simple search/click.
>
> Please let me know if you have a representative who would be able to speak
> with me.
>

OpenOffice is developed by volunteers working within the non-profit
Apache Software Foundation.  We do not provide phone support.  But
technical support is available on our volunteer runcommunity support
forums:  http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/   As you can
see there is a specific forum there for Base-related questions.

Regards,

-Rob

> Thank you for your time,
>
> Cynthia Woo
> Business Funding Analyst, Mentor Works Ltd.
> m: 519 722-3727 | w: www.mentorworks.ca
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: The reason I removed the program called Open Office 3.4

2012-06-05 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak

Now that would be hilarious if that were the problem. Well, I am not 
calling him back to ask him what file extension, I spent about an hour 
chatting with him. I do not have time for a repeat.


On 06/05/2012 03:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

It seems that Windows 7 Wordpad will also open for an ODT file if no Microsoft 
Office or *Office[.org] application has claimed the default.

  - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 05:34
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: The reason I removed the program called Open Office 3.4

Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:


On 06/04/2012 11:07 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote:

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
.

In no circumstance should AOO establish itself as a default for any file
type.


I'd say "In no circumstance should AOO establish itself as a default
for any file type which is already associated with another program."
That is, we shouldn't "steal" file associations. If, OTOH, someone is
installing AOO on a box without MS Office, then it makes perfect sense
to make AOO the default program for .doc, .ppt, etc.

Likewise, most people probably don't have a "native" ODF program on
their systems, and installing AOO as the default for ODF would
probably make sense in most cases.


Phil


Claim is that it hijacked files from word pad. No idea what that
extension might be, i did not ask him.


the default extension for wordpad is rtf and AOO does appear to define
itself as the default for that extension.

regards
Keith




--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info:  http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php

Re: DRAFT June board report...please help

2012-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler

On 6 June 2012 01:20, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Ross Gardler 
> wrote:
>> On 6 June 2012 00:14, Kay Schenk  wrote:

>
> OK, here is the latest revision--and guess what, after some digging, I
> found the SPI deal is done! YAY!

Hold up...

> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16846

Sorry to disappoint. The cheque mentioned in that post was cancelled
due to the change in chair of Fundraising and further questions being
asked here in the ASF. See
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16845/match=schultheiss

Unfortunately my note about "further questions" overlapped with the
cheque notification otherwise I would have kept my mouth shut and
returned the money if approval had not been given. Sometimes email and
a rotating planet work against us...

Ross

Ross

Ross

Re: DRAFT June board report...please help

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> OK, here's a draft -- Dennis is working on getting me actual "people"
> numbers later today, so what I have here in terms of new committers is just
> a (bad) guess. And, duh -- we only report in March, June, September,
> December, so what I have here in terms of what we've been doing since March
> is probably way, way off... Please update as you see fit!
>
> I now have an incubator wiki account so I will happily post when we're done
>
>
> == proposed June AOO report ==
>
> *Project Name and Brief Description*
>
> OpenOffice (was OpenOffice.org)
>
> * OpenOffice entered incubation 2011-06-13
>
> OpenOffice is an open-source, office-document productivity suite providing
> six productivity applications based around the OpenDocument Format (ODF).
> OpenOffice is released on multiple platforms.  Its localizations  have
> supported 110 languages worldwide.
>
> * Most Important Items To Address Toward Graduation *
>
>  1. Review of distributed articles to ensure compliance with ASF policy
>  2. Given the size and scope of OpenOffice, continue work on    "community
> readiness" espeically with refgard to
>    organization and communication style.
>  3. Increase size and diversity of the active development community
>

It seems odd to have a list that large and say that we're about to
start a graduation vote.  My impression was we're really only working
on #1, and Andre and Pedro seem to have those under control.  #2 and
#3 are ongoing activities, before and after graduation, for us and any
other Apache project.  But I don't think we have any graduation
blocking issues there.


> We have started preliminary discussion concerning graduation, and are
> putting renewed emphasis on the above items
> as we would like to propose graduation within the next month.
>
> * Issues for IPMC or ASF Board Awareness *
>
>  - None
>
> * Community Development Progress *
>
>  - Since our last report we have voted in 5 (?) new Committers/PPMC members.
>  - Since our last report, one committer/PPMC member has resigned
>  - We have improved to act more as a self organized project to address
>    and solve project related topics (eg. budget transfer from SPI, forum
> moderation).
>  - We accepted an offer from SourceForge to host our older 3.3 version and
> provide client installs of our latest release 3.4.
> This decision was arrived after much discussion among members and
> consulation with mentors.
>  - Due to heightened interest, we are putting more resources (services,
> volunteers) into translation efforts
>  - We are putting more effort into addressing trademark and third-party
> distributin requests. Ongoing emphasis as to
>    how to accomodate and track these requests is becoming an important
> concern.
>  - We are putting renewed emphasis on recruitment to assist with maintaiing
> now abandoned former native-language project web sites.
>

I'd word that as, 'We are increasing our global reach by recruiting
volunteers to help update and maintain the large set of legacy native
language home pages"

> * Project Development Progress *
>
>  - We released Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on May 8, 2012.

Over three million downloads in the first month.

>    This release included:
>      Five different client platform install versions in 15 languages
>      Source tarbalss in Engligh
>      Software development kit packaging for 5 platforms
>      Language packs for 15 languages
>
>    A summary of downloads for the installs can be found at:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/timeline
>
>        We would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of our mentors, the
> Apache infrastructure team, and the wonderful folks at SourceForge in making
> this release a success!
>
>
>  - We are currently working on an alternate repository for category-B code
> to comply with graduation requirements
>  - Prepartion was made in May for importing IBM Symphony changes into the
> OpenOffice repository

Maybe first say an SGA was received from IBM for IBM Lotus Symphony,
and now are preparing to import...

>    This should be complete by the time of the June board meeting.
>  - Work is continuing on making translation processes easier for volunteers.
> Currently, only committers can access the Pootel server.
>  - Testing and implementation of old update service for OpenOffice has been
> accomplished. This service is for older OpenOffice clients to identify
> updates and, optionally, install an update if available.
>  -  need and update on this one and the mailing list numbers!!:

For ooo-dev we have 409 subscribers !

>    Community support forums remain popular with users, hitting a new
>    concurrency record (296)
>
>

Very good report.  I see you have some other suggestions as well.
Once those are included, and maybe a run through a spell checker, it
should be "ready to go".

Thanks for volunteering to draft this!

-Rob


>
>
>
> --
> --

Re: DRAFT June board report...please help

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 6 June 2012 00:14, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Ross Gardler  >wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >> You probably also want to mention that the PPMC is starting to plan
> >> for graduation.
> >>
> >
> > Well I did mention that we were in the "discussion" stage on this, but I
> > can be more explicit.
>
> I missed it, not sure if that was my rush to give you feedback or
> whether it needs to be more explicit - your call on that one.
>

Well we are still basically in the discussion stage at this point. So, I
think this is sufficient.

> Oh, and I forgot to say thank you for picking this up.
>
> Ross
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>

OK, here is the latest revision--and guess what, after some digging, I
found the SPI deal is done! YAY!

and Dave, thank you...we have been REALLY busy since March! centuries in
AOO time!

I should get some actual numbers re committers from Dennis soonish.  The
formatting is a mess here but it should come out better for the wiki post.

=
June Board Report

Project Name and Brief Description:

OpenOffice (was OpenOffice.org)

* OpenOffice entered incubation 2011-06-13

OpenOffice is an open-source, office-document productivity suite providing
six productivity applications based around the OpenDocument Format (ODF).
OpenOffice is released on multiple platforms.  Its localizations support
have supported 110 languages worldwide.

Most Important Items To Address Toward Graduation:

  1. Review of distributed articles to ensure compliance with ASF policy
  2. Given the size and scope of OpenOffice, continue work on "community
readiness" espeically with refgard to
organization and communication style.
  3. Increase size and diversity of the active development community

We have started preliminary discussion concerning graduation, and are
putting renewed emphasis on these items
as we would like to propose graduation within the next month.

Issues for IPMC or ASF Board Awareness

  - Leaks from ooo-private to outside agencies

  Possible leaks of information from the ooo-private email list are
  being investigated. Our first objective is to first establish if and
  how leaks occurred. Once full details are available we will be working
  to address the issue directly. No action is currently required from
  the board and an update will be provided, at the latest, in our next
  report.

Community Development/Outreach  Progress

  - Since our last report we have voted in 7 (?) new Committers/PPMC
members.
  - Since our last report, 2 committer/PPMC members have resigned
  - We have improved to act more as a self organized project to address
and solve project related topics (e.g. forum moderation)
  - We were able to successfully transfer SPI funds formerly earmarked for
OpenOffice.org
to the ASF. See permalink:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16846
These funds, as previously discussed, will primarily be used for
developer travel when needed.
  - We accepted an offer from SourceForge to host our older 3.3 version and
provide client installs of
latest release 3.4. This event was accomplished after much discussion
among members and consulation
with mentors.
  - Due to heightened interest, we are putting more resources (services,
volunteers) into translation efforts
  - We are more putting effort into addressing trademark and third-party
distributin requests. Ongoing emphasis as to
how to accomodate and track these requests is becoming an important
concern.
  - We are putting renewed emphasis on recruitment to assist with maintaing
now abandoned former native-language
project web sites.
  - Established various social programming accounts for additional
outreach: Twitter, Google+, Facebook
  - Setup two additional native language mailing lists

Project Development Progress
  - Pootle services for the project were established and used.
Translation services will be ongoing as new contributors for this
service join.
  - We released Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on May 8, 2012.
This release included:
  Five different client platform install versions in 15 languages
  Source tarbalss in Engligh
  Software development kit packaging for 5 platforms
  Language packs for 15 languages

A summary of downloads for the installs can be found at:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/timeline

  - We are currently working on an alternate repository for category-B code
to comply
with graduation requirement
  - Prepartion was made for importing IBM Symphony chages into the
OpenOffice repository
This should be complete by the time of the June board meeting.
  - Testing and implementation of old update service for OpenOffice has
been accomplished.
This service is for older OpenOffice clients to identi

Re: DRAFT June board report...please help

2012-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler

On 6 June 2012 00:14, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Ross Gardler 
> wrote:

...

>> You probably also want to mention that the PPMC is starting to plan
>> for graduation.
>>
>
> Well I did mention that we were in the "discussion" stage on this, but I
> can be more explicit.

I missed it, not sure if that was my rush to give you feedback or
whether it needs to be more explicit - your call on that one.

Oh, and I forgot to say thank you for picking this up.

Ross

-- 
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: DRAFT June board report...please help


On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Sam Ruby  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Ross Gardler 
>> wrote:
>>> (if someone could pick this up I'd be
>>> grateful, just mail fundrais...@apache.org and ask if we are clear to
>>> have SPI transfer funds).
>> 
>> Suggestion: specify what the funds would be used for.  I see prior
>> mention of planning for an event.  If so, that would be ideal, as that
>> would increase the chance of the request being approved.
>> 
>> - Sam Ruby
>> 
> 
> OK, thanks.

With these suggested changes - well done Kay!

Regards,
Dave


> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK
> 
> "Everything will be all right in the end...
>  if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
> -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

Re: [WWW] A "New" look for /why pages

2012-06-05 Thread Peter Junge


On 6/6/2012 2:05 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hi *,

I converted the (ugly?) /why pages
http://www.openoffice.org/why/

to (ugly, but not that much) MarkDown files, you can see how it looks in
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/why/new/


Great to see this improvement after all those years.
+1

Peter



This is a temporary solution until we find someone that creates a new
design. If there are no complaints, I'll replace the old pages with the
new ones. It didn't modify the content, so feel free to do so and fix
any issue you find.


Regards

Re: DRAFT June board report...please help

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Sam Ruby  wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Ross Gardler 
> wrote:
> > (if someone could pick this up I'd be
> > grateful, just mail fundrais...@apache.org and ask if we are clear to
> > have SPI transfer funds).
>
> Suggestion: specify what the funds would be used for.  I see prior
> mention of planning for an event.  If so, that would be ideal, as that
> would increase the chance of the request being approved.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>

OK, thanks.

-- 

MzK

"Everything will be all right in the end...
  if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
 -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

Re: DRAFT June board report...please help

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 5 June 2012 21:34, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > * Issues for IPMC or ASF Board Awareness *
> >
> >  - None
>
> What about the possibility of leaks and the damage this might do to
> the community?
>
> You may have omitted it because you feel it is being handled OK and
> that there is nothing really to report at this stage. If that is the
> case then I would say that. The goal here is to give a heads up to the
> IPMC/Board that there is a serious issue and that it is being dealt
> with internally. If it is not resolved to the communities satisfaction
> and escalation is the first the IPMC/Board hear of this that will be
> considered bad form.
>
> You may also have omitted it because you are aware the IPMC and Board
> are already informed.


This was my assumption but I don't know that for sure.

I will be happy to include the leak business.


> This is true, but the board report is an
> opportunity for those who are not satisfied with progress to raise
> further issues and, if they so wish, escalate. I therefore try and
> include all items that cause significant tension. Furthermore, it is
> not uncommon for the board to ask a PMC chair to provide more
> information if something like this is not included in a report (a
> board member will often scan lists during review). They don't want to
> have to do detective work but if it looks like an issue is being
> ignored they will seek clarification.
>
> Note, the board reports are public so be sparing with details.


yes, I know this...


> The
> IPMC/Board has access to the private archives if they want details.
> From my last update to this list I think you could say:
>
> "Possible leaks of information from the ooo-private email list are
> being investigated. Our first objective is to first establish if and
> how leaks occurred. Once full details are available we will be working
> to address the issue directly. No action is currently required from
> the board and an update will be provided, at the latest, in our next
> report."
>

I will include your wording on this. Thank you.


>
> >  - We have improved to act more as a self organized project to address
> >and solve project related topics (eg. budget transfer from SPI, forum
> > moderation).
>
> There is certainly improvement but still the SPI issue is not
> resolved, calling that out explicitly makes me thing the PPMC is
> unaware of activity on this issue. This is falling between the cracks,
> partly because a change in VP fundraising resulted in a further delay
> after the issue seemed to be resolved on the SPI side. However, the
> item was raised at the last board meeting and everything should now be
> cleared up. I have it on my todo list to close this off, but that
> would not be the PPMC being self-managing and nobody here has asked me
> what needs to be done still (if someone could pick this up I'd be
> grateful, just mail fundrais...@apache.org and ask if we are clear to
> have SPI transfer funds).
>
> You probably also want to mention that the PPMC is starting to plan
> for graduation.
>

Well I did mention that we were in the "discussion" stage on this, but I
can be more explicit.


>
> Ross
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>

Thanks for your comments, Ross. Much appreciated.



-- 

MzK

"Everything will be all right in the end...
  if it's not all right then it's not the end. "
 -- Sonny, "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel"

Re: DRAFT June board report...please help

2012-06-05 Thread Sam Ruby

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Ross Gardler  wrote:
> (if someone could pick this up I'd be
> grateful, just mail fundrais...@apache.org and ask if we are clear to
> have SPI transfer funds).

Suggestion: specify what the funds would be used for.  I see prior
mention of planning for an event.  If so, that would be ideal, as that
would increase the chance of the request being approved.

- Sam Ruby

Re: DRAFT June board report...please help

2012-06-05 Thread Ross Gardler

On 5 June 2012 21:34, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> * Issues for IPMC or ASF Board Awareness *
>
>  - None

What about the possibility of leaks and the damage this might do to
the community?

You may have omitted it because you feel it is being handled OK and
that there is nothing really to report at this stage. If that is the
case then I would say that. The goal here is to give a heads up to the
IPMC/Board that there is a serious issue and that it is being dealt
with internally. If it is not resolved to the communities satisfaction
and escalation is the first the IPMC/Board hear of this that will be
considered bad form.

You may also have omitted it because you are aware the IPMC and Board
are already informed. This is true, but the board report is an
opportunity for those who are not satisfied with progress to raise
further issues and, if they so wish, escalate. I therefore try and
include all items that cause significant tension. Furthermore, it is
not uncommon for the board to ask a PMC chair to provide more
information if something like this is not included in a report (a
board member will often scan lists during review). They don't want to
have to do detective work but if it looks like an issue is being
ignored they will seek clarification.

Note, the board reports are public so be sparing with details. The
IPMC/Board has access to the private archives if they want details.
>From my last update to this list I think you could say:

"Possible leaks of information from the ooo-private email list are
being investigated. Our first objective is to first establish if and
how leaks occurred. Once full details are available we will be working
to address the issue directly. No action is currently required from
the board and an update will be provided, at the latest, in our next
report."

>  - We have improved to act more as a self organized project to address
>    and solve project related topics (eg. budget transfer from SPI, forum
> moderation).

There is certainly improvement but still the SPI issue is not
resolved, calling that out explicitly makes me thing the PPMC is
unaware of activity on this issue. This is falling between the cracks,
partly because a change in VP fundraising resulted in a further delay
after the issue seemed to be resolved on the SPI side. However, the
item was raised at the last board meeting and everything should now be
cleared up. I have it on my todo list to close this off, but that
would not be the PPMC being self-managing and nobody here has asked me
what needs to be done still (if someone could pick this up I'd be
grateful, just mail fundrais...@apache.org and ask if we are clear to
have SPI transfer funds).

You probably also want to mention that the PPMC is starting to plan
for graduation.

Ross

-- 
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

Re: [Traducción]Consistencia de nombres en Calc

El día 5 de junio de 2012 22:38, Ariel Constenla-Haile
 escribió:
> Hi Ricardo,
>
> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:20:39PM +0200, RGB ES wrote:
>> El amigo Salva, siempre atento a los detalles ha llamado la atención
>> en los foros al hecho que en Calc a veces de dice «AutoFiltro» y en
>> otras ocasiones «Filtro automático», tanto en la interfaz como en la
>> ayuda y que sería mejor homogeneizar la nomenclatura.
>>
>> La duda es cuál de las dos opciones tomar: mirando un poco en Pootle
>> me parece que ambas expresiones están traduciendo «AutoFilter».
>>
>> El castellano no ama tanto como el inglés las palabras compuestas, por
>> lo que parecería más lógico utilizar «Filtro Automático» ¿Qué les
>> parece?
>
> I guess this was intended for ooo-general-es (where we are few, but
> good).
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina

LOL, yes, it was for the ES list... I think I need to buy a mouse
after all: my fingers are too big and clumsy for this touchpad...
Sorry for this!

Regards
Ricardo

Re: [WWW] A "New" look for /why pages


On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am 05.06.2012 um 20:05 schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile :
> 
>> Hi *,
>> 
>> I converted the (ugly?) /why pages 
>> http://www.openoffice.org/why/
>> 
>> to (ugly, but not that much) MarkDown files, you can see how it looks in 
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/why/new/
>> 
>> This is a temporary solution until we find someone that creates a new
>> design. If there are no complaints, I'll replace the old pages with the
>> new ones. It didn't modify the content, so feel free to do so and fix
>> any issue you find.
>> 
> 
> +1 for the new page - it looks better from my point of view.

+100 from me. It's good to see the leftnav and nice clean pages.

The pictures are great!

Regards,
Dave

PS. I know I need to look into mdtext / templates for the main page, but am 
super busy with added responsibilities at $JOB. I may write some how to notes 
instead.


> 
> Best regards, Oliver.
>> Regards
>> -- 
>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> La Plata, Argentina

DRAFT June board report...please help

OK, here's a draft -- Dennis is working on getting me actual "people" 
numbers later today, so what I have here in terms of new committers is 
just a (bad) guess. And, duh -- we only report in March, June, 
September, December, so what I have here in terms of what we've been 
doing since March is probably way, way off... Please update as you see fit!


I now have an incubator wiki account so I will happily post when we're done


== proposed June AOO report ==

*Project Name and Brief Description*

OpenOffice (was OpenOffice.org)

* OpenOffice entered incubation 2011-06-13

OpenOffice is an open-source, office-document productivity suite 
providing six productivity applications based around the OpenDocument 
Format (ODF). OpenOffice is released on multiple platforms.  Its 
localizations  have supported 110 languages worldwide.


* Most Important Items To Address Toward Graduation *

  1. Review of distributed articles to ensure compliance with ASF policy
  2. Given the size and scope of OpenOffice, continue work on 	 
"community readiness" espeically with refgard to

organization and communication style.
  3. Increase size and diversity of the active development community

We have started preliminary discussion concerning graduation, and are 
putting renewed emphasis on the above items

as we would like to propose graduation within the next month.

* Issues for IPMC or ASF Board Awareness *

  - None

* Community Development Progress *

  - Since our last report we have voted in 5 (?) new Committers/PPMC 
members.

  - Since our last report, one committer/PPMC member has resigned
  - We have improved to act more as a self organized project to address
and solve project related topics (eg. budget transfer from SPI, 
forum moderation).
  - We accepted an offer from SourceForge to host our older 3.3 version 
and provide client installs of our latest release 3.4.
This decision was arrived after much discussion among members and 
consulation with mentors.
  - Due to heightened interest, we are putting more resources 
(services, volunteers) into translation efforts
  - We are putting more effort into addressing trademark and 
third-party distributin requests. Ongoing emphasis as to
how to accomodate and track these requests is becoming an important 
concern.
  - We are putting renewed emphasis on recruitment to assist with 
maintaiing now abandoned former native-language project web sites.


* Project Development Progress *

  - We released Apache OpenOffice 3.4 on May 8, 2012.
This release included:
  Five different client platform install versions in 15 languages
  Source tarbalss in Engligh
  Software development kit packaging for 5 platforms
  Language packs for 15 languages

A summary of downloads for the installs can be found at:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/timeline

	We would like to publicly acknowledge the efforts of our mentors, the 
Apache infrastructure team, and the wonderful folks at SourceForge in 
making this release a success!



  - We are currently working on an alternate repository for category-B 
code to comply with graduation requirements
  - Prepartion was made in May for importing IBM Symphony changes into 
the OpenOffice repository

This should be complete by the time of the June board meeting.
  - Work is continuing on making translation processes easier for 
volunteers. Currently, only committers can access the Pootel server.
  - Testing and implementation of old update service for OpenOffice has 
been accomplished. This service is for older OpenOffice clients to 
identify updates and, optionally, install an update if available.

  -  need and update on this one and the mailing list numbers!!:
Community support forums remain popular with users, hitting a new
concurrency record (296)





--

MzK

"So let it rock, let it roll
Let the bible belt come and save my soul
Hold on to sixteen as long as you can
Changes come around real soon make us woman and men."
  -- "Jack and Diane", John Mellencamp

Re: [Traducción]Consistencia de nombres en Calc

2012-06-05 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile

Hi Ricardo,

On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 10:20:39PM +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> El amigo Salva, siempre atento a los detalles ha llamado la atención
> en los foros al hecho que en Calc a veces de dice «AutoFiltro» y en
> otras ocasiones «Filtro automático», tanto en la interfaz como en la
> ayuda y que sería mejor homogeneizar la nomenclatura.
> 
> La duda es cuál de las dos opciones tomar: mirando un poco en Pootle
> me parece que ambas expresiones están traduciendo «AutoFilter».
> 
> El castellano no ama tanto como el inglés las palabras compuestas, por
> lo que parecería más lógico utilizar «Filtro Automático» ¿Qué les
> parece?

I guess this was intended for ooo-general-es (where we are few, but
good).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [Traducción]Consistencia de nombres en Calc

2012-06-05 Thread Alexandro Colorado

2012/6/5 RGB ES 

> El amigo Salva, siempre atento a los detalles ha llamado la atención
> en los foros al hecho que en Calc a veces de dice «AutoFiltro» y en
> otras ocasiones «Filtro automático», tanto en la interfaz como en la
> ayuda y que sería mejor homogeneizar la nomenclatura.
>
> La duda es cuál de las dos opciones tomar: mirando un poco en Pootle
> me parece que ambas expresiones están traduciendo «AutoFilter».
>
> El castellano no ama tanto como el inglés las palabras compuestas, por
> lo que parecería más lógico utilizar «Filtro Automático» ¿Qué les
> parece?
>
+1

>
> Saludos
> Ricardo
>

[Traducción]Consistencia de nombres en Calc

El amigo Salva, siempre atento a los detalles ha llamado la atención
en los foros al hecho que en Calc a veces de dice «AutoFiltro» y en
otras ocasiones «Filtro automático», tanto en la interfaz como en la
ayuda y que sería mejor homogeneizar la nomenclatura.

La duda es cuál de las dos opciones tomar: mirando un poco en Pootle
me parece que ambas expresiones están traduciendo «AutoFilter».

El castellano no ama tanto como el inglés las palabras compuestas, por
lo que parecería más lógico utilizar «Filtro Automático» ¿Qué les
parece?

Saludos
Ricardo

Re: [WWW] A "New" look for /why pages

Hi,

Am 05.06.2012 um 20:05 schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile :

> Hi *,
> 
> I converted the (ugly?) /why pages 
> http://www.openoffice.org/why/
> 
> to (ugly, but not that much) MarkDown files, you can see how it looks in 
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/why/new/
> 
> This is a temporary solution until we find someone that creates a new
> design. If there are no complaints, I'll replace the old pages with the
> new ones. It didn't modify the content, so feel free to do so and fix
> any issue you find.
> 

+1 for the new page - it looks better from my point of view.

Best regards, Oliver.
> Regards
> -- 
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina

Re: [WWW] A "New" look for /why pages

2012-06-05 Thread drew

On Tue, 2012-06-05 at 20:11 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> 2012/6/5 Ariel Constenla-Haile :
> > Hi *,
> >
> > I converted the (ugly?) /why pages
> > http://www.openoffice.org/why/
> >
> > to (ugly, but not that much) MarkDown files, you can see how it looks in
> > http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/why/new/
> >
> > This is a temporary solution until we find someone that creates a new
> > design. If there are no complaints, I'll replace the old pages with the
> > new ones. It didn't modify the content, so feel free to do so and fix
> > any issue you find.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > Ariel Constenla-Haile
> > La Plata, Argentina
> 
> The new version look a lot better (and do not deserve being called "ugly" ;) )
> 
> +1 for me

I agree that is a very nice update.. good work. Another +1 to have you
make the switch.

//drew

> 
> Regards
> Ricardo
>

Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM, chengjh  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We see,the old OpenOffice.org wiki
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page  has accumulated plenty
> of valuable information,including planning,function specification,technical
> documents and so on..Currently,the planning and project tracking parts have
> been moved to
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home,that means a
> new start of the project.Because the two wikis are two different wiki
> software systems,moreover, there are existing different writing styles
> between them and writers need accounts for them respectively, it is not
> convenient for writers to write wiki articles when switching between
> them...So, I propose to create a new wiki for developers to record
> technical documents,technical review,proposals/ideas,function specification
> and design,and so on by sub-project categories, for example,we can move the

We actually already have a 3rd wiki, for developers:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home

Here is the history:

The MediaWiki instance was the legacy wiki, used by OpenOffce.org project

When the Apache project was create, we had two new wiki's created.
Remember at that time we had not yet migrated the MediaWiki over to
Apache, and it was not certain whether we would be able to do it.

The two new wikis were:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+HomeThis
was the "community wiki" where anyone could create an account and edit
content.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Wiki+Home   This
wiki was restricted to committers.

The OOODEV wiki made it suitable for content that might make it into a
product release.  For example logos, draft help, etc.  If this was put
on an open wiki, where anyone would access it, then we'd need to do
much more work to track permissions if we wanted to move something
from the wiki into SVN for use in a release.  Having a wiki that was
only writable by committers ensure that the content is always under
ALv2.

If we want to go to a single wiki, I think we should resolve the
license issue.And we should also encourage CTR by ensuring that
there is an email notification for changes.  We do that for CWiki
today.

-Rob

> scope of teams section from the old OO wiki to the new wiki, or *extend the
> scope of  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home to
> include these areas. *Thus, in the future,the new wiki will only keep a
> link to the old OO wiki which takes as the history data and continue to
> accumulate new project data to benefit the project and contributors..Please
> comment...thanks.
>
> --
>
> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng

RE: [UX] The Questions for users

I am adding this here just because of the mention of career, profession, and 
employer.

If I encountered a questionnaire that asked who my employer was, I would stop 
right there and not respond.  It is an obvious asked-because-we-can useless 
question and impeaches the questionnaire source in my mind.

If I encountered a questionnaire that asked for the nature of my employment 
(employed, retired, self-employed), I would respond to that.  I would also 
answer a question about the industry my work was in.  I would answer a question 
about the number of people in the organization where I work.

I see no earthly purpose to knowing someone's employer and I don't believe it 
should be requested.  

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Shenfeng Liu [mailto:liush...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 23:56
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [UX] The Questions for users

Firstly I strong agree with Graham's that we must make very clear on what
we want to know from a survey. e.g. my first impression to Albino's
original question list was that the purpose might be to know by which
channels do our users get our product information and support... Later we
added more purpose in and generated a long list in wiki. While my personal
suggestion is that we may want to separate the long list into different
surveys, because people who take the survey will have different interest
because of their background. One survey should try to target to one certain
group, for us to make the observation to certain targets that we set. It
will not good if you take a survey and found 1/3 of the questions inside
are not what you interested, or even understand... then you might want to
quit from the survey, or generate some garbage answers by random
selections... It is just my $0.02.

BTW, I noticed that in the question list, we didn't ask for people's
career. We asked for the company, but not individual's. I suggest we add
this question, since a developer is likely to have a quite different view
to an executive...

- Simon

2012/6/5 Kevin Grignon 

> KG02 - see comments inline.
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2012, Graham Lauder wrote:
>
> > > KG01 - see comments inline.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Graham Lauder  >
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Questions relating to research!
> > > >
> > > > []
> > > >
> > > > > Perhaps the first survey we should conduct is a survey about what
> > sort
> > > > > of surveys our users would respond to.
> > >
> > > KG01 - Thanks for your feedback and interest in the user research
> effort.
> > > While I agree we could deploy different types of surveys to gather
> > > different types of data, I feel that a survey of surveys might induce
> > > premature survey fatigue.
> >
> > Survey fatique has already set in, that is not a new thing, that is
> > recognisable simply by those surveys conducted by SUN.  We haven't caused
> > that, it is a factor of the modern marketing malaise.  The cost of
> > incentives
> > these days, that one needs to hand out to get a significant sampling in a
> > timely manner is huge.
>
>
> KG02 - Agreed, risk of fatigue is a planning consideration.
>
> >
> > > User research, especially surveys, consumes
> > > people's time and energy.
> >
> > Indeed as I myself pointed out earlier in this thread
> >
> > > Rather, I propose we work from the other
> > > direction. If the goal of the research activity is to gather data that
> > will
> > > help us build insight and drive informed design and development
> > decisions,
> > > then we should focus the surveys on the information we need to do
> that. I
> > > have captured some comments in the wiki discussion page.
> >
> > Indeed, however if the sample of respondents is ridiculously small, as
> has
> > historically been the case, then the data is useless.
>
>
> KG02 - Perhaps, let's think positive :)
> >
> >
> > You cannot use corporate methodologies in an open source environment.  We
> > have
> > no ability to offer incentives, we therefore need to make the survey
> > process
> > as pleasant and enjoyable as possible or we need to find out from people
> > what
> > would encourage them to participate.
>
>
> KG02 - Ok. I'm not advocating corporate or open source. I'm advocating that
> we create surveys that 1) will deliver good data and 2) people will fill
> out.
>
> >
> > That requires research, I doubt it will require as big a sample as a UX
> > survey
> > but that is only because there are a limited number of answers needed.
> >
> > Every good research organisation I have worked with does short surveys to
> > find
> > out what they're doing right or wrong.
>
>
> KG02 - indeed, a useful activity.
>
>
> > For the most part they do these at the
> > end of another survey, but that is because the group of respondents they
> > are
> > questioning will probably never do the same survey again.
>
>
> KG02 - While surveys are common after usability evaluation session, nested
> surveys are new to me.

RE: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki

+1 on MediaWiki

The convergence on the Community Wiki was considered early in the migration and 
it was concluded that would not be done.  Kay Schenk might have much to add on 
that, based on her interest then and experience since.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 00:37
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki

On 6/5/12 5:11 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> KG01 - See comments inline.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:35 AM, chengjh  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> We see,the old OpenOffice.org wiki
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page  has accumulated plenty
>> of valuable information,including planning,function specification,technical
>> documents and so on..Currently,the planning and project tracking parts have
>> been moved to
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home,that means
>> a
>> new start of the project.Because the two wikis are two different wiki
>> software systems,moreover, there are existing different writing styles
>> between them and writers need accounts for them respectively, it is not
>> convenient for writers to write wiki articles when switching between
>> them...
> 
> 
> KG01 - Yes, attempting to manage and maintain content on two wikis is
> painful and inefficient.

it would be indeed nice to have only one wiki. We have unresolved issues
with the old wiki content (unclear licenses) but MediaWiki as underlying
wiki software offers more features as far as I can see and the editing
is smoother for me. Very useful extensions are used in several places
all over the wiki.

If possible I would prefer to move forward with MediaWiki

Juergen

> 
> So, I propose to create a new wiki for developers to record
>> technical documents,technical review,proposals/ideas,function specification
>> and design,and so on by sub-project categories, for example,we can move the
>> scope of teams section from the old OO wiki to the new wiki, or *extend the
>> scope of  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Hometo
>> include these areas.
> 
> 
> KG01 - While I appreciate that there is a focus on "development" in the
> open source world, I would suggest that the effort is much broader. I
> personally prefer open source product development ;) Delivering
> sustainable, compelling and delightful products is the domain of an
> interdisciplinary team, not just technical folks. Any future wiki strategy
> should address the needs of all project stakeholders and contributors.
> 
> 
>> *Thus, in the future,the new wiki will only keep a
>> link to the old OO wiki which takes as the history data and continue to
>> accumulate new project data to benefit the project and contributors..Please
>> comment...thanks.
>>
>>
> KG01 - Archiving older content as is, and including references from the new
> wiki makes sense. A one-time migration of relevant data would be important,
> however, any older content could be left as is in the archives. To help
> differentiate old versus new, we might consider a different tool. As a
> better user experience is important, this seems like a good time to move to
> a newer wiki tool.
> 
> 
>> --
>>
>> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng
>>
>

RE: The reason I removed the program called Open Office 3.4

It seems that Windows 7 Wordpad will also open for an ODT file if no Microsoft 
Office or *Office[.org] application has claimed the default.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Keith N. McKenna [mailto:keith.mcke...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 05:34
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: The reason I removed the program called Open Office 3.4

Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
>
>
> On 06/04/2012 11:07 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> .
>>> In no circumstance should AOO establish itself as a default for any file
>>> type.
>>>
>> I'd say "In no circumstance should AOO establish itself as a default
>> for any file type which is already associated with another program."
>> That is, we shouldn't "steal" file associations. If, OTOH, someone is
>> installing AOO on a box without MS Office, then it makes perfect sense
>> to make AOO the default program for .doc, .ppt, etc.
>>
>> Likewise, most people probably don't have a "native" ODF program on
>> their systems, and installing AOO as the default for ODF would
>> probably make sense in most cases.
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
> Claim is that it hijacked files from word pad. No idea what that
> extension might be, i did not ask him.
>
the default extension for wordpad is rtf and AOO does appear to define 
itself as the default for that extension.

regards
Keith

RE: Readonly on Password-protected Documents (was: NewWikiMainPage)

On the Save As ... dialog and Save with Password option, the Set Password 
dialog has a "More Options" button which is not expanded by default.  Under the 
More options is a setting for specifying that the document should be opened 
read-only with a password (separate from the encryption password) that is used 
to allow editing.

It could be that the option has been set at some point and is being propagated 
invisibly because of the way the Set Password dialog works.

Also, note that the File | Properties dialog has a Security tab and that has a 
check-box for Open File read-only and for Record changes (which I believe is to 
prevent recording of changes being turned off).  

I observed, in LibreOffice not OpenOffice, some "sticking" of the read-only 
option even when it had been cleared.  This was in some testing I had been 
doing around use of protections (the read-only case) as well as encryption. In 
my case, it sometimes took several tries at clearing the read-only flag with 
Save As ... to new file copies before the document became editable.  There were 
also problems with the a Save As ... of an opened encrypted document being 
silently encrypted with the same password.  I may have filed a LibreOffice bug 
but I don't have a record of that.

It may well be that whatever the defect is, it was in the OpenOffice.org 
ooo-dev 3.4 and the contributed code base but not in the OpenOffice.org 3.3.0.  
I never checked that far back.

 - Dennis

PS: The inclusion of a protection feature in this obscure place as part of a 
document privacy feature is also objectionable, but that's a different matter.  
The labeling of File sharing options as a "Security" rather than a Protection 
provision on the File | Properties dialog is also objectionable.  (Same 
different matter.)

-Original Message-
From: imacat [mailto:ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 05:16
To: Apache OpenOffice Developers
Subject: Readonly on Password-protected Documents (was: NewWikiMainPage)

Dear Phil,

Reading again, I found that this is unrelated to Wiki.  I renamed
the subject.

I cannot verify this on my 3.4.0, 3.3.0 and 3.2.1, Debian linux
x86_64.  What OpenOffice version and OS version are you using?

On 2012/06/04 21:40, Phil Sargent said:
> Below is a follow-up question regarding the response I received from Rob 
> Weir. I still cannot password protect a document without it becoming read 
> only even after carefully following the steps outlined in the help menu.
> 
> Thanks for your assistance.
> 
> Phil Sargent
> - Original Message - 
> From: Phil Sargent 
> To: Rob Weir 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:27 AM
> Subject: Re: NewWikiMainPage
> 
> 
> Rob, 
> 
> Thanks for the quick response. I tried the process in paragraph 1 below and 
> could still not edit the doc. When I hit the edit icon on the read only the 
> document  there was a border around it, no password was requested and I 
> couldn't make changes.
> 
> Can you give me instruction on where and how to save the document with a file 
> encryption password. I have been doing it through the "Save As" control and 
> then "Save with Password" which causes it to become read only.
> 
> I have also tried it through the Security tool bar and not checked read only, 
> but once I attach a password it becomes read only even if the box is not 
> checked. 
> 
> I checked the help menu and saved as instructed below in that and it became 
> read only. Also I could not remove the password by unclicking the box.
> 
>   
> Protecting All Documents When Saving
> All documents that are saved in OpenDocument format can be saved with a 
> password. Documents that are saved with a password cannot be opened without 
> the password. The content is secured so that it cannot be read with an 
> external editor. This applies to content, graphics and OLE objects.
> 
>   Turning on protection
>  Choose File - Save As and mark the Save with password check box. Save 
> the document.
>  
>   Turning off protection
>  Open the document, entering the correct password. Choose File - Save As 
> and clear the Save with password check box.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I never had this problem before I went to the recent upgrade of 3.3.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phil
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Rob Weir 
>   To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>   Cc: Phil Sargent 
>   Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:22 PM
>   Subject: Re: NewWikiMainPage
> 
> 
>   On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Phil Sargent  wrote:
>   > I am trying to password protect a document. When I do this it then opens 
> as a "Read Only" document and cannot be changed. To make changes I need to 
> "Copy and Paste" make the changes, and then re-save with password protection 
> which changes it back to "Read Only". Is there a way to password protect , 
> but not have the document as "Read Only" when next opened.
>   >
> 
> 
>   Hi Phil,
> 
>   It sounds like the document was saved with a "file sharing p

Free Speech, Privacy and Technology Article Follow-Up

2012-06-05 Thread Fiona Causer


Hi There,

I wanted to follow up with you about an email I sent a couple weeks ago asking 
if you wanted to read an article I recently wrote for an educational project of 
mine. The article discusses the amazingly complex and highly interesting 
relationship between technological advancement and law. In particular, the 
article covers issues related to personal privacy and free speech.

I had contacted you initially because I thought you might be interested in 
reading it. Please let me know if you would like to take a look at it and I 
will send it to you for your perusal.

I look forward to hearing from you soon,

Fiona Causer

Re: [WWW] A "New" look for /why pages

2012/6/5 Ariel Constenla-Haile :
> Hi *,
>
> I converted the (ugly?) /why pages
> http://www.openoffice.org/why/
>
> to (ugly, but not that much) MarkDown files, you can see how it looks in
> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/why/new/
>
> This is a temporary solution until we find someone that creates a new
> design. If there are no complaints, I'll replace the old pages with the
> new ones. It didn't modify the content, so feel free to do so and fix
> any issue you find.
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina

The new version look a lot better (and do not deserve being called "ugly" ;) )

+1 for me

Regards
Ricardo

[WWW] A "New" look for /why pages

2012-06-05 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile

Hi *,

I converted the (ugly?) /why pages 
http://www.openoffice.org/why/

to (ugly, but not that much) MarkDown files, you can see how it looks in 
http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/why/new/

This is a temporary solution until we find someone that creates a new
design. If there are no complaints, I'll replace the old pages with the
new ones. It didn't modify the content, so feel free to do so and fix
any issue you find.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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How Can My Business Use OpenOffice Base?

2012-06-05 Thread Cynthia Woo

Good Afternoon,I am currently working for Mentor Works Ltd. a small consulting company that specializes in government funding options available to small to medium sizes businesses. We are currently looking for a program that would help systemize the business. Due to hundreds of government funding options available to businesses, we are looking to create a database with all the different government funding options and their eligibility. I have attached a copy of the excel spreadsheet we are currently using which gets very confusing. At the end, we want this database to be able to choose the best government funding option for a company that approaches us. For example, if Company A is in the IT industry and is looking to hire a marketing post graduate student to help with research & development, we can easily find the number of programs right for their business challenge by a simple search/click.Please let me know if you have a representative who would be able to speak with me.Thank you for your time,
Cynthia WooBusiness Funding Analyst, Mentor Works Ltd.m: 519 722-3727 | w: www.mentorworks.ca

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Re: [Draft] How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice

2012-06-05 Thread Donald Whytock

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> 4) The translation work is separate from almost any other topic on
> ooo-dev.  Testers need to know about ongoing dev work.  Ditto for
> porters, UX, documentation, etc.  But translation is more of an
> isolated activity.

If the i18n@ list is created, you might want to include a suggestion
for them to be on announce@ too, as part of the instructions.  They
should be aware of new releases, which may include new functionality,
which may involve new translation needs.

Don

Re: [UX] The Questions for users

2012-06-05 Thread Albino B Neto

Hi.

2012/6/4 Kevin Grignon :
> Let's review this pool of available questions and select the most useful
> for our survey.

Join useful with the pleasent. :)

>Once we have a draft, let's call for reviewers, as their
> are some values we'll need to verify.

Yeah!

Albino

Re: [Draft] How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> On 04/06/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> [ I'd love to start a new list, ooo-i...@incubator.apache.org to
>> handle this and the following translation coordination issues ]
>
>
> I'm not sure the current traffic would justify it, but at due time it would
> make sense (and as Juergen wrote the name should be "l10n" or "i18n").
>

Here's what I'm seeing:

1) We're getting someone pop onto the ooo-dev list at frequent
intervals, offering to help with translations.  But only some of them
are succeeding.

2) Some who want to translate are not even jumping onto the ooo-dev
list because it is too large and scary.  For example, I received a
note last week from someone who wanted to help with a translation.
Paraphrasing the note I received:

"The information overflow on this ooo-dev really scares me and and
takes too much time away from my other priorities.  If you possibly
could provide a much more focused environment for localization efforts
I might be able to help.   But this environment must provide
"step-to-step" guides on what to do, and resources to facilitate the
translation process."

3) There is a "natural size" to the translation effort.  For every
language we support, there will naturally be at least once person.
Yes, some languages will be worked on by multiple people, and some
talented translators might help with more than one language.  But on
average, we should anticipate having as many people as we have
languages.  So that would be around 100 people.  Although we don't
have that many right now, it is reasonable to expect we get closer to
that number, if we provide a supportive environment in which to do
this work.

4) The translation work is separate from almost any other topic on
ooo-dev.  Testers need to know about ongoing dev work.  Ditto for
porters, UX, documentation, etc.  But translation is more of an
isolated activity.

5) The translation work is also on a different schedule than the main
work on ooo-dev.  A translator might get involved for a week on a
release, near the end, and then be inactive for months more.  So a
focused list, where they can remain subscribed to, and see a generally
low traffic level, is ideal.  The traffic picks up at some point in a
release, after the features are added and translations need to be
updated.  But the traffic can be lower at other times.

>
>> 1) You can send a note to the ooo-dev list [or ooo-i10n list if we
>> make one] requesting the PO file for that language.
>
>
> It is a set of files, so everything around here should be plural.
>
>
>> [ I need a list of some suggested tools that can be used with PO files ]
>
>
> It will be enough to list http://www.poedit.net/ (it's even category A, for
> those sensitive to differences among free software licenses).
>
>
>> [ A separate topic, and one where we could use an equivalent document,
>> would be How to Help Translate the Website ]
>
>
> Yes but I wasn't able to find effective ways to do so as non-committers,
> even though I've read somewhere that the bookmarklet should support
> suggestions from anonymous users.
>
> Regards,
>  Andrea.

Re: The new fetch_tarballs.sh

2012-06-05 Thread Pedro Giffuni


--- Mar 5/6/12, Andre Fischer  ha scritto:
..
> Hi Pedro,
> 
> On 04.06.2012 22:05, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> > Thank you Andre!
> > 
> > I normally dislike perl but external_libs.lst surely
> > looks nice now.
> 
> Thanks. Well, I dislike Python and did not want to introduce
> yet another scripting language.
>

That's fine. 

> > 
> > One wish for the future .. hmm.. if I use the external
> > package (for example for python) it would be nice to
> > disable downloading the corresponding tarballs too.
> 
> That is possibly now by just changing the data file. I
> provided the script.  We all can provide the data.
> 
> There are other things to do, not necessary but nice to
> have:
> 
> - Fill in the missing original download sites.
> 
> - Solve the issues with mismatching MD5 sums.
> 
> - (mentioned above) Guard more libraries with the same flags
> that control in their makefiles whether they are build.
>

Oh, BTW, I didn't carry the checksummed license texts
in ooo-extras: they are simply useless for building.
I moved the relevant parts of the texts to the download
descriptions, it seemed more reasonable to have there.

I am thinking of adding support for binary blobs
in both rhino and saxon as the Apache policy is OK
about carrying Java binaries.

Pedro.

> > 
> > BTW, should I also upload the Category A tarballs to
> > ooo-extras?
> 
> For me that is a question of convenience.  Moving them
> (not just copying them) to another site would mean that a
> simple SVN checkout would not put these tarballs on your
> local disk.
> 
> Regards,
> Andre
> 
> [...]
>

Re: Language analysis -> pootle and repo

2012-06-05 Thread Juergen Schmidt

Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2012 um 17:09 schrieb Kazunari Hirano:
> Hi Jürgen,
>  
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
>  
> This page may help you.
I wasn't aware of this page, thanks for sharing  
>  
> I tried to complete your table.
> =
> English Name, ISO, Pootle known,
> -
> Assamese, as, no,
> Belarusian, be_BY, no,
> Breton, br, yes,
> Bodo, brx,
> Catalan (Valencian), ca_XV,
> Dogri, dgo, no,
> Greek, el, yes,
> Esperanto, eo, yes,
> Basque, eu, yes,
> Croatian, hr, yes,
> Lojban, jbo, yes,
> Kabyle, kab,
> Kazakh, kk, yes,
> Khmer, km, yes,
> Konkani, kok,
> Kashmiri, ks, no,
> Maithili, mai, yes,
> Macedonian, mk, yes,
> Mongolian, mn, yes,
> Manipuri, mni,
> Burmese, my, no,
> Nepali, ne, yes,
> Ndebele, nr,
> Nyanja, ny,
> (Afan) Oromo, om, no,
> Punjabi, pa_IN,
> Romanian, ro, yes,
> Kinyarwanda, rw, no,
> Sanskrit, sa_IN,
> Santali, sat,
> Sardinian, sc,
> Sindhi, sd, no,
> Serbo-Croatian, sh, no
> Sinhala, si, yes,
> Slovenian, sl, yes,
> Serbian, sr, yes,
> Siswati, ss, no,
> Swahili, sw_TZ,
> Tajik, tg, yes,
> Setswana, tn, no,
> Tsonga, ts, no,
> Uyghur, ug, yes,
> Uzbek, uz, yes,
> Xhosa, xh, no,
> =
> Not all of them are found in the following page.
> http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/l10n/pluralforms
>  
Thanks

Juergen
  
>  
> Thanks,
> khirano
>  
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
> wrote:
>  
> > Hi,
> >  
> > I have checked the languages that we have in our repository with the
> > languages on pootle etc.
> >  
> > I found several languages in our repo that are not yet on pootle. And I
> > have identified some languages of them that are not known to pootle at
> > all on [1]. And for some languages codes I have no idea and would like
> > to ask you for help:
> >  
> >  
> > English Name ISO Pootle known
> > ---
> > Assamese as no
> > ? be_BY no
> > Breton br yes
> > ? brx
> > ? ca_XV ca = Catalan
> > Dogri dgo no
> > Greek el yes
> > Esperanto eo yes
> > Basque eu yes
> > Croatian hr yes
> > Lojban jbo yes
> > ? kab ka = Georgian
> > Kazakh kk yes
> > Khmer km yes
> > ? kok ko = Korean
> > Kashmiri ks no
> > Maithili mai yes
> > Macedonian mk yes
> > Mongolian mn yes
> > ? mni mn = Mongolian
> > Burmese my no
> > Nepali ne yes
> > ? nr
> > ? ny
> > (Afan) Oromo om no
> > ? pa_IN pa = Punjabi
> > Romanian ro yes
> > Kinyarwanda rw no
> > ? sa_IN sa = Sanskrit
> > ? sat
> > ? sc
> > Sindhi sd no
> > Serbo-Croatian sh no
> > Sinhala si yes
> > Slovenian sl yes
> > Serbian sr yes
> > Siswati ss no
> > ? sw_TZ sw = Swahili
> > Tajik tg yes
> > Setswana tn no
> > Tsonga ts no
> > Uyghur ug yes
> > Uzbek uz yes
> > Xhosa xh no
> >  
> > I think it is probably ok to use:
> >  
> > pa_IN = Punjabi (India)
> > sa_IN = Sanskrit (India)
> > sw_TZ = Swahili (Tansania)
> >  
> > Can anybody help with the others and have an idea about the plural
> > header for the po files? See [1]
> >  
> > Thanks
> >  
> > Juergen
> >  
> >  
> > [1] http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/l10n/pluralforms
>  
>  
>  
> --  
> khir...@apache.org
> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>  
>

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2012 ([ppmc])

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
wrote:

> On 6/5/12 1:14 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > Top posting--
> >
> > Folks, I will note that we apparently didn't submit a report for May -- I
> > guess we were all too busy with the release. So...this is due this coming
> > Wed, June 6th.  I will help if I can. We could at least mention that
> we're
> > starting the discussion on graduation. And, get them caught up on our new
> > committers and PPMC members.
>
> we had a first release, worth to mention ;-)
>
> Juergen
>
>
ya think! ;)


yes, definitely :)


> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Marvin  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear podling,
> >>
> >> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
> >> Incubator PMC.
> >> It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your
> >> quarterly
> >> board report.
> >>
> >> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 20 June 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The
> >> report
> >> for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The
> >> Incubator PMC
> >> requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting,
> to
> >> allow
> >> sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Jun 6th).
> >>
> >> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator
> PMC,
> >> and
> >> subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest
> you
> >> should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> The Apache Incubator PMC
> >>
> >> Submitting your Report
> >> --
> >>
> >> Your report should contain the following:
> >>
> >>  * Your project name
> >>  * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
> the
> >> project
> >>   or necessarily of its field
> >>  * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
> towards
> >>   graduation.
> >>  * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
> >> aware of
> >>  * How has the community developed since the last report
> >>  * How has the project developed since the last report.
> >>
> >> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
> >>
> >>  http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012
> >>
> >> Note: This manually populated. You may need to wait a little before this
> >> page is
> >>  created from a template.
> >>
> >> Mentors
> >> ---
> >> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on
> the
> >> Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are following
> the
> >> project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms for the
> Incubator
> >> PMC.
> >>
> >> Incubator PMC
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>


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Re: Language analysis -> pootle and repo

2012-06-05 Thread Kazunari Hirano

Hi Jürgen,

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages

This page may help you.

I tried to complete your table.
=
English Name, ISO, Pootle known,
-
Assamese, as, no,
Belarusian, be_BY, no,
Breton, br, yes,
Bodo, brx,
Catalan (Valencian), ca_XV,
Dogri, dgo, no,
Greek, el, yes,
Esperanto, eo, yes,
Basque, eu, yes,
Croatian, hr, yes,
Lojban, jbo, yes,
Kabyle, kab,
Kazakh, kk, yes,
Khmer, km, yes,
Konkani, kok,
Kashmiri, ks, no,
Maithili, mai, yes,
Macedonian, mk, yes,
Mongolian, mn, yes,
Manipuri, mni,
Burmese, my, no,
Nepali, ne, yes,
Ndebele, nr,
Nyanja, ny,
(Afan) Oromo, om, no,
Punjabi, pa_IN,
Romanian, ro, yes,
Kinyarwanda, rw, no,
Sanskrit, sa_IN,
Santali, sat,
Sardinian, sc,
Sindhi, sd, no,
Serbo-Croatian, sh, no
Sinhala, si, yes,
Slovenian, sl, yes,
Serbian, sr, yes,
Siswati, ss, no,
Swahili, sw_TZ,
Tajik, tg, yes,
Setswana, tn, no,
Tsonga, ts, no,
Uyghur, ug, yes,
Uzbek, uz, yes,
Xhosa, xh, no,
=
Not all of them are found in the following page.
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/l10n/pluralforms

Thanks,
khirano

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have checked the languages that we have in our repository with the
> languages on pootle etc.
>
> I found several languages in our repo that are not yet on pootle. And I
> have identified some languages of them that are not known to pootle at
> all on [1]. And for some languages codes I have no idea and would like
> to ask you for help:
>
>
> English NameISOPootle known
> ---
> Assameseas no
> ?   be_BY  no
> Breton  br yes
> ?   brx
> ?   ca_XV   ca = Catalan
> Dogri   dgono
> Greek   el yes
> Esperanto   eo yes
> Basque  eu yes
> Croatianhr yes
> Lojban  jboyes
> ?   kab ka = Georgian
> Kazakh  kk yes
> Khmer   km yes
> ?   kok ko = Korean
> Kashmiriks no
> Maithilimaiyes
> Macedonian  mk yes
> Mongolian   mn yes
> ?   mni mn = Mongolian
> Burmese my no
> Nepali  ne yes
> ?   nr
> ?   ny
> (Afan) Oromoom no
> ?   pa_IN   pa = Punjabi
> Romanianro yes
> Kinyarwanda rw no
> ?   sa_IN   sa = Sanskrit
> ?   sat
> ?   sc
> Sindhi  sd no
> Serbo-Croatian  sh no
> Sinhala si yes
> Slovenian   sl yes
> Serbian sr yes
> Siswati ss no
> ?   sw_TZ   sw = Swahili
> Tajik   tg yes
> Setswanatn no
> Tsonga  ts no
> Uyghur  ug yes
> Uzbek   uz yes
> Xhosa   xh no
>
> I think it is probably ok to use:
>
> pa_IN = Punjabi (India)
> sa_IN = Sanskrit (India)
> sw_TZ = Swahili (Tansania)
>
> Can anybody help with the others and have an idea about the plural
> header for the po files? See [1]
>
> Thanks
>
> Juergen
>
>
> [1] http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/l10n/pluralforms
>

-- 
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Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

Re: Missing Extensions: PDFImport for Mac

2012-06-05 Thread Roberto Galoppini

Hi all,

 Louis kindly provided me with an old version, I was just wondering if
Andrew or someone else from Oracle could actually help us with that,
especially considering that the Oracle PDF Import extension is still a
hit.

Thanks,

Roberto

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Roberto Galoppini  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> http://ooopackages.good-day.net doesn't serve that download anymore, it's
> dead.
>
> Maho can you help me?
>
> Roberto

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Language analysis -> pootle and repo

Hi,

I have checked the languages that we have in our repository with the
languages on pootle etc.

I found several languages in our repo that are not yet on pootle. And I
have identified some languages of them that are not known to pootle at
all on [1]. And for some languages codes I have no idea and would like
to ask you for help:


English NameISOPootle known
---
Assameseas no
?   be_BY  no
Breton  br yes
?   brx
?   ca_XV   ca = Catalan
Dogri   dgono
Greek   el yes
Esperanto   eo yes
Basque  eu yes
Croatianhr yes
Lojban  jboyes
?   kab ka = Georgian
Kazakh  kk yes
Khmer   km yes
?   kok ko = Korean
Kashmiriks no
Maithilimaiyes
Macedonian  mk yes
Mongolian   mn yes
?   mni mn = Mongolian
Burmese my no
Nepali  ne yes
?   nr
?   ny
(Afan) Oromoom no
?   pa_IN   pa = Punjabi
Romanianro yes
Kinyarwanda rw no
?   sa_IN   sa = Sanskrit
?   sat
?   sc
Sindhi  sd no
Serbo-Croatian  sh no
Sinhala si yes
Slovenian   sl yes
Serbian sr yes
Siswati ss no
?   sw_TZ   sw = Swahili
Tajik   tg yes
Setswanatn no
Tsonga  ts no
Uyghur  ug yes
Uzbek   uz yes
Xhosa   xh no

I think it is probably ok to use:

pa_IN = Punjabi (India)
sa_IN = Sanskrit (India)
sw_TZ = Swahili (Tansania)

Can anybody help with the others and have an idea about the plural
header for the po files? See [1]

Thanks

Juergen


[1] http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/l10n/pluralforms

Re: unexpected experience with OOo 3.2 update service [was: Re: [HEADS UP][UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" will be active today at 10:00 (GMT+2)]

2012-06-05 Thread Roberto Galoppini

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 05.06.2012 11:40, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
>>   wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> just for your interest.
>>>
>>> I will activate the OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" today at 10:00
>>> (GMT+2).
>>> In the "first phase" Italian OOo 3.3 instances on Windows, MacOS X, Linux
>>> 32bit and Linux 64bit will be notified through the update functionality
>>> that
>>> AOO 3.4 is available. The users will be directed to the Italian download
>>> page [1].
>>
>>
>> I started testing OpenOffice.org 3.2, and the application told me that
>> there was an update available.
>> The browser opened the following page:
>> http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index_it.html?cid=920897
>> that actually doesn't work.
>>
>> So I did disinstall OOo 3.2 and the browser pointed to the following
>> page: http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/deinstall that actually
>> doesn't work.
>> After installing OOo 3.3 the application didn't check automatically,
>> not even after I set the daily check for updates
>> Then I did check it and I've been redirected to
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/?utm_source=OOo3_3&utm_medium=Client&utm_campaign=Upgrade
>> as expected, and I eventually downloaded the AOO 3.4 file.
>>
>> Guess we need to double check what's going on with OOo 3.2, I didn't
>> expect it to say there are updates, though.
>>
>
> What you have experienced with your OOo 3.2 installation is really
> unexpected.
>
> I have a clean OOo 3.2 installation on my Windows 7 machine. Its UpdateURL
> is http://update34.services.openoffice.org/ProductUpdateService/check.Update
> which currently can not be resolved to any existing HTTP resource. Thus, my
> OOo 3.2 installation reports that the update check fails.
> Thus, I have no glue, why your OOo 3.2 installation could report an
> available update.
> I do not assume that you have a backup of your OOo 3.2 installation. If you
> have it nevertheless, please share the "version.ini" resp. "versionrc" file,
> found in the program folder of this installation, with me.

Olivier you're right, I don't have a backup of that installation, and
actually I just erased that and moved to OOo 3.3 to test the AOO 3.4
auto-update. Maybe someone else can test it and report here?

Roberto

> Best regards, Oliver.

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Re: [HEADS UP][UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" will be active today at 10:00 (GMT+2)


On 05/06/2012 Rob Weir wrote:

how many clicked that link, and then what % of them downloaded.
So by that definition, the conversion rate is 59%.  But what is odd is
the breakdown by operating system:
Windows 66%
Mac 30%
Linux 63%
So something seems odd about the low conversion rate for Mac users.


I read this as "out of 100 Windows users, 66 download the new version" 
and so on right? So the "oddity" would be that only 30 out of 100 Mac 
users actually initiate the download.



Could someone check to the Italian website to make sure we're not
saying something confusing or incorrect about the Mac port?


The texts haven't changed and there isn't anything specific about the 
Mac version (we merely specify it's for Intel architecture, but this has 
been there for years too). Moreover, versions are listed on the right 
hand side of http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/ too in case 
autodetect fails and the user cannot realize that the "Other platforms" 
link is what he needs.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [HEADS UP][UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" will be active today at 10:00 (GMT+2)


Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I had a clean Italian OOo 3.3 installation on a Windows 7 machine.
After I had turned on the daily update check and after a restart it
takes 2-3 minutes until OOo 3.3 reports that an AOO 3.4 update is
available.


This is in agreement with the tests volunteers did so far.

About 3.2, indeed it seems that the relevant hostnames are still 
inactive as expected, so I can't explain the problem Roberto reported. 
But I don't have a versionrc file available for inspection.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: The reason I removed the program called Open Office 3.4

2012-06-05 Thread Keith N. McKenna


Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:



On 06/04/2012 11:07 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote:

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
.

In no circumstance should AOO establish itself as a default for any file
type.


I'd say "In no circumstance should AOO establish itself as a default
for any file type which is already associated with another program."
That is, we shouldn't "steal" file associations. If, OTOH, someone is
installing AOO on a box without MS Office, then it makes perfect sense
to make AOO the default program for .doc, .ppt, etc.

Likewise, most people probably don't have a "native" ODF program on
their systems, and installing AOO as the default for ODF would
probably make sense in most cases.


Phil


Claim is that it hijacked files from word pad. No idea what that
extension might be, i did not ask him.

the default extension for wordpad is rtf and AOO does appear to define 
itself as the default for that extension.


regards
Keith

Re: [HEADS UP][UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" will be active today at 10:00 (GMT+2)

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> just for your interest.
>
> I will activate the OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" today at 10:00
> (GMT+2).
> In the "first phase" Italian OOo 3.3 instances on Windows, MacOS X, Linux
> 32bit and Linux 64bit will be notified through the update functionality that
> AOO 3.4 is available. The users will be directed to the Italian download
> page [1].
>

I took a quick look at the Google Analytics numbers. Italy is showing
up as the top download country, more than Germany.  It is hard to
speak about comparative numbers, since we only have full-day counts
for SF downloads, and this update process started mid day.  But in a
few days we should have a good sense.

One thing I did look at was the "conversion" rate for the updates.
This, from the GA perspective:

# of Users who downloaded OpenOffice / # of users who followed the
link to the upgrade.

I don't know how many people were show the upgrade dialog.  I only
know how many clicked that link, and then what % of them downloaded.

So by that definition, the conversion rate is 59%.  But what is odd is
the breakdown by operating system:

Windows 66%
Mac 30%
Linux 63%

So something seems odd about the low conversion rate for Mac users.
Could someone check to the Italian website to make sure we're not
saying something confusing or incorrect about the Mac port?

-Rob

> We want to run the first phase until Friday, 2012-06-08, in order to check,
> if the generated download traffic can be handled.
> Afterwards, it is planned to activate the OOo 3.3 update service for all
> platform and language combinations for which we have an AOO 3.4 installation
> package available.
>
> [1] http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.

Readonly on Password-protected Documents (was: NewWikiMainPage)

2012-06-05 Thread imacat

Dear Phil,

Reading again, I found that this is unrelated to Wiki.  I renamed
the subject.

I cannot verify this on my 3.4.0, 3.3.0 and 3.2.1, Debian linux
x86_64.  What OpenOffice version and OS version are you using?

On 2012/06/04 21:40, Phil Sargent said:
> Below is a follow-up question regarding the response I received from Rob 
> Weir. I still cannot password protect a document without it becoming read 
> only even after carefully following the steps outlined in the help menu.
> 
> Thanks for your assistance.
> 
> Phil Sargent
> - Original Message - 
> From: Phil Sargent 
> To: Rob Weir 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:27 AM
> Subject: Re: NewWikiMainPage
> 
> 
> Rob, 
> 
> Thanks for the quick response. I tried the process in paragraph 1 below and 
> could still not edit the doc. When I hit the edit icon on the read only the 
> document  there was a border around it, no password was requested and I 
> couldn't make changes.
> 
> Can you give me instruction on where and how to save the document with a file 
> encryption password. I have been doing it through the "Save As" control and 
> then "Save with Password" which causes it to become read only.
> 
> I have also tried it through the Security tool bar and not checked read only, 
> but once I attach a password it becomes read only even if the box is not 
> checked. 
> 
> I checked the help menu and saved as instructed below in that and it became 
> read only. Also I could not remove the password by unclicking the box.
> 
>   
> Protecting All Documents When Saving
> All documents that are saved in OpenDocument format can be saved with a 
> password. Documents that are saved with a password cannot be opened without 
> the password. The content is secured so that it cannot be read with an 
> external editor. This applies to content, graphics and OLE objects.
> 
>   Turning on protection
>  Choose File - Save As and mark the Save with password check box. Save 
> the document.
>  
>   Turning off protection
>  Open the document, entering the correct password. Choose File - Save As 
> and clear the Save with password check box.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I never had this problem before I went to the recent upgrade of 3.3.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phil
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Rob Weir 
>   To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>   Cc: Phil Sargent 
>   Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:22 PM
>   Subject: Re: NewWikiMainPage
> 
> 
>   On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Phil Sargent  wrote:
>   > I am trying to password protect a document. When I do this it then opens 
> as a "Read Only" document and cannot be changed. To make changes I need to 
> "Copy and Paste" make the changes, and then re-save with password protection 
> which changes it back to "Read Only". Is there a way to password protect , 
> but not have the document as "Read Only" when next opened.
>   >
> 
> 
>   Hi Phil,
> 
>   It sounds like the document was saved with a "file sharing password".
>   When the document is loaded, look for the "edit file" icon on the
>   toolbar.  If you click that it will prompt you for the password and
>   then switch into edit mode.
> 
>   But note that it is not typical to use the "file sharing password"
>   feature.  If you don't want the read-only behavior you should just
>   save with the "file encryption" password/
> 
>   Regards,
> 
>   -Rob
> 
>   > Thank you
>   >
>   > Phillipss1946
> 
> 
>   -
>   No virus found in this message.
>   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>   Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5029 - Release Date: 05/28/12
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Re: [UX] [Request for Input] Survey Design - What data do you need to help drive informed design and development decisions?

2012/6/5 Kevin Grignon :
> Hello All,
>
> A survey is being developed to capture input and feedback from our users.
>
> A number of great candidate questions have been submitted. Now we need to
> refine the questions, compile the surveys and move towards deployment.
>
> To ensure that our survey captures data that will help drive informed
> design and development decisions within the community, your input would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> All disciplines and focal areas are encouraged to share their research data
> needs. We can select the questions that best realize your data research
> needs.
>
> Visit the AOO UX wiki to review the current survey question candidates and
> join the discussion:
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Research_Surveys
>
> Looking forward to your input.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin

Something about workflow? For example, ask the user his/her
preferences about menus, toolbars, contextual menus, keyboard
shortcuts... which one you use and why? are changed on the current UI
needed to emphasise one way over others? I think more than one
question is needed here, but I'm not sure how to phrase them...

Regards
Ricardo

Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki

2012-06-05 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima

2012/6/5 Graham Lauder 

> >
> > it would be indeed nice to have only one wiki. We have unresolved issues
> > with the old wiki content (unclear licenses) but MediaWiki as underlying
> > wiki software offers more features as far as I can see and the editing
> > is smoother for me. Very useful extensions are used in several places
> > all over the wiki.
> >
> > If possible I would prefer to move forward with MediaWiki
> >
> > Juergen
>
> +1 for going with Mediawiki simply because of it's feature set.
>
> Cheers
> G
>
> +1 for Mediawiki.

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Re: [HEADS UP][UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" will be active today at 10:00 (GMT+2)

Hi,

On 05.06.2012 11:40, Roberto Galoppini wrote:

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
wrote:

Hi,

just for your interest.

I will activate the OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" today at 10:00
(GMT+2).
In the "first phase" Italian OOo 3.3 instances on Windows, MacOS X, Linux
32bit and Linux 64bit will be notified through the update functionality that
AOO 3.4 is available. The users will be directed to the Italian download
page [1].

I started testing OpenOffice.org 3.2, and the application told me that
there was an update available.
The browser opened the following page:
http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index_it.html?cid=920897
that actually doesn't work.

I had a clean Italian OOo 3.3 installation on a Windows 7 machine.
After I had turned on the daily update check and after a restart it takes 2-3
minutes until OOo 3.3 reports that an AOO 3.4 update is available.

If you still have your OOo 3.3 installed, you may check again tomorrow, if the
update check is performed automatically.
In advance you can have a look at Menu Tools - Options - Online Update. You can
find here the date and time of the last successful update check.

Then I did check it and I've been redirected to
http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/?utm_source=OOo3_3&utm_medium=Client&utm_campaign=Upgrade
as expected, and I eventually downloaded the AOO 3.4 file.

Sounds good.

Best regards, Oliver.

Guess we need to double check what's going on with OOo 3.2, I didn't
expect it to say there are updates, though.

Roberto

unexpected experience with OOo 3.2 update service [was: Re: [HEADS UP][UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" will be active today at 10:00 (GMT+2)]

Hi,

On 05.06.2012 11:40, Roberto Galoppini wrote:

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
wrote:

Hi,

just for your interest.

So I did disinstall OOo 3.2 and the browser pointed to the following
page: http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/deinstall that actually
doesn't work.
After installing OOo 3.3 the application didn't check automatically,
not even after I set the daily check for updates
Then I did check it and I've been redirected to
http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/?utm_source=OOo3_3&utm_medium=Client&utm_campaign=Upgrade
as expected, and I eventually downloaded the AOO 3.4 file.

Guess we need to double check what's going on with OOo 3.2, I didn't
expect it to say there are updates, though.

What you have experienced with your OOo 3.2 installation is really unexpected.

I have a clean OOo 3.2 installation on my Windows 7 machine. Its UpdateURL is
http://update34.services.openoffice.org/ProductUpdateService/check.Update which
currently can not be resolved to any existing HTTP resource. Thus, my OOo 3.2
installation reports that the update check fails.
Thus, I have no glue, why your OOo 3.2 installation could report an available
update.
I do not assume that you have a backup of your OOo 3.2 installation. If you have
it nevertheless, please share the "version.ini" resp. "versionrc" file, found in
the program folder of this installation, with me.

Best regards, Oliver.

Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki

2012-06-05 Thread Graham Lauder

> On 6/5/12 5:11 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> > KG01 - See comments inline.
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:35 AM, chengjh  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> We see,the old OpenOffice.org wiki
> >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page  has accumulated
> >> plenty of valuable information,including planning,function
> >> specification,technical documents and so on..Currently,the planning and
> >> project tracking parts have been moved to
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home,that
> >> means a
> >> new start of the project.Because the two wikis are two different wiki
> >> software systems,moreover, there are existing different writing styles
> >> between them and writers need accounts for them respectively, it is not
> >> convenient for writers to write wiki articles when switching between
> >> them...
> > 
> > KG01 - Yes, attempting to manage and maintain content on two wikis is
> > painful and inefficient.
> 
> it would be indeed nice to have only one wiki. We have unresolved issues
> with the old wiki content (unclear licenses) but MediaWiki as underlying
> wiki software offers more features as far as I can see and the editing
> is smoother for me. Very useful extensions are used in several places
> all over the wiki.
> 
> If possible I would prefer to move forward with MediaWiki
> 
> Juergen

+1 for going with Mediawiki simply because of it's feature set. 

Cheers
G



> 
> > So, I propose to create a new wiki for developers to record
> > 
> >> technical documents,technical review,proposals/ideas,function
> >> specification and design,and so on by sub-project categories, for
> >> example,we can move the scope of teams section from the old OO wiki to
> >> the new wiki, or *extend the scope of 
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Hometo
> >> include these areas.
> > 
> > KG01 - While I appreciate that there is a focus on "development" in the
> > open source world, I would suggest that the effort is much broader. I
> > personally prefer open source product development ;) Delivering
> > sustainable, compelling and delightful products is the domain of an
> > interdisciplinary team, not just technical folks. Any future wiki
> > strategy should address the needs of all project stakeholders and
> > contributors.
> > 
> >> *Thus, in the future,the new wiki will only keep a
> >> link to the old OO wiki which takes as the history data and continue to
> >> accumulate new project data to benefit the project and
> >> contributors..Please comment...thanks.
> > 
> > KG01 - Archiving older content as is, and including references from the
> > new wiki makes sense. A one-time migration of relevant data would be
> > important, however, any older content could be left as is in the
> > archives. To help differentiate old versus new, we might consider a
> > different tool. As a better user experience is important, this seems
> > like a good time to move to a newer wiki tool.
> > 
> >> --
> >> 
> >> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng

Re: [HEADS UP][UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" will be active today at 10:00 (GMT+2)

2012-06-05 Thread Roberto Galoppini

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> just for your interest.
>
> I will activate the OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" today at 10:00
> (GMT+2).
> In the "first phase" Italian OOo 3.3 instances on Windows, MacOS X, Linux
> 32bit and Linux 64bit will be notified through the update functionality that
> AOO 3.4 is available. The users will be directed to the Italian download
> page [1].

I started testing OpenOffice.org 3.2, and the application told me that
there was an update available.
The browser opened the following page:
http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index_it.html?cid=920897
that actually doesn't work.

So I did disinstall OOo 3.2 and the browser pointed to the following
page: http://surveys.services.openoffice.org/deinstall that actually
doesn't work.
After installing OOo 3.3 the application didn't check automatically,
not even after I set the daily check for updates
Then I did check it and I've been redirected to
http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/?utm_source=OOo3_3&utm_medium=Client&utm_campaign=Upgrade
as expected, and I eventually downloaded the AOO 3.4 file.

Guess we need to double check what's going on with OOo 3.2, I didn't
expect it to say there are updates, though.

Roberto

> We want to run the first phase until Friday, 2012-06-08, in order to check,
> if the generated download traffic can be handled.
> Afterwards, it is planned to activate the OOo 3.3 update service for all
> platform and language combinations for which we have an AOO 3.4 installation
> package available.
>
> [1] http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/
>
>
> Best regards, Oliver.

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Re: [UX] The Questions for users

2012-06-05 Thread Shenfeng Liu

2012/6/5 Kevin Grignon 

> KG03 - See comments inline.
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:
>
> > Firstly I strong agree with Graham's that we must make very clear on what
> > we want to know from a survey. e.g. my first impression to Albino's
> > original question list was that the purpose might be to know by which
> > channels do our users get our product information and support... Later we
> > added more purpose in and generated a long list in wiki. While my
> personal
> > suggestion is that we may want to separate the long list into different
> > surveys, because people who take the survey will have different interest
> > because of their background.
>
>
> KG03 - Tailoring the survey content to keep the survey brief yet still a
> source of good data is a key priority.
>
>
> > One survey should try to target to one certain
> > group, for us to make the observation to certain targets that we set. It
> > will not good if you take a survey and found 1/3 of the questions inside
> > are not what you interested, or even understand... then you might want to
> > quit from the survey, or generate some garbage answers by random
> > selections... It is just my $0.02.
> >
>
> > BTW, I noticed that in the question list, we didn't ask for people's
> > career. We asked for the company, but not individual's. I suggest we add
> > this question, since a developer is likely to have a quite different view
> > to an executive...
> >
>
> KG03 - Actually, that is in there already. "Question A50: Which best
> describes your job role?"
>

Found it! Thanks, Kevin!



>
> KG03 - Please share any specific data requirements that you or your
> development peers feel would help drive informed design and development
> decisions moving forward. Capture your thoughts on the wiki. See:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Research_Surveys
>
>
>
> > - Simon
> >
> >
> > 2012/6/5 Kevin Grignon 
> >
> > > KG02 - see comments inline.
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2012, Graham Lauder wrote:
> > >
> > > > > KG01 - see comments inline.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Graham Lauder  > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Questions relating to research!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > []
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps the first survey we should conduct is a survey about
> what
> > > > sort
> > > > > > > of surveys our users would respond to.
> > > > >
> > > > > KG01 - Thanks for your feedback and interest in the user research
> > > effort.
> > > > > While I agree we could deploy different types of surveys to gather
> > > > > different types of data, I feel that a survey of surveys might
> induce
> > > > > premature survey fatigue.
> > > >
> > > > Survey fatique has already set in, that is not a new thing, that is
> > > > recognisable simply by those surveys conducted by SUN.  We haven't
> > caused
> > > > that, it is a factor of the modern marketing malaise.  The cost of
> > > > incentives
> > > > these days, that one needs to hand out to get a significant sampling
> > in a
> > > > timely manner is huge.
> > >
> > >
> > > KG02 - Agreed, risk of fatigue is a planning consideration.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > User research, especially surveys, consumes
> > > > > people's time and energy.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed as I myself pointed out earlier in this thread
> > > >
> > > > > Rather, I propose we work from the other
> > > > > direction. If the goal of the research activity is to gather data
> > that
> > > > will
> > > > > help us build insight and drive informed design and development
> > > > decisions,
> > > > > then we should focus the surveys on the information we need to do
> > > that. I
> > > > > have captured some comments in the wiki discussion page.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, however if the sample of respondents is ridiculously small,
> as
> > > has
> > > > historically been the case, then the data is useless.
> > >
> > >
> > > KG02 - Perhaps, let's think positive :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You cannot use corporate methodologies in an open source environment.
> >  We
> > > > have
> > > > no ability to offer incentives, we therefore need to make the survey
> > > > process
> > > > as pleasant and enjoyable as possible or we need to find out from
> > people
> > > > what
> > > > would encourage them to participate.
> > >
> > >
> > > KG02 - Ok. I'm not advocating corporate or open source. I'm advocating
> > that
> > > we create surveys that 1) will deliver good data and 2) people will
> fill
> > > out.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That requires research, I doubt it will require as big a sample as a
> UX
> > > > survey
> > > > but that is only because there are a limited number of answers
> needed.
> > > >
> > > > Every good research organisation I have worked with does short
> surveys
> > to
> > > > find
> > > > out what they're doing right or wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > > KG02 - indeed, a useful activity.
> > >
> > >
> > > > For the most part they do these at the
> > > > end of

Re: About Uyghur Translations

On 6/5/12 4:47 AM, Gheyret Tohti wrote:
> Hi,
> My name is Gheyret, native Uyghur.Before we finished translation of 
> OpenOffice almost 100%. We like to continue translate, and maintenance Uyhur 
> translation. and we like to translate Help of OpenOffice.
> But in the pootle server Uyghur is not in the list.Can you add Uyghur to the 
> list? 

Uyghur (ug) is not yet in the supported language list on the pootle
server. I have to figure out if this list can be extended. I don't know yet.

But I can send you the po files for offline usage if that helps. Please
let me know and I will prepare it...

Juergen

> 
> Salam Bilen
> 
> Gheyret T.Kenji
> 
> 2012/06/05

Re: Unofficial OpenSolaris/SPARC 3.4 build

2012-06-05 Thread Nicolas Christener

Hi Rob

On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 11:29 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
[...]
> Congratulation!

Thank you :)

> Would you like more public awareness of this test build?   Do you want
> to find more users to help test?

We would very welcome more testing and more feedback! It's our goal to
achieve the same quality for the Solaris builds as for all the other
builds. The more people looking at the build the better :)

> If you are interested (and willing) I'd be happy to do an email
> interview with you for a blog post.  Questions would be related to
> your work on the AOO Solaris port, why this is important to your
> company, what kind of users do you have, why the move to Apache is a
> good thing, etc.  It can be a "group interview" if there is more than
> one person who wants to answer.

Wow, this would be very nice! As there are different people involved in
our team, we would love to do such a group interview by mail :)

Thank you very much for your kind support, we really appreciate it!

Kind regards
Nicolas Christener

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Re: [Request] Korean language pack and id for pootle server

On 6/4/12 11:50 PM, Jihui Choi wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
>  wrote:
>> This message is more or less the confirmation for you that ASF has recieved
>> your ICLA.
>>
> Thank you, Oliver.
> I mean I want to know what I should do next to get committer's right
> for AOO Korean translation. :)

I suggest you start with translation everything else comes over time.

Do you prefer to work with the PO files directly? If yes I will send you
the necessary files.

Juergen

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jun 2012 ([ppmc])

On 6/5/12 1:14 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> Top posting--
> 
> Folks, I will note that we apparently didn't submit a report for May -- I
> guess we were all too busy with the release. So...this is due this coming
> Wed, June 6th.  I will help if I can. We could at least mention that we're
> starting the discussion on graduation. And, get them caught up on our new
> committers and PPMC members.

we had a first release, worth to mention ;-)

Juergen

> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Marvin  wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> Dear podling,
>>
>> This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
>> Incubator PMC.
>> It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your
>> quarterly
>> board report.
>>
>> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 20 June 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The
>> report
>> for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The
>> Incubator PMC
>> requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks before the board meeting, to
>> allow
>> sufficient time for review and submission (Wed, Jun 6th).
>>
>> Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the incubator PMC,
>> and
>> subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the very latest you
>> should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board meeting.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> The Apache Incubator PMC
>>
>> Submitting your Report
>> --
>>
>> Your report should contain the following:
>>
>>  * Your project name
>>  * A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of the
>> project
>>   or necessarily of its field
>>  * A list of the three most important issues to address in the move towards
>>   graduation.
>>  * Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be
>> aware of
>>  * How has the community developed since the last report
>>  * How has the project developed since the last report.
>>
>> This should be appended to the Incubator Wiki page at:
>>
>>  http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012
>>
>> Note: This manually populated. You may need to wait a little before this
>> page is
>>  created from a template.
>>
>> Mentors
>> ---
>> Mentors should review reports for their project(s) and sign them off on the
>> Incubator wiki page. Signing off reports shows that you are following the
>> project - projects that are not signed may raise alarms for the Incubator
>> PMC.
>>
>> Incubator PMC
>>
>>
> 
>

Re: [Draft] How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice

On 6/4/12 7:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
>  wrote:
>> On 6/4/12 5:15 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> I'm putting this draft together, not because I have all the answers,
>>> but because I think I have most of the questions.  Hopefully others
>>> can help fill in the details.  When complete, this can go onto the
>>> website and we can have a blog post to call for more translation
>>> volunteers.
>>
>> you are faster than I ;-)
>>
> 
> Or just more free time ;-0
> 
>> I would create a new wiki page and would like to update the wiki page
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide
>>
> 
> The topic is broader than just Pootle, so I hope we have a new page
> that covers the higher-level questions, such as what I have here.
> That can then point into the Pootle wiki for details on using that
> tool.
> 
> 
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> =How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice=
>>>
>>>
>>> ==Introduction==
>>>
>>> OpenOffice traditionally has had excellent localization support,
>>> especially with its support of over 100 languages, including many
>>> minority languages that are not commonly supported in commercial
>>> products.  Our community-led, all-volunteer, open source development
>>> model facilitates this.
>>>
>>> Each new version of OpenOffice requires the translations to be
>>> updated, to add translations for terms and phrases that have been
>>> added or changed in the product.  So maintaining support for any given
>>> translation is an ongoing effort, requiring volunteers to help keep
>>> the translations current, complete and accurate.
>>>
>>> A list of translations available in the most-recent release of Apache
>>> OpenOffice can be found here:
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html
>>>
>>> A larger list of languages, including ones that have incomplete
>>> translations are listed here:
>>> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34/
>>>
>>> [ Is that the correct URL?  There were other AOO-related projects on
>>> Pootle as well. ]
>>
>> the url is correct for the UI, we have a separate project for the help
>>
>> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo_34_help/
>>
> 
> OK. So we should mentioned both.  I also see projects for AOO 4.0 in
> Pootle.  What is that for?

AOO 4.0 is currently a placeholder for future work, it was initially
created by Raphael as well as plain OOo (Apache OpenOffice (incubating)

I don't have the necessary rights to create or delete projects yet. I
have to work on this ;-)

> 
>>>
>>> [ Also, is that the entire list of PO files or do we have others?  I
>>> thought we had more than 71 languages ]
>>
>> no I think we have more, I have started to integrated all po's we have
>> in the repo but have had problems with some of them. This work have to
>> be finished...
>>
> 
> OK.  So maybe on the wiki page where we list volunteers we list all of
> the languages.  And then we can put a note that says if a volunteer
> wants to work on a language that is not yet loaded onto Pootle, they
> should send a note to the list.

we have 112 sdf files in our repo, means 112 languages. Ok one is a
helper only.

> 
> 
> And if someone wants to work on an entirely new language?  How do they
> get started there?   We should have some info on that.

good idea, bit I will try to update pootle with all languages

Juergen

> 
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==How to Help==
>>>
>>> First, register your interest.   We track a list of volunteers
>>> interested in helping with each language on our wiki here: 
>>>
>>> [ This doesn't exist yet, but I propose adding it ]
>>
>> yes, but we should create one to track the progress and to know who is
>> working on the different languages. Good to know whom to contact ;-)
>>
>> I will do that ...
>>
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>>>
>>> You should add your name to that list, and send an email to
>>> ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org to introduce yourself and your interest
>>> in helping with that language.
>>>
>>> [ I'd love to start a new list, ooo-i...@incubator.apache.org to
>>> handle this and the following translation coordination issues ]
>>
>> I would propose ooo-l...@apache.org (otherwise i18n)
>>
> 
> OK.
> 
>>>
>>> If a build with your language already exists, you should download and
>>> install.  If you find errors in the translation, you can report it
>>> directly as a bug report in Bugzilla
>>> (https://issues.apache.org/ooo/enter_bug.cgi?product=native-lang) or
>>> enter a suggested fix into Pootle (more on Pootle below).
>>>
>>> If a build is not yet ready for your language, then that typically
>>> means that the translation is not yet complete.  You can help finish
>>> the translation in several ways:
>>>
>>> 1) You can send a note to the ooo-dev list [or ooo-i10n list if we
>>> make one] requesting the PO file for that language.  This file can be
>>> loaded into a translation management tool where you can edit the
>>> translation.  When done, or when you've make progr

Re: [UX] The Questions for users

KG03 - See comments inline.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:

> Firstly I strong agree with Graham's that we must make very clear on what
> we want to know from a survey. e.g. my first impression to Albino's
> original question list was that the purpose might be to know by which
> channels do our users get our product information and support... Later we
> added more purpose in and generated a long list in wiki. While my personal
> suggestion is that we may want to separate the long list into different
> surveys, because people who take the survey will have different interest
> because of their background.


KG03 - Tailoring the survey content to keep the survey brief yet still a
source of good data is a key priority.


> One survey should try to target to one certain
> group, for us to make the observation to certain targets that we set. It
> will not good if you take a survey and found 1/3 of the questions inside
> are not what you interested, or even understand... then you might want to
> quit from the survey, or generate some garbage answers by random
> selections... It is just my $0.02.
>

> BTW, I noticed that in the question list, we didn't ask for people's
> career. We asked for the company, but not individual's. I suggest we add
> this question, since a developer is likely to have a quite different view
> to an executive...
>

KG03 - Actually, that is in there already. "Question A50: Which best
describes your job role?"

KG03 - Please share any specific data requirements that you or your
development peers feel would help drive informed design and development
decisions moving forward. Capture your thoughts on the wiki. See:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Research_Surveys



> - Simon
>
>
> 2012/6/5 Kevin Grignon 
>
> > KG02 - see comments inline.
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 5, 2012, Graham Lauder wrote:
> >
> > > > KG01 - see comments inline.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Graham Lauder  > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Questions relating to research!
> > > > >
> > > > > []
> > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps the first survey we should conduct is a survey about what
> > > sort
> > > > > > of surveys our users would respond to.
> > > >
> > > > KG01 - Thanks for your feedback and interest in the user research
> > effort.
> > > > While I agree we could deploy different types of surveys to gather
> > > > different types of data, I feel that a survey of surveys might induce
> > > > premature survey fatigue.
> > >
> > > Survey fatique has already set in, that is not a new thing, that is
> > > recognisable simply by those surveys conducted by SUN.  We haven't
> caused
> > > that, it is a factor of the modern marketing malaise.  The cost of
> > > incentives
> > > these days, that one needs to hand out to get a significant sampling
> in a
> > > timely manner is huge.
> >
> >
> > KG02 - Agreed, risk of fatigue is a planning consideration.
> >
> > >
> > > > User research, especially surveys, consumes
> > > > people's time and energy.
> > >
> > > Indeed as I myself pointed out earlier in this thread
> > >
> > > > Rather, I propose we work from the other
> > > > direction. If the goal of the research activity is to gather data
> that
> > > will
> > > > help us build insight and drive informed design and development
> > > decisions,
> > > > then we should focus the surveys on the information we need to do
> > that. I
> > > > have captured some comments in the wiki discussion page.
> > >
> > > Indeed, however if the sample of respondents is ridiculously small, as
> > has
> > > historically been the case, then the data is useless.
> >
> >
> > KG02 - Perhaps, let's think positive :)
> > >
> > >
> > > You cannot use corporate methodologies in an open source environment.
>  We
> > > have
> > > no ability to offer incentives, we therefore need to make the survey
> > > process
> > > as pleasant and enjoyable as possible or we need to find out from
> people
> > > what
> > > would encourage them to participate.
> >
> >
> > KG02 - Ok. I'm not advocating corporate or open source. I'm advocating
> that
> > we create surveys that 1) will deliver good data and 2) people will fill
> > out.
> >
> > >
> > > That requires research, I doubt it will require as big a sample as a UX
> > > survey
> > > but that is only because there are a limited number of answers needed.
> > >
> > > Every good research organisation I have worked with does short surveys
> to
> > > find
> > > out what they're doing right or wrong.
> >
> >
> > KG02 - indeed, a useful activity.
> >
> >
> > > For the most part they do these at the
> > > end of another survey, but that is because the group of respondents
> they
> > > are
> > > questioning will probably never do the same survey again.
> >
> >
> > KG02 - While surveys are common after usability evaluation session,
> nested
> > surveys are new to me.
> >
> >
> > > For us the problem
> > > has been getting respondents to finish.  Lo

[HEADS UP][UPDATE SERVICE] OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" will be active today at 10:00 (GMT+2)


Hi,

just for your interest.

I will activate the OOo 3.3 update service "first phase" today at 10:00 (GMT+2).
In the "first phase" Italian OOo 3.3 instances on Windows, MacOS X, Linux 32bit 
and Linux 64bit will be notified through the update functionality that AOO 3.4 
is available. The users will be directed to the Italian download page [1].


We want to run the first phase until Friday, 2012-06-08, in order to check, if 
the generated download traffic can be handled.
Afterwards, it is planned to activate the OOo 3.3 update service for all 
platform and language combinations for which we have an AOO 3.4 installation 
package available.


[1] http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/


Best regards, Oliver.

Re: The new fetch_tarballs.sh

2012-06-05 Thread Andre Fischer


Hi Herbert,

On 05.06.2012 07:25, Herbert Duerr wrote:

Hi Andre,

thanks for the great work which will help us very much to clean up the
bootstrap process.


... is called download_external_libraries.pl.


I don't like the file names "download_external_libraries.pl" and
"external_libs.lst" because what is actually downloaded is more than
just libraries. It already downloads such things a fonts, AFM files and
some license texts.

We have more than enough cases in our code base where code evolution
caused a mismatch of names to reality. New functionality that was
created from scratch should not start with having a misleading name.


It is a rewrite in Perl with the following improvements:
[lots of wonderful benefits snipped]
The download script is main/solenv/bin/download_external_libraries.pl.


How about naming that download_external_deps.pl or *_dependencies.pl?


The data file has a new format and I took the opportunity to rename it
to main/external_libs.lst. [...]


How about naming that download_external_deps.lst or *_dependencies.lst?


Good idea.  I will rename

download_external_libraries.pl to download_external_dependencies.pl

and

external_libs.lst to external_deps.lst

when I make the new download mechanism the default in a few days.

-Andre




I hope this helps in our quest to solve the category-B questions.


It sure does. Thanks again!

Herbert

Re: [UX] [Request for Input] Survey Design - What data do you need to help drive informed design and development decisions?

KG01 - see comments inline

On Tuesday, June 5, 2012, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Kevin Grignon wrote:
>
>> Visit the AOO UX wiki to review the current survey question candidates and
>> join the discussion:
>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_**Research_Surveys
>>
>
> I'd add a question on formats:


KG01 - Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. I'll add these to the questions
candidates?

>
> - What family of formats do you use most often when reading documents?
>  - I don't know what a file format is
>  - Open Document Format: ODT/ODS/ODP
>  - Microsoft Office 97-2003: DOC/XLS/PPT
>  - Microsoft Office 2007-2010: DOCX/XLSX/PPTX

KG01 - should we consider including .pdf in this lists as well?


> - What family of formats do you use most often when saving documents?
>  - I don't know what a file format is
>  - Open Document Format: ODT/ODS/ODP
>  - Microsoft Office 97-2003: DOC/XLS/PPT
>  - Microsoft Office 2007-2010: DOCX/XLSX/PPTX
>
> Regards,
>  Andrea.
>

Re: [UX] [Request for Input] Survey Design - What data do you need to help drive informed design and development decisions?


Andrea Pescetti wrote:

- What family of formats do you use most often when saving documents?
- I don't know what a file format is
- Open Document Format: ODT/ODS/ODP
- Microsoft Office 97-2003: DOC/XLS/PPT
- Microsoft Office 2007-2010: DOCX/XLSX/PPTX


Copy and paste error... the last option should of course apply only to 
reading documents.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Propose to Integrate Old OO Wiki and New AOO Wiki

On 6/5/12 5:11 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> KG01 - See comments inline.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:35 AM, chengjh  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> We see,the old OpenOffice.org wiki
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page  has accumulated plenty
>> of valuable information,including planning,function specification,technical
>> documents and so on..Currently,the planning and project tracking parts have
>> been moved to
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home,that means
>> a
>> new start of the project.Because the two wikis are two different wiki
>> software systems,moreover, there are existing different writing styles
>> between them and writers need accounts for them respectively, it is not
>> convenient for writers to write wiki articles when switching between
>> them...
> 
> 
> KG01 - Yes, attempting to manage and maintain content on two wikis is
> painful and inefficient.

it would be indeed nice to have only one wiki. We have unresolved issues
with the old wiki content (unclear licenses) but MediaWiki as underlying
wiki software offers more features as far as I can see and the editing
is smoother for me. Very useful extensions are used in several places
all over the wiki.

If possible I would prefer to move forward with MediaWiki

Juergen

> 
> So, I propose to create a new wiki for developers to record
>> technical documents,technical review,proposals/ideas,function specification
>> and design,and so on by sub-project categories, for example,we can move the
>> scope of teams section from the old OO wiki to the new wiki, or *extend the
>> scope of  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Hometo
>> include these areas.
> 
> 
> KG01 - While I appreciate that there is a focus on "development" in the
> open source world, I would suggest that the effort is much broader. I
> personally prefer open source product development ;) Delivering
> sustainable, compelling and delightful products is the domain of an
> interdisciplinary team, not just technical folks. Any future wiki strategy
> should address the needs of all project stakeholders and contributors.
> 
> 
>> *Thus, in the future,the new wiki will only keep a
>> link to the old OO wiki which takes as the history data and continue to
>> accumulate new project data to benefit the project and contributors..Please
>> comment...thanks.
>>
>>
> KG01 - Archiving older content as is, and including references from the new
> wiki makes sense. A one-time migration of relevant data would be important,
> however, any older content could be left as is in the archives. To help
> differentiate old versus new, we might consider a different tool. As a
> better user experience is important, this seems like a good time to move to
> a newer wiki tool.
> 
> 
>> --
>>
>> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng
>>
>

Re: [UX] [Request for Input] Survey Design - What data do you need to help drive informed design and development decisions?


Kevin Grignon wrote:

Visit the AOO UX wiki to review the current survey question candidates and
join the discussion:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Research_Surveys


I'd add a question on formats:

- What family of formats do you use most often when reading documents?
  - I don't know what a file format is
  - Open Document Format: ODT/ODS/ODP
  - Microsoft Office 97-2003: DOC/XLS/PPT
  - Microsoft Office 2007-2010: DOCX/XLSX/PPTX

- What family of formats do you use most often when saving documents?
  - I don't know what a file format is
  - Open Document Format: ODT/ODS/ODP
  - Microsoft Office 97-2003: DOC/XLS/PPT
  - Microsoft Office 2007-2010: DOCX/XLSX/PPTX

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Apache OpenOffice Next-Gen logo - Concepts

KG01 - See comments inline.

On Tuesday, June 5, 2012, Fernando Cassia wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Kevin Grignon 
> >
> wrote:
> > Future logo concepts sketches and high fidelity mockups have been added
> > logo exploration page. Comments and feedback welcome.
> >
> > See:
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations
> > .
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
>
> Want the truth, nothing but the truth, the awful truth? I DO NOT LIKE
> THEM AT ALL, any of them.

KG01 - Thanks for your feedback. These concepts are design explorations and
are intended to start the conversation.

> Why change something that has symbolized the "product" for so long and
> people recognize?. Why?

KG01 - Actually, many sketches incorporate the original orb and gulls
(document/page) elements. Others, do not. No wrong answers here:)

> Just to be "modern" and change for change's sake?.

KG01 - As for why, well, the community asked to explore a brand update.

>
> Have you heard of the "New Coke" fiasco?.

KG01 - All for now, man am I thirsty.

>
> Please...
> FC
>
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act
> Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
> Acto Revolucionario
> - George Orwell
>

Re: May I use "OpenOffice.org" and "Apache Incubator" logos on OpenOffice.org CD

2012-06-05 Thread Kazunari Hirano

Hi all,

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Kazunari Hirano  wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> Some schools help distribute these CDs to their students studying
>>> software and languages.
>>>
>>
>> Do you know what date this event was?
>
> I don't know.  It was not a public event.
>
>> I noticed that the website had a  large increase in visitors from
>> Japan on April 14th (perhaps April 15th in Japan).
>
> Good news.  Thanks.
>
>> On a CD containing unmodified binary installs from the AOO 3.4
>> release?
>
> Yes.
>
>> That sounds OK with me.  But please wait for the release to
>> be actually approved.
>
> Sure, I will.

Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 for Windows CDs have been released.
https://sites.google.com/site/khirano/Home/apache-openoffice-cd

Thanks,
khirano
-- 
khir...@apache.org
Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/

Re: Apache OpenOffice Next-Gen logo - Concepts