date:20120719

On 7/18/12 5:27 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
 Hi Ariel,
 
 Ariel Constenla-Haile schrieb:
 [..]
 
  Besides that how is this supposed to work on Win where
 there are no scripts but executables... It seems something is really
 broken.
 
 Windows-key + Pause-key opens Systemproperties (German:
 Systemeigenschaften). On tab Extended (German: Erweitert) you can set
 environment variables (German: Umgebungsvariablen). Add them as
 name-value pair. I have enabled HELP_DEBUG there. That is very useful.
 You get the called uno-command and the RID of an UI-element, if extended
 tips is switched on.
 

If we think it is necessary to disable file locking I think an
appropriate config item is the best solution. It can be triggered with a
macro or an extension and that should be sufficient.

I woudl never make this visible in the option dialog, it should remain
an expert feature for people who know what they are doing. Otherwise we
have to deal with broken documents the next time.

The question is why the existing config item don't work where their name
is so promising ;-) What is their purpose at the moment?

Any volunteer to take a closer look on it? We should at least create an
issue to track it.

It's maybe a good opportunity for somebody who want to become familiar
with the code and will try to debug ;-)


Juergen

Re: [Draft] The Public Service Mission of OpenOffice

On 7/18/12 7:12 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
 KG01 - See comments inline.
 
 On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Rob Weir wrote:
 
 On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
 jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On 7/17/12 6:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
 I'd like to see if we can agree on a statement along these lines.  I
 think it is important that we show how our project aligns with
 Apache's overall mission, which the apache.org home page phrases as:
 provides support for the Apache community of open-source software
 projects, which provide software products for the public good.

 I think we do and always have been strongly aligned with this goal.
 But still, sometimes, we're questioned about our emphasis on
 distributing binaries, or seeking support for items related to
 distributing binaries.  In some ways we're the oddball at Apache,
 being the only prominent end-user facing project.  So I think it will
 help if we can express in clear terms how what we are doing is in fact
 for the public good, and our aims and achievements are at least as
 noble as what any other Apache project can claim.

 I totally agree and that is of course the most annoying point here at
 Apache for me. But that is another topic and not for this thread.


 Please, review and suggest improvements.  In the end I'd like to work
 this into a webpage or blog post.


 see comments inline

 Regards,

 -Rob

 --
 =Introduction=

 Along with an email client and a web browser, an office suite is a
 core essential application that almost every computer user requires.
  Although there is a dominant commercial product in this category, its
 price and limited platform and language support makes it an
 unsatisfactory option for many.   OpenOffice, for over a decade, has
 helped fill this gap.  Our goal is to develop, publish and support
 OpenOffice as a world-class office suite, free for anyone to use, and
 since it is open source, free for anyone to build upon.  Using the
 generally available discounted price of commercial office products,
 the value of OpenOffice downloads over the past decade exceeds USD 10
 billion (10,000,000,000),


 I like this example calculation which makes the value of OpenOffice
 really visible. The number is so impressive that really everybody can
 understand it.


 ==Overcoming the Digital Divide==

 More than 40% of the world population lives on less than US$ 2 per
 day, and around 20% live on less than US$ 1 per day.  Against these
 numbers, commercial shrink-wrapped office software is often seen as a
 luxury good.  End-user facing open source software, like OpenOffice,
 brings high-quality software to those who would otherwise have no
 other affordable options.   Within the ICT for Development (ICT4D)
 community, OpenOffice has long been an important part of achieving
 development goals.

 ==Support for Linguistic and Cultural Diversity==

 There are over 6,000 languages in the world, but unless the language
 is associated with a G20 economic superpower, commercial vendors tend
 to ignore it.  The OpenOffice community has a long standing tradition
 of supporting a large number of languages, including languages used by
 smaller populations, minority languages, endangered languages, etc.
 For example, South Africa has 11 official languages.  OpenOffice has
 been translated to all of them.  By supporting languages that would
 not otherwise be supported we help reduce digital exclusion and
 promote development, local education and administration.


 It shows me again how important it is to work for and with the l10n
 community to support all the languages where we had support before. I
 will start a campaign right after our 3.4.1 release drive this forward.

 ==Accessibility==

 Persons with disabilities, especially those with visual impairments,
 commonly rely on assistive technology to interact with computers.
 I've put the draft up on the wiki and made a few tweaks based on
 comments received so far:


 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29+The+Public+Service+Mission+of+OpenOffice

 I'd encouraged anyone interested to help improve this statement.
 
 
  KG01 - Comment: as a newbie, I've never seen this content. It's very
 compelling. We should seek pops to share this part of our story. Perhaps as
 part of the user experience (when downloading), or the volunteer experince
 (link on help wanted pages). In addition, our communications boilerplate
 could include some of the highlights from this connect. Thanks for sharing.

I can think about a further video where we try to visualize the numbers
with some pictures.

Just some first ideas
- picture of a huge mountain of money or gold bars
- fast switching pictures of people from different countries to
represent all the different languages and countries. Maybe pictures of
community members. Did somebody have seen the EM spot where many people
switching their tricot (pulling over the head and every time a new face
comes up...)
-

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: current status

2012-07-19 Thread Du Jing

Hi Jurgen,I have a try to reproduce the defect,but failed to find reproduce
step.

because on my system installed some old versions and never clean temp data
about OO before.
then I uninstall the current build, install the latest build(r1359641),and
find the defect #120257#.
but can't confirm the reproduce step. so I clean uninstall the build and
clean app data,re-install the
build,but no reproduce.and I also upgrade install to reproduce,but same
result.

then I change to Notebook win7 64,before installed OO old version on this
system,then i uninstall current version and install the
build(r1359641),find no dictionary installed.input any wrong word,no red
line appear.when enable spell check,show spell check complete.

I compare the extension folder in app data folder of this system with
another clean-install OO's system.find a extension.db file in this
system,but
not in clean-install system.

attach the two zip packages in the bug 120257 ,hope can help you~

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Li Feng Wang phoenix.wan...@gmail.comwrote:

I verified #120257# with AOO trunk and AOO341 branch on Windows and MAC. I
can't reproduce it.

2012/7/18 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com

Hi,

I would like to give a short update where we are with 3.4.1

Open issues or issues where the release blocker flag is requested:

Release blocker
* #119206# presenter console does not install on r1309668
The problem is currently how to trigger the installation of bundled
extensions after an upgrade installation. It's under investigation...

Requested release blocker
* #120257# Standard Dictionary does not recognize any words.
We need a verification based on Andre's last comment because we can't
reproduce it.

http://people.apache.org/~jsc/signing_test/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe
).
This version is also signed with my self-signed test certificate (if
somebody want to take a look on this as well, I can provide the cert
info for local testing).
It would be helpful if somebody else can give this version a try and can
test it. Do an upgrade installation on 3.4 and check if everything works
as expected.

I hope to get clarification on this issues until the end of the week.

Juergen

--
Best Wishes, LiFeng Wang

Re: Should quickstarter be enabled or disabled by default?

On 7/19/12 12:12 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Risto Jääskeläinen rjaas...@saunalahti.fi
 wrote:
 
 Hello!
 Whole suite will be a bit lighter and a bit simpler without quickstarter.
  I feel it is needless, unnötig, tarpeeton.
 So in mean time it should be disabled before it is removed from source
 code.

 Regards
 Risto

 
 Thanks for these interesting comments Risto...
 
 Really, just from items that pop up this list, IMO, it does seem to cause
 more harm than good.

I think a little bit more research would be helpful, a real performance
test etc.

Saying that the whole suite becomes a bit lighter is of course not what
I have in mind here ;-)

We had a problem that is fixed and the quickstarter provides more
features that people like. And people who don't like can already disable it.

I see no reason at the moment to change here anything because the
problem is fixed.

If we have problems with a feature let us fix it and not drop the
feature completely ;-)

But that is only my personal opinion

Juergen

 
 
 lou ql [louqin...@gmail.com] kirjoitti:

 Clean install:
 1. Win7: quickstarter is disabled by default after a fresh install

 2. Ubuntu 10.04: quickstarter is enabled by default after a fresh install

 Upgrade: Enable quickstarter before upgrade

 1. Win7, upgrade from OO3.3 to Aoo 3.4.1, quickstarter is still enabled
 after upgrade

 2. Win7, upgrade from Aoo 3.4 to Aoo 3.4.1, quickstarter is disabled after
 upgrade

 3. Ubuntu 10.04, upgrade from Aoo 3.4 to Aoo 3.4.1, quickstarter is still
 enabled after upgrade
 --
 Regards,
 Lou QingLe

Re: need to develop a extension for open office on mac

On 7/19/12 9:51 AM, Zhe Liu wrote:
 Hi RaghuVaran,
 The guide may help you.
 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OpenOffice.org_Developers_Guide
 Read the chapter Extensions.
 

we have also NetBeans plugin that helps a lot to do the initial steps
and setup an extension project.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice_NetBeans_Integration

If you want support menu entries and/or toolbars it becomes quite easy
to start and focus on the more important core work around your web
services ...

You can probably do the same with Eclipse and a little bit more manual
work. Check the SDK and the codeskeletonmaker that can be used to create
some initial skeletons where you can start with.

Feel free to ask here on the list...

By the way I am looking for a volunteer who is interested to work on an
Eclipse plugin similar to the plugin we already have for NetBeans. I
would be at least be available as a kind of mentor for such a project
and probably won't have time for more.

Juergen

 
 2012/7/19 ravoori varan ravooriva...@gmail.com:
 Hi Team,
 This is RaghuVaran from india. Am a noob at mac os and right now having a
 plan to create a small extension for openoffice, Which uses web services
 on Mac.
 Can some one please steer me into the right direction from where i had to
 begin with. So that it will be very much helpful for me.

 Thanks a lot in Advance.

 --
 With Regards
  Raghu Nandan.Ravoori
  9980305522

Re: [Call FOR VOLUNTEER]Native Language Build Verification

2012-07-19 Thread Shan Zhu

For 120240 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120240,  zh_CN
translation verification --

Build info: r1359641  zh_CN
Platform: Ubuntu10.04.

Checked frequently used items on following UI controls:
1. Menu Item
2. Dialog UI translation
3. Tooltips
4. Pop-up message
5. Toolbar, status bar.

Issues found:

About issue1,2, I want to confirm that whether they should be translated or
not?
For issue 3,4 and 5, *Bug
120314*https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120314,
*Bug 120315* https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120315, *
Bug 120316* https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120316 created.

Issue1. About Dialog isn't translated.
Issue2. File-Properties, Internet tab page name isn't translated.
Issue3. File- Templates -Address Book Source, the button name Address
Data Source... has been translated to 地址数据源(A)(B)
   The mnemonic key (B) works in zh_CN, but the (A) which should be
mnemonic key in en_US should not been kept in button name.
Issue4. The translation of Area:
  In Calc, all Area has been translated to 面积图. In fact, it means
various things in different places. Such as, Chart Type, Object Properties,
tooltip and context menu.
  In Presentation, Area on Format main menu has been translated to
平面 which can not deliver correct info. And it is inconsistent with the
translation on the dialog's title bar.
Issue5. Tools- Options-Language Settings- Language. The lables of 2
checkboxes in Enhanced language support are not translated.


Regards,
Shan Zhu

Re: Should quickstarter be enabled or disabled by default?

2012-07-19 Thread O.Felka


Hi,


We had a problem that is fixed and the quickstarter provides more
features that people like. And people who don't like can already disable it.


I also see the benefit of the Quickstarter.



I see no reason at the moment to change here anything because the
problem is fixed.


+1



If we have problems with a feature let us fix it and not drop the
feature completely ;-)


'Hey, we have a bug in Writer? No problem, let's disable it.' :-)



But that is only my personal opinion


Do you have another one?

Groetjes,
Olaf


Juergen

Re: [Call FOR VOLUNTEER]Native Language Build Verification

On 7/19/12 11:49 AM, Shan Zhu wrote:
 For 120240 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120240,  zh_CN
 translation verification --
 
 Build info: r1359641  zh_CN
 Platform: Ubuntu10.04.
 
 Checked frequently used items on following UI controls:
 1. Menu Item
 2. Dialog UI translation
 3. Tooltips
 4. Pop-up message
 5. Toolbar, status bar.
 
 Issues found:
 
 About issue1,2, I want to confirm that whether they should be translated or
 not?

The About box should be translated and that have to be corrected for 3.5
now where we have translation process working. I preferred a quick
solution for 3.4 to correct some content here and thought a correct
English version is better then a wrong translated one.

The name for the Internet tab page should be translated, it should be
consistent to other tabs


 For issue 3,4 and 5, *Bug
 120314*https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120314,
 *Bug 120315* https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120315, *
 Bug 120316* https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120316 created.

normal bugs that should be fixed.

Thanks for the detailed testing, I am sure we will have more of this and
they can be found only by testing and working with the translated versions.

Juergen

 
 Issue1. About Dialog isn't translated.
 Issue2. File-Properties, Internet tab page name isn't translated.
 Issue3. File- Templates -Address Book Source, the button name Address
 Data Source... has been translated to 地址数据源(A)(B)
The mnemonic key (B) works in zh_CN, but the (A) which should be
 mnemonic key in en_US should not been kept in button name.
 Issue4. The translation of Area:
   In Calc, all Area has been translated to 面积图. In fact, it means
 various things in different places. Such as, Chart Type, Object Properties,
 tooltip and context menu.
   In Presentation, Area on Format main menu has been translated to
 平面 which can not deliver correct info. And it is inconsistent with the
 translation on the dialog's title bar.
 Issue5. Tools- Options-Language Settings- Language. The lables of 2
 checkboxes in Enhanced language support are not translated.
 
 
 Regards,
 Shan Zhu

Re: [CODE][UX] Bugs 25945 Show/Hide Scroll Bar Tips on Writer

Not answering any particular mail, so top posting.

I think there are two problems with the scroll tool tip:
- the first one is that it shows on the mouse position and usually
when you scroll you have the mouse pointer on top of the document so
the tool tip is there too, hiding the text you are scanning
- the second one is that it do not wraps, showing on one line and
crossing on top of your document even if the mouse pointer is outside
the text area

The second problem is is part of a general problem with tool tips: for
example, when you put the mouse pointer over a footnote anchor the
footnote content also shows on only one line, which is sub optimal
when you have long footnotes. If you activate extended tool tip the
footnote content tip wraps and then if more useful, but extended tool
tips seems to not affect the scroll tool tip.

Regards
Ricardo

2012/7/18 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com:
 KG02 - See comments inline.

 On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

 Hi Kevin,

 On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:52:29PM +0800, Kevin Grignon wrote:
  KG01 - Having the system provide feedback to orient the user and
  support way finding in the context of a scroll gesture is goodness.
  While the information may be presented in a tooltip-like presentation,
  system status is different than a tooltip from an information design
  perspective.

 What do you mean you system status? Is it the status bar?


 KG02 - Good question. By 'system status' I'm referring the the broader tool
 behavior where the users is informed by the system as to what is happening.
 Visibility of system status is an interaction design first principle. The
 status bar is a widget that surfaces some system status - there are others
 in the tool.


  While I am reluctant to encourage the creation of too many options,

 yes, the Options dialog has too many options already; this new option
 is, in principle, an API thing, a property to be added in

 http://www.openoffice.org/api/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/text/ViewSettings.html

 It can of course be added to the Options dialog.

  in this case, differentiating the tool tip content from status
  indicators/system status seems reasonable. Perhaps other popups could
  be clustered in the new category.

 What would you suggest here? Other help balloon?


 KG02 - Not sure, I'd need to explore the various pop-ups. Of which, Help is
 one category. Given the prevalence of pop-ups in web apps and mobile apps,
 there may be an opportunity to explore pop-ups in more detail for AOO 4.0
 UI.

 In this case we could explore evoking the scroll status indicator via
  a right click of the Page n/n in the status bar.

 This is already assigned to an action (from the help balloon when mouse
 over the status bar control):


 KG02 - To clarify, I meant surface the option to display scrolling feedback
 via a right click on the page numbers in the status bar.


 The current page number is displayed in this field of the status bar.
 A double-click opens the Navigator, with which you can navigate in the
 document. A right-click shows all bookmarks in the document. Click
 a bookmark to position the text cursor at the bookmark location.


 Regards
 --
 Ariel Constenla-Haile
 La Plata, Argentina

Re: OO 3.4 CRASHES

2012/7/18 Terry Crook terrycr...@earthlink.net:
 Please advise how to download OO 3.3!
 _OO 3.4 CRASHES every time_ I open it  will recover BUT now will NOT accept
 changes to my entries.
 I want to return to OO 3.3 which worked very well for years!
 There is _NOTHING_ on this in your Open Office Support items.

 Terry Crook
 terrycr...@earthlink.net or tcr...@realtor.com

Sorry to ear you have problems with 3.4

Did you try to reset your user profile? See here for more detail

http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426

For me AOO 3.4 is rock solid but some users had troubles with the
upgrade: a new user profile may fix all your issues. If you still want
the 3.3 version you can obtain it here

http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/

under stable or localized (if you need it on a language different
from English) directories. If you have any problem, don't doubt to use
our forums:

http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/

Regards

Re: [QA AUTOMATION][Proposal]Suggest to group definition of UI Controls in UIMap.java.

2012-07-19 Thread Shan Zhu

Hi, Kevin

The definition UI controls I mentioned is just about the code orgnization
in VCLAuto Tools.
I want to define VCL controls in the same sequence as that on application
UI, and organize them by applications and dialogs, to make the items can be
found and maintained easily.
It doen't talk about AOO UI presentation.

Sorry for misleading you with my unclear expression. : )

Regards,
Shan Zhu




2012/7/19 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com

 Shan Zhu,

 Could you point me to any documentation, or share any thoughts on the
 available styling options for our UI presentation (workspace and forms).
 I'm scoping a UI refresh and want to get a sense of what tailoring or
 customization is possible.

 Thoughts?

 Regards,
 Kevin



 On Monday, July 9, 2012, Shan Zhu wrote:

  Hi, all
 
  In VCLAuto, we define the UI controls used in our script in UIMap.java.
  Now, there is a long disordered list of UI controls, which will continue
 to
  grow up.
  For readability, I propose to group the definition of controls by Editor
  and dialogs.
 
  1. Put the definition of controls in same editor together, with a comment
  line at the front to declare the editor name.
  2. Put the definition of controls in same dialog together, with a comment
  line to declare the dialog name.
  It would be better that if the sequence of the definition for a
 dialog
  could  following the UI arrangement in dialog.
  For example,
  // Spreadsheet: Select Sheets dialog
  public static final VclDialog SCSelectSheetsDlg =
  dialog(.uno:SelectTables);
  ...
  // Spreasheet: Sort dialog
  ...
  Moreover,  suggest to add definition for other controls in one dialog,
 even
  you've used few of them in your script writing.
  And, a basic rule for variable name definition is needed, if necessary.
 
  Regards,
  Shan Zhu

Re: more 3.4.1 questions...supported OSes

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi Maho;

 - Original Message -
 ...

 Hi, I can provide release builds to Apache community.
 and how I should proceed?


 I guess you could add links here:
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds


 Eventually we should use the buildbot, but I don't think we are ready for 
 that yet.


If something is in the release I would expect:

1) We have instructions for building it in the Building Guide

2) A user could download our source from SVN and build it according to
the Building Guide

Is this true of the BSD port?  If so we could include it in the
release, I think.  If not then maybe we add a ports link to the
www.openoffice.org/download page to point to off-site ports.  These
links could be updated as new BSD releases become available.


-Rob


 Pedro.

Re: [CODE][UX] Bugs 25945 Show/Hide Scroll Bar Tips on Writer

2012-07-19 Thread TJ Frazier


On 7/18/2012 11:19, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

snip


The current page number is displayed in this field of the status bar.
A double-click opens the Navigator, with which you can navigate in the
document. A right-click shows all bookmarks in the document. Click
a bookmark to position the text cursor at the bookmark location.


Ariel,

Thanks for the tip. I will be using this right-click option a lot, 
because the bookmark list here has the very useful property of being in 
document order. On the Navigator, they appear in alpha order. For a long 
list of bookmarks, alpha order may be useful, but for my lists (6 or 8 
marks), document order is much handier.


/tj/
(learning something every day ...)

Re: [Call FOR VOLUNTEER]Native Language Build Verification

2012-07-19 Thread Tsutomu Uchino

2012/7/18 Ji Yan yanji...@gmail.com:
 Hi all,

   Native language translation for AOO 3.4.1 has been checked in for few
 days. I want to verify those translation is enabled or not, but
 unfortunately I'm not linguist, cannot read most of them. To ensure all
 translations are placed correctly. I call for volunteer. Is anybody can
 verify following translation bug[1]?

Language list:
 Dutch
 Czech (cs)
 Finnish (fi)
 British English (en-GB)
 Japanese(Ja)
 Italian (it)
 Hungarian (hu)
 Spanish (es)
 Slovenian (sl)
 Khmer
 Chinese (zh-CN)


 [1]
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?f1=flagtypes.namelist_id=18984o1=substringquery_format=advancedv1=3.4.1_release_blocker%2Bproduct=l10nproduct=native-lang
 --


 Thanks  Best Regards, Yan Ji

Untranslated strings for JA on 3.4.0 seems now translated by i119387.
Thanks for merging translation files.

Regards
-Tsutomu

Re: [Draft] The Public Service Mission of OpenOffice

Hi Jürgen, *,

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 07:47:42AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 On 7/17/12 6:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
  I'd like to see if we can agree on a statement along these lines.  I
  think it is important that we show how our project aligns with
  Apache's overall mission, which the apache.org home page phrases as:
  provides support for the Apache community of open-source software
  projects, which provide software products for the public good.
  
  I think we do and always have been strongly aligned with this goal.
  But still, sometimes, we're questioned about our emphasis on
  distributing binaries, or seeking support for items related to
  distributing binaries.  In some ways we're the oddball at Apache,
  being the only prominent end-user facing project.  So I think it will
  help if we can express in clear terms how what we are doing is in fact
  for the public good, and our aims and achievements are at least as
  noble as what any other Apache project can claim.
 
 I totally agree and that is of course the most annoying point here at
 Apache for me. But that is another topic and not for this thread.

I guess it is because in Apache, so far, the idea was to provide
software for the public good in form of source, for others to build
their solutions upon. In OpenOffice's case, distributing binaries is
also for the public good, not only for the reason mentioned by Rob, but
mainly because OpenOffice provides a way to build your solution on top
of its binary distribution with extensions, without needing to compile
the source yourself, nor learn/modify a single line of code.

So it would be nice to have some numbers about extensions in Rob's paper
(of course, we can only measure extensions on the extension's site; this
will not include all the people builder their solutions in a commercial
way).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [Draft] The Public Service Mission of OpenOffice

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi Jürgen, *,

 On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 07:47:42AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 On 7/17/12 6:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
  I'd like to see if we can agree on a statement along these lines.  I
  think it is important that we show how our project aligns with
  Apache's overall mission, which the apache.org home page phrases as:
  provides support for the Apache community of open-source software
  projects, which provide software products for the public good.
 
  I think we do and always have been strongly aligned with this goal.
  But still, sometimes, we're questioned about our emphasis on
  distributing binaries, or seeking support for items related to
  distributing binaries.  In some ways we're the oddball at Apache,
  being the only prominent end-user facing project.  So I think it will
  help if we can express in clear terms how what we are doing is in fact
  for the public good, and our aims and achievements are at least as
  noble as what any other Apache project can claim.

 I totally agree and that is of course the most annoying point here at
 Apache for me. But that is another topic and not for this thread.

 I guess it is because in Apache, so far, the idea was to provide
 software for the public good in form of source, for others to build
 their solutions upon. In OpenOffice's case, distributing binaries is
 also for the public good, not only for the reason mentioned by Rob, but
 mainly because OpenOffice provides a way to build your solution on top
 of its binary distribution with extensions, without needing to compile
 the source yourself, nor learn/modify a single line of code.


This is a good point.  I remember reading, years ago, in a magazine
called Computer Languages (now defunct) about a survey they did of
corporate programmers, seeing what the most popular programming
language was.  This was 1992 or so.  The answer was not C, not COBOL,
but the 1-2-3 Macro language.   Today maybe such a survey would say
Javascript?

But the meaning is clear;:  there are more application developers than
system developers.  And more script developers than application
developers.  The closer you get to end user programming the larger
your audience is and the more people you are helping.  You could think
of the spreadsheet itself as support end-user programming.

 So it would be nice to have some numbers about extensions in Rob's paper
 (of course, we can only measure extensions on the extension's site; this
 will not include all the people builder their solutions in a commercial
 way).


 Regards
 --
 Ariel Constenla-Haile
 La Plata, Argentina

Re: [CODE][UX] Bugs 25945 Show/Hide Scroll Bar Tips on Writer

Hi Ricardo,

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:25:57PM +0200, RGB ES wrote:
 Not answering any particular mail, so top posting.
 
 I think there are two problems with the scroll tool tip:
 - the first one is that it shows on the mouse position 

The scroll bar tool tip that shows Page N/X doesn't appear on the
mouse position, but near the scroll bar; at least, it's what it does
here when scrolling with the mouse wheel. Can you attach a screen shot
on the bug?

 and usually when you scroll you have the mouse pointer on top of the
 document so the tool tip is there too, hiding the text you are
 scanning 
 - the second one is that it do not wraps, showing on one line
 and crossing on top of your document even if the mouse pointer is
 outside the text area
 
 The second problem is is part of a general problem with tool tips: for
 example, when you put the mouse pointer over a footnote anchor the
 footnote content also shows on only one line, which is sub optimal
 when you have long footnotes. If you activate extended tool tip the
 footnote content tip wraps and then if more useful, but extended tool
 tips seems to not affect the scroll tool tip.

May be for kind of content, the help balloon should always wrap the text
in multiple lines, without the need to turn extended tips on.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [CODE][UX] Bugs 25945 Show/Hide Scroll Bar Tips on Writer

Hi TJ,

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 08:33:50AM -0400, TJ Frazier wrote:
 On 7/18/2012 11:19, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
 
 snip
 
 The current page number is displayed in this field of the status bar.
 A double-click opens the Navigator, with which you can navigate in the
 document. A right-click shows all bookmarks in the document. Click
 a bookmark to position the text cursor at the bookmark location.
 
 Ariel,
 
 Thanks for the tip. I will be using this right-click option a lot,
 because the bookmark list here has the very useful property of being
 in document order. On the Navigator, they appear in alpha order. 

This may be worth a request for enhancement in bugzilla (allow to sort
the content in the Navigator alphabetically or by content position in
the document).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: OO 3.4 CRASHES

Hi Ricardo,

Terry is not subscribed to the list. I forward your message.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:35:36PM +0200, RGB ES wrote:
 2012/7/18 Terry Crook terrycr...@earthlink.net:
  Please advise how to download OO 3.3!
  _OO 3.4 CRASHES every time_ I open it  will recover BUT now will NOT accept
  changes to my entries.
  I want to return to OO 3.3 which worked very well for years!
  There is _NOTHING_ on this in your Open Office Support items.
 
  Terry Crook
  terrycr...@earthlink.net or tcr...@realtor.com
 
 Sorry to ear you have problems with 3.4
 
 Did you try to reset your user profile? See here for more detail
 
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426
 
 For me AOO 3.4 is rock solid but some users had troubles with the
 upgrade: a new user profile may fix all your issues. If you still want
 the 3.3 version you can obtain it here
 
 http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/
 
 under stable or localized (if you need it on a language different
 from English) directories. If you have any problem, don't doubt to use
 our forums:
 
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/
 
 Regards

-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: need to develop a extension for open office on mac

Hi all,

RaghuVaran is not subscribed to the list, so he missed your answers. I'm
CCing him now.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:33:30AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
On 7/19/12 9:51 AM, Zhe Liu wrote:
Hi RaghuVaran,
The guide may help you.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/OpenOffice.org_Developers_Guide
Read the chapter Extensions.

we have also NetBeans plugin that helps a lot to do the initial steps
and setup an extension project.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice_NetBeans_Integration

If you want support menu entries and/or toolbars it becomes quite easy
to start and focus on the more important core work around your web
services ...

You can probably do the same with Eclipse and a little bit more manual
work. Check the SDK and the codeskeletonmaker that can be used to create
some initial skeletons where you can start with.

Feel free to ask here on the list...

By the way I am looking for a volunteer who is interested to work on an
Eclipse plugin similar to the plugin we already have for NetBeans. I
would be at least be available as a kind of mentor for such a project
and probably won't have time for more.

It was expected, with IBM here ;) But why reinvent the wheel and not
working with Cédric's plugin, forking it or seeing if he is willing to
make a solution that works for both AOO and LO? The license might be an
impediment to host it here at Apache, I don't know, I could find any
license info at
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/ooeclipse/

The NB plugin also has some remaining bugs, it would be nice someone
volunteering in this case too.

Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

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Re: need to develop a extension for open office on mac

On 7/19/12 3:36 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
Hi all,

RaghuVaran is not subscribed to the list, so he missed your answers. I'm
CCing him now.

we have also NetBeans plugin that helps a lot to do the initial steps
and setup an extension project.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice_NetBeans_Integration

If you want support menu entries and/or toolbars it becomes quite easy
to start and focus on the more important core work around your web
services ...

You can probably do the same with Eclipse and a little bit more manual
work. Check the SDK and the codeskeletonmaker that can be used to create
some initial skeletons where you can start with.

Feel free to ask here on the list...

I haven't tried the plugin for a longer time and don't know the current
state. But I am open for everything. I am simply want to improve the
number of usable development tools.

The NB plugin also has some remaining bugs, it would be nice someone
volunteering in this case too.

I agree, it would be nice to have them fixed

Juergen

[API] @since tag in IDL files

Hi there,

with the product name change, I guess new API specification should use
the new product name in the @since tag (unless the idea is to modify all
@since tags - I prefer leaving @since OOo as it is). I added support for

@since AOO major.minor[.micro]
@since Apache OpenOffice major.minor[.micro]

and backwards compatible

@since OOo major.minor[.micro]
@since OpenOffice.org  major.minor[.micro]

We should agree on using only one of:

@since AOO major.minor[.micro]
@since Apache OpenOffice major.minor[.micro]

I'm inclined to the second one, the full name.

Also if you find a better way to implement this than the one on
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120302 let me now before
I commit the code (I'm not familiar with autodoc ;) though in the end
it's just C++).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [QA AUTOMATION][Proposal]Suggest to group definition of UI Controls in UIMap.java.

2012-07-19 Thread Kevin Grignon

KG01 - See comments inline.

On Thursday, July 19, 2012, Shan Zhu wrote:

 Hi, Kevin

 The definition UI controls I mentioned is just about the code orgnization
 in VCLAuto Tools.
 I want to define VCL controls in the same sequence as that on application
 UI, and organize them by applications and dialogs, to make the items can be
 found and maintained easily.
 It doen't talk about AOO UI presentation.

 Sorry for misleading you with my unclear expression. : )


KG01 - Actually, I did understood your original thread to be focused on
code organization. I thought you may be familiar with the presentation as
well. Can you point me to any UI docs or refer another developer who is
familiar with the UI presentation code?


 Regards,
 Shan Zhu




 2012/7/19 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com javascript:;

  Shan Zhu,
 
  Could you point me to any documentation, or share any thoughts on the
  available styling options for our UI presentation (workspace and forms).
  I'm scoping a UI refresh and want to get a sense of what tailoring or
  customization is possible.
 
  Thoughts?
 
  Regards,
  Kevin
 
 
 
  On Monday, July 9, 2012, Shan Zhu wrote:
 
   Hi, all
  
   In VCLAuto, we define the UI controls used in our script in UIMap.java.
   Now, there is a long disordered list of UI controls, which will
 continue
  to
   grow up.
   For readability, I propose to group the definition of controls by
 Editor
   and dialogs.
  
   1. Put the definition of controls in same editor together, with a
 comment
   line at the front to declare the editor name.
   2. Put the definition of controls in same dialog together, with a
 comment
   line to declare the dialog name.
   It would be better that if the sequence of the definition for a
  dialog
   could  following the UI arrangement in dialog.
   For example,
   // Spreadsheet: Select Sheets dialog
   public static final VclDialog SCSelectSheetsDlg =
   dialog(.uno:SelectTables);
   ...
   // Spreasheet: Sort dialog
   ...
   Moreover,  suggest to add definition for other controls in one dialog,
  even
   you've used few of them in your script writing.
   And, a basic rule for variable name definition is needed, if necessary.
  
   Regards,
   Shan Zhu

Re: [API] @since tag in IDL files

On 7/19/12 4:12 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 with the product name change, I guess new API specification should use
 the new product name in the @since tag (unless the idea is to modify all
 @since tags - I prefer leaving @since OOo as it is). I added support for
 
 @since AOO major.minor[.micro]
 @since Apache OpenOffice major.minor[.micro]
 
 and backwards compatible
 
 @since OOo major.minor[.micro]
 @since OpenOffice.org  major.minor[.micro]
 
 We should agree on using only one of:
 
 @since AOO major.minor[.micro]
 @since Apache OpenOffice major.minor[.micro]
 
 I'm inclined to the second one, the full name.

+1 for the full name

Juergen

 
 Also if you find a better way to implement this than the one on
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120302 let me now before
 I commit the code (I'm not familiar with autodoc ;) though in the end
 it's just C++).
 
 
 Regards

[UI] ColorPicker - entering hex color code

Hi there,

entering a color in the new color, with its hex code, has a rather
strange result. Try

- menu Tools -Options...
- on the Options dialog, select the on the tree OpenOffice.org
  - Colors
- select a color and press the Edit... button (side comment: the color
  picker should be available from the floating window that opens from
  the toolbar!)
- enter some color in the Hex # edit field, for example AA

If I enter AA, I would expect it to be #AA, that is, zeros added at
the left. 

AA - AA - RBG 0,0,170

but the color picker shows RGB 170,170,170

Enter only A

A - 0A - RGB 0,0,10

but the color picker shows RGB 160,160,160

Enter ABC

ABC - 000ABC - RGB o,10,188

the color picker shows 171,171,171

Which should be the expected behaviour?


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Should quickstarter be enabled or disabled by default?

2012-07-19 Thread Risto Jääskeläinen


19.07.2012 12:18, Jürgen Schmidt kirjoitti:

On 7/19/12 12:12 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Risto Jääskeläinen rjaas...@saunalahti.fi

wrote:
Hello!
Whole suite will be a bit lighter and a bit simpler without quickstarter.
  I feel it is needless, unnötig, tarpeeton.
So in mean time it should be disabled before it is removed from source
code.

Regards
Risto


Thanks for these interesting comments Risto...

Really, just from items that pop up this list, IMO, it does seem to cause
more harm than good.

I think a little bit more research would be helpful, a real performance
test etc.

Saying that the whole suite becomes a bit lighter is of course not what
I have in mind here ;-)

We had a problem that is fixed and the quickstarter provides more
features that people like. And people who don't like can already disable it.

I see no reason at the moment to change here anything because the
problem is fixed.

If we have problems with a feature let us fix it and not drop the
feature completely ;-)

But that is only my personal opinion

Juergen




lou ql [louqin...@gmail.com] kirjoitti:


Clean install:
1. Win7: quickstarter is disabled by default after a fresh install

2. Ubuntu 10.04: quickstarter is enabled by default after a fresh install

Upgrade: Enable quickstarter before upgrade

1. Win7, upgrade from OO3.3 to Aoo 3.4.1, quickstarter is still enabled
after upgrade

2. Win7, upgrade from Aoo 3.4 to Aoo 3.4.1, quickstarter is disabled after
upgrade

3. Ubuntu 10.04, upgrade from Aoo 3.4 to Aoo 3.4.1, quickstarter is still
enabled after upgrade
--
Regards,
Lou QingLe







Hello!
Supposing that quickstarter is working without any faults there is still 
a time stealing hiding in it. Those  users who use OpenOffice only once 
and while lost a bit their working time every day they start their 
computer and not use use OpenOffice at that session. It can happen even 
twice a day. This happens to many if it is default because users seldom 
change the settings.


So there must consider quickstarter per session, not only per starting 
of OpenOffice. Also must take account different types of users. I 
suppose quickstarter wastes time if it is count for all user totally.


Regards
Risto

Re: [Marketing][UX] Who wants to do a Content Experiment?

2012-07-19 Thread Kevin Grignon

KG01 - See comments inline

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Paolo Pozzan pa...@z2z.it wrote:
  Il 08/06/2012 15:54, Rob Weir ha scritto:
 
  A Content Experiment is when we create several version of the same
  web page and test it with users to see which version performs best.
  Google Analystics has a feature where it can run such experiments for
  us automatically, tracking all the statistics for us, and telling us
  which version of a page gives the optimal results.


KG01 - Iterative development like this is great. Check out a great resource
that performs such A/B testing.
See: https://whichtestwon.com/past-tests


 
  One particular scenario I think we could really improve on is what I
  call the Windows Unrecognized ODF File scenario.  It goes like this;
 
  [cut]
 
 
  So here is the experiment.  Let's try to get a handful of alternate
  destination pages that speak to this scenario and provide the
  information that would be most useful to this kind of user.  It could
  be a modified version of the download page.  It could be a new
  intermediate landing page that provides context and then links to the
  existing download page.  Whatever you think would work best.
 
  We can then run the experiment, say for a month,  letting Google
  randomly present users with the various alternate pages and measure
  what the download %'s are for each version.  The winner will gain
  eternal fame and glory, maybe even a blog post.
 
  I'm willing to do the technical work on setting up the experiment and
  prepping the website to support it.  What I need are volunteers to
  come up with alternate landing pages for this scenario, ones that we
  can include in the experiment.
 
 
  Do you also have statistics of where in the world this referrals come
 from?

 I can tell you that the top countries for this referral are:

 1. US
 2. Poland
 3. Russia
 4. Brazil
 5. India
 6. France
 7. UK
 8. Philippines
 9. Indonesia
 10. Canada

 So this is quite different from what the normal distribution if visitors
 is.

  It will surely help users to have that page in his/her own language and I
  think it wouldn't be difficult to set this up with what we already have.
  You talked about IE6 but from what I can see here [1] english speaking
  countries are not on the top list.
 

 Interesting.  I checked the top Windows version for this page and they are:

 1) XP
 2) 7
 3) Vista

 So that is not what we see with general downloads.  In general Windows
 7 leads, but in this scenario Windows XP is almost twice as popular.

  About other kind of pages to Content Experiment them, do you need an
 HTML, a
  mock-up, just the basic concepts or what? I can work on creating some
  alternatives.
 

 I'd need something that we can put on the website.  So HTML (or
 Mdtext) is ideal.  But even if you can mock something up in an email
 or on the wiki, I can help convert that to a webpage.

  Paolo
 
  [1] http://www.ie6countdown.com/

Re: [UI] ColorPicker - entering hex color code

2012-07-19 Thread Andre Fischer


On 19.07.2012 16:43, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hi there,

entering a color in the new color, with its hex code, has a rather
strange result. Try

- menu Tools -Options...
- on the Options dialog, select the on the tree OpenOffice.org
   - Colors
- select a color and press the Edit... button (side comment: the color
   picker should be available from the floating window that opens from
   the toolbar!)
- enter some color in the Hex # edit field, for example AA

If I enter AA, I would expect it to be #AA, that is, zeros added at
the left.

AA - AA - RBG 0,0,170

but the color picker shows RGB 170,170,170


AA - AA

seems to me more natural then than AA - AA or AA - AA (or AA 
- 00AA00)




Enter only A

A - 0A - RGB 0,0,10

but the color picker shows RGB 160,160,160


this is unexpected.  Following the previous case I would have expected
A - 0A0A0A



Enter ABC

ABC - 000ABC - RGB o,10,188

the color picker shows 171,171,171


urgh, I would expect an error message here

-Andre



Which should be the expected behaviour?


Regards

[HELP] compiling source in VSC++

2012-07-19 Thread Nazmul Alam

Can anybody give some direction on compiling source on VSC++ ?
I know it can be done in cygwin. But I would like to try the native build.
Also This would help a lot in my development engagement.

I tried to perform the build incrementally by following Makefile. But it
seems it invokes python build script or application to build the whole
application. I don't know anything about python. Can anyone give me some
idea on building the AOO in incremental steps?

thanks,

-- 
with best regards,
   Nazmul Alam Shovon

*শুভেচ্ছান্তে,
   নাজমুল আলম শোভন*

email : fadedre...@gmail.com
blog : http://yourdigitaleffects.blogspot.com

Re: [Marketing][UX] Who wants to do a Content Experiment?

2012-07-19 Thread Donald Whytock

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 And if anyone is interested, a clue as to why these particular
 visitors are downloading AOO less might be gleamed by loading our
 download page on an older version of I.E.   Remember, to get this
 dialog in Windows, one must be running an older machine that does not
 understand ODF, so pre-Windows 7, and pre-Office 2007 SP2.

Perhaps there's a significant percentage of non-ODF-savvy people who
receive ODF files that don't want to edit it as much as see it.  AOO
is a pretty heavyweight download.  Does there exist the ODF equivalent
of Adobe Reader, some lightweight utility that can just display
contents?

I know this doesn't necessarily address the content experiment
question, but it could be the nature/tone/format of the content isn't
the issue.

Don

Re: [UI] ColorPicker - entering hex color code

2012-07-19 Thread Kevin Grignon

KG01 - See comments inline. 

On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote:

 On 19.07.2012 16:43, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 entering a color in the new color, with its hex code, has a rather
 strange result. Try
 
 - menu Tools -Options...
 - on the Options dialog, select the on the tree OpenOffice.org
   - Colors
 - select a color and press the Edit... button (side comment: the color
   picker should be available from the floating window that opens from
   the toolbar!)
 - enter some color in the Hex # edit field, for example AA
 
 If I enter AA, I would expect it to be #AA, that is, zeros added at
 the left.
 
 AA - AA - RBG 0,0,170
 
 but the color picker shows RGB 170,170,170
 
 AA - AA
 
 seems to me more natural then than AA - AA or AA - AA (or AA - 
 00AA00)
 
KG01 - These examples, along with the behavior expectations may make sense to a 
developer, however in 15 yrs of digital design, I've never assumed a tool would 
resolve my hex input. 

I suspect we all agree that the colour picker UX needs work, I'm not sure this 
fix would address the core issues. 

Regardless, from a UX perspective, the tool should prevent users from having to 
refine or correct autocomplete. Furthermore, if a specific syntax is required, 
then the input field and supporting instructional text and examples should make 
the expected syntax obvious. 


 
 Enter only A
 
 A - 0A - RGB 0,0,10
 
 but the color picker shows RGB 160,160,160
 
 this is unexpected.  Following the previous case I would have expected
 A - 0A0A0A
 
 
 Enter ABC
 
 ABC - 000ABC - RGB o,10,188
 
 the color picker shows 171,171,171
 
 urgh, I would expect an error message here
 
KG01 - error prevention is better than error recovery


 -Andre
 
 
 Which should be the expected behaviour?
 
 
 Regards

Re: [UI] ColorPicker - entering hex color code

Hi Andre, *

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 05:33:35PM +0200, Andre Fischer wrote:
 On 19.07.2012 16:43, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 entering a color in the new color, with its hex code, has a rather
 strange result. Try
 
 - menu Tools -Options...
 - on the Options dialog, select the on the tree OpenOffice.org
- Colors
 - select a color and press the Edit... button (side comment: the color
picker should be available from the floating window that opens from
the toolbar!)
 - enter some color in the Hex # edit field, for example AA
 
 If I enter AA, I would expect it to be #AA, that is, zeros added at
 the left.
 
 AA - AA - RBG 0,0,170
 
 but the color picker shows RGB 170,170,170
 
 AA - AA
 
 seems to me more natural then than AA - AA or AA - AA (or
 AA - 00AA00)
 
 
 Enter only A
 
 A - 0A - RGB 0,0,10
 
 but the color picker shows RGB 160,160,160
 
 this is unexpected.  Following the previous case I would have expected
 A - 0A0A0A
 
 
 Enter ABC
 
 ABC - 000ABC - RGB o,10,188
 
 the color picker shows 171,171,171
 
 urgh, I would expect an error message here

looking at other applications I have at hand:

- KDE color picker: only accepts 3 and 6 hex digits as valid, other
  values are ignored (no warning/error box).
  * AA - not accepted, no error/warning
  * aaa - RGB 170, 170, 170
It means aaa - AA
  * abc - RGB 170, 187, 204
It means abc - AABBCC
  * 123 - 112233
  * 1234 - ignored
  * yjr - no error nor warning

- Gnome2 color picker: only accepts 3 and 6 hex digits as valid, other
  values are ignored (no warning/error box)
  * AA - ignored
  * aaa - AA
  * abc - AABBCC
  * 123 - 112233
  * 012 - 001122
  * 1234 - ignored 
  * yjr - ignored
  * 1234567 - ignored


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [UI] ColorPicker - entering hex color code

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:17:37AM +0800, Kevin Grignon wrote:
 KG01 - These examples, along with the behavior expectations may make
 sense to a developer, however in 15 yrs of digital design, I've never
 assumed a tool would resolve my hex input. 
 
 I suspect we all agree that the colour picker UX needs work, I'm not
 sure this fix would address the core issues. 
 
 Regardless, from a UX perspective, the tool should prevent users from
 having to refine or correct autocomplete. Furthermore, if a specific
 syntax is required, then the input field and supporting instructional
 text and examples should make the expected syntax obvious. 

The problem is: what is the expected behaviour? I didn't get an idea
from the hex numbers I tried, and the documentation is missing/broken
(another issue: F1 doesn't display the respective help page, and AFAIK
the help wasn't updated).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: more 3.4.1 questions...supported OSes




On 07/19/2012 04:26 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:

Hi Maho;

- Original Message -
...


Hi, I can provide release builds to Apache community.
and how I should proceed?



I guess you could add links here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds


Eventually we should use the buildbot, but I don't think we are ready for that 
yet.


Pedro, using the buildbot is NOT a requirement for offical releases as 
fr as I know.






If something is in the release I would expect:

1) We have instructions for building it in the Building Guide

2) A user could download our source from SVN and build it according to
the Building Guide


ah...OK



Is this true of the BSD port?  If so we could include it in the
release, I think.  If not then maybe we add a ports link to the
www.openoffice.org/download page to point to off-site ports.  These
links could be updated as new BSD releases become available.


-Rob


Well at any rate, we should include it in the Release Notes...





Pedro.


--

MzK

There's no crying in baseball!
   -- Jimmy Dugan (Tom Hanks), A League of Their Own

Re: more 3.4.1 questions...supported OSes




On 07/19/2012 01:28 AM, Yuri Dario wrote:

Hi Kay,


Will ee providing an official FreeBSD and OS/2 release for 3.4.1?


OS/2 builds are currently done on trunk, since 3.4.x branch does not
have the required fixes. I'm posting dev builds on Apache cwiki page.




Yuri -- great! I actually haven't look at the cwiki page in a while, so 
thanks for the update.


--

MzK

There's no crying in baseball!
   -- Jimmy Dugan (Tom Hanks), A League of Their Own

Re: [UI] ColorPicker - entering hex color code

2012-07-19 Thread Andrea Pescetti


Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

If I enter AA, I would expect it to be #AA, that is, zeros added at
the left.
AA -  AA -  RBG 0,0,170
but the color picker shows RGB 170,170,170  ...
Which should be the expected behaviour?


What I would expect is:

ABC - AABBCC

This is the (unnatural for programmers, but popular) CSS shorthand 
hexadecimal notation used in web pages.


And with fewer than three digits, convert to grayscale:

AB - ABABAB

A - 0A - 0A0A0A

With 4-5 digits, return an error.

But like your following examples show, this is highly subjective (even 
though the three-digit pattern seems rather consistent).


I think the proposal above makes sense because people used to handle 
hexadecimal color values are likely to use one hex value to mean a shade 
of grey or three hex digits for the shorthand hex notation.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [UI] ColorPicker - entering hex color code

Hi Andrea,

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 06:36:14PM +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 What I would expect is:
 
 ABC - AABBCC
 
 This is the (unnatural for programmers, but popular) CSS shorthand
 hexadecimal notation used in web pages.
 
 And with fewer than three digits, convert to grayscale:
 
 AB - ABABAB
 
 A - 0A - 0A0A0A
 
 With 4-5 digits, return an error.
 
 But like your following examples show, this is highly subjective
 (even though the three-digit pattern seems rather consistent).
 
 I think the proposal above makes sense because people used to handle
 hexadecimal color values are likely to use one hex value to mean a
 shade of grey or three hex digits for the shorthand hex notation.

After trying Gimp, KColorChooser and GColor2, the common behaviour is:

- only accept 3 and 6 hex digits
- 3 digits are interpreted as you propose:
  012 - 001122
  123 - 112233
- other number of digits (or invalid input, like yrj) is ignored, being
  Gimp the only one that resets the field to the previous valid value.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Should quickstarter be enabled or disabled by default?

2012-07-19 Thread Andrea Pescetti


Risto Jääskeläinen wrote:

Supposing that quickstarter is working without any faults there is still
a time stealing hiding in it. Those users who use OpenOffice only once
and while lost a bit their working time every day they start their
computer and not use use OpenOffice at that session.


Yes, but what we should focus on is how easy it is for affected users to 
change behavior. And here having Quickstarter enabled by default shows a 
clear benefit.


Users who have Quickstarter enabled and wish to disable it must simply 
right-click on the icon and uncheck Load during system start-up. Very 
clear and easy. This is probably what saved us from thousands of reports 
of https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119102 : for once, 
users were able to figure out how to workaround a bug themselves (of 
course, disabling Quickstarter was just a workaround, but it worked).


Users who have Quickstarter disabled and wish to enable it must: know or 
imagine that it exists, open the Options, find it in the jungle of 
options (under Memory, by the way)...


Since it is much simpler to disable than enable, and since most clueless 
users will benefit from having it enabled by default, I'd definitely 
keep it enabled. Especially now that the related bug is fixed.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [UI] ColorPicker - entering hex color code

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.org wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:17:37AM +0800, Kevin Grignon wrote:
 KG01 - These examples, along with the behavior expectations may make
 sense to a developer, however in 15 yrs of digital design, I've never
 assumed a tool would resolve my hex input.

 I suspect we all agree that the colour picker UX needs work, I'm not
 sure this fix would address the core issues.

 Regardless, from a UX perspective, the tool should prevent users from
 having to refine or correct autocomplete. Furthermore, if a specific
 syntax is required, then the input field and supporting instructional
 text and examples should make the expected syntax obvious.

 The problem is: what is the expected behaviour? I didn't get an idea
 from the hex numbers I tried, and the documentation is missing/broken
 (another issue: F1 doesn't display the respective help page, and AFAIK
 the help wasn't updated).



It depends on what we mean by expected.   I suspect the typical user
does not touch hexadecimal.  Programmers who are not web developers
probably expect this to be treated like a number, i.e., they are
entering the three least significant digits and it will be padded with
zeros to the left.  Some users, those who are web developers, might
know (but it is not guaranteed) that CSS3 defines what this means:

The format of an RGB value in hexadecimal notation is a ‘#’
immediately followed by either three or six hexadecimal characters.
The three-digit RGB notation (#rgb) is converted into six-digit form
(#rrggbb) by replicating digits, not by adding zeros. For example,
#fb0 expands to #ffbb00. This ensures that white (#ff) can be
specified with the short notation (#fff) and removes any dependencies
on the color depth of the display.

See:   http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/#rgb-color

Regards,

-Rob



 Regards
 --
 Ariel Constenla-Haile
 La Plata, Argentina

Re: [UI] ColorPicker - entering hex color code

2012-07-19 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi Ariel,

Ariel Constenla-Haile schrieb:

Hi there,

entering a color in the new color, with its hex code, has a rather
strange result. Try

- menu Tools -Options...
- on the Options dialog, select the on the tree OpenOffice.org
   - Colors
- select a color and press the Edit... button (side comment: the color
   picker should be available from the floating window that opens from
   the toolbar!)
- enter some color in the Hex # edit field, for example AA

If I enter AA, I would expect it to be #AA, that is, zeros added at
the left.

AA - AA - RBG 0,0,170

but the color picker shows RGB 170,170,170

Enter only A

A - 0A - RGB 0,0,10

but the color picker shows RGB 160,160,160

Enter ABC

ABC - 000ABC - RGB o,10,188

the color picker shows 171,171,171

Which should be the expected behaviour?


That part of the dialog is broken. Even if you enter a 6 digit value, 
you do not get that color.


I expect, that if you enter a value, which would be valid in three 
digit hex or in six digit hex syntax 
[http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGColor12/], then this color is set. Non valid 
entries should be indicated in the appearance of the field.


But I'm not sure, whether this field is intended to be an input field. 
It might be, that only viewing the actual hex values was intended. The 
old dialog, has no such field.


Kind regards
Regina

Crazy idea of the day: Guest Blog Posts

So far we've used our blog as a project blog, with an editorial voice
that one could call the voice of the project.  We use it for
official announcements, updates, etc.  This is perfectly fine, and we
can keep it that way.  But the volume of posts is rather low.

I've tried to supplement it by interviews of others in the project or
the broader ecosystem.  But even though everyone thought this was a
great idea, I seem to be the only one doing this.

So, another idea is to allow guest posts from others in the ecosystem,
project members, users, consultants, extension authors, etc.

We could set some parameters to prevent problems.  For example, we
could accept drafts to the mailing list and a volunteer Editor would
help edit the posts to our standards.  The PMC would maintain
editorial control via normal means (reviewing posts before they go
live).  We would require the post be relevant to the project, helpful
to users in their use of OpenOffice, and not be entirely a commercial
product pitch.  For example, we could limit posts to one link back to
the author's (or company's) homepage or product page.

What do you think?  If we allowed this, would we get more blog
submissions?  Would it help the overall ecosystem?

-Rob

Re: more 3.4.1 questions...supported OSes

2012-07-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni

Hi Rob;


If something is in the release I would expect:

1) We have instructions for building it in the Building Guide

2) A user could download our source from SVN and build it according to
the Building Guide

Is this true of the BSD port?  If so we could include it in the
release, I think.  If not then maybe we add a ports link to the
www.openoffice.org/download page to point to off-site ports.  These
links could be updated as new BSD releases become available.


Except for some minor patches, available here:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/ 


the instructions for building on linux apply to FreeBSD too.

The port is under control and very stable but we have deferred declaring
it official until we find clean ways to fix the remaining patches.

Pedro.

Re: [CODE][UX] Bugs 25945 Show/Hide Scroll Bar Tips on Writer

2012/7/19 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org:
 Hi Ricardo,

 On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:25:57PM +0200, RGB ES wrote:
 Not answering any particular mail, so top posting.

 I think there are two problems with the scroll tool tip:
 - the first one is that it shows on the mouse position

 The scroll bar tool tip that shows Page N/X doesn't appear on the
 mouse position, but near the scroll bar; at least, it's what it does
 here when scrolling with the mouse wheel. Can you attach a screen shot
 on the bug?

I made some tests: most of the time the tool tip shows near the scroll
bar, but sometimes it shows on mouse pointer position. Not sure what
triggers the change of behavior but it seems to be related with the
pointer position. I'll post a screen shot on the issue.


 and usually when you scroll you have the mouse pointer on top of the
 document so the tool tip is there too, hiding the text you are
 scanning
 - the second one is that it do not wraps, showing on one line
 and crossing on top of your document even if the mouse pointer is
 outside the text area

 The second problem is is part of a general problem with tool tips: for
 example, when you put the mouse pointer over a footnote anchor the
 footnote content also shows on only one line, which is sub optimal
 when you have long footnotes. If you activate extended tool tip the
 footnote content tip wraps and then if more useful, but extended tool
 tips seems to not affect the scroll tool tip.

 May be for kind of content, the help balloon should always wrap the text
 in multiple lines, without the need to turn extended tips on.

+1

Regards
Ricardo


 Regards
 --
 Ariel Constenla-Haile
 La Plata, Argentina

Re: more 3.4.1 questions...supported OSes

2012-07-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni

Hi Kay;


- Original Message -
...
 
  Eventually we should use the buildbot, but I don't think we are 
 ready for that yet.
 
 Pedro, using the buildbot is NOT a requirement for offical releases 
 as far as I know.
 


I am aware.. the idea would be to make it easier to detect when someone
does a BSD-unfriendly change ;-).

Pedro.

Re: more 3.4.1 questions...supported OSes

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi Rob;


If something is in the release I would expect:

1) We have instructions for building it in the Building Guide

2) A user could download our source from SVN and build it according to
the Building Guide

Is this true of the BSD port?  If so we could include it in the
release, I think.  If not then maybe we add a ports link to the
www.openoffice.org/download page to point to off-site ports.  These
links could be updated as new BSD releases become available.


 Except for some minor patches, available here:
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/


 the instructions for building on linux apply to FreeBSD too.

 The port is under control and very stable but we have deferred declaring
 it official until we find clean ways to fix the remaining patches.


But I think there is a distinction between an official BSD release
and an official Apache release.  An Apache one is one that the PMC
votes on.

So we can sync on schedules and co-promote the port as part of our
release announcement, etc.  Is that what you want to do?  That is
easy.

But calling it an official Apache release, distributing via the
mirrors, that might require more work.  For example, the BSD specific
patches would need to be run through the RAT scans.  We'd need to
figure out if they are considered 3rd party code and added to LICENSE
file, etc.  Not impossible, but not something we can ignore.

 Pedro.

Re: more 3.4.1 questions...supported OSes

2012-07-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni

- Original Message -

...
 
  Except for some minor patches, available here:
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/
 
 
  the instructions for building on linux apply to FreeBSD too.
 
  The port is under control and very stable but we have deferred declaring
  it official until we find clean ways to fix the remaining patches.
 
 
 But I think there is a distinction between an official BSD release
 and an official Apache release.  An Apache one is one that the PMC
 votes on.
 

FreeBSD only releases Operating Systems, we don't release office suites.
The ports tree does bundle third party software including two AOO
versions:

Apache OpenOffice 3.4
Apache OpenOffice-devel-3.4.1356713

but FreeBSD releases have their own schedule that doesn't depend
on specific ports.

 So we can sync on schedules and co-promote the port as part of our
 release announcement, etc.  Is that what you want to do?  That is
 easy.
 

I doubt that is possible as our release schedule is somewhat complex:
the OS is currently under code freeze but the ports tree is open. We will
try to push AOO-3.4.1 into FreeBSD-9.1 Release (expected for August)

 But calling it an official Apache release, distributing via the
 mirrors, that might require more work.  For example, the BSD specific
 patches would need to be run through the RAT scans.  We'd need to
 figure out if they are considered 3rd party code and added to LICENSE
 file, etc.  Not impossible, but not something we can ignore.
 

I doubt the patches can even be considered copyrightable (they are just
build fixes) but they were authored by maho@ or me and are available
under the upsteam license (ALv2 in this case) or BSD 2-clause at
your choice.

Pedro.

Re: [DISCUSS][IDEA][FUNCTIONALITY] named constant

2012-07-19 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi,

Nazmul Alam schrieb:

Hello everybody,
I am new to ooo-dev list. I am looking forward to contribute towards AOO.

I like to discuss an idea regarding text input functionality. I don't know
if this already exists or not because I used OO a long time ago.

[IDEA]
User can register several named constant in AOO, for example -
DocumentTitle = An introduction to XYZZY, and then use this named
constant in the document to quickly insert the string literal multiple
times. Now suppose for some reason he/she has to change the Document title
to An introduction to AOO in the document. Instead of performing
Search+Replace, he can rename the named constant which will reflect the
change in the document. Grouping and formatting can be add to increase more
possibility.

[Benefits]
- ux improvement

[Risk]
- additional learning for user
- personal preference


Such a feature already exists. You can use a so called Field.

There exist some predefined fields, which you can fill in File  
Properties. You insert them via Insert  Fields.


You can use additional predefined fields via Insert  Fields  Other.

You can create and use your own field via Insert  Fields  Other  
Variables  'User field'. And later on you can edit the content in Edit 
 Fields in addition.


If the way through the menu and sub-menu is to long for you, you can 
record a macro for inserting the field and assign this macro to a 
shortcut key or button.




Let me know your valuable thoughts.
Sorry for the English.



That is no problem :) Most of us are not native English speaker.

Kind regards
Regina

Re: [DISCUSS][IDEA][FUNCTIONALITY] named constant

2012/7/19 Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de:

 Such a feature already exists. You can use a so called Field.

 There exist some predefined fields, which you can fill in File  Properties.
 You insert them via Insert  Fields.

 You can use additional predefined fields via Insert  Fields  Other.

 You can create and use your own field via Insert  Fields  Other 
 Variables  'User field'. And later on you can edit the content in Edit 
 Fields in addition.

 If the way through the menu and sub-menu is to long for you, you can record
 a macro for inserting the field and assign this macro to a shortcut key or
 button.

You can also add a button to a toolbar that opens the Fields → Other
dialogue: edit a toolbar on Tools → Customize → Toolbars, click on Add
→ under Category select Insert and under Command select Other. You
can also assign a keyboard shortcut to this menu on Tools → Customize
→ Keyboard tab (by default, Ctrl+F2 is assigned to this function but
this do not work on Linux: that's the usual system shortcut to go to
your second desktop...)

Regards
Ricardo




 Let me know your valuable thoughts.
 Sorry for the English.


 That is no problem :) Most of us are not native English speaker.

 Kind regards
 Regina

Re: more 3.4.1 questions...supported OSes

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Yuri Dario mc6...@mclink.it wrote:

 Hi Kay,

  Will ee providing an official FreeBSD and OS/2 release for 3.4.1?

 OS/2 builds are currently done on trunk, since 3.4.x branch does not
 have the required fixes. I'm posting dev builds on Apache cwiki page.



Hi again, Yuri...

Can you tell me where your dev build is posted? I don't see anything on:


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO3.4.1

though there is a slot for it.

Thanks.

--
 Bye,

 Yuri Dario

 /*
  * OS/2 open source software
  * http://web.os2power.com/yuri
  * http://www.netlabs.org
 */





-- 

MzK

I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
 than a horse that will not fare.
  -- Portuguese proverb

Re: more 3.4.1 questions...supported OSes

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, more from me on the upcoming release.

 Will ee providing an official FreeBSD and OS/2 release for 3.4.1?

 We had discussed this a bit in the past, but I haven't seen anything
 recently.

 --

 
 MzK

 I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
  than a horse that will not fare.
   -- Portuguese proverb


OK, more on this...here's the dev snapshot page from the cwiki --

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO3.4.1

we have slots for 2 Solaris builds and OS/2.

I just did a follow-up with Yuri about OS/2.

Do we know anything about the Solaris builds?





-- 

MzK

I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
 than a horse that will not fare.
  -- Portuguese proverb

Re: Crazy idea of the day: Guest Blog Posts

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 So far we've used our blog as a project blog, with an editorial voice
 that one could call the voice of the project.  We use it for
 official announcements, updates, etc.  This is perfectly fine, and we
 can keep it that way.  But the volume of posts is rather low.

 I've tried to supplement it by interviews of others in the project or
 the broader ecosystem.  But even though everyone thought this was a
 great idea, I seem to be the only one doing this.

 So, another idea is to allow guest posts from others in the ecosystem,
 project members, users, consultants, extension authors, etc.

 We could set some parameters to prevent problems.  For example, we
 could accept drafts to the mailing list and a volunteer Editor would
 help edit the posts to our standards.  The PMC would maintain
 editorial control via normal means (reviewing posts before they go
 live).  We would require the post be relevant to the project, helpful
 to users in their use of OpenOffice, and not be entirely a commercial
 product pitch.  For example, we could limit posts to one link back to
 the author's (or company's) homepage or product page.

 What do you think?  If we allowed this, would we get more blog
 submissions?  Would it help the overall ecosystem?

 -Rob


I like this idea...I'm not sure how to solicit input -- announcement list?
users list?, but it sounds good. I, personally, am not a blogger and do not
care to be interviewed. But, we may find some user fans who would like
nothing better to say a few things.


-- 

MzK

I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
 than a horse that will not fare.
  -- Portuguese proverb

Re: [HELP] compiling source in VSC++

2012-07-19 Thread Chao Huang

hi, Nazmul

Could you privode more info about VSC++?
Which OS are you working on?
How to get/configure VSC++?

It's easy for you to make a full guide with AOO's source code. Please
follow the build guide on [1]
Thanks!

[1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide


2012/7/19 Nazmul Alam fadedre...@gmail.com

 Can anybody give some direction on compiling source on VSC++ ?
 I know it can be done in cygwin. But I would like to try the native build.
 Also This would help a lot in my development engagement.

 I tried to perform the build incrementally by following Makefile. But it
 seems it invokes python build script or application to build the whole
 application. I don't know anything about python. Can anyone give me some
 idea on building the AOO in incremental steps?

 thanks,

 --
 with best regards,
Nazmul Alam Shovon

 *শুভেচ্ছান্তে,
নাজমুল আলম শোভন*

 email : fadedre...@gmail.com
 blog : http://yourdigitaleffects.blogspot.com




-- 
Best regards,
Chao Huang

Re: [HELP] compiling source in VSC++

2012-07-19 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Nazmul Alam fadedre...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can anybody give some direction on compiling source on VSC++ ?
 I know it can be done in cygwin. But I would like to try the native build.
 Also This would help a lot in my development engagement.

What do you mean by native build? The build process uses Cygwin, but
the created app does not NEED cygwin, it is built with MS VC++
according to
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_Windows

Of course, I would very much prefer AOO to use OpenWatcom (
http://www.openwatcom.com ) instead of Microsoft´s compiler, it would
also eliminate any MSVCRT* dependencies, but I admit that would
require some work :)

FC

-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
- George Orwell

Community over Code: Basics of Brand and Trademarks

2012-07-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton

Shane Curcuru made a presentation at OSCON today about Managing Community Open 
Source Brands.  The slides are much nicer than that title [;).  You can get 
them from this blog page: 
http://communityovercode.com/2012/07/oscon-presentation/. 

There is useful, direct material that can be applied to Apache OpenOffice and 
its branding.

 - Dennis

(No, I'm not at OSCON, but many ASF folk are posting to twitter as the events 
happen.)

Re: Community over Code: Basics of Brand and Trademarks

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
 Shane Curcuru made a presentation at OSCON today about Managing Community 
 Open Source Brands.  The slides are much nicer than that title [;).  You 
 can get them from this blog page: 
 http://communityovercode.com/2012/07/oscon-presentation/.

 There is useful, direct material that can be applied to Apache OpenOffice and 
 its branding.


I didn't see anything there that we're not already doing, or that is
not already part of Apache trademark guidelines.  Did you see
something in particular that warranted further attention?

-Rob

  - Dennis

 (No, I'm not at OSCON, but many ASF folk are posting to twitter as the events 
 happen.)

Re: Crazy idea of the day: Guest Blog Posts

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 So far we've used our blog as a project blog, with an editorial voice
 that one could call the voice of the project.  We use it for
 official announcements, updates, etc.  This is perfectly fine, and we
 can keep it that way.  But the volume of posts is rather low.

 I've tried to supplement it by interviews of others in the project or
 the broader ecosystem.  But even though everyone thought this was a
 great idea, I seem to be the only one doing this.

 So, another idea is to allow guest posts from others in the ecosystem,
 project members, users, consultants, extension authors, etc.

 We could set some parameters to prevent problems.  For example, we
 could accept drafts to the mailing list and a volunteer Editor would
 help edit the posts to our standards.  The PMC would maintain
 editorial control via normal means (reviewing posts before they go
 live).  We would require the post be relevant to the project, helpful
 to users in their use of OpenOffice, and not be entirely a commercial
 product pitch.  For example, we could limit posts to one link back to
 the author's (or company's) homepage or product page.

 What do you think?  If we allowed this, would we get more blog
 submissions?  Would it help the overall ecosystem?

 -Rob


 I like this idea...I'm not sure how to solicit input -- announcement list?
 users list?, but it sounds good. I, personally, am not a blogger and do not
 care to be interviewed. But, we may find some user fans who would like
 nothing better to say a few things.


If we wanted to do this, I think we could kick it off like this:

1) Write up some guidelines for authors, e.g., what kind of blog posts
are appropriate, etc.  I assume a post from IBM about new extensions
we have for AOO would be fine, but an IBM post claiming Symphony is
better than AOO and asking everyone to download Symphony would not be
OK.

2) A blog post inviting guest posts

3) Promote the blog post via the usual channels, twitter, Facebook,
Google+, maybe even ooo-announce or something on our home page.

I think it could work, but only if we have another 1 or 2 volunteer
editors who are willing to help edit and publish the posts.  I can't
do it all myself.

-Rob


 --
 
 MzK

 I would rather have a donkey that takes me there
  than a horse that will not fare.
   -- Portuguese proverb

Re: [UX] Review of MS Office 2013 UI